The Dog Nutritionist Review - Hill's Kidney Care Dry & Wet Food Review (Dry & Wet)
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So basically Hills and my ignorance killed my beloved companion. The guilt I feel is overwhelming.
I'm getting a new puppy in three months and he's never going to eat the processed slop that passes for dog food.
Thank you Cam for showing us the way.
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How old was your dog?
My golden pup diagnosed UTI when she was 1yr and Vet recomended fed Hill's Kidney care kibble. My pup didn't like hill's kibble and smelled so bad, oily. Also, My pup gained weight and had diarrhea very often, itchy skins. And I started research bout dog's foods and found out most of commercial kibbles could cause UTI or any other disease. And I started fed my pup healthy oven baked nuggets with homemade proteins like chicken, fishes, beef.As soon as I changed foods, my pup stoped diarrhea, no itchy skins and lost weight to ideal weight, no more UTI. My pup is now 2yrs and she is really healthy. I am so glad and appriceated you made this video and provide right information to pup family !! :)
Thank You for making this video!!! When my cat ended up almost dying from crystals in the urine the vet did $$$$ worth of care to keep my car alive. After discharge we were given Hills Cat Kidney care. It was really expensive for the food, and when I got home and read the ingredients I was Immmediately outraged!!!! It’s literally the worst food on the market for cats and dogs!!! Instead they should be recommending low calcium foods!!!!! It took me 3 years to figure out what I had to do to keep my cat alive on a much higher quality food!
I’m so angry with all food producers, our human foods couldn’t be further from real food as well! This is why we have diabetes, CVD, immune disorders, cardiac disease….. literally 98% of disease in us and our pets is from what foods we have access to… and the gut micro biome is of utmost importance and the foods we eat/feed our pets, destroy the body’s ability to maintain and produce all digestive enzymes. I could go on for days!!! Thanks so much!
So you trust your vet to keep your cat alive but not to prescribe the most nutritionally beneficial food? Next time why not take your cat the guy in the video?
Thank goodness I found your channel. I have always had concerns about commercial food.
Glad I could help!
This is what my vet prescribed for bladder crystals but it’s the hills urinary cd brand. I told her that I had heard about a channel where I could make my own dog food that would heal him. She said has to stay on this diet until we check his levels again, possibly indefinitely if he doesn’t heal. He doesn’t like the food and cries that he’s hungry. This makes me feel awful and is very conflicting.
If he's not eating at all it's going to be worse than eating something biologically appropriate no matter what the vet says, I don't like going against my vet either but we do what we have to do with the situation at hand and this guy in the video is a certified nutritionist and not a run-of-the-mill hippie quack like many here on youtube.
I love your straight to the point review thank you so much for putting this information out there and cutting through the BS
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Thank you Cam. I so wish every pet owner knew about good nutrition.
You won’t find it on this channel
I was told by two seperate vets to give my dog this food, she suffers from pancreatitis and when I saw the fat content returned the product. Ive just discover you on here and what you say makes so much more sense.
Listen to your vet.
Hi! What would you recommend for a dog that lost one of his kidneys, sadly he was attacked for a large dog 6 years ago, that's how he lost his kidney, since then he was given hills KD food, but he is not sitting well with it any longer...
Your thoughts on Forza10 renal dog food would be welcome. My little Yorkie (16 yo) has just been diagnosed with stage-3 kidney disease.
Thank gosh you put out another video!! You rock Cam! Keep preaching, keep putting out videos!
Can you do an episode on Dr Harvey’s raw vibrance base mix. that’s what I feed my early kidney dog I feed her one scoop of that with 2 ounces of steamed 90% lean ground beef. She is a dog the fluctuates between eight and 10 pounds. Originally the doctor Harvey’s people wanted me to give her a ratio of 1 ounce of meat per one scoop of Dr. Harvey’s, but I thought that in her early stages that was a little too low of a protein and she was not as interested in eating it as she is if I gave her a one to two ratio. Technically the feeding instructions that came with the food said for a low protein diet at 8punds she should get 2oz or meat and 2 1/2 scoops of base mix. When I tried that she could not eat it all the volume of the food was to much. So I cut back on the base mix but left the meat the same. Which actually raised the protein ratio since the base mix is mostly but not all dehydrated fruits and vegetables.
My dog has been on Royal Canine Urinary So and put on weight after loosing weight on a raw diet. Also was on anti bionics all summer.
