How to Become a Cargo Pilot and Maximize Your Income
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- July 5 UPDATE: since publishing this video, I have had three different Atlas Air pilots reach out to me and provide me with more detailed information. The updated video is here: • Video
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Thanks to the success of my channel, I have had the opportunity to interview a number of long-time cargo pilots, and in doing so, I've learned firsthand what flying cargo is like in today's world.
In today's video, I share with you what I've learned in the hopes of helping you to make the best careers choices possible.
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Hey Trent, I’m a 16 year 747 CA/LCP at Atlas. Great video and explanation. I think you hit all the major key points. Also, DOS is “Date of Signing” of the contract. Normally, contracts run about 5 years typically. I was a regional pilot for 3.5 years before joining Atlas and commuted a lot with very little time at home. Atlas has many US bases on all sides of the country which makes commuting much less and yes, the gateway travel is awesome. I am based in Miami and live in South Florida so commuting doesn’t even apply to me and my quality of life is even better. As far as schedules, Atlas offers a wide range of schedule opportunities to fit any persons schedule preferences. It’s a great company, great people and the airplanes and routes are fun to fly. We fly all over the world and the experience you gain doing this is second to none. It also opens doors to just about any type of flying job you want to do. I decided to stay at Atlas because it just fits my lifestyle and I love going to work each time.
Robbie, thanks for much for watching/commenting. I would love to speak with you further as I have a number of questions. If you are up for that, please contact me via the channel about page or as an Instagram DM. Thanks so much!
This is great to hear! I am wanting to fly cargo once I meet qualifications (I start CFI with Trent in the morning!). Everyone lately is very focused on airlines, which is great, but not as much info regarding cargo ops and schedules. This to me is valuable insight.
Go Boise!
User, is JC still VP for Flt Ops at Atlas? In another life he was my SO instructor at a major airline when we were younger.
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"If goods don't cross borders, soldiers will." -Frederic Bastiat.
People under estimate how important cargo is. It's how we get food on our tables, clothing, tools, and medicine. I believe any type of cargo business, whether it's flying or trucking, is vital and should be more appreciated.
Agreed!
Facts! As an owner op (trucker that owns and runs his own equipment) I am looking to make commercial air cargo my ending retirement career. I have several pilot family members and 3 that are commercial with 2 flying air freight and am envious of their careers not destroying their bodies and getting a bit better pay and benefits.
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Great information! Thank you for taking the time to bring this information to us.
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Wow you made Atlas sound enticing! I’m just starting my PPL so can’t apply yet, but now I want to when I’m at that point. I’ve flown on Atlas several times, they do military cargo flights frequently
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Thank you sir for taking your time to share such a big opportunities to others as new also old pilots see you in the Air❤
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Thanks for the update on this.
I personally would not mind going either or. Stay safe out and up there.
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First year FO pay for all aircraft at Atlas is $94.76/ flight hour, with monthly guarantee of 64 hours. After year 1, FO rates start to differentiate (737 FO 108.66/hr, 767 FO 126.62/hr, 777 and 747 FO 133.11hr). Lifestyle varies a lot between fleets, as does the amount and type of flying. Gateway travel is only good in US.
Ed....thanks for this! Do you fly for them? If not, where'd you get the information from? I'd like to check it out in further detail. Thx!
@@trent_dyrsmid Not yet, but hopefully soon as I have an interview scheduled with them next week. I got the pay rates off the Atlas forum at airline pilot central, but it matches up with info Atlas sent me. Hopefully this isn't a double post, as I tried responding to you earlier.
Thx Ed! Good luck with the interview!
@@edreese2761let us know how it goes 🎉
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I'm a pilot as well, A major reason why Atlas does what it does is because it fly's alot of government contracts, I.E military. Meaning it can fly to alot of not so normal locations allowing you to truly live anywhere.
