At least Rogue got a slow fade to obscurity in the movies. Nightcrawler plays a huge part in X2, then just disappears, and Gambit didn't even make the cut.
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men. At least they gave every single character more screen-time and character-development. Even Jean Grey was already an established bad-ass in X-Men: Evolution and she didn't even need to have the Phoenix Force in that show.
I'm still baffled as to why Gambit never had a real role in the movies, when he was such a fan favorite character. Sure, he was briefly in the first Wolverine movie, which flopped, but there's no reason they couldn't have reintroduced him later.
Rogue's powers are pretty scary, but her getting over her fear and learning to accept herself is what made her a great character, both in the comics and cartoons. To see Rogue Not grow past her fear to the point where she got herself cured was a gigantic downgrade.
@@movieblocks9164 that's not valid? It's a pretty big one. Also, you have a lot of mutants who are objectively terrible people, which makes them a hard group to integrate into.
Her power is one of the greatest and the most cursed, which is why it’s interesting. Even the animated shows de-powered her, or at least took away the power she got from Carol Danvers.
Rogue should have been in the role Mystique had in DOFP. Mystique can alter her appearance, but is unable to copy the powers of another mutant. The sentinels needed Rogue's DNA to be what they were in the movie. It didn't make sense that just copying an appearance was enough to defeat the X-Men with their own powers.
Well, the whole Mystique thing was a mirror of what happened with Jackman in the first trilogy. They lucked into casting Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique right before she became a megastar, so it was basically inevitable that she would be given the spotlight in future movies.
Rogue was the reason I fell in love with X men animated series. Rogue can do so much even without Ms America. Imagine, she absorbs powers, and masters it, tuning. the powers by herself. Healing of Wolverine, mixed with Professor X's capabilities. She can be unbeatable.
What about Cyclops, the leader of the X-Men? He has very few to say and do in the movies, gets killed of in X3 within the first 15 minutes while wining. No arc but 'in love with Jean Grey'.
cyclops was pretty much hated everywhere. the only place that actually made people genuinely care for him was the marvel vs series made by capcom where he was actually a pretty decent shoto fighter. but in the comics as well as the movies, he was pretty much hated as the boring no personality guy who stole crap from star trek.
Agreed with the other comments. Cyclops sucks. Simple. (though the killing of him in X3 was something to do with the actor getting a different movie commitment, if I remember correctly?)
The movies couldn't do the cyclops, jean grey and wolverine love triangle justice and the Phoenix plot was rushed. Also, imo cyclops was unbearably winy in the first movie and would have been hard to watch if they continued to portray him that way.
The fact that they could have just let Rogue absorb even just a fraction of Phoenix's powers to give her that flight ability and drain Juggernaut to a pulp so she can gain her super strength. But FOX was really focusing more on Wolverine cos he's popular among the masses. They also nerfed Storm so much just to make sure that Wolverine and Mystique are the main stars of the movie.
Thank God, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that saw how nerfed Storm was in the films. I also wasn't really crazy about the actresses that play both her & Rogue (I don't hate the actresses I just don't think they were best suited for those roles).
Jennifer Lawrence was popular in other movies so why they used her. Rogue did not look enough like comic version of Rogue then again Wolverine did not either as in comics was short. However Hugh Jackman popular in other movies so they use him more.
Rogue really does deserve better. I grew up on the 80s/90s comics. Rogue was and is still my favorite X-Men. Thank you for giving her a little spotlight. Even if it is about how she was loosing hers.
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men because you actually get to see more of Rogue growing as a character than you do with the movies.
@@robertnason1494 You know there is also X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men, right?! They actually get to see more screen-time and character-growth for Rogue than the actual movies did.
She was my favorite too. I feel like her being so damn powerful made it really tough to write for her. Think about it, she can literally rob mutants of their powers just by touching them. How do you write a balanced story around that?
Scheduling issues was another reason Rogues role was reduced. The actress Anna Paquin was doing her True Blood series and other projects and they only had her for a very short period for shooting.
@@Jmgjgdjd5 theres no white dye for hair, you have to bleach it to white. which is so damaging to your hair especially if your natural hair is brunette like rogue or even darker 💀 speaking from experience, sadly. my hair is black and it was horribly damaged only to get a platinum blonde, nevermind white
A tiny change to X3 could've had Rogue refuse the cure, join the team for the Last Stand, save Kitty from Juggernaut by holding onto him for a little too long. Absorbing his powers permanently. Character growth AND super strength!
omg I love that idea!⭐️⭐️⭐️ That could’ve totally worked! Plus in the Fox universe Juggernaut is a mutant and not magical so she absolutely could’ve stolen his super-strength. Missed opportunity. But good thinking on your part! 👍🏽
Unfortunately that doesn't work unless they completely alter juggernaut. So far as I remember they never tried to explain his powers in the movies which leads me to assume they kept the crystal being the source. I don't remember an instance in the comics of rogue being shown sapping him. Beating the absolute crap out of him yes but sapping him I don't think so. Though I could be wrong.
@@dungeonmonger well the original timeline X-men movies basically kept out all other forms of mysticism and even space powers where even the Phoenix was just Jean's repressed powers/personality (still haven't watched Dark Phoenix so i don't know if it is different in the new timeline), so the assumption of X3 Juggernaut being "just a Mutant" is a pretty safe bet.
I can't imagine her being missing from Days of Future Past wasn't influenced by the actress being busy wrapping up "True Blood" around the same time. It probably was why her role was so 'self contained' and didn't contribute to the main action, to quote articles describing why it was cut - she was only available on a limited basis, so they had to design her role around her availability, and it ended up getting cut.
Rouge is underrated in general. She was a minor villain of limited power who gained a classic Superman-style powerset by almost destroying a major heroine, and she _turned good in the process._ That is an amazing character arc. You could base an entire storyline on just that.
@@derekcreative2811: Absolutely! Claremont's BEST work was on Rogue; from her 1st appearance in Avengers Annual #10 'til he left the title. The hi-point was '83-84. Just: WOW!
And I've always had to say to people it was NEVER Anna Paquin's fault. This video confirms it. She's a phenomenal actress, but unfortunately was given so little to work with. Would've loved to see how better writers - NOT obsessed with Jackman's Wolverine - would've worked with her.
Thank you! People always blamed Anna and Halle for the material. It’s ridiculous how they gave them so much shit instead of the people behind the scenes
I think you are missing the fact that both these actresses “sullied” their personas with their high profile nudity. Studios can’t make a wholesome superhero when you can google their titties.
@@jsmrt6875 Definitely not the case. If it were, then they would've just been replaced. Anna Paquin's Rogue was downplayed long before 'True Blood' and Halle Berry's Storm was downplayed before 'Swordfish' (2001) - hell, she played a fucking crackhead in 'Jungle Fever'. A CRACKHEAD. Again, just like the video says, it was FOX wanting to push Wolverine because they thought it's what the audience wanted to see.
I would argue that the writers are primarily at fault, but I would also add that neither actress brought anything to the table. These were both lifeless and dull performances IMO.
Nobody has played Storm better than Halle Berry, and nobody has played Rogue better than her voice artist in the animated series. Given that they are the two most powerful fems in the Marvel Universe; more powerful than Thor and Supergirl / Ms. Marvel respectively (until the movie version of Carol Danvers), this is less than a tragedy, it's filmmakers at their stupidest. Both characters could have had movies made about them, and ended with them being dragooned into the X-Men, pleasing both feminists and sexists. ;-)
I'm sad Channing Tatums Gambit movie didn't get made he seems so passionate about the Gambit character id love to see Channing Tatum get to make that movie someday everything I've heard about the Gambit movie script sounds really cool a Rated R mutant Goodfellas movie set in New Orleans in the Deadpool side of the Fox X-Men movies universe is so unique and interesting to me I want to see that solo Gambit movie before he becomes a member of the X-MEN
Really enjoyed the "Rogue & Gambit" mini series followed up by "Mr. & Mrs. X." They'd make an interesting couple in a TV series if I trusted Disney at all to not ruin it.
Rogue was always my favorite Mutant because of the potential in her powers. She can be a threat in almost any situation. Like is said in one of the X-Men animated series "My power is your power, and I can have more than one". The potential combinations of powers and how they might interact always fascinated me. Also how would she deal with the almost uncontrollable powers of a mutant like Cyclops when even over a lifetime the best he can do is control it with mechanical help. So much missed potential in the movies with Rogue.
Exactly. Like one of the ep in the xmen animated. She can be very powerful, but the consequence was her losing control of all the personalities she absorbed. It would have been interesting if she got her villain arc.
tbh, it's way easier to make a confident shape shifting femme fatale look badass on screen than someone who cannot touch anyone without hurting them. not to say the latter cannot be done, just requires much better writing.
@@TheOystei Rogue can be badass if they find a way to make her with super strength and being able to fly. Even though they don't have Carol Danvers character right so they can't let Rogue absorb her powers permanently like comics, but come on, there got to be a way.
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men. At least they gave every single character more screen-time and character-development. Even Jean Grey was already an established bad-ass in X-Men: Evolution and she didn't even need to have the Phoenix Force in that show.
@@xgray2012 yes! I love how all the animated versions of her are all very different, but I love them all (also that in only 1 of the 3 she has flight/super strength but the other 2 still managed successfully to keep her as a main character)
You know how we could solve that? They could've made her absorb the Phoenix's powers on X3. She'd be a main plot point on saving Jean Gray and could finally get her super abilities.
True but Hollywood's obsessed with having white male heroes as the main character. Even in days of future past, it was supposed to be kitty who goes into the past but because hugh jackman is more popular then he went. Iron man 3 was supposed to have a female villain but sexism so nope. It's only in the last few years that even the mcu finally made movies and shows with non white male main characters as the title hero.
My thoughts exactly. I honestly thought her going into the clinic was a fake out so the audience would be surprised when she shows up at the final battle & sucks the bad out of Phoenix.
@@Norixciii you're ridiculous...Marvel is destroying itself as we speak. Literally nobody cares about Phase 4. Precisely bc of the BS Feminist crap you're spouting right now
There was a version of the movie called “rogue cut” which is just the same movie extended with the main addition of rogue and giving the future cast more to do
@@ComeOnBunny wait what????????????????? really????????????????? oh i am sooo happy!!!!!! i never got into the comics only the cartoons x-men and x-men evolution and they were canon in both of those so i was gutted with the films!!!!! ps my head canon with x-men evolution is kitty ends up with lance so really didnt like the love triangle they tried to do!!! Q.Q
@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 Hugh Jackman and Anna Paquin playing a couple in X-Men? No way, they bonded in a father daughter way and it was perfect in the first movie.
I'm a dad that grew up in the 80's and 90's. Loved them then and now. I read some of the more kid appropriate issues from my collection to my daughter's now. One day we'll get to my favorite arc, but since it's Age of Apocalypse, it's gonna have to wait a bit.
@@xerothedarkstar incidentally I’m a dad too, and Age of Apocalypse was one of my favorite arcs (if not the favorite). I introduced my kids to my Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War comics after we watched the movies, still have to get them into X-Men though.
An X-Men movie that focuses on origin stories of Rogue and Gambit, and they're special bond, would be epic. Loved when Gambit used to call Rogue "Cheré"...
I grew up on the animated series. Rogue was awesome on there with her accent, sassy comebacks, and impulsive smarts. Quite a contrast to the more seemingly level headed leader-types who always seem to get in their own way.
My exact thoughts!! Rogue was the most badass mutant on the Saturday morning cartoon. Her and Gambit were the most memorable, but the least recognized in the movies.
@@jezebulls EXACTLY! My two favorites from the cartoon, were Rogue and Gambit... they had a coolness about them, and the best accents. I liked that Gambit used to call her "Cheré". They had a special chemistry too.
I always felt that Last Stand had set up the perfect opportunity for Rogue to be the secret weapon that defeats Dark Phoenix & in so doing gains her additional powers. When it was revealed that she’s gone through with the treatment I felt so let down.
Rogue couldn't absorb the Phoenix unless the Phoenix allowed her to become it's host. Phoenix is the Guardian of all creation after all and that includes Rogue.
