How to Get A Job Flying Corporate Jets as a Low Time Pilot
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- In today's pilot stories episode, I interview Mike Martin and Sean Richey; two long-time professional pilots and the hosts of the Pro Pilot Podcast. You will find today's video super helpful if you are a low-time commercial pilot and you haven't yet figured out the flight plan for your career path and are struggling to figure out if you should go to the airlines or fly corporate jets.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Start
4:40 Sean’s experience at the regionals
6:26 Is there a path that makes more sense than being a CFI?
10:05 How to ensure your SIC time is loggable
10:48 When does a type rating apply
12:31 The SIC logbook type rating loophole for part 91 operations
15:35 Insurance issues with type ratings
17:02 Sean’s method of recruiting new low time pilots
21:22 How does someone is middle-sized town USA find these right seat opportunities
23:55 Part 135 operators don’t do just part 135 ops
27:50 The best job to get for networking to get right seat jet jobs
29:00 The thing operators are really trying to hire for
29:58 Should I be a corporate pilot instead of an airline pilot?
33:43 The thing Mike enjoys most about flying corporate
35:15 Is corporate really that unstable?
39:48 Why long-time airline pilots sometimes struggle to switch to corporate
41:48 The current demand for corporate pilots
43:08 Why type ratings are so incredibly valuable
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After a successful business career where I've started and sold a number of companies, I've decided to get out from behind my computer to pursue a lifelong passion and start career 2.0 as a professional pilot. My goal is to get to 1500 hours and then either work for a large regional, a major, or possibly even cargo. You can learn more at www.FlyWithTrent.com.
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“Didn’t learn how to fly until I had to teach someone how to fly.” Truer words have rarely been spoken.
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@@trent_dyrsmid been keeping up with your current videos which has brought me to other creators as well. I’m a career 2.0 pilot as well, teaching at a local flight school part time in Arizona. Keep the great content coming. I learn something from every video!
Thx!
This is the Dream Team collab we all wanted to see. Such excellent information from everyone involved. I watch/listen to both of your channels religiously and it's such a great source of motivation to keep heading down that road to becoming a right-seater in a corporate jet. I agree with these guys you would be a great addition to Corporate aviation Trent even if they didn't sway you. Keep up the great content all of you!
Thx Rob!!
I couldn’t agree more about getting a job at an FBO. I took a job working the line after getting all my ratings and within three months I was picking up contract work. I had 500 hours without my CFI and went straight into flying Barons, King Airs, Citations and Phenoms!
Nice!!! How many hours a month did you fly?
@@trent_dyrsmid Yes sir! It’s hard to say per month because it’s always going up. I did about 250 last year and I’m sure I’ll pass 300 this year.
That’s my challenge with that route. Takes a long time. I fly over 100 hours a month.
For a newbie pls define FBO...😊
Nm. I love Google!
How many of you out there are in my situation??
I'm 54, got my ppl 20 yrs ago, life happened and you left your passion behind. Now, craving to get back into it… .BUT, the biggest hurdle is funds. You have the time, you have the drive to start career 2.0, but age and funds spin you into depression. A feeling of complete hopelessness.
Trent is a very fortunate man to have so many things line up for him. He's intelligent, articulate, educated, great personality, had the funds and support of his family.
Its impressive what he's done.
This is a difficult consideration because you are at an age where money should be flowing into the savings account, not out of it. Trust me, I empathize. I guess you have to ask yourself if the juice is really worth the squeeze? If you have your PPL, you could get a refresher and then start going on some cross-country flying adventures into and out of class B airspace. No, you wouldn't be flying a jet, but it's still flying. One of the struggles at this age, is not only the age 65 rule, but the fact that getting to a jet job will likely involve some geographical moves along the way, that will still only get you a job that pays poverty wages. It will be a challenging 3 years at minimum (and that's assuming the economy holds up). It's a lot for a 54 year old to take on, in hopes of maybe getting 7-13 years of jet flying, depending on which route you go.
Thank you! I’m rooting for your success :)
I am a little younger than you but in a similar situation. Here’s my current mindset: Age is just a number and the 65 rule only applies to commercial not corporate. Sell, borrow, and beg what you have to get it done. Get your experience and when you hit the age wall, move on to the next thing.
I am a DOM in a flight department with 3 other pilots. 2 are older than me and one younger. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses but we could all be pilots. I only have 80ish hours so I am not insurable nor have the flight experience yet but I have hundreds of hours operating the airplane on ground and non log-able time as FE. So it’s only a matter of time. I just have to keep one foot in front of the other.
