Its been well abused, but its a fairly rare model so really needs saving from the gas torch. Some people dont deserve to own things at all. Liked your comment about the non leaking rear hubs. Reminds me of a MF 690 4WD that had stopped dead in the field, I jacked it up and the front axle was seized soild. Owner came to had a look and said "well it was leaking oil, but then it stopped leaking so I didnt worry about it"
Good day Robert I am from Ontario Canada So why is it rare, just not many around or some special feature. Over here they were pretty good tractor, not as popular as 165 but they were good. Mennonites used those 236 for power plants, very popular. Thanks
@@robertallen3441 Good day Is that over in England, I don't think we ever had 178. Later on we had 180 which had 236 in with 38 in tires. Then we had 1080 for a bit then 1085. Thanks
@@donvoll2580 MF tractor model numbers were different in various countries. In the UK we initially had the 130 (French built) 135 , 165 and 175. Later the 185 was added to the range. Then the '8' line came along with 168, 178 and 188 models. We also had the french 1080 as well as the 1135 and 1155 models in limited numbers.
we have a 188 2wd I can't wait for the videos of you restoring this one. our 188 needs rear axle hub seals, PTO seal, front axle thrust bearings and bushings can't wait to see you do those here
My wife would say " what kind of junk did I drag home now" you got see the beauty in it when it is done is my response. The only good thing about those welds is they should knock off with a cold chisel & hammer. Some people aren't made to repair things & should go sit on the sofa. Thanks for sharing
Very good to see you back again Clarence, how anyone could get a tractor in that state is beyond me, but it's going to be so satisfying the first time you drive it out of the shed
Wow, that is something else. I have never seen such amazing skill and ingenuity towards repairing a machine. If you listen very carefully, you can most hear mucker laughing in the background
Good to see you back, It will be a tough job to get her back to original condition, but you're the man to do it. My cousin had 3 or 4 of them on buckrake duties back in the 70's always liked the high tower design on the steering just because it was different as a tractor mad lad back in the day, I think all of his had p,a,v,t, wheels on
It's great to see you back again and you must save the 175 if you can. I am a Massey Ferguson's man and love the 100 series and saving any of them is always great and I agree your 165 looks great and ready for work.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel can you imagine the state of rotating parts on the implements hanging off the back of the tractor? I'd be surprised if no one died.who needs shear bolts when you have a welder?
I did. Although I learned to drive on a 165, somewhere are some pictures of a 6 or 7 year me old watching the silage gang working with a Kidd double chop behind a 175. I decided I needed one that day. Only took50 or so years. I'm a real go-getter.
Hello Clarence!! Good to have you back!! That fergie really needs your wisdom and knowledge to put it back together it really deserves it, its a nice tractor just needs a bit of love!!😀
Booger welds, bird sh*t welds, Gorilla welds, it's got it all. A veritable cornucopia of electrofuckwittery if ever there was! The half a threaded hole in the casting, I've fixed a lot of those over the years. I cut the same thread on a piece of carbon rod, screw it into the hole and then either Bronze braze or Nickle weld the cast and puddle the filler metal right over the top of the carbon rod. Once it's built up and cooled off.Drill the carbon out and run a thread tap through the hole. The carbon makes sort of a mould for the filler metal and forms a crude thread to match the casting. Once chased out with the tap, it's usually as good as new.
I expect he's sitting on a big pile of gold that he saved from neglecting his equipment. I hope it's cold and his piles come down like a string bag full of aubergines.
You are absolutely right. Even though I learned to drive on a 165 and did a lot of work on one, I always wanted a 175 from when the silage gang arrived with one and a Kidd double chop when I was about 6
I concour with my fellow commenters it good to see you back... That poor Massey it's been worked to death but I'm sure you will roll the years back on it. Keep us updated with your progress it will be fascinating.... 👍
If you have the time and it is repairable you should rebuild and straighten the front end. lots of examples for you to teach and pass on information to everyone like you did with multi power or the sleeves on the 165. Keep up the good work
I brought one home last fall that is almost as bad, it is splattered all over the shed now, waiting for warmer weather to start getting attention. Maybe following your nightmare will keep me motivated.
Hey, if my videos help just one person save one classic from the scrap man, it's all worthwhile. Keep it up, and you'll have something to be proud of, and it's all your work too.
