24X48 Tile Floor Installation (TUTORIAL)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Large Format porcelain tiles are becoming popular because of their style and less grout. These 24x48 tiles create a modern, durable, and easy to clean floor surface. Many considerations need to be made when installing 24x48 tiles or other large format tiles. It is necessary to do floor prep before hand which may include; grinding high spots; filling low spots with a patching compound or self leveling underlayment (SLU); and/or crack isolation membrane. It is imperative to start with a flat surface within TCNA recommendations of no deviance greater than 1/4" in a 10' span. The proper thinset should be selected, preferably one that is rated for Large Format Tile (LFT) or Large Heavy Tile (LHT). We prefer Custom Building Products Prolite or Laticrete LHT.
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I use glazing suction cups. Don’t use the cheap box store suction cups or you will go through a lot of breakage
Hi TILECOACH
Do you have a video cutting these tiles? If so, please tell me where it is & what tools you used
Thank you 😊
Hey buddy how much should I charge for installing larger format tiles such as 23x47 or 24x36 or 60x60 ty in advance
When you use clips a good way to organize them is go to home depot and in the cleaning aisle they sell a red bucket that is divided in 2 sides. So you can put clips and wedges in the same bucket while keeping them separated.
I love those buckets! We bought a few for our cleaning business.
Or use construction screw containers. But i guys having one box could be cool, but i need a full box of wedges alone, so that would have to be a big container youre talking about
I built a little roll around cart for mine.
Love those buckets. Have 2 of em
i just use a pc of cardboard to separate my bucket
We just finish installing 3 levels of 24x48 tile in a condo house with hardibacker and I’m fucken tired afff! 12hr shift just to get this house done in yorbalinda 💪
Good job bro, hard work pays off!
That's a squeaky clean tiler right there.
My trousers stand up on their own!😂
You are so humble. Can really tell this is your passion. Great work!
I woulda loved having this guy as my journeyman. The guys I work with are so easily fired up. Feel like one of these days they are gonna have a grabber
I’ve been following you for a while now. I’ve been a tile setter for 32 years. 15 years in the union and the rest in my own company. All commercial work. I love your passion for the trade. Your a true artist. In my opinion our trade is the most rewarding at the end of The project.
i'm not so sure about backbuttering the comb at a right angle to the comb on the floor, as it could trap the air. it would make sense to come both the tile and the floor in the same direction, preferably along a short direction, so the air can escape most easily out of the furrows.
I was thinking the same thing... sure during making a video, simple things get missed while instructing...
Please post one of the complete job. Thank you.
Dude you guys need some 8” button release suction cups. Also are you not concerned about creating air pockets by contrasting the notch direction? JW love your videos
Looks like he's using one right at the end. ( 18:44 ) I was wondering the same thing about notch direction.
Me too..
Its harder to work with large tiles .i had to redo a house where large tiles were installed about 2 or 3 years prior ,and pretty much all the tiles were cracked dou to a bad preparation prior to installing
ITS 36000S!!! Great video guys
I find using suction cups really aid in the setting of large tiles. You can just ease them right into place.
Great tip! We usually use them.
@@zlmdragon. not for something that doesn't move....
I’m planning a 1600 sq ft job using 12x24 porcelain on a concrete slab. Other than making sure floors are flat and ideally level, do you not worry about expansion joints or coupling membranes/crack isolation? So much varying info out there. Your work looks really good. Would really like to hear your opinion. I’m in Nevada so very dry conditions.
Getting ready to start my first tile job ever on our master bathroom. I have benefitted from quite a few of your videos (custom shower pan & quick leveler) to get me to this point. Thank you Isaac, Pretty sure I couldn't have done it without your videos.. You are my TileCoach!
How did your bathroom turn out?
hello, appreciate your videos. I am actually a carpenter (old guy, curious, obsessive nature) have watched a lot of videos about showers, but wanted to comment on a recent video so you would read it. lol. what took a long time to realize (and to me, should of been easier) is that there are 2 types of shower drain, pre-slope, pan drainage/surface drain and then surface drain only. the difference in mud/mortar mixes was confusing also. you did call out fat mud and deck mud but it was difficult to know what that meant. deck mud needs to be water permeable. (your pre-slope test is excellent for showing how that is supposed to work. I feel that alot of folks may not be using a mortar bed that would allow water to flow thru as well as yours did. doing a search for the correct mortar is difficult unless one can get the exact type, brand you show. Getting this wrong (not draining quickly enough) would also create problems if wall board runs down into pan. (wicking up wall board) I am sure alot of products that are used for dry packing pans would hold water for hours not the cpl min yours did.
your trade (tile setters) seem to be behind builders in the science of water protection. We spent years going back and forth as to how to seal rain water out of the building only to realize that by making it so tight we created a different problem (water vapor) coming from the inside. there is alot of water vapor created in a bathroom and no mention of how it is being mitigated. There are usually no vapor barriers in interior walls and bathrooms have a difference in temp/humidity from the rest of the house so condensation can happen within the walls, capturing/collecting water when it hits your waterproof systems.