I flew 1.7 hours yesterday as PIC in a 172. It’s only 1.7 hours but it was the best use of my time and fun in the last 60 days. Take care of the little things, the big things take care of themselves.
One of my inspirations recently said be positive! Even if you have to fake it, be positive and positive things will happen. If you are negative, you attract negative things!
Wish I could help you more. If you decide to rob a bank, I have a fast car lol
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You are spot on with everything you said.
I'm willing to relocate, and understand that it will be at least 2-3 yrs before anything starts going well. But, I've just been hit over and over in life. One step forward, two steps back type of thing, due to a variety of circumstances.
I actually have no desire to go to the airlines. Corporate, maybe. At this point I'd be content with being a busy cfi, and possibly a designated examiner.
@@Alberto1B 😅 I might take you up on that fast car.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as negative. I probably should have worded it a bit different. It's more like I feel like I missed out on a better calling.
Even tho I lost all my logbooks yrs ago, and will have to start over, to be honest, I'm actually not in the worst of positions, bc, I have an A&P, worked 12 yrs as a structural tech, and a degree in aircraft maintenance. I DO NOT want to go back to that field of work. I think I'd rather do an accelerated cfii, meii course and start instructing. I just cant afford that right now. But I'm working on it.
Best wishes to all you aspiring pilots out there. Dont give up!
And thanks for your reply and words of advice and encouragement.
The recommendation to get a job at a FBO is sound. My buddy got a job at one here in DFW and has networked his way into a right seat!
Sweet!!
Good for him. No doubt networking is important in the civilian world. Being ex military I was spoiled
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Thank you for this great content. I love the Pro pilot guys i watch them as well
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Great Job Trent. This answered a lot of questions.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Trent, these are the interviews that help the most. Thank you Sean and Mike I’ll be subscribing to your podcast.
Glad you like them!
Best video yet. I cannot wait to start.
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Eye opening, Thanks Trent
You’re welcome!
My two favorite channels on UA-cam doing colabs this month has been a much needed break from terrible weather training delays.
Love both of these interviews between you all.
Thank you so much!!
This was incredible, thank you for making it happen and sharing it with us.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great collaboration video! Learned a lot in this one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Such great information, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Keep them coming. Enjoyed every minute of this video. Fantastic info. Liked and subscribed. I'm going to the Pro Pilot Playbook and watch them also. Thanks for all you do.
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Love those guys!! Great info and a wealth of knowledge. I’m just starting with a regional at 49. Loving the ride so far as it’s a second career. Keep up the good work!!
Congrats!! And thx!
Thanks for this Trent! Priceless information. As someone who's figuring out whether to go to the airlines or corporate, this shines a lot of light on topics hard to find on the internet.
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Thank you, Trent, for this inside scoop of the corporate pilot world. Giving us many options into this journey of obtaining a great pilot career. Not just the airlines path. Your videos are keeping me focus in this new endeavor.
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Once again, you knocked it out of the park Trent. I could go to lunch with you three, shut my mouth, and just listen to the knowledge drop for hours!! Love the Pro Pilot guys and subscribe to them too. Thank you, all of you, for what you’re doing for us 2.0 peeps.
Wow, thanks! Much appreciated!
Such a great video and very valuable information!! 🙏🏽
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I absolutely love these guys and PPP ❤❤❤. Their coaching has made all the difference for me with some struggles I was having with my training. Great interview too! 🔥🔥
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Trent, thank you. You asked the exact questions I wanted to hear and drilled down into those answers given. Currently left my 20year career to focus on flying and building hours currently. Good luck on your future and thanks again for this collaboration!
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Just wow, I finished up flight school a few months ago and have been looking for a place to gain experience. This video has opened my eyes to some unknown things in the aviation world. Great video!
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Super informative thanks guys
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Great video. I’m right there at 600 hours and this information is incredible. Keep them coming if you can. Thanks!
Thanks, will do!
Trent love love your channel man. Gives me so much info. I’m 26 and started flying when I was 16 I ended up doing a business career since I was 20 but recently have decided to shift and continue flying. Will hopefully get my ppl, instrument, and commercial by EOY and I don’t wanna do flight instructor so these videos of other paths have been great!
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These guys are legends, loved the information given. Here for the algorithm
Thank you so much!