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Hey Trent. Just stumbled on to your channel, and glad I did. Nice video, and I think it will help a lot of guys coming up. A few things, the DOS stand for "date of signing", and refers to their new/proposed contract. So it shows the contractual incremental increases year over year. Also, and I'm not sure if this is still true, but those "worry free" commute tickets and hotel stays on the company before and after your trip used to be counted in your paycheck, and taxed at a different rate. Apparently it's why we used to get a lot of their guys (UPS too) in our jumpseats when I worked for the regionals. Not sure if this is still the case, but 10 years ago when I did the assessment for 5Y (Atlas Air) it was. Thanks, and keep going!
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Such a great video! I'm right at the 1500 mark and Atlas is the goal! Great information, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Finally! The video I've been waiting for!
Good to hear!
This is great stuff Trent! I wish I had found this out several years ago. I'm 55 and have my PPL (not current) but this is so enticing. If I was a little younger I might be inclined to pursue this. My advice to anyone with the slightest inkling of pursuing a career in aviation is to just pull the trigger. Don't let life get in the way only to wake up at 55 kicking yourself in the ass for not pulling the trigger.
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Mr E. It's not too late. I've seen FOs get hired at 62 with a wet ATP and 1500 hrs. Plus they will likely extend retirement age to 67. And you can go back to part 91 or 135 after that.
@@toddsmith8608 Thanks for the response! You have me thinking now. I'll have to determine if training can be accomplished in a reasonable amount of time while holding down a full time job. Well, just to name one thing. lol
@@mre706 it can be accomplished, just a matter of priorities. Helps if your S.O. is on board.
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I’m on this video first Bro🎉 Following you all the way. Guest this is the start of your 50+ fan club😂
Hahaha! Get it, Manny!!
Just turned 55 last Saturday ♊🏆✈️🙋🏼♂️keep it up!!
Go 50+!!
I worked for Amazon with atlas planes for about a year and a half as a ramp agent, and now I’m about to take my IR checkride within the next two weeks or so. Hopefully I fly for them one day!
👊 that is fantastic. Congrats! Blue skies ahead :)
The high time pilots I know that retire usually go to cargo carriers. One of the reasons is packages don’t complain. Atlas and Omni air do a lot of work with the DOD as well, so better job security in case there’s another pandemic
You make good points!
I’m a military pilot stationed in Germany and I see Atlas out here almost every day. Don’t know much about them but they seem like a well-maintained fleet. Would love to learn more about the company. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
Saw Atlas/Polar in Afghanistan. Liked that they accepted those flights! Appreciate the Baskin Robins…and bullets they brought in!
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Funny seeing a fellow bluetail here lol. Hope you find whatever airline works for you!
@@MegaRubiks have you made the jump?
I can tell you my cousin flies for fed ex. He does international routes. He only works 7 days a month, i.e., flying. He's pulling in $500k or more a year. Pretty good gig
Right?!
Does he have a bachelors degree?
@gavindhillon5978 Yes. He flew in the navy for 10 years before jumping over.
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Thanks for the info! I start ppl school in July and have been trying to get a feel for all the career paths
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How is it going now
Terrific!
Another great video! I've been thinking that Cargo or Corporate is my future more than the actual airlines; we'll see. I've made a lot of progress since I saw your first video -- my PPL training starts on June 20th; on June 24th I take delivery of my own plane (an older Piper Cherokee) that I signed an agreement to purchase yesterday; this will save me a fortune in training costs not having to spend $145/hr to rent a plane. My instructor specializes in accelerated training, so if all goes as planned, I'll have my PPL and instrument by end of July (likely before), and Commercial by end of August or mid-Sept (the 250 hours). From there it'll be time to become a CFI and also look for other paid work that I can get with the commercial rating... even with my own plane it'd still cost like $30k in fuel alone to get to 1500 hours so CFI and other work will be necessary. I'm SUPER excited to get going! I can't quite believe I just bought a plane...
How much did that Cherokee cost you? If you dont mind me asking.
🙌 thats terrific! Blue skies ahead! thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment! 🙌
@robgoffroadc616 Big day today, hope the purchase goes well. Not to be Debbie downer but i don't think having your ppl AND instrument done by end of July is realistic. PPL maybe, but that is assuming everything goes perfect (weather, maintenence issues, scheduling conflicts, etc) i would figure 6-8 weeks for ppl and same for instrument. You gotta have some days in there for ground school and non flying days. I understand the excitement and desire to get it knocked out but having instructed over 1000 hrs I'm just trying to be honest.