@@galanakagalactus903 Yeah but she would have also been absorbing Jean who was the host, she can't absorb one without the other and since they wanted to fade her out it would have actually been the best story to have her survive long enough to pull the phoenix out of Jean. It would have been just as heart breaking and even more so than having Wolverine kill Jean because Wolverine and Rogue always had this father daughter bond.
Except the treatment wasn’t enough for full eradication of the mutant x gene. As shown at the end of the film, when Magneto, who had been shot with the ‘cure’, inched a metal chess piece. Granted, my mom still pointed out it’s massive benefit. It could essentially be like a mutant condom, for Mutants who’s abilities endanger their love ones, especially during intimacy.
@@galanakagalactus903 In the movies the Phoenix was basically just an alternate personality of Jean, was not some big cosmic force. Don't know if that was changed in the most recent movie, but in X3 that is all that Phoenix was. Just Jean cutting loose with her powers.
I think they would have to recast the one playing Rogue as I don't think she is enough to headline a movie though movies focusing on Jean/Phoenix seems to not perform well. This also somewhat applies to the recent cartoon that got axed.
@@spinyslasher6586 proving what the original makers of the series understood and also showing why rogue isnt showcased .. not all superheroes make for more than a single good story, that if repeated is a dead end (superman -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat) .. the superhero must be both tough and vulnerable at the same time but of all the x-men, which ones are tough? even a car accident is likely to kill rogue, cyclops, etc.., etc.. not gonna make a blockbuster about fragile people doing things that are even unbelievable within the fictional universe
@@StonedHunter Won't happen. Danvers can't be beat in the current universe. Because of all the hype and expectation they put on her. Though they seem to be realizing she can't hold her own show.
@@marsbars6869 They could make smaller Disney + tv series focused on individual character. E.g... a cyclops series , storm series e.t.c... Which end up with Prof X finding them and a team up movie like a Avengers film. This allows them to get right in the action for the movies since all the character stuff is already there form the individual tv series which could be anywhere from 4 to 8 hour-long episodes.
Yes. With just the visual quality the disney did with thier Marvel Series, X-men would do just fine even without big screen adaptations (but will still be grateful if they do)
Perhaps. But what if Feige got to them first? Impossible, yes. But giving them the "Avengers treatment" by giving them 10 years of stories on the big screen with stand alone films and team ups, you mean to tell me the world wouldn't be mutant crazy? Yeah. It would have been epic. They're impact will be felt soon, but it will never get what it truly deserves. It was the X-Men that kept Marvel Comics afloat in the 90's. It was the X-Men that was the reason that the Avengers are even a "thing" now, because the selling the X-Men rights to fox. No one was really reading Avengers Comics like that. They were the "B team" compared to the X-Men. It's funny how people forgot that fact. Fox ruined everyone's view of the X-Men with all those crappy movies. No wonder many movie goers are not excited about them. If I was a casual movie goer I wouldn't care less about them. How many times can you get burned? It should have been the X-Men from the jump. What could have been.
Recently started watching the x men animated series due to x men 97 being released. It’s such a shame about rogue, she very quickly became my favourite character.
@@DeadPizza I actually agree. It was the actresses IMO. I'm fine with Paquin. But she's better at playing the shy, quiet type. She's not really lead woman charismatic. Rebecca Romijn on the other hand is amazing. Talented, charismatic, and can carry any scene you put her in. She stole the show. It only made sense to have her to take on the role that would have otherwise been rogue's. Rogue was likeable because she was relatable for some people. But I found Paquin to be kind of cardboard-ish in the role.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Thought the same. Mainly an issue with the writing though, this go at Rogue was to be neutral mask for the audience similar to the twilight girl. Intentionally written to be bland and relatable. I think Rebecca Romijn would have been wasted in a bland/relatable role.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 what she wasn’t even really a part of the series when mystique became a leader. In those first 3ish movies she talked like 2 times then when they got Lawrence they decided to make her a hero
I disagree. I don't think the problem with Rogue was a result of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine eclipsing the other characters around him. Xavier and Magneto were able to hold their own just fine. It also doesn't make sense that Wolverine's popularity as a character would have damaged Rogue - the Logan and Marie dynamic established in the first film was actually a favourite of many fans. Some were shipping it, but most simply liked seeing these two characters together. They played well off each other. The runaway and the man running from himself. They were both, to a degree, afraid of themselves, and helped each other work through those fears. We could have had some really great character stuff between them. The issue is that the X-Men movies didn't know how to handle their female characters. They have all these incredible strong women, and over the course of the three movies, pretty much every one of them gets whittled down and diminished, if they ever get the chance to shine at all. Storm is practically set dressing. (Another waste of an Oscar-winning actress, and a character who has so much more to offer in the comics.) Kitty Pryde's role basically amounts to babysitting and boyfriend drama. Rogue gives up her powers for a high school boy who had his head turned once already - which is such a poor place to take her character, compared to the comics, that it almost feels like Singer had a personal vendetta against her. Mystique ALSO becomes this sad, powerless version of herself (why does it feel like I'm sensing a theme here?) and Jean is pretty much the epitome of this trope. Trapped in another love triangle, loses all sense of herself, and eventually needs to be put down by Logan for the greater good. We could have had a storyline about Jean learning how to retake control from the Phoenix. We could have actually seen her grapple with the aftermath of having killed the man she loves. We could have had something like Wandavision. It's possible the experience would even have changed Jean, and taken her relationship with Logan in new and interesting directions. But we didn't get any of that, because the X franchise just didn't care that much about its female characters. In the end, that's also what doomed Rogue. What makes it frustrating is how easy it was to fix. A better ending for all these characters was right there for the taking, but it seems like no-one even cared to try. So what if Miss Marvel granted Rogue her powers in the comics? The movies were already playing fast and loose with canon anyway. Why not have Rogue take on some of the Phoenix's powers? This would have saved Jean and given Rogue (our intro character from movie one) a hero moment in the big finale of movie three. Imagine a scene where she tells the struggling Jean that she gets it. She understands how it feels to be afraid of yourself. To hate yourself for what you've done to the people you care about. But you can't shut yourself off from the world. You can't give up. A good friend taught her that. * looks at Logan * Sometimes you have to let other people in, and let them help you. She holds out her hand, and Jean takes it. The transfer of power is too overwhelming and almost kills her, but Logan steps in to pull them apart. How could he not? They're the two people he loves most in the world. The excess energy gets channelled into Logan, killing him and saving them. He resurrects, after a long period of seeming almost dead for real, and Jean and Marie are left with a version of the Phoenix powers they can live with. Moral of the story: the X-Men need each other, and life is always worth choosing over death, even when life feels unbearable. This would have been much closer to the mission statement of the first movie, and would have been a much more satisfying outcome for the characters, compared to the bullshit misery of The Last Stand. (Lol. How does thinking about The Last Stand still piss me off so much, even now?)
Wow, you're really good at writing. This takes liberties but treats the characters like people & keeps to the main ideas behind their stories. I much prefer this version.
I haven't read any comics ( yet) and I only know X-men from the movies and some fanfictions. I have to say, I really like your version of the last stand. I didn't really hate it, but then again, I wasn't aware what it should have been. I have to say though, I really hate what they've done with the Dark Pheonix. I hate it with a passion. The already ruined Jean once, and they did a terrible job with origins, but I thought they fixed all that with days of future past. But no, they just wanted to reset the timeline so they could ruine them another time.
You nailed it. The Rogue/Wolverine dynamic was amazing and almost a beta version of what was his relationship with X-23. It was built up so well in the first film, I was so sad they just dropped it like that. So much wasted potential all around.
I remember a book based on Rogue with her thinking about the stories future Kitty told about the reality of Days of Future Past. She commented that she wasn't even mentioned and could have been dead in an alley somewhere for all she knew. At least that was an attempt to retcon a story made before she was on the team.
I kind of like the idea of allowing different characters to take the spotlight in each movie... but that's not what they did. They pretty much did Wolverine and the X-Men. I really like Hugh Jackmans performance as Wolverine, but giving him 3 solo movies and make 2 of the team movies revolve mostly around him is too much for a franchise that was actually meant to be about a team of mutants.
there should've been other solo movies. But Magneto movie became First Class and FC became soft reboot of the franshize so that never happened. It could've been like Marvel - solo movies, team up movies, but Fox couldn't handle it. Gambit got lost in the production hell and New Mutants barely escaped the same fate. It pains to see such a potential lost.
The thing is, there are mutants that have the powers Rogue would need to become the Rogue we all know and love. Carol Danvers wouldn't really be needed. Heck you can have her absorb the powers of multiple mutants as a solution for a movie big bad and say it over loaded her system and now she's stuck with them.
I was thinking this. Movies frequently take liberties with origins and backstory in order to work in elements they want for the character. It wouldn't have been that hard.
Imagine a scene where she is traped with various mutants, they are all doomed to die because they cant really use their powers, too injured, weakened, something, and the vilains are pretty much going to win somewhere or bitting the shit out of their friends. So in a desperate attempt of saving everyone else, they all decide to sacrifice to rogue for her to cumulate their strenght and power, but she has to decide it. So she literaly go one after the others and kill them by absorbing their power and lives and fuck hell she can beat everyone asses after that especialy while beeing infuriated by the choices she was forced to make. If writed well, with good plots and all suchs things could be a master piece, while bringing X-men into a bit more darker and serious tone that many X-men comics have, this would have also been a really good starting point for a badass phoenix movie, as we could imagine that someone important to jean could have been in the mutant sacrifice or so. But, yeah rogue in the comics, while beeing cool with some interesting design and all, doesnt seems to be much of an interesting nor iconic character. To really shine in a movie, it would have required a really really good high quality script. And back in the day it was more film for entertainment that building something or telling a big story, while the first X-men was still interesting especialy thanks to the relation between the professor and magneto and the actor obviously, had a really good chemistry and great actors
Very true! I never understood why the filmmakers couldn’t just use a different character for Rogue to get the rest of her powers from. Since the movies changed a bunch of characters anyways, why not take one and make him/her the new person Rogue takes her new powers from?
She was a boring character in the Fox movies anyway. Literally a plot device on the first film, then relegated to a side character only important because Logan cares for her. Bryan Singer did her dirty.
I always thought that you could explain her powers after Last Stand. The cure did not react long term and actually made their mutation wilder. Explains how Magneto got his powers back and suddenly Rogue needs to cope with new abilites.
Oooh, that's actually plausible! Could get her partway there, and have her absorb powers from some mutant less "rights management issue" than Ms. Marvel, where the two sets work together to get her the basic Flying Brick build. ...dang it, now I want to go read PS238 again.
@@Arkylie Instead of just her powers returning, her DNA mistakenly remembers several powers she absorbed from generic mutants during a Danger Room session in act 1. It is a school for gifted youngsters after all.
Rogue (Anna Paquin) in the movies was like that of Jubilee in the 90s animated series. They introduced us to the X-Men, only to later have not much to do in future stories
A main character can do the introduction too, just like Luke Skywalker was used to introduce us to the force and the Jedi. Rogue could have easily been a main character in all 3 movies even without MS Marvel, she could have gotten similar powers from other mutants - it's not like there was a shortage of them. She could have gotten her superhuman strength from Sabertooth and her flying from Magneto who should have died in the first film - there are plenty of other villains left for the X-Men to fight.
They made Rogue's character basically have Jubilee's arc, because in the cartoons Jubilee was the new X-Men and was invited to the school and everything.
Her role as "the character who introduces use to the X-Men" is a good explanation of want happened to the character. Once the audience knew the cast and their abilities, her job was done.
He makes a great point about the difference between Movies and Tv adaptations. That is why I'd love to see X-Men go to Disney+. With such a large cast the only way to do them justice is to give them more time to develop more characters.
It's a real shame that there hasn't been a really proper X-men television series since the Fox animated show in the 90s. Now that Disney has the rights, maybe that will change when they are officially brought into the MCU.
Format wise, I think a lot of things could be borrowed from the Defenders series on Netflix when thinking about adapting Xmen on Disney+. Each character got at least one season that was a deep character study before they teamed up, and I would love to see that happen with my favorite Xmen.
Sending X-men to be a tv series is sidelining one of the greatest properties in comic books. Disney is going to milk the hell out of X-men. I’ll be bigger than The Avengers franchise. The shows will be saved for individual characters to explain what happens to a character or two in between movies.