She has a polyp. It shrunk allot but still has bacteria and urine has just been sent to the main lab for further testing. She is on a new anti biotic till results come back.
My vet diagnosed our cat with kidney disease (crystals and blood in the urine) and told us to get Hill’s “Prescription” brand cat food. I cook for my dog (working on raw) so I knew about the product. However, she was in pain so I figured I’d temporarily move to the food while I researched cat foods. I ordered the Hill’s (puke) and my vet took the longest time to approve the order because (of course) you need ‘vet approval’ to buy the product anywhere. My vet’s office did have time to send me an email letting me know that they too sell that formula. So he diagnosed her, recommended a product, took his time to approve purchasing it anywhere, and ‘oh’ he happens to sell it too. Just makes me so upset. I have her on really good canned food only. For now, that’s all I can do as we are learning more about raw dog food. Wonder what you think about balanceit. Our vet told us to use that and I hate the supplements. Just feels like another scam.
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If this was through Chewy, they are notorious for taking forever to approve the orders and blaming it on the vets. Highly likely your vet did send them the info (sometimes multiple times I’ve heard) and Chewy was just incompetent but claiming they were the ones waiting on your vet.
My dog has a shunt kidney I am so confused now I just started giving her hills dog food what do you recommend for me to give her thank you
I know this comment is old. What did you do? I’m in the exact same boat you are right now. I have $200 worth of hills food in a cart on chewy and now don’t know what to do?
Appreciate the review but have a question few want to talk about...Hills is "approved" by the WSAVA, to the average consumer this would instantly give credit to the food that its a very good food. Please help us understand the miss between what the WSAVA is saying and your review...I truly hope you take the time to reply to this
Chris, was a veterinary rep for Hills and for 34 years trained vets and their teams for 34 years. Cam knows actually nothing! He is sincere but sincerely wrong. I can counter with evidence based every dumb statement he is saying. I hate to be disrespectful but he’s just pushing a philosophy! He totally has no idea how these diets work, and totally demonizing vets and nutritionists. He totally misrepresents the silly court case against Hills and the recall, which was heartbreaking for us, was not purposely poisoning dogs. A trusted supplier messed up. Perhaps Cam should consider the thousands and thousands of pets saved. Me chooses to be ignorant I suppose to charge for his services. It’s pretty disgusting!
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@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I’ve always fed my animals Hill’s for the most part. They all lived extremely long lives, had gorgeous coats, and were thriving. I don’t buy into any of this stuff… him claiming that corn is indigestible was an immediate red flag. The finely ground meal is actually highly digestible and contains a lot more nutrition than many other grain options. I think we just associate corn with Fritos and other non-nutritious junk foods so much that we forget how healthy the crop actually can be.
@@violetblythe6912 I love you Violet! Was a Hills veterinary rep for 34 years! You are absolutely correct!
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My 11 month old border terrier has been put on hills prescription with probiotics for his occasional bouts of d and v I don’t no what to feed him now it’s very distressing x
Don’t be distressed this guy isn’t even remotely qualified to give nutritional advice on animals. Work with your vet he/she has your pet’s best interest at heart. Backed with at least 12 years of school and sound science.
Hi, there is a 404 error message in the links you referenced. I would love to see them, is there another location I can access them?
Hey, you might want to check our Kidney Health Plan. Here's the link: www.thedognutritionist.com/products/kidney
can you please do blue buffalo ks??
Is this the same consideration for cat?
I have a video on The Pet Food Puzzle guy but please don’t believe anything this guy says if you have a cat with kidney disease. I trained vets on these diets for 34 years!
900 hundred hours! That's amazing. Where did you get your degree from? That's a whole 5 weeks! Hills has over 200 vets, food scientists, and PH.D nutritionists for a combined average of 114,400 weeks of training in veterinarian school. You should be able to ask to visit the Hills Pet Nutrition Center in Kansas. I'm sure the board-certified nutritionists and vets would love to learn from you. Maybe you can share some of your published studies with them. Hey, why not make a UA-cam video of your visit? Keep up the good fight!
where can i find the list of INGREDIENTS ? I want to print it and return this food to my vet
It’s on the bag! And your vet will feel really bad for your dog because he/she has seen the research on this diet and more importantly has seen renal patients saved on it. Poor Cam, whatever s certified dog nutritionist is, has no idea what he’s talking about. He should try talking to board certified nutritionists and not pet food marketers. Notice his business is telling you how the top nutritionists in the world are all wrong! He is harming sick pets! It’s disgusting.