On the positive side, that's great you're getting your own plane. I did my initial training in a piper warrior, PA-28 is a good aircraft. What study material are you using? Does your instructor have a syllabus? I'm assuming you're gonna be doing it part 61?
Never underestimate someone’s desire. I’ve had people tell me in the comments that I can’t do this or that….and then when I get it done…it’s 🦗🦗🦗🤣🤣🤣
@@trent_dyrsmid Im not saying it's impossible. Mainly i don't think it's a good idea to try and cram PPL and instrument into 5 weeks. To me it kinda raises a red flag and makes me wonder about his instructor, i.e. how much experience they have and what their motivation is. CFI is a teacher and part of that is having a syllabus and realistic schedule that allows enough time between lessons to process the knowledge gained.
I'll shut up and go back to minding my own business now.
My sister's step son recently left the RAAF as a senior pilot of them real massive ones & he's just started flying cargo for Atlas in the US.
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I am not a pilot I am an Electrician.
For 15+ years now I have been working in the mining industry in Australia on 2 weeks on 2 weeks off roster and cannot imagine myself doing any other roster (but as you said it depends on the individual), also as you sated you can live anywhere in the world, which I actually do, I have lived in Philippines for 12+ years.
Flying back and forth from home to work every moth means I fly A LOT, but only in the passenger cabin and I have to pay not get paid...lol
The pilot shortage is going to get worse (e.g. an Indian airline just ordered an additional 400 planes) so it is a great opportunity for anyone wanting to go this path, If I was a lot younger than what I am now I would suck all of your information in and go for it to become a pilot (in cargo as no pax to worry about), so it is great that you are putting this info out there for people, great work mate.
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I know a guy that went from passing IOE at Skywest to getting a job at ATI on the 767. All in less than a year.
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Such a great video. I’m a student pilot with 22 hours or so. Just graduated high school.Getting ready to go to Florida Tech to get a BA in Aeronautical Science with flight. I know I got a long road ahead but I can’t help but to watch videos like this to effectively plan out my path in life. So I appreciate these videos of you breaking down requirements and showing us younger guys a detailed outline to the majors.
Hey Tristen....sounds like you have a great plan to secure your future. Good on you. Thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment! 🙌
DO NOT GO TO FLORIDA TECH
@@cptnbennett can you tell me why, cause it’s a little too late to start second guessing?
Hey Tristen, I graduated from Florida tech in 2007 with a degree in aeronautical science with flight. It is a complete and utter waste of money.
For starters, Aeronautical Science is a completely useless degree. It sounds like a fancy title but that is all it is at best. You cannot get a job as an aeronautical scientist if flying falls through. It’s a bunch of math and science courses that never go in depth enough on either one, and so you’re not qualified in any of them. It’s the Paradox of Choice of university degrees.
Secondly, the flight instruction is good, however given the price, it’s nothing that you can’t at any other flight school. I’m sure the recruiters wax lyrical about the benefits of a Part 141 program vs Part 61. Let me tell you something. Airlines do not give a flying fuck where you did your training. They just care that you have the hours and the certificates. It’s actually amazing. Not. A. Single. Time. Have I ever had an airline ever mention or care that I went to FIT. Hell, most of them don’t even care that you have a degree at all anymore.
Thirdly, it’s an engineering school so the male/female ratio is completely lopsided. The parties are terrible. I know you’re probably not going to school for that but when you’ve passed your commercial checkride, and want to blow off some steam, it would be nice to do that at a party that didn’t have a 10:1 ratio. Not kidding.
You will be absolutely saddled with student loan debt for years, and it’s solely because of bloated administrative costs not due to quality of education that the prices are so high.
I cannot stress enough about not going there. It’s one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made. Go to an instate tuition school(preferably a big one so you can have fun), get a useful degree (Engineering, Accounting, Economics, Finance) and do your flying part 61 at a local airport.