I’m glad you like a challenge Clarence! An old boy from the village asked if I could look at his McCormick as it stopped and couldn’t get going. Every imperial bolt had been lovingly rounded with a metric spanner🤦♂ and I’ve never seen a fuel filter so bad😬
I'm glad there are still craftsmen out there willing to put in the hours selflessly performing such skilled work as that. We shouldn't underestimate the skill required to force a UNF bolt into a BSF hole, or a 1/2 whitworth into a half inch UNC. I salute this dying breed of engineer.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel the voice words were flowing as I tried to unbolt the bonnet. It was like a lucky dip to what kind of bolt it was🤦♂️ the relief I had going back to the trac saw amazing, proper German engineering! Till you realise the job I did🤣🤦♂️🤬
@@ClarenceFudWeasel you should have seen how much I used google to try and find the equivalent spanners 🤣. At least I can could to 32 which is the biggest metric I’ve used🤣 fecked for imperial factions
@@casto- I agree, it's not even as though you know the thread from the head size with imperial or the spanner to use if you know the thread. A rough idea maybe. At least metric is more consistent and all you need to do is count. 😂
Hi Clarence. You mentioned the wheels are shot. Have you thought about putting a pair of 14x30 PAVT wheels rims with the cast centres? I know they were an option - in fact I live in New Zealand & the 175 was almost always sold new with either 16.9x30 or 18.4x30 tyres on PAVT wheels. They are probably easier to get than say 36'' or 38'' PAVT. Just a thought anyway! I like what you are doing and look forward to watching the transformation! Cheers, James
I've actually found a pair of 34 inch PAVTs I'm about to do a deal on. I don't know how many were supplied without PAVTs, but I doubt it was more than a few hundred in total. Thanks for watching.
That's a big project I grew up around Massey Ferguson tractors mainly those 100 series the 165 and 175 and 185 the 165 and 175 had the heavier rear end and wet brakes our 165 had the 212cid engine those were a force to reckon with like the 135 they had more power were rated for but this that you have there my friend you need a magician and a miracle worker to help you with it but it do able or maybe use it as a parts tractor
Well....... looks like your going to have a new 175 when your done.🤔😄. Let's just say they didn't give a shite. Mind you my 135 that's outside used to be a scraped in chicken sheds. So I'm with you on this project 😆. Stay safe 🏴
Good day from Ontario. Boy too bad. But those 236 were very popular over here , possibly for power plants, now cummins have taken over, other off shore models. Thanks
236 family are probably my favourites, easy to work on, cheap to repair, reliable and versatile. Probably one of the best ever made. Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel About 15 yrs ago fellow had full sized pkup 4 sale with 236 in, could not get to see it that week phoned next week said in accident total. I wonder how that motor would have been in there? for rpm, power & fuel efficent . People over here puty 239 cummins in Thanks
@@donvoll2580 I can't think that it would be that great in a pickup because the rotating assembly is so heavy for one thing, they are flat out at 2400 rpm they accelerate quite slowly. So while you could destroy a pickup transmission and axle with one quite easily because peak torque is delivered between about 1200 and 1900 rpm and the torque backup from the mass of the flywheel and rotating assembly is enormous. Very fuel efficient however.
Looks like you've definitely got yourself a little money pit. If you hadn't fallen in love with it you'd have walked away from it before now. Be nice to see it all the way to completion but I know it's going to cost heck of a lot of money and time.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel yes you're not wrong 😊. I have to admit these projects are very addictive and once you've done one you've to find another, weather it's a tractor, car, wagon, motorbike or something else. I'm looking for another project but can't make my mind up what 😂
Good video nice to see you back I hope you manage to save the 175 and are able to get her up to the excellent standard as the 165 whoever owned the 175 was obviously not mechanically minded to say the least ps hope his lordship isn't giving you too much stick about it 👍
Yeh that's bad really bad 🙄 Ron Greet parts in Totnes might be able to help or Sam Neil over in Ireland he is a Ferguson fanatic 👍 definitely a series to follow with interest 👌
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Its running, clutch working, but not much else at the moment, turns out the main dash frame is twisted completely so will need to get another one, a fair few broken studs to remove to fit a new radiator. Need to get a steering box ordered up too as this one is too far gone. And the worst part is its too wide to fit in my workshop we think, got to love it
Ahhh... Very good to see you Mr Fudweasel, there has been alot of us who have been missing you not just me but I I know there was someone who looks like Cowfarmerdan who just went passed in a Red flash at ludicrous speed (quite possibly his secret acquisition whom he said would be revealed because doesn't want to revealed yet ?? and has also pressed the like button along with his brother phone too) As for your comment about your channel, my opinion it is enjoying educationally, and entertaining, short answer it's not Crap at all !!! I'm sure Dan agrees with me on this?. Welcome back Mr Fudweasel glad you haven't quit your creations of your video's.🙂👍
Have you ever had a 175 pto shaft that wouldn't come out of the pto clutch.. I built a puller and still can't get it to move. The pto clutch needs rebuilt and the shaft is stuck...
@@theoriginalwelderpaulI would like to do it Perkins spec, I have everything in stock genuine Perkins, but that's over £1300 worth of parts. I also have the Agriline parts in stock to do it and that's just over £200 for the equivalent stuff. I want to show off what people can do on a realistic budget so I will probably stick to Agriline. Which bits are blue? Have you left the lid off the Evostik again?
something for the gardener? - for composting. or money and a lot of time ... hard work / patience / a vision. or is it an enchanted frog; then you should kiss him
I know you mite want to take her back to factory but what would be great is to upgrade her and make her more modern theres cheap compacts every where but this older tractors should be able to be upgraded
That's an interesting idea, I might do that at some point down the line. Prove that these old classics are still a better proposition than the throw-away compacts people seem to go for now
@@noelcahill6707I like that idea, I might get a project tractor especially to do that. Look out for it in the future! I'll give you credit for the idea 🙂
Presumably your 165 is the early type with the 4.212 engine, the exhaust being in the LHS and your 175 has the 4.236 engine. If you have to, the 175 front axles is easily interchangeable with other heavier duties MF axles. I had an early C reg 175 with the the standard axles and cast wheel centre. Also fitted was a Farmhand F11 loader. The stub axles would break regularly. By chance I bought a 4WD axles and transfer box, which I fitted to an MF 675, totally transforming that tractor. I then used the redundant HD (3 bolts per side) 675 front axle and wheels to replace the 165 axle. This ended the Stub axles problems! You gotta save that 175, period! Both it and your 165 are, or will be things of beauty.