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@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy those are the ingredients , you think i give this to my sick dog ? NO WAY Ingredients: Water, corn starch, pork liver, chicken, chicken fat, dextrose, flaxseed, dried beet pulp, chicken liver flavor, fish oil, egg whites, powdered cellulose, calcium carbonate, l-lysine, potassium citrate, potassium chloride, dl-methionine, choline chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate, thiamine mononitrate, niacin supplement, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, vitamin B12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, iodized salt, magnesium oxide, l-threonine, taurine, l-carnitine, l-tryptophan, beta-carotene.
Red: harmful ingredients
Orange: controversial ingredients
Schnauzer (11) doing great on this prescription food. He was pee’ing in the house & diagnosed with bladder stones.
I dont see any free recipe on your website..
Check the blog, "homemade diets for dogs with kidney disease"
Sounds like a bowl of cheerios might be better for your dog than this rubbish!
You could never trust vet these days. I confirmed with my vet friend from another state the vet I went to screw me over with $600 with prescription my dog did not need.
My dog can't stand hills kd
look at all those biologically appropriate foods out there, loaded with enough meat protein for a wolf and so expensive! but those ingredients you're looking at are worth it. Congrats! You're the perfect pet food customer. You're not even interested if the food company has a board certified nutritionist on staff. You're fine not knowing if the nutrients provided are balance or imbalanced and excessive putting you pet at higher risk of diseases. pet food companies love you! and you don't even look for that Nutritional Statement from AAFCO. it says the food was formulated to meet AAFCO standards. You have no idea Formulated means the food was never fed and tested on any dogs till you bought it! and AAFCO standards simply means it can't be deficient in any of the some odd 50 nutrients in the food. They can be excessive all they want, just not deficient. Didn't know that? and if it says For All Life Stages....guess what it is? This shows how lame and useless AAFCO is! Remember I said it can't be deficient? Well, to meet the needs of ALL life stages, that means puppies too. So you are feeding a puppy food! Do you have a puppy? think of the nutrients needed and delivered in a growing puppy that first year. Does it make sense to feed that to your adult or worse yet older dog? Any company that makes All Life Stage foods is a failure at providing optimal nutrients. But oh that bag is so pretty and those ingredients make you feel so good forking over that $100 bucks! But lets demonize that evil food company that has more board certified veterinary nutritionists and chemists than any other and has advanced canine and feline nutrition further than anyone else. Because the marketers are telling us the truth with their manipulative ingredient games and we don't care about nutrients anymore. I always knew marketing was powerful but this is so sad.....and being done to people who truly love their pets as family as I do. that is why I have a channel now.
Since the so called pet nutritionist just talked ingredient panels instead of renal nutrition, lets talk ingredient panels. Cam, I'm sure you're sincere, but you are sincerely wrong! Ingredient panels are not a tool to determine the quality of a food. Surprised? you said the first ingredient is the most, last ingredient the least. That is wrong and you really should know this. the ingredient panel, by strict law, goe by weight, heaviest ingredient first. Sadly, Purina in 1987 came out with Pro Plan and they were the first to manipulate the ingredient panel to have chicken as the first ingredient,. they were the first to use "fresh" chicken. A genius move. all the water weight in the meat shot it to the front of the ingredient panel! It looked great and they could charge more money. But ironically the next ingredient was chicken meal. Now that's dry form so all that weight is protein, the real protein source. the other trick is called ingredient splitting. That's when you come up with a few different names for less attractive ingredients. By having a few names you split the weight and they all move further down the ingredient panel. this has become an art and many people fall for the trap of just comparing good sounding ingredients to bad sounding ingredients and never asking what the nutrients in the diet are! and the regulatory agencies like AAFCO are so lame, they give us such vague definitions of those ingredients that companies and sneak all kinds of crap in and you'd never know it looking at ingredients! is the fresh chicken pure chicken like high quality organ meat or is it 4D meat (dead, diseased, dying, disabled,not fir for human consumption) with feathers, bones, dirt, etc? How do you know? You don't do you? you're a nutritionist and you don't know? you're just trusting that ingredient panel to say what you want it to say. While making a video comparing Orijen cat food to Science Diet canned I discovered Orijen marketers, not a nutritionist if they have one, played a great trick on cat owners. Canned food is always high in water content so an honest ingredient panel will list water first. The marketers at Orijen used chicken bone broth and fish bone broth instead of water. doesn't that sound so nutritious. well, they used two types of broth to split