The Best Argument for Anglicanism
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2024
- The Via Media is often considered a confusing term. What does it mean and how can it be defended?
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Thanks for your amazing vids, man. Reformed Baptist here, been wanting to learn more about what Anglicans believe.
Thanks for making this video. I come from a low church, nondenominational christian background, and the theology of Anglicanism is new to me
I would say this used to be the best argument for Anglicanism 20 years ago when the Anglican Church still had uncommon global unity compared to other Protestant groups, but following the numerous splits within Anglicanism in the 21st century and the formation of gafcon in opposition to the Anglican communion can we still say that the via media “worked”?
That’s a great comment and I definitely see your point. Being an Anglican myself and holding the same values as we had 20 years ago it deeply grieves my soul to see our messed up denomination at this point in the world, playing out exactly as you described it. However I think it is not so much “Via media” that didn’t work, so much as the people stopped putting in the work for it. As in, they gave up on it. In favor of quick progress of splitting off and gaining more followers. I have seen it work first hand. Beautifully and wonderfully. I have worshipped and shared congregations alongside die-hard supalapsarian Calvinists all awhile personally hating that/their doctrine to its very core. But over time, and years, and years. And many acts of love and kindness. And not to mention the grace of God himself, this fellow relinquished his old ways and put on the new. Giving up on his very hateful theology. This is just one example of many I have seen. I don’t think it’s that Via Media that doesn’t work, I think it’s the people that don’t continue to work. Not willing to put in the work or keep the difficult job of keeping an open mind and willing to admit oneself is wrong or held a bad belief for many many years…you are right there have been numerous splits, and the Anglican faith is in disarray. But trust me Via Media works. Please take it to your Church and your own core, I promise it will help. God Bless :)
Anglican “unity” is a bad argument. Anglicans aren’t united, and their Church has numerous divisions. In America, the ACNA split from the main episcopal Church.
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@@SW-is7ww im sure this will convert them bro
Good video! On the subject of the Eucharist, the real difference between Reformed and Lutheran is the question of whether or not Christ’s human nature is present. Lutherans accuse the Reformed of Nestorianism by separating Christ’s two natures, saying that He is present in His divinity but not His humanity. On the other hand, Lutherans teach Christ is fully present in both natures, in a “supernatural mode,” but not “locally enclosed.” Also, the Reformed teach Christ is received “in the heart by faith,” and only believers receive Christ. Whereas, Lutherans teach Christ is received “orally,” and unbelievers also receive Him but unto condemnation.
Thank you for helping clarify this. I just lost count of the times I've tried to correct the likes of Reformed Zoomer about this protestant/Roman catholic caricature.
Good stuff.
Very thoughtful, thanks! My understanding is that the office of presbyter and epískopos were not separated until sometime in the 2nd century and Clement’s letter reflects this situation.
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If there is a difference between Lutheranism and Anglicanism in the view of the episcopate, I think it is mostly due to historical circumstances, which have since been raised to the level of norm. In Germany they did not succeed in winning over any bishop for the Reformation, which is why they chose to emphasize the equality of the presbyters with the bishops; but in the Apology of the Augsburg Confession it is stated that they whould prefers the episcopate, but that circumstances forced them to deviate from it.
Likewise, I don't think the Church of England would have had as strong of a theological emphasis on the episcopate and apostolic succession, had it not been for the conflict with the non-conformists and the presbyterians. Probably it would have been more like in Scandinavia, where apostolic succession was keept, but without great theological importance being attached to it.
That is possible. The early Reformation in England didn't emphasize it as much. Preference for the Episcopate, I would say, is the bare minimum Anglican position versus Lutherans tolerate and ambivalence to it
@@Young_Anglican Yeah. And there is a type of High Church Lutheranism - heavily influenced by Anglicanism - in Sweden, which really emphasize the apostolic succession. I tend to be critical to this movement for different reasons. The main problem I see is that if you put a lot of emphasize on the visible church and apostolic succession, and then look at the absolute state of the Lutheran and Anglican churches, claiming apostolic succession, today - I think it tend to drive people to convert to Rome and the East.
Kind of: "Well this visible church with apostolic succession, which I have been convinced by, must exist somewhere - and it's obviously not here". Case in point: The mass conversions of Anglican bishops to Rome in England. I regard those conversions as a great disaster, tbh.
Correct. Luther, unable to control his own passions, tried to win over the Archbishop of Mainz by offering him a beautiful nun. Luther’s sexual depravity failed to win over the Archbishop. 🇻🇦🇻🇦
We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.
Is there a Catechism for traditional Anglo-Catholics? I want to learn the ins and outs of the faith from an official source. I can't seem to find one that Anglicans agree on. I'm looking for one that fits the traditional Anglo-Catholic views.
@@TruLuan To Be a Christian: An Anglican Catechism on YT. Hope that helps. Blessings.
@@jamessheffield4173 It does help thanks! I was however, looking for a book. If there is a Catechism book that would be great!
@@jamessheffield4173 Unfortunately they are under the ACNA though. They ordain female priests.
@@TruLuan We can follow the Bible, prayer book, and 39 Articles. We can also follow the NT model of meeting in homes. Pax.
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Im Anglican myself but I take the Anglo-Catholic high tradition route and not the more reformed Episcopalian route that we are in communion with who are also Anglicans.
Only reason I'm not a Catholic is because I believe in Divine Right of Kingship not the papacy and believe in a Kingship. Look at the Davidic line.
God appointed kings and if any are evil than he's punishment for our sins while a good king represents the nature of the Anglicans.
I of course compare the English and Anglicans to Jews and Judaism because covenant theology but see the Anglican Church of the English as the replacement of the Davidic Synagogue of Israel. I think England and the Anglo-Saxons and Anglicanism became the AD answer for BC Israel, Israelites and Judaism.