Awesome comment Swole! Thank you from Pro-Pilot Playbook
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Trent this is probably one of your best and most relevant videos. I retired off the KC-10 with 6,000 hours (boom operator) and am constantly looking at the next best route to that SIC gig weather it’s a King Air or a Global Express. Excellent content sir. I appreciate you having guests like this to shed light on subject matter that’s probably not on most pilots radar.
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Amazing video! I’m a 400 hr CFI and followed this exact path. I started at an FBO and last year got typed (61.55) for the CE-525 (citation). Now I instruct and contract on the side. So cool to see this info coming out.
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Hey thanks for this video. I’m 22 working towards my PPL in Orange County, California. Getting a little ahead of myself as I still have a lot of training to do, but this helpful as I really would like to go into corporate side of aviation.
hey whered you do your flight school training? Im based in oc too, im pretty young and have yet to start.
Best of luck!
Awesome content keep it up. Would love to get into flying just stuck trying to do online ground school.
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Was very enjoyable to watch. Great info! Going to follow guests pod cast now also! Took away, if you go corporate/private jet get type ratings to make yourself more valuable!
Thank you!
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Watched both videos and they were great and very informative. Lots of options and the Private Jet maybe a better transition to the Airlines.
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WOW!!! My aviation HEROES all in one place talking about everything I love and am interested in!! Instrument pilot with 440 hours here in sunny San Diego, working on commercial to go the CFI route, with aims in the corporate world. This was PURE GOLD, and I'll def be watching it multiple times. Thank you, Trent, for having Sean and Mike on for this! SUPER grateful for you, your candor, your wisdom, your learnings, and for sharing it ALL with us!!
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Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is the best video ever. I've heard about opportunities like this...good to hear from people in the know. As an older dude with 600 hours, it's good to know there are options other than instructing.
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We need more of this collaboration ✈️
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this was a great video!!!!
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Good stuff T!
Appreciate it!
Great video man keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
I'm in South Dakota but the middle of Kansas is actually my goal as it's way warmer and better growing season. Having a private landing strip there would be so awesome for all your business trips and travel.
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This is the first channel I’ve ever seen that has talked about this topic in this much detail, and as a private pilot working through my ratings all the way up to ATP, it was EXTREMELY helpful and informative.
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I saw your interview on their podcast and loved that you mentioned owning a small waste management company. I own a junk removal business in Missoula, we started in June of 22, and it's been great! Eventually, we want to expand that, and once we can be more hands-off, I'd love to be a corporate pilot! Currently we are trying to buy a house and pay for a wedding, so flight training is on the back burner... Love both of your channels! Keep up the great work.
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Great video.
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Trent. I’ve caught a couple of your videos and I want to wish you luck in your journey. We have similar stories. I started my 2nd career in aviation a few years ago, I’m 44 now. Trained and instructed in a 141 setting and transitioned to a 135 job flying right seat 135 in an EMB-505 (Phenom 300) at about 750 hours about two years ago ( right time right place). I transitioned with the same company to the left seat in the BE-20 last October and I’m headed back to the left seat in the Phenom in March. It’s a wild ride whatever path you take, no 121 experience but I can fully endorse everything your guests said and for me there is nothing like finding a good 91/135 corporate gig. The variety and type of flying and people is completely unmatched. There are few if any perfect jobs out there, but doing what I’m doing now has to be pretty close. Awesome schedule, great pay and time at home with the family (most important to me). Find a reputable 135/91 operator and don’t look back. All the best!
That is fantastic! Where are you based?
Based in Wisconsin. Family is here so it works. 😊
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Loving this channel! Obtained my PPL and Instrument rating back in the early 90s, and then took almost 30 years off to raise a family. Now at 55 I'm starting to work on career 4.0! Flight review complete, and studying for IPC. Looking to complete CPL and CFI by year end. Thanks for the great content and motivation!
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This keeps me going
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Every time you post a new video. I click on to watch. Not only do I enjoy your excitement in aviation. It's informative, educational, and intelligent. You reach for the deep soul of aviation. And ask yourself and other experts how it work?, can I become better? And how can my audience become a better safe pilot. I thank you, brother. Keep up the great outstanding work.
Wow, thanks Cory!!!
@trent_dyrsmid anytime, my brother. We pilots have to stick together.
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This was great. I don't intend to do cfi work. I've already done a commercial transportation gig so I'm hoping it helps. Thanks guys.