Why even back butter if you’re going to cross the thin set notches?
My thought exactly. Air needs to escape
Great video mate, totally unrelated to tiling, what’s going on with the staircase treads so far off the wall? Lol
Great to see a video Isaac. Thank you agin for our conversation, I’m well on my way to starting my business here in Kentucky.
I found a very cool use for these 2x4 tiles. They make great looking and cheep vanity tops. I put a vessel sink on them and instead of paying $250 for a quartz top, I spend about $36 on a very cool looking single tile.
Yea me too bro check out Schleuter rondec step profile for counter tops you will love that too !
I used a spare 12x24" porcelain tile to make a top for an old oak fish tank cabinet. Looks great and it cost me 2.39$!
@@Lukesh30253 Oh hey, I have used Schleuter edges for tile work in showers and back splashes, but didn't know they had full width edging for counter tops. Thanks for that!
It would be even better to match the direction of the trowel strikes on the back of the tile. It helps to eliminate air pockets.
yup
Normally this is good advice, but I think when you are troweling ridges on the back of the tile in addition to the floor, it is better to go perpendicular. You will get support at every intersection of thinset,(ie. every 1/2 inch) in both directions which will offer better support (especially for LF tile) and coverage.
@@tofuroshi that’s what I was thinking
Good catch, in the process of making the videos I miss some things. I normally run them the same direction, as it helps expel the air out of the sides. But the entire point of directional troweling is to achieve the specified mortar coverage for the particular installation. In this case, 80% coverage with no voids larger than 2"x2" (as specified by the 2020 TCNA manual pg. 35 paragraph 1). We definitely achieved that!
@@TileCoach I totally understand everything you say! Not missing a thing become impossible specialy while filming! 1/2x1/2 for back buttering is so much more than most people use... you are definitely good with it! I really love your videos! You are on point and you are helping a lot of worker with your channel! I really love it! Thanks again!
We have been installing 24 x 48 for years here in Florida. I have also done 48 x 48 , 48 x 129 , 30 x 60. My tile cutters are huge.
Its not the size of the cutter that matters, its how you use it. Hahaha
@@bdenney9443 no greater truth than that!! XD
Mud set in Florida. No self leveller needed.
@@E39M5SPEED Mud set isn't a recognized installation method. Although we do it all the time. Its slower and more time consuming than using a self leveling underlayment.Also coverage is always a concern not to mention raising the floor which can cause a host of issues.
@@1surfercross We did a job in sunny isles in Regalia, the overall surface had a change of 3-4” ! Across the entire floor of the condo. In order to use self leveller we would literally have had to use hundreds more of leveller bags which would be very costly. Why isn’t mud set a recognisable install method ?
Should’ve showed how you got that measurement to get that cut around the wall by the stairs. Other than that great job braddah
I wish I had a boss like you!! Get a lot of inspiration from you!!
If every boss was like Issac, this world probably would not have half the problems it has.
Sweet! Good info brother!!!
Do you ever use any of crack prevention membranes when doing floors ?
to all diy-ers, if your leveling clip breaks, pull the tile and replace it… Just because Isaac can get away without one does not mean we can… 😅 Lesson learned last night when tiling around a soaking tub. I now have a corner sticking out a little. it was not doing so at first, only discovered it a couple hours later when inspecting that row on all three walls. ahem 😞
tiling around this soaking tub is the hardest thing I’ve ever done. i’ve done floors and backsplash, easy peasy. With a soaking tub, there’s no cabinets above to hide imperfections.
