@@RickReasonnz I almost played them with a group of in grad school, but they all preferred different games, and none of us wanted to learn the rules lol
The best part of becoming an atheist was when I finally, completely stopped believing there was someone listening to all my thoughts. It took 40 years but I got my privacy back.
@wowthat9418My inner thoughts: "Hmmm, I wonder what percentage of a fart it would be possible to grab and toss." If God could hear my inner monologue, he'd send another flood without hesitation.
I'm an atheist and I still have a weird fear of thinking of weird shit in public. mostly just cause my dumbass is like "what if someone is a mind reader and I don't know?!"
@@HolyKoolaid "Who are we that an onippppootent being would care how you touchhh yourselllf". Thx, Strawmanning is totally embarassing so 'our side' (and yes, fellow Left-Wing-Atheist, we ARE on the same side) is f-ing embarassing. Cannnn you stoppppp? I hear this s-it you said AS AN EXCUSE for 'every single sexual-Perversion imaginable' all the time, and just in General: Atheist-Youtubrs seem to have a Religion nowadays, its called Consent and if you have Consent ABSOLUTELY F-ING EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED. Of course thats not how Consent works, but i still face it again and again. I see it again and againnn. When will we face we have a problem in our community when i myself can literally obliterate peoples confidence in their dumba$$-stance on 'something' by saying 'I humbly introduce you to the Cooncept-of-Incest', therefore establishing a PRECEDENCEE for when Consent has - GASP - not fixed something?
For me as a kid being told God, angels, and even demons were always watching me and listening to my thoughts (even implanting thoughts into my head) and being taught I was a "wicked sinner" deserving the worst torture unimaginable, I'm pretty sure gave me serious religious PTSD. I was afraid of my own brain, my thoughts, and my body (being a girl and leading boys to sinful thoughts). I had nightmares every night and anxiety attacks that developed into sleep paralysis (also terrifying) due to sleep deprivation because I was told Demons would destroy me in my sleep! Talk about psychological torture. I'm so glad the only person inside my head is me and only me. Letting go of the belief in the boogie man and an even more terrifying God was truly my saving grace.
And this is why I tell ALL Christians I meet that are smug bastards that Christianity is child abuse . "Any religion that tells children that unless you believe I'm my imaginary friend you will be tortured forever. " is just evil.
You say that what you experienced as a child was psychological torture, and you're right. However, I wonder if you've accepted and internalised the fact that there's another name for what the adults in your life did to you when you were a kid: child abuse. The people who inflicted this on you may have been victims themselves, and they may have believed they were doing it for your good, but that's also the case in the sort of child abuse which results in serious physical injury or death.
@@allanmason3201 I do recognise that now as hard as it is to accept. I find whenever I speak about my upbringing and experiences me and my siblings all had growing up people tell me how it was child abuse. Whether my parents did it intentionally or just out of repeating the same abuse done to them I don't know. They knew they hurt me when I brought things up to them, but instead they got angry then told me to forget about it and never speak about my childhood to anyone because it'll ruin their image (which is true). Yeah...that part tho. But I can't just bottle it up either. It's difficult. 😥
@@allanmason3201 ...sad, but true! my parents never talked to me about the depression, hitler...etc... and i never heard details about their struggles growing up being dirt poor but i learned early on that they were angry 'christians'. they thought the lord was making their lives better just by believing. i was also taught this garbage...especially being a girl knowing we had no rights...
When I was about 13 and all through my teens, my dad would say that a good way to “avoid temptation” is to remember that God sees all. So if kissing your boyfriend “goes too far”, God is right there watching you, and he’s disappointed in you. My reaction was usually first, repulsion at the idea, and then to mention, disgusted, “yeah, but that means if you’re married and having sex, He’s still watching you then too.” My dad always said that in that case it’s “holy” and God approves, so it’s fine, but I never understood that perspective. The idea of someone I didn’t consent to watching me and my partner during a private moment is just vile to me. It also was weird to me that a piece of paper and a quick ceremony was the difference between sex being something that deserves torture for eternity or is considered holy in my dad’s eyes. That’s just bizarre. Seeing sex as holy at all is bizarre to me.
It makes sense if you think of it in terms of power and control. Encouraging parishioners to have children that they indoctrinate from birth helps the church to grow. Also, telling people that the natural urge to hook up as teens is sinful instills constant guilt which they then have to go back to church to absolve. It all works together to keep as many people as possible under the church’s control.
What is really disgusting is when church leaders and members go on and on about how certain types of sex between consenting adults is wrong. Yet, we constantly see that these same people (many of them) happen to be the biggest pedophiles and rapists around.
Do not open the tantric door then. 😂Really, there's a connection in the western world between mysticism, occultism and sex. From the dionysian mysteries (which are highly especulative from pottery images, no text survived to base this on) ecstasy of Santa Teresa de Jesús, initiation rites in mordern secret orders, etc. Yes, there are links between religion, cults and sexual practices. Mostly because if you're trying to come up with an holistic cosmogony, a final explanation for everything, you cannot forget about anything, not even sex.
When someone asks me that, I say "why would I regret it?" and then listen to their amusing reasons why I should. Often I end with "I never thought of that! Your arguments convinced me! I now believe Bacchus exists." ( sometimes I use Prometheus and when they ask why I tell them we have fire, that proves Prometheus exists)
5:30 God operates like the mafia. "Pay me tribute every month and I'll protect your shop" "Protect my shop from what?" "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't pay me"
This was the exact thing that made me really start questioning my belief. I saw a former friend of mine caption a post on her IG with this: "If you want protection from God, respect others." My first thought was the question "Is God the Mafia?" I thought the quote sounded like bad theology at first, since I knew my former friend to have a limited understanding of the Bible. But as I sat down and actually pondered the question, I realised God really is the Mafia, if not worse, and my former friend was onto something. I lament that our disputes beforehand had driven us apart, for I wish to thank her for giving me new understanding.
One of the many reasons why I became an atheist is because I could no longer tolerate the BS when it comes down to religion. Also having served in the military and having served overseas I got a different perspective on how the world is. Therefore I am very happy that I got off the religious plantation and I have absolutely no regrets.
@@samuelschick8813 Its the same principle as torture. When under extreme duress people will say and do anything to "save" them, literally or metaphorically, or to make the pain stop. How this doesnt occur to the hyper religious I have no idea, but here we are.
I used to be closed minded and the typical American until I moved to Japan for a few months, which followed by me wanting to visit the entire world after that. Traveling will make you check your religious views. Everything I was indoctrinated into believing as an American teen in private Christian school was just pure religious propaganda that I am still trying to unplug myself from.
I’m glad I left Christianity 6 months ago at the age of 24. I got tired of all the “end times” that never came and hateful bull shit they kept spreading.
It's quite creepy that they constantly want the world to end and are advocating eternal torment for those who dont exactly think the same way as they do
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Fun fact : According to the bible the only ones that specifically are suffering forever in the lake of fire are the beast, the false prophet and the devil. For the rest the lake of fire is the second death, meaning they die again but for all eternity.
This is a refreshing examination of a core - but terrifying - Christian belief. Realizing that there was no benevolent God always with me was the beginning of my deconversion. But the "god" totting up the times I lied or lusted in my heart, while simultaneously watching children being horrifically abused and doing nothing, is a monster - if such a god existed.
I agrue with my sister about that same topic and she always says that is his plan but I always say if you seen that happening wouldn't you try to stop it especially if you are the creator
@@jamespattillo2766exactly. If you're an omnipotent being, capable of making anything happen, then whatever plan you have can be accomplished without children being abused or dying slow deaths from cancer. All he should need to do is snap his fingers and {poof} his plan is accomplished. Since he doesn't do that is sounds like children suffering and dying _IS_ his plan, like he gets some perverse satisfaction out of it. Or, the more logical thinking, there is no perfect eternal plan because there is no omnipotent being.
@@stygiantwst Just show her the law on negligent homicide. Even us idiot humans have rationalized that if you just stand around and do nothing while having the power to do something, you become complicit.
I think that expression neatly contains the contradictory BS at the core of Christianity. Jesus is _claimed_ to be the earthly sales rep for a god of love. Yet that deity is supposed to be the same eternal and unchanging Yahweh of the Old Testament, and that book is full of tales of him proving that he's a sadistic, needy, manipulative a-hole.
I had been told that fear more of a result of our love for god. As in, we love and respect god so much that we bow in fearful deference to him... kinda fucked.
What sealed my decision to become an atheist was when I went through a very deep and dark depression. I was so broken and extremely suicidal. I remember multiple times crying so hard that I could hardly breathe and literally begging out loud for help from "something". Anything. I was basically begging for "god" to please help save me from myself and to show me that there is more to life than what I was feeling. If there was anyone/anything out there to please just help me. And when absolutely nothing happened I knew without a doubt there is no God. There is just us and we can only depend on ourselves. I have thankfully overcome that part of my life and it was only by the grace of MYSELF and reaching out to professionals that I was able to do so. Thank you for all you do for this community Thomas! It is very much appreciated!
Wow. Congratulations on surviving your trauma. My wife is terribly ill. I cry out every day, and hourly sometimes when I am helping her through the worst of her times. She has severe gastroparesis, so we are fighting to keep her alive. She is down to 104 pounds. It is hard to believe God doesn't render crumbs of mercy to her sometimes. Just heartbreaking. I constantly wonder if I am not doing something right, angering God, failing my wife in some way. I have enjoyed a blessed life, and I honestly believe God has been with me throughout my life. Yet, here I am, feeling abandoned. I haven't given up, but it is clear God sometimes wants us to believe we are on our own. I waffle between believing that, believing I've done something wrong, and sometimes wondering if I'm completely delusional. How did you finally come to a conclusion and find peace? Did you not feel as if God walked with you prior to this traumatic event? Thank you. ❤
@@neomatrix6115I'm sad that you're going through this double trauma. Please reach out to medical professionals for your wife and mental health professionals for yourself.
@mattsadventureswithart5764 Of course. Done both for 3 years now. Thanks for the kind reply. Still trying to decide if religion is helping or dragging me down... ❤️
i can remember my mother saying i couldn't do anything without god. when i had my first child and was beginning to sour on my religious teachings (only because when i had her i realized i didn't want to teach her about scary things!!) i rebelled. i never took my daughter to church but for years i felt guilty if i didn't have her pray with me before bedtime even knowing i didn't believe it anymore. that's proof that brainwashing is real. it's like munchousing (sp) syndrome. you can't leave your abuser. after being away from that religious influence for a while i realized that if there was a god...he (or) she gave me a brain!! i didn't need to lean on god or wait & be patient...
@@neomatrix6115hey.... I'm going thru something very similar to you...... Physically and emotionally as well. I've been a believer for 20 yrs but seriously questioning everything even though I've had real spiritual experiences ... BUT I wanted to tell you I just watched a story a few weeks ago about a person that had what your wife has and reversed it completely by eating a meat only diet. Just wanted to share in case you're interested in learning more and maybe this could help her too. I would look on UA-cam for things like "carnivore diet for _____." And fill in the blank with her diagnosis and see what you find. Hope this helps. Hope your wife finds health again soon. Hugs to you both 🫂❣️😊
I remember believing as a child that when there were flashes of lighting, it was god taking photos of me🫠. It’s kind of funny now, but back then it was terrifying. My mom actually taught us that not only god was constantly looking at us, but every single person in heaven. So if we sinned, billions of people, including god were upstairs shaking their heads in disgust. So for me as a kid, it made sense that everyone in heaven was taking pictures of me sleeping etc when there was lighting. I’m so glad I’m free from all that nonsense and constantly feeling judged.
@@HolyKoolaid OMG, yesss same when my both of my grandparents died. As if you weren’t already dealing with grieving a loved one, you’d had to deal with the guilt of knowing they too were now constantly watching you.
@@undrwatropium3724 Yes very much so! I’m still dealing with religious trauma, but doing a lot better than before. My heart would literally hurt from the constant anxiety I used to feel day in, day out.
👍 Serious topic, presented very nicely. I even had to giggle sometimes. I have been a Christian for 35 years, and left Religion this year. Only now I see the toxicity of it. Your videos are very helpful, and your humor makes it easier to approach serious topics. Thank you!! Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Question: Now that you've left, and that you're in Germany, do you now have to report that you are not a believer for the purposes of automatically tithing your salary?
