Good review. Totally agree people think 9mm has recoil of 115 but effectiveness of a 124 +p. I feel like .40 and maybe .45 the practice rounds are closer to the real thing.
True, but since handgun calibers are all similar in effectiveness due to modern tech and a 9mm variant of a handgun can hold more rounds than both a .40 and .45, it still is the best choice. The only real valid reason to use say .45 over the other two is strictly for suppression, since most loadings are already subsonic rather than having to buy special subsonic ammo.
@@douglasmcnay644not true at all HST 220 grain +P is an absolute death ray. Saying 147 grain 9mm and 230 grain .45 is the same is a joke. Daryyl Bolke who speaks on primary & secondary points out that he invested all of his departments UOF shootings and every shooting in which the 230 HST + P load was used, resulted in a one shot stop.
Check out Angel Alvarez. Shot 27 times (head included) by NYPD with 9mm and survived. Or Sgt Tim Gramins, hit a guy 14 times (2 head included) with a .45 and the guy was still alive when EMS got to the scene. Some people are just hard to kill, caliber aside. Excellent point about accountability. Very important. Love the channel man. Every time you mention being in 14 years in kick myself for my 5 year break in service. I'd be tied with you.
I was working at the ER when they brought the guy who got hit 14 times with .45 in. There was a ridiculous amount of blood in the room when the medical staff was done with him. We also had a guy who had 15 rounds of .40 dumped into his torso at close range. He was in ICU for months but survived. Also had a guy who got shot 6 times in the back (looked like 9mm) and ran like 6 or 7 blocks to the hospital. I could go on and on...
Yeah man, I almost got out a few times. But they're going to pay me. I am happy I stayed in for the most part, but to say it has been easy would be a massive lie. These last 4-5 years really tested me. Lots of soggy and spineless leadership. Makes my job hard. There are good ones out there, but damn if there isn't 9 bad ones before you get to one good one. I'm retiring AT 20 for sure.
Nobody talks about “luck” or chance. BG driving his car, shoots through the open passenger window with a 22 and hits his intended in the head. Intended drops dead with a bullet in his brain. Another guy rings the bell at the back door of the local PD. Reports he has been shot. Has five (5) 380 slugs in his chest cavity. None of them struck a vital organ. One guy gets shot in the abdomen with a 40SW. He survives. Another gets shot in the abdomen with a 22. The projectile strikes a rib and deflects nicking his aorta. He dies. Lots and lots of stories like that.
great overview! I love the whole semi-irrelevant size of user argument. Im 5 foot 2 around 164lbs and have always loved carrying my full sized USP 45 with no problems. Fits my hands and I carry it easily contrary to popular belief. However, if I feel like going out and about with thin clothing, I also love my FN 509C which oddly gets massive hate in the 9mm world.
Great video, thanks for posting. That ‘shadow 2’ thing you mentioned earlier, happened to me in 2019. A range officer let me try a mag out of his and I ended up buying one that same week. Speaking of rabbit holes; after the first time I paired a flush-fitting light to one of my guns, i got addicted and now new pistols have to be paired with a ‘matching’ light. Most recently a g34 gen5 mos and tlr-9. For context: I don’t shoot at night, or train, or any of that... I basically have a small, expensive hole-punch collection.
There is this idea that some seem to hold, that the technological and terminal performance improvements of bullets over the last thirty years have only improved the 9mm, as if the 45ACP was invisible to those same improvements. Thanks for the video.
Nice job! Agreed. I CCW a G17 gen 5, HST 124 +P, AIWB Darkstar Orion holster, Kore essentials belt, and Veddar mag holster. Furthermore, I find carrying a larger pistol is easier than a pee shooter
Two thoughts - 1.Thanks to modern ammo 380acp, 9mm, 38spl, 357 mag, 40 S&W, 44 spl, 44 mag, 10mm 45acp are all good self defense rounds. But some, the first three smaller ones, are more practical for every day carry by a civilian. Since before firearms existed , when men carried blades for EDC, man kind discovered that the ideal EDC weighed about two (2) pounds that is 32 oz and preferably less. Don't believe me, check the average weight of EDC swords or daggers. Just remember I'm not talking about military combat weapons. So for a comfortable EDC pistol that you are more likely to carry every day it is best to keep it as much under 32 oz as possible. Most gun makers list their guns unloaded weight so add about 1/2 oz per round on average to find approximate loaded weight of the weapon your considering for EDC. The lighter it is the better so long as you can shoot it comfortably and accurately with confidence. That said there is something to be said for cost of ammo and it's availability. The 9mm and 38sp are both cheaper per round and often easier to find than most of the other calibers. 2. I agree, always carry at least one reload and preferably two. Because even the best trained individual might panic and dump the first mag or cylinder of rounds spraying and praying they hit their attacker. I can't tell you how many cases I've worked or read about where the survivor said they didn't think to aim until they were reloading. Sometimes for the second or third time! When they finally remembered to aim they ended the battle in the following one to three shots. Plus some attackers are just very hard to stop, even with several solid hits to vital areas, regardless of caliber. I've read of cases where five or six rounds from a 44 magnums or12 gauge shotguns failed to immediately stop an attacker. Head shots were required. So remember, in a civilian shooting, it is not always the first to shoot but rather the first to aim who generally survives or wins. Practice the Mozambique Drill. Two to the chest one to the head. It was designed for such cases. A good variation of this is one to the pelvic area, one to the chest and one to the head. The pelvic area is the center of gravity, below the "vest" area and the slowest moving part of the body. A hit in the pelvic area is very painful and will often take a target off their feet or at least slow them down.