These walls are so unplumb and no matter how much I tried to pre-level for the two rows of 12 x 204s, it’s still not perfect. Huge respect to these guys. I would never try to tile a shower… And I’m very meticulous, and a perfectionist. 🙃
You need to buy one of the new electric suction cups for handling those. It will give you a lot more control when you are setting them
How about the compressed air suction cup you pump it up with ur thumb
When the clip breaks just slide one of the other ones along to where that one broke, no need to lift the tile again
@Poker Face maybe you need to learn how to grout properly
i use level head reusable leveling clips for these instances. i keep a few at hand in case a regular clips fails. these clips can be installed after the tile is installed and works great as a recovery.....
Hi - what is the spacing thickness between 2x4 large tiles you are using? I am about to do 2x2 foot tiles on Advantech 1 1/8 thick subfloor with Ditra and was hoping to do a thin chalk line like 1/16 or 1/8
Appreciate you brother, I'm a 30 yr in tile trade always Appreciate other mechanics, when those clips break i use a rescue clip , check them out , thanks for the video .
Found your channel last week and have really enjoyed your “Coaching”. I’m not a Tile Guy, just a lot of general upgrade and repair work. I’ve really enjoyed watching several of your videos, where you explain the reasons for the failure(s)... whether it’s due to material choice, installation method, or simple lack of experience.
Yesterday I watched your diagnosis of the WEDI shower FAILURE, and the Supermarket FLOOR FAILING… very informative. Then I watched your call with Sal, back in April 2019. One of the comments you made to Sal was that, many of your “Failure Videos” seem to get more views than the instructional videos.
The major reason I began watching your videos was because of the honesty, integrity, and skills that you share with your viewers. I can find hundreds of videos on “How To”… where 90% are either copying someone else, or worse, they’re using incorrect methods; on the other hand, your content contains a balanced mixture of teaching, coaching, testing, insider information, mistakes, and diagnoses of failures.
I watch “Failure Videos” for their training value, and I’m sure your viewers/subscribers do the same… thanks for providing balanced content.
Those big tiles are some hard work. You will know you had a days work. A bucket of mud per tile!
That is massive house. I do enjoy watching your videos and have learnt a great deal from doing so. I have never used that self leveling stuff though. Most of my clients are low budget.
Shouldn't you put your trowel notches the same direction on the backbutter as the floor?
Tile coach, I love your videos and instruction. I had a question re: these tile leveling systems I see everywhere. If the wedge is pulling a tile up to eliminate lip between two uneven tiles, isn't it pulling one tile up from the mortar bed, creating a weak spot under that edge/corner? Or am I missing something?
Good question! The solution is always point the wedge towards the tile you laied before, so it's actually the new tile that "get pressed" at same height as the "old" and not the old that gets lifted at the level of the new.
Is there a grout space for these tiles? And what product do you use to fill them?
Those wedge shaped clips tend to push the tiles apart when you tighten them down, at least the ones sold by home depot do. The tool to install them also ruined my hand because it can't be adjusted to a comfortable width and ended up putting a not of pressure on my thumb joint. I really like the Marshalltown leveling system that screws down. It's easy to install, no tools needed and if you screw up, it's easy to undo.
Maybe point the wedge in towards the previous set tiles 🤷♂️
Important to note if you do use the self leveling mortar it needs to be thoroughly cleaned before setting tile onto it. A good sponging off and a vacuuming to get the layer of soot off it.
On a side note. Doesn't seem like anyone ever wears eye protection when cutting or grinding. Come on fella's, start wearing eye protection already.
Теперь понял,главное решительность!
Isaac, you tell people to go into building trades but as you can see in this video and I found out tiling my own bathtub (much smaller tiles) is that this trade is heavy, hard work! Now I know why you are so strong and muscular and I'm not!
Yes! I can't believe how gracefully he placed that heavy huge tile down on the mortar. 🦾
TILING THE GYM? DROPPING A PLATE ON THAT TILE ... LAME TILING THE GYM AREA
I always back butter with the smooth side of the trowel, with running the ridges along the length of the tile you are creating lots of small air pockets with the ridges running the opposite way on the floor. Also before you bed the tile, put the clips under the edge closest to you. This stops it pushing all the thinset out (if you use a vibration thumper) and slows you to come back to the job the next day and still use clips. Great video and good work.
Question come ur thin on the tile is different direction to the floor. Will that not leave a hollow spots from trapped air. I would have thought that toweling in the same direction would allow the to escape.
Hi I would like tu know what size of spacer are you recommend for tile 16x32 tanks a lot
Do you think the QEP Lash leveling clips are big/strong enough for this size tile or does this need heavier duty?