The first time I went to Sunday school I was taught about Adam and Eve. And the first thing that popped in my head was how the hell did a entire civilization come from only two people . I mean I was a little kid and I knew it couldn't happen without incest !!!!
its the most funny stuff asking a Christian how 2 people made an entire civilization of people, my grandmother likes to say that "back then god made that not matter" like what? how?
@@Joshua_Cline Most of the bible is symbolic and not historically accurate. The problem is that a lot of Christians think everything written in the bible is actual objective truth.
Growing up in a narcissistic "Christian family" led me to attempt suicide by firearm. I luckily survived, and now the thought of going back to church makes me literally sick. My friend tried to drag me to church and I literally had a sweaty panic attack and my wound channel started burning. That's the gospel 🙏.
I never had such trauma from religion, but even I am violently repulsed by the idea of going to church. Still, I don’t have PTSD like you seem to have. Good luck with that, and enjoy your life.
As a child, living in family of non-believers raised by non-believers, I never realized how privileged I was. Religion was just something some others had, not to taken very seriously. It could range from Ganesh, Jesus, Moses to Mohamed. But during adolescence, I began to find out that some peers might have serious pain and trouble with the superstitions they were raised with. .
Your video on contradictions in the bible helped start the chain reaction that got me to stop believing in the mormon church. This channel never fails to help when I start having doubts about my decision. The longer I have stopped believing, the more creepy all these concepts and delusions feel to me.
This video hits the nail on the head. I was that young man agonizing over his lust and tormenting himself over his inconsequential "sins". Words can't describe the freedom I feel without feeling like there's a divine psychopath watching every move I make
Yep. And f it wasn't bad enough having your sexual thoughts being monitored as a young person, acting on them-even by yourself - was impossible without constantly reminding yourself that their was a really old guy watching you... I believe that is psychological trauma!
Hay! I'm still here: Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you Every single day And every word you say Every game you play Every night you stay I'll be watching you I dream at night, I can only see your face I look around, but it's you I can't replace I feel so cold, and I long for your embrace I keep crying, baby, baby please😢
Thats mostly unique to catholicism and fundamentalist dogma. THere are ALL kinds of christians that don't believe that malarky. I don't remember Jesus ONCE saying 'dont jack off'. What he DID say was that the sin committed was NOT the issue, it was the thought behind it, which is fairly true and wise. For adultery he said "dude, don't even THINK about it, no good will come of it'. I sometimes imagine him following that up with 'there are lots of single fish in the sea'. So thats just PRACTICAL advice, and straight from the zoroastrians.
@mikearchibald744 recovered catholic here. It doesn't need to say"thall shalt not jacketh offith" with the all-knowing, all-seeing, all- powerful god, it's sage to assume that he is watching you.
I had to go to an evangelical church 3x a week growing up. Even as a child I thought it was bizarre but couldn’t express that. Even when god was killing babies the adults would say amen. Freaked me out. I remember thinking that when I grow up I would understand. I grew up and now I understand. But not in the way I expected.
If god is always watching, that makes him a sadistic exhibitionist who watches children SA'd for years, men & women being SA'd, or even people who are trapped or stranded in the middle of no where... watching them suffer a slow and agonizing death. All while he watches on silence. I guess God has his own personal Red Room like on the dark web.
One of the biggest reliefs I've had since becoming an atheist is knowing there's no God, Satan, demons, jinn or ghosts watching me. Im positive that's what caused my anxiety for decades
Yeah, because how does anyone really know what they worship? If I were the devil I would make myself look good and fool everyone into worshipping me. In fact Jesus might have tried to warn people about the evil christian god and thats why they crucified him. Think about it, they use the very same torture device as a symbol of their faith!
Having been raised by two devout Atheist parents, I’ve had a lifelong morbid fascination with religion and mythology (a very blurry line). Even after having fairly intense and deep conversations with friends, acquaintances and relative strangers, I am impressed by the bravery, honesty and thoughtfulness of people for whom religion was once a deeply held foundation of their epistemology. I understand the caricature of the Angry Atheist. If I felt that people important in my life and thinking had lied to me or deceived me I would be Very Angry indeed. It must be a great relief to lay down a burden of bullshit. I applaud all of you who have made that difficult & fraught passage.
I have been an atheist since I was 7 or 8. So my experience is very much like yours. I have a difficult time occasionally relating to people who are new to this lack of belief. I feel so bad for the pain and bullshit they had to endure for so many years. It has always seemed to me to be an act of superhuman courage to after so long say no more. I am in awe of them. I usually don't relate to much of my experience to them. I grow uncomfortable with their (it's not envy) but longing for my experience. If I tell them how my sister and I had to come out to our mother because we kept getting in trouble at church and Sunday school. The priest made us sit in the front pews so he could keep an eye on us. I was 6 she was 8 or 9 and a born radical. When the adults stopped answering my sister's questions she would feed them to me. That went on for a month or two. We told our mom the truth. And she asked us why, were we positive, had we thought about it and when did this start and why it did. An army chaplain used his go-to response about why our dad had to die. God needed him so he called him to serve in heaven. I still don't blame or hate him for that. I'm sure he had used it in the past and it worked out fine. I do not envy him his job. But at that moment I became an enemy of that god and hated him more than I have ever hated before or since. That gave me a different perspective. Things seemed to be a bit odd. Two years go by and I could not understand how the adults let alone anyone could believe this crap. Well it turned out that good ol mom lost her faith way before my birth. And the only reason we had any enjoyment was the doughnuts at the end of service. So we bought our own doughnuts and enjoyed our Sunday mornings. And growing up that way was kind of exciting and a little edgy. It was like we were spys or fifth columnists. We shared a secret that made us different/better. Sorry I rambled at you. As I said I rarely ever have the chance to relate my experience with someone who understands it. Have a wonderful night.
“It must be a great relief to lay down the burden of bullshit” So beautifully stated. That’s exactly it. It IS a huge relief. When Biden won I will never forget my mom saying “well I sure hope Jesus comes back soon”. I’ve never forgotten what an ugly sentiment that is. She wants all the people she disagrees with to go to hell?! My goodness. For all the preaching they do about love… it seems like it’s a rare trait to find (around here anyway- in a small southern town).
@@Mrs.Magix58 Facetious: 1590s, from French facétieux (16c.), from facétie "a joke" (15c.), from Latin facetiae "jests, witticisms" (singular facetia), from facetus "witty, elegant, fine, courteous," which is of unknown origin, perhaps related to facis "torch." Formerly often in a good sense, "witty, amusing," but later implying a desire to be amusing that is often intrusive or ill-timed. Related: Facetiously; facetiousness. "Facetiæ in booksellers' catalogues, is, like curious, a euphemism for erotica." [Fowler] Probably primarily the second sense. Have a good weekend.
My home town has a much MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller statue of Mary on a hill. Now, you can't see it from anywhere in town, but when at school, we always could. I always found it arrogant that one faction of believer got to display their private icon upon all of us who didn't care for it. It's also similar to the 'new' Elf on a Shelf phenomenon, that having your children to be continually observed and judged is somehow a good thing. Never been religious, but I feel very strongly about that poor people who feel the gaze of judgement on them no matter what they do. That really must suck.
@@RickReasonnz Nah. I grew up in Lower Hutt, and the statue of the Blessed Saturn V was an easy way to distinguish 'Pram and know it was only the Paekak' hill to go
This is good. I entered Christian college (almost on a lark) after being brought up in a very secular household (by parents who were raised evangelical..so I found out AFTER their deaths by the postmortem reading of my mom's diaries). Being brought up secular inoculated me against the TOXIC nature of God's "love". I did try to become Christian but only because I was desperately in love with my (bachelor/virgin) French proff. I started exploring apologetics long after finally accepting that I am atheist. Now watching this, I think about my French proff; (intelligent guy who was working on his doctorate in French at the time of our friendship) buying in to these toxic ideas which are contrary to his warm, friendly & generous nature. I'm now 61 which makes him 73. Listening to this, I just keep thinking that the cost of toxic Christianity to one's useful intelligence is tragic.😭
What a great comment. In my 20's I ended a relationship with someone I was in love with, because I so firmly believed in "not being unequally yoked." Now in my 50's I still wonder about what might have been. This is what I think of when people say, "What harm does it cause?"
@@roadrunner9622 yeah I was familiar with the term. My French proff regretted letting me go. He tried to get back together but by then I knew I was atheist and I told him I couldn't be unequally yoked.
I love the name of your channel "Holy Koolaid". It says so much. You really speak to me. I was raised conservative Christian by a religious mom and an atheist scientist dad. Their marriage worked: he respected and loved my mom, and thought we should learn about religion, and then make up our own minds as adults. We would troop off to Sunday School and church, while Dad got into his grubby clothes to work on the yard, and he'd wave bye-bye. I was a Christian for over 50 years, and gradually lost my faith. I was dismayed at how people used religion as a money-making con or a cudgel to control people. But I loved my church friends, the singing, the community, the holidays. I can still get that in other ways, but most of my family remains Christian and crazy Christian at that. It is lonely, and I feel, at times, isolated and estranged. But I love the reality, the embracing of science, and the kindness of accepting all people, not just the ones who are in one religion. I feel close to my long-gone atheist and rational Dad. Thanks for discussing the struggle, the process, and the difficult aspects of accepting reality. You are doing a good thing.
When I was in Rio de Janeiro in May, the story I was told about the Jesus statue was that back in the day, a lot of Brazilians were concerned that Rio was losing the faith. If you have been to any samba parties, concerts, or even just one of the more famous beaches like Copacabana or Ipanema, you'll see where this concern came from. Your feelings that the statue was watching you everywhere was exactly what it was designed to do. But we can also get a good laugh out of it because it was a massive failure. In the decades since it was finished, the samba parties have only gotten wilder, the beaches less modest, and carnival is further from its Catholic origins than ever. And, of course, booze is everywhere. Yeah, I had a really good time in Rio. I actually went up to the Jesus statue, but I really didn't give a rat's tail about the statue itself. I was way more interested in the geology of the mountain it's on. That is the other great thing about Rio de Janeiro. It's a geological wonder. Rio de Janeiro was one of the last parts of South America to break away from Africa when the south Atlantic Ocean opened up at the end of the Cretaceous. Sugarloaf mountain is actually the long frozen magma chamber of a long extinct volcano that formed over the rift zone that is still active under the middle of the Atlantic Ocean today. The fact that it was so hard for the mid-Atlantic rift zone to break Rio away from Africa formed many mountains and several volcanoes in the area. Once the continents finally separated about 65 million years ago, erosion sculpted the land into what we see today. Rio is one of the few places where you don't have to be a geologist to find evidence of the higher sea level in the Miocene. 6 million years ago, there was no ice in Greenland, and only about half as much ice in Antarctica as there is today. Sea level was 20 meters higher in the miocene. This created a whole different set of beaches, bays, swamps, and islands hundreds of meters to several kilometers inland from the current shoreline. You can actually see erosion marks from crashing miocene waves in multiple places around Rio de Janeiro. The best-known example is the two rock outcrops on the opposite ends of Copacabana Beach. They were small islands during the miocene. From the top of the sugarloaf mountain, you can see how ancient tides and storm surges eroded away the rock 6 million years ago. Fossils of shark teeth have been found several kilometers inland on beaches that haven't seen a wave in 6 million years. I could go on all day about the geology of Rio de Janeiro, but I'll leave it with this. Maybe while you are in Rio de Janeiro, you should make a mini series called something like how Rio de Janeiro disproves Genesis.
When I clicked on a holy koolaid video, I didn't expect a geology lesson, but here I am with new knowledge. Thank you, stranger. Now, of course, I really want to visit Rio, not giving you so many thanks for that 😝😜😛
Funny thing is Ezekiel 18:20 says that the children don't pay for the sins of the parents and parents don't pay for the children's sins. They even explain it in the commentaries how unfair it would be. So why do billions pay for eating from the Tree of Knowledge? Even christian logic on Ezekiel shows that to be idiocy.
Because Deuteronomy 5:9 says, "I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the punishment of the fathers on the children, even on the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me." The Bible is full of contradictions and can mean whatever you want it to.
Anyone who would allow their own child to be tortured to death for the mistakes THEIR CREATION made…. That’s not just narcissistic. That’s psychopathy.
