Online piracy is illegal, but is it wrong? | Douglas Bednorz | TEDxChallengeEarlyCollegeHighSchool
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Douglas, as many teens will tend to do, found it tempting to "pirate" material online for a cheaper price (if not free) instead of paying for it from a vendor. In this talk, Douglas explains how learning the skill behind video game design helped shift his perspective.
Douglas is a senior at Challenge Early College High School and will be attending Texas Tech University in the Fall. Douglas looked at the world of illegal game downloads through the lens of his shifting perspective about whether or not it was "wrong" all while knowing it was illegal.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
Rumor has it he is still pacing back and forth to this day..
HAHAHHAHAHHAHA'
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He probably had a new activity tracker
honestly!
He might have spent another 18 hours developing a game.
I came here for this comment, specifically.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."
-Gabe Newell, CEO of Valve Corporation
This is why people pirate.
true to a certain extent. Not everyone pirates just because of the region locks there is a very big portion of people who pirate because they don't wanna pay for their games and take the free option. Also those who want to cheat in video games and when they get banned all they have to do is download another cracked version.
@Johnathan Smith I'm going to go on a limb and say that the CEO of the world's largest software distribution service has enough data on electronic property purchases to reasonably make an educated and informed statement about why he thinks people pirate software.
I just realised that this is really true
I mean, there a movie or games that I want to watch or play. But I can’t find it anyway legally, so.... yea I’ll just be a pirate then
@@Glassandcandy CEOs are also quite detached from the regular consumer, particularly in terms of wealth. Having data on electronic purchases doesn't make him informed or educated enough to determine why people pirate software. Cost is a big component of it, especially these days when AAA games are so expensive. The cost of one game is already expensive in places like the US where the dollar is high, but imagine that in countries where the dollar is half or less. $100usd can feed people for a month in some places. You have to come from a place of privilege to think money isn't a factor.
Yes exactly my favourite show comes to my country after 6 months , due to covid it came 8 months late. There is no official source to watch it in my country. I can pay I have 3 streaming service but had to pirate to watch it the same day with US. So
No not "pirated"
Just "Creatively acquired"
Perfect description
That's illegal
@@aadarshroy3216 oh no
Pirating helps me to decide if something is worth paying for.
Ha!jokes on you, even if its worth paying for you wouldn't even pay for it.
You’re still a thief
No, he's no thief. The difference between pirating and stealing is; if you steal something, you take something from someone else, now that person no longer has it in his possession. Piracy on the other hand, you make a copy of something, that is normally paid for. For free.
I'm not saying that piracy is a good thing, well, that depends on what and who you pirate, but it's not theft.
Thomas Noname. Pirating = stealing/thief
This is a valid point because people like myself who had to try lot of software often. Some times lot of similar software has to be paid just to try. I use pirated ones initially. After that I buy which one works best for me in the next version.
Kinda crazy how many people disliked this video. This is a HIGH SCHOOLER giving a ted talk, and it wasn't half bad! Hats off to this guy!
People disliked the argument not the Ted Talk. I disagree that this ted talk deserves to be made fun of, but the overall argument is another matter
Unfortunately it doesnt matter how hard you work or how good you your game is. At the end of the day money is decided by popularity. You need to build an audience first then money will come. The question is does pirating help creator build audience?
No it doesn't because pirates will go after anyone. If it's on steam then it doesn't matter who made the game whether it's a big corporation making a triple A game or a small indie dev getting started in game design It's getting pirated. Plus it's human nature to want to take things without paying for them (Stealing) and it's human nature to constantly do it if you can get away with it.
Yes, it does bring some free advertisement for them, so yeah, there'll be a higher chance that people which can afford the original product can come and pay for it.
Definetely, if I were to bring Windows os pirated copies in my office and give them for free to my coworkers, a lot of people would have Windows at that point. Which would bring to other people more exposure to this product and buy the said product
@@thereapermonkey8530 But its also human nature for humans to feel guilt and see value in things. There will be people that would be convinced that these goods or product is essentialy worth buying. Just like how tasting free samples could leave you a feeling of guilt by not buying the product or how you were convince that this product was actually good
@@pretzela318 that is the reason windows is so popular people who can't afford it would pirate it and then once they afford it they would buy it if Microsoft had out anti piracy practices Linux would be more popular
So you're point is "I spent half a work week making a video game and realized that it's hard. Therefore, piracy is categorically unethical"
Despite the fact unless it's an indie game or a worker co-op situation like Tonight we riot the workers don't get effected by your actions. And most pirates still pay for their indie games.
@@stm7810
Workers are 100% affected by lost sales. That may just mean no new employees get hired, or it may mean the studio has to downsize. Money doesn't just appear and disappear like magic, it always comes from somewhere and goes somewhere. If nobody bought games, nobody would make games.
@@Henriburger1 Sales do not corolate to worker conditions, Jim Sterling has many videos explaining this, or you could just pay attention to the fact Bobby Cottic exists.
@@Henriburger1 yet people are buying games so they do make money
@@Henriburger1, pirated software and lost sale are two different, poorly-correlated things.
PC gaming got cheaper in recent years. Thanks to bundle websites who offers games for cheap directly from game developers.