The "Miss Marvel" copyright issues are honestly a cop-out if there ever was one. They're making a movie, they have complete artistic freedom - invent an evil mutant named "Wonderous" who can fly and is super strong. Let Rogue sap her powers to protect a loved one (maybe Wolverine) -> badabang badaboom, comic book Rogue. The other reasons you gave are completely valid, and maybe they had reasons to be apprehensive about a move like the one I proposed, but it is certainly not impossible to do so.
Namor the Submariner and Nova already have super strength, bullet resistant toughness, flying and speed so unless someone else has copyright use of those character and Marvel Entertainment corporation doesn't they could use them.
Rogue could have absorbed some of Juggernaut's power to have super strength and some of Jean Gray's telekinesis to fly so would not even need Miss Marvel for those powers.
They could have gone the Age of Apocalypse route. In that story she absorbs and kills Polaris (by her request). She then has powers like Magneto. But how she uses them makes her look like the regular 616 Rogue. They could have used Magneto as the reason she has those powers. I mean, she still has the white streaks in her hair that she got from him. Who’s to say she doesn’t have his powers and a bit of his bad boy personality also?
I have never read the comics but Rogue movie trajectory felt very realistic... She always saw her "power" as more of a curse than a blessing and she wanted to be normal again. Considering her power robbed her of normalcy is only natural she would strive for it again.
Rogue is my favourite female in the X-men. Loved Anna Paquin portrayal of Rogue. Personally, I would have given Anna/Rogue their own film, if I'd had my way.
Rogue doesn’t even work as the entry character in the first film because she’s not the one asking the question “what is this place?” That’s Wolverine, and it is to and through him that Xavier explains everything. Rogue is only the macguffin of the first film, an object Magneto needs to complete his plan and who the X-Men have to rescue.
yeah tbh, I feel like the best entry points though for X-Men are either Kitty Pryde or Jubilee, both of which this franchise slept on to an embarrassing degree
Jackman kind of proves that they rely too much on name recognition. Hale Berry should not have been storm. Marston wasn't a great cyclops. Famkhe was a good Jean, but as always Jean was a fainting flower till the badly translated dark pheonix. Jackman was amazing, hell even Fraiser was bad ass as Beast. Put in both the Colossus and Juggernaut from Deadpool 2, then sprinkle in a gambit (the one in origins was good despite the bad writing), give rogue an alien that has marvel powers to drain and go back to the Claremont stories. And never hire Lawrence to do a part ever again.
@@DarthPoyner The problem with Halle Berry wasn't anything on her part, it was because the movie didn't bother to try making serious use of Storm. She was reportedly very excited and eager to play Storm but then was stuck serving mostly as a background character who didn't do much.
I desperately wanted Rouge to be the person who ran the haven for mutants at the end of Logan. I felt like that would have put a perfect bow on the end of that storyline.
After rewatching the 90s FOX animated show, while getting prepared to watch X-Men 97, I found myself wondering why Jubilee's role in the animated got shifted to Rogue.
If I'm remembering correctly, Halle Berry wanted Storm to have a larger role in the 3rd and pushed hard for it and I believe that is actually the reason why Rogue's character was sort of tossed to the side. She's always been my favorite x-men, so it kills me how she was treated. I even got the Rogue cut because all I wanted was to see more of Rogue and Anna Paquin.
@@Bud_Jablonski always agreed with this. Also I bought it twice, first when it came out for the steel book and the rogue cut. Feel the rogue cut made more sense but felt shoehorned in very awkwardly.
@Lee Brown exactly my thoughts too. Rogue could absorb most mutants powers so it’d make sense if it was her DNA that was extracted to make up the Sentinels. Mystique could just copy. It even shows in the first Xmen that the mutant power she’d copy were not even half of the owner’s mutant powers’ full potential.
I didn't care that she couldn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, but she could have done a WHOLE LOT more in the X-2 and 3 films. They could have had her absorb Jean Grey's powers, or somehow help Mystique and reveal that storyline. So much was available, and as a admirer of Anna Paquin, having watched her act when I was a child, I was ecstatic to see her in there! I feel like they could have brought up the rivalry between her and Shadowcat, resulting in some power switching or getting lost in the astral plane, but I honestly feel like they let Shadowcat be her replacement, which made me unhappy.
A small part of me, still in love with the first X-Men movie, is somehow still waiting for the sequel that focuses on Rogue's character arc alongside Wolverine's... :-(
When Wolverine comes back for his dog tags. For them to make Wolverine such a big character they messed it up when they forgot how important Rogue was to him, their scenes together I just loved them, not in a romantic way but Wolverine was really fatherly towards her.
That was not the "blink and you'll miss it" Rogue scene, that was from the Rogue Cut. The "blink and you'll miss it scene" was after Wolverine wakes up in the new timeline, walks out of his room and briefly sees Rogue with Bobby just befire the camra turns to reveal Kelsey Grammer as Beast
@@cy6610 it does improve if you cared about the series. Also while everyone only mentions Rogue, the film actually added speaking parts to a bunch of the future mutants where they feel less like walking cameos/props but actual characters in this universe. Also an entire sequence with mystique is put back in that explains an often ignored plot hole and addresses the romantic subplot between her and beast established in first class. Extended sequences etc. The rogue cut is a subtle upgrade but honestly I can't watch the vanilla version now that I notice side characters like Storm never even speak and raven not being easily tracked I can't go back to that version. Its objectively a better film with all of the additions. It just might not be mind blowingly better like certain extended cuts. Tho I'd argue most people never have their opinions changed by extended cuts of things they've already experienced. Its often just treated with a quick hand wave. Most people who saw the vanilla versions of lord of the rings seem to be indifferent or not really in the mood for the extended 3 - 4 plus hour cuts. I tend to take issue with the fact I'm missing content like with terminator 2. The two scenes often missing in most presented cuts are deal breakers for me where I basically don't want to watch the film anymore. I'd rather people promote the rogue cut instead of downplay it. Because that's how you get so many people not knowing about it and it not getting a 4k remaster
They just made her Jubilee for a movie then trashed her I never read the comics much but I do know the Brother-sister relationship of Jubilee and Wolverine which seems like what they did here
@@Meowdab well she could still age in later movie and logan can fall in love with her when that time comes, i mean he literally fall in love with jean despite she is way younger than him and already has a boyfriend
They could've given her the powers without Danvers. Each movie she could've stole a power from someone else. Rouge was my favorite during the xmen chartoons as I was growing up so I would've loved to have seen her get a bigger role on the movies
Even without Ms Marvel’s powers, they could have done so much more with Rogue’s absorption power. It would have been so awesome if she had a power stealing sequence from multiple mutants. If there wasn’t scheduling conflicts for Anna Paquin with “True Blood”, the last stand on Alcatraz Island was the perfect opportunity for Rogue to do this.
I've always imagined how awesome it would be for Rogue to join the final battle in X3. Also, just gonna correct you that X3 was filmed in 2005 and True Blood was filmed in 2007 so definitely no conflict there.
Last stand suffered from having two huge at that time stars (Halle and Hugh) and tons of big ones + new characters. I think today it would've been 2 movies AT LEAST.
At the end of X1 she got the grey streaks in her hair after absorbing Magnetos power thats when she should have got the ability of flight, then in X3 they should have had her against Juggernaut and gaining his strength.
Like the one who like Scott and resents Jean Grey for being with him. "Ms. Popularity." "Whatcha got there PORCUPINE?" "Sometimes, I wish I could get closer to someone. But you know what happen when I do, right?"
Although I appreciate the detail you made the assessment with, but the reason Rogue didnt go anywhere in the movies is they chose the exact opposite girl to play her. She may be an award winner, but rogue was a totally different girl. Sassy, strong, country girl. Taller than average.
Clairmont’s catalyst for seeing the X-men through the eyes of a younger mutant was originally giving to the character Ariel, aka Sprite, aka Shadowcat, otherwise known as Kitty Pride. The character played by the Juno breakout star, Ellen Paige. Who was also the main focus in the story, Days of Future Past. It was Kitty Pride not Logan who actually went back in time from the future to the past to rewrite history. It was also a missed opportunity to see one of the most iconic scenes of that story, which was the total obliteration of all Wolverines flesh from a blast by a Sentinel. The first ever depiction for the death of Wolverine in a future that will obviously be eradicated by a new timeline once Kitty succeeds... One of main reasons the X-men movie franchise did not become bigger than the Avengers franchise is because they did not focus on the right character’s and did not utilize Wolverine the way Clairmont did in the comics. Also, they focused too much time on a character like Mystique, who was not actually an X-men in the first place… The cliché, the comics were better than the films definitely applies here… …
Exactly right. I was luke-warm to the x-men movies because they basically replaced Kitty Pride with a worthless Rogue, doing short shrift to two characters. It didn't improve. X2 did a hack job with my personal favorite Nightcrawler. His fight scenes were wicked, but the characterization was all wrong. At least not according to the Claremont run.
@@laravalentine7314 no just because she was sexually molested by all the Hollywood types and is now pretending she's a man, doesn't make her not a woman.
@@kikyamart8749 is because of people like you that there is so much hate in the world. Honestly, I feel sorry for you. I hope you manage to let go of that anger soon and become a better person. All the best! :-)
Imagine if one day we get an amazing live action Rogue flying around and punching things and when the heroes seem defeated she absorbs all their powers and saves the day. Honestly you could just say flight and strength are also her mutant powers. Or she absorbs another character's flight and strength.
Movies always have problems doing that like with hulk movies they either make them a weak joke or a character that has their same powers. I’m not saying they can’t but they always struggle with it. It’s also sometimes they have their powers stripped or something
Seeing Chris Evans as Johnny Storm in those Fantastic Four films is soooooo surreal. It really is like looking into a strange alternative reality; accept it actually happened!
if i had a nickel for every time a live action Johnny Storm actor got a second chance in a MCU film years later, i'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
She has no depth of character whatsoever. The character that Jennifer Lawrence gave us has a lot more depth and lot more character and you people keep bitching and moaning about it
@@wrestlinganime4life288 or they’d rather have a mutant that represents how hard living with powers can be instead of just an op character that takes the stakes and tension out of every fight
@@Captianmex1C0 As much as I love Keanu, his build is too slight, and he's far too soft spoken to fill that role. I mean, with the right training and filming you can literally make anyone an assassin- you have to focus on physical characteristics to nail an iconic comic book character. Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston are examples of this - if you switched the two, it just wouldn't work - regardless of their acting abilities.
Man, this one was a disappointment. Rogue was my favorite character, and I was super excited to see her as thenmain character in the first movie. But there were so many red flags in the script. Her personality was completely destroyed in the writing, it didn't even feel like rogue. But I let it go thinking her character would grow more into herself as she connects with everyone in later films... but she was almost completely erased. Then the franchise simply became Wolverine and nothing more. Scott is my least favorite character, and even I felt upset at the level of disrespect the writers gave him. I mean.. killed? In the first 5 minutes?! Why?! I never had much of an opinion of Wolverine before, but after seeing the franchise put him in a pedestal, I am sick of him. I don't even bother with X-Men anymore. I roll my eyes with every cameo that character makes in marvel movies. I stopped watching after the Jean became Phoenix. Producers need to stop making artistic decisions. They ruin their money banks so much.
One thing Kevin Feige taught us is creatives should be making creative decisions, not the accountants. Somehow this concept is incredibly difficult to learn for other studios.
I know I was so excited to see the live action movies when I was a kid because she was my absolute favorite! Needless to say I was super disappointed and became a Jean hater 💀
Rogue was one of my favorite and most memorable characters in the Saturday morning X-Men cartoons. It’s a shame they only focused on her initially and left her behind. WHY??? She’s the most badass mutant along with Gambit.
The whole "Rogue couldn't fly because Fox didn't have the rights to Captain Marvel" is b.s. They could've made her absorb similar powers with some generic mutant. Rogue was never actually Rogue in the movies. She was Shadowcat/Jubilee with Rogue's powers. Hell, she didn't even have a Southern accent. There was no Gambit for her to work with. They only made her Rogue because her powers fit Magneto's plot in the first movie. Otherwise, this would've usually been the role or Shadowcat/Jubilee.