I was thinking that God is the type of father that would leave power tools around, then let his kids get hurt by playing with said power tool, beat the crap out of the kids, then, pat himself on the back for being a good father. Just don't ask why he just leaves the power tools where kids can get it or you'll be called a stupid ass.
The more I thought about this portion of Judeo-Christian mythology, the less sense it made to me - angels supposedly lack “free will” (something that’s supposed to be exclusive to humanity), but somehow a number of them managed to rebel against their omnipotent creator and establish their own kingdom? The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the more double-think you must employ to get the idea to resemble anything rational…
@@robertmoore2049- In the bible, god says he created good and evil. That he would set evil loose on naive humans, who were expressly denied knowledge of good and evil, is evil in itself. I don’t believe any of that story. And Christians have tortured it into a requirement for “salvation.” The Jews for whom it was written certainly don’t get that from it, nor do the vast majority take it literally.
It's actually funny when you think how most (if not all) Christians smugly said how anyone could be a Cthulhu cultists, not realizing that they are exactly the same as those fictional humans.
I mean, once you read the Cthulhu mythos, you realize how similiar Yahweh is to the eldritch abominations. I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually the case
@@DemiRurge Exactly. One of my first sentiment when I thought carefully about the whole concept of Cthulhu mythos was: "Wait, what's the major difference between this and Christianity/Islam?"
But Cthulhu isn’t judging you for every little thought in your mind - in fact, Cthulhu doesn’t give a shit what you do so long as you’re sacrificing enough virgins to him! The Judeo-Christian “god” concept, on the other hand, is a complete control freak that wants you to conform every thought and action to its own ideas of “right” and “wrong” at all times! I’ll take Cthulhu over “god” any day of the week…
My favorite bible quote about god's presence is, "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
So when I was 13, a girl invaded my autonomy and then also forceful her way past me to introduce herself to my mom. All this happened within an hour of meeting her. My mom's response was to say I must have done something to give her the wrong idea, then my mother served my diner in a dog bowl. Because apparently I was acting like a dog, by getting that girl's attention. My mother was a devout christian. The girl later said she wanted to be my girlfriend. She seemed nice because I couldn't recognize that she was violating my boundaries. The courtship was nice and innocent, but very short because she moved away. But a whole year later she returned and when she caught me moving on with my life she got really abusive. But a toxic Christian mother taught me that I don't deserve to have boundaries. And I was made to feel guilty for moving on with my life, in the end the girl would not forgive me and never let me have closure. I carried that guilt and shame around with me for like 35 years. I prayed all the time to the christian God to forgive me and to heal my feelings of shame. And only recently I started working on my healing journey.
Another great video. Former evangelical. Deconstructed years back. Best thing that ever happened to me. I'm just a follower of Jesus now, wouldn't go near church if you paid me, and am quite ok with being totally wrong. Judgement of others has flown out the window, and I'm seeing the love in so many other people of whatever faith or no faith at all. Life is complex, but I've learnt hope in love in the most important thing. Self love is also so important. That's something me and many of those who used to go to church have to actually learn. When you're having the doctrine of hell rammed down your throat it's kinda hard to feel good about yourself, let alone love yourself. Peace and love to you all folks ❤
I've existed as an atheist from around 13 years old. My parents raised us, 6 of us as Methodist, an extremely relaxed welcoming religion out of many that are not. I chose to stop going to church with my family at 13 years old. My parents allowed all of us to choose for ourselves at 13. I being an extremely curious open minded young boy could not see the logic in religion, to me it appeared completely man made for all the wrong reasons.
Every time I have ever heard someone say "if you have nothing to hide, you should have nothing to fear", even from the very first time I heard it, my immediate thought was "it's not that I am ashamed of who I am, it is that *YOU* are ashamed of who I am, and you make it *MY* problem somehow!"
i read recently that gen z and younger are heavily turning against organized religion. a couple of reasons was because (one) it was so time consuming, restrictive and too monetary...and (two) they have too much power & influence in government over peoples lives...but mostly... aren't in line with a progressive future and climate change laws...i am inspired by the younger set!!
@alitafullarmor5957 Humanity used the will of God thousands of times for its benefit. Yet Christ came and tried to restore a bit from what the wicked made with it. But once more, this fallen land used it. Look for some reason i got a liking into you so. Just dont spit in God's face when he tries to save you. And please remember that you are ignorant all of you are. So please think and think once more if what you had done was worth for you or for everyone. Seek truth. God bless you
@@alitafullarmor5957absolute fax brother the historical Jesus never taught that "if you don't worship me you will go to h***" no historians mentioned it. Yes he had followers yes he was killed but he was a really nice person and never taught that shit it was written by men to bring people to their religion
I am SO glad I became an atheist! When I was a Christian I was constantly tormenting myself whenever I had a lusty or bad thought because I KNEW God was listening and would be angry at me for it. So I was constantly apologizing to God for screwing up and not being "perfect". I thought that I was a lousy Christian for having less than pure thoughts. (I honestly believed that other Christians were leading these perfect lives and never "sinned".) As I got older and wiser I realized what BS that was and now that I am an atheist I realize it is OK to be human and the sense of freedom is remarkable! So thank you for all you do!
Actually, Google stats show thst these highly religious states download more porn than any other, with Utah the land of Mormons heading the list. They hate gays, but love gay porn.
I feel you. Sometimes I wish I was raised in a more moderate religious home or an atheistic home. But imagine the “sin” guilt, but with lesbian lusty thoughts and nb gender dysphoria. All I can say is that it isn’t fun.
Everyone is born an Atheist. The crime is using every mind control technique in the book to break them by getting them to believe things that are demonstrably and observably false. THEN you can tell them to give you 1/10 of their pre-tax earnings and no one bats an eye...
What you discuss here is EXACTLY what I was was taught in Catholic school religion class in the 5th grade at age 10 - that God has a book with my name on it; that 'He' monitors and makes note of my every thought, word and deed; and that after I die I will have to stand before the Almighty Judge who will go through the book with me and decide my eternal fate. I'm 68, stopped believing in a god and any related nonsense nearly half a century ago. But still, despite having successfully worked through lots of 'issues' with the help of therapy, I CONTINUE to be plagued by this pervasive FEELING that I'm being watched and judged every second of the day! I know it's just my brain, not a mind-permeating supernatural overlord, but I can't get rid of the feeling! It may just be that that particular piece of indoctrination, which distressed me for years, cut a permanent groove into a slice of my brain and can't be undone.
I think you should flaunt it. Walk around naked, do whatever you want, and be like, “ What are you looking at god? You perv “, 😅 Laughter may heal you. Best wishes.
Losing my faith was a little traumatizing at first, like when it starts to dawn on you that Santa Claus is really mom and dad. But being liberated from self judgment and the need to appease an imaginary sky daddy was and remains priceless.
A devout Catholic in my neighborhood used to say something like she wish everybody have a religion so we'd stop fighting wars & killing each other. This is precisely the point. When every religious group feel their religion teaches the truth and other groups are wrong we have wars. It's like the John Lennon song "Imagine". A world without religion is a world where everybody would live in peace and as one. We can be spiritual without affiliating with a specific religion or religious group.
According to the encyclopedia of wars of the 1763 wars only 7 percent were religious and of that seven percent 2/3 of it the culprit is Islam. More wars and killings have been political and ecomical than religious 🙄 Such as the Cambodian Genocide Vietnam war Korean War Ww2 Ww1. Starvation mass killings of Soviet Russia and China. Athiesism has killed far more people in the past century.
Yeah that doesn’t work too well either. John Lennon got shot, and religion free nations murdered millions of their own citizens. The correct thing to remove is dogma. Regardless of if it’s religious, political, etc.
"Spirituality" is a slippery slope. It's more honest to acknowledge there might be a creator no one has the vaguest clue about and instead, strive to live in harmony that does not harm or contradict the natural order (physics/ math + biology + other humans + genetic coding + ecosystems...).
The abusive marriage to my ex was a catalyst to leaving my faith. And I did feel “groomed” by my belief system, as you so eloquently stated. But one thing, in 1984 they DID police thought crime. The protagonist was questioned and tortured into confessing he killed his wife (he didn’t, he only thought about it). Granted, it was 15 years ago when I read Orwell, so the details are hazy. Another critical crime committed was the sexual relationship he had with…I think her name was Julie? So, there is a bit of patrolling by Big Brother somewhat on par with the Christian god is said to do.
Hello Thomas, I've been following you and channel for years. This video speaks to me the most. While you generally produce excellent content, I really want to thank you for making this video. Thanks Thomas!
Growing up I didn't understand how you could have free will if god knows all outcomes before they happen. It just didn't make sense to me. It was probably the first thing that started me moving towards the atheist position, even if it took 20 more years to get there.
We leave the belief behind. Now we get to process the religious trauma and toxic shame with years of therapy. But the first step to healing is separation from the source of the injury.
@@HolyKoolaid @jamesmoore6424 I entered my teens right after "accepting" christ, because it was what I was supposed to do. (My belief was always shaky, and a deep, internal shame I long bore.) Heaping emotional and mental abuse on top of teen angst messed me up badly. I survived my teens through suicide ideation, and continued the habit for almost two decades. One night, I literally shredded my ego in the most vicious and vile ways possible (I don't recommend it). When I ran out, I was left with one thought, "None of that is true." Skepticism (evidence-based critical thinking), saved my life, otherwise, I might have gone through with suicide (I had researched how to kill myself). The shedding of that emotional baggage was the most freeing experience in my life.
I became an athiest when I asked why we cant cut out the middleman. By that I mean "why cant the universe just exist and not need a creator...if god is needed what created god? Oh.... always existed? So why cant Universe just always exist?" I was 7 at the time
This might be tmi but i remember when i was an early adolescent and discovering the touch of my own hand, before starting i would pray: "Dear God, please forgive me for what i am about to do, please help me not to do it in the future. And please dont let anyone watch me from Heaven. Amen." The same. Everytime. How traumatic all of that BS was. Glad i found my way.
Interesting point I always bring up when someone mentions naughty kids get coal for Christmas: Post-ghost Ebenezer Scrooge gave his employees coal and they were happy about it. Coal used to be the defacto method of keeping warm. So the good kids get super fun, frivolous gifts. The naughty kids get something practical that an adult would be grateful for. It's just the equivalent of getting a winter coat instead of that new Nintendo game you really wanted.
It was the full realization of what omnipresence/omniscience means that drove me literally crazy (in a medical sense) and I'm STILL struggling with it's after effects
Wishing you well with all my heart! Yes, it is creepy how conditioned I used to be and others still are. It's one thing to lose faith and another to truly grasp the nature of Yahweh. I love what you did there with Debunked. That was fun to watch on its own!
It’s just mind blowing how your perspective changes when you give yourself the freedom to question and dig in the historical facts of this belief. This is the hard part for the believers since they are teach to not question “gods word” and accept authority with out no doubt. I know because for 58 years I didn’t question or doubt my belief. I’m 62 and can’t believe that I believed in this absurdity.
One of the funniest but saddest things I've noticed about Christians is how _sure_ they are that _they'll_ get to heaven and escape hell fire. The book of Revelation literally says there will be a great apostasy and the "elect" will be decieved. Imagine worshiping a god who sets up every hurdle possible, and being prideful about it. The irony...
I always wondered how is it fair for Jesus to physically appear over a millennia ago, yet he won’t go out of his way to physically expose himself onto us and fill us with his benevolence?
Favorite religion videos on UA-cam. You did me wonders years back finally completely moving on, ofc I hadn’t believed for a long time but didn’t want to break the routines if that makes sense. Thank you.
"Tissue?" Lmao. But yeah. He's all "I'm watching over everything you do. You can not escape me. I'm there when you're praying, fornicating or pooping. I can even read your thoughts. That's how powerful I am. Huh? Oh, no. I'm not going to ever do anything. Save innocent people from cancer? Ha ha. Oh, you're a funny one. No, I'm not doing any of that. I'm all around you and all through you. I watch everything you do, think or say but I will never act in any way that's detectable, measurable, confirmable or disconfirmable. You're welcome."
It's interesting how our feeling of being observed, or even stalked, which was very real when we were evolving on the open savannahs of Africa, has been carried over to the imaginary world of the supernatural. We just can't seem to shake that feeling, so we made up a character to embody it.