Glad it was helpful!
I wish I could have someone like that mentoring me while going through flight school. The process is long and expensive and it’s easy sometimes to lose sight of the objective.
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The Pro-Pilot Playbook was a huge part in getting me started in my pilot training. Great guys
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QUESTION: Can you give me 1 thing from the Pro-Pilot Playbook that made it worth the money? (Seems there is no end to pilot training aids for sale)
@@michaelsmith5463 oh, I never paid for the program. I just like to hear them talk
@@michaelsmith5463 Oh, I never paid for the program, I meant their channel. I just like their videos
Actually, The Pro-Pilot Playbook is not another training aid on "How to fly an airplane", it's a product that helps you fly and navigate your career in aviation industry. It includes time and money saving tips for your training, maximizing your CFI certificate, an interview and resume kit, sound proven step-by-step tactics to skip your CFI to fly a jet (including a list of 1000's of operators that may be looking for an SIC), and we just started a live coaching program that allows you to get your specific questions answered directly from us.@@michaelsmith5463
You guys hit the nail on the head. I have been in Business Aviation maintenance for 17 years and at my level it is all about networking. I worked at the FBO, the Manufacturer, the private company, and now the management company.
@trent, ignore the naysay, Corporate would be great for your personality! Since you are an entrepreneur and a businessman, you understand the big picture including flying. You obviously do not have tunnel vision and are driven! You would do amazing in part 91.
Thanks Alberto! Much appreciated:)
Great discussion. I would add to the C150 vs C172 spin discussion, make sure you are in the utility category of the C172 before you do spins. (essentially only two people in the plane, with forward c of g). If you do a spin in a C172 with three or four people and an aft c of g (not utility category, not allowed per POH), you can get into a flat spin and not recovery (as shown in accident reports). I was a CFI in Canada and performed many spins in both C150 and C172. Treat them with respect.
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Great video Trent! As an older person transitioning to flying this was great to hear as another option. Currently working on my instrument rating so by the end of this year I look to be in a position to leave Corporate America and fly. This could be a viable option for me.
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Hey @flywithtrent As a career 2.0 pilot myself I’m glad to see your progress. I’m 48, CFI, and I bought a plane to complete my hours. My primary job is a legacy airline dispatcher and dispatch instructor. What’s interesting is that my 400+ hours of jumpseat time doesn’t count toward the 1500 hours but I sure have a few “tell me about a time” stories from that experience. Best of luck to you and let’s get this 🤙
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Awesome video. I keep making excuses as to why i cant start.
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I’ve spun 172. 150, and citabrias. All 3 of my cfis and made me do spin recoveries. I took a scenic 10year
PPL journey so had a few cfis over the decade. 10 years to get my ppl. Hoping to get IFR and commercial in a couple of
Months. I’ve also debated becoming a pilot back and forth now. At the very least I want to do CFI so I can teach my kids
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Trent - Excellent interview. Love those guys, I watch them on their channel, too. Your question at the 31 minute mark (sell me on why a corporate pilot path is better - why should I choose that over airlines?) is exactly the one I've been grappling with. I'm 55, ex-corporate CFO, 525 hours, and starting my CFI class next week, so already thinking ahead to what comes next. Excellent interview.
Video topic suggestion: "How to start an independent CFI business?" like what you're doing. Biggest question in my mind is where to get an airplane to use? I'd imagine most flight schools wouldn't want you to use their plane (you would be their competition, plus they need it for their instruction), so.... where to get one? Thanks, and keep up the great work. I don't know how you fit it all into your week!
Yes, finding an airplane to fly can be a challenge. The best bet is to just buy your own. If you only aircraft and you’re providing the instruction, you can actually make pretty darn good money.
Another great video Trent, they are very informative. I am working on my PPL at the young age of 55. I am leaning towards being a CFI but we will see. I have type two diabetes and I would like to let your viewers know that you can pass your medical certification with a waiver as long as you can show you have your diabetes under control. I just received my two days ago. Time to make career 2.0 happen.
Congrats, and thanks for the share!
Hi Trent. I'm a 40 year old PPL student who wanted to become a career pilot 15 years ago, but talked myself out of it because the airline economy was so bad. I am working towards that goal now, hoping I can successfully make the switch and achieve that lifelong dream. I thank you for your videos, they give me encouragement and hope that it is possible to actually make this happen.
