A case of "fuck around and find out". Teens can be brutal but nobody should have lost their life. The kids should have minded their own business and the guy should have walked away.
I agree with you but he intentionally put himself in that situation which is why I believe he should be found guilty. I think pride got the best of him and he confronted them knowing he had a knife in his pocket and could use the excuse of self defense if it went that way. I don’t think he was scared up until he actually got his shit rocked in the water. He also fucked around and is going to find out stabbing someone gets you life in prison because it’s clear as day this wasn’t self defense.
@@RizziculousI thought the same thing as you. I hope you watch the whole case. cuz they attacked him first no where in video is he hitting anybody they all jumped him. He was looking for his phone minding his business he got swarmed and litterally jumped. If I was that guy I wouldn’t have used a knife because I’m young and know how to fight but he’s old and clearly out of shape so he has every reason to be scared for his life in this situation. He didnt hit anybody or stab anybody until he got jumped.
@@donovahnnduhaney7608 Yeah I actually agree with everything you say. I do think he was scared for his life and was being attacked but context should matter and I think he put himself in that situation INTENTIONALLY when he easily could have avoided the whole thing. Some people love confrontation when they're adrenaline is up. And I come to that conclusion because he RAN up on them in a threatening manner grabbing at their tubes knocking them off. At that point he made first contact when he didn't have to in my eyes. That's regardless if they were screaming at him... doesn't give someone the right to come at you like that. And theyre saying he threw the first punch on top of that. There were just too many opportunities for the stabbing to be avoided and although those kids did antagonize him the old guy also made choices that lead to death which he should be held accountable for.
@@donovahnnduhaney7608 and I will be watch the whole trial. Need to catch up to day 2 and 3 later. And this doesnt matter in terms of finding him guilty or not but I do have a feeling he was being a creep and checking out girls. The water is knee deep if that and it doesn't appear to be that murky so why the snorkel? I might have missed this but was the phone ever found or was it proven he lost it at the river?
The reason Miu lied about the knife is because he was raised in the United Kingdom where it is illegal to defend himself with a knife. It is an automatic not less than 4 years for selfdefense with a weapon there.
@@LetsberealishHe was attacked fell into the water where was still being attacked. He defended himself. He's on his back in the water being hit by multiple people he didn't know what was going to happen he panicked and defended himself. These guys stories are different than what they reported and different than what the video shows. They conveniently only remember what they want to remember to make their story. Their liars they pursued and attacked this man. The man fought back now their scared little kids. Instead of taking responsibility for taking part in their friends death they are trying to hang this man for their mistakes. They should be charged.
@@Letsberealish Miu was looking for a lost phone. The drunken youths harassed then attacked him. He then defended himself. The big question is, who threw the first punch?
@@Paul-fq4mm the problem is he was carrying a knife and killed and injured others - why oh why carry a knife.If everyone went around stabbing for being yelled at, well there’d be dozens of murders daily . Plus Miu is an adult and SHOULD HAVE walked away🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🙄🙄
I know one thing. If I am ever in trouble, I want the defendant's lawyer! I think the evidence so far shows that it was reasonable for him to be intimidated. I am not saying what he did as a result was okay, but it does indicate he had a reasonable doubt for his safety. When this case first happened, the media made it seem like a mad man with a machete started randomly attacking young people. So, I went into it already convinced the guy did things just like they said. We don't live too far from here and it is a big party venue. Many people are out of control with their drinking and there are fights. If you have teens, it is best not to let them go tubing unless at least one responsible adult is with their group and is nearby.
He's reincarnated Rasputin the murdering mad monk! Just look at him smirking! He wasn't scared. He was a predator like a 🐊 in the water. Kids had no chance!
@@fatee5069 💯 He also could have shown the knife as a warning at any point which I'm absolutely sure would've caused those kids to back tf off. Instead, he chose to slay some defenseless kids.. literally the only thing they had as a weapon was a freaking inner tube. It's wild to me that so many people are defending this dude.
Yeah, he should’ve kept walking when he initially headed upstream back towards his group, instead of turning back & charging at the teens & grabbing their tubes. This is why you don’t hit a girl telling you to go away, while surrounded by drunk teens you claim to be in fear of you life of, that are all laughing & saying go away. Miu escalated the situation multiple times & had both the option & duty to retreat. He escalated the situation to violence by being the first commit assault. Ditching the weapon & lying to investigators show consciousness of guilt. If you stabbed anyone would you discard the knife, not tell anyone & lie after arrest?
@@abd5441 again …. This is WHY we DONT hang around young STUPID people drinking alcohol. I said what I said . Don’t gaf about your feelings. You weren’t there . Foh
AGAIN- this is WHY i DONT hang around young stupid people drinking alcohol. It NEVER ends well . Idgaf what happened , I don’t put myself in situations like that . And yOU weren’t there. 🤡@abd
I couldn't understand how someone could just stab people for any reason, until I found out he's a Mexican. I'm 61 and grew up in East LA and there is nothing like Mexicans for going around stabbing people with knifes for little or no reason. I've seen it hundreds of times. I've had them pull switchblades on me several times for no reason.
My opinion has massively changed after witnessing the video. This guy stabbed one kid in the gut and pulled the knife upward…that takes some thought and effort. Whether he felt threatened or not, the rowdy kids/young adults didn’t have weapons, this was overkill. He literally brought a knife to a fist fight. Neither group is in the right but I do wonder about Mr Miu’s thoughts and intentions…he IS smiling at some point and seemed to be very calm and controlled after the stabbings, not devastated by his actions or frightened enough to call police or approach them when he saw them. He would have walked off and gone home no issue. His wife is a sour-faced lump of belligerent misery too.
"pulled the knife upward" - can you prove that? because I don't see it and I've watched the video... a lot. that kid with the abdominal scar was worked on by our fine medical experts who gave him the scar he ended up with. so sad.
He didn't pull it upwards that guy was pushing backwards he was meditating when he meditated the knife went upwards. Notice anybody that got stabbed was coming at him he didn't chase anybody. Facts matter.
Wonder how different this would’ve gone if alcohol had not been a factor 🤔 who gave the minors alcohol? They should definitely face charges as well imo
Alcohol does crazy things to people. I had a family member black out and physically assault me for no reason. There was nothing to provoke such a thing. I just remember feeling my hair at the back of my head getting torn out, I was on the floor, protecting my face from getting kicked in. I’ve never given anyone a reason in my life to hurt me like that. I will never trust another drunk again, for any reason.
People who think he's not guilty are insane. Walked up and created the altercation had hand on his knife in preparation, began stabbing wildly when he lost ground, didn't flee in fear or panic for his life just walked away into the sunset like a fucking hitman.
They ganged up on him and tried to drown him for absolutely no reason they should have been offering to help him look for his phone they were supposedly business people I wouldn't want to do business with any of those punks
Tried to drown him ? Please 😂 with all those “teenagers” around him, if they really wanted to drown the older man, they would’ve . He wouldn’t have had a chance if that was there actual intent . Be realistic and stop just saying shit to sound smart . You act like these teens were out looking for him and caused a scene . That man clearly went over to a area the teens were occupying, and we know what takes place after that. Had that man minded his business and left them damn kids alone, we wouldn’t be having this conversation now would be. Both sides could’ve handled things way differently but if one was to point the finger, how could you not point in the direction of the person who created the situation to begin with. Be for real .
@@pacmanAce don't jump too far with your logic nobody said WHAT kind of trouble they were looking for that day. yes they were pushing him down in the water repeatedly. Attempted murder. if they felt so threatened by some guy looking for 18 year old girls lol. Which was a straight up lie because every one of them is lying especially the one who said oh I had experienced arbitrating fights with grade school so that's what I was trying to do yeah okay buddy sure we believe you hopefully said no juror I guess it's the same with him feeling threatened and he's getting attempted murder charges on the punks who didn't die. They've had 18 months to get this BS story together and the only one smart enough to say she was so drunk she absolutely does not remember is the old blonde girl with the warts on her face
@@deadmanswife3625 I see you overlooked a lot of what I said with the way you responded lol . NOBODY needed to say whether they were looking for trouble or not. The fact is they were in their own group and space, not bothering anyone. And the whole reason the situation even became one is because the older man invades there group and then both side made poor decisions to handle the situation. Again not to excuse how the teens escalated things by bullying the man but cmon seriously.. the video shows clear as day that there’s literally nobody behind him the moment he pulls the knife out . Which means he was not cornered, and if he really felt like his life was “in danger” at that moment, he had plenty of space to leave the situation. He chose not to. Not to mention he also did not brandish his knife nor give any verbal warnings which will make his defense much more difficult in terms of self defense. Plus never looks good to lie to police and Ditch the murder weapon after the fact 😊
@@pacmanAce I'm waiting to see how the murder weapon was ditched. These are professing "businessmen " Should've asked if they could help the approaching stranger. The government should get a refund for that tuition. In any case it's up to the jury. I know no one who acted that way at that age. My parents never allowed comingling with that mob attitude. They got a lot wrong but I think they got that strictly enforced rule correct. Great chatting with you Ace ❤😊♠️
The fact that Mr Miu lied and lied and lied some more tells me the stabbings were not in self defense. He threw the knife away! And if you really look at the pictures, Mr Miu does not look scared, he looks crazy.
He had no reason to lie. It's all on video. I can see why he would. Based on the actual events the guy protected himself. He was surrounded by these animals. Disgusting that he was even arrested. No way he will be found guilty
The kids look and sound crazy. He walked away. He was surrounded by animals. Drunk animals. He jabbed them.. maybe they shouldn't have been so close to him
?????? What the heck are you smoking? A guy slapping a woman, hiding a knife by his side, slicing it from the belly to the throat of one kid and slashing the others all while smirking like he's superior to them? I guess the rest of the jurors were thankfully not biased in the way you seem to be. Wow. Just can't believe anybody would think anything this guy did was justified. Maybe yelling back. Maybe even hitting one of the GUYS. MAYBE getting into a brawl. But pulling out your concealed knife and attempting to murder them all? C'mon people... I just can't with the "victim" mentality here....
@@paulschooping5421 Ty Paul well put. I feel that he could have walked away And at one point t he ran back to the tube He wanted to show something I'm wish it had never happened .have a very nice day sir
The defense needs to close out with the video footage slowed all the way down and without sound and allow the jury to make their decision based on the video, evidence and the testimony that they have seen.
Everybody forgets to mention how scary it is when you're in the water and people are pushing you down or pulling you down when you're just playing around now imagine being around so many angry drunk and high teenagers bigger than you? I honestly put myself in Nick's shoes and I feel like I want to get anxiety.
That’s what I mentioned in another video he was terrified did you know they look like they were going to drown them there like they were lynching mob they found Frankenstein you know meanwhile Frankenstein never touched that little girl they’re yelling out pedophile rapist that’s scary that’s the most disgusting person in the world and they’re calling it at him and people are in a mob did terrified for the children they want to kill the monster that’s like scream in shark 🦈 and there’s no shark 🦈 I say it was the black guy that was videotaping his faults poor Isaac is not here today because of that man that enticed the riot gathered his little mob to attack this man to get a video so that he can get paid $1000 on UA-cam I feel so bad for Nicholas his mommy it’s a horrible situation what happened may he rest in peace I feel so awful I want to know what happens because I see an innocent man it’s gonna go to jail for his life if people don’t realize what part they had in this
I get it Nic was pushed and shoved in the water 2 times with 13 drunk/ high teenagers and inner- tubes surrounding him, shouting, cussing and harassing him. He made a bad/ prideful decision to bring out the knife. Split second choices and someone dies. Why was he even around the kids in that area, not speaking acting weirdly?
@@CaraMills0106 The teens were laughing, weren’t angry until he hit the girl. She was yelling at him but, yelling for him to leave, as the evens had been. In that moment, he could’ve walked away, instead he chose to hit the girl. He was the first to commit assault, he escalated the situation to violence. Can’t create a threatening situation, then claim self defense. He also had a duty (& many opportunities) to retreat.
The people saying this guy is innocent and "self defense" yall need to get your head checked. Both parties were in the wrong but Miu is not innocent.... if he was he wouldve told the police the truth. What was clearly shown on the video and what he told the cops were two wildly different stories. 49:59
I can’t believe the idiots here saying self defense. Yea if he would’ve started walking away and they kept on harassing maybe. He just stayed there. AFTER walking up to them. You can call anyone a pedophile. Doesn’t mean you can assault them. He wanted an altercation and look at him now. Now he’s not going to worry about being called a pedo, he’s actually a murderer now.
@@apriltortorici9810 Clearly in the beginning he came to the boys while they were laying on their tubes with his knife out. He should have ignored them and not approached them.
Go back to the video right before the guy yells, he hit a woman, and you will see the kid in the yellow shorts shoving him back down in to the water twice, and after the 2nd shove he stabs him. Clearly self defense. The man had to be terrified, being surrounded and not knowing if they would try to drown him next.
And the guy in the yellow shorts punched the guy three times…but had a can of beer in his left hand the whole time…and did the punching to defend the 13 kids in the mob…
I agree, and don’t hate me .. but my only cause for pause is; if he was as scared and threatened of the crowd (which he had every right to be) why not be the one to call cops and say “I was basically jumped, and harassed, exc” and give his account of his fear then and there, but again you never know how you’ll react to a situation until your in it … but I agree - self defense - tragedy someone lost their life of course, tragedy it all happened in the first place - I just don’t understand if he was so shaken up why he didn’t cal for help as the original “ victim” (if you will) … anyone else?? Pls don’t come for me 🙊
I get tired of everyone trying to justify their behavior ohctheir just 17 year old boys. Quit making excuses this is why things happen like this they belive they can do what they want with no consequences
You’re so dumb you don’t see the irony! 😂 The same applies to the old guy as well. He’s about to find out his actions have consequences too. Life in prison
@@PeepingEarsOMG it’s your attitude that allows this horrid little generation get away with anything they do…no consequences.. no fault… no penalty. It is the worst tragic outcome and this man shouldn’t go without punishment…but people need to stop mollycoddling kids… teach them right from wrong punish them when misbehaving and for the love of god love them
2:34:48 I watched the video again. He ran up to them, grabbed their tubes, touched their bodies. When they reacted and told him to leave, he TRULY should have said a lot more in response and should have walked away. I repeat, HE RAN up to them, touched their tubes and legs. That can be considered assault, right? The group was wrong to yell and touch him. But, he wouldn't leave. They never needed to leave their own gear. Anyone saying they could have walked away, is forgetting he left his group and ran up to strangers, getting right up in their personal space. A normal person would not run over and would have said something like "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone." A normally functioning human doesn't approach like he did and continues to stand around and barely say a word. They were reacting to a very oddly behaving man. They could have reacted better. But, they just wanted to be left alone. He deserves life. I wouldn't trust him in public ever again. He even put his hand on his hip. He reacted with a knife, still not saying anything. He never yelled for help. He never acted like he wanted to leave. He just attacked. He wasn't acting normally the whole time. The multiple lies he told afterwards are also huge factors. He brushed it off like nothing happened, tossed knife, tried to leave the river with his group unnoticed and got caught. He never intended to talk to police. He's lived in the US since before graduating high school. He can speak English. I believe he has undiagnosed mental illness. I can't blame all this on shock or panic because of the odd behavior from start to finish. No one normal runs up to a group and touches their gear, their bodies and stands around barely saying a word. If he really wanted a phone, why don't we hear him saying that to them multiple times. He wasn't talking much at all. They reacted because he was acting weird, crazy. So, for him to claim self defense, he must 1st explain why he approached them the way he did. He asserted himself to a group of guys minding their own business.
"He ran up to them, grabbed their tubes, touched their bodies" And had he stabbed them at this point, you'd have a point. This interaction had nothing to do with whether he was defending himself later because that situation was no longer present. Minutes went by after this. "When they reacted and told him to leave, he TRULY should have said a lot more in response and should have walked away." And the young adults shouldn't have been drunk, screaming, and calling him a raper, etc. He DID speak to the adult females that came up to him afterward, but they didn't listen to what he said. You can see him pleading his case to them and them ignoring him. "The group was wrong to yell and touch him." "Touch" him? They punched him. They "touched" him multiple times prior to him being punched, knocked into the water, then punched again and pushed. Those aren't "touched" but physical assaults. "They never needed to leave their own gear" They shouldn't have left their own gear but they did, actually. They chased him down. "anyone saying they could have walked away, is forgetting he left his group and ran up to strangers, getting right up in their personal space. " Incorrect - he left his group to find one of the people's phones. This is a fact. He thought those drunken teenagers had the phone. He shouldn't have run up to them, sure, but he thought they had the phone. If you thought someone had your phone would you confront them? Also, those young adults didn't just "happen" to start recording. They began recording because there was conversation about the phones and asking if he could see the phone, believing it was the phone he was looking for. It probably wasn't, but had the young adults not been drinking illegally, they probably would have been able to understand the situation, but they were drunk, in a group, and they didn't. "A normal person would not run over and would have said something like "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone." " Your comment is as if you believe the interaction between them began the moment the phone began recording. He did tell them he was looking for a phone. The young group were too drunk to comprehend what was happening and likely thought it was strange to have a stranger asking to see their phones, which it would be, but they were too drunk to realize he was looking for a phone, which he was. "They were reacting to a very oddly behaving man. " By punching him, knocking him down, striking him while he's down, and trying to push him in the water? Is that how YOU react to an odd man? "They could have reacted better. But, they just wanted to be left alone." ROFL - they CHASED. HIM. DOWN. Literally they followed him, surrounded him, put hands on him . . . . I think they could've done a lot more than "act better." "He even put his hand on his hip." Clearly out of frustration that he was being surrounded by drunk people who kept touching him and two adults that had just grabbed him and yanked on him when he was trying to find his goggles that fell out of his hand. "He reacted with a knife, still not saying anything." He pulled out a knife and never once stabbed anyone until he was physically assaulted, then was aggressed by people. He stabbed them as they came at him. This is how a knife is used in defense. "He never acted like he wanted to leave. " He very clearly acted like he wanted his goggles back, which he believed they had because it went under their tubes and didn't come out the other side. "The multiple lies he told afterwards are also huge factors. " He did lie and that was a huge mistake, but that doesn't mean he wasn't defending himself. It means he made a bad decision after being attacked by 13 people and stabbed several of them when they attacked him. You don't know how you'd react to it - he made a bad choice. I can certainly understand why someone would not make a good choice after all that happened. "He never intended to talk to police." Again, he had just been assaulted by multiple people, stabbed several of them, and didn't make a good choice, but that still doesn't mean that in that moment he wasn't defending himself. "I believe he has undiagnosed mental illness. I can't blame all this on shock or panic because of the odd behavior from start to finish. " You believe = conjecture based on nothing. You can't blame it on shock or panic because you don't want him to be found innocent. His behavior wasn't odd to me. While I wouldn't have done what he did, I can certainly place myself in his shoes and understand, with ease, why he would do it. "No one normal runs up to a group and touches their gear" Do normal people gang up on old people 13 to 1 after surrounding him, completely, with no way to exit other than through the people surrounding him? Is THAT behavior normal? "If he really wanted a phone, why don't we hear him saying that to them multiple times" Because the interaction with them started prior to the recording. The fact that you believe the first interaction with him was when the camera started rolling proves that you aren't necessarily capable, or willing, to remove the bias of how terrible the situation is and wanting to blame someone for kids being stabbed and one dying. The conversation with them started prior to this. Even if it hadn't - even if that's literally the first time that they talked - what he did in that moment had zero bearing on whether or not, in the exact moment of the stabbing, he felt like he had to defend his life. You can't seem to understand that those situations are all separate parts. If someone punches you and you don't react, you don't get to walk up to them a minute or two later (or even 30 seconds later) and punch them back. That's not how this works. The situations are separate things. You don't get to blame him for their actions, but that's what you're doing. He did what he did, which was run up to the tubes and try to stop them to get a phone he thought they had (which certainly isn't okay). But what THEY did after is yell, scream, call names, etc., which isn't okay either. He had walked away from them after this and they followed him. Those are three distinct and separate incidents. The assault was yet another incident. The only relevance the lead up had was "how did this make him feel when he was being assaulted" - it made him feel threatened, even if he ran over to them. He was still threatened and THAT is what self-defense is about. He didn't commit a crime - they did. Their crime led to the stabbing. "So, for him to claim self defense, he must 1st explain why he approached them the way he did. " First of all, he did explain why. He was looking for his phone, but secondly, he doesn't have to explain that to claim self defense as it had no bearing on how he felt while he was being punched, slapped, and pushed into the water.
Exactly. Both parties behaved poorly, but to say the man is completely blameless in the incident is incorrect. He definitely instigated an odd situation causing a group of dumb kids to react. Were the kids wrong to act like brats? Yes. Was he wrong to stand around and stay in a situation he created, continuing the confrontation? Yes. Everyone made poor decisions, but was the man completely blameless and a poor victim of a pack of bullies that came after him unprovoked? Absolutely not. And frankly, it seemed like he wanted to have a reason to "defend" himself from the footage. Like he poked the bear just to stab the bear when the bear reacted.
They ain’t kids. They approached him and tried to bully him. Teach your kids that the real world ain’t the fucking internet and maybe this won’t happen
@@jamesd7495 Thats right. You mess with the bull, sometimes you get the horns. Parents should have been teaching these little turds to keep their hands to themdamnselves. I'm sure nobody would have been stabbed had they just talked sht and to the man and never touched him. Sht didn't get REAL until they put their hands on that man.
@@jamesd7495Yea they ain’t kids but they didn’t just approach him they didn’t even know him his group wasn’t even near them he separated from his group and ended up by the teens stop lying
Raise their kids properly? They came to the aid of young girls being harassed. He punched one of them.they asked him to leave repeatedly. He left and came back. He wasn't scared he was mad. Those boys were defending the girls from a perv going under their tubes get it right
First off he came to them. So he put himself in the situation. Second he punched his friend which lead to him being pushed. Third I hope u have no kids cause just because u think u raised them right they out with their friends drinking u mean nothing to their thoughts. Hope u have no kids.
Blood alcohol level of 2.1 at 17 yrs old. Continually shoving a man twice your age in to the water, and if you were paying attention he was walking away when they started yelling at him and calling him a pedophile
I don’t know specifically because I don’t know much about this case, but it’s pretty common for someone to be keeping track/adding/subtracting/changing the order of questions as each witness answers so the other lawyer can concentrate on presenting each question with clarity. It’s really unlikely it’s any sort of training. Law clerks/interns can participate in active cases, but it would be really weird if that was going on for a big, publicly available case. Regardless, would’ve been great if somebody in audio figured that out and didn’t allow the mics to pick up constant whispering lol
It was stated that Isaac had a BAC of .22. If the dude weighed 150lbs then he'd have to consumed close to eight beers to have that kind of BAC. His friends claimed that he was the "most sober of the group".
The phone was on a landyard in a protective pouch around his neck.. he started recording and it was just dangling there. He wasn’t holding the phone the entire time.
Stupid. Those drunk kids started the fiasco by calling him as a pedofile, he was then pushed and punched making him fear for his life. Now the perp actions after the stabing was wrong, he shoulda stayed and defended his actions. Those kids were cowards even failing to assist their fallen friends, useless they just wailed and watch one die in frint of them.
The number of people saying that this man is innocent is equal parts disgusting and disturbing. He approached a group of teenagers not once, but twice, without exchanging a word to them when they ask him what he's doing or why he's by them, instead just staring at them like some kind of psycho. I would have accused him of being a pedophile too. Regardless of what they were calling him, he started the physical altercation by hitting a woman. And even before that, he was grabbing at the teens legs and flipped one of their tubes. The boys responded in the way men should when another man strikes a woman by acting in her defense. He had every opportunity to walk away, or communicate in any fashion, before that point. After the retaliation, he the proceeds to literally disembowel someone, kill a teenager, and injured others with a knife. This. Is. Not. Self. Defense. This is not some feeble 50+ year old man, he is clearly physically capable. And i don't agree with the people saying that this started with a bid for TikTok clout. He was a weird old man getting into the space of teenagers (wearing nothing but swim trunks), staring not responding to them questions his presence, and deserved to be recorded at that point.
Agree. Why wasn't he talking to them more as he approached them. "Hi, I'm looking for a phone." He barely said a word the whole time. It doesn't matter where he's from. Being cautious if not in best shape due to heart, is even more of a reason to behave better than he did. Normal people would be talking more as they approached a group, wouldn't go touching strangers underwater, etc. He acted very strangely. They reacted. They didn't behave great either. But, he never needed a knife in this situation. They kept telling him to go away and he didn't. I think something is wrong with him mentally. I have known several people who appear normal until you know them personally. I know a couple of psychopaths that act normal but, they have a very bad side and have hurt people. His ex is also quite off, odd, too. I watched her video. She said she wasn't sure when his quadruple was, said, maybe 2020. She has oddly selective memory. What wife forgets that special day? None!
@@robincunningham8366I believe it is the prosecutor with the typing because I kept paying attention to the clicking and it synched with his. It was annoying lol
I think it is clicking the video frames forward with a mouse or keyboard, not a pen. Not nearly as concerning as picking up the whispering from the attorneys’ tables but maybe the same hot mics.
I’m early on into watching but group of 17 people with many young drunk teen males harrasing and tries to drown the dude ….. waiting to see if he did actually hit the women first and boys then responded. Hard to tell yet
I did not see him hit her. These teens are scary. We need to watch this trial closely friends . This could happen to any of us. It’s getting worse everyday.
@@karend.SKYWARN no but, multiple people yelled on the video about him hitting the girl right when it happened. Also, his defense atty confirmed he hit her, never denied it; he only distinguished that it was an open hand slap (still a “hit”) & not a punch. Then, he tried diminishing the open hand slap the defendant gave the girl but, embellished the open hand slap the defendant received. Ironic that nearly every person that sides with the defendant is an older person, often griping about today’s youth or disrespectful, scary teens. Hope the jury isn’t full of easily triggered boomers lol. Fwiw I’m closer to the defendant’s age.
That smirk while holding the knife says it all. At that moment, he decided to stab as many people as he could. If kids are mocking you, walk away. His ego wanted to teach them a lesson.
@@paradisesunprincess He allegedly slapped her. This claim is problematic, however, and unfortunately the footage pans away for about 2 seconds during witch this was supposed to have occurred
@jessicaparks9495 did you read what I wrote...I didn't say the kids had knives.....he told police the kids had pulled knives on him when police first question him......bless your heart you can't read
He's guilty to bad they didn't get recording earlier of him bothering you g girls swimming under their tubes looking at them. Those boys came to help line they should when you hear someone yell for help
It doesn't matter Cassandra. He was attacked. It's on video. He was surrounded. I can't imagine being in that position. He's getting off. Self defense. Those animals and "adults" need self control. It's pathetic
Honest to God, now having watched the video in real time, any adult who comments on this video whining about a bunch of drunk teens... you're sick in the head. Period.
@@ryand141he stabbed everyone he could find in that moment. Then hid the weapon, tried to evade police and flat out lied to them multiple times regarding his involvement. Old dude needs to go away for a solid 25 for this one. No good time.
The “kids” must have been very close in order to be stabbed with a 3” knife. I’m sorry for those who were hurt & killed but I believe this was self defense. I think it all started because the kids wanted to get a reaction from Nick for views. I’m just glad I’m not a juror.
The victim is Nicolae. He was the one that was initially attacked. Those kids were raised wrong. The parents should be on trial for not raising them correctly.
@@jpjpthatguy9513 he ran up on those boys first and initiated contact. He should have walked away at that point instead of charging them. Who’s the adult here?
@@astrialindah2773 many witnesses testified under oath that they saw him hit her. If there were no video at all his goose would be cooked from the start. At least all the evidence is fair.
People act inappropriately every day of the week and in every city and state of this country. That's not the point. The point is that five people were stabbed and one died. No one can use lethal force in the absence of lethal threats or the serious potential for serious physical harm. This was not self-defense. You can't stab unarmed people for yelling at you or even threatening to punch you (Miu actually threw the first punch). That's absurd. These people were not waving guns or knives. Miu will be convicted and go to jail for the rest of his life.
@@probrickgamer Everybody certainly deserves their day in court but can you please explain why it's Mr. Miu right now and not the "13"? Was that a grievous error in the criminal justice system? If I was Mr. Miu right now and had a choice to walk this back two years - I'd rather be facing those 13 young people in the Apple River than the 12 jurors that have been selected to determine where he'll spend the rest of his life. Agreed?
The kid holding that camera should be ashamed of himself. Recording was more important than calling 911. This generation of kids is out of control. He’s part of the reason that kid is dead. Part of the problem.
He started the whole thing calling the dude a raper and yelling he's looking for little girls over and over he incident a riot a mob against a guy who apparently was looking for his friend's phone that fell into the river that's why he was "by himself" he wasn't he was there with his friends and left the group to look for a phone. Mr big mouth Jamal dreadlocks verbally assaulted him and his friends followed in suit and the guy freaked out and went nuts on them. How is that African American not facing charges for inciting a mob/riot???? He started it all got his friends stabbed and one killed and he started crying like a baby when what he started got out of hand that kid I human trash and should do at least a year or two for starting everything
@@deadmanswife3625 I wish that would be the final result, but it won't be. I am now on my 2nd full watch of all testimony and during the first, I rewound many times to proof their claims. These people will lie blatantly in their testimony, be challenged by the defense, then correct their lie. *Ryan did this many times and so did Dante, his brother and others.* The degree of perjury they committed is absurd, but the D.A. won't prosecute them and they all should be. Miu needs to be acquitted of all charges, then sue every single one of them in civil court for their perjury and false accusations. *If he sues in civil court and wins, it often puts enough pressure on prosecutors to criminally indict the people that lose in cases like this.* In reviewing the video in its full form now up to 20 times, I created a map of where everyone is but the camera creates a "road block" for most people due to framing and where it's pointed. Nicolae Miu was in fact surrounded immediately from every direction. He repeatedly tries to explain himself to everyone, and Ryan admits that he said he was looking for his snorkel once Miu lost it. Madison and Riley refuse to let him explain but he tries telling them twice, then puts his arm at his side, frowns and does not know what to do. At this point, AJ Martin, Dante and his brother have all blocked Miu just off camera, and another half dozen people are on their way that the two young women called for. The girls shove him, put their hands on him mocking him, then he has the knife in his hand. When they claim the punch happened, they all have a different version in testimony, and they all had a different story in their sworn statements to the sheriff's department, both of which are discredited by the video. When he supposedly struck her, *some claim she fell down into the water, others claim she clutched her face, but the video shows a drink in one hand and her cell phone and vape in the other.* The "prosecutor" should be disbarred for this. He built a case knowing all too well these little POS are lying. Once I created a map of where everyone was standing, and where they were coming from, Miu literally armed himself in the nick of time. *They were likely to start drowning him while showing off for the camera.* Every single one of them including the young adults saw an opportunity to make a viral viral video. *We hear Dante shout at them "they're just kids!" and refusing to let him explain himself. They claim he punches the woman at this point, and the video absolutely and conclusively proves that did not happen. Dozens of seconds later, he has in fact *stabbed* the woman, she exclaims that he punched her believing it was a punch in the stomach because she's so wasted, *and this is when the videographer says "he hit a girl?!" mocking and taunting him, but he had in fact stabbed her when they all surrounded him