the weight so chicken went to the front of the ingredient panel! great marketing but what about nutrition? Well, when I called the company I found the mineral content from the ingredients they used were almost double that of Science Diet, the very minerals crystals and stones are formed from. and while Science Diet controlled those levels it also maintained a very specific urine pH of 6.2 to 6.4 to help prohibit stones from forming. And besides the risk of stones, keeping the phosphorus level lower helped protect the cat's kidneys as they aged, in case of early kidney disease. That's a good thing since cat owners don't usually notice signs of kidney disease till 3/4 of the kidney function is gone. Sounds like a great diet but you would hate it because it has corn gluten meal in it! Why would a board certified nutritionist, Hills has more than any other company, add such an ingredient in a diet for a carnivore? They must be getting paid off! Corn is just a cheap filler with no nutritional value! well, real nutritionists know that's not true. corn gluten meal is made from the heart of the kernel and is actually a protein source. Cooked at the right temp and duration it is completely bioavailable to even a cat. But still, why use it? The cat needs protein but meat protein, as great as it is, has to be broken down by the liver and kidneys. meat protein also contains phosphorus, which is also very hard on kidneys. by using meat protein, but also with corn gluten meal added, we actually provide more amino acids (protein)than meat alone. That is a nutritional fact. But plant protein is not hard on the kidneys and produces no nitrogen waste like meat protein does! So the ingredient you see as low grade or even harmful to the cat has a very real purpose and benefit..that is nutrition science.
My beautiful old choc lab has been diagnosed with kidney disease and I have tried this hills science dry food and the wet food, she will not eat it so complete waste of time.
Hi there, how about you try the recipes in our Kidney Health Plan? Check it here: www.thedognutritionist.com/products/kidney
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I realize there's a new line of diets to manage disease with the lovely ingredients you probably endorse. but if I may think like a vet for a minute.....I have diets with decades of peer reviewed studies showing their effectiveness and for years I have used these diets and seen the results on my own patients. why would I use these untested diets instead? is there any evidence these ingredients will deliver a true benefit or just a philosophical benefit? but then I would look at the price of $39.99 for one lb of food.....I may sound harsh here and I'm sorry, but I do believe this is pet parent abuse! you confuse people by telling them how awful those vet diets are because you have bought into this glamour ingredient marketing, and at worse guilt or shame them for what they are doing. then you give them a solution most of them cannot begin to afford. you night say I'm exaggerating but I read the threads. this almost cult mentality has people literally saying their vet put them on a food and the food worked great, but they know its garbage and they're doing their best to get off it! that's amazing to me? Why do they think it worked! I do have my own issues with RC and Purina but I do have to include them with Hills in the fact almost everything we know about canine and feline nutrition was either researched and discovered by them or funded by them!! Hills started the Morris Animal Foundation and still supports it to today. Hills mapped out the complete genome of the cat, which has opened up all kinds of insight into how nutrients effect gene expression. we now manage obesity and arthritis due to that research. And to answer one of your points in your video, hills has started adding some of that technology into Science Diet so the benefits can be more affordable for pet parents. That's a good thing! but even though worth millions, Hills donated the data to Morris Animal foundation because it would be so beneficial for research. Hills recently finished a new research facility focusing on small breed canine nutrition. 22 million dollars! my real concern is that one day, as marketing takes over more and more, someone at Hills is going to ask Why do we spend millions on research and discovering all this nutritional stuff when we just need to do like everyone else and make a flashy bag and an attractive ingredient panel and add a wolf in a commercial? And sadly, they might have a point. We have exchanged the discussion of nutrients for a discussion on ingredients. just what the dishonest pet food marketers want! That has made it very easy for even used car salesmen to make and sell pet food! If food companies had to show their nutritional value most would go out of business!
Sorry for the rant but this is important. We can agree to disagree on how to feed our healthy pets. I have to problem with you and Dr Becker and others promoting that. I have seen some animals thrive on raw. Since I'm a vet rep I guess I have the same concerns they have but go for it. But demonizing the very diets and the company that has been saving pets lives for longer than I've been alive, that is wrong. i sincerely invite you to watch a few of my videos. its okay. You'll strongly disagree with them but I hope at least you will have a better understanding of why they do what they do. Might not seem like it, but we all should be on the same side, with the love we have for our furry family.