Of course this is from Catholic Bede the English monk and I love Jews and think they will someday convert to Anglicanism. May Israel and England worship Christ together.
Anglicanism has catholic church structure and if done right conserve the ecumenical councils of the old apostolic creeds to which we confess.
But we of course have protestant individualism.
Go read your Bible and act like a good Christian individual.
Of course Catholic communal collectivist responsibility for Christ is of course a good thing cause kingdom theology.
Lastly i like orderly stability Anglicanism brings because it can internally reform and umbrella accomodations for the reform and catholic spectrums of Christianity without making schisms like the protestant reformation itself or the schism of east and west or chalcedone schism or even judeo-christian schism.
Reformed doesn't believe in Eternal Security (OSAS), we believe in Perseverance of the Saints which is more nuanced than OSAS and affirmed that one could lose his/her salvation.
Historically the Via Media meant a midway course between Zwingli and Luther. This was reflected in the Elizabethan Settlement of Religion.
No. Memorialism is incompatible with the 39 Articles. Between Luther and Calvin / Wittenburg and Geneva.
@@scotta.fleming6000 Thank you. After all Elizabeth's bishops seem to have been Calvinists except for Cheney of Gloucester a Lutheran.
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Unfortunately my computer is fried atm! I literally have two unedited videos sitting on my harddrive in the shop. ☠️
I find that Theology is an attempt to make sense of scripture for faith & practice but in my experience becomes confusing and divides the small c catholic church. The concept of Magisterium makes sense here to "hold the cards of Truth" since the Reformation the cards scattered. I'm however not Catholic because I don't believe in the Catholic dogmas of Marian Theology and veneration of icon's. I found it interesting that you and everyone seems to look back to the Patristic time as Theologically authoritative. I get that but did the early fathers universally agree with the ransom Theory of Atonement? I don't think anyone believes that theory now. The main theory is now Christos Victor or Penal Subatution theory. What do you make of this? I love this video by the way! Thank you.
I would affirm Ransom theory as would famous Anglican C.S. Lewis. I think your definition would line up well with the Anglo Catholic concept of magisterium as formulated by Vernon Staley and others like Francis J. Hall
i’m confused about the images thing you mentioned. you make it seem like the anglican view sides with the roman/lutheran view… have you read the second book of homilies? it’s fair to say a lot of modern anglican churches have them (mine does). but it’s certainly not the only anglican position. unless you wanna say john jewel (who likely wrote the homily on prayer) is not an anglican. there’s at least room for disagreement. or one could even argue the anglican view is closer to the reformed view if you consider the formularies.
I am wary of the notion of Via Media...because I think it encourages people to regard Anglicanism negatively, in terms of not holding other people's positions, either to the left or to the right.
Since when is the use of icons the Anglican position. Have you read the homilies here. I'm not saying there's a definitive Anglican position against them either.
Why don't you see Nicea II as Christological? It is a Christological definition to say that if you reject the veneration of Icons is similar to reject the worship of Christ's humanity. It's a rejection of the incarnation. That is why it's a pretty big deal in Catholic and Orthodox theology, Nicea II crowns Nicea I, Ephesus and Chalcedon.
All the heresies condemned by the first 7 ecumenical councils are embraced by Islam as proof that the devil hated those 7 councils because they were from God.
Using iconoclasm as a reaction to Byzantine defeat against the muslims is easily debunked with the account of St. Epiphanius of Salamis (310-403 AD) regarding image of Christ, which also predates Islam.
His account is unique and not representative of an orthodox view.
What I meant to say is that Islam, being a false religion, embraces the heresies condemned by the first 7 councils.
Iconoclasm is a way for Muslims to deny the redemption of the created.
You'd have to justify your second sentence. Doing proskuneo to graven images is not the same as worshipping the person of Christ, our God who has both a human nature and a divine nature.
When the Magi worshiped the Baby Jesus on Mary's arms, they were worshipping the person of Christ, who is God and Man, the were worshipping Christ in his Divine AND HUMAN nature. If you can't venerate creation you cannot venerate (much less worship) the humanity of Christ.
@@vincenzorutigliano7239 no one worships a nature isolated from the hypostatic union. We worship the person which possesses the union of two natures
There is no modesty or virtue in the "middle ground". Moderation for the sake of moderation, the middle ground in all respects tends to be an eclectic juxtaposition of ideas utterly incompatible with each other. Middle ground positions cannot stand a logical examination of their contents. We must seek truth rooting out all fallacies and errors, no matter how "extreme" our conclusions may look, both here in theology and every other field of human knowledge.
You are missing the point if you think "via media" means "moderation."
“We must seek truth rooting out all fallacies and errors, no matter how "extreme" our conclusions may look, both here in theology and every other field of human knowledge.”
I think you underestimate how much room there is for legitimate disagreement in our faith. A lot of stuff in Christianity is often not entirely clear from the text. Knowledgeable, sincere believers will, can and have come to different conclusions on various matters.
Since this is the case, a strong degree of moderation is a practical necessity. The only real alternative that I can see is if someone appoints oneself as the sole interpreter of Scripture, and then strong arms everybody else into agreeing with them.
"via media" the 2nd most best argument for statement "anglicanism is the most artificial christian denomination" (the number 1 is of course fact, that king Henry the 8th, defender of the Catholic faith, broke the union eith the Church, because he wanted an another wife)
Please don’t foreclose entirely the possibility of someday joining the Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter. 🇻🇦🇻🇦
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Become eastern orthodox
Become Anglican
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@@desertheir9893Become Catholic.
Eastern Orthodox hate Jews and westerners and orthodox Christians emigrate to western countries and talk badly about westerners.
Then western countries are less corrupt than orthodox countries according to the corruption index.