Rogue has always been my favorite mutant. I was so disappointed how she was handled in the movies but I absolutely loved her character arc in X-Men Evolution, most specifically the first season. The uncertainty of who to trust while constantly being thrust into the various situations that went on around her and then finally learning the truth was the best.
7:54 that should be "Hicks", played by Michael Biehn. "Reese" is Biehn's character in Terminator (also directed by James Cameron and with Bill Paxton) i guess the equivalent mistake from more recent era would be mistaking christopher lee as saruman vs. as count dooku
Rogue was one of my favorite characters, both in the comics and in the 90s tv show, as well as the movies. I was so disheartened to see her completely cut from the new films. But shout out to her cameo in the Deadpool game. Absolutely nailed her character.
Thank you, I've always wondered this ever since I watched the 2000s X-Men franchise. I mean it just felt like there's so much more Rouge for us to see. I mean the ending with Rouge getting the cure is like killing her character forever.
To be fair they do imply with Magneto's last scene that the cure didn't work. So they could have gone on and had everyone that took it get their powers back. When I first saw 3 I thought that was exactly the direction they'd go.
I was soooooo pissed at how they treated Rogue- the story arc where Rogue gets her super strength and ability to fly would have made a great movie with real depth of character.
I really hope the MCU will dial back the presence of Wolverine, while we can all agree that Wolverine is a dope character, the heavy focus that Fox put on him made every other character in the movies forgettable and killed certain character's potential like Rogue's.
Yeah, if Marvel Studios really wants to differentiate from the FoX-Men franchise, first of all, focus more on Cyclops, Storm, Rogue and the others that got overshadowed by Logan, Xavier, Magneto and Mystique.
Yeah, Cyclops really got the shaft. Here's literally the first X-man and he's basically deleted from the film series with each passing film. I get it, Hugh did wonderful as Wolverine but that totally doesn't excuse them making most X-men characters that are actually pivotal in the comics basically bloated cameos.
@@walker1984 Yep, I agree 100%, there's no reason that a character like Cyclops, who has a deep and important history with the X-Men, should've been as forgettable as he was.
They could have still had rogue get stronger by having her overcome her fears. Rogue having full control of her powers is just as great than getting super strength and flight. Oh well.
I was a teenager reader of the X-Men when Rogue debuted. Though I stopped collecting comics in my early 20s, I wanted to see how my Marvel favorites portrayed in film with contemporary special effects. I kept expecting Rogue to be a major character in the films. And I was expecting her to have a strong Southern accent like the comics too.
If they really wanted to "Power Up" Rogue; all they had to do was create a mutant (or use an existing one) that can fly (Northstar), or has super strength (Colossus), etc and Have Rogue graph off of them. It's a simple solution that producers had to have been aware of, and chose not to do for whatever reason.
I don't think they truly needed Ms Marvel to make Rogue more powerful at all... If that was the case, they could get Shiar's Gladiator or some unnamed character with the same powers. But that would require more and better stunts than those they had (which we can see in Magneto or Storm flight sequences). It was a choice from producers to adjust the movie and cast to their needs and capabilities.
If there is one thing that give's me hope to see Rogue, Gambit, and all the X-Men is Kevin Feige. He has all the pieces to make Rogue work the way she should. And I really do think if she was the front running character of the X-men in the MCU It would be amazing to see her power up! I think there will be a time when that happens and the more Marvel works on it and sets it up the better.
Maybe if Rogue was more of the sassy southern belle bombshell she was in the comics that would have compelled them to do more with her. As it were, Anna Paquin portrayed Rogue as more Kitty Pryde, through both looks and demeanor, than Rogue.
Paquin’s performance and characterization also had a huge impact on less Rogue. XMen Evolution proved she doesn’t need Ms Marvel powers to be awesome and a heavy hitter on the team
Nope & Wrong! As much as I like Rogue in the X-Men movies, THAT WASN'T ROGUE!.. They destroyed and disrespected this character big time. So please don't sit there and act as if this garbage is on and acceptable. This is why we have problems when good stories in movies because some of y'all just accepted any rubbish on screen. This was a disgrace, disrespectful and disgusting. There was no Rogue in this franchise.
Before the MCU, female characters were underwritten and that’s an understatement and if these females were a minority, they were for the most part, not written at all. So to be totally fair and honest, the Rogue storyline in the first x-men was actually Jubilee’s who is merely an extra in the franchise. I love Anna Paquin but she never got star power like her co-stars who became more and more famous after each entry and Fox really only cared about making money, not telling a story.
This is especially the case with Jean in the first 3 films. Compare the first 3 Fox flims compared to say X Men 97, and the women have far more agency in the plot and badass moments.
Thank you very much! I have said for years that one of the reasons we have a huge Marvel cinematic universe today, is because of Blade! Blade showed the world that you can take a Marvel character and not make them ridiculous or campy. The world saw what comic book heroes could be and we wanted more! Blade was the catalyst for what we have today in Marvel and that cannot be denied! And, according to the Eternals post-credit scene, it looks like he is back! I sincerely hope that Wesley Snipes has some kind of character in this reboot of sorts. Marvel Studios owes Snipes a great deal! Thank you again for acknowledging the importance of Blade to Marvel's success today.
Right! I liked the pre-MCU Marvel movies. Blade was badass, Hellboy was good too (at least the first movie was). I even liked the Edward Norton Hulk movie. Toby McGuire's Spider-Man was really good too, I thought. MCU did a very good job with Avengers and Iron Man but that's about it. Everything out of Hollywood today is so Woke that nothing is worth the time or money. Entertainment has ceased being entertaining.
Rogue deserved better.
I agree!
She was extremely powerful in the animated show, they made her a whiny wuss in the movies.
@@deekaneable In the Evolution series the first season had an arc around Rouge as well.
Agree specially how they “Ended” her story in X Men 3 The Last Stand. But Luckily they Retconned that in Days Of Future Past
You should watch The X-Men 90s Cartoon. It has a much better portrayal of Rogue.
At least Rogue got a slow fade to obscurity in the movies. Nightcrawler plays a huge part in X2, then just disappears, and Gambit didn't even make the cut.
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men. At least they gave every single character more screen-time and character-development. Even Jean Grey was already an established bad-ass in X-Men: Evolution and she didn't even need to have the Phoenix Force in that show.
@@xgray2012 XME was a vastly underrated show. Nobody seems to talk about it.
I'm still baffled as to why Gambit never had a real role in the movies, when he was such a fan favorite character. Sure, he was briefly in the first Wolverine movie, which flopped, but there's no reason they couldn't have reintroduced him later.
@@jasonblalock4429 he's definitely gonna be in the Marvel ones.
The actor who played nightcrawler quit because of the make up
Rogue's powers are pretty scary, but her getting over her fear and learning to accept herself is what made her a great character, both in the comics and cartoons. To see Rogue Not grow past her fear to the point where she got herself cured was a gigantic downgrade.
“I caint kiss ma boyfriend” is literally her only struggle in these movies and it makes me so mad.
Agreed. Rogue is a deep and tragic character who evolved into a badass in the comics.
@@movieblocks9164 that's not valid? It's a pretty big one. Also, you have a lot of mutants who are objectively terrible people, which makes them a hard group to integrate into.
Her power is one of the greatest and the most cursed, which is why it’s interesting.
Even the animated shows de-powered her, or at least took away the power she got from Carol Danvers.
Not having access to her full power set, nor the psychological aspects that came with it really hurt. They needed Carol Danvers for that.
Rogue should have been in the role Mystique had in DOFP. Mystique can alter her appearance, but is unable to copy the powers of another mutant. The sentinels needed Rogue's DNA to be what they were in the movie. It didn't make sense that just copying an appearance was enough to defeat the X-Men with their own powers.
Lmao right, I have never thought about this before lol
Finally, someone who gets it. I've been saying this forever and while I've convinced my friends, a lot of people are just like "eh, w/e"
Problem is that Rogue wasn’t even born in 1973…
Well, the whole Mystique thing was a mirror of what happened with Jackman in the first trilogy. They lucked into casting Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique right before she became a megastar, so it was basically inevitable that she would be given the spotlight in future movies.
@@WimpyKelv12 of course. But the powers of the sentinels being attributed to only Mystique's DNA is the real plot hole.
Rogue was the reason I fell in love with X men animated series. Rogue can do so much even without Ms America. Imagine, she absorbs powers, and masters it, tuning. the powers by herself. Healing of Wolverine, mixed with Professor X's capabilities. She can be unbeatable.
Her powers are temporarly Omega level or at least Gamma level? Mastered of course. Like SSJ.
Flying too & super strength ❤
Same here, she became my favorite character immediately.
In X-Treme X-Men she's so OP it's scary....
Rogue WOULD win a Ms America pageant
What about Cyclops, the leader of the X-Men? He has very few to say and do in the movies, gets killed of in X3 within the first 15 minutes while wining. No arc but 'in love with Jean Grey'.
Cyclops got so disrespected in the movies
That’s cause cyclops sucks. He’s a pansy and 90% of xmen fans don’t like him. The only thing he has ever been good for is his banter with Wolverine.
cyclops was pretty much hated everywhere. the only place that actually made people genuinely care for him was the marvel vs series made by capcom where he was actually a pretty decent shoto fighter. but in the comics as well as the movies, he was pretty much hated as the boring no personality guy who stole crap from star trek.
Agreed with the other comments. Cyclops sucks. Simple.
(though the killing of him in X3 was something to do with the actor getting a different movie commitment, if I remember correctly?)
The movies couldn't do the cyclops, jean grey and wolverine love triangle justice and the Phoenix plot was rushed. Also, imo cyclops was unbearably winy in the first movie and would have been hard to watch if they continued to portray him that way.
The fact that they could have just let Rogue absorb even just a fraction of Phoenix's powers to give her that flight ability and drain Juggernaut to a pulp so she can gain her super strength. But FOX was really focusing more on Wolverine cos he's popular among the masses. They also nerfed Storm so much just to make sure that Wolverine and Mystique are the main stars of the movie.
Comic Storm: Can kill you with just the wind and air itself. Movie Storm: Provides a nice gentle breeze for you while you fight.
Agreed guys.
If they just followed the source material things would have been much better
Thank God, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that saw how nerfed Storm was in the films. I also wasn't really crazy about the actresses that play both her & Rogue (I don't hate the actresses I just don't think they were best suited for those roles).
Jennifer Lawrence was popular in other movies so why they used her. Rogue did not look enough like comic version of Rogue then again Wolverine did not either as in comics was short. However Hugh Jackman popular in other movies so they use him more.
Rogue really does deserve better. I grew up on the 80s/90s comics. Rogue was and is still my favorite X-Men. Thank you for giving her a little spotlight. Even if it is about how she was loosing hers.
My favorite to. Especially in the old X-Men cartoon from the 90s.
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men because you actually get to see more of Rogue growing as a character than you do with the movies.
@@robertnason1494 You know there is also X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men, right?! They actually get to see more screen-time and character-growth for Rogue than the actual movies did.
She was my favorite too. I feel like her being so damn powerful made it really tough to write for her. Think about it, she can literally rob mutants of their powers just by touching them. How do you write a balanced story around that?
@@joetroyner Read anything featuring Rogue written by Chris Claremont. You'll have your answer.
Scheduling issues was another reason Rogues role was reduced. The actress Anna Paquin was doing her True Blood series and other projects and they only had her for a very short period for shooting.
True Blood wasn’t on til 2008ish.
Recast the actor darn it. Lol
@@cindym5896no thanks youd need a reboot
@@One21Jiggawatts Yep and it was off air before Days of Future Past
To begin with, it never should've been her.
Rogue was supposed to be a 10.
Rogue was such an interesting character. Like, she had a villianous powers but still tried to be a hero
Her and Gambit were the most memorable mutants from the Saturday morning cartoons, but the least recognized in the movies, sadly.