@@cptnbennett Thanks for the advice
Great videos Trent! You sir are an inspiration!
Background music in this was super annoying.
Noted!
Hello, do one for UPS please! But with latest info, maybe interviewing new FOs?
I’ll see if I can get any to reply to me.
First and foremost I really want to thank you for being on UA-cam! I’m 32 and I’m currently in Flight school. it’s amazing to have up-to-date information, and from someone who is more season in life. I’m proud of you, and thanks for helping me along my journey.
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@VictoriaMonet what is the math difficulty level in flight school? My biggest fear is I’ll get into flight school and fail midway thru due to my high school level math limitation
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@@jtmagx It is basic math with the ability to read basic charts. If you can add, subtract and divide you can make it.
@jtmagx don't let that be a deterrent. I suck at math and had to go from basic algebra up to calculus 1. It was a real challenge for me but I made the decision that nothing was going to get in the way of my goals, and I studied my a** off and passed. Now, I'm working on my commercial license at a university pursuing my dream and loving every bit of it. You'll thank yourself when your on the other side of it. Besides, i will never use most of the math I had to study to get here. Basic math skills will serve you just fine.
Actually that's great explanation,
that's cool ❤.
Thanks Aviator
Been Freight 25 years haven't regretted a single moment 👊
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Great information! I reallly don’t want to do the airlines I would rather do cargo. My wife and I are truck drivers and I wouldn’t mind be away from home for a period of time then take off. That pay of well worth going there instead. Sorry just found your channel. Great content
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DOS is date of signing their new contract. DOS +1 is date of signing one year later.
Thx!
Just to added, might be a a bit late..
But DOS is Date of Signing (for the Collective Bargaining Agreement)
So DOS is the date when contract is signed. Then +1 is one year later and so on.
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I would transport them from the plane to the hotel. They lived all over. Some even lived in Puerto Rico or Honduras, and would fly in for two weeks and then fly home.
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i live on the flight path of my local airport and see cargo planes(mostly Fed Ex) regularly during the day
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Ausys love Atlas.
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Hi Trent, thanks for your videos. They're exactly what I was looking for. I'm 41 and passionate about aviation, but I always thought it was too late to start. I'm a night owl, most focused and energetic after sunset, and I can easily stay awake until 3 AM. No matter where I go, even in a new time zone, my body naturally falls into this cycle. On the other hand, I find it really hard to wake up before 9 AM.
Do you think it's possible for me to build a pilot career that takes advantage of being a night owl, avoiding early morning flights and preferring evening ones? If so, what type of pilot should I aim to become (airline, cargo, corporate, instructor, etc.)?
Thank you
Cargo is for you!
Can you explain more about audit your log book? Also what do you use for digital log book bc I need to do a backup
I use Foreflight for my digital logbook. An audit is merely what the name suggests; a detailed review of your log entries.
I recently heard an interesting story supposedly told by a pilot of a cargo carrier. In 2022 he was notified by his company that they were “buying” his flight schedule for the entire year to allow senior staff pilots to get flying time. They paid him $500,000 for the year. Then he was able to get hours as substitute pilot on an unscheduled basis and earned another $450,000. I have no clue if this is true, but if you check the cost to send a package by UPS air, you’ll know where the money and demand is coming from.
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Why would the company do that? Wouldn’t it be easy to let him go?
@jasmineartis5754 No, he was a long-time pilot for UPS.
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Hey Trent. I stumbled into your first flight video upload 2 days after looking into doing flight school myself. Ive watched all the videos and love the information. I do have one question for you that I myself and trying to figure out. How do you plan to get the 1500 hour mark? Do you plan on taking your time on it? Or hustling to the 1500? I do apologize if you have put this info out and i missed it but could you please let me know.
Hi Steven...I'll be hustling for most of the time and working as a CFI. The balancing act that I will have to figure out along the way is how much time I instruct in a single engine...vs how much time I work at a part 135 in a twin/turbine aircraft. Obviously, the twin/turbine time is more valuable...BUT...how many hours can I get per month? Perhaps I'll be doing a hybrid approach of some kind.