The philosophy of biologically appropriate is not science but a great marketing concept. I get it! It sounds great and sells food. Think about it though. Nature sucks for dogs and cats in the wild. They live long enough to reproduce once or twice, and then they're dead. There is no geriatrics in nature! So though you can look at the natural diet of a wolf, which varies every day and they might travel up to 30 miles a day to find food, does that sound like the average dog? There are millions of geriatric dogs in America who could benefit from a diet designed to reduce the risk of age related diseases, but lame AAFCO doesn't even produce guidelines for seniors! The diets Hills makes for old dogs and cats are totally unnatural because there are no old wild dogs. And the excesses and imbalances of pet food that didn't bother the young animal can be very harmful to the older pet. Yet with bio appropriate, you are ignoring that and putting pets at risk! I saw almost every day how we would manage a pet and give them relief, just by getting them off these expensive fancy foods and onto a diet designed for their nutritional needs. By providing optimal nutrients, not fancy ingredients .And just FYI, therapeutic diets are indeed long term. As the FDA so pointed out in that ridiculous law suit we don't cure anything. We manage them. Take a cat off a urinary diet and if he has blacked once, most likely he will block again. Take an arthritic dog off the food that has relieved his pain and he will be needing potentially harmful NSAIDS again. Take the kidney patient off their renal diet and they will die much more quickly. these diets are not quick fixes. and you seem so happy to bring up that law suit. Well, the govt didn't like that our diets had so much research and made so many claims. They confused the name Prescription Diet as if we were saying our diets were medicine. so we now have to say we manage disease instead of treating it. Politicians! but the efficacy of the diets was never in question. as an animal lover, you need to understand that.
It amazes me how many times you ripped apart your own arguments across the comment spam you did on this video and yet remain 100% unaware of it which proves the 'nasty and spiteful' little nutritionist in this video as correct.
@@rustyhowe3907 you are welcome to clarify if you’d like. But thanks for responding.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy For the sake of ease of reading I'll do a condensed version for you;
Firstly you appeal with emotional manipulation "as an animal lover, you need to understand that." among quite a few other examples of the same tactic within these comments, it's a suggestive sell based on emotion as the sales pitch when we're supposed to be talking about health and well being, it's like arguing we shouldn't be brushing our teeth because we don't like the taste of toothpaste, too bad we need to do it because it stops our mouths from rotting.
In this particular thread you claimed animals only produce once or twice before dying out...simply false even for the vast majority including canines, I suggest watching a documentary for proof of this however the argument does show a preferred all or nothing approach by you (furthered by the rest of this particular comment thread and another that carries a hyperbolic stance of again all or nothings), which means you are marketing your preferred product through fear tactics and scare mongering not talking about health and well being.
On the subject of prescription diets it's unfortunate you're diverting into the victimhood route for your preferred company's favour. The presentation was that these prescription diets work to maintain an animal (cat or dog in this case) with a medical condition, upon further investigation it was deduced that it falls under potential fraud as these foodstuffs contain 0 medicinal qualities or even a change in ingredients that nurtures the animal through their condition. As you claim "Take the kidney patient off their renal diet and they will die much more quickly." when there is 0 evidence to suggest this is a factual statement let alone via the product you endorse, in fact there's little to no difference in these prescription diets compared to regular diets (established as fact via the court investigation).
Definition of "vet prescription"; When you are given a prescription for a medication for your pet, it means that your veterinarian has made a decision that the medication is recommended or necessary to treat your pet's health problem. Having these drugs available as prescription-only medications ensures that they are used appropriately. ((Compliments of Google Search)).
These foodstuffs simply don't qualify as anything more than an opinion instead of established fact.
Then you didn't respond to the chappy above me about the FEDIAF (selective countering I smell), now if we take your approach of "but lame AAFCO doesn't even produce guidelines for seniors!" then you shredded your own argument because why the heck would your preferred company adhere to non-applicable guidelines that simply don't exist in the first place and still have the nerve to call it 'prescription' and expect people to buy this ridiculous bag of hard baked grain in the first place whilst also claiming standards are followed (which simply don't exist for illness/condition and old age) let alone for maintaining condition through illness/condition/old age?