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I was instructing in 172's and was not concerned with stalls at all but 10 years later, after a lengthy break, I was talked into teaching PPL students in 152s. It had been nearly 30 years since I was in a 152 and I wasn't ready for the stall wing drop which can be dramatic. Tried my best to put on a brave face for the student and stay calm. Luckily I recovered (obviously) but I admit I wasn't ready for it. I won't be back in a 152 again if I can help it, at least not for stalls. Even in straight and level a few times I thought the 152 would flip in a gust. The 172 is much more stable and is not blown around nearly as much as the 152
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As a guy out in Kansas. Sounds like I may have to move.
I am enjoying the interview. One thing about where I live. I get to see new planes leave the factory on occasion.
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Funny. In the middle of Kansas at a small mom and pop flight school there was a waiting list with 4 aircraft haha.
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You should have someone with spin recovery experience take you up in a 172 and spin it. It will calm your nerves about stalls and spins. I was very nervous about stalls prior to doing this. You will see that the 172 recovers almost instantly once opposite rudder is applied. If one of my students drops a wind in a stall I still initiate anti spin inputs immediately, but I know that if it does make it into a fully developed spin I can recover it very quickly. Thanks for putting this interview together. It was very enjoyable and informative!
Hey Kevin… I’ve had plenty of people tell me that the 172 easily recovers from a spin since publishing this video so I’m no longer concerned about it. Truth is, I actually love doing spins.
Wow incredible video! I’m studying for my CFI. Im 39 have my own business as a home inspector with 2 kids ! Not easy !
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Just did my 1st official lesson this morning in a c150. Pwr on and off stalls and steep turns were quite surprising. The demos had me more nervous like going on a roller coaster. (I’ve lived a on the ground sheltered life and not much thrill rides). I really need to network more and get over my fear of the coms.
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Get your Ham Radio license and use it. That will prepare you like nothing else.
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Awesome job again Trent! You are blowing this YT thing out of the water, not to mention drive you’ve had throughout your pilot journey. This content helps open my eyes to future possibilities. Been watching your channel since day one but I will say I’ve had some challenges along the way, mostly getting out of my own head so to speak, but at almost 57 yrs old I keep pushing. You continue to keep me motivated. Thanks again as always bud. 👍
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Best crossover ever
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Great spin info. Great corporate pilot info to pAss onto my students. Congrats on being a cfi. I wish you great wealth and happiness. Let your students experience spin training in a champ with some one who does it all the time. Your job is to harp on rudder use. Thats just me. All the best neal cfi sw fla 1000 hours instruction given
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Good video thanks Trent. Lots of good info. What is a CSR desk?
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Awesome video, as always! Can’t recommend working at an FBO enough. I’m 300 hours, about to take my commercial checkride, and I’ve got a phenom owner pushing me to get my hours quicker so they can start using me right seat. Wouldn’t have that opportunity without networking in an FBO.
Good stuff!
Thank you for sharing this information. I have been wanting to get into the IT field for a while. I also love aviation. What I would love to do is get into the tech engineering side of things. I have 15+ years of random customer service XP and it just wasn't my thing. I do have some health issues. Epilepsy is one of them. My most recent job was a PC Tech 1 for a depot style place in Richmond, VA. I am curious have any of you been to Shannon Airport in VA?
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Also, typically in Corporate Aviation if they decide to let you go, normally you get noticed, and pretty good compensation, and if you networked while you were there, you can probably walk into another job and it may benefit you more.
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I AM that guy in Kansas. 😂 Once I get my CFI, I will probably entertain moving. Thanks for the advice.
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Spins in T-37s were the most fun! Start at 19,000ft and recover at 16,000ft AGL.
Wahooooo!
I would enjoy hearing some input from these two as to pursuing the best path for older pilots. I'm 57 w/1,350 TT. Working on Commercial, Multi and finishing Instrument.
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Hi Mike. Just started this process myself and turning 57 next month. Still working on my private. If you can…please keep me posted as you progress. I would appreciate any advice you can offer. Good luck on your journey.
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Sign me up, considered the airlines but think that corporate is where it’s at. I was a fueler at the fbo and made some connections. It’s hit or miss though when it’s a bunch of flex jet, netjet, wheels up and other share company pilots not like they can have you fly right seat for them
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Can we get a link to his video on how to "skipping your CFI 1 & 2"
Great video
Good content!!
I’ll check!
Gold!