OMG I never thought of it like that. Who do we need saving from?????!!!! That will be my first response to the question, “Have you been saved?” Great video as always ❤
The idea about your sins being forgiven and your slate being wiped clean is that come judgement day, instead of you being judged, Jesus is judged in your place. But the idea of eternal punishment is really hard to accept for temporary transgressions, regardless of how severe. That I totally agree with you.
Death abides upon everyone. Eveybody will eventually die the soul that sins shall die Ezekiel 18:20 God is the giver of life and he has the right to take it away. This fallen world is only temporary but God promises to see us through it all and return to our eternal home safely.
It’s so cool to see Stevens game, Debunked, being advertised here! I purchased it even before it was released and it really is a fun game to play. You learn a lot about fallacious arguments but you have a lot of fun doing it. It’s made it so much easier for me to recognize fallacies when debating Christian’s. And Hitch’s wife gave him permission to use his likeness for the game. This was a great video!!
I always look forward to your videos. You echo the same thoughts I went through when I abandoned religion over a decade ago. The thing is it was frightening and I wish I had you to normalize it back then. The shift is so difficult because the ideas are hammered into you a minimum of every Sunday over and over. I watched documentaries about James Randi and that greased the wheels to get me out of the trap. I appreciate you providing another skeptic voice to religion to help those find a new way of thinking....if they want it.
Biting the hand that feeds you isn't going to help. Hes lavished you with everying you love. God is the source of blessings. The lord gives and the lord takes away blessed be the name of the lord Job1:21
God is omnipresent, but they teach evil is the absence of God. God is Omnipresent, but we still need him to reach out and touch us. God sent his son to forgive all the sins forever. Except for everyone who doesn’t accept him. Then you go to hell for your already forgiven sins. All of it is paradox.
This is a genuinely wonderful video. Thank you for putting everything I've struggled to put into words into a concise well thought-out structure. Never stop
I love your animations! The Birds flying in the background are a great touch! Regardless of the religious beliefs of anyone, all of humanity needs to practice empathy.
60 years ago at age 8 I started to realize something was extremely wrong. A God of unending love whips up something like hell. Huh? At least I was wise enough to not bring this up to the Nuns. I probably wouldn't have survived.
I was raised by evangelical Lutherans, but never really accepted the mythology taught to me. I actually fervently wanted to believe, but I just couldn’t reconcile the idea of a magical, Omni overlord with the reality in front of my face. When I questioned the leaders of the community, their responses left me wanting. Asking simple questions garnered animosity and frustration from the people I was conditioned to believe were highly educated about the theology. It wasn’t until my early twenties that I realized the deity of my childhood community was a moral monster and my desire for it to be demonstrably real vanished.
I remember, as a child, one during a violent thunder storm, whenI tried to speak my grandmother shouted "Be quiet, God is speaking". My reply was, " Why does he speak to us in such a terrible voice, and we can't understand him!". This was followed by a tirade from her. From then I saw that much of what I was being told was nonsensical, and fear based. This is one of the reasons that, while I grew up as a Christian, I never was a fundamentalist.
I had such bad mental health as a kid due to the beliefs that I thought god was speaking to me in my head. Repeatedly scolding me, etc. I had horrific episodes (That I learnt later in life was undiagnosed PTSD) where I screamed repeatedly that god was trying to kill me. To this day I still occasionally have delusions that someone is reading my mind. Your speech at the end really grounded me as I often neglect my achievements due to said abuse. You’re a kind person, seriously. Thank you.
I had accepted I'd spend eternity in hell because of mental illness, so no having enough faith no matter how many days a week at church, no matter how many hours of Bible study, no matter how much of me praying or others laying hands on me and praying. Mental illness stayed. Going to he'll because not enough belief. But would still have hope for others while feeling like dying inside because I wasn't good enough. An abusive god created abusive churches that are run by abusive pastors who are encouraging abusive church members. I finally feel a sense of relief and peace that I couldn't have believing this horrible god was going to punish me.
As a lifelong agnostic (with strong atheistic leanings), I find this video to be so refreshing. You have given me hope that not all the inmates running our American asylum are actually crazy and may even find a path to reason.
Everytime I see that big, ugly statue, I hear Jesus (a carpenter) saying, 'So, you want the bookcases about yea big? 'Okay, 10 sheckles, but it'll be two weeks.'
Thank you for this video. I was just talking to a couple of my friends regarding taking responsibility. That means for the bad behaviors and the good things that you do. Including, pulling yourself up when you are really down. That is something that you did yourself without any divine help. And be happy about that. It's nice to hear someone else actually say it too.
Recently discovered your channel and subscribed. Your intro reminds me of how I thought Awana Clubs (basically a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian version of Scouts) was great when I was a kid, but then, when my kids went with friends from school to Awana Clubs, and the next day, after reading the handbooks they brought home and realizing most of it was psychologically abusive gaslighting, I was relieved when they said they weren't interested in going again. (edit after watching the rest) Exactly! Well said! This describes so much of what I grew up with, what my parents believed their whole lives, what my siblings still believe, and what they expect me to believe and why they low-key shun me because I don't.
I've been saying this for years, that being in christian fundamentalism is exactly the same as being in a relationship with a raging narcissist and it perfectly grooms you to be open to abusive relationships. As an ex-mormon it's taken me years to get over the BS.
Great video as always. My journey to skepticism led me to atheism and later humanism. Skepticism gave me the tools to think critically and examine my worldviews and shift their framework to better align with nature, science, and morality (just like in a detective story where they follow the evidence and update their theories to catch the real killer instead of just convicting the butler, b/c the butler always does it as evidenced by the high conviction rate of butlers). These are not skill that we are born with, we have to develop them, just like we have to learn programming languages to program a computer to perform better. With these tools, I was able to look critically at my religious (semi-)beliefs (I wasn't the strongest or blindest faithful christian), and scrap them and shed the religious mental and emotional baggage. (I look at everything, not just religion, and update as needed.) It still took me years to undo all the damage those beliefs inflicted on me. I'm still not done. Skepticism, atheism and humanism are all things that helped me become a better person. I am happier and healthier than ever and able to mature and grow as a person instead of always dwelling on every natural impulse as a failure, every missed achievement, disaster, or trauma as punishment for failure, and every accomplishment as god's doing. I don't have to be perfect (as if there is such a thing), I just have to work to be a better version or me. I can choose my own purposes and alter them as necessary, instead of letting others define them for me. I own my morality, internalize it, and accept responsibility for the consequences of my actions, instead of washing it all away with "forgiveness." (That should really be called forgivemess - Believing that being forgiven means you can mess up again because you are "flawed" and "imperfect" and you are going to make "mistakes" again anyway.)
This video perfectly explains why I grew out of my religion. Finally someone worded my feelings. Other aetheists experience religious traumas, but i dont. I just slowly realized and questioned everything I know and used to understand and ended up having this same thoughts as the video discussed. Finally, i can send this video to those people questioning me why from being really religious, i became an atheist.
I was born and raises in Lisbon and we have a Christ statue staring at the city as well. It is smaller so you don’t see it everywhere but as a child it freaked me out. I was a strange kid who hated Jesus so this terrified me. I was convinced the statue could mind-control everyone with rays.
@@VictoriaMarch13 Oh, that was only the tip of the iceberg…Catholic school traumatized me deeply, leading me and some friends to come up with an elaborate alternate mythology/religion in which we were powerful as opposed to entirely defenseless kids in a very bad situation. We borrowed from disparate popular culture references that appealed to us- from Sailor Moon, to the Chronicles of Narnia, the X Files and Twin Peaks- to explain why the world was so twisted…yet no on else seemed to notice. In this strange mindset, the nuns running the school were evil agents working for evil Jesus; they commanded a zombie army under the Earth that would rise up when the world ended- which would happen when the book of Revelation’s predictions took place- and only we special kiss chosen by good, and imbued with special powers, could fight them and avoid this worst case scenario. In order to so this, we had to relay on prophetic dreams and knowing how to interpret popular culture, where there were clues left just for us. For example, the mind control statue thing actually came from an uncle of mine who believed the CIA used such technology via an antenna of sorts. From this, I took the mind control and the antenna as there was one attached to the statue, dropped the CIA angle as it didn’t interest me, and added the statue as it had always freaked me out as did as things Jesus.
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I have mine already! It's great!
I bought it back when it came out. I haven't had anyone to play with though...
@@JM-us3fr I bought 2 decks just to support RR. Same as you, It's just sat in a drawer. Nice quality cards though!
@@RickReasonnz I almost played them with a group of in grad school, but they all preferred different games, and none of us wanted to learn the rules lol
I want him to add an extension pack.
The best part of becoming an atheist was when I finally, completely stopped believing there was someone listening to all my thoughts. It took 40 years but I got my privacy back.
Great feeling isn't it!
@wowthat9418My inner thoughts: "Hmmm, I wonder what percentage of a fart it would be possible to grab and toss."
If God could hear my inner monologue, he'd send another flood without hesitation.
The government is listening
I'm an atheist and I still have a weird fear of thinking of weird shit in public. mostly just cause my dumbass is like "what if someone is a mind reader and I don't know?!"
@@HolyKoolaid "Who are we that an onippppootent being
would care how you touchhh yourselllf".
Thx, Strawmanning is totally embarassing
so 'our side' (and yes, fellow Left-Wing-Atheist, we ARE on the same side) is f-ing embarassing.
Cannnn you stoppppp?
I hear this s-it you said AS AN EXCUSE for 'every single sexual-Perversion imaginable' all the time, and just in General:
Atheist-Youtubrs seem to have a Religion nowadays, its called Consent and if you have Consent ABSOLUTELY
F-ING EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED. Of course thats not how Consent works, but i still face it again and again.
I see it again and againnn.
When will we face we have a problem in our community when i myself can literally
obliterate peoples confidence in their dumba$$-stance on 'something'
by saying 'I humbly introduce you to the Cooncept-of-Incest', therefore establishing a PRECEDENCEE
for when Consent has - GASP - not fixed something?
For me as a kid being told God, angels, and even demons were always watching me and listening to my thoughts (even implanting thoughts into my head) and being taught I was a "wicked sinner" deserving the worst torture unimaginable, I'm pretty sure gave me serious religious PTSD. I was afraid of my own brain, my thoughts, and my body (being a girl and leading boys to sinful thoughts). I had nightmares every night and anxiety attacks that developed into sleep paralysis (also terrifying) due to sleep deprivation because I was told Demons would destroy me in my sleep! Talk about psychological torture. I'm so glad the only person inside my head is me and only me. Letting go of the belief in the boogie man and an even more terrifying God was truly my saving grace.
And this is why I tell ALL Christians I meet that are smug bastards that Christianity is child abuse . "Any religion that tells children that unless you believe I'm my imaginary friend you will be tortured forever. " is just evil.
You say that what you experienced as a child was psychological torture, and you're right. However, I wonder if you've accepted and internalised the fact that there's another name for what the adults in your life did to you when you were a kid: child abuse. The people who inflicted this on you may have been victims themselves, and they may have believed they were doing it for your good, but that's also the case in the sort of child abuse which results in serious physical injury or death.
@@allanmason3201 I do recognise that now as hard as it is to accept. I find whenever I speak about my upbringing and experiences me and my siblings all had growing up people tell me how it was child abuse. Whether my parents did it intentionally or just out of repeating the same abuse done to them I don't know. They knew they hurt me when I brought things up to them, but instead they got angry then told me to forget about it and never speak about my childhood to anyone because it'll ruin their image (which is true). Yeah...that part tho. But I can't just bottle it up either. It's difficult. 😥
I’m so sorry you had to go through that, i’m happy that it’s over with
@@allanmason3201 ...sad, but true! my parents never talked to me about the depression, hitler...etc... and i never heard details about their struggles growing up being dirt poor but i learned early on that they were angry 'christians'. they thought the lord was making their lives better just by believing. i was also taught this garbage...especially being a girl knowing we had no rights...
When I was about 13 and all through my teens, my dad would say that a good way to “avoid temptation” is to remember that God sees all. So if kissing your boyfriend “goes too far”, God is right there watching you, and he’s disappointed in you.
My reaction was usually first, repulsion at the idea, and then to mention, disgusted, “yeah, but that means if you’re married and having sex, He’s still watching you then too.”
My dad always said that in that case it’s “holy” and God approves, so it’s fine, but I never understood that perspective.
The idea of someone I didn’t consent to watching me and my partner during a private moment is just vile to me.