No standards = No amount of company nutritionists (or sales reps) can claim the legitimacy of their products, may as well be make believe or ya know...an opinion instead of established fact made by people who'll never even see their customer's animals for proper evaluation.
People expect quality food for their animals which is why they are here, they're done with used car salesmen representing the face of companies using waste not even suitable for fertilizer and passing it off as optimum nutrition for their animal companions.
And now these representatives cry boo-hoo over a nutritionist, not bought out, saying whole food ingredients (not hard baked kibble) is what animals are evolved to eat...yet have the nerve to suggest people don't love their animal companions if they feed...uuhhh wholefoods?
Think about this for a moment!
The entire situation is absolutely ridiculous along with the hysterics involved against "wholefoods are good for you" just bonkers to have a temper tantrum tearing up comments sections for people saying "show me the facts via independent investigation (not company/bought out investigation) that kibble is better than proper food" or even just not agreeing with you or not finding your product viable or even finding it bad for their individual circumstances, get over yourself!🙄
You've more than proven you're a loud and bold sales rep and very bold to claim to know more than a nutritionist, which is odd considering you say we should follow the nutritionists' knowledge...only of your company's that is.
@@rustyhowe3907 first, thank you for taking the time to write such a long response. I read the whole thing twice. It’s funny you call me loud and bold because I always think I’m a bit to boring for UA-cam, just stating facts. I suppose it’s true I got emotional with Cam’s statements only because I know how wrong and harmful they are to pets with kidney disease. I realize you don’t have the experience of learning about these diets from the very people that create them, something I always enjoyed and was fascinated by. And more importantly you didn’t see years of clinical studies proving the efficacy of these diets, though admittedly much of it was over my head and needed further explanation. But most dramatic fir my belief in therapeutic nutrition came from seeing the diets work. I suppose in my 34 years I worked with about 300 different vet clinics. They were all unique personalities like any other field. Some were more progressive with nutrition, others were not. But one constant was if they recommended the food( and later RC and Purina) they worked…especially renal and urinary diets. It would take science a few more years to figure out weight management but they did. If my experience with all that, as an animal lover, drives me to share that knowledge, makes me a used car salesman, I’m sure I can’t convince you otherwise. When I was a young man and hitchhiking thru the west I got a job in Yellowstone. Worked there for a year. One of my favorite things was getting up early and going out to Lamar Valley to watch the wolf pack, the Druids as they were named. It was the naturalist ranger there that mentioned how tough survival is for them and it was he would mentioned they get to reproduce once or twice. I don’t think he meant it as a longevity study. The point is there is no geriatrics in nature so when scientists make a diet fir a geriatric canine or feline, the rules change. You can’t use biologically appropriate. I tried to explain how silly the lawsuit was and how nothing has changed. You, like Cam, think the name is so misleading. The fact there is no medicine in these diets is correct and every vet knows that. I admit over the years clients now and then ask. But for you and Can to state these diets are no different than any grocery food… you sound like a fool to the people who know better! It shows the power of bias! I don’t know your line of work but the research done by Hills, RC and Purina doesn’t just get accepted as the company said it so we all believe it. University studies, independent studies are all reviewed by the professionals that have the credentials to make recommendations and either endorse or reject them. You seem to think it’s just marketing (like grain free or holistic or biologically appropriate) show me the peer reviewed studies on those! And yes, AAFCO could make strict standards and help pet parents evaluate foods, and they don’t. And to not even attempt senior parameters is terrible! It allows companies to make senior foods that are no different then their puppy or kitten foods! That’s something you should be upset over. Yep, I was just a rep, not a nutritionist. But nowadays I see all these so called nutritionists on line and I can tell almost immediately they don’t know anything and have no real credentials. They listen to the newest industry marketing and hype and parrot it, to sell something usually. So we’ll never agree but thanks for responding. I’ve enjoyed my experience with my channel. I hope you’ll watch more.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Thank you for your response and insight, quite the life you've had.
Myself I lived and worked in animal recovery starting as a kid on a farm and from there into as a small local wildlife recuperation volunteer to now neglected animals, many of which have had to be bottle fed even as adults simply because they don't have the strength to chew and this has included many dogs and cats, horses, birds and rodents along the way.