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i am 29 and i am a electrician but been wanting to fly from when i was a kid its my dream is it to late. been listening to atc at work and doing my own studying
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Heck no. Perfect age
Agree!!!
I tried to explain this in many forums but the ignorance is thick! I'm glad this platform lends credibility to the subject matter. The ignoance I see among upcoming pilots is good enough reason for the 1500hr rule in my book.
Thanks for sharing!
172 does come out of a spin. Source: Me as a student while my lame instructor gave me zero preparation and zero instruction during. "See you figured it out" and a good look at the pacific ocean is all I got.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ that was nice of him….
For anyone that thinks this is a good idea. It is not. Good instruction requires building confidence. Putting an aircraft in an unusual attitude without briefing the other pilot is a really bad idea.
Do not mimic this type of behavior. It is unprofessional.
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Two more questions? 1. Which anr headset do you use?
2. At 54 do you think i would be abke to find a jig flying professionally or did i miss the boat yet again
Bose A30 and you’re the same age as me.
I waved for this collab for so long
Waited
Glad we could deliver for you!
I’ve been putting on 60 to 100 flight time a month as a CFI. I feel as that’s a sweet spot to avoid burnout.
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you gus should do this again but do a live sow ppl can ask some questions .
Great idea!
I'm in Canada and we need to demonstrate spins for the commercial flight test. I can say the c172 I fly definitely can get into a spin. It is inherently stable and can get out of a spin as well...but for sure you can get into full spins in a c172. I practice it at 5,500' or higher with capabilities up to 500' loss per full turn.
Thanks for letting me know!
Canadian ppl student here, to add to this, we don't demonstrate how enter a spin but we do demonstrate how to recover from a developed spin at least in a 172
Actually, for the private flight test there is no spin demonstration. However for the commercial flight test the candidate has to both enter the spin, hold the spin for at least one quarter rotation as directed by the examiner, and recover from the spin. @@MistaSkilla692
Ex. 13 Spinning
Aim
To demonstrate an intentional incipient spin manoeuvre and execute an effective recovery upon command from the examiner, using the technique recommended in the POH or POH Supplement.
Description
The candidate will use the correct entry technique and hold full pro-spin control input until the command to recover. The command to recover can be expected after at least one quarter (1/4) turn of spin rotation.
Despite the use of correct entry technique and maintaining full pro-spin control application, certain aeroplane types may nevertheless enter a spiral dive. If this occurs, the candidate is expected to announce “Spiral Dive” and use the correct recovery technique. The manoeuvre does not have to be repeated.
Intentional spins will only be conducted with aeroplanes that are certified for and loaded in accordance with the requirements for the utility or aerobatic categories. Intentional spins will be entered at an operationally safe altitude that allows recovery at or above 2,000 feet AGL, or the minimum height recommended by the manufacturer, whichever is higher.
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nice I wonder if a helicopter pilot with over few thousands hours could convert to jet would the hours count?
Off the top of my head, I don’t know how many would count….but I’m sure some would. I’d suggest you look in the regs and/or call your local FSDO.
14:00 At this point, seeing the look on Trent's face, I was expecting Trent to say, "Ok guys, this concludes today's video. Mike, I'll be over in a couple of hours!" lol.
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I’m a flight attendant and worked baggage handler for many years I’m 40 years old and looking to transition to airline flying. I’ve meet hundreds of pilots and have established relationships with a few of them. I’m hoping this gives me a edge
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✈️🛫🗿🛩️🇺🇸 TRENT! Amazing! I follow These two since just after you back in April! Love their energy commitment and knowledge! Awesome work ty!!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
I agree! I wouldn’t even be 50% of where I am now in my traIning without PPP ❤❤❤
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The number of companies that comply with 61.55(b) by just doing three takeoffs and landings and pencil-whipping the rest of the requirements far outweigh those responsible operators such as Mike and Sean that have a program that actually does what is really required. The only other nit I have to pick is the comment, "They may not pay you, but...". Please don't fall into that trap. Also, just because the insurance company "requires" a second pilot in a single-pilot airplane, that is not loggable as SIC time. Far better to have the "Other Crew" column as is pointed out. I have about 1,500 hours in such a column that is NOT included in my almost 17,000 hours. Glad to see the discussion regarding the great opportunities in Corporate Aviation!
Thanks for sharing your thoughtful comment with the community!
Does the "SIC endorsement" for logging time in the right seat part 91 work for a single pilot certified jet or just jets that require two pilots?