Some game developers suggests to pirate their game instead supporting gray market stores where games are really cheap.
that didn't age well
I got to say Spotify hit the nail on the head with its service, the Steam Store is nest and now Xbox Gamepass. All these services causes people to pay instead of pirate content because of ease of use and the piles of good content.
another thing that will stop piracy is actual ownership digital and all and bring back physical
Guys, he’s just a senior in high school. He was probably pacing back and forth because he was nervous. I’m sure most of the people in this comment section can’t say they’ve ever gotten up in front of a crowd of people to educate them on anything. I’m proud of him for having the courage to get up there. y’all should be congratulating him rather than picking on him.
Congratulations, you just won the "overusing the word honestly" award, but unfortunatelt you came second for the "probably" and "basically" awards
Tarek Amr Congrats, picking on a high school kid from behind a computer screen.
Oh, get a life, amr!
who got first?
Shut up! Piracy is a rampant epidemic in the Middle East.
lol
I wish he would’ve brought up how piracy is actually good because it gives access to experiences people who couldn’t afford them or how he grew to love video games because of piracy and how it sparked his love for game development.
Yeah
That's YOUR experience
This very mentality is why US has a very high crime rate.
Piracy can also function as a free marketing as a first step to expand a fandom especially in poorer countries, that's mostly likely the biggest reason stuff like anime culture outside of japan is as big as it is. Similar principle also applies to f2p games.
Pirating Drake’s new single might not hurt him, but pirating Drake’s new single is killing low level musicians. Since Drake can’t sell his single and has to stream it, so does everyone else. Small time musicians make nothing off streams. 600k streams on Spotify gets you $2000. Piracy has killed the music industry for most musicians.
Somebody give this guy some water pls
Honestly, he says honestly a lot. a great lesson, thanks.
He was obviously really nervous, but he held it together fairly well. Respect.
ONCE A PIRATE, WILL ALWAYS BE A PIRATE. FOREVER.
yep
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For all time.
@@seven_of_aces always
unless if they repent and deleted tha pirated content that they've downloaded . Then they are not pirate anymore
Imagine someone develops a machine which can take a loaf of bread and for just a single penny produce million loafs of bread. This machine is manufactured and installed all around the world. It can also work remotely: You can put a single loaf of bread in one of them and then anyone around the world can get perfect reproduction of that loaf for next to nothing.
In such a word, is it wrong to let anyone suffer hunger?
Moral implications of piracy are numerous. Sadly this talk touched on only the most trivial one of them.
What about the people that make that bread in the first place?
@@barioneaccidioso3804 get another job? besides its not like their starving with their multi million dollar companies. if it really was so bad they would stop making movies and games but they still are making them
morality and being illegal are separate thing.
You're missing a key part in the bread example.
The "bread" or products in real life do not materialize out of thin air. Behind every loaf is the real time and effort of real people. These people use their time to make the bread that gets put into the machine to multiply it.
If you only take the bread that comes out of the machine and put it back in, you will never get a new type of bread. You're stuck with the same bread forever.
To create a product, you need money. Duplicating can be free. Unfortunately duplicating does nothing for improvement.
@@TunaIRL Why can't the bread makers just sell like most products and make their fair due? Why do they need to restrict and control the ability of other to remake their bread like a fascist?
I agree somewhat with his argument, BUT, here is the kicker:
Just because you spent a lot of time and money creating something, does not mean I am obliged to pay for it. The market decides the price for your product.
There are millions of people, every year, inventing new products, and building them. Just look at the TV show Dragons den. How many of those entrepreneurs get their invention / product invested and funded? While some succeed, most will not.
So, no. You putting in a lot of time and effort into something is not a guarantee that you will make even a cent of revenue of that something.
Instead of being a victim, please see the possibilities. Be creative. I have four questions for you, and if you can answer these in a manner I find satisfactory, then I will pay for your game:
1. Value - What do I get for giving you my money, versus pirating?
2. Convenience - Can you guarantee I spend less time getting your game to run than it takes for me to pirate it?
3. Availability - Will I be able to play your game 5, 10 or 50 years from now?
4. Privacy - Do your game in any way reveal any information about me if I run it, intentionally or otherwise?
Per Ekström he never said you’re obæiged to pay for it.
In my opinion, availability and pricing is the biggest reason. Game boy advance cartridges stopped being manufactured years ago, does that mean I can't play any GBA games anymore and they are just lost to time? That's just unfair
@Neko Koshaichi I find your answers satisfactory for everything but value... You do have several options even for single player games there though.
- Support
- Perks
- DLCs and mini-packs with costumes/levels/campaigns
- Perhaps physical copies or merch like coasters, limited-run T-shirts or other tangibles
Above all I feel convenience is key - if legit is more convenient than piracy, I will pay for it if it is within my means. However, if I pay for stuff that I then still have to spend a significant effort to get working even without piracy, I will be kinda pissed. :)
I've made my own video game from scratch too. It's only 1 level and kinda low quality, but I gave it away for free. This kid is just being greedy. It's not like mowing a lawn for free. It's like creating art for yourself and allowing another to enjoy it with you.
I hate comparisons to physical acts like mowing the lawn, especially when it costs next to nothing to reproduce and pirate intellectual property. The plight of indie devs is the result of the short-comings of the market to give them compensation, not the lack of moral integrity for people pirating their creations.