Rogue is the reason why I wanted my hair to turn grey the same way hers is
@@MentalThingsIsScary just dye part of your hair white
@@jezebulls your comment is truth beyond truth
@@Jmgjgdjd5 theres no white dye for hair, you have to bleach it to white. which is so damaging to your hair especially if your natural hair is brunette like rogue or even darker 💀 speaking from experience, sadly. my hair is black and it was horribly damaged only to get a platinum blonde, nevermind white
A tiny change to X3 could've had Rogue refuse the cure, join the team for the Last Stand, save Kitty from Juggernaut by holding onto him for a little too long. Absorbing his powers permanently. Character growth AND super strength!
omg I love that idea!⭐️⭐️⭐️ That could’ve totally worked! Plus in the Fox universe Juggernaut is a mutant and not magical so she absolutely could’ve stolen his super-strength. Missed opportunity. But good thinking on your part! 👍🏽
Unfortunately that doesn't work unless they completely alter juggernaut. So far as I remember they never tried to explain his powers in the movies which leads me to assume they kept the crystal being the source. I don't remember an instance in the comics of rogue being shown sapping him. Beating the absolute crap out of him yes but sapping him I don't think so. Though I could be wrong.
@@dungeonmonger well the original timeline X-men movies basically kept out all other forms of mysticism and even space powers where even the Phoenix was just Jean's repressed powers/personality (still haven't watched Dark Phoenix so i don't know if it is different in the new timeline), so the assumption of X3 Juggernaut being "just a Mutant" is a pretty safe bet.
But juggernaut isn't mutant, his powers came from cyttorak's ruby
@@camil3545 yep that’s what I meant
Rogue callin people "suga" and "darlin" is just too powerful
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I just realised watching this that they are the same actress. i feel dirty now ...
And that raspy voice!!!
@@swatkasham5509 country girl
Rogue my favorite female comic character
I can't imagine her being missing from Days of Future Past wasn't influenced by the actress being busy wrapping up "True Blood" around the same time. It probably was why her role was so 'self contained' and didn't contribute to the main action, to quote articles describing why it was cut - she was only available on a limited basis, so they had to design her role around her availability, and it ended up getting cut.
Im annoyed to find this out. She wasnt a good fit 4 rogue aswell. They shudv just recast her , n done the role justice.
@@cindym5896 She acted more like Rogue personality wise in True Blood. Always felt she wasn't "country" enough in the X-Men films.
Rouge is underrated in general. She was a minor villain of limited power who gained a classic Superman-style powerset by almost destroying a major heroine, and she _turned good in the process._ That is an amazing character arc. You could base an entire storyline on just that.
This!
@@derekcreative2811: Absolutely! Claremont's BEST work was on Rogue; from her 1st appearance in Avengers Annual #10 'til he left the title. The hi-point was '83-84. Just: WOW!
They could have saved the MCU if they used her original story arc and got rid of captain marvel.
@@ithamarlowe6158absolutely!
@@ithamarlowe6158Well Captain Marvel doesn't need to be rid of lol. That's not how the comics work.
And I've always had to say to people it was NEVER Anna Paquin's fault. This video confirms it. She's a phenomenal actress, but unfortunately was given so little to work with. Would've loved to see how better writers - NOT obsessed with Jackman's Wolverine - would've worked with her.
Thank you! People always blamed Anna and Halle for the material. It’s ridiculous how they gave them so much shit instead of the people behind the scenes
I think you are missing the fact that both these actresses “sullied” their personas with their high profile nudity. Studios can’t make a wholesome superhero when you can google their titties.
@@jsmrt6875 Definitely not the case. If it were, then they would've just been replaced. Anna Paquin's Rogue was downplayed long before 'True Blood' and Halle Berry's Storm was downplayed before 'Swordfish' (2001) - hell, she played a fucking crackhead in 'Jungle Fever'. A CRACKHEAD. Again, just like the video says, it was FOX wanting to push Wolverine because they thought it's what the audience wanted to see.
I would argue that the writers are primarily at fault, but I would also add that neither actress brought anything to the table. These were both lifeless and dull performances IMO.
Nobody has played Storm better than Halle Berry, and nobody has played Rogue better than her voice artist in the animated series.
Given that they are the two most powerful fems in the Marvel Universe; more powerful than Thor and Supergirl / Ms. Marvel respectively (until the movie version of Carol Danvers), this is less than a tragedy, it's filmmakers at their stupidest.
Both characters could have had movies made about them, and ended with them being dragooned into the X-Men, pleasing both feminists and sexists. ;-)
Rogue and Gambit have always been my two favorite X-Men, and I just can't get into the movies without them.
1st is nostalgic but the rest.. maybe future past.
I'm sad Channing Tatums Gambit movie didn't get made he seems so passionate about the Gambit character id love to see Channing Tatum get to make that movie someday everything I've heard about the Gambit movie script sounds really cool a Rated R mutant Goodfellas movie set in New Orleans in the Deadpool side of the Fox X-Men movies universe is so unique and interesting to me I want to see that solo Gambit movie before he becomes a member of the X-MEN
Rogue/Gambit movie when
Also my favs. They didn't do right by them
Really enjoyed the "Rogue & Gambit" mini series followed up by "Mr. & Mrs. X." They'd make an interesting couple in a TV series if I trusted Disney at all to not ruin it.
Rogue was always my favorite Mutant because of the potential in her powers. She can be a threat in almost any situation. Like is said in one of the X-Men animated series "My power is your power, and I can have more than one". The potential combinations of powers and how they might interact always fascinated me. Also how would she deal with the almost uncontrollable powers of a mutant like Cyclops when even over a lifetime the best he can do is control it with mechanical help. So much missed potential in the movies with Rogue.
Excellent comment. Her powers are vastly complicated.
I want to see her as the omega level mutant she is. They are wasting her potential.
She had Cyclops' powers in the 90's animated series. She closed her eyes 😂
Exactly. Like one of the ep in the xmen animated. She can be very powerful, but the consequence was her losing control of all the personalities she absorbed. It would have been interesting if she got her villain arc.
One of the most powerful mutants, it is so disappointing indeed.
"How could she end up with less screen time than Mystique?"
There's nothing like showing up to a party & getting outshined by your own mother.
Your nudist mother at that.
@Lee Brown imo thank the original actress cus i kinda liked her a bit more idk :3
Doesn't help when your mother shows up to the party practically naked.
tbh, it's way easier to make a confident shape shifting femme fatale look badass on screen than someone who cannot touch anyone without hurting them. not to say the latter cannot be done, just requires much better writing.
@@TheOystei Rogue can be badass if they find a way to make her with super strength and being able to fly. Even though they don't have Carol Danvers character right so they can't let Rogue absorb her powers permanently like comics, but come on, there got to be a way.
They couldn't handle Rogue but they didn't have to make her look almost completely useless in the movies
That's why we have the 1992 X-Men animated series, X-Men: Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men. At least they gave every single character more screen-time and character-development. Even Jean Grey was already an established bad-ass in X-Men: Evolution and she didn't even need to have the Phoenix Force in that show.
@@xgray2012 yes! I love how all the animated versions of her are all very different, but I love them all (also that in only 1 of the 3 she has flight/super strength but the other 2 still managed successfully to keep her as a main character)
@@xgray2012 the 90's X-men show did not do jean justice
@@emanthescripter1076 Neither the original X-Men comic books. So, what's your point?!
@@demonfromhell2022 Not really. Supergirl is Kryptonian.
You know how we could solve that? They could've made her absorb the Phoenix's powers on X3. She'd be a main plot point on saving Jean Gray and could finally get her super abilities.
True but Hollywood's obsessed with having white male heroes as the main character.
Even in days of future past, it was supposed to be kitty who goes into the past but because hugh jackman is more popular then he went.
Iron man 3 was supposed to have a female villain but sexism so nope. It's only in the last few years that even the mcu finally made movies and shows with non white male main characters as the title hero.
@@Norixciii Very true
@@schmallboi9282 meh, it's true.
My thoughts exactly. I honestly thought her going into the clinic was a fake out so the audience would be surprised when she shows up at the final battle & sucks the bad out of Phoenix.
@@Norixciii you're ridiculous...Marvel is destroying itself as we speak. Literally nobody cares about Phase 4. Precisely bc of the BS Feminist crap you're spouting right now
I didn't even know she had a cameo in days of future past i must have blinked at that part
There was a version of the movie called “rogue cut” which is just the same movie extended with the main addition of rogue and giving the future cast more to do
@@nightwish1453 Only recently learned of its existence myself, and now I *need* to own a copy of it.
@@GreyhawkTheAngry It's the version UA-cam has.
@@archlinuxuserI bought it off the PlayStation market years ago
RIP Rogue and Gambit. 2 of my faves from the comic and the X Men cartoon.
I heard one of them had a crush on the other
to me in the films wolverine was her gambit in a way but they failed to do it to do her and iceloser.
In the comics they got married and had their own series called Mr and Mrs. X so there is that at least.
@@ComeOnBunny wait what????????????????? really????????????????? oh i am sooo happy!!!!!! i never got into the comics only the cartoons x-men and x-men evolution and they were canon in both of those so i was gutted with the films!!!!! ps my head canon with x-men evolution is kitty ends up with lance so really didnt like the love triangle they tried to do!!! Q.Q
@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 Hugh Jackman and Anna Paquin playing a couple in X-Men? No way, they bonded in a father daughter way and it was perfect in the first movie.
Man, those X-Men comic covers made me nostalgic. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and I loved the X-Men comics of that time period.
My dad was a huge X-Men fan too!
@@timtam3730 oof. You had to go right to the dad comparison, huh?
@@bennygerow So? I love my dad!
I'm a dad that grew up in the 80's and 90's. Loved them then and now. I read some of the more kid appropriate issues from my collection to my daughter's now. One day we'll get to my favorite arc, but since it's Age of Apocalypse, it's gonna have to wait a bit.
@@xerothedarkstar incidentally I’m a dad too, and Age of Apocalypse was one of my favorite arcs (if not the favorite). I introduced my kids to my Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War comics after we watched the movies, still have to get them into X-Men though.
They always could have made up a character so Rogue could get her powers, like "Miss Schmarvel"
They could have called her "Ms Fox"
An X-Men movie that focuses on origin stories of Rogue and Gambit, and they're special bond, would be epic. Loved when Gambit used to call Rogue "Cheré"...
*their
I grew up on the animated series. Rogue was awesome on there with her accent, sassy comebacks, and impulsive smarts. Quite a contrast to the more seemingly level headed leader-types who always seem to get in their own way.
And Sexy Ass.
I re-watched some of those. Wow. Talk about REALLY deep for a Saturday morning cartoon. I loved them
My exact thoughts!! Rogue was the most badass mutant on the Saturday morning cartoon. Her and Gambit were the most memorable, but the least recognized in the movies.
@@jezebulls EXACTLY! My two favorites from the cartoon, were Rogue and Gambit... they had a coolness about them, and the best accents. I liked that Gambit used to call her "Cheré". They had a special chemistry too.
I was in love of her and I was jealous of the douchebag Gambit lol
I always felt that Last Stand had set up the perfect opportunity for Rogue to be the secret weapon that defeats Dark Phoenix & in so doing gains her additional powers. When it was revealed that she’s gone through with the treatment I felt so let down.
Rogue couldn't absorb the Phoenix unless the Phoenix allowed her to become it's host. Phoenix is the Guardian of all creation after all and that includes Rogue.
@@galanakagalactus903 Yeah but she would have also been absorbing Jean who was the host, she can't absorb one without the other and since they wanted to fade her out it would have actually been the best story to have her survive long enough to pull the phoenix out of Jean. It would have been just as heart breaking and even more so than having Wolverine kill Jean because Wolverine and Rogue always had this father daughter bond.
Except the treatment wasn’t enough for full eradication of the mutant x gene.
As shown at the end of the film, when Magneto, who had been shot with the ‘cure’, inched a metal chess piece.
Granted, my mom still pointed out it’s massive benefit. It could essentially be like a mutant condom, for Mutants who’s abilities endanger their love ones, especially during intimacy.
@@galanakagalactus903 In the movies the Phoenix was basically just an alternate personality of Jean, was not some big cosmic force. Don't know if that was changed in the most recent movie, but in X3 that is all that Phoenix was. Just Jean cutting loose with her powers.