Correct me if I'm wrong here but both notches on the floor and tile should be going same direction no?
from a trainer instructor of trades in masonry well done
I trawl the same direction so air can escape properly
Must be hard on the back having to go cut those on the water saw. I have a 5ft straight cutter and use a grinder with a diamond wheel. Water saws I find are way to much setup and water mess
Damn they’re putting that in a track house
What did u use as a decoupling membrane under those tiles? Great that u did floor levelling but I don't see any on the floor if the house moves or settles and the slab get a hair line crack it transfers right thru.
Raimondi clips are breaking in hand. Biggest crap ever work with.
Oh it’s painful installing 24x48 using riamondi clips they snap so easily used em once never used them agin lol. From my experience I found the only leveling system thats works really well with 24x24 and up lft is acufloor leveling system they are super strong. Stronger than levtec,Tlock and MLT in my opinion. Anyways love your videos man watch em all the time.
Like you videos. Always takiing tips an trick from you channel. Im tile setter from bay area.
Thanks for this video! I was just looking into installing 12”x60” plank and this is a perfect video for me to watch
highly informative w/ great instructions. thanks a million.
Great video man just did a bathroom floor today first time tiling, 24x48 tiles too. Flat buttered the back of the tiles with no ridges and half inch knotches on the floor but i tell ya man there was no way i was pulling my tile up Iike that after setting it down lmaoo last tile, forgot two leveling clips and man oh man even with suction cups it was a no go for lifting that back up, so guess i got a good bond. Ended up perfect!!
What would you charge to do a standard size shower 90 sqf with 24×48 I'm to sure if I wanna take it one seems like it would be a total bitch lol
That’s a BFT
Big family tree..... I don’t see the reference. Lol
Hah BFT keeps getting FB too.
What size grout lines (and spacer clip system) do you have on that installation? Is it a 1/16" or 1/8" ?
I usually have jeel a few spin doctor handy for when clips break.....
Thanks for the videos man I just started watching them I own my house for about five years and I think I’m gonna tackle mine bathroom for tile just the floor though for some experience
So I'm a carpenter who hates to tile but seems to always get to a point where I need to. so I needed to learn how to get better. your videos have made a huge difference. I started to hit my parameter of thinset down before setting tile wow huge difference with clean up inside grout lines. I've always been great at layout but I learned to slow the hell down when doing tile work. and I'm about to tackle a 2'X4' shower using the widi system I came on here to check out some tips setting such a large tile its a little intimidating. I think just cutting is going to be the biggest problem I need to go rent or buy a large tile snap cutter. anyways you've made my projects easier. easier means more money and less wear and tear on my body. so I thank you!
Really great video. Been setting tile 40 years,really enjoyed watching you! Great job.
Why is it better to do thin set for big rectangular tiles rather than the dry oack method?
And why do you need a levelling system for these kinds of tiles?
What spacer' size do you use? 1/16 or 1/8 ?
Do you not prime the leveller before tiling? I'm always afraid of it sucking out the moisture of the mortar.
Have you ever used 24”x48” tiles for countertops?
Never even thought about that .am in the process of redoing my kitchen and I think that's what am going to do
Suddenly those 9x48 tiles I put down a couple of years ago don't seem so big.
Have you used Ardex x77? Compared to prolite?
I literally got a tile project few days ago to do a floor in the kitchen. And your video helped a lot to strengthen my skills and knowledge. Thanks for the video.
Am I the only one who spotted a cracked tile left in the corner? Just carry on laying? Can tell how much you appreciate your work..
Yep, me too. 8:04
You cant make that cut without the tile breaking, the pcs are just to large.
Plus, he made it into a grout line, so its not a crack. Most of it will be covered by the trim and shoe molding anyways.
That clip saved him from a chipped tile!
Clip came in clutch
did I hear right , 200 sq feet a day between 3 guys ? crikey thats not fast .meaning lot of money being charged....... I try to to 150 sq feet on my own , no help , keying in , back butter ,clips , the lot . if i dont then not making money , charge more and wont get the job..... 150 sq feet is only about 20 of these tiles ? surely one man can aim do that ?
I have a 24x48 job coming up next month and the subfloor is all out of whack. What kind of primer/self leveler is your go to? I've used some in the past per instructions and had some cracking in the self leveler.
Edit: love watching the videos.