Also in cases of Indie games where the artist needs the money like NeoFeud (great game, would recomend so long as the occasional short burst of flashing lights isn't a problem, pirates still pay because we tend to have the lense necessary to recognise our fellow workers.
@@CommieHamiHa Yeah, as always, the problem is capitalism.
@@erincarson8998 The state exists to defend capitalism, capitalism is why copyright laws exist with Disney having worked to extend the system to abserdity for the sake of profits. no one should be allowed to own an idea.
@Neko Koshaichi How can someone truely be the originator of an idea? the human brain is not a magic box creating something from nothing, we see what's around us and make simple combinations/subtractions, like combining human with non-human to get most super heroes and villains like spiderman, cyborg, doctor octopus etc. with all games pulling from the same libraries of mechanics, narrative short hand etc. Also depending on the ideas of other people, should every game that contains shooting pay the creator of DUEL or Space invadors? or every game with a grizzled straight white cis man in his 30s as the protagonist pay the first guy to have no imagination?
Looks like we have some Toastmasters in the comments section
I talk he is there to talk, but Walk exercising as well
wish i can pirate a mac book
Prod Winson wish I can pirate a good life
Wish i can pirate a girlfriend
@@leefless2004 You can, it's called choking the chicken.
@@X8551516 wut
@@X8551516 That't darkly sad.
Piracy is ILLEGAL but who's gonna stop me from pirating movies? The police come on
FBI FBI OPEN UP
well here's the issue people are just gonna use this more of an excuse to spy on everyone and make sure nobody has pirated software and we already have massive privacy violations to this day.
I have talked to the police and they said they are not the piracy police
yeah they never do anything
No.. but the people who made the movies will.
I find it funny how he overused the words "honestly" and "illegal".
Trust me, people don't play because just trying to live costs a lot as it is so trying to keep up with our favorite hobbies isn't something everyone (most of us) can afford. Of course at that point, you can't do anything about it other than just say "it's wrong guys".
Doesn’t matter, If they can afford a PC, then they can definitely buy a game. You can’t have everything now. You have to work for it.
Bobby Carroll why would you buy a game if you could have it for free. It isnt a money problem, which it can be btw.
So long as we are trapped in a capitalist system we will need to pirate.
@@dzorua151 Why would you pirate when you'll eventually Pay more than the games price thanks to fines
@@bobbycarroll7161 That doesn't make any sense, just because someone bought a PC for them, doesn't mean they'll have money to buy another PC.
Don't pirate from indies or individual content creators. Support them as that may be their main/big part of their source of income.
Big conglomerates or corporations? I won't stop you.
Nah, pirate everyone or you're just being hipocrite. Work is work, doesn't matter if it is made by artists at Disney or someone random on twitter doing generic ilustrations.
@@F3eeerr This. Thousands of man-hours go into a game no matter who made it; The size of the company is irrelevent. Does a game made by 20 people vs a game made by 200 mean that the team of 20 somehow just worked 10x harder? Does it mean they are just arbitrarily more passionate about their game? What about a person who gets hired by a big company after doing indie work? Are their skills now just inherently not worth compensation simply because they have a bigger boss?
Trying to determine piracy by the size of a company is just an arbitrary means of assigning morality to an ingerently amoral act.
@@Dramatic_Gamingthat inde dev who got hired by a conglomerate will get paid no matter the results if (lets say) he alongside 200 people develop a game during 3 years in that corp the mentioned corp cant wait till they game makes profit so it can finally pay them 3 years worth of work (the giant corpo would like to do that but it cant), even if the game made 0 profit due to being only pirated the corp will still had to pay rheir employees during the 3 year dev cycle, unlike an indie dev whihc in the worst case the succes or fauiler of said game is eveything that they will have
Everybody knows that digital piracy is not stealing at this point regardless of how many times you call it stealing.
Arguabl
Arguably, the internet paved the way for piracy. Nternet access costs money , but since it is an open fotum, whether or not to pay for content is sa more elastic and much less "fixed" idea than it used to be.
@@danmeyer114 i mean i dont really like judging grammar and i think there is just too much wrong
"You wouldn't steal a car, you shouldn't pirate a movie". Piracy is closer to you getting your car stolen, but it's actully still in there, it's still in pristine condition it's not been touched. However now car dealerships have a little bit leverage in how they can economically abuse you.
@@sabikikasuko6636
Piracy is like everyone in your village deciding to pay to have a stream diverted to bring them fresh and clean water, and finally after months of work it is completed. Everyone enjoys the fresh water and feels good about it, then you decide you want some too. You didn't fund it, you didn't contribute, but still you feel entitled to it. After having given nothing to help you take from it anyways, and even though taking some leaves no less for everyone else, its still wrong. You give nothing, yet feel like you deserve it anyways. Your just better than all those losers who contributed to it, because you were so galaxy brain smart as to not give anything in return.