The 165 is a 4.203 and the 175 is a 4.236. I have spare castings and axles from other 100 series that I could swap in if necessary. Having the 65mk2 front end always was a weak point on the 175, not sure why they did it. This one is C reg too. Don't worry, I will save it, I have wanted a 175 since I was about 6 watching our silage contractor arrive with one pulling a Kidd forager. But finding the parts now is getting harder. I might have to put a 165 front end on, but that's still part of its story and will keep it a useful classic .
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Thanks for correcting me. That 4.203 certainly punched for its weight. My father had a 1967 Multi-power version 165 brand new bought from F. A. Standen at Ely. Eventually, her piston rings needed replacing at about 25 years old, but she was a very good tractor. The 4.203 165 was always a very good starter, but by the time she was 10 years old, our 175 always needed a sniff of Easy start to wake here up, even in summertime. Even our 4.236 engined 675 was a reluctant starter in winter. But our 690 with its 4.248 engine was a very good starter. I always found 135 (presumably 3 cylinder versions of the 4.203) good starters, yet many 6.354’s (6 cylinder versions of the 4.236) could be a bit reluctant.
@@Rickwardful My 165 definitely came back from France a couple of years ago. It's quite an interesting one, factory high clearance and auxiliary pump. When I get the parts I will put it back to that spec. It's slightly lower geared than normal clearance because it should have 13.4 - 38 wheels, with king pins 1 1/2 inch taller than standard and 19 inch front wheels. I have the correct front axle but I am struggling to find the 38 inch rims to fit 32 inch two piece centres. Most of the internal plumbing is missing for the auxiliary pump and pressure control.
That is unfortunate young man. Look like those welds were made by an old man with a big old battery charger, coat hangers for rods and sunglasses for eye protection. That being said, the maintenance man was his twin brother and his cousin was probably the abuser. Thing of the film Deliverance, with the tractor as the victim! Scrap it and find another, it will be a money pit and a whole warp of time!
@@ClarenceFudWeasel , worse ways to spend spare time than drinking Woodfordes Wherry... I miss the East Anglian beers, must have a holiday around the Broads for old times sake.
But where they are broken out, there's nothing really there to hang weight on. It's the studs for the PTO guard and check chains. Unless they replaced the check chains with something much heavier, but then they broke out downwards not sideways. Who knows, one of life's mysteries. Thanks for watching.
We should find these people and stop them breeding. Do you think these people stand back and look at their 'work' and think "That's a nice job, right there"?
It is said that one should never buy a car from a mechanic and by similar reasoning one should probably never buy a tractor from a farmer! Still as the you-tubists say "it should make good content" whatever 'content' is 🙂
But I don't do this for content, I really wanted a 175 and this was all I could find. And strangely enough, I actually do enjoy this kind of work! Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel sorry, no offence intended! Should he an interesting restoration. My dad worked at the Banner Lane factory - I hope he did a better job than the 175's last owner!
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Only from the mid 60s to the early 70s when he retired on health grounds. A few bits and peices seemed to find their way to our shed, usually red in colour but also various knobs and levers which got used in various houshold projects! The only 'souvenier' I have is a heavy sliding 1/2" drive wheel brace which I think must have been from a tractor tool kit!
@@keithmatthews1673 Well he was there when my 165 and the 175 were made, it would be nice to imagine that he was responsible for some part of them. The 165 was 1967 and the 175 was 1965.
Admire your fortitude, but @ this stage of life, can no longer deal with mature abused power units. One look @ the new Sloped bonnet 5S, & you will be memorized to float into the future. Just send the invoice to Mucker .
Modern stuff is all very nice, and I get to play with plenty of it during the day, but it doesn't inspire me like the stuff I grew up with. How many of today's tractors are still going to be running in 50 years? Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Point taken Clarence but short of cryogenic advancements, the modern stuff will last just long enough to serve my needs. 🇺🇸🗽🚜💯 Do you have a modern stuff favorite❓
@@billupstateny9151 Not that modern, but I really like the 6400 series tier 2 stuff. I don't mind the 7s Massey Ferguson, Kubota M7001 series, don't really care for the new John Deere at all and not really the NH either. I believe a lot of electronics are there because the manufacturers create a need rather than because people have asked for them.
It's a heap of junk!!!! I'm sure you will have it up n running soon. Sure has been abused hopefully the previous owner doesn't have anything new or a farm with livestock.