It also was weird to me that a piece of paper and a quick ceremony was the difference between sex being something that deserves torture for eternity or is considered holy in my dad’s eyes.
That’s just bizarre. Seeing sex as holy at all is bizarre to me.
It makes sense if you think of it in terms of power and control. Encouraging parishioners to have children that they indoctrinate from birth helps the church to grow. Also, telling people that the natural urge to hook up as teens is sinful instills constant guilt which they then have to go back to church to absolve.
It all works together to keep as many people as possible under the church’s control.
What is really disgusting is when church leaders and members go on and on about how certain types of sex between consenting adults is wrong. Yet, we constantly see that these same people (many of them) happen to be the biggest pedophiles and rapists around.
Do not open the tantric door then. 😂Really, there's a connection in the western world between mysticism, occultism and sex. From the dionysian mysteries (which are highly especulative from pottery images, no text survived to base this on) ecstasy of Santa Teresa de Jesús, initiation rites in mordern secret orders, etc. Yes, there are links between religion, cults and sexual practices. Mostly because if you're trying to come up with an holistic cosmogony, a final explanation for everything, you cannot forget about anything, not even sex.
WHen people ask me if I regret becoming an atheist, I say I regret not doing it sooner.
The Nightmare Christians Crave
Exactly...,
I've never known not being an Atheist - 68 years of guilt free living.😊
When someone asks me that, I say "why would I regret it?" and then listen to their amusing reasons why I should. Often I end with "I never thought of that! Your arguments convinced me! I now believe Bacchus exists." ( sometimes I use Prometheus and when they ask why I tell them we have fire, that proves Prometheus exists)
@@cnault3244 Why you cheeky bastard!
5:30
God operates like the mafia.
"Pay me tribute every month and I'll protect your shop"
"Protect my shop from what?"
"From what I'm going to do to you if you don't pay me"
God can do whatever He wants.
@@isaacgloriosissimus2509 God can't do anything because he's just a fairy tale.
@@isaacgloriosissimus2509 Nice Stockholm syndrome. Have fun worshipping an imaginary bad guy
@swissarmyknight4306 God is real and one day you will find out.
This was the exact thing that made me really start questioning my belief. I saw a former friend of mine caption a post on her IG with this:
"If you want protection from God, respect others."
My first thought was the question "Is God the Mafia?" I thought the quote sounded like bad theology at first, since I knew my former friend to have a limited understanding of the Bible. But as I sat down and actually pondered the question, I realised God really is the Mafia, if not worse, and my former friend was onto something.
I lament that our disputes beforehand had driven us apart, for I wish to thank her for giving me new understanding.
One of the many reasons why I became an atheist is because I could no longer tolerate the BS when it comes down to religion. Also having served in the military and having served overseas I got a different perspective on how the world is. Therefore I am very happy that I got off the religious plantation and I have absolutely no regrets.
Same. Some of my buddies were pastors kids, so we had some long nights conversing.
@grapeshot, Don't you just love it when a Christian that never served tells "You that you believe in God because there are no atheists in foxholes." ?
@@samuelschick8813 yep and I tell them that's a lie.
@@samuelschick8813 Its the same principle as torture. When under extreme duress people will say and do anything to "save" them, literally or metaphorically, or to make the pain stop. How this doesnt occur to the hyper religious I have no idea, but here we are.
I used to be closed minded and the typical American until I moved to Japan for a few months, which followed by me wanting to visit the entire world after that. Traveling will make you check your religious views. Everything I was indoctrinated into believing as an American teen in private Christian school was just pure religious propaganda that I am still trying to unplug myself from.
I’m glad I left Christianity 6 months ago at the age of 24. I got tired of all the “end times” that never came and hateful bull shit they kept spreading.
Same, it was end times, repent they said, same bullcrap being preached 2000 YEARS AGO STILL SAYING NOW ANNOYING SHITES sorry hehe
It's quite creepy that they constantly want the world to end and are advocating eternal torment for those who dont exactly think the same way as they do
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Fun fact : According to the bible the only ones that specifically are suffering forever in the lake of fire are the beast, the false prophet and the devil. For the rest the lake of fire is the second death, meaning they die again but for all eternity.
But the "end times" are happening forest fires, wars, heat wave, melting north pole or something
@@youtubestudiosucks978They're a death cult, they want the world to end more than anything because it would prove them right.
This is a refreshing examination of a core - but terrifying - Christian belief. Realizing that there was no benevolent God always with me was the beginning of my deconversion. But the "god" totting up the times I lied or lusted in my heart, while simultaneously watching children being horrifically abused and doing nothing, is a monster - if such a god existed.
I agrue with my sister about that same topic and she always says that is his plan but I always say if you seen that happening wouldn't you try to stop it especially if you are the creator
@@jamespattillo2766exactly. If you're an omnipotent being, capable of making anything happen, then whatever plan you have can be accomplished without children being abused or dying slow deaths from cancer. All he should need to do is snap his fingers and {poof} his plan is accomplished. Since he doesn't do that is sounds like children suffering and dying _IS_ his plan, like he gets some perverse satisfaction out of it.
Or, the more logical thinking, there is no perfect eternal plan because there is no omnipotent being.
my friend just says "its the humans not God" idk how to tell her complicit negligence is just as bad.
@@stygiantwst Just show her the law on negligent homicide. Even us idiot humans have rationalized that if you just stand around and do nothing while having the power to do something, you become complicit.
@@jamespattillo2766but but mysterious ways
If he is so mysterious then how do you know he loves you?
The thing that has always bothered me is the saying
‘I am a god fearing Christian’. Even as kid. I always thought why do we fear someone who loves us
I think that expression neatly contains the contradictory BS at the core of Christianity. Jesus is _claimed_ to be the earthly sales rep for a god of love. Yet that deity is supposed to be the same eternal and unchanging Yahweh of the Old Testament, and that book is full of tales of him proving that he's a sadistic, needy, manipulative a-hole.
We fear him because we respect him, and love him because he gives us a chance to be in heaven with him.
@@colepriceguitar1153 "There is no fear in love." 1 John 4:18
I had been told that fear more of a result of our love for god. As in, we love and respect god so much that we bow in fearful deference to him... kinda fucked.
@@mark7166 fear is more in the sense of respect. A child can love their parents but still fear them because of their authority
What sealed my decision to become an atheist was when I went through a very deep and dark depression. I was so broken and extremely suicidal. I remember multiple times crying so hard that I could hardly breathe and literally begging out loud for help from "something". Anything. I was basically begging for "god" to please help save me from myself and to show me that there is more to life than what I was feeling. If there was anyone/anything out there to please just help me. And when absolutely nothing happened I knew without a doubt there is no God. There is just us and we can only depend on ourselves. I have thankfully overcome that part of my life and it was only by the grace of MYSELF and reaching out to professionals that I was able to do so. Thank you for all you do for this community Thomas! It is very much appreciated!
Wow. Congratulations on surviving your trauma. My wife is terribly ill. I cry out every day, and hourly sometimes when I am helping her through the worst of her times. She has severe gastroparesis, so we are fighting to keep her alive. She is down to 104 pounds. It is hard to believe God doesn't render crumbs of mercy to her sometimes. Just heartbreaking. I constantly wonder if I am not doing something right, angering God, failing my wife in some way. I have enjoyed a blessed life, and I honestly believe God has been with me throughout my life. Yet, here I am, feeling abandoned. I haven't given up, but it is clear God sometimes wants us to believe we are on our own. I waffle between believing that, believing I've done something wrong, and sometimes wondering if I'm completely delusional. How did you finally come to a conclusion and find peace? Did you not feel as if God walked with you prior to this traumatic event? Thank you. ❤
@@neomatrix6115I'm sad that you're going through this double trauma.
Please reach out to medical professionals for your wife and mental health professionals for yourself.
@mattsadventureswithart5764 Of course. Done both for 3 years now. Thanks for the kind reply. Still trying to decide if religion is helping or dragging me down... ❤️
i can remember my mother saying i couldn't do anything without god. when i had my first child and was beginning to sour on my religious teachings (only because when i had her i realized i didn't want to teach her about scary things!!) i rebelled. i never took my daughter to church but for years i felt guilty if i didn't have her pray with me before bedtime even knowing i didn't believe it anymore. that's proof that brainwashing is real. it's like munchousing (sp) syndrome. you can't leave your abuser. after being away from that religious influence for a while i realized that if there was a god...he (or) she gave me a brain!! i didn't need to lean on god or wait & be patient...
@@neomatrix6115hey.... I'm going thru something very similar to you...... Physically and emotionally as well. I've been a believer for 20 yrs but seriously questioning everything even though I've had real spiritual experiences ... BUT I wanted to tell you I just watched a story a few weeks ago about a person that had what your wife has and reversed it completely by eating a meat only diet. Just wanted to share in case you're interested in learning more and maybe this could help her too. I would look on UA-cam for things like "carnivore diet for _____." And fill in the blank with her diagnosis and see what you find. Hope this helps. Hope your wife finds health again soon. Hugs to you both 🫂❣️😊
I remember believing as a child that when there were flashes of lighting, it was god taking photos of me🫠. It’s kind of funny now, but back then it was terrifying. My mom actually taught us that not only god was constantly looking at us, but every single person in heaven. So if we sinned, billions of people, including god were upstairs shaking their heads in disgust. So for me as a kid, it made sense that everyone in heaven was taking pictures of me sleeping etc when there was lighting. I’m so glad I’m free from all that nonsense and constantly feeling judged.
I remember this. Super creepy!
Oh, it's so messed up. After my aunt passed away, I remember feeling so ashamed when I masturbated because I thought she could see me from heaven.
Oh my anxiety!!
@@HolyKoolaid OMG, yesss same when my both of my grandparents died. As if you weren’t already dealing with grieving a loved one, you’d had to deal with the guilt of knowing they too were now constantly watching you.
@@undrwatropium3724 Yes very much so! I’m still dealing with religious trauma, but doing a lot better than before. My heart would literally hurt from the constant anxiety I used to feel day in, day out.
👍 Serious topic, presented very nicely. I even had to giggle sometimes.
I have been a Christian for 35 years, and left Religion this year. Only now I see the toxicity of it. Your videos are very helpful, and your humor makes it easier to approach serious topics. Thank you!!
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
welcome to reality my friend . take care over there in Germany from the States .
@SeekingTruth, Have you stopped counting the number of times a Christian told you that " You were never a true Christian."? I have.
@@samuelschick8813same here
Question: Now that you've left, and that you're in Germany, do you now have to report that you are not a believer for the purposes of automatically tithing your salary?
I'm glad you made it out and that my videos helped. Enjoy your new-found freedom. :)
The first time I went to Sunday school I was taught about Adam and Eve.
And the first thing that popped in my head was how the hell did a entire civilization come from only two people .
I mean I was a little kid and I knew it couldn't happen without incest !!!!
its the most funny stuff asking a Christian how 2 people made an entire civilization of people, my grandmother likes to say that "back then god made that not matter" like what? how?
The story of Adam and Eve is a symbolic origin of humanity, not a historical origin. Does that re-answer your question?
This is a Lie of Course...
@@Joshua_Cline Most of the bible is symbolic and not historically accurate. The problem is that a lot of Christians think everything written in the bible is actual objective truth.
Like the story of Lot. He flees the city in which God killed everyone. Then he got his daughters pregnant. Incest. Outrageous
Growing up in a narcissistic "Christian family" led me to attempt suicide by firearm. I luckily survived, and now the thought of going back to church makes me literally sick.
My friend tried to drag me to church and I literally had a sweaty panic attack and my wound channel started burning.
That's the gospel 🙏.
I never had such trauma from religion, but even I am violently repulsed by the idea of going to church. Still, I don’t have PTSD like you seem to have. Good luck with that, and enjoy your life.
As a child, living in family of non-believers raised by non-believers, I never realized how privileged I was. Religion was just something some others had, not to taken very seriously. It could range from Ganesh, Jesus, Moses to Mohamed. But during adolescence, I began to find out that some peers might have serious pain and trouble with the superstitions they were raised with.
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Your video on contradictions in the bible helped start the chain reaction that got me to stop believing in the mormon church.
This channel never fails to help when I start having doubts about my decision.
The longer I have stopped believing, the more creepy all these concepts and delusions feel to me.
Way to go! I got out of the church after watching professor stix videos.
My dad used to be Mormon now he’s christian
There are no contradictions in the Bible
@@YankeeDoodle2 A quick google search will quickly shatter that illusion.