As much as i don't want to condone it, I have to. If it wasnt for piracy and "Stealing" (making copies of media and sending it to your friends isnt stealing, Trying to sell the media as your own is stealing by law, not by my opinion) you wouldnt have known about nearly half of the art, games, and music you consume. It wasn't Me by Shaggy was pirated by a radio DJ because the label thought the song was such a flop that it wasnt worth saving for an archive of the labels history. If that DJ didnt rip the song from the internet, the song wouldve never gotten popular. no one wouldve played it on the radio because they GAVE the album to radio stations to play.
You wouldnt know about the game Terrerria being as big of a name as it is now. If it wasnt for Japanese people dumping the game to online services, Americans wouldnt have had the chance to make an uproar about a region locked game that they wanted.
I can give you tons of more examples of how piracy is actually a good thing for communities to be aware of things that exist that they might like. The fact of the matter is, Companies dont want you to make copies of their media. That makes them lose money (in the short term, though theres evidence to support that in the long run, piracy actually makes these companies more money in the long run but i digress) and they need that money to stay afloat. But you can not argue that without piracy, we wouldnt know about half the media, games, and art we know today. Piracy, while damaging, is important for history. We should be allowed the right to preserve media for histories sake.
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Being wrong and being illegal are barely correlated, and never with regard to copyright. Copyright is immoral. Knowledge and creativity are the public commons.
Save yourself from watching the video-it's a puff piece telling us piracy is wrong.
I mean, his point kinda works for indie games, it should be a thing prioritizing the money for indies but his argument falls apart with bigger companies.
@@TioRata, not exactly. Chances are that someone who pirated an indie game wouldn’t buy it anyway. For better or worse, the best indie developers can do is engage with the community and hope for the best.
@@mina86 That's actually a good point too because real pirates won't buy the legit product anyways, but I was referring about people who buys and pirates.
Umm does he have to pee?
Fun fact, game piracy is not a big issue when it comes to the gaming industry. The games the make the most money these days are always online, as in an Online Service game. Which means, the only way to play that online Service game, is to pay for it.
If the game has a single player story, that is separate from the online part of the game, then you might be able to play the single player, like GTA5 and Red Dead Redemption 2.
But if you pirate games like that, you CANNOT play online, it won't let you. Piracy can't bypass the online checks since it's server sided.
Games like Destiny 2 and Division 2 cannot be pirated, because those games are completely online, they cannot be played offline at all. When you start those games up, you must login to the servers to play. There is no offline mode.
who would pirate destiny 2 ?! its already for free XD
People pirate world of warcraft if they wanted too they can make their own server
Piracy allows poor talented driven people the opportunity to learn.a skillset with.advance softwares and can over the years just afford to buy a pc or get one free to become skilled and start working for themselves
Piracy is not wrong. Counterfeiting and reusing is wrong.
Piracy is alright if u live in a very poor place with no money and can’t afford it and
Probably my favorite. TedTalk. I ever heard. Honestly.
Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth....
Hmmm im seeing a pattern here
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Why internet piracy is increasing again after it has been declining for years? The answer is Corporatism. People pay to watch movies and TV shows, not ads, what did they do? They want you to pay more just to remove ads, that's GREED.
yes but mowing your customer's lawn 50 years ago and still receiving money from it is pretty shady and society is okay with it. Jeez
WRONG.
Online piracy is LEGAL.
Always HAS been. Always WILL be. Those who say otherwise are lying, and if they are corpo and/or government, they are committing a felony.
Jesus Chrust... even the students in my university can present better than this guy.
Its not taking if they don't lose anything.
It's never wrong
What if it were the case where piracy is an act of revenge on Nintendo for what they did to fans
This comment section is absolutely appalling I'll say that. This guy is giving an honest opinion and his thoughts and people are mocking him while trying to justify piracy as being acceptable.
he honestly is
honestly!
well it is, have you ever been broke or disabled? I can't afford this stuff if I wanted to.
Piracy is a big grey area, sometimes is good, sometimes is not that good, sometimes is bad, it depends on each person.
You wouldn't steal a car....
Did that ad not work?
Well when someone is financially free to purchase the item which he/she can buy then pirating that product is not a good thing, but when your financial situation is not as good or you don't live in 1st world countries like US and EU, its pretty hard to get the stuff, hence piracy is the only option.
And I can't afford the experience of a yacht. There's no yachts around me but thanks to you I now know it's morally right to steal it because I can't buy it :)
pirate regardless of you financial situation. none of these companies deserve money anymore. they are all bloated industries that would rather manipulate audiences than improve on the situation.
@@lemiureelemiur3997 if you pirate software, the owner retains the original copy, you are not taking away anything from the person. The imaginary yatch which you would be stealing will result in the owner into losing his yatch, but pirating is like a wizard's spell which would copy the yatch while retaining the original yatch.
@@lemiureelemiur3997Piracy is not stealing
@@icyjaamPiracy is actually a fundamental human right. Imagine all these creators benefitting from technology to reproduce their works, and yet throwing a tantrum when common users use technology to copy their works 😂
It's okay if it's a company, (a big one) Valve does not even make games anymore.
So wait... ok so when I was little, my mom would buy movies for us from this one lady and none of us had no clue that the lady pirated them, they’re pretty much recordings of movies that are still in theaters. Does that mean that my mom and I were in the wrong for this because the lady technically recorded the movies and sold it to people... I don’t know... my mom doesn’t do that anymore and just gets Disney + or whatever
Ignorance is a bliss they say. Having no awareness to the situation may justify your actions. Like how you would stop subscribing to this service, if these were their work ethics
It isn’t your fault. The same reason watching full films on UA-cam for free isn’t wrong. You cannot tell if it is pirated.