He mentions instructing on multi-engine in this video. I am assuming based on the theme of the channel that he won't be dragging his feet when it comes to building up the time.
That would be correct :)
Hey Trent. You mentioned a log book audit and how important they are. Who does them? It maybe a good topic for a future video. 🙂
The airline hiring you does them. Thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment! 🙌
I got hired as a cargo 767 FO 6 months ago. No one even asked about my logbook, let alone looked at it. I provided copies of ATP, 1st class medical, RRTOP, passport, they did a background check, that's it.
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@@toddsmith8608which company 👀
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Hello there the dos means date of singing basically the contract so it ads up on hourly pay depending on how many years that contract has been around
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heard you say your from boise, I am also from the area. Did you look into silverhawk in caldwell and/or have any thoughts about the school?
I visited them. Seems like a good school…but they have older planes and a 6 month waiting list. Plus, they are part 141 so it would have taken me a lot longer to get my ratings.
Your friend from Brown. There is no big bump to year 2. You have the rates. Brown does a huge year 2 bump.
Thanks for clarifying!
I'm 55 with 600 hours Time-building with my sights set to fly a 747 with Atlas!!
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What medical questions do you get from the faa or ppl like that if new to aviation carriers?
You just take a medical exam. I don't recall the questions.
If a person is flying c17 in the AF, do those hours count towards getting a job outside the military.
Yes.
Please do a video about pilot income taxes
They are no different that any other income tax. Not something I plan to cover.
UPS Year 1 52k, year 2 199k.
Big jump!
Wow. No kidding!
Well here is the thing. Atlas will hire you at R-ATP but it will be on the 737 for a few years until you shift to their main fleet. You will be flying their 737 across the US NOT Europe or Asia for the most part. You won’t gain a lot of hours in the beginning but hey a job is a Job
If you would like I can send you their flyer kinda explaining it all
Thx for sharing!
No difference in path. Just get the hours in. There will be no better time than now to work as a pilot. At Oshkosh these airline captain recruiters are snatching everyone with the required time, they will take care if the rest. They really want CFIs due to training skills.
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In regards to cargo pilots what are the pro and cons of flying larger planes vs smaller planes besides just pay difference?
I’m not sure 🤷♂️
Before you started your commercial aviation journey did you make sure you could pass a 1ST class medical?
Yes.
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Me: "YOU ARE MY RESEARCH!!!"
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I heard one cargo pilot say that "freight doesn't complain like passengers do" when there is a delay.
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I’m the cargo I looked into Ameriflight And you can transition to Ups / United
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Automation and reduced crew aircraft are coming for cargo first. Be aware of that.
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I am currently attending flight school and came across this video. Please forgive me if I have misunderstood. Are you suggesting that Atlas doesn't require one to fly at a regional level, and theoretically, one could accumulate the necessary hours as a Certified Flight Instructor (CFI)? So, if one has a bachelor's degree and the required hours, they could proceed directly to cargo? Is that correct?
That is my understanding.
Atlas does not operate 757. Titan (a subsidiary of Atlas Air Worldwide) may lease some out.
Thanks for clarifying!
Wish I was a cargo pilot. I’m based in Western Europe and can’t find a flying job, been qualified for over 10yrs too
Sorry to hear that.
@@trent_dyrsmid - No worries man, keep doing what you’re doing ✈️
Will do :)
Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean regarding logging of hours in pilot
logbook. Thanks
Just make sure that your log book has all the details. Night flight? Approaches flown? Take offs and landings? Modern log books allow you to record all those details.
@@trent_dyrsmid oh okay, that's understandable, much appreciated. One last thing. Base on your knowledge, do the majors airlines or cargo companies require that your logbook are stamped/signed from previous employers? I've done lots of flying outside the US with different employers, its why I'm asking.
I have no idea. Sry!
Pls turn off the background music. I tuned in to hear what you are saying. The background music is distracting
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For the top two cargo companies in the US, I’ve also heard year to you make over 200,000.