It is scrap. Purchase a different one to rebuild and sell parts off of this one. Looks like the tractor came from 3 rd world country where they beat the hell out of tractors. My 2 cents.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel ok , if you do then I expect to see a museum piece when you are finished. I’m sure Lord Muck will want to get some grease on his coveralls helping you .👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻😀
I think there should be a charity called RSPCT (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Tractors)
Its been well abused, but its a fairly rare model so really needs saving from the gas torch. Some people dont deserve to own things at all. Liked your comment about the non leaking rear hubs. Reminds me of a MF 690 4WD that had stopped dead in the field, I jacked it up and the front axle was seized soild. Owner came to had a look and said "well it was leaking oil, but then it stopped leaking so I didnt worry about it"
And there you have it, some people just don't deserver to own things at all. Thanks for watching.
Good day Robert I am from Ontario Canada So why is it rare, just not many around or some special feature. Over here they were pretty good tractor, not as popular as 165 but they were good. Mennonites used those 236 for power plants, very popular. Thanks
@@donvoll2580 It was only produced for a short time and was replaced by the MF 178. As you say they were not as popular as the 165, hence its rarity.
@@robertallen3441 Good day Is that over in England, I don't think we ever had 178. Later on we had 180 which had 236 in with 38 in tires. Then we had 1080 for a bit then 1085. Thanks
@@donvoll2580 MF tractor model numbers were different in various countries. In the UK we initially had the 130 (French built) 135 , 165 and 175. Later the 185 was added to the range. Then the '8' line came along with 168, 178 and 188 models. We also had the french 1080 as well as the 1135 and 1155 models in limited numbers.
Looking forward to following progress on this one 😊
Hopefully more to come soon. Thanks for dropping by.
we have a 188 2wd I can't wait for the videos of you restoring this one. our 188 needs rear axle hub seals, PTO seal, front axle thrust bearings and bushings can't wait to see you do those here
That's all got to be done on the 175. If you look at the 165 play list, the hub seals get done on that.
Thanks for watching.
My wife would say " what kind of junk did I drag home now" you got see the beauty in it when it is done is my response. The only good thing about those welds is they should knock off with a cold chisel & hammer. Some people aren't made to repair things & should go sit on the sofa. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching. I don't understand the mentality of someone who does that kind of fix. It wasn't poverty, it was laziness.
Very good to see you back again Clarence, how anyone could get a tractor in that state is beyond me, but it's going to be so satisfying the first time you drive it out of the shed
Thanks for watching, it's going to be even better than the 165.
Wow, that is something else. I have never seen such amazing skill and ingenuity towards repairing a machine.
If you listen very carefully, you can most hear mucker laughing in the background
It's impressive isn't it, real attention to detail, trying to cause maximum damage with minimum effort. It's quite a talent if you think about it
I actually like the 175 (well, I like the power assisted steering set up) so I'd love to see it restored.
It is a massive mongoose Shyte though.
Clarence he didn't have a welder what he had was a couple of batteries and some coat hanger and a pair of jumper cables
Whatever it was he or she had, I wish they had left it at home! Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel always a pleasure my friend always a pleasure
Good to see you back,
It will be a tough job to get her back to original condition, but you're the man to do it. My cousin had 3 or 4 of them on buckrake duties back in the 70's always liked the high tower design on the steering just because it was different as a tractor mad lad back in the day, I think all of his had p,a,v,t, wheels on
PAVTs were standard, very few came out without them. I think this one has lost them along the way somewhere. Thanks for watching.
Good to hear from you again. If a challenge builds character you’ll be the best man around, but I know you are up to it.
Thanks for your support. It's going to be a journey.
It's great to see you back again and you must save the 175 if you can. I am a Massey Ferguson's man and love the 100 series and saving any of them is always great and I agree your 165 looks great and ready for work.
Don't worry, it will live to work again. Thanks, and thanks for watching.
Just when I thought nothing else could be botched, you point out the barb wire being used as a split pin. Pure class.
When you see a machine treated like this, it makes me wonder what the rest of the farm was like.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel can you imagine the state of rotating parts on the implements hanging off the back of the tractor? I'd be surprised if no one died.who needs shear bolts when you have a welder?
@@paulbrougham451 And what about livestock. I think it shows a particular attitude and approach to life.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I tried not to think about that, far too worrying.
I'd say it would be a worthwhile restoration. Definitely be worth looking up groups on Facebook to see if the original type front axle can be got.
I've already tried several Facebook groups and Friends of Ferguson heritage.
You must have really really really wanted a 175 🤣😂 looking forward to the restoration 👍
I did. Although I learned to drive on a 165, somewhere are some pictures of a 6 or 7 year me old watching the silage gang working with a Kidd double chop behind a 175. I decided I needed one that day. Only took50 or so years. I'm a real go-getter.
Hello Clarence!! Good to have you back!! That fergie really needs your wisdom and knowledge to put it back together it really deserves it, its a nice tractor just needs a bit of love!!😀
It's all about seeing the potential 🙂
I'll give it the love it never had in it's working life. Thanks for watching.