No.. According to that logic if someone records a person doing a PIE or a cake. Then Imitates and sell the Pie in the "same way". Is it theft?? NO
One of the few ted talks I don't like at all. The kid lost me completely when he said it's like not getting paid for mowing a lawn. These are products already made and on one promised them money like in his example. No one loses anything by pirating they just lost out on what could have been.
The Wild Weirdo If you invest time and money in making a game and everyone just pirate it, we'll get the fruits of your labor and you get nothing, in fact you lose the entirety of your investment.
@@1bol1 No.
@@Yotsuga Yes.
@@1bol1, if you invest time and money in making a game and no one buys or pirates it you ‘loose the entirety of your investmen’t as well. When you develop a game you were never promised any money in return. When someone pirates your game you don’t loose anything since you still have your game. In comparison, if someone goes to your house and steals some money you actually loose something. This is why comparing pirating to stealing doesn’t work.
You are not costing the industry anything if you have no money in the first place
Are people really this late?
I used to pirate games because college costed 55k/year.
Now I've went back and bought all of those games, even if I don't play them. I've also introduced my friends to them.
Yawn 😴 rich sympathizers
it's thanks to rich people and capitalism that whatever device you typed this on exists, also thanks to "rich people" you we're able to take a photo of yourself and edit it, It's also thanks to capitalism youtube exists and all social media sites exists, it's also thanks to capitalism that the server exists for you to post this comment. Might wanna thank "rich people"
3:03 The sound that a spider makes when crawling on a poster
Lmao tf😂
The world revolves around money, if somethings ethically wrong especially considering piracy for your own; non profitable use is legal. Profiting off some ones hard work is copyright and that is highly illegal and I 100% agree they should be punished, but theres no stopping piracy.
Just a user it's not illegal to use pirated software, it is illegal to upload, sell or profit of pirated software
Tetris is an interesting example to use considering the amount of copyright conspiracy around its development
wonder if his back and forth pacing is some cope for nervousness or anxiety... pretty uncomfortable to watch oof
Not so wrong Cause like If they dont pirate
They dont buy too
And if they pirate the least good thing they do is expand the fanbase
Thats my logic atleast
No. Piracy is not stealing.
You are not subtracting ANYTHING from anyone.
It is not stealing because it is not a scarce resource. It is not like going to someone's house, cleaning and not getting payed, because softeares, unlike your labor of cleaning, are not scarce. You were subtracted of your labor, but that does not happen on software.
You just can't have property over a pattern of zeros in someone's HD, this what you do is violation of private property and therefore antiethic.
I see, you develop games, your model of business doesn't work because of piracy, you cant adust yourself to the market and now you want the market to adjust to you.
Great, great.
(not really)
Milosh Flanders Yes it is.
Movies released to theaters and persons using illegal recordings that are uploaded so other persons don't have to pay money to see how it how it was intended in theaters is stealing from persons that made the damn movie
Milosh Flanders Yes it is subtracting. If you invest money and time in making a game, and I just pirate it, then I get the fruits of your labor and you get nothing.
Milosh - Ok, so take a small tree. It's not scarce, there are billions of them around. Now cut it down and spend the next 6 months making a magnificent sculpture out of that tree trunk. Then one night a friend goes into your house for dinner, sees your sculpture and takes it away from you claiming 'it's just a tree, it's wood, it's not scarce'. How would you feel?
You see, the difference is not in the stuff something is made of (wood, metal, stone, digital ones and zeros), but on how much ENERGY someone put into transforming a vulgar/raw thing into something else that you would actually want to own. The creative energy required to make THAT PARTICULAR WOODEN SCULPTURE *is* scarce, in fact, it is *UNIQUE* because, of all the people in the world, only *YOU* could have made it *EXACTLY* like that. Another person with the same tree trunk would have created something entirely different (or even nothing at all).
People like to rationalize software piracy by coming up with all sort of excuses, one of them being that 'nothing physical was subtracted'. But you see, everything is made of energy, even physical objects. It's that energy that keeps the world flowing, it's the common denominator to EVERYTHING. The labor of someone mowing your lawn or cleaning your house IS the energy they spent doing so - and they expect to be paid for it, and rightly so.
So, when you pirate software without paying for it, you might not be stealing something material, but you are definitely stealing *something* i.e.; taking another person's property without permission or legal right. That property, in the case of software, is the energy they invested on creating the thing you just took without their permission, legal right, and proper retribution.
It is stealing. You are unlawfully taking someone's intellectual property. Copying intellectual property is equivalent to stealing physical goods.
@@JcRabbit, ‘so take a small tree. It's not scarce, there are billions of them around. Now cut it down and spend the next 6 months making a magnificent sculpture out of that tree trunk. Then one night a friend goes into your house for dinner, sees your sculpture and takes it away from you claiming 'it's just a tree, it's wood, it's not scarce'. How would you feel? ’
This is a false comparison. The correct comparison is that one night a friend goes into your house and makes a perfect copy of the sculpture leaving you the original. You’ve lost nothing since you still have the sculpture.