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Yeah maybe, but you won't get hired at FedEx or UPS with 1500 and ATP.
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We are under paid at Atlas and our contact is kind of a joke. Hopefully the new owners make a change.
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I really want to work for Atlas Air or UPS, mostly Atlas Air.
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Has anyone looked into working with Qatar cargo as an American? If so are there any differences from atlas to Qatar since they have bases all over the world?
I have not.
@trent_dyrsmid thank you for getting back to me. I just think it would be a cool way for a young single guy with no kids to see the world.
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Senator Armstrong we will follow
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I know about logbook audits because I'm a truck driver. I've been driving for over ten years and I'm looking to make the switch over to become a pilot. But I'm really worried about the cost.
It is expensive, to be sure. Just depends on your budget and desire.
im cdl too n i just decided today im gona go the pilot route now 🤞
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Drop the music please
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Im not in the best financial position to become a pilot. I have about 20k i can spend at this moment, but im young. 19. Would this in your opinion be enough for flight school and then a career?
That is enough to become a light sport CFI, and then you can start earning money. Watch my interview with Pilot Kaity.
DOS is Date of Start i believe
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Hi Sir, my name is Prince James i do follow ur channel n wanting to become a pilot. Wat is the best way to start? If you could kindly assist me in the rightful direction I will hardly appreciate you
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Didn’t Atlas have a crash a couple of years ago in Houston? because of hiring issues where they didn’t do background checks when they needed too? Have they made any improvements after that incident?
I’ll let you Google that one.
@@trent_dyrsmid yea just did, the FO lied about his background and accidentally activated Go Around switch then panicked and didn’t even use instruments. Difficult situation honestly for the Airline.
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DOS. Day of Signing
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We had a furloughed FO go to Atlas &had his days off rolled for a month straight b4 he went home. He quit. Pay was good but not worth it according to him. Perhaps contract rules have changed but I would certainly ask someone at Atlas.
That is common for the first month right after you finish training but before you can bid a line. It sucks but doesn't stay that way. Couple months tops. I don't work for atlas but a similar cargo airline and this happens here as well. Some put up a fight with scheduling and were given a few days off to go home and see the fam.
You should have been with me flying in Vietnam. Maybe a couple of days off a month and getting shot at for your trouble. But the pay was great: $410 a month plus $100 flight pay and $25 for combat pay. Free housing too. Think about it while you are complaining. And when I got out after the war there were no flying jobs available. You folks have no clue how fortunate you are today to fly airplanes and make great $.
@@maxcorder2211 your anger & frustration are understandable but a little misplaced
@@petediaz9310 No anger at all. I’ve had a very successful business career. And you are probably right, the discussion was about today’s situation.
@@maxcorder2211 you got a point. I see many young pilots that have no idea how good they have it right now.
I remember an old instructor who, anytime someone complained about a difficult day of flying, would ask: "Well, was anyone shootin' at you?"
I always got a kick outta that. Really put things in perspective.
Thanks for your service.
Lots of issues here. Airline pilot central shows what all carriers both cargo and passenger based carriers offer. The rates there are pretty accurate. What’s not given is work life rules based on union negotiations. That makes or breaks a job. Atlas doesn’t have the best work rules for that. Cargo is a great career now that I fly cargo I wouldn’t go back to passenger service. The statement about furlough passenger side vs cargo is mostly true but not always the rule. Other than that cargo is a great job. And often overlooked by the younger pilots that want to look good in their uniforms and walk through the airport terminals for recognition. Personally it’s over rated.
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Monkey wrench: 100% agree.
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Many pay rates at Airline pilot central have not been updated for a while.
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Update- Atlas now also provides up to $1250 reimbursement per month for commuting from outside the US :)
Good share. Thx!
@trent_dyrsmid certainly should be a game changer for many :)
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1500 hours will take about how long? Is it true to be a airline pilot it might take about 8 to 10 years? And that its not true with the fast track air line pilot program in 2 years
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I fly for a big3 legacy, would it make sense for me to fly cargo as well?
Not sure that I'm qualified to give you a good answer to that one.