Booger welds, bird sh*t welds, Gorilla welds, it's got it all. A veritable cornucopia of electrofuckwittery if ever there was! The half a threaded hole in the casting, I've fixed a lot of those over the years. I cut the same thread on a piece of carbon rod, screw it into the hole and then either Bronze braze or Nickle weld the cast and puddle the filler metal right over the top of the carbon rod. Once it's built up and cooled off.Drill the carbon out and run a thread tap through the hole. The carbon makes sort of a mould for the filler metal and forms a crude thread to match the casting. Once chased out with the tap, it's usually as good as new.
Thanks for that, you have given me something to think about there. I hadn't thought about nickel welding.
Oh dear, oh dear...... oh dear! You like a challenge.
Be great if you could interview the previous owner as to what the back story is?
I expect he's sitting on a big pile of gold that he saved from neglecting his equipment. I hope it's cold and his piles come down like a string bag full of aubergines.
Hello again this is going to be some project, but just wait till its like the 165 and you,ll love it as much then,and we will enjoy it too thanks.
You are absolutely right. Even though I learned to drive on a 165 and did a lot of work on one, I always wanted a 175 from when the silage gang arrived with one and a Kidd double chop when I was about 6
I concour with my fellow commenters it good to see you back... That poor Massey it's been worked to death but I'm sure you will roll the years back on it. Keep us updated with your progress it will be fascinating.... 👍
I'll have another update for you soon. Thanks for watching.
If you have the time and it is repairable you should rebuild and straighten the front end. lots of examples for you to teach and pass on information to everyone like you did with multi power or the sleeves on the 165. Keep up the good work
It's definitely a possibility if I can't find the parts. Thanks for watching.
You love a challenge FW , you can sort it ! Hope you're keeping ok old friend !!
I'll have to come up and see you one of these days, been a long time.
That one’s going to keep you busy for a good few hrs it’ll test your patience more ways than one but I’m sure you’re the man for the job 👍
Thank you, and thanks for watching.
I brought one home last fall that is almost as bad, it is splattered all over the shed now, waiting for warmer weather to start getting attention. Maybe following your nightmare will keep me motivated.
Hey, if my videos help just one person save one classic from the scrap man, it's all worthwhile. Keep it up, and you'll have something to be proud of, and it's all your work too.
Would be great to follow the restoration of the 175 - a classic tractor!
Coming soon! I have plans.
Clarence you know very well that you will continue with it no matter how deep the money pit goes because you're a Massey man and you love them .
It's a disease, I can't help it 😂
I’m glad you like a challenge Clarence! An old boy from the village asked if I could look at his McCormick as it stopped and couldn’t get going. Every imperial bolt had been lovingly rounded with a metric spanner🤦♂ and I’ve never seen a fuel filter so bad😬
I'm glad there are still craftsmen out there willing to put in the hours selflessly performing such skilled work as that. We shouldn't underestimate the skill required to force a UNF bolt into a BSF hole, or a 1/2 whitworth into a half inch UNC. I salute this dying breed of engineer.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel the voice words were flowing as I tried to unbolt the bonnet. It was like a lucky dip to what kind of bolt it was🤦♂️ the relief I had going back to the trac saw amazing, proper German engineering! Till you realise the job I did🤣🤦♂️🤬
@@casto- Once you get used to metric, everything else becomes hard work. There. I said it.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel you should have seen how much I used google to try and find the equivalent spanners 🤣. At least I can could to 32 which is the biggest metric I’ve used🤣 fecked for imperial factions
@@casto- I agree, it's not even as though you know the thread from the head size with imperial or the spanner to use if you know the thread. A rough idea maybe. At least metric is more consistent and all you need to do is count. 😂
Good stuff Clarence, and nice to see You back on the telly, she is a bit of a pot alright,tough luck and good luck👍🙏🙂
They tell me it's character building! Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Ho ho, Your right there Ted 😁
@@patkelly7999 Now you will have a cup of tea, father.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Ah go on, well impressed with Your general knowledge Clarence 👌👍🙏🤠
@@patkelly7999 I don't get out much.
Hi Clarence. You mentioned the wheels are shot. Have you thought about putting a pair of 14x30 PAVT wheels rims with the cast centres? I know they were an option - in fact I live in New Zealand & the 175 was almost always sold new with either 16.9x30 or 18.4x30 tyres on PAVT wheels. They are probably easier to get than say 36'' or 38'' PAVT. Just a thought anyway! I like what you are doing and look forward to watching the transformation! Cheers, James
I've actually found a pair of 34 inch PAVTs I'm about to do a deal on. I don't know how many were supplied without PAVTs, but I doubt it was more than a few hundred in total.
Thanks for watching.
That's a big project I grew up around Massey Ferguson tractors mainly those 100 series the 165 and 175 and 185 the 165 and 175 had the heavier rear end and wet brakes our 165 had the 212cid engine those were a force to reckon with like the 135 they had more power were rated for but this that you have there my friend you need a magician and a miracle worker to help you with it but it do able or maybe use it as a parts tractor
I have to restore it, there aren't many parts that I can use as a parts tractor!