Mr Koolaid
This makes so much sense.
Thank you
Tony from Alaska
Hi! I'm Kerry from Arkansas
This video hits the nail on the head. I was that young man agonizing over his lust and tormenting himself over his inconsequential "sins". Words can't describe the freedom I feel without feeling like there's a divine psychopath watching every move I make
Yep. And f it wasn't bad enough having your sexual thoughts being monitored as a young person, acting on them-even by yourself - was impossible without constantly reminding yourself that their was a really old guy watching you...
I believe that is psychological trauma!
“Divine psychopath” is SENDING me 🤣
Hay! I'm still here:
Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you
Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you
I dream at night, I can only see your face
I look around, but it's you I can't replace
I feel so cold, and I long for your embrace
I keep crying, baby, baby please😢
Thats mostly unique to catholicism and fundamentalist dogma. THere are ALL kinds of christians that don't believe that malarky. I don't remember Jesus ONCE saying 'dont jack off'. What he DID say was that the sin committed was NOT the issue, it was the thought behind it, which is fairly true and wise. For adultery he said "dude, don't even THINK about it, no good will come of it'. I sometimes imagine him following that up with 'there are lots of single fish in the sea'. So thats just PRACTICAL advice, and straight from the zoroastrians.
@mikearchibald744 recovered catholic here. It doesn't need to say"thall shalt not jacketh offith" with the all-knowing, all-seeing, all- powerful god, it's sage to assume that he is watching you.
I had to go to an evangelical church 3x a week growing up. Even as a child I thought it was bizarre but couldn’t express that. Even when god was killing babies the adults would say amen. Freaked me out. I remember thinking that when I grow up I would understand. I grew up and now I understand. But not in the way I expected.
"God's watching me do Number Two? Oh man, I'm a sinner and God's a pervert."
- Chris Griffin
I keep the lights on when I polish the trumpet😅
If god is always watching, that makes him a sadistic exhibitionist who watches children SA'd for years, men & women being SA'd, or even people who are trapped or stranded in the middle of no where... watching them suffer a slow and agonizing death. All while he watches on silence. I guess God has his own personal Red Room like on the dark web.
😂 😂 😂 😂 He literally gives men the permission to marry women they rape in leviticus... So yeah u right
One of the biggest reliefs I've had since becoming an atheist is knowing there's no God, Satan, demons, jinn or ghosts watching me. Im positive that's what caused my anxiety for decades
How could it not be at the root of so many people's anxiety and depression.
Yeah, because how does anyone really know what they worship? If I were the devil I would make myself look good and fool everyone into worshipping me. In fact Jesus might have tried to warn people about the evil christian god and thats why they crucified him. Think about it, they use the very same torture device as a symbol of their faith!
Oh in my country people see ghosts a lot especially experience poltergeists not a lot of people will definitely disbelief for that
@@anghusmorgenholz1060 It was for me, and now I'm pretty much cured.
Hmm
Having been raised by two devout Atheist parents, I’ve had a lifelong morbid fascination with religion and mythology (a very blurry line). Even after having fairly intense and deep conversations with friends, acquaintances and relative strangers, I am impressed by the bravery, honesty and thoughtfulness of people for whom religion was once a deeply held foundation of their epistemology. I understand the caricature of the Angry Atheist. If I felt that people important in my life and thinking had lied to me or deceived me I would be Very Angry indeed.
It must be a great relief to lay down a burden of bullshit. I applaud all of you who have made that difficult & fraught passage.
it's literally impossible to be a "devout atheist." devout means extremely devoted religiously
I was angry because I felt duped. Lied to. Things are better now
I have been an atheist since I was 7 or 8. So my experience is very much like yours. I have a difficult time occasionally relating to people who are new to this lack of belief. I feel so bad for the pain and bullshit they had to endure for so many years. It has always seemed to me to be an act of superhuman courage to after so long say no more. I am in awe of them. I usually don't relate to much of my experience to them. I grow uncomfortable with their (it's not envy) but longing for my experience. If I tell them how my sister and I had to come out to our mother because we kept getting in trouble at church and Sunday school. The priest made us sit in the front pews so he could keep an eye on us. I was 6 she was 8 or 9 and a born radical. When the adults stopped answering my sister's questions she would feed them to me. That went on for a month or two. We told our mom the truth. And she asked us why, were we positive, had we thought about it and when did this start and why it did. An army chaplain used his go-to response about why our dad had to die. God needed him so he called him to serve in heaven. I still don't blame or hate him for that. I'm sure he had used it in the past and it worked out fine. I do not envy him his job. But at that moment I became an enemy of that god and hated him more than I have ever hated before or since. That gave me a different perspective. Things seemed to be a bit odd. Two years go by and I could not understand how the adults let alone anyone could believe this crap. Well it turned out that good ol mom lost her faith way before my birth. And the only reason we had any enjoyment was the doughnuts at the end of service. So we bought our own doughnuts and enjoyed our Sunday mornings. And growing up that way was kind of exciting and a little edgy. It was like we were spys or fifth columnists. We shared a secret that made us different/better. Sorry I rambled at you. As I said I rarely ever have the chance to relate my experience with someone who understands it. Have a wonderful night.
“It must be a great relief to lay down the burden of bullshit”
So beautifully stated. That’s exactly it. It IS a huge relief. When Biden won I will never forget my mom saying “well I sure hope Jesus comes back soon”. I’ve never forgotten what an ugly sentiment that is. She wants all the people she disagrees with to go to hell?! My goodness. For all the preaching they do about love… it seems like it’s a rare trait to find (around here anyway- in a small southern town).
@@Mrs.Magix58 Facetious:
1590s, from French facétieux (16c.), from facétie "a joke" (15c.), from Latin facetiae "jests, witticisms" (singular facetia), from facetus "witty, elegant, fine, courteous," which is of unknown origin, perhaps related to facis "torch."
Formerly often in a good sense, "witty, amusing," but later implying a desire to be amusing that is often intrusive or ill-timed. Related: Facetiously; facetiousness. "Facetiæ in booksellers' catalogues, is, like curious, a euphemism for erotica." [Fowler]
Probably primarily the second sense.
Have a good weekend.
This video was absolutely fantastic! I appreciate you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My home town has a much MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller statue of Mary on a hill. Now, you can't see it from anywhere in town, but when at school, we always could. I always found it arrogant that one faction of believer got to display their private icon upon all of us who didn't care for it.
It's also similar to the 'new' Elf on a Shelf phenomenon, that having your children to be continually observed and judged is somehow a good thing. Never been religious, but I feel very strongly about that poor people who feel the gaze of judgement on them no matter what they do. That really must suck.
You from Paraparam?
@@stephenlitten1789 Hah, well guessed. Suppose she's more famous than I thought
@@RickReasonnz Nah. I grew up in Lower Hutt, and the statue of the Blessed Saturn V was an easy way to distinguish 'Pram and know it was only the Paekak' hill to go
This is good.
I entered Christian college (almost on a lark) after being brought up in a very secular household (by parents who were raised evangelical..so I found out AFTER their deaths by the postmortem reading of my mom's diaries). Being brought up secular inoculated me against the TOXIC nature of God's "love". I did try to become Christian but only because I was desperately in love with my (bachelor/virgin) French proff. I started exploring apologetics long after finally accepting that I am atheist. Now watching this, I think about my French proff; (intelligent guy who was working on his doctorate in French at the time of our friendship) buying in to these toxic ideas which are contrary to his warm, friendly & generous nature. I'm now 61 which makes him 73. Listening to this, I just keep thinking that the cost of toxic Christianity to one's useful intelligence is tragic.😭
He almost turned you into a Magical Thinker! 😭
What a great comment. In my 20's I ended a relationship with someone I was in love with, because I so firmly believed in "not being unequally yoked."
Now in my 50's I still wonder about what might have been. This is what I think of when people say, "What harm does it cause?"
@@roadrunner9622 yeah I was familiar with the term. My French proff regretted letting me go. He tried to get back together but by then I knew I was atheist and I told him I couldn't be unequally yoked.
I love the name of your channel "Holy Koolaid". It says so much. You really speak to me. I was raised conservative Christian by a religious mom and an atheist scientist dad. Their marriage worked: he respected and loved my mom, and thought we should learn about religion, and then make up our own minds as adults. We would troop off to Sunday School and church, while Dad got into his grubby clothes to work on the yard, and he'd wave bye-bye. I was a Christian for over 50 years, and gradually lost my faith. I was dismayed at how people used religion as a money-making con or a cudgel to control people. But I loved my church friends, the singing, the community, the holidays. I can still get that in other ways, but most of my family remains Christian and crazy Christian at that. It is lonely, and I feel, at times, isolated and estranged. But I love the reality, the embracing of science, and the kindness of accepting all people, not just the ones who are in one religion. I feel close to my long-gone atheist and rational Dad. Thanks for discussing the struggle, the process, and the difficult aspects of accepting reality. You are doing a good thing.
The church has to make sure God is watching EVERYTHING and is EVERYWHERE because they themselves can't be with a person 24/7 to control.
When I was in Rio de Janeiro in May, the story I was told about the Jesus statue was that back in the day, a lot of Brazilians were concerned that Rio was losing the faith. If you have been to any samba parties, concerts, or even just one of the more famous beaches like Copacabana or Ipanema, you'll see where this concern came from. Your feelings that the statue was watching you everywhere was exactly what it was designed to do. But we can also get a good laugh out of it because it was a massive failure. In the decades since it was finished, the samba parties have only gotten wilder, the beaches less modest, and carnival is further from its Catholic origins than ever. And, of course, booze is everywhere. Yeah, I had a really good time in Rio.
I actually went up to the Jesus statue, but I really didn't give a rat's tail about the statue itself. I was way more interested in the geology of the mountain it's on. That is the other great thing about Rio de Janeiro. It's a geological wonder. Rio de Janeiro was one of the last parts of South America to break away from Africa when the south Atlantic Ocean opened up at the end of the Cretaceous. Sugarloaf mountain is actually the long frozen magma chamber of a long extinct volcano that formed over the rift zone that is still active under the middle of the Atlantic Ocean today. The fact that it was so hard for the mid-Atlantic rift zone to break Rio away from Africa formed many mountains and several volcanoes in the area. Once the continents finally separated about 65 million years ago, erosion sculpted the land into what we see today. Rio is one of the few places where you don't have to be a geologist to find evidence of the higher sea level in the Miocene. 6 million years ago, there was no ice in Greenland, and only about half as much ice in Antarctica as there is today. Sea level was 20 meters higher in the miocene. This created a whole different set of beaches, bays, swamps, and islands hundreds of meters to several kilometers inland from the current shoreline. You can actually see erosion marks from crashing miocene waves in multiple places around Rio de Janeiro. The best-known example is the two rock outcrops on the opposite ends of Copacabana Beach. They were small islands during the miocene. From the top of the sugarloaf mountain, you can see how ancient tides and storm surges eroded away the rock 6 million years ago. Fossils of shark teeth have been found several kilometers inland on beaches that haven't seen a wave in 6 million years. I could go on all day about the geology of Rio de Janeiro, but I'll leave it with this. Maybe while you are in Rio de Janeiro, you should make a mini series called something like how Rio de Janeiro disproves Genesis.
When I clicked on a holy koolaid video, I didn't expect a geology lesson, but here I am with new knowledge. Thank you, stranger.
Now, of course, I really want to visit Rio, not giving you so many thanks for that 😝😜😛
@@mattsadventureswithart5764 it's definitely a great place to go. Which part made you want to go, the geology or the samba parties? 🤣
Funny thing is Ezekiel 18:20 says that the children don't pay for the sins of the parents and parents don't pay for the children's sins. They even explain it in the commentaries how unfair it would be. So why do billions pay for eating from the Tree of Knowledge? Even christian logic on Ezekiel shows that to be idiocy.
Of course in other parts of the Bible, God threatens curses for generations.
@@riffhammeron
But only on the bad people!😅
Not to mention the naked Noah story in which the 'sinner' is not punished but his subsequent generations are.
@@exoplanet11
You can show this to fundies and it usually won't even phase that religious dome of ignorance around their skull.
Because Deuteronomy 5:9 says, "I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the punishment of the fathers on the children, even on the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me." The Bible is full of contradictions and can mean whatever you want it to.