You can't. You'll never get the time off to get through indoc, trying, OE, and consolidation. Not to mention the 121 flight time limits every 7, 30, 90, 365 days.
@@nikh9080 thanks, yeah.
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Trend how old is to old to be a first officer or flight engineer on ATLAS.
I’d bet they’d hire you as old as 60… but I don’t work for Atlas, so I would suggest you’d be better off to ask them that question.
im 45 years old so obviously not gonna start a career but I do have a question about flying for anyone....
I WANT TO FLY! But, a few years ago i did a test flight in a cessna 172. I took off fine and about 10min later I started to feel sick. Its the same feeling I get if I play a game in VR. I didnt throw up but the instructor had to land the plane I felt so bad. I felt like ASS for 3 straight days before I was feeling normal again.
is this something that I would eventually get used to or do you think it could be something else? Also, is there any way I can train my body for it?
Awesome video!
I have no idea. Thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment! 🙌
I threw up the entire time I was getting my PPL, including on my checkride. I have over 10000 hours now. You get over it.
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@@nikh9080 Thats awesome man! :)
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How old were you when you switched careers to become a pilot?
53
@@trent_dyrsmid I'm thinking of making a career change too and im in my later 30s and was thinking I'm too old. I am a former center atc.
Definitely not!!
@@trent_dyrsmid thanks for the encouragement!
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Im a 777 FO at Atlas. The schedule is why I'm here. 17 days on, 14 off every month. I love that. I do not want a typical airline schedule.
Im not chasing the money, the QOL is much more important to me. Are there issues at Atlas? Yes. That is the nature of the business, pilots vs management. There are issues everywhere.
My typical month I'll see Germany, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, China and of course Anchorage, Cincinnati, and Los Angeles. All ar least once. My flights average about 10 hours, some as long as 17 others as short as 4.5. We typically fly with 4 pilots (2 crews). Fully catered, bunks, in our pajamas, and boxes never complain.
Upgrade time is currently about 5 years in my fleet. Maybe less in others.
I am 50. I've been flying since I was 15. I've been a CFI, 135 pilot, corporate pilot, and even a sim instructor. I've done enough in my career and I've been around long enough to know, even though Atlas isn't perfect, it's perfect to me.
If you have questions look for me on Instagram or tiktok as dadto5 or atlas777pilot and I'll answer questions.
Hi Nik...thanks so much for saying hello. I've just DM'd you on IG and provided my phone number. I look forward to speaking with you soon. The way you describe the QoL at Atlas is definitely appealing to me.
Hi Nik. Out of curiosity what is the estimated time to get to the lefthand seat on Atlas 747? Also in your opinion, what Atlas aircraft would be best to be on if you lived in Houston? Would like to maximize time at home.
@@LauraLSU2009 expect 5-7 years. I would say MIA, but it is a very senior base. ANC is JR base for 747.
The 777 is JR based in LAX. A base swap to MIA is doable in under 1 year.
@@nikh9080hello nick. Do you think the management will offer better pay scales soon?
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Is there a retirement age restriction?
Age 65 at an airline. But, you can keep flying as a corporate pilot for as long as you are able to keep passing your medical.
HR and recruit departments are discombobulated appears they aren't all aware really of who they are interviewing.
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Turning 53 soon and all I know is go or no go. I choose GO!
Agree! I’m in track to go from PPL to regional airline pilot in 14 months (unless I flunk the interview!)
@@trent_dyrsmid you got this!!!
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Do you like cargo more then airlines?
I don’t have a preference
UPS Cargo requires an ATP certificate while the airline pilot jobs say that they'll train me to get my ATP certificate... does UPS train their new hires to get their ATP or do I have to already have it before I apply?
No idea. Ask Google :)
@@trent_dyrsmid okay
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If a $250k second-year FO is real then better than every other airline. Usually, a 10 yr widebody FO gets to about $200k with legacies. Atlas did change year-one rate for the fleet to $92/hr and the top pay to 12 yr B747 Capt at $295/hr.
Thanks for sharing. How'd you obtain this data?