Haha, the same thing happened to me with the Shadow 2. Now I have the Shadow 2, the Tactical Sports Orange, and an SP-01 Tactical that I installed all of the Cajun Gunworks goodies in. They're all great, but if I had to keep just one, it would be the TSO.
Good video as always; I messed up on ammo for sure, I have a lot of 124 ball that I have bought to shoot target with but most of my SD ammo is mix and match Hornady 124 stuff. Finally have gotten some HST +P to test with and hopefully switch over to but it is total non-existent these days. I've done well on not buying gimmick guns but have just bought too many, P30sk, VP9, USP9 and tactical, G17, G19, G43, VP9sk, P365...blah blah blah. I did buy a FN 509 Tac used that had a Apex trigger and came with a X300 and RMR on it for the price of a new one. It may be unfair to call it a gimmick gun but everyone I had shoot it had problems with it and it felt like a toy compared to my HKs. Long story short, I took the RMR and Surefire off it for other projects and traded it in toward a O/U so my wife could go bird hunting with me. Great advice as always man and thank you!
I love your point on 9mm powders. The biggest argument I hear on 9mm is that the loads have come a long way......so has the 40 and 45!!!! THANK YOU. I like them all. I believe that best caliber is the caliber you shoot best.
Oh I’m glad you mentioned CZ in this video I just got my first cz handgun a couple months ago lol love the thing so far, I can’t get enough of it. It’s a P-01, or as some call it the 75 compact or whatever. Still need to get a USP at some point but they are so hard to find these days, might have to order one (or a p30, or p2000 for that matter) I’ve gotten the hammer fired DA/SA itch now. Still love my Walther I just haven’t been shooting it as much even though the trigger is right up there with the VP9. Kinda need to standardize brands some day and just stockpile magazines. You’re absolutely right about that. Too many people buy too many different guns and no interchangeability. On your point about ammo selection, I started reloading last year and found that I really love 147gr flat nose. I load it with a shot shell powder that also works for pistol, it’s a bit slower burning and stays subsonic. That ammo is stupid accurate and consistent. But carry ammo I have 124gr HST. Just such a proven round can’t go wrong with it. And easy to find locally! Ok now to finish watching your 45 video next 😁
@@navyman8903 It's one of the most copied designs in the world for a reason. (well, mainly because the Soviets didn't actually patent it so everyone was able to get away with copying it lol).
My brother, in the Office of the Navy, oops, I"m Marine Corps, but my point here is and is SOOOO damn simple, no matter what caliber, which I was expert in 9mm and 45 acp, in the Corps, if you practice enough in any caliber or platform, model, make, whatever, you won't go wrong, if you practice.
I'll be honest, I rarely carry a spare mag. When I do it's when I'm travelling out of state, in which case I'll have 2 or 3 spare mags ready for the road. 115grs for me are strictly range ammo, nothing else. Carry 124gr nickel-cased HPs in either an HK P2000 heavy LEM or Walther P99 in appendix, both with Mepro sights.
I want a USP Match in 9mm. I'll also take an Expert in 9mm. But I don't even think they are legal in California. So I have to stick to 45's. I have 4 now. One Elite, one FS, and two compacts.
They're great guns. They did make the CA compliant 10 round translucent jet funnel mags at one point. But good luck finding them. I can't find them anymore. But the 45's are excellent to shoot. HK's in 45 are always a blast to shoot. I've never fired a Match or Expert sadly. Held an Expert and almost bought it, but I was just about to transfer duty stations and needed to be smart with money.
I love my series 80 Colt M1991A1, 8+1 of 185 grain hollow points is a great set up. However, I normally carry a Glock 32c in 357Sig. I'm leaning on getting a 10mm though, I reload.
Honestly I went 9mm so I could get more ammo availability so I could train more. I agree with the more freedom seeds the better and it’s a lot easier to conceal 9mm and still be effective….and my family all have 9mm so being able to throw a box back and forth is handy.
👍🏻 good vid as usually. Not much to add. I’ve had so many really good 9mm pistols. Can’t have them all, can’t keep them all. Eventually I had to make a decision on what to run and keep.
When you said stupid gimmicky ammo for 9mm, I immediately thought of Fort Scott T.U.I. My local store got in boxes of that Fort Scott T.U.I. a year ago and it's collected dust the past year.
I went from 40 to a 9mm, and I have seen more positives than negatives. Yes, 40 will hit harder, but shot to shot is slower on the 40, by about 30%-40% slower in my experience. As you reposition your irons. 9mm is a good round. 40 is a solid one too, but if you don't rapid fire. I went with Beretta M9 and because of its inherent design, it is very light on recoil, as it has that pivot point. Metal frames are sexy, but will burn your hand like a chicken strip in the summer.
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One of the few videos on UA-cam that I can say, I agree with you 💯 What do you think of the Fort Scott Munitions 9mm tumbler rounds? When I travel to this non free state, hollow points are illegal.
Honestly I don't have experience with them, I've only recently seen them up for sale/being talked about. I've heard positives and negatives, but I don't have any experience with them, nor any of the guys I shoot with. Having an option is good, I feel like a dick recommending ammo for anything at this point.........because it's you get what you find. But that said, I would probably go 147 or 158 if ball rounds are all you can do. Most energy you can get.