‘People like to rationalize software piracy’
This is not about rationalising software piracy. No one is claiming software piracy is legal. It is, however, fundamentally different from stealing (and in fact legal language reflects that).
‘So, when you pirate software without paying for it, you might not be stealing something material, but you are definitely stealing something i.e.; taking another person's property without permission or legal right.’
No, you’re not *taking* another person’s property. You are creating a copy without permission or legal right.
I love stealing content, I even pirated this video.
Now I don't feel bad for pirating
I have never felt bad
Its our choice to buy them if we want. Its out choice to pirate them if we want. Those who don't like it, don't do it and shut up.
Simple.
Not really its illegal but I don't care.
Friendly reminder: pirating adobe software is always morally correct.
TED talks have imo become one of the most cringeworthy things to watch on the internet. The Problem is not that someone is presenting something on a stage. The Problem is that the cult around Ted talks have established the idea that People that hold Ted talks need to represent this ideal of a charismatic and funny genius making people try and force themselves to act completely unnatural.
In Bangladesh, everybody is a pirate
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The things i’d normally pay for, i buy. The things I wouldn’t normally buy, i pirate.
I’m ok with that.
The argument about hard work and getting paid, might work for indie devs, and the like..
But it feels like it falls quite a bit short if youre talking about a big publisher like EA, cause is the Devs even getting the money people spend on the game? on the Microtransactions?
I dont think they do from what i know they dont get any split of gamesales or microtransactions insted they get a monthley slarey that does not get affected by if the game sells or not someties it does tho
It doesn't matter if they worked hard, the game they are selling has 0 scarcity and infinite supply and can be infinitely copy and pasted unless put into physical form, even then the physical form is the only thing with scarcity or financial worth. Paying for digital distribution is nothing more than giving a company a donation, and the companies don't even have the decency to admit it.
There are different types of transactions, b2b, b2c, employee to employer and vice versa, services that consume time which is finite, etc.
If you were to commission a studio to make a game then you would be paying for their time which is finite.
I'm not a fan of indie devs, we all know big publishers like EA are bad but people pretend like indie devs are good when indie devs were a big part in the push for digital distribution.
Micro transactions are only possible in their current form because of digital distribution.
well big companies like EA own a business and hold a ton of jobs specifically off of making video games. we wouldn't have such high video game prices or have all this DRM or have a huge cheater problem in video games if piracy didn't exist. When you lose money in a business you have to make up for it somehow and sadly microtransactions are how they're doing it. Not that they want to do it but they have to do something because again they hold a ton of jobs and they make their living specifically off publishing games and selling them, DRM is specifically to prevent piracy, we can argue all day long it doesn't work but at the end of the day they have to do something, not to mention if a hacker gets banned off a game they can just get a cracked version and get back in
In short no, companies will make it very hard for you to pay for it. Then complain that people pirate it. Why would you make it unavailable? This rare British series I like is available for $200 and it turns out the rights holder no longer sells it, it cannot be pirated, whenever it gets uploaded to UA-cam it gets taken down by the rights holders. Basically it turns out the only way to get it is to steal a copy from the library.
steal A Copy?? steal a copy who was bought before is NOT theft
whos worried about this when the real world is far far worse. should it be illegal for companies to sell a game for 60 bucks then 50 to play online then you have to buy stuff in the game... im sure these people have plenty of money and arent being hurt as bad as it is to go after a kid with nothing that will ruin their lives potentially
i just got the letter they are not playing
If you get a copyright infringement letter, just Ignore it. Don't reply to it in anyway and Nothing will happen. they are just overblown scare tactics.
But they don't have one guy making all their games. They have a huge team of people who will get things done.
And yet, those devs and team were like those animators in animation industry.
They pour their passions and soul to make an animated film. Even they were a huge team, the pain and stress are huge too.
Same goes to dev team who worked on a huge project. But I think making a really big games is much harder than doing animated film
Wow i am hypnotised by the forward and backward movement
"Honestly"
this taught me absolutely nothing. it was just a 7 minute wait for a 1 minute plug of his game
I pirated songs since the 90s lol taping songs off the radio. 😆 still do. Yes I know Spotify is around. But I can tape songs for free. Lmao
It's impossible. How would you not arrested?
Spotify is free dog. Soundcloud is also free.
Taping songs off the radio is legal. Not sure it is for Spotify though.
The ending is correct you are stealing someone's work but imagine it big corporations that make millions and millions of dollars and we are giving them money when we have so little more when they have millions
Just because it is a big corporation with a lot of money doesn't make it okay. Have you seen how expensive AAA games are to develop? If their games don't sell well, they'll stop making the games you like.
@@AWISECROW it is okay...most pirates wouldnt buy the product either (too expensive, not good enough, no real intrest and so on) they just use it because its for free, and if its good some of them even buy the product because they want the original. Ripped Photoshop years ago, just because i wanted to play around a lil bit (but over 100€ just for testing? No thanks!) after i have become good and understand the program i bought the original version....
@@yootoobecansoogmiballs8735 I fully support piracy with video games, but only if it's not available to purchase anywhere legitimately, or without great expense. and/or they are games that are not from the current generation being sold retail I.e. old stuff. Movies, TV same.