Referring to the 14:00 min mark
Hey, thanks for asking, it only applies to Aircraft that are certified for two pilots.
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You won’t be able to co-pilot certain jets with an in-house 61.55 in part 91 ops. For example - the AFM for a Falcon 2000LXS requires both pilots to have been trained at a vendor such as Flight Safety or CAE. In this case it is an AFM restriction.
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It’s a cool channel - I worked with my twin daughters to get their privates…they are on their way (as we speak) to an accelerated academy to get the rest of their ratings. I turned them onto your channel as well. I thought they could learn right along with you!
Very cool. Thank you!
Is corporate/charter considered a more stable career as a Pilot compared to Part 121?
No. Other way around.
Would love to run down this path to corporate or charter type but i am 54 years old and still flying for my private pilot certificate
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The following requires a type rating;
§ 61.5 Certificates and ratings issued under this part.
$61.5(b)(7) Aircraft type ratings-
(i) Large aircraft other than lighter-than-air.
(ii) Turbojet-powered airplanes.
(iii) Other aircraft type ratings specified by the Administrator through the aircraft type certification
procedures.
(iv) Second-in-command pilot type rating for aircraft that is certificated for operations with a
minimum crew of at least two pilots
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How can we get in touch with these two gents? I'm training in Cincinnati and may be in that low time area later this year...
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Doesn’t the aircraft have to require a two pilot crew for you to do the 61.55 ride? If the jet can be operated single pilot then can’t only one pilot log PIC time. For instance, if I’m a single pilot citation operator that means that now the sic is not required so therefore they cant log pic or sic time just sitting in the right seat after a 61.55 3 bounce?
I could be wrong here but I thought the aircraft had to require 2 pilots at all times not be able to be operated single pilot. If I’m wrong like I said please correct me.
This was covered in the video by two guys that know far more about it than me.
@@trent_dyrsmid I know it was but it was not the exact answer I was expecting. I’m asking for clarification on exactly what the interpretation of the regs are. Maybe you can share my question to them and I can get clarification.
Thanks. Enjoy the content. I’m a corporate pilot full time but I went the CFI route then straight to an SIC type on a large jet so didn’t get to fly anything with the PDP in place or anything to learn much about all of that and how it all works.
I’ve asked them to chime in.
Hello BaxterretxaB The single pilot jet aspect of all this is really irrelevant to what we were talking about in this video, it really should have never been mentioned. However, the same 61.55 tactic can be used in a jet that's certified to be flown single pilot. Remember that just because an aircraft is certified to be flown single pilot does not mean that the PIC in the cockpit is. Most training centers won't even issue the "S" to your type or let you enroll in a Single Pilot curriculum until at least your first recurrent. There are also many hoops to jump through with insurance companies on this subject as well. The PDP has nothing to do with this situation either. The PDP is new program the FAA just put out to allow this to done on the 135 level to help out those companies due to the pilot shortage. In today's world nobody needs to go fly 135 for years to get enough time to go to the airlines anymore and those companies are really hurting maintaining any kind of talent in the pilot ranks. One final note... There is a very specific tactic we teach within our program at The Pro-Pilot Playbook that can be used in SP jets and turboprops, but it only as a 'jumping off point' to acquire the actual 61.55 SIC endorsement.
@@ProPilotPlaybook thanks for the great information. Just to clarify basically if it’s a turboprop or a plane that doesn’t require a type rating such as a king air 90 or PC12 then the only way to log SIC time is to have a PDP in place. If one pilot is an ATP or CFI can the other log dual received and both log PIC time that way?
Once you get into a plane with a type certificate then you can simply do a 3 bounce 61.55 and now the sic can log the sic time legally as part of the crew in the eyes of the FAA?
Maybe you can shed light on this situation I hear thrown around to get two people to log PIC time in a jet -- because the jet requires two crew you can’t have an instructor in one seat and a sic “student” in the other and both log PIC time (because one is giving instruction and one is receiving it)….the sic is a 61.55 sic not a student receiving instruction at that point or CAN you do it that way?
Again I’m not saying which way is or isn’t correct I’m just asking your opinion on the subject.
Thanks again. Going to subscribe to your channel as well and check if you’re on instagram. (I go by a different instagram account name)
I stopped flying (school) because I’m colorblind and I’m scared spending money on aviation and not able to work as pilot. I have been told I could flight only during daylight. Any information or help about this?
Talk to an AME.