I think they would have to recast the one playing Rogue as I don't think she is enough to headline a movie though movies focusing on Jean/Phoenix seems to not perform well. This also somewhat applies to the recent cartoon that got axed.
Rogue is so powerful she used her abilities to get out of a failed franchise
The X-men movies should have been called 'Wolverine and Friends' parts 1 through 6.
🤣🤣🤣
they did ditch Logan for the last 2 films, which ended up being arguably the worst of the bunch.
@@spinyslasher6586 proving what the original makers of the series understood and also showing why rogue isnt showcased .. not all superheroes make for more than a single good story, that if repeated is a dead end (superman -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat -> kryptonite threat) .. the superhero must be both tough and vulnerable at the same time but of all the x-men, which ones are tough? even a car accident is likely to kill rogue, cyclops, etc.., etc.. not gonna make a blockbuster about fragile people doing things that are even unbelievable within the fictional universe
@@styleisaweapon yeah that's why X-men is a team and not a single entity, to make up for each others weaknesses.
i really hope when the X-Men join them MCU we get a lot more focus on other men than always just wolverine
I was so disappointed we never saw rogue get her super strength and flying ability. Hopefully Marvel will do her justice.
she can have her own movie and will be played Sandra Bullock or Emily Blunt.
same
AND they have access to Carol Danvers this time so they can follow through with Rouge's comic progression.
@@StonedHunter yep
@@StonedHunter Won't happen. Danvers can't be beat in the current universe. Because of all the hype and expectation they put on her. Though they seem to be realizing she can't hold her own show.
It's almost like X-Men would function better as a serialized show (like a Disney + series) instead of a movie series.
i agree, i don't think the films can do justice to such a vast catalogue of characters and storylines, a show would be better
@@marsbars6869 They could make smaller Disney + tv series focused on individual character.
E.g... a cyclops series , storm series e.t.c...
Which end up with Prof X finding them and a team up movie like a Avengers film.
This allows them to get right in the action for the movies since all the character stuff is already there form the individual tv series which could be anywhere from 4 to 8 hour-long episodes.
Yes. With just the visual quality the disney did with thier Marvel Series, X-men would do just fine even without big screen adaptations (but will still be grateful if they do)
Perhaps. But what if Feige got to them first? Impossible, yes. But giving them the "Avengers treatment" by giving them 10 years of stories on the big screen with stand alone films and team ups, you mean to tell me the world wouldn't be mutant crazy? Yeah. It would have been epic. They're impact will be felt soon, but it will never get what it truly deserves. It was the X-Men that kept Marvel Comics afloat in the 90's. It was the X-Men that was the reason that the Avengers are even a "thing" now, because the selling the X-Men rights to fox. No one was really reading Avengers Comics like that. They were the "B team" compared to the X-Men. It's funny how people forgot that fact. Fox ruined everyone's view of the X-Men with all those crappy movies. No wonder many movie goers are not excited about them. If I was a casual movie goer I wouldn't care less about them. How many times can you get burned? It should have been the X-Men from the jump. What could have been.
It's almost like anyone but Fox could make better X-Men movies.
Recently started watching the x men animated series due to x men 97 being released. It’s such a shame about rogue, she very quickly became my favourite character.
They made mystique the character rogue should’ve been
And i kindve like it that way tbh rouge just didn't do it for me
@@DeadPizza I actually agree. It was the actresses IMO. I'm fine with Paquin. But she's better at playing the shy, quiet type. She's not really lead woman charismatic.
Rebecca Romijn on the other hand is amazing. Talented, charismatic, and can carry any scene you put her in. She stole the show. It only made sense to have her to take on the role that would have otherwise been rogue's.
Rogue was likeable because she was relatable for some people. But I found Paquin to be kind of cardboard-ish in the role.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124
Um no
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Thought the same. Mainly an issue with the writing though, this go at Rogue was to be neutral mask for the audience similar to the twilight girl. Intentionally written to be bland and relatable.
I think Rebecca Romijn would have been wasted in a bland/relatable role.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 what she wasn’t even really a part of the series when mystique became a leader. In those first 3ish movies she talked like 2 times then when they got Lawrence they decided to make her a hero
Making her pretty much Kitty Pyrde in both personality and character arch, but with Rogue's power set that is what killed it for me.
And making Kitty Pryde an even worse version of Kitty Pryde
I disagree. I don't think the problem with Rogue was a result of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine eclipsing the other characters around him. Xavier and Magneto were able to hold their own just fine. It also doesn't make sense that Wolverine's popularity as a character would have damaged Rogue - the Logan and Marie dynamic established in the first film was actually a favourite of many fans. Some were shipping it, but most simply liked seeing these two characters together. They played well off each other. The runaway and the man running from himself. They were both, to a degree, afraid of themselves, and helped each other work through those fears. We could have had some really great character stuff between them.
The issue is that the X-Men movies didn't know how to handle their female characters. They have all these incredible strong women, and over the course of the three movies, pretty much every one of them gets whittled down and diminished, if they ever get the chance to shine at all. Storm is practically set dressing. (Another waste of an Oscar-winning actress, and a character who has so much more to offer in the comics.) Kitty Pryde's role basically amounts to babysitting and boyfriend drama. Rogue gives up her powers for a high school boy who had his head turned once already - which is such a poor place to take her character, compared to the comics, that it almost feels like Singer had a personal vendetta against her. Mystique ALSO becomes this sad, powerless version of herself (why does it feel like I'm sensing a theme here?) and Jean is pretty much the epitome of this trope. Trapped in another love triangle, loses all sense of herself, and eventually needs to be put down by Logan for the greater good. We could have had a storyline about Jean learning how to retake control from the Phoenix. We could have actually seen her grapple with the aftermath of having killed the man she loves. We could have had something like Wandavision. It's possible the experience would even have changed Jean, and taken her relationship with Logan in new and interesting directions.
But we didn't get any of that, because the X franchise just didn't care that much about its female characters. In the end, that's also what doomed Rogue.
What makes it frustrating is how easy it was to fix. A better ending for all these characters was right there for the taking, but it seems like no-one even cared to try.
So what if Miss Marvel granted Rogue her powers in the comics? The movies were already playing fast and loose with canon anyway. Why not have Rogue take on some of the Phoenix's powers? This would have saved Jean and given Rogue (our intro character from movie one) a hero moment in the big finale of movie three. Imagine a scene where she tells the struggling Jean that she gets it. She understands how it feels to be afraid of yourself. To hate yourself for what you've done to the people you care about. But you can't shut yourself off from the world. You can't give up. A good friend taught her that. * looks at Logan * Sometimes you have to let other people in, and let them help you. She holds out her hand, and Jean takes it. The transfer of power is too overwhelming and almost kills her, but Logan steps in to pull them apart. How could he not? They're the two people he loves most in the world. The excess energy gets channelled into Logan, killing him and saving them. He resurrects, after a long period of seeming almost dead for real, and Jean and Marie are left with a version of the Phoenix powers they can live with. Moral of the story: the X-Men need each other, and life is always worth choosing over death, even when life feels unbearable. This would have been much closer to the mission statement of the first movie, and would have been a much more satisfying outcome for the characters, compared to the bullshit misery of The Last Stand.
(Lol. How does thinking about The Last Stand still piss me off so much, even now?)
Wow, you're really good at writing. This takes liberties but treats the characters like people & keeps to the main ideas behind their stories. I much prefer this version.
Brilliant! I would watch the heck out of this.
Now this is a movie version I'll pay double to watch 😍
I haven't read any comics ( yet) and I only know X-men from the movies and some fanfictions. I have to say, I really like your version of the last stand. I didn't really hate it, but then again, I wasn't aware what it should have been. I have to say though, I really hate what they've done with the Dark Pheonix. I hate it with a passion. The already ruined Jean once, and they did a terrible job with origins, but I thought they fixed all that with days of future past.
But no, they just wanted to reset the timeline so they could ruine them another time.
You nailed it. The Rogue/Wolverine dynamic was amazing and almost a beta version of what was his relationship with X-23. It was built up so well in the first film, I was so sad they just dropped it like that. So much wasted potential all around.
I remember a book based on Rogue with her thinking about the stories future Kitty told about the reality of Days of Future Past. She commented that she wasn't even mentioned and could have been dead in an alley somewhere for all she knew. At least that was an attempt to retcon a story made before she was on the team.
They really wasted Anna Paquin’s potential as the Rogue from the 90’s animated series. I can literally see her doing justice to it.
Because people hated her version of Rogue, I feel bad for Anna Paquin...
@@RealRoboKnight The sad thing is, Rogue doesn't even need the Ms Marvel powers to be cool. Look at the Rogue in "X-Men Evolution".
I kind of like the idea of allowing different characters to take the spotlight in each movie... but that's not what they did. They pretty much did Wolverine and the X-Men. I really like Hugh Jackmans performance as Wolverine, but giving him 3 solo movies and make 2 of the team movies revolve mostly around him is too much for a franchise that was actually meant to be about a team of mutants.
THIS
there should've been other solo movies. But Magneto movie became First Class and FC became soft reboot of the franshize so that never happened. It could've been like Marvel - solo movies, team up movies, but Fox couldn't handle it. Gambit got lost in the production hell and New Mutants barely escaped the same fate. It pains to see such a potential lost.
The thing is, there are mutants that have the powers Rogue would need to become the Rogue we all know and love. Carol Danvers wouldn't really be needed. Heck you can have her absorb the powers of multiple mutants as a solution for a movie big bad and say it over loaded her system and now she's stuck with them.
I was thinking this. Movies frequently take liberties with origins and backstory in order to work in elements they want for the character. It wouldn't have been that hard.
@@jakerockznoodles and it would have side stepped any licensing issues with Danvers
Imagine a scene where she is traped with various mutants, they are all doomed to die because they cant really use their powers, too injured, weakened, something, and the vilains are pretty much going to win somewhere or bitting the shit out of their friends.
So in a desperate attempt of saving everyone else, they all decide to sacrifice to rogue for her to cumulate their strenght and power, but she has to decide it. So she literaly go one after the others and kill them by absorbing their power and lives and fuck hell she can beat everyone asses after that especialy while beeing infuriated by the choices she was forced to make.
If writed well, with good plots and all suchs things could be a master piece, while bringing X-men into a bit more darker and serious tone that many X-men comics have, this would have also been a really good starting point for a badass phoenix movie, as we could imagine that someone important to jean could have been in the mutant sacrifice or so.
But, yeah rogue in the comics, while beeing cool with some interesting design and all, doesnt seems to be much of an interesting nor iconic character. To really shine in a movie, it would have required a really really good high quality script.
And back in the day it was more film for entertainment that building something or telling a big story, while the first X-men was still interesting especialy thanks to the relation between the professor and magneto and the actor obviously, had a really good chemistry and great actors
Very true! I never understood why the filmmakers couldn’t just use a different character for Rogue to get the rest of her powers from. Since the movies changed a bunch of characters anyways, why not take one and make him/her the new person Rogue takes her new powers from?
Yes, exactly. Or she could get them directly from the Kree like Carol Danvers did.
She was a boring character in the Fox movies anyway. Literally a plot device on the first film, then relegated to a side character only important because Logan cares for her. Bryan Singer did her dirty.
I always thought that you could explain her powers after Last Stand. The cure did not react long term and actually made their mutation wilder. Explains how Magneto got his powers back and suddenly Rogue needs to cope with new abilites.
That happened to beast in first class, after trying to remove his powers
Oooh, that's actually plausible! Could get her partway there, and have her absorb powers from some mutant less "rights management issue" than Ms. Marvel, where the two sets work together to get her the basic Flying Brick build.
...dang it, now I want to go read PS238 again.
@@Arkylie Instead of just her powers returning, her DNA mistakenly remembers several powers she absorbed from generic mutants during a Danger Room session in act 1. It is a school for gifted youngsters after all.
It's a shame because rogue had one of the most complex powers in X-men and I really wanted to see how she used them
Rogue (Anna Paquin) in the movies was like that of Jubilee in the 90s animated series. They introduced us to the X-Men, only to later have not much to do in future stories
A main character can do the introduction too, just like Luke Skywalker was used to introduce us to the force and the Jedi. Rogue could have easily been a main character in all 3 movies even without MS Marvel, she could have gotten similar powers from other mutants - it's not like there was a shortage of them. She could have gotten her superhuman strength from Sabertooth and her flying from Magneto who should have died in the first film - there are plenty of other villains left for the X-Men to fight.