Was wanting your thoughts on the self defense 9mm I have found. Grindhard ammo makes it in a 90gr solid copper fluted, 1350/ 364 ft-lbs along with Underwood ammo makes it a little hotter @ (1400/390ft-lb), not counting the hotter versions. The bullet looks like the tip of a Philips screw driver. According to a study I found called “DEFENSIVE HANDGUN AMMUNITION CHARACTERISTICS AND BULLET TYPES” they claim they performed the best v.s. hollow points and ball ammo. I worry about them being pretty fast and over penetration.
IT is indeed and I love it. That's a P30/VP9 mag. I don't have the 17 rounders yet but they're identical size. So they conceal well and are comfortable. The separate carries allow me to dress around them easier vs a sidecar for instance.
Lol I believe it. I will say I enjoyed my time with the PPQ I rented. I am interested in the Metal frame PPQ but have to finish a lot of other things before I even entertain it.
@@navyman8903 the price that the P320 AGX came in versus the Q5 Steel Frame made me take notice. I’m comfortable with the seven 9mms all with 2 mags each as it stands. LoL.
Hyper light for caliber. 9mm needs some ass too, not just insane velocity. Sometimes you have to go through glass or walls to hit something. 50gr ain't it. 124 +p or 147s for me.
I have two: a CZ-75 (pre B) that I've had for 40+ years and a CZ-75B Compact that I've had a few years. Both are very accurate, flawless performers. I like all my pistols, but the CZs are at the top of the heap. I'm glad I had the opportunity to Czech them out. I'm a believer.
You should do a video showing everything in your collection. I’ve watched a bunch of your gun reviews and you have a ton, even multiple of the same model 😂
I have pistols in 9mm, .40sw, and .45acp. It honestly depends on the day ( my attire and the weather) as to which one I carry. I honestly feel comfortable with all of them due to how long I’ve had them and the amount of ammo I have ran thru them.
@@Ghostrider-71 of course 45 acp will work on black bears. My brother finished a black bear off with a 1911. I'm sure 40 would do the same. Are there better options? Of course.
Please don't give me any hate, was new to guns nd didn't really have money so I just got what I could. But I run 115 grain for my glock 45, 3 mags. Trying to get an extended baseplate so I can run 2 20 rounds nd 1 17 round of 115 critical defense. I have a Beretta that runs critical duty, nd planning on either critical duty or goldot 124 +p. I was too broke to buy ammo before the pandemic nd now I regret it :'(. But other than that, I'm a believer in running more than 1 or even 2 mags Edit: also on a side note, a youtuber name donut operator did a video on an office who switched from 3 or 4 mags of 45acp to 135 rounds of 9mm after a gun fight
I could go on a long diatribe about this but the whole 9 thing has worn pretty thin. I’m sick of it. Every damn snowflake and their mom, “9” “9” “9” yadda, yadda. Sorry. No disrespect intended. Can’t see a gun review without it being 9. I guess it’s just fatigue.
There's a lot out there for sure. IT also speaks to the point I made about 9's being everywhere and everyone buying 9s. I have some 45acp content if you're bored with 9mm.
I've always been curious, why does the military use ball rounds? I've been trying to convince my friend to get that trash out of his carry gun but he justifies carrying 9mil ball cause the military does
Lol! Thanks for mentioning all those ass clowns that carry ball ammo for defense. I see that a LOT! It's crazy they don't see the liability of carrying that type of ammo. Also the point of cycling through your SD ammo while training. All good points!
So my thought was in court, when you need to claim self defense, 115 grain ball is perhaps less lethal (all things considered and assuming you are just trying to land a round and get away). I'm not an expert though.@@navyman8903
I wish I were wealthy and connected enough to keep ammo stocked up. I cannot find 124gr 9mm. Real talk though: You have enough defensive rounds to practice with and keep all those mags loaded???
Yes indeed. I stocked up when it was on sale. I like to time things so when people are buying guns, I'm buying ammo. If guns and ammo are OOS, I'm buying mags. IF all that is out of stock.....then I'm getting optics and lights. I'm always moving and trying to keep projects progressing while things are happening. I will also say that saving money is also key, because you can snatch things up when others have shot their wad.
Wanted to note for everyone: I have zero experience with gun fights. But if you want to hear extremely solid information from the most qualified people on fighting with firearms, look up primary and secondary. Extremely useful information.
IT depends on application but the pro's for 9mm can't be ignored for sure. And unless you're getting a central nervous system stop, you're just reducing blood pressure.
Here's why I don't carry a spare mag. 1. Who has time to reload in a gun fight? I'd rather run if all my 9s failed. I still practice it occasionally but I don't count on it. 2. It's so unrealistic to need all those rounds when most bad guys are discouraged by the sight of a gun. I don't live in a warzone. 3. Not convenient. I want less items on my body not more. 4. Cause I'm not preparing for a gun fight in advance. If I knew I was going to be in one, I'd be grabbing my AR. Side note. While you should test your SD ammo at the range, these days it's no longer available so I'm not going to shoot it. Otherwise, I would be.