Ultraplan 1 plus from mapei it’s a good one
I have a 3000sqft job. Was leaning towards purchasing a new bridge saw. Rubi DS250N 1300 and a montolite 131p5? Never thought the new DeWalt would be useful? Thoughts?? I will have some mitres on the walls in the same large 24x48 tiles.
Porcelain Tiles are not easy to break but that cut around the wall, next tile cut the complete cut then Grind the backside, crack it and when you lay it down match the tile pieces together and it will look like the cut was done complete. Other than that I follow a few of your videos! I'm Retired but laid tiles over 30 years!
Are you saying to scar the back of the tile before break it on the tile cutter? It's unclear to me how you are saying it. Thanks
Hello there ,I have a question for you ,I m going to install 24x24 stone 5/8 thick float plywood with concrete schluter mambrene installation and tile install
Malibu, what is the price for square feet
Is 1,300 square feet
Thanks
First big job for me
Great video. About 6 months ago did 12 by 24 and even it was so much harder then 12 by 12. Love the clips. Will never do without clips.
Very insightful video. Do you have anyone that you can recommend to install 24”x48”? I have 2600 ft2 to install. Long Beach Ca
Can I fly you down to Florida? LOL but seriously......I just had a terrible shower tile install and stopped job before finishing and didn't proceed to finishing my floors. 🙄
Question. Could I just backbutter the tile ? Same size ? Instead of double tin set? ? Thanks @TileCoach
Do you have a tutorial for cutting tile to fit that wall at 4:01?
@@sb6162 i meant transferring the measurements and wall angles to the tile.
Is he tiling right on plywood subfloor? If so I'm kind of surprised. Would have thought he would have used some sort of underlayment or uncoupling membrane.
Love using the edge of a mallet to beat down the tile. Takes care of any air pockets underneath.
Tile in a weightroom seems like an odd choice, hopefully the owner has some kind of platform if they decide to do deadlifts, and I would probably add some kind of rubber mat in case of drops.
I know right. Cork tile would be perfect in a weight room.
Unless they are really strong like Isaac is and never drop a weight.
@TileCoach
What are your thoughts on a membrane to isolate or alleviate expansion and contraction between the substrate and the tile? Also future cracks in concrete?
Something amazing I’ve discovered recently with leveling clips.
LevTech clips + Raimomdi wedges = awesomeness
The levtech clips are flexible and not rigid but their wedges are kind of harsh on the fingers and harder to insert.
The raimondi wedges are easy on the fingers and slide in the levtech clips with ease.
Not a big fan of the raimondi clips, seem too brittle and don’t do as good a job at bringing tiles to the same plain.
Side note: when a clip prematurely breaks I like to use Yiyatoo reusable clips. (check Amazon) This way you don’t have to pull the tile up or slide another clip under and make a mess with thin set.
I also use the Yiyatoo anywhere i have one brake or need an extra or on a new row and the thin set is dried and you can't get a clip in
You have 2 comb noches....running opposite directions....trapping air
So when you back butter the tile you troweled the ground and back of tile in a cross hatch pattern I’ve been told to do both in same direction does it matter do you have air pockets?
Sooooooo, air won't get trapped in mortar bed with opposing (perpendicular) trowel directions on substrate and back of tile?
Also level tech are a much better system their clips don't break by looking at the. Like the RLS clips
Grabo makes it much easier, I like to trowel mine on saw horses easier on the back, tile beater/ vibrator also real helpful no need to wiggle
Thank you! Can you do a video on how to install large format porcelain tiles (48" x 24" and greater) in shower floor? Like it's kinda tricky getting an even thinset on a slope bc you can't use a self-leveling thinset.
There is no such thing as self-leveling thin set. Self-leveling mortar is used to fill in low spots in concrete substrate underneath the tile.
I have a project I am doing andI would like to actually talk to you about.. also I was going to order 2 for drains and see about that rs membrane
What size are your wedges? How thick will your tin set be once the tile is installed? How much space do you leave between the tile and the wall?
Go to your local thrift store and get some putters.
Best way to break off the clips.
Just use your foot
And what did you do to get rid of the trapped air?
Hiring contractor is waste of money. I only hire non contractors and save bunch of money.
Why aren't you using a suction cup to install tile much easier to handle that large of a tile I would also useavibrator to set into morter
Anybody ever use a marshaltown lay flat trowel for these big tile? Works great
You are leaving lot of air pockets by spreading compound in different directions on tile and on floor.
How did you make the cut around the wall ? Looks like a difficult one.
Looks like he cracked it