Wolverine also kind of fills that role, too. At least in the first movie.
They made Rogue's character basically have Jubilee's arc, because in the cartoons Jubilee was the new X-Men and was invited to the school and everything.
Her role as "the character who introduces use to the X-Men" is a good explanation of want happened to the character. Once the audience knew the cast and their abilities, her job was done.
He makes a great point about the difference between Movies and Tv adaptations. That is why I'd love to see X-Men go to Disney+. With such a large cast the only way to do them justice is to give them more time to develop more characters.
It's a real shame that there hasn't been a really proper X-men television series since the Fox animated show in the 90s. Now that Disney has the rights, maybe that will change when they are officially brought into the MCU.
By going to Disney plus I take it that means “make X Men a series," in which case I agree
@@jayb8934 whenever that happens
Format wise, I think a lot of things could be borrowed from the Defenders series on Netflix when thinking about adapting Xmen on Disney+. Each character got at least one season that was a deep character study before they teamed up, and I would love to see that happen with my favorite Xmen.
Sending X-men to be a tv series is sidelining one of the greatest properties in comic books. Disney is going to milk the hell out of X-men. I’ll be bigger than The Avengers franchise. The shows will be saved for individual characters to explain what happens to a character or two in between movies.
The "Miss Marvel" copyright issues are honestly a cop-out if there ever was one. They're making a movie, they have complete artistic freedom - invent an evil mutant named "Wonderous" who can fly and is super strong. Let Rogue sap her powers to protect a loved one (maybe Wolverine) -> badabang badaboom, comic book Rogue.
The other reasons you gave are completely valid, and maybe they had reasons to be apprehensive about a move like the one I proposed, but it is certainly not impossible to do so.
Namor the Submariner and Nova already have super strength, bullet resistant toughness, flying and speed so unless someone else has copyright use of those character and Marvel Entertainment corporation doesn't they could use them.
Rogue could have absorbed some of Juggernaut's power to have super strength and some of Jean Gray's telekinesis to fly so would not even need Miss Marvel for those powers.
Here's the problem. Fox's x-men was meant to be more grounded and didn't want miss marvel or these other mystical elements
They could have gone the Age of Apocalypse route. In that story she absorbs and kills Polaris (by her request). She then has powers like Magneto. But how she uses them makes her look like the regular 616 Rogue. They could have used Magneto as the reason she has those powers. I mean, she still has the white streaks in her hair that she got from him. Who’s to say she doesn’t have his powers and a bit of his bad boy personality also?
I have never read the comics but Rogue movie trajectory felt very realistic...
She always saw her "power" as more of a curse than a blessing and she wanted to be normal again.
Considering her power robbed her of normalcy is only natural she would strive for it again.
Rogue is my favourite female in the X-men. Loved Anna Paquin portrayal of Rogue. Personally, I would have given Anna/Rogue their own film, if I'd had my way.
Rogue doesn’t even work as the entry character in the first film because she’s not the one asking the question “what is this place?” That’s Wolverine, and it is to and through him that Xavier explains everything. Rogue is only the macguffin of the first film, an object Magneto needs to complete his plan and who the X-Men have to rescue.
yeah tbh, I feel like the best entry points though for X-Men are either Kitty Pryde or Jubilee, both of which this franchise slept on to an embarrassing degree
“Sabertooth? Storm? What do they call you? Wheels?” Classic bit that highlights your point perfectly.
Jackman kind of proves that they rely too much on name recognition. Hale Berry should not have been storm. Marston wasn't a great cyclops. Famkhe was a good Jean, but as always Jean was a fainting flower till the badly translated dark pheonix.
Jackman was amazing, hell even Fraiser was bad ass as Beast.
Put in both the Colossus and Juggernaut from Deadpool 2, then sprinkle in a gambit (the one in origins was good despite the bad writing), give rogue an alien that has marvel powers to drain and go back to the Claremont stories. And never hire Lawrence to do a part ever again.
they gave her the kitty pryde role
@@DarthPoyner The problem with Halle Berry wasn't anything on her part, it was because the movie didn't bother to try making serious use of Storm. She was reportedly very excited and eager to play Storm but then was stuck serving mostly as a background character who didn't do much.
I desperately wanted Rouge to be the person who ran the haven for mutants at the end of Logan. I felt like that would have put a perfect bow on the end of that storyline.
After rewatching the 90s FOX animated show, while getting prepared to watch X-Men 97, I found myself wondering why Jubilee's role in the animated got shifted to Rogue.
If I'm remembering correctly, Halle Berry wanted Storm to have a larger role in the 3rd and pushed hard for it and I believe that is actually the reason why Rogue's character was sort of tossed to the side. She's always been my favorite x-men, so it kills me how she was treated. I even got the Rogue cut because all I wanted was to see more of Rogue and Anna Paquin.
The fact that they failed to do both the characters justice when it was totally possible and had phenomenal actresses behind them is sad
Damn if that was her PUSH, then that's sad
Storm shouldn’t have had an American accent to begin with..Halle Berry was bad casting imo!
@@Bud_Jablonski always agreed with this. Also I bought it twice, first when it came out for the steel book and the rogue cut. Feel the rogue cut made more sense but felt shoehorned in very awkwardly.
@Lee Brown exactly my thoughts too. Rogue could absorb most mutants powers so it’d make sense if it was her DNA that was extracted to make up the Sentinels. Mystique could just copy. It even shows in the first Xmen that the mutant power she’d copy were not even half of the owner’s mutant powers’ full potential.
I didn't care that she couldn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, but she could have done a WHOLE LOT more in the X-2 and 3 films. They could have had her absorb Jean Grey's powers, or somehow help Mystique and reveal that storyline. So much was available, and as a admirer of Anna Paquin, having watched her act when I was a child, I was ecstatic to see her in there! I feel like they could have brought up the rivalry between her and Shadowcat, resulting in some power switching or getting lost in the astral plane, but I honestly feel like they let Shadowcat be her replacement, which made me unhappy.
A small part of me, still in love with the first X-Men movie, is somehow still waiting for the sequel that focuses on Rogue's character arc alongside Wolverine's... :-(
When Wolverine comes back for his dog tags. For them to make Wolverine such a big character they messed it up when they forgot how important Rogue was to him, their scenes together I just loved them, not in a romantic way but Wolverine was really fatherly towards her.
THIS WAS SO WELL DONE. I am so happy I ran into your video, ace quality work!
That was not the "blink and you'll miss it" Rogue scene, that was from the Rogue Cut. The "blink and you'll miss it scene" was after Wolverine wakes up in the new timeline, walks out of his room and briefly sees Rogue with Bobby just befire the camra turns to reveal Kelsey Grammer as Beast
Ya Idk where that claim was coming from. Rogue was deleted out the film minus a reflection of her where kitty sits and the end sequence.
Rogue Cut wasn’t bad. Didn’t really improve DOFP unfortunately so I see why she was cut. But I wish they’d found a better way to include her.
@@cy6610 it does improve if you cared about the series. Also while everyone only mentions Rogue, the film actually added speaking parts to a bunch of the future mutants where they feel less like walking cameos/props but actual characters in this universe. Also an entire sequence with mystique is put back in that explains an often ignored plot hole and addresses the romantic subplot between her and beast established in first class. Extended sequences etc.
The rogue cut is a subtle upgrade but honestly I can't watch the vanilla version now that I notice side characters like Storm never even speak and raven not being easily tracked I can't go back to that version. Its objectively a better film with all of the additions. It just might not be mind blowingly better like certain extended cuts.
Tho I'd argue most people never have their opinions changed by extended cuts of things they've already experienced. Its often just treated with a quick hand wave. Most people who saw the vanilla versions of lord of the rings seem to be indifferent or not really in the mood for the extended 3 - 4 plus hour cuts.
I tend to take issue with the fact I'm missing content like with terminator 2. The two scenes often missing in most presented cuts are deal breakers for me where I basically don't want to watch the film anymore.
I'd rather people promote the rogue cut instead of downplay it. Because that's how you get so many people not knowing about it and it not getting a 4k remaster
@@PrincessNine I agree, the Rogue cut is better then the theatrical cut
They just made her Jubilee for a movie then trashed her I never read the comics much but I do know the Brother-sister relationship of Jubilee and Wolverine which seems like what they did here
More like a father and daughter relationship between Wolverine and Jubilee.
They had nowhere to go? They didn't even discuss her relationship with Gambit. They have plenty of story to tell. Don't make excuses for them!
rogue gambit to obvious why not do something diferent her and logan clicked in x-1 2 3 dofp yet they failed to do it.
@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 her and LOGAN? don't you realize that would've been pedophilia in the context of this universe?
@@Meowdab why?
@@fahriandikadir5799 ...she is literally a teenager and Logan is over a hundred years old, please tell me you see the problem in that
@@Meowdab well she could still age in later movie and logan can fall in love with her when that time comes, i mean he literally fall in love with jean despite she is way younger than him and already has a boyfriend
Rogue is my second favorite XMEN. First, of course, is Wolverine. I really hate that they didn't fully develop that character in the movies.
They could've given her the powers without Danvers. Each movie she could've stole a power from someone else. Rouge was my favorite during the xmen chartoons as I was growing up so I would've loved to have seen her get a bigger role on the movies
Loved the Parody Southern Accent from the Animated series.
would make her to strong for everybody else.
Yeah but FOX was stupid.
@@eastsouth9548 Not really. The X-men have had plenty of insanely powers members in their ranks.
Even without Ms Marvel’s powers, they could have done so much more with Rogue’s absorption power. It would have been so awesome if she had a power stealing sequence from multiple mutants. If there wasn’t scheduling conflicts for Anna Paquin with “True Blood”, the last stand on Alcatraz Island was the perfect opportunity for Rogue to do this.
I've always imagined how awesome it would be for Rogue to join the final battle in X3. Also, just gonna correct you that X3 was filmed in 2005 and True Blood was filmed in 2007 so definitely no conflict there.
Last stand suffered from having two huge at that time stars (Halle and Hugh) and tons of big ones + new characters. I think today it would've been 2 movies AT LEAST.
At the end of X1 she got the grey streaks in her hair after absorbing Magnetos power thats when she should have got the ability of flight, then in X3 they should have had her against Juggernaut and gaining his strength.
Fix X-Men evolution was the best portrayal of rogue without ms. Marvel powers
Like the one who like Scott and resents Jean Grey for being with him.
"Ms. Popularity."
"Whatcha got there PORCUPINE?"
"Sometimes, I wish I could get closer to someone. But you know what happen when I do, right?"
I love how he referred to Michael Biehn's character Hicks from Aliens as Reese from The Terminator.
Although I appreciate the detail you made the assessment with, but the reason Rogue didnt go anywhere in the movies is they chose the exact opposite girl to play her. She may be an award winner, but rogue was a totally different girl. Sassy, strong, country girl. Taller than average.
They should have gone further into the x-men evolution rogue with Anna
Clairmont’s catalyst for seeing the X-men through the eyes of a younger mutant was originally giving to the character Ariel, aka Sprite, aka Shadowcat, otherwise known as Kitty Pride. The character played by the Juno breakout star, Ellen Paige. Who was also the main focus in the story, Days of Future Past. It was Kitty Pride not Logan who actually went back in time from the future to the past to rewrite history. It was also a missed opportunity to see one of the most iconic scenes of that story, which was the total obliteration of all Wolverines flesh from a blast by a Sentinel. The first ever depiction for the death of Wolverine in a future that will obviously be eradicated by a new timeline once Kitty succeeds...
One of main reasons the X-men movie franchise did not become bigger than the Avengers franchise is because they did not focus on the right character’s and did not utilize Wolverine the way Clairmont did in the comics. Also, they focused too much time on a character like Mystique, who was not actually an X-men in the first place…
The cliché, the comics were better than the films definitely applies here…
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Exactly right. I was luke-warm to the x-men movies because they basically replaced Kitty Pride with a worthless Rogue, doing short shrift to two characters. It didn't improve. X2 did a hack job with my personal favorite Nightcrawler. His fight scenes were wicked, but the characterization was all wrong. At least not according to the Claremont run.