Can’t tell you what to do Clarence as I’m pissing myself laughing….😂
I have this effect on people 🤣
If stevie wonder got into welding instead of music. Love the videos, keep them coming big man
Perhaps he thought he was Master Blaster, had Faith in his abilities and was Overjoyed with the results? Thanks for watching.
Well....... looks like your going to have a new 175 when your done.🤔😄. Let's just say they didn't give a shite. Mind you my 135 that's outside used to be a scraped in chicken sheds. So I'm with you on this project 😆. Stay safe 🏴
It's going to be like triggers broom when it's done. Thanks for watching.
Good day from Ontario. Boy too bad. But those 236 were very popular over here , possibly for power plants, now cummins have taken over, other off shore models. Thanks
236 family are probably my favourites, easy to work on, cheap to repair, reliable and versatile. Probably one of the best ever made. Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel About 15 yrs ago fellow had full sized pkup 4 sale with 236 in, could not get to see it that week phoned next week said in accident total. I wonder how that motor would have been in there?
for rpm, power & fuel efficent . People over here puty 239 cummins in
Thanks
@@donvoll2580 I can't think that it would be that great in a pickup because the rotating assembly is so heavy for one thing, they are flat out at 2400 rpm they accelerate quite slowly. So while you could destroy a pickup transmission and axle with one quite easily because peak torque is delivered between about 1200 and 1900 rpm and the torque backup from the mass of the flywheel and rotating assembly is enormous. Very fuel efficient however.
Thanks for the video. 👍
You are welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it
Looks like you've definitely got yourself a little money pit. If you hadn't fallen in love with it you'd have walked away from it before now.
Be nice to see it all the way to completion but I know it's going to cost heck of a lot of money and time.
But what else would I spend my money on? I'd waste it on pies and beer and friendly women.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel yes you're not wrong 😊. I have to admit these projects are very addictive and once you've done one you've to find another, weather it's a tractor, car, wagon, motorbike or something else.
I'm looking for another project but can't make my mind up what 😂
@@ronniehoyle9671 I was looking at a friend's Bedford RL this afternoon. I had one years ago, seeing it made me realise that I need another.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel go for it 👍. Lord Muck will love it 😁
@@ronniehoyle9671 it's getting serious thought 🤣
Good luck with your 175
Thank you, I need it!
@@ClarenceFudWeasel you sure you would not like a 575 or 675 or 275 better lol
@@markhicks9545 I have a 590 turbo 4wd which is next in line when the 175 is done.
It good to see you back I enjoy your videos keep them coming
Thank you, I'll get some more up soon
Good luck with the 175.
Thank you.
Your a glutton for punishment Mr Weasel. It's a challenge for sure............
Challenge is a good word, it's a real heap of challenge! Thanks for watching.
Good video nice to see you back I hope you manage to save the 175 and are able to get her up to the excellent standard as the 165 whoever owned the 175 was obviously not mechanically minded to say the least ps hope his lordship isn't giving you too much stick about it 👍
At the moment he seems to like it! Thanks for watching.
Liked the reference of plenty of seals around here this time of the year. 😂( breeding and mould season)
Back in my youth I met a classy mawther from Cromer who asked me to take her clubbing. Apparently that wasn't what she had in mind.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel 🤣🤣🤣
Yeh that's bad really bad 🙄 Ron Greet parts in Totnes might be able to help or Sam Neil over in Ireland he is a Ferguson fanatic 👍 definitely a series to follow with interest 👌
Ron Greet is always a good source of parts. I haven't spoken to Sam Neil yet. I'll have to get in touch.
Thanks for watching.
Makes that old 3165S from scrap I've got as a project seem easy! Still a lot of work to do
How is it coming along?
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Its running, clutch working, but not much else at the moment, turns out the main dash frame is twisted completely so will need to get another one, a fair few broken studs to remove to fit a new radiator. Need to get a steering box ordered up too as this one is too far gone. And the worst part is its too wide to fit in my workshop we think, got to love it
Gotta give her a chance
Oh yes, it's got to be a lot worse before I give up
Ahhh... Very good to see you Mr Fudweasel, there has been alot of us who have been missing you not just me but I I know there was someone who looks like Cowfarmerdan who just went passed in a Red flash at ludicrous speed (quite possibly his secret acquisition whom he said would be revealed because doesn't want to revealed yet ?? and has also pressed the like button along with his brother phone too) As for your comment about your channel, my opinion it is enjoying educationally, and entertaining, short answer it's not Crap at all !!! I'm sure Dan agrees with me on this?. Welcome back Mr Fudweasel glad you haven't quit your creations of your video's.🙂👍
Thank you for your support.
Your always very welcomed Mr Fudweasel. 🙂
Have you ever had a 175 pto shaft that wouldn't come out of the pto clutch.. I built a puller and still can't get it to move. The pto clutch needs rebuilt and the shaft is stuck...
Can't say I have ever had that. In the next week or so I will have a look at the PTO on this one. Does yours have an ipto or mechanical?
I hope you kept your receipt?