1. It only takes a few seconds to reload and it's a fairly non-complicated process, so if you have gotten to a safer position (most gunfights don't happen in the middle of an open field) you can increase your odds of success. It's also a mental thing to know you have the option to reload if you need it, either in the case you need more bullets or if the gun malfunctions. In the heat of the moment, you will most likely not have a perfect grip on the gun, your movements will not be as precise, etc., so there's a higher risk of having a human-caused malfunction. It's also easier said than done to not empty the magazine if you're panicking (God forbid), so if you have an extra mag with you, you have the option of still have another go at it. 2. Again same as previously with the mentality and the malfunctions. But it's true, most bad guys will probably run when they face opposition, but if you're both in a position where you can't run you will have to be better than them. It also opens up more ability to spam bullets at them if you know you have plenty and therefore suppress their fire. Criminals also have that option today where they might not be the best shooters, but they can spam bullets at you with today's higher capacity magazines, so if you spam first you will increase the likelihood that they won't get their rounds off first. Disclaimer: I mean spam in the most conservative way, not saying you should just spray and pray in all directions. 3. Fair point. Life is full of compromises, you can't have everything. 4. Isn't that's why you carry a gun? If you knew you were going to end up in that situation it would be best to try to avoid going there in the first place, besides you can't carry your AR with you everywhere.
I see your position but I agree with @Daniel David on this one. I will say to your SD ammo position, I completely understand and finding things is very hard right now. I also stocked up when I was plentiful.
@Eric M I think you misinterpreted point 4. I'm saying, I'm not going to increase my firepower or rounds unless I knew there was a high chance of needing them. But I don't live in such a dangerous place so I don't see that happening.
when mom tells me only one more video before bed and dolphin posts a +30 min video.
I did that with your laser ad. I was like, he always does quick stuff. Then down the rabbit hole. Dammit! Also good for you bro!
If we could legally marry our HK's.
Good review. Totally agree people think 9mm has recoil of 115 but effectiveness of a 124 +p. I feel like .40 and maybe .45 the practice rounds are closer to the real thing.
Agreed. There's a lot of variation in 9mm for sure. Even within a grain weight. You can shoot 8 different 115's and they all have a different charge.
@@navyman8903Cor-Bon 125 +p+ ftw! Lol.
You used to be able to buy 9mm ammo for significantly less than other cals, now 9mm, 40 and 45 cost about the same.
True, but since handgun calibers are all similar in effectiveness due to modern tech and a 9mm variant of a handgun can hold more rounds than both a .40 and .45, it still is the best choice. The only real valid reason to use say .45 over the other two is strictly for suppression, since most loadings are already subsonic rather than having to buy special subsonic ammo.
For how long was this true? One day?
@@douglasmcnay644not true at all HST 220 grain +P is an absolute death ray. Saying 147 grain 9mm and 230 grain .45 is the same is a joke. Daryyl Bolke who speaks on primary & secondary points out that he invested all of his departments UOF shootings and every shooting in which the 230 HST + P load was used, resulted in a one shot stop.
I carry Para Ordinance P12 with 12 rounds of 45acp and I also carry a CZ75 Compact 9mm both are about the same size.
Check out Angel Alvarez. Shot 27 times (head included) by NYPD with 9mm and survived. Or Sgt Tim Gramins, hit a guy 14 times (2 head included) with a .45 and the guy was still alive when EMS got to the scene.
Some people are just hard to kill, caliber aside.
Excellent point about accountability. Very important.
Love the channel man. Every time you mention being in 14 years in kick myself for my 5 year break in service. I'd be tied with you.
I was working at the ER when they brought the guy who got hit 14 times with .45 in. There was a ridiculous amount of blood in the room when the medical staff was done with him.
We also had a guy who had 15 rounds of .40 dumped into his torso at close range. He was in ICU for months but survived.
Also had a guy who got shot 6 times in the back (looked like 9mm) and ran like 6 or 7 blocks to the hospital.
I could go on and on...
Yeah man, I almost got out a few times. But they're going to pay me. I am happy I stayed in for the most part, but to say it has been easy would be a massive lie. These last 4-5 years really tested me. Lots of soggy and spineless leadership. Makes my job hard. There are good ones out there, but damn if there isn't 9 bad ones before you get to one good one. I'm retiring AT 20 for sure.
@@navyman8903 - you’ll be happier if you do. You’ll be young enough to start a new career.
Nobody talks about “luck” or chance. BG driving his car, shoots through the open passenger window with a 22 and hits his intended in the head. Intended drops dead with a bullet in his brain. Another guy rings the bell at the back door of the local PD. Reports he has been shot. Has five (5) 380 slugs in his chest cavity. None of them struck a vital organ. One guy gets shot in the abdomen with a 40SW. He survives. Another gets shot in the abdomen with a 22. The projectile strikes a rib and deflects nicking his aorta. He dies.
Lots and lots of stories like that.
great overview! I love the whole semi-irrelevant size of user argument. Im 5 foot 2 around 164lbs and have always loved carrying my full sized USP 45 with no problems. Fits my hands and I carry it easily contrary to popular belief. However, if I feel like going out and about with thin clothing, I also love my FN 509C which oddly gets massive hate in the 9mm world.
I used to ccw a USP45 and then an HK45. I got it done. Now I'm running a G17 or VP9. I sold my P30sk.
Great video, thanks for posting.
That ‘shadow 2’ thing you mentioned earlier, happened to me in 2019. A range officer let me try a mag out of his and I ended up buying one that same week.
Speaking of rabbit holes; after the first time I paired a flush-fitting light to one of my guns, i got addicted and now new pistols have to be paired with a ‘matching’ light. Most recently a g34 gen5 mos and tlr-9. For context: I don’t shoot at night, or train, or any of that... I basically have a small, expensive hole-punch collection.