Copyright law is broken. The 1920’s Disney cartoons aren’t supposed to be only in public domain by 2120. It is clearly too long.
This dude going one step forward and then one step back is irritating me
I pirate because if pirating wasn't an option, I wouldn't buy the game. Is that really unethical?
In my experience. People pirate for 1 or both of these 2 reasons.
1) There poor. This one is kind of an obvious one. Video Games are expensive, music is expensive, movies are expensive. Oh, but what about spotify? Your not buying the music are you? Some people want to own there music. Streaming services are temporary. You only keep the media for as long as you pay for it. And the same goes for games on Steam. Ever thought what will happen to your game library when valve goes out of business?
2) They value there privacy. When we can't pay for online media using crypto currency and we also have to give over personal details such as name, email, 3 security questions, where we live, etc etc. This makes advocates of Digital Privacy uncomfortable. I'd rather not get into a debate about why Privacy is important. But lets just say that it is.
When I was younger I pirated a lot of content for the first reason. Now that I'm older I have bought a lot of the games that I once pirated. Mainly because they were indie games and I want to support the developers.
However I still torrent Music and Movies. (Oh but what about the people who are losing money...)
Do you guys know how much money artists make from streaming services? If you genuinely want to support an artist for there music. Go buy a physical copy of there music. Or buy the music from bandcamp. I only torrent music and movies from companies that are not going to lose money.
This whole argument about companies losing money because you are stealing makes no sense. I am making a copy of there movie or song. Between torrenting Avengers Endgame and paying for a streaming service. I would chose torrenting. If I can't torrent it then I wouldn't watch it. Has the company lost money? I would not pay for the streaming service due to the second reason listed above. There not losing money.
Also please don't assume I'm angry. I'm willing to engage on discussion of this topic. I'm also a musician who has many artist friends.
What's so hard about foregoing a certain kind of entertainment if you can't afford it? You realize how many zillions of free and legal entertainment options are out there right now? My internet service comes with Peacock and there's enough wrestling content on there to keep me watching for decades.
Most pirates have money for a decent gfx card BUT don't have the money for games......got it.
If it would have been possible to pirate a gfx card they would have done that as well using the same justification.
In my experience game repacks have a HUGE advantage over legal games from gog or steam.....and that is the OPTION to download ONLY the files that you want and nothing more....thus hugely reducing the download bandwidth and resulting in storage space saving.
Also with a repack you get a COMPLETE setup that is COMPLETELY offline, instead of the crazy method of forcing the player to launch the game through steam, while online and then going offline.
You get to keep the game files yours without jumping through the company hoop.
Why should we care for a tetris clone?
its an 80s game... in a fair world it should be puplic domain by now.
Companies love to shame piracy, but are incredibly silent on the abusive copyright extensions they cheat out of the system.
Why not just pay for something you want? Or find something else to do that's free?
@@theboombody is the original tetris still being sold by the original developers?, or is it a resaler who isn't going to give a single cent to the devs?
honestly!
so $50 is fair for a game that developers, who most of them work on a payroll, devellop and where the company earns multi millions on ??? how about making it costs less so its non profitable for consumers to use piracy.... same for movie industry, lets say if you could watch movies at home for 1$ each then why should anyone use torrents and risk the fine ?
I mean i get what he is saying but the problem is with the companies who want to earn multi million over 1 product... thats why the price is so high and thats why piracy exists....
They have all consented their labor to a business in exchange for a price. The owner invested all the time to pay for the buildings, computers, electricity, etc and he's having his employees make a game to pay for all it and their paycheck and if they do not like the job they can. Thanks to piracy that has actually eliminated a ton of jobs. Piracy is the reason we have to put up with all this DRM, microtransactions, Paywalls and high prices because when you're losing money in a business you gotta make up for it somehow. Yes it's not the best Idea but that's what happens. Also not to mention it's thanks to piracy that video games have a huge hacking problem because once these players get banned they can just get another cracked version of the game and cheat.
Also most people who torrent don't get a fine because the problem is so widespread the police can't catch them all. Also if there's a free route and a way to steal and get away with it human nature will always take the free route. So no it's not these giant companies that are the problem it's piracy itself that's the problem because we wouldn't have these issues if piracy didn't exist
@@thereapermonkey8530Natural selection.
Fairlight !
If its accecible,its legal
Technically wrong. Practically it is in a grey zone.
Stay still ffs
its neighter right or wrong kinda like tickling someone you can either like being tickled or not
Is this the incel?
He got on ted i think hes fine. Also i dont think you know what the word means because it has nothing to do with being an incel.
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I am uninstalling youtube vanced and spotify cracked after watching this video....
There like 15-29 hours wow it can take years to make a game
districts pirate too
I bought all of the games I love. But why would I buy something I wouldn't pay anyway due to lack of money or because I don't find the game all that interesting? that's when I pirate games.
You pirate games you are not interested in?
Then why play game in the first place?
Just an excuses.
@@KingPingviini I said "all that interesting" not "not interesting at all"
I can play them when I'm bored but I wouldn't pay for it even if I couldn't pirate it, therfore the developer isn't losing anything.
When I really like the game and have money for it, I always buy it.