Cheffins don't answer the phone to me any more
65 mr1 axel will also fit
I say stick whatever you can get cheapest on in regards to the axel.
Whatever I do, I won't please everybody but parts for these are getting hard to come by. Thanks for watching.
Is it running yet ?
Yes, starts on the button.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel That's great. There's a rural show on in August. I've entered you for the best cake category.
Try John conaty in Meath Ireland he has a massive. Yard of tractors he breaks aaswell as he does new parts too
Ah John Conaty, I have used him before, a great firm to deal with. The only problem now is the high cost of importing from the Republic.
This should make interesting viewing
Well glad you think so. Thanks for watching.
Try George Burton outside Lisburn, he's a yard full of stuff
Thanks, I'll see what he has.
Nice to see you back👍 Are you doing a full engine rebuild on this?
Thank you. I probably will, but part of me wants to see if it will free off and can be made to run as is. Just out of curiosity.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel You know you want to rebuilt it back to Pekins factory spec..please?!
Why is it partially painted Fordson Blue?
@@theoriginalwelderpaulI would like to do it Perkins spec, I have everything in stock genuine Perkins, but that's over £1300 worth of parts. I also have the Agriline parts in stock to do it and that's just over £200 for the equivalent stuff. I want to show off what people can do on a realistic budget so I will probably stick to Agriline.
Which bits are blue? Have you left the lid off the Evostik again?
if you can do it , it would be one hell of a achievement good luck
We'll get there, it all adds to the fun. thanks for watching.
So it's for sale then? Classic 175 in need of TLC, Torchin' Laughin' and Chuckin'. Cheers
Might be for sale in pieces 🙂
something for the gardener? - for composting.
or money and a lot of time ... hard work / patience / a vision.
or is it an enchanted frog; then you should kiss him
Just get on with it and cheer up.... NO COMPUTERS !!!!!!
Oh yes. No computers, at least this will run in vegetable oil when we get bombed. Thanks for watching.
I know you mite want to take her back to factory but what would be great is to upgrade her and make her more modern theres cheap compacts every where but this older tractors should be able to be upgraded
That's an interesting idea, I might do that at some point down the line. Prove that these old classics are still a better proposition than the throw-away compacts people seem to go for now
@@ClarenceFudWeasel yes like theres no solis or tym would come near them but upgrade 1 of these from a 165 to a ford 3600 modernise them
@@noelcahill6707I like that idea, I might get a project tractor especially to do that. Look out for it in the future! I'll give you credit for the idea 🙂
@@ClarenceFudWeasel i sure will look out mate i watch your vids as soon as they come up a 165 would be a good 1 to do
keep on going now
Definitely, that's where the enjoyment comes.
I think after all that you need a stiff drink.
I might just do that. Thanks for watching.
Presumably your 165 is the early type with the 4.212 engine, the exhaust being in the LHS and your 175 has the 4.236 engine. If you have to, the 175 front axles is easily interchangeable with other heavier duties MF axles.
I had an early C reg 175 with the the standard axles and cast wheel centre. Also fitted was a Farmhand F11 loader. The stub axles would break regularly.
By chance I bought a 4WD axles and transfer box, which I fitted to an MF 675, totally transforming that tractor. I then used the redundant HD (3 bolts per side) 675 front axle and wheels to replace the 165 axle. This ended the Stub axles problems!
You gotta save that 175, period!
Both it and your 165 are, or will be things of beauty.
The 165 is a 4.203 and the 175 is a 4.236. I have spare castings and axles from other 100 series that I could swap in if necessary. Having the 65mk2 front end always was a weak point on the 175, not sure why they did it. This one is C reg too.
Don't worry, I will save it, I have wanted a 175 since I was about 6 watching our silage contractor arrive with one pulling a Kidd forager. But finding the parts now is getting harder. I might have to put a 165 front end on, but that's still part of its story and will keep it a useful classic .
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Thanks for correcting me. That 4.203 certainly punched for its weight. My father had a 1967 Multi-power version 165 brand new bought from F. A. Standen at Ely. Eventually, her piston rings needed replacing at about 25 years old, but she was a very good tractor.
The 4.203 165 was always a very good starter, but by the time she was 10 years old, our 175 always needed a sniff of Easy start to wake here up, even in summertime.
Even our 4.236 engined 675 was a reluctant starter in winter. But our 690 with its 4.248 engine was a very good starter.
I always found 135 (presumably 3 cylinder versions of the 4.203) good starters, yet many 6.354’s (6 cylinder versions of the 4.236) could be a bit reluctant.
@@Rickwardful My 165 definitely came back from France a couple of years ago. It's quite an interesting one, factory high clearance and auxiliary pump. When I get the parts I will put it back to that spec. It's slightly lower geared than normal clearance because it should have 13.4 - 38 wheels, with king pins 1 1/2 inch taller than standard and 19 inch front wheels. I have the correct front axle but I am struggling to find the 38 inch rims to fit 32 inch two piece centres. Most of the internal plumbing is missing for the auxiliary pump and pressure control.