$295/hr for 747CA is absolutely pathetic, my airline tops out at that for a 737CA at a ULCC
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I'm in the industry and highly skeptical of any reports of a 2nd year FO making > $175k, let alone $250k. I'd love to see the breakdown of that.
@@Micg51 how many years until CA upgrade at your Ulcc?
I have to leave halfway through, music driving me nuts. Little repetitive too, otherwise great. Good luck.
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Does MSFS flying hours count? Asking for a friend.
Sadly no....BUT it is a fabulous training aid for instrument flying. With that said, if you are training for a private license, the physics model (how it feels) in X-plane is significantly better than MSFS2020.
I was never a sim guy but last year i got the new MSFS and its crazy how realistic it is, especially the virtual atc interaction. I would recommend it to anyone.
Agreed!!
That’s like asking if you can get driving hours from playing forza 5
MSFS is a VERY realistic trainer. The trainers certified by the FAA aren’t as good.
If a pilot has been flying 121 operations, wouldn't they already have the ATP?
I'm not sure.
Yes.
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If im working 50+ hours a week, and have no experience or even pilot license, is it even possible for me to become a pilot? I have always dreamed of it and at a crossroads in my life where I want a new career, is it even possible to become a pilot?
That’s really up to you. Anything is possible if you set your mind to it.
I was in your situation last year, zero time with a full time career. If you want to make this your next career you have to effectively make flight school your job for the next year and then teach flight school for the next 2 to be sure you have the hours you need. So prepare yourself financially for zero income for a year and ~80-100k of debt, then 2 more years of low income as an instructor before you can apply for your 1st "real job" flying.
You would have a hard time getting a ppl in a year working 50.
@@destro513 not necessarily. I got my PPL in 4 months start to finish while working 50hrs a week
For those people with grit and determination, there is always a way. For others, there is just the story they tell themselves on why they can't.
So pretty much i would have to purchase my own plane to get 1500 hours? It would cost a minimum of $200,000 to rent a plane at $135 per hour times 1500 hours. I think renting during PPL and then buying a $70,000 Cessna for all the other stuff and just paying the hourly rate for the instructor.
Or you could get your CFI/CFII/MEI and earn $$ as an instructor.
@@trent_dyrsmid That’s true also.
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I became a cfi at 44 and got 600 hours my first year as a part time job. Im retiring from my L.E. career next june. I should have my time by then to move on to an airline. I am pretty driven, but if I can do it so can you.
Agreed!
Sir How to become Airbus A380 pilot which license should i take.
I’ve got a free email course on how to become a professional pilot as fast as possible. The course covers things like how to study to the written exams, how to pick a school, how much to expect to spend, how to get financing, etc….If you’d like to gain access, just go to FlyWithTrent.com and become an email subscriber.
@@trent_dyrsmidThank you trent 🙌
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So cargo also needs 1500 hours?! I thought they wouldn't require that many.
Yes....if you need an ATP, you need 1500 hours.
@Fly with Trent I wonder if flying for a low cost carrier in Asia would be a good idea for a new pilot's race to 1500 hours. I'm considering it. Have you looked into that?
Not yet.
1500 hours is the minimum required for ATP. Part 121 cargo carriers require atp, with few exceptions for R-ATP
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Do you live in an RV?
Not normally, but during flight school I am.
Is having a pilot career big on vaccines?
Ask Google.
Yes. We go to a lot of foreign countries that require various vaccines.
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Will pilot be reduce because of single-aircraft?
Thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment! 🙌
@@trent_dyrsmid my pleasure thank you for the video and information... do you believe the FAA will reduce the amount of pilots due to single aircraft?
@@DallasFort1857since this guy won’t respond properly, *usually* 2 pilots are needed to fly anything bigger than a pc12 or a citation, so pilots likely will not be reduced
I didn’t understand your question first time around. No, I don’t. Insurance companies will want two pilots for years yet.
@@trent_dyrsmid 👍 sorry mate I thought you just ignored his question
My goal = fly UPS
Good goal…though they aren’t hiring (from what I’ve heard) right now now.