It's so nice to not have to apologize multiple times every single day anymore, for just being human. My resting heart rate is lower.
Anyone who would allow their own child to be tortured to death for the mistakes THEIR CREATION made…. That’s not just narcissistic. That’s psychopathy.
Amen
I was thinking that God is the type of father that would leave power tools around, then let his kids get hurt by playing with said power tool, beat the crap out of the kids, then, pat himself on the back for being a good father. Just don't ask why he just leaves the power tools where kids can get it or you'll be called a stupid ass.
@@artistradio Exacltty. The Christian God is a coward.
Agreed, religion is child abuse.
@@henreeeef3214That's rather irrelevant.
Maybe someone here can answer my question...
If heaven is perfect and without sin why did the angels choose to rebel?
That, is an excellent question.
Nobody said heaven was perfect its just said eternal paradise there could in paradise we know nothing about
And why was Lucifer so full of pride and arrogance that he thought he could topple God from his throne?
The more I thought about this portion of Judeo-Christian mythology, the less sense it made to me - angels supposedly lack “free will” (something that’s supposed to be exclusive to humanity), but somehow a number of them managed to rebel against their omnipotent creator and establish their own kingdom? The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the more double-think you must employ to get the idea to resemble anything rational…
@@robertmoore2049- In the bible, god says he created good and evil. That he would set evil loose on naive humans, who were expressly denied knowledge of good and evil, is evil in itself. I don’t believe any of that story. And Christians have tortured it into a requirement for “salvation.” The Jews for whom it was written certainly don’t get that from it, nor do the vast majority take it literally.
It's actually funny when you think how most (if not all) Christians smugly said how anyone could be a Cthulhu cultists, not realizing that they are exactly the same as those fictional humans.
Black, white, male, female, they all taste the same. Get on the grill 😋
I mean, once you read the Cthulhu mythos, you realize how similiar Yahweh is to the eldritch abominations. I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually the case
@@DemiRurge Exactly. One of my first sentiment when I thought carefully about the whole concept of Cthulhu mythos was: "Wait, what's the major difference between this and Christianity/Islam?"
@@theodorevibritannia7988 I guess Yahweh is supposed to be benevolent, but I can't really see it
But Cthulhu isn’t judging you for every little thought in your mind - in fact, Cthulhu doesn’t give a shit what you do so long as you’re sacrificing enough virgins to him! The Judeo-Christian “god” concept, on the other hand, is a complete control freak that wants you to conform every thought and action to its own ideas of “right” and “wrong” at all times!
I’ll take Cthulhu over “god” any day of the week…
My favorite bible quote about god's presence is, "It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
From “The Book of Terminator” - chapter 66:6. Amen.
sounds like blurb on the back of the worst porno ever
So when I was 13, a girl invaded my autonomy and then also forceful her way past me to introduce herself to my mom. All this happened within an hour of meeting her. My mom's response was to say I must have done something to give her the wrong idea, then my mother served my diner in a dog bowl. Because apparently I was acting like a dog, by getting that girl's attention. My mother was a devout christian. The girl later said she wanted to be my girlfriend. She seemed nice because I couldn't recognize that she was violating my boundaries. The courtship was nice and innocent, but very short because she moved away. But a whole year later she returned and when she caught me moving on with my life she got really abusive. But a toxic Christian mother taught me that I don't deserve to have boundaries. And I was made to feel guilty for moving on with my life, in the end the girl would not forgive me and never let me have closure. I carried that guilt and shame around with me for like 35 years. I prayed all the time to the christian God to forgive me and to heal my feelings of shame. And only recently I started working on my healing journey.
I still can’t believe no one else is reading my thoughts… just last year I finally called myself an athiest
Yup, the whole ' Jesus is watching ' thing always really creeped me out, too.😉
Pathetic
Fr, like, is he just watching me shit
@@RealSunPhesto pathetic
I never believed it. Totally illogical nonsense from illiterate antiquity.
Another great video. Former evangelical. Deconstructed years back. Best thing that ever happened to me. I'm just a follower of Jesus now, wouldn't go near church if you paid me, and am quite ok with being totally wrong. Judgement of others has flown out the window, and I'm seeing the love in so many other people of whatever faith or no faith at all. Life is complex, but I've learnt hope in love in the most important thing. Self love is also so important. That's something me and many of those who used to go to church have to actually learn. When you're having the doctrine of hell rammed down your throat it's kinda hard to feel good about yourself, let alone love yourself. Peace and love to you all folks ❤
I've existed as an atheist from around 13 years old. My parents raised us, 6 of us as Methodist, an extremely relaxed welcoming religion out of many that are not. I chose to stop going to church with my family at 13 years old. My parents allowed all of us to choose for ourselves at 13. I being an extremely curious open minded young boy could not see the logic in religion, to me it appeared completely man made for all the wrong reasons.
Every time I have ever heard someone say "if you have nothing to hide, you should have nothing to fear", even from the very first time I heard it, my immediate thought was "it's not that I am ashamed of who I am, it is that *YOU* are ashamed of who I am, and you make it *MY* problem somehow!"
proud of everyone in the comments who have left religion behind them. you're all inspiring!
i read recently that gen z and younger are heavily turning against organized religion. a couple of reasons was because (one) it was so time consuming, restrictive and too monetary...and (two) they have too much power & influence in government over peoples lives...but mostly... aren't in line with a progressive future and climate change laws...i am inspired by the younger set!!
It is wonderful that you left religion, but now it is time to find Jesus spiritually. Jesus was also against religion. :)
@alitafullarmor5957
Humanity used the will of God thousands of times for its benefit. Yet Christ came and tried to restore a bit from what the wicked made with it.
But once more, this fallen land used it.
Look for some reason i got a liking into you so. Just dont spit in God's face when he tries to save you.
And please remember that you are ignorant all of you are. So please think and think once more if what you had done was worth for you or for everyone.
Seek truth.
God bless you
@@alitafullarmor5957absolute fax brother the historical Jesus never taught that "if you don't worship me you will go to h***" no historians mentioned it. Yes he had followers yes he was killed but he was a really nice person and never taught that shit it was written by men to bring people to their religion
@@donnadayle3762 yep! I'm an atheist from generation alpha (11)
I am SO glad I became an atheist! When I was a Christian I was constantly tormenting myself whenever I had a lusty or bad thought because I KNEW God was listening and would be angry at me for it. So I was constantly apologizing to God for screwing up and not being "perfect". I thought that I was a lousy Christian for having less than pure thoughts. (I honestly believed that other Christians were leading these perfect lives and never "sinned".) As I got older and wiser I realized what BS that was and now that I am an atheist I realize it is OK to be human and the sense of freedom is remarkable! So thank you for all you do!
Actually, Google stats show thst these highly religious states download more porn than any other, with Utah the land of Mormons heading the list. They hate gays, but love gay porn.
I feel you. Sometimes I wish I was raised in a more moderate religious home or an atheistic home. But imagine the “sin” guilt, but with lesbian lusty thoughts and nb gender dysphoria. All I can say is that it isn’t fun.
Everyone is born an Atheist. The crime is using every mind control technique in the book to break them by getting them to believe things that are demonstrably and observably false. THEN you can tell them to give you 1/10 of their pre-tax earnings and no one bats an eye...
True freedom is living like Christ did. A life without sin is true freedom. Sin is restricting us all from experience true freedom.
Thank you for posting the video.
Even the terrifying eye of Sauron wasn't this all seeing. Absolute horror.
What you discuss here is EXACTLY what I was was taught in Catholic school religion class in the 5th grade at age 10 - that God has a book with my name on it; that 'He' monitors and makes note of my every thought, word and deed; and that after I die I will have to stand before the Almighty Judge who will go through the book with me and decide my eternal fate.
I'm 68, stopped believing in a god and any related nonsense nearly half a century ago. But still, despite having successfully worked through lots of 'issues' with the help of therapy, I CONTINUE to be plagued by this pervasive FEELING that I'm being watched and judged every second of the day! I know it's just my brain, not a mind-permeating supernatural overlord, but I can't get rid of the feeling! It may just be that that particular piece of indoctrination, which distressed me for years, cut a permanent groove into a slice of my brain and can't be undone.
I’m so sorry you still suffer from that. I quit church at 12, I am so glad. That would have happened to me, if I had stayed in that cult. (Catholic)
I think you should flaunt it. Walk around naked, do whatever you want, and be like, “ What are you looking at god? You perv “, 😅
Laughter may heal you. Best wishes.
Losing my faith was a little traumatizing at first, like when it starts to dawn on you that Santa Claus is really mom and dad.
But being liberated from self judgment and the need to appease an imaginary sky daddy was and remains priceless.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the super chat! Sorry for the slow reply, but I wanted to say that I really appreciate your support.
Great video, I want to hear your perspective on the rapture fanatics.
A devout Catholic in my neighborhood used to say something like she wish everybody have a religion so we'd stop fighting wars & killing each other. This is precisely the point. When every religious group feel their religion teaches the truth and other groups are wrong we have wars. It's like the John Lennon song "Imagine". A world without religion is a world where everybody would live in peace and as one. We can be spiritual without affiliating with a specific religion or religious group.
According to the encyclopedia of wars of the 1763 wars only 7 percent were religious and of that seven percent 2/3 of it the culprit is Islam. More wars and killings have been political and ecomical than religious 🙄 Such as the Cambodian Genocide Vietnam war Korean War Ww2 Ww1. Starvation mass killings of Soviet Russia and China. Athiesism has killed far more people in the past century.
Yeah that doesn’t work too well either. John Lennon got shot, and religion free nations murdered millions of their own citizens.
The correct thing to remove is dogma. Regardless of if it’s religious, political, etc.
Wars are often fought for economical reasons because of limited resources so war would exist regardless.
"Spirituality" is a slippery slope. It's more honest to acknowledge there might be a creator no one has the vaguest clue about and instead, strive to live in harmony that does not harm or contradict the natural order (physics/ math + biology + other humans + genetic coding + ecosystems...).
the issue would be the amount of monsters who apparently get all their morals from religion
The abusive marriage to my ex was a catalyst to leaving my faith. And I did feel “groomed” by my belief system, as you so eloquently stated.
But one thing, in 1984 they DID police thought crime. The protagonist was questioned and tortured into confessing he killed his wife (he didn’t, he only thought about it). Granted, it was 15 years ago when I read Orwell, so the details are hazy.
Another critical crime committed was the sexual relationship he had with…I think her name was Julie?
So, there is a bit of patrolling by Big Brother somewhat on par with the Christian god is said to do.
Hello Thomas,
I've been following you and channel for years. This video speaks to me the most. While you generally produce excellent content, I really want to thank you for making this video. Thanks Thomas!
Growing up I didn't understand how you could have free will if god knows all outcomes before they happen. It just didn't make sense to me. It was probably the first thing that started me moving towards the atheist position, even if it took 20 more years to get there.
Nice to hear you Thomas. Hope to see you sooner than later
Exactly howvi used to feel as a Christian and yeah my life is fucked up by it. Glad i broke the shackles and left all that bullshit behind.
We leave the belief behind. Now we get to process the religious trauma and toxic shame with years of therapy. But the first step to healing is separation from the source of the injury.
@@HolyKoolaid @jamesmoore6424 I entered my teens right after "accepting" christ, because it was what I was supposed to do. (My belief was always shaky, and a deep, internal shame I long bore.) Heaping emotional and mental abuse on top of teen angst messed me up badly. I survived my teens through suicide ideation, and continued the habit for almost two decades. One night, I literally shredded my ego in the most vicious and vile ways possible (I don't recommend it). When I ran out, I was left with one thought, "None of that is true." Skepticism (evidence-based critical thinking), saved my life, otherwise, I might have gone through with suicide (I had researched how to kill myself). The shedding of that emotional baggage was the most freeing experience in my life.
I became an athiest when I asked why we cant cut out the middleman. By that I mean "why cant the universe just exist and not need a creator...if god is needed what created god? Oh.... always existed? So why cant Universe just always exist?"
I was 7 at the time
This might be tmi but i remember when i was an early adolescent and discovering the touch of my own hand, before starting i would pray: "Dear God, please forgive me for what i am about to do, please help me not to do it in the future. And please dont let anyone watch me from Heaven. Amen."
The same. Everytime. How traumatic all of that BS was. Glad i found my way.
I mean, Christians pray before they eat and thank God for their meal. Why not before an orgasm? 🤷♂️
Oh my anxiety!