Examples - the original Warcraft 3, Rayman 3, most of Trackmania games. I bought all of those because I'm a huge fan of them and play them all the time. It would be wrong to pirate them when the developer earned my money. No excuses here, just a reality.
@@KingPingviiniit's not uncommon to not play pirated games
This is a dummy here he wants us to pay 60 dollars
if nobody paid u wouldnt be able to pirate, so you just piggybacking on good honest people, congrats.
Terrible
For a product you can rightfully refuse to pay.
TLDR - Screw the video, just listen here. PIRACY is the best way TO FIGHT GREED.
Example, when a company like EA or Rockstar makes games like StarWars Battlefront and GTA Online designed to put the consumer at a severe disadvantage by exploiting their natural human behavior, they should be SEVERELY punished. This is simply achieved by allowing their content to be pirated until the problem is resolved.
Just imagine a world where a government makes pirating 100% legal in certain scenarios where businesses create content designed to purely rip off customers. That's a damn effective tool to get companies to stop exploiting customers.
Put those rules into law so they are effective and fast. No need for lawyers when the law says if they get greedy you can pirate it. Easier than setting up fines and going through arduous court process just to get a fair result.
There are other good pirating scenarios. i.e. you already purchased the song/movie/game but broke the cd or lost it and it's not available for purchase/discontinued. You already paid, so you're not really pirating if you just manage to find a way to get your copy back in your hands.
Last good argument for pirating is for review/demo purposes if it's something that you'd normally have to buy just to see if you are going to like it because you can't tell what you're buying otherwise. (deli grocery stores work like this for example, at the deli you get a small free sample to taste before you buy).
Pirating for the sole purpose of saving a $, that's bad, don't do that, if you like it, buy it.
it's thanks to the outcome of creating their games and their business that their games exists in the first place. If you don't like the game or the price is too high then you don't purchase the game and purchase a different game that suits your needs (Thanks to the competition of capitalism).
If companies rip off customers then customers just leave and not buy their products ever again (That's why people are leaving verizon and AT&T because they lie to people and rip people off and go to T-mobile)
EVeryone would just pirate games and nobody would be making big triple A games anymore, not to mention the hacking issue in multiplayer games would be worse because if they get banned they simply get another cracked version of the game
that's probably your only good argument specifically for discontinued games however if you do lose a product somehow it's your own fault (If you buy a handheld game console and left it at the park it's your own fault.)
Yeah well that's not always the scenerio in most cases they're just gonna take the free product without paying for it (Because that's just human nature). Also most games if you don't like you can refund in a certain amount of time.
you may go by that but most people don't.
One could argue "everything is free and everyone should have a right to it" but I'm of the opinion that under circumstances it is justifiable and if you can pay for products such as movies or music or video games you should otherwise I am of the opinion if you are smart enough to acquire these things without being caught, go right ahead, but dont be surprised when the consequences come
honestly
Of course.
I pirated DWTD TAOSO then I bought the CD
It must be associated with maritime piracy , that is why the name ...
You are paying money for the thing you are enjoying so that hopefully the person that made said thing will make more. Money in exchange for goods and services. It's the basics of an economy.
You like pirating stuff, then I hope you like working for nothing. Because that is what you are supporting.
I pirate games to demo, many games wouldn't have gotten my purchase if I wasn't able to test them before buying them.
@@tomtravis858 This! Cant count how many games i bought after i pirate tested them ;D
It doesn't always mean that. Yes, there are some people who don't want to pay in exchange for goods and services, but not everyone is a freebooter. Such basics of an economy is fundamentally ruined when the good you exchange your money for has some DRM that doesn't allow you to play the game. There are also some instances of companies delisting games, which also means taking away games that you own.
Its true that these days, we work for nothing. But that's because, the companies can revoke the game that you spent an insufferable money on. There are other games that you want to replay again, but they suffer from disk rotting and aging of hardware.
Sure, if you pay money for the thing you're enjoying for now, it will go to the company. However, in 10-30 years, you will not be able to find that game anymore. They stopped selling and you have no choice but to pirate. They will not be losing money, because they no longer sold the game anymore. None of the money from ebay or craigslist goes to them
When I see Star Trek episodes that are available for sale on Amazon on UA-cam to be viewed free where does the guilt of piracy lay? And I don't being from a legal point of view we're not talking about lawyers in court right now we're talking about how UA-cam would feel if somebody came up with code that worked exactly like their code but written independently. Almost like IBM clone bios. Back of the day Phoenix created IBM clone bios that allowed independent manufacturers to make clone IBM PCS independently without knowing how the IBM bios was written just how it worked. Currently copyrighted works on UA-cam are legal as long as no one complains. I see copy's of encrypted DVDs on UA-cam all the time. Do I have the same protection for my PC in other words if I'm stopped and copyrighted material that is from a decryped DVD is found on my PC can I merely delete it and say sorry I did I didn't know was there I'll remove it and no harm done. Can I get a friend to put it onto my PC and say somebody else did it I didn't check to see if it was there I could have checked but I didn't so no harm done. My own opinion is that video on DVD or Blu-ray is too expensive but on the other hand it's copyrighted material and a person should not steal it. The workaround is buying the movies used either out of thrift store or at a used store and not paying full price.