This is where your assumption of geriatric animals not available in the wild is simply untrue (along with your assumption that I'm some kind of uneducated fool), animals *do* indeed live long quite frequently along with passed down generational information on routes, pasture, water, hunting grounds etc. I should show you some of our critters here in Australia all the way from snakes and lizards to dingoes and kangaroos, they stay with their groups (if social) until they can no longer follow to then be picked off by predators (check out bison sometime), group predators often look after their own until they no longer can (dolphins and primates (both predatory) are high tiered on this). A dire wolf fossil proved this as well with a merging of the two foreleg bones being shattered and fusing together with time proving pack care due to the nature of the injury.
So to say a biologically appropriate diet simply can't be followed into old age is frankly utter hogwash, a toothless cat isn't going to do well on hard baked kibble or grain smoosh with vitamin powder they need nutrients and especially moisture in old age.
Heck not even geriatric wild canine animals in captivity are fed grain smoosh and kibble and their lives are even longer than in the wild, again your point is one of a sales rep and not of an animal observer despite your claims. I tie it in to your earlier point about not being loud...the comment section on this video with your wild statements certainly points to the opposite.
I'm glad you know a nutritionist when you see one, just like I know a money grabbing hard seller denying a court inquiries discoveries on viability (remember I said it was an established fact, I didn't say it was solely my opinion) when I encounter one.
Animal owners want guaranteed facts a dehydrating kibble straining their pets' compromised kidneys is indeed a good thing, that going against evolution itself is indeed a good thing, that companies *aren't* grinding up waste mixes as food and calling it good. They want that bare minimum and they want that without any chance of companies owning the studies but also endorsing studies that go against their ideals. If they're so so right, then they'd have 0 chance of failure to a challenger like grain-free, raw, barf etc all the way from the 'good' companies to the downright horrid ones, heck throw me in there and let's see how I do in the grand scheme of homemade diet representation (yeah too many are downright bad, check youtube for references, yeesh!).
But they can't even manage a lack of toxic levels in their own vitamin doses, this doesn't inspire confidence, it just kills animals and shatters trust that needs to be proven and upheld.
I use this kidney example as I was also told I needed to give this garbage to my now deceased cats, again with the pleas of "if you loved him you would" ignoring every scrap of knowledge I knew my old boys needed. He had 0 kibble and was an abandoned street cat, lived to 19 years and got his kidneys failing only on the last month of life, my second cat died at 15.5 years with kidney disease coming in at 14 years and 9 months. Both times I was told my cats "got it far too late" like failing kidneys is a necessity, I also got a weird stare for their teeth being fantastic though the 19 year old lost quite a few in his last few months. I merely cut his meat into more manageable chunks and made certain his water intake was higher, that's all he personally needed, other cats will require something else in more or less, that's life.
I was also questioned to the point of an almost interrogation as to why none of my cats had ever had kidney stones.
Now I'm questioned why my puppy isn't on kibble, doesn't have bad breath nor the start of tooth troubles "because she doesn't get fed kibble" as though no puppy in the world could have ever survived without commercial feed, yet I'm asked if not begged at times to help recuperate a sickly animal because I know what I'm doing, the nerve!
My previous dogs lived twice the 'normal' age range of their breeds, funny about that they never had kibble either just proper dog appropriate food.
I too have done over 30 years in animal care along with now nursing for old age care (my main job), buuuuut what do I know seeing we don't feed the old folk grain smoosh by Purina and for good blasted reason!
I hope you can keep these insights in mind and not find it as some personal attack when someone disbelieves your beloved company, some of these companies want to own the world's water and have done terrible deeds with children's formula...we're not trusting them with our pets tyvm!
So I am asking myself how someone who is a “certified nutritionist is so unaware of the decades of peer reviewed studies and the thousands of veterinarians who have used this diet for both cats and dogs, and all the evidence both in studies and in our own experience, that you have the nerve to guilt people who fed it! It’s disgraceful! And my Gid, you don’t even know ingredient panels do not go from most to least! How can you not know that? It’s heaviest to lightest, which is why you miss the point looking at ingredients. Marketers manipulate it to make it look good. It’s the nutrients that matter and you never mention them because you don’t even look! I watched dogs and cats be saved every day on these diets as a vet rep in clinics for 34 years! Perhaps you should try working in a vet clinic or ask vets why they so wholeheartedly recommend these foods. Educate yourself because you have a platform and a responsibility! You can start with my videos!