So glad you got here. So many others need what you're bringing.
Another excellent video. Thanks Thomas. Debunked sounds great!
Interesting point I always bring up when someone mentions naughty kids get coal for Christmas:
Post-ghost Ebenezer Scrooge gave his employees coal and they were happy about it.
Coal used to be the defacto method of keeping warm.
So the good kids get super fun, frivolous gifts.
The naughty kids get something practical that an adult would be grateful for.
It's just the equivalent of getting a winter coat instead of that new Nintendo game you really wanted.
It was the full realization of what omnipresence/omniscience means that drove me literally crazy (in a medical sense) and I'm STILL struggling with it's after effects
Wishing you well with all my heart!
Yes, it is creepy how conditioned I used to be and others still are. It's one thing to lose faith and another to truly grasp the nature of Yahweh.
I love what you did there with Debunked. That was fun to watch on its own!
Great! Continue, please!
Dude I wholeheartedly feel this one. Well played sir. Love your content.
Logical as always!
I played Debunked. 😂
It’s just mind blowing how your perspective changes when you give yourself the freedom to question and dig in the historical facts of this belief. This is the hard part for the believers since they are teach to not question “gods word” and accept authority with out no doubt. I know because for 58 years I didn’t question or doubt my belief. I’m 62 and can’t believe that I believed in this absurdity.
One of the funniest but saddest things I've noticed about Christians is how _sure_ they are that _they'll_ get to heaven and escape hell fire. The book of Revelation literally says there will be a great apostasy and the "elect" will be decieved. Imagine worshiping a god who sets up every hurdle possible, and being prideful about it. The irony...
I always wondered how is it fair for Jesus to physically appear over a millennia ago, yet he won’t go out of his way to physically expose himself onto us and fill us with his benevolence?
Favorite religion videos on UA-cam. You did me wonders years back finally completely moving on, ofc I hadn’t believed for a long time but didn’t want to break the routines if that makes sense. Thank you.
Love your videos. Keep up the great work 😊
"Tissue?" Lmao. But yeah. He's all "I'm watching over everything you do. You can not escape me. I'm there when you're praying, fornicating or pooping. I can even read your thoughts. That's how powerful I am. Huh? Oh, no. I'm not going to ever do anything. Save innocent people from cancer? Ha ha. Oh, you're a funny one. No, I'm not doing any of that. I'm all around you and all through you. I watch everything you do, think or say but I will never act in any way that's detectable, measurable, confirmable or disconfirmable. You're welcome."
It's interesting how our feeling of being observed, or even stalked, which was very real when we were evolving on the open savannahs of Africa, has been carried over to the imaginary world of the supernatural. We just can't seem to shake that feeling, so we made up a character to embody it.
Yep. It was a survival mechanism, and still is in some situations, but it has definitely screwed us over with regards to us developing religions.
@@leyrua Imagination mixed with paranoia...what could possibly go wrong?😱
OMG I never thought of it like that. Who do we need saving from?????!!!! That will be my first response to the question, “Have you been saved?” Great video as always ❤
This is the first video of yours I have watched - very well done! Powerful and moving, this can apply to many religions.
"you don't have to give up your social life"
aww, that's sweet, you think I have a social life
The idea about your sins being forgiven and your slate being wiped clean is that come judgement day, instead of you being judged, Jesus is judged in your place.
But the idea of eternal punishment is really hard to accept for temporary transgressions, regardless of how severe. That I totally agree with you.
Yep, God watches babies in Africa suffer and die from malaria. He's so full of love!
Death abides upon everyone. Eveybody will eventually die the soul that sins shall die Ezekiel 18:20 God is the giver of life and he has the right to take it away. This fallen world is only temporary but God promises to see us through it all and return to our eternal home safely.
@@alexmoreno1172will those babies go to heaven?
@robertmoore2049 yes they will for they are innocent and do not deliberately sin.
@@alexmoreno1172but aren't they born with original sin
It’s so cool to see Stevens game, Debunked, being advertised here! I purchased it even before it was released and it really is a fun game to play. You learn a lot about fallacious arguments but you have a lot of fun doing it. It’s made it so much easier for me to recognize fallacies when debating Christian’s. And Hitch’s wife gave him permission to use his likeness for the game. This was a great video!!
I always look forward to your videos. You echo the same thoughts I went through when I abandoned religion over a decade ago. The thing is it was frightening and I wish I had you to normalize it back then. The shift is so difficult because the ideas are hammered into you a minimum of every Sunday over and over. I watched documentaries about James Randi and that greased the wheels to get me out of the trap. I appreciate you providing another skeptic voice to religion to help those find a new way of thinking....if they want it.
God isn't just toxic. He is a saddistic, psychopathic narcissist. How much worse could any devil be?"
Biting the hand that feeds you isn't going to help. Hes lavished you with everying you love. God is the source of blessings. The lord gives and the lord takes away blessed be the name of the lord Job1:21
@@alexmoreno1172 God doesn't exist
@aetherkid, if God was a (Game of decisions), would he then exist?
@@alexmoreno1172ok cultist
@maxkrystal7403 the same to you love 😘
Hi from Rio, being watched by the Jesus! It took me years to get over that feeling.
Pathetic
God is omnipresent, but they teach evil is the absence of God. God is Omnipresent, but we still need him to reach out and touch us.
God sent his son to forgive all the sins forever.
Except for everyone who doesn’t accept him. Then you go to hell for your already forgiven sins.
All of it is paradox.
This is a genuinely wonderful video. Thank you for putting everything I've struggled to put into words into a concise well thought-out structure. Never stop
I love your animations! The Birds flying in the background are a great touch! Regardless of the religious beliefs of anyone, all of humanity needs to practice empathy.
60 years ago at age 8 I started to realize something was extremely wrong. A God of unending love whips up something like hell. Huh? At least I was wise enough to not bring this up to the Nuns. I probably wouldn't have survived.
I was raised by evangelical Lutherans, but never really accepted the mythology taught to me. I actually fervently wanted to believe, but I just couldn’t reconcile the idea of a magical, Omni overlord with the reality in front of my face. When I questioned the leaders of the community, their responses left me wanting. Asking simple questions garnered animosity and frustration from the people I was conditioned to believe were highly educated about the theology.
It wasn’t until my early twenties that I realized the deity of my childhood community was a moral monster and my desire for it to be demonstrably real vanished.
I remember, as a child, one during a violent thunder storm, whenI tried to speak my grandmother shouted "Be quiet, God is speaking". My reply was, " Why does he speak to us in such a terrible voice, and we can't understand him!". This was followed by a tirade from her. From then I saw that much of what I was being told was nonsensical, and fear based. This is one of the reasons that, while I grew up as a Christian, I never was a fundamentalist.
I had such bad mental health as a kid due to the beliefs that I thought god was speaking to me in my head. Repeatedly scolding me, etc. I had horrific episodes (That I learnt later in life was undiagnosed PTSD) where I screamed repeatedly that god was trying to kill me. To this day I still occasionally have delusions that someone is reading my mind. Your speech at the end really grounded me as I often neglect my achievements due to said abuse. You’re a kind person, seriously. Thank you.
I had accepted I'd spend eternity in hell because of mental illness, so no having enough faith no matter how many days a week at church, no matter how many hours of Bible study, no matter how much of me praying or others laying hands on me and praying. Mental illness stayed. Going to he'll because not enough belief. But would still have hope for others while feeling like dying inside because I wasn't good enough. An abusive god created abusive churches that are run by abusive pastors who are encouraging abusive church members. I finally feel a sense of relief and peace that I couldn't have believing this horrible god was going to punish me.
As a lifelong agnostic (with strong atheistic leanings), I find this video to be so refreshing. You have given me hope that not all the inmates running our American asylum are actually crazy and may even find a path to reason.
Agnostic here but I inch ever so slightly on there being a creator. My intention is to kill that rotten piece of shit for starting the universe
Everytime I see that big, ugly statue, I hear Jesus (a carpenter) saying, 'So, you want the bookcases about yea big? 'Okay, 10 sheckles, but it'll be two weeks.'
I grew up in a Baptist family and my family never gave a damn about the Religion, Blessed Be.
Thank you for this video. I was just talking to a couple of my friends regarding taking responsibility. That means for the bad behaviors and the good things that you do. Including, pulling yourself up when you are really down. That is something that you did yourself without any divine help. And be happy about that. It's nice to hear someone else actually say it too.
Recently discovered your channel and subscribed. Your intro reminds me of how I thought Awana Clubs (basically a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian version of Scouts) was great when I was a kid, but then, when my kids went with friends from school to Awana Clubs, and the next day, after reading the handbooks they brought home and realizing most of it was psychologically abusive gaslighting, I was relieved when they said they weren't interested in going again. (edit after watching the rest) Exactly! Well said! This describes so much of what I grew up with, what my parents believed their whole lives, what my siblings still believe, and what they expect me to believe and why they low-key shun me because I don't.
I've been saying this for years, that being in christian fundamentalism is exactly the same as being in a relationship with a raging narcissist and it perfectly grooms you to be open to abusive relationships. As an ex-mormon it's taken me years to get over the BS.
Great video as always.
My journey to skepticism led me to atheism and later humanism. Skepticism gave me the tools to think critically and examine my worldviews and shift their framework to better align with nature, science, and morality (just like in a detective story where they follow the evidence and update their theories to catch the real killer instead of just convicting the butler, b/c the butler always does it as evidenced by the high conviction rate of butlers).
These are not skill that we are born with, we have to develop them, just like we have to learn programming languages to program a computer to perform better. With these tools, I was able to look critically at my religious (semi-)beliefs (I wasn't the strongest or blindest faithful christian), and scrap them and shed the religious mental and emotional baggage. (I look at everything, not just religion, and update as needed.)
It still took me years to undo all the damage those beliefs inflicted on me. I'm still not done. Skepticism, atheism and humanism are all things that helped me become a better person. I am happier and healthier than ever and able to mature and grow as a person instead of always dwelling on every natural impulse as a failure, every missed achievement, disaster, or trauma as punishment for failure, and every accomplishment as god's doing.
I don't have to be perfect (as if there is such a thing), I just have to work to be a better version or me.
I can choose my own purposes and alter them as necessary, instead of letting others define them for me.
I own my morality, internalize it, and accept responsibility for the consequences of my actions, instead of washing it all away with "forgiveness." (That should really be called forgivemess - Believing that being forgiven means you can mess up again because you are "flawed" and "imperfect" and you are going to make "mistakes" again anyway.)
This video perfectly explains why I grew out of my religion. Finally someone worded my feelings. Other aetheists experience religious traumas, but i dont. I just slowly realized and questioned everything I know and used to understand and ended up having this same thoughts as the video discussed. Finally, i can send this video to those people questioning me why from being really religious, i became an atheist.
Great message sir!
When I went no contact 5 years ago and learned about narcissistic abuse, my view on Christianity COMPLETELY changed.
I was born and raises in Lisbon and we have a Christ statue staring at the city as well. It is smaller so you don’t see it everywhere but as a child it freaked me out.
I was a strange kid who hated Jesus so this terrified me. I was convinced the statue could mind-control everyone with rays.
The mind control part made me giggle. It's truly amazing to me the things we convince ourselves of as kids.
@@VictoriaMarch13 Oh, that was only the tip of the iceberg…Catholic school traumatized me deeply, leading me and some friends to come up with an elaborate alternate mythology/religion in which we were powerful as opposed to entirely defenseless kids in a very bad situation.
We borrowed from disparate popular culture references that appealed to us- from Sailor Moon, to the Chronicles of Narnia, the X Files and Twin Peaks- to explain why the world was so twisted…yet no on else seemed to notice.
In this strange mindset, the nuns running the school were evil agents working for evil Jesus; they commanded a zombie army under the Earth that would rise up when the world ended- which would happen when the book of Revelation’s predictions took place- and only we special kiss chosen by good, and imbued with special powers, could fight them and avoid this worst case scenario.
In order to so this, we had to relay on prophetic dreams and knowing how to interpret popular culture, where there were clues left just for us.
For example, the mind control statue thing actually came from an uncle of mine who believed the CIA used such technology via an antenna of sorts.
From this, I took the mind control and the antenna as there was one attached to the statue, dropped the CIA angle as it didn’t interest me, and added the statue as it had always freaked me out as did as things Jesus.