I’m glad you mentioned “snake oil” ammo. Hate that trash so much.
Me too man.
I hope there is a Shadow II in your near future.
I look at it EVERY SINGLE TIME. I want one so bad.
@@navyman8903 Theres one in mine... I've made it a goal this year to get one. :)
There is this idea that some seem to hold, that the technological and terminal performance improvements of bullets over the last thirty years have only improved the 9mm, as if the 45ACP was invisible to those same improvements.
Thanks for the video.
Nice job! Agreed. I CCW a G17 gen 5, HST 124 +P, AIWB Darkstar Orion holster, Kore essentials belt, and Veddar mag holster. Furthermore, I find carrying a larger pistol is easier than a pee shooter
Thanks, and it is a formula for success for sure.
You probably know this already but you have exceptional taste in firearms, good to see high quality material.
Thanks, I appreciate it bro.
Good info.! I had this argument with my old man. Carrying around a S&w shield with 115 ball in it!??…….. yup insanity!
Two thoughts - 1.Thanks to modern ammo 380acp, 9mm, 38spl, 357 mag, 40 S&W, 44 spl, 44 mag, 10mm 45acp are all good self defense rounds. But some, the first three smaller ones, are more practical for every day carry by a civilian. Since before firearms existed , when men carried blades for EDC, man kind discovered that the ideal EDC weighed about two (2) pounds that is 32 oz and preferably less. Don't believe me, check the average weight of EDC swords or daggers. Just remember I'm not talking about military combat weapons.
So for a comfortable EDC pistol that you are more likely to carry every day it is best to keep it as much under 32 oz as possible. Most gun makers list their guns unloaded weight so add about 1/2 oz per round on average to find approximate loaded weight of the weapon your considering for EDC. The lighter it is the better so long as you can shoot it comfortably and accurately with confidence.
That said there is something to be said for cost of ammo and it's availability. The 9mm and 38sp are both cheaper per round and often easier to find than most of the other calibers.
2. I agree, always carry at least one reload and preferably two. Because even the best trained individual might panic and dump the first mag or cylinder of rounds spraying and praying they hit their attacker. I can't tell you how many cases I've worked or read about where the survivor said they didn't think to aim until they were reloading. Sometimes for the second or third time! When they finally remembered to aim they ended the battle in the following one to three shots. Plus some attackers are just very hard to stop, even with several solid hits to vital areas, regardless of caliber. I've read of cases where five or six rounds from a 44 magnums or12 gauge shotguns failed to immediately stop an attacker. Head shots were required. So remember, in a civilian shooting, it is not always the first to shoot but rather the first to aim who generally survives or wins. Practice the Mozambique Drill. Two to the chest one to the head. It was designed for such cases. A good variation of this is one to the pelvic area, one to the chest and one to the head. The pelvic area is the center of gravity, below the "vest" area and the slowest moving part of the body. A hit in the pelvic area is very painful and will often take a target off their feet or at least slow them down.
Beretta 92 series kickass!
I've got my eye on a 92X GR Centurion right now. I'm 50/50 on it. But everything else is super out of stock.
@@navyman8903 Go for it, I bought the G version of the Centurion as my carry gun, I love it.
Great content. You make a lot of sense and i appreciate the benefit of your experience. Thanks.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
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Thanks man. I appreciate it.
Haha, the same thing happened to me with the Shadow 2. Now I have the Shadow 2, the Tactical Sports Orange, and an SP-01 Tactical that I installed all of the Cajun Gunworks goodies in. They're all great, but if I had to keep just one, it would be the TSO.
Good video as always; I messed up on ammo for sure, I have a lot of 124 ball that I have bought to shoot target with but most of my SD ammo is mix and match Hornady 124 stuff. Finally have gotten some HST +P to test with and hopefully switch over to but it is total non-existent these days. I've done well on not buying gimmick guns but have just bought too many, P30sk, VP9, USP9 and tactical, G17, G19, G43, VP9sk, P365...blah blah blah. I did buy a FN 509 Tac used that had a Apex trigger and came with a X300 and RMR on it for the price of a new one. It may be unfair to call it a gimmick gun but everyone I had shoot it had problems with it and it felt like a toy compared to my HKs. Long story short, I took the RMR and Surefire off it for other projects and traded it in toward a O/U so my wife could go bird hunting with me. Great advice as always man and thank you!
I love your point on 9mm powders. The biggest argument I hear on 9mm is that the loads have come a long way......so has the 40 and 45!!!! THANK YOU. I like them all. I believe that best caliber is the caliber you shoot best.
Oh I’m glad you mentioned CZ in this video I just got my first cz handgun a couple months ago lol love the thing so far, I can’t get enough of it. It’s a P-01, or as some call it the 75 compact or whatever. Still need to get a USP at some point but they are so hard to find these days, might have to order one (or a p30, or p2000 for that matter) I’ve gotten the hammer fired DA/SA itch now. Still love my Walther I just haven’t been shooting it as much even though the trigger is right up there with the VP9. Kinda need to standardize brands some day and just stockpile magazines. You’re absolutely right about that. Too many people buy too many different guns and no interchangeability. On your point about ammo selection, I started reloading last year and found that I really love 147gr flat nose. I load it with a shot shell powder that also works for pistol, it’s a bit slower burning and stays subsonic. That ammo is stupid accurate and consistent. But carry ammo I have 124gr HST. Just such a proven round can’t go wrong with it. And easy to find locally! Ok now to finish watching your 45 video next 😁
Thanks for watching man. CZ will always remain a massive temptation for me. Especially the Shadow 2.
@@navyman8903 It's one of the most copied designs in the world for a reason. (well, mainly because the Soviets didn't actually patent it so everyone was able to get away with copying it lol).
"you actually gotta do work to be successful" - life
Facts.
My brother, in the Office of the Navy, oops, I"m Marine Corps, but my point here is and is SOOOO damn simple, no matter what caliber, which I was expert in 9mm and 45 acp, in the Corps, if you practice enough in any caliber or platform, model, make, whatever, you won't go wrong, if you practice.
An extremely informative video: You made me put my thinking cap on: Well done and thanks
Thanks I appreciate it.
I'll be honest, I rarely carry a spare mag. When I do it's when I'm travelling out of state, in which case I'll have 2 or 3 spare mags ready for the road. 115grs for me are strictly range ammo, nothing else. Carry 124gr nickel-cased HPs in either an HK P2000 heavy LEM or Walther P99 in appendix, both with Mepro sights.
The 9mm is ultra reliable and efficient. Light weight and packs lots of ammo. Concealable and packs enough punch to stop a threat.
Yes. Out of a 4-5" barrel and quality SD ammo though.
Loved the video. Please do a "Why even 5.56?"
That would be a good one.
I want a USP Match in 9mm. I'll also take an Expert in 9mm. But I don't even think they are legal in California. So I have to stick to 45's. I have 4 now. One Elite, one FS, and two compacts.
They're great guns. They did make the CA compliant 10 round translucent jet funnel mags at one point. But good luck finding them. I can't find them anymore. But the 45's are excellent to shoot. HK's in 45 are always a blast to shoot. I've never fired a Match or Expert sadly. Held an Expert and almost bought it, but I was just about to transfer duty stations and needed to be smart with money.
@@navyman8903 I'm planning on making my own Match. Just gonna order the match weight. Then order a match length barrel from Jarvis Customs.
I love my series 80 Colt M1991A1, 8+1 of 185 grain hollow points is a great set up. However, I normally carry a Glock 32c in 357Sig. I'm leaning on getting a 10mm though, I reload.
10mm is a reloaders dream.
.357sig for life
Honestly I went 9mm so I could get more ammo availability so I could train more. I agree with the more freedom seeds the better and it’s a lot easier to conceal 9mm and still be effective….and my family all have 9mm so being able to throw a box back and forth is handy.
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Hi. Thanks to you and your vids I am a proud owner of an HK45! I love it.
Thanks for the support and you chose wisely.
Love the first person intros!
Thanks.
👍🏻 good vid as usually. Not much to add. I’ve had so many really good 9mm pistols. Can’t have them all, can’t keep them all. Eventually I had to make a decision on what to run and keep.
IT is difficult sometimes because it's easy to shoot 9mms well. You can really get deep in the weeds.
When you said stupid gimmicky ammo for 9mm, I immediately thought of Fort Scott T.U.I. My local store got in boxes of that Fort Scott T.U.I. a year ago and it's collected dust the past year.
Yup. There's a bunch of ridiculous stuff out there for 9mm.
I went from 40 to a 9mm, and I have seen more positives than negatives. Yes, 40 will hit harder, but shot to shot is slower on the 40, by about 30%-40% slower in my experience. As you reposition your irons.
9mm is a good round.
40 is a solid one too, but if you don't rapid fire.
I went with Beretta M9 and because of its inherent design, it is very light on recoil, as it has that pivot point. Metal frames are sexy, but will burn your hand like a chicken strip in the summer.
But My mK23 SoUnDs bETter AnD is My eDc B/c metal gear solid 🤣 nah my edc is occasion dependent like if I wear a suit its different than my jeans and boots 🤷🏼♂️🤔
Facts.
Yes lol yes
One of the few videos on UA-cam that I can say, I agree with you 💯 What do you think of the Fort Scott Munitions 9mm tumbler rounds? When I travel to this non free state, hollow points are illegal.
Honestly I don't have experience with them, I've only recently seen them up for sale/being talked about. I've heard positives and negatives, but I don't have any experience with them, nor any of the guys I shoot with. Having an option is good, I feel like a dick recommending ammo for anything at this point.........because it's you get what you find. But that said, I would probably go 147 or 158 if ball rounds are all you can do. Most energy you can get.
@@navyman8903 Thanks! Love the channel! 👍
Was wanting your thoughts on the self defense 9mm I have found. Grindhard ammo makes it in a 90gr solid copper fluted, 1350/ 364 ft-lbs along with Underwood ammo makes it a little hotter @ (1400/390ft-lb), not counting the hotter versions. The bullet looks like the tip of a Philips screw driver. According to a study I found called “DEFENSIVE HANDGUN AMMUNITION
CHARACTERISTICS AND
BULLET TYPES” they claim they performed the best v.s. hollow points and ball ammo. I worry about them being pretty fast and over penetration.
very good this content, I LOVE
Thanks! I appreciate the support.
What kind of mag carrier is that?G-code? Does it stick out too much owb?
IT is indeed and I love it. That's a P30/VP9 mag. I don't have the 17 rounders yet but they're identical size. So they conceal well and are comfortable. The separate carries allow me to dress around them easier vs a sidecar for instance.
M&P and PPQ fans would like a word
That ppq is titty cream. Lil poppy, but as good as they get from the factory otherwise
@@scarredarmor yeah one buddy has a 5” model, it’s slick. Another had a .40 4”. That one is a handful.
Lol I believe it. I will say I enjoyed my time with the PPQ I rented. I am interested in the Metal frame PPQ but have to finish a lot of other things before I even entertain it.
@@navyman8903 the price that the P320 AGX came in versus the Q5 Steel Frame made me take notice. I’m comfortable with the seven 9mms all with 2 mags each as it stands. LoL.
I got a 20 round box of 9mm tumblers at LAX ammo. I fell for the gimmick. They were expensive too
Happens to all of us at some point.
Just out of curiosity I know it’s one of those boutique rounds but what’s your take on that civil liberty defense 50gr +P ?
Hyper light for caliber. 9mm needs some ass too, not just insane velocity. Sometimes you have to go through glass or walls to hit something. 50gr ain't it. 124 +p or 147s for me.
@@navyman8903 thanks dude! Just curious what you thought was of it
Now I know why people always say don’t buy Czs
Cause I will be broke and just can’t have enough of them, then you are eventually but the Czechmate
I have two: a CZ-75 (pre B) that I've had for 40+ years and a CZ-75B Compact that I've had a few years. Both are very accurate, flawless performers. I like all my pistols, but the CZs are at the top of the heap.
I'm glad I had the opportunity to Czech them out. I'm a believer.
You should do a video showing everything in your collection. I’ve watched a bunch of your gun reviews and you have a ton, even multiple of the same model 😂
Maybe one day. It would be a lot.
@@navyman8903 I bet. You have a lot just going off the videos I’ve watched.
He forgot to add the Rex Zero 1 on the 9mm list. It pretty much out performs all those guns except maybe the HK.
IT's on par with the SIG. I've fired one, nice guns. No complaints from what I remember but I don't have extensive time with them.
Because it’ll blow the lung out of the body!🤣
I never hear you bring up the M&P series from Smith and Wesson, not a fan of them?
when i feel inadequate around my 45 cal friends i tell them i only use +p ammo...
.357 sig for the win
I never hear you bring up the M&P series from Smith and Wesson, not a fan?
A “why even .40?” satire video might be cool
Might give it a shot
Dude! Your Excellent Storyteller !!
Subbed, 9mm is fun, but I like to compensate for my short comings. ;-)
Waiting for a 11.7 mm +p+, LOL
GREAT VID.
Yep, 9mm is good... with the right ammo. I really like both 9mm and 45.
They're the way to go honestly. Unless there's bears involved.
.40 or .45 won’t work with black or brown bears. Unless, .45 win mag or maybe 10mm.
I have pistols in 9mm, .40sw, and .45acp. It honestly depends on the day ( my attire and the weather) as to which one I carry. I honestly feel comfortable with all of them due to how long I’ve had them and the amount of ammo I have ran thru them.
@@Ghostrider-71 of course 45 acp will work on black bears. My brother finished a black bear off with a 1911. I'm sure 40 would do the same. Are there better options? Of course.
@@Ghostrider-71 Or I can run raster than you.
You could say "Glock Perfection ",and pass a polygraph test.
What’s more reliable in your opinion USP, P30, or VP9?
USP and P30 are on the same tier based on Todd Greens testing. The VP9 is behind those two.
What’s better as a combat pistol in your opinion P30 or P30L?
@@navyman8903 thanks
@@thomaspounds9031 I would take the P30L over the P30 for a bad day. P30 is a great CCW option, but it also has a very reliable record.
Why even 9mm? Cause Gold Dots at 1200 fps is awesome. Nasty little pill.
They put in work for sure.
@@navyman8903 As much as I like big bores, several rounds of them 9mm Gold Dots don't leave me feeling under gunned.
great video, you should of allot more subs
Thanks man, I appreciate it. And I don't mind being a smaller channel, I just do this as a hobby. I don't make any money doing it.
Anyone other than me carry the Norma 108 grain monolithic round? The box says 413lbs force.
I don't like going too light for caliber. I tend to stick to 124 +P HST or 147gr.
@@navyman8903 thanks for the advice I appreciate it and really enjoy your channel!
Please don't give me any hate, was new to guns nd didn't really have money so I just got what I could. But I run 115 grain for my glock 45, 3 mags. Trying to get an extended baseplate so I can run 2 20 rounds nd 1 17 round of 115 critical defense. I have a Beretta that runs critical duty, nd planning on either critical duty or goldot 124 +p. I was too broke to buy ammo before the pandemic nd now I regret it :'(. But other than that, I'm a believer in running more than 1 or even 2 mags
Edit: also on a side note, a youtuber name donut operator did a video on an office who switched from 3 or 4 mags of 45acp to 135 rounds of 9mm after a gun fight
There's a 15rd mag for those 43x glocks now
True things are true.
I could go on a long diatribe about this but the whole 9 thing has worn pretty thin. I’m sick of it. Every damn snowflake and their mom, “9” “9” “9” yadda, yadda. Sorry. No disrespect intended. Can’t see a gun review without it being 9. I guess it’s just fatigue.
There's a lot out there for sure. IT also speaks to the point I made about 9's being everywhere and everyone buying 9s. I have some 45acp content if you're bored with 9mm.
Answer: Because 9mm
Garand thumb carries ball for some reason :-/
I have no idea why honestly. 45acp 230gr? sure fine. But 9mm? Yikes.
I've always been curious, why does the military use ball rounds? I've been trying to convince my friend to get that trash out of his carry gun but he justifies carrying 9mil ball cause the military does
Lol! Thanks for mentioning all those ass clowns that carry ball ammo for defense. I see that a LOT! It's crazy they don't see the liability of carrying that type of ammo. Also the point of cycling through your SD ammo while training. All good points!
Thanks and they're out there in force lately for sure. I can't understand it.
Why worry about T. Rex ? If you have good content . The subscribers will click
Lookin forward to the 40 video bro
Might get there one day. I don't have any 40's at the moment.
@@navyman8903 Nah. Me neither. That cartridge is poop. I was curious what the positives were gonna be 😅
Nutnfancys older son 😂
Is 60 mags good? lol thats hurting my wallet for a while...
60 mags sounds like me. I approve of your life choices.
So if you use excessive force, you are electric chair fried, even in self defense, but you say don't shoot 115 ball?
What does grain weight have to do with the application of force?
So my thought was in court, when you need to claim self defense, 115 grain ball is perhaps less lethal (all things considered and assuming you are just trying to land a round and get away). I'm not an expert though.@@navyman8903
>Lot's of crazy stuff going on in the world today
Bruh...
Definitely kept getting crazy.
Yo can we give the people what they want and shit on T. rex arms one more time
What I want to do and what I agreed to do are two different things. So long as he keeps the peace, I will. If that changes well....then it changes.
Dude. Idk how you sold your USP SD. What an absolute travesty. And you don’t have a USP45T?!?
Why even 10mm ?
Ooof maybe one day. I'll have a Glock 20 for that some day, but it's going to be a while. I haven't seen 10mm anywhere.
I wish I were wealthy and connected enough to keep ammo stocked up. I cannot find 124gr 9mm. Real talk though: You have enough defensive rounds to practice with and keep all those mags loaded???
Yes indeed. I stocked up when it was on sale. I like to time things so when people are buying guns, I'm buying ammo. If guns and ammo are OOS, I'm buying mags. IF all that is out of stock.....then I'm getting optics and lights. I'm always moving and trying to keep projects progressing while things are happening. I will also say that saving money is also key, because you can snatch things up when others have shot their wad.
@@navyman8903 That is brilliant! Unfortunately for me I just got into ARs in 2020 and it's one hell of a sinkhole. Thanks for that info though.
2 years later im wondering if youre still having the same problrm trying to find 124gr 9mm?
At the end of the day 9mm takes the cake. Gotta hit people where it counts otherwise it’ll just be a game of who bleeds out first
Wanted to note for everyone: I have zero experience with gun fights. But if you want to hear extremely solid information from the most qualified people on fighting with firearms, look up primary and secondary. Extremely useful information.
IT depends on application but the pro's for 9mm can't be ignored for sure. And unless you're getting a central nervous system stop, you're just reducing blood pressure.
Im the jackass fmj guy. Im poor but its time for gold dots
9mm fanboys can be intellectually dishonest? Who would have thunk it? ;-)
Right?
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Here's why I don't carry a spare mag.
1. Who has time to reload in a gun fight? I'd rather run if all my 9s failed. I still practice it occasionally but I don't count on it.
2. It's so unrealistic to need all those rounds when most bad guys are discouraged by the sight of a gun. I don't live in a warzone.
3. Not convenient. I want less items on my body not more.
4. Cause I'm not preparing for a gun fight in advance. If I knew I was going to be in one, I'd be grabbing my AR.
Side note. While you should test your SD ammo at the range, these days it's no longer available so I'm not going to shoot it. Otherwise, I would be.
1. It only takes a few seconds to reload and it's a fairly non-complicated process, so if you have gotten to a safer position (most gunfights don't happen in the middle of an open field) you can increase your odds of success. It's also a mental thing to know you have the option to reload if you need it, either in the case you need more bullets or if the gun malfunctions. In the heat of the moment, you will most likely not have a perfect grip on the gun, your movements will not be as precise, etc., so there's a higher risk of having a human-caused malfunction. It's also easier said than done to not empty the magazine if you're panicking (God forbid), so if you have an extra mag with you, you have the option of still have another go at it.
2. Again same as previously with the mentality and the malfunctions. But it's true, most bad guys will probably run when they face opposition, but if you're both in a position where you can't run you will have to be better than them. It also opens up more ability to spam bullets at them if you know you have plenty and therefore suppress their fire. Criminals also have that option today where they might not be the best shooters, but they can spam bullets at you with today's higher capacity magazines, so if you spam first you will increase the likelihood that they won't get their rounds off first. Disclaimer: I mean spam in the most conservative way, not saying you should just spray and pray in all directions.
3. Fair point. Life is full of compromises, you can't have everything.
4. Isn't that's why you carry a gun? If you knew you were going to end up in that situation it would be best to try to avoid going there in the first place, besides you can't carry your AR with you everywhere.
@@YeeLeeHaw I agree with your points.
I see your position but I agree with @Daniel David on this one. I will say to your SD ammo position, I completely understand and finding things is very hard right now. I also stocked up when I was plentiful.
@Eric M I think you misinterpreted point 4. I'm saying, I'm not going to increase my firepower or rounds unless I knew there was a high chance of needing them. But I don't live in such a dangerous place so I don't see that happening.