Elliot*
Precisely!
@@laravalentine7314 no just because she was sexually molested by all the Hollywood types and is now pretending she's a man, doesn't make her not a woman.
@@kikyamart8749 is because of people like you that there is so much hate in the world. Honestly, I feel sorry for you. I hope you manage to let go of that anger soon and become a better person.
All the best! :-)
Rogue and Gambit were sadly cut off. They were my favorite characters growing up.
Imagine if one day we get an amazing live action Rogue flying around and punching things and when the heroes seem defeated she absorbs all their powers and saves the day. Honestly you could just say flight and strength are also her mutant powers. Or she absorbs another character's flight and strength.
Movies always have problems doing that like with hulk movies they either make them a weak joke or a character that has their same powers. I’m not saying they can’t but they always struggle with it. It’s also sometimes they have their powers stripped or something
"When the heroes seem defeated she absorbs all their powers and saves the day"
isn't that literally the ending of the Fantastic 4 Sequel?
I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Every little boy fell in love with Rogue voice in the animated series. Admit it
Could you please do a video on how Chris Evans got his second chance to star in another Marvel film.
Solid idea!
Answer: Money
Seeing Chris Evans as Johnny Storm in those Fantastic Four films is soooooo surreal. It really is like looking into a strange alternative reality; accept it actually happened!
if i had a nickel for every time a live action Johnny Storm actor got a second chance in a MCU film years later,
i'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
@@camil3545 Johnny Storm at that lol... Killmonger and Cap have both been the Human Torch before.
Rebecca’s mystique is 100times better than the new one
Nostalgia’s effect at its best
@@Jayloke maybe, but I just prefer the look!
The new one is sexier. Sorry not sorry
@@jimmyboy1582 I was chatting just about the look for the movie
She has no depth of character whatsoever. The character that Jennifer Lawrence gave us has a lot more depth and lot more character and you people keep bitching and moaning about it
They could've just made up another story to give her powers not involving Miss Marvel
Nah that would have been too smart.
The director wanted a more "realistic" approach... 🙄
Well, considering X-Men is now part of the MCU, there's nothing holding them back on that front.
Only downside is no Hugh Jackman
@@wrestlinganime4life288 or they’d rather have a mutant that represents how hard living with powers can be instead of just an op character that takes the stakes and tension out of every fight
@@digitalutopia1 Keanu Reeves Has shown he can Play Brutal Assasins, He'd Make a good logan
@@Captianmex1C0 As much as I love Keanu, his build is too slight, and he's far too soft spoken to fill that role. I mean, with the right training and filming you can literally make anyone an assassin- you have to focus on physical characteristics to nail an iconic comic book character.
Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston are examples of this - if you switched the two, it just wouldn't work - regardless of their acting abilities.
In my opinion it’s really tough to cast someone as hot as Rouge is in real life
Man, this one was a disappointment. Rogue was my favorite character, and I was super excited to see her as thenmain character in the first movie. But there were so many red flags in the script. Her personality was completely destroyed in the writing, it didn't even feel like rogue. But I let it go thinking her character would grow more into herself as she connects with everyone in later films... but she was almost completely erased. Then the franchise simply became Wolverine and nothing more. Scott is my least favorite character, and even I felt upset at the level of disrespect the writers gave him. I mean.. killed? In the first 5 minutes?! Why?! I never had much of an opinion of Wolverine before, but after seeing the franchise put him in a pedestal, I am sick of him. I don't even bother with X-Men anymore. I roll my eyes with every cameo that character makes in marvel movies. I stopped watching after the Jean became Phoenix.
Producers need to stop making artistic decisions. They ruin their money banks so much.
She was just sookie from true blood without the accent...
One thing Kevin Feige taught us is creatives should be making creative decisions, not the accountants. Somehow this concept is incredibly difficult to learn for other studios.
I know I was so excited to see the live action movies when I was a kid because she was my absolute favorite! Needless to say I was super disappointed and became a Jean hater 💀
Rogue was one of my favorite and most memorable characters in the Saturday morning X-Men cartoons. It’s a shame they only focused on her initially and left her behind. WHY??? She’s the most badass mutant along with Gambit.
Her character in t movie seemed tad annoying though. Maybe thats why
I feel like Rogue was more of a plot device in the first movie rather than a central character
This. She was literally the MacGuffin of the film.
The friendship between her and Wolverine wasn't bad
Central character is always wolverine.
The whole "Rogue couldn't fly because Fox didn't have the rights to Captain Marvel" is b.s. They could've made her absorb similar powers with some generic mutant.
Rogue was never actually Rogue in the movies. She was Shadowcat/Jubilee with Rogue's powers. Hell, she didn't even have a Southern accent. There was no Gambit for her to work with. They only made her Rogue because her powers fit Magneto's plot in the first movie. Otherwise, this would've usually been the role or Shadowcat/Jubilee.
Rogue has always been my favorite mutant. I was so disappointed how she was handled in the movies but I absolutely loved her character arc in X-Men Evolution, most specifically the first season. The uncertainty of who to trust while constantly being thrust into the various situations that went on around her and then finally learning the truth was the best.
X-men animated series was my favorite rogue. The voice actress had that seductive southern accent that just worked so well
I like how feisty and fun cartoon Rogue was.
I was hoping for Rogue to be just like in the 90’s cartoon. It’s to bad we never got the Rogue we all wanted.
Her screams as she sapped Ms Marvel was horrifying though.
7:54 that should be "Hicks", played by Michael Biehn. "Reese" is Biehn's character in Terminator (also directed by James Cameron and with Bill Paxton)
i guess the equivalent mistake from more recent era would be mistaking christopher lee as saruman vs. as count dooku
I noticed that too. Its weird they mixed that up.
Yes, it's actually Hicks.
Im almost betting it was a screen rant tactic. Done on purpose for comments
@@TJ-bu9zk , the other time I heard a narrator say virgin for version on Looper.
@@TJ-bu9zk You are correct, this is up there with mis-pronouncing easy words to get comments.
Rogue was one of my favorite characters, both in the comics and in the 90s tv show, as well as the movies. I was so disheartened to see her completely cut from the new films. But shout out to her cameo in the Deadpool game. Absolutely nailed her character.
Thank you, I've always wondered this ever since I watched the 2000s X-Men franchise. I mean it just felt like there's so much more Rouge for us to see. I mean the ending with Rouge getting the cure is like killing her character forever.
To be fair they do imply with Magneto's last scene that the cure didn't work. So they could have gone on and had everyone that took it get their powers back. When I first saw 3 I thought that was exactly the direction they'd go.
I was soooooo pissed at how they treated Rogue- the story arc where Rogue gets her super strength and ability to fly would have made a great movie with real depth of character.
I really hope the MCU will dial back the presence of Wolverine, while we can all agree that Wolverine is a dope character, the heavy focus that Fox put on him made every other character in the movies forgettable and killed certain character's potential like Rogue's.
Yeah, if Marvel Studios really wants to differentiate from the FoX-Men franchise, first of all, focus more on Cyclops, Storm, Rogue and the others that got overshadowed by Logan, Xavier, Magneto and Mystique.
Yeah, everyone else really felt like side chracters even though the movies were called X-men
Yeah, Cyclops really got the shaft. Here's literally the first X-man and he's basically deleted from the film series with each passing film. I get it, Hugh did wonderful as Wolverine but that totally doesn't excuse them making most X-men characters that are actually pivotal in the comics basically bloated cameos.
@@walker1984 Yep, I agree 100%, there's no reason that a character like Cyclops, who has a deep and important history with the X-Men, should've been as forgettable as he was.
MCU will makes dumb down X-Men for mass audiences.
They could have still had rogue get stronger by having her overcome her fears. Rogue having full control of her powers is just as great than getting super strength and flight. Oh well.
I was a teenager reader of the X-Men when Rogue debuted. Though I stopped collecting comics in my early 20s, I wanted to see how my Marvel favorites portrayed in film with contemporary special effects. I kept expecting Rogue to be a major character in the films. And I was expecting her to have a strong Southern accent like the comics too.
I’m glad they forgot/left rogue, they would’ve only done more damage in representing such an amazing character.
I think the most criminally neglected character in X-Men movies is Gambit.
For as important and integral as Cyclops was(leader of the x-men, husband of dark phoenix) he was barely noticed after the first movie.
If they really wanted to "Power Up" Rogue; all they had to do was create a mutant (or use an existing one) that can fly (Northstar), or has super strength (Colossus), etc and Have Rogue graph off of them. It's a simple solution that producers had to have been aware of, and chose not to do for whatever reason.
I don't think they truly needed Ms Marvel to make Rogue more powerful at all... If that was the case, they could get Shiar's Gladiator or some unnamed character with the same powers.
But that would require more and better stunts than those they had (which we can see in Magneto or Storm flight sequences). It was a choice from producers to adjust the movie and cast to their needs and capabilities.
If there is one thing that give's me hope to see Rogue, Gambit, and all the X-Men is Kevin Feige. He has all the pieces to make Rogue work the way she should. And I really do think if she was the front running character of the X-men in the MCU It would be amazing to see her power up! I think there will be a time when that happens and the more Marvel works on it and sets it up the better.
Rogue is sopposed to fly and be super strong. They messed it up.
Not really, she only had those powers for 15 years in the comics.
Maybe if Rogue was more of the sassy southern belle bombshell she was in the comics that would have compelled them to do more with her. As it were, Anna Paquin portrayed Rogue as more Kitty Pryde, through both looks and demeanor, than Rogue.
X-men 2000, X2 and the last stand are my favorite x-men movies. It wasn't the same anymore without all of the original cast.
Paquin’s performance and characterization also had a huge impact on less Rogue. XMen Evolution proved she doesn’t need Ms Marvel powers to be awesome and a heavy hitter on the team
Evolution isn't accepted huge by the community tho
Nope & Wrong! As much as I like Rogue in the X-Men movies, THAT WASN'T ROGUE!.. They destroyed and disrespected this character big time. So please don't sit there and act as if this garbage is on and acceptable. This is why we have problems when good stories in movies because some of y'all just accepted any rubbish on screen. This was a disgrace, disrespectful and disgusting. There was no Rogue in this franchise.
@@SrChalice
She was the ultimate universe rogue which is the worst version of her to date.
I remember Rouge having quite the spotlight in the X-Men Evolution animated series.
Before the MCU, female characters were underwritten and that’s an understatement and if these females were a minority, they were for the most part, not written at all. So to be totally fair and honest, the Rogue storyline in the first x-men was actually Jubilee’s who is merely an extra in the franchise.
I love Anna Paquin but she never got star power like her co-stars who became more and more famous after each entry and Fox really only cared about making money, not telling a story.
This is especially the case with Jean in the first 3 films. Compare the first 3 Fox flims compared to say X Men 97, and the women have far more agency in the plot and badass moments.
Anna Paquin looks absolutely fire in that thumbnail
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Thank you very much! I have said for years that one of the reasons we have a huge Marvel cinematic universe today, is because of Blade! Blade showed the world that you can take a Marvel character and not make them ridiculous or campy. The world saw what comic book heroes could be and we wanted more! Blade was the catalyst for what we have today in Marvel and that cannot be denied! And, according to the Eternals post-credit scene, it looks like he is back! I sincerely hope that Wesley Snipes has some kind of character in this reboot of sorts. Marvel Studios owes Snipes a great deal! Thank you again for acknowledging the importance of Blade to Marvel's success today.
Right! I liked the pre-MCU Marvel movies. Blade was badass, Hellboy was good too (at least the first movie was). I even liked the Edward Norton Hulk movie. Toby McGuire's Spider-Man was really good too, I thought. MCU did a very good job with Avengers and Iron Man but that's about it. Everything out of Hollywood today is so Woke that nothing is worth the time or money. Entertainment has ceased being entertaining.
@@GizmoFromPizmo Are you going to whine "WOKE" anytime you see a woman or nonwhite in anything?
I always wished they did more with Rouge and Gambit I loved both their solo comics and that relationship was a big part of Rouge's story.
Rogue in Evolution was the way to go. Not overpowered but with insane potential.