Keep going, but it's easy for me to say, it's not coming out of my pocket.
Don't worry, I will have it driving before too long.
That is unfortunate young man. Look like those welds were made by an old man with a big old battery charger, coat hangers for rods and sunglasses for eye protection.
That being said, the maintenance man was his twin brother and his cousin was probably the abuser. Thing of the film Deliverance, with the tractor as the victim!
Scrap it and find another, it will be a money pit and a whole warp of time!
I like a challenge. If I wasn't doing this I'd probably be in a pub drinking Wherry, or worse still earning money somewhere.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel , worse ways to spend spare time than drinking Woodfordes Wherry... I miss the East Anglian beers, must have a holiday around the Broads for old times sake.
@@neilporter3286 And drink wherry.
fix it if i had the money I would help you out with the costs of part's
Don't worry, you will see it running again before too long and doing a day's work.
Sounds like on easy fix:
£220 a ton to weigh it in, and see what Cheffins have got in blue!!!!
They had a couple of Perkins engined Landinis last time I checked, I might give one of them a go next time.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I've heard good things about those, ........... better get yourself some more pasta recipes.😉
@@markfiges999 And quite a pretty colour too.
just years of abuse caused bolts to snap and to much weight on rear end i would emagine
But where they are broken out, there's nothing really there to hang weight on. It's the studs for the PTO guard and check chains. Unless they replaced the check chains with something much heavier, but then they broke out downwards not sideways.
Who knows, one of life's mysteries. Thanks for watching.
Was a chap I knew of not far from John Conatys
His motto was if it moved weld it
Think he may have had a brother 😭
We should find these people and stop them breeding.
Do you think these people stand back and look at their 'work' and think "That's a nice job, right there"?
Maybe they do through the welding mask
@@joemckenna3194Perhaps they wonder why there are always patches on the bead which glow orange long after the rest is black.
Think he went to the Mr Magoo school of welding
You're completely mad. But a man's gotta have a hobby........
I would say it keeps me out of the pubs, but it doesn't. Thanks for watching.
cant believe what i am looking at its so bad i have no words 😵💫
How would anybody let things get this bad? It's hard to believe isn't it.
Been there seen it such a shame
But so satisfying when it starts to come right again.
It is said that one should never buy a car from a mechanic and by similar reasoning one should probably never buy a tractor from a farmer! Still as the you-tubists say "it should make good content" whatever 'content' is 🙂
But I don't do this for content, I really wanted a 175 and this was all I could find. And strangely enough, I actually do enjoy this kind of work! Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel sorry, no offence intended! Should he an interesting restoration. My dad worked at the Banner Lane factory - I hope he did a better job than the 175's last owner!
@@keithmatthews1673 No offence taken. What years did he work at Banner Lane?
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Only from the mid 60s to the early 70s when he retired on health grounds. A few bits and peices seemed to find their way to our shed, usually red in colour but also various knobs and levers which got used in various houshold projects! The only 'souvenier' I have is a heavy sliding 1/2" drive wheel brace which I think must have been from a tractor tool kit!
@@keithmatthews1673 Well he was there when my 165 and the 175 were made, it would be nice to imagine that he was responsible for some part of them. The 165 was 1967 and the 175 was 1965.
Not crap
Thank you.
If you dump that in the lake some poor sod that goes magnificent sod that goes magnet fishing will think hes found a Van Full of money
And get a hernia pulling it out. I'm starting to like this idea.
Why bother with heap of scrap Fud
Trigger's broom. It'll make a lovely 175, and really original too.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel if it wasn’t such a challenge it wouldn’t mean that much to bring it back to life. 👍
Admire your fortitude, but @ this stage of life, can no longer deal with mature abused power units. One look @ the new Sloped bonnet 5S, & you will be memorized to float into the future. Just send the invoice to Mucker .
Modern stuff is all very nice, and I get to play with plenty of it during the day, but it doesn't inspire me like the stuff I grew up with.
How many of today's tractors are still going to be running in 50 years?
Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Point taken Clarence but short of cryogenic advancements, the modern stuff will last just long enough to serve my needs. 🇺🇸🗽🚜💯 Do you have a modern stuff favorite❓
@@billupstateny9151 Not that modern, but I really like the 6400 series tier 2 stuff. I don't mind the 7s Massey Ferguson, Kubota M7001 series, don't really care for the new John Deere at all and not really the NH either. I believe a lot of electronics are there because the manufacturers create a need rather than because people have asked for them.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Thanks Clarence
It's a heap of junk!!!! I'm sure you will have it up n running soon. Sure has been abused hopefully the previous owner doesn't have anything new or a farm with livestock.
It did come from a stock farm. Which worries me a bit!
It is scrap. Purchase a different one to rebuild and sell parts off of this one. Looks like the tractor came from 3 rd world country where they beat the hell out of tractors. My 2 cents.
It should have been scrap, but it's too late, I'm going to go the whole Squatch253 on it. Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel ok , if you do then I expect to see a museum piece when you are finished. I’m sure Lord Muck will want to get some grease on his coveralls helping you .👍👍👍🇺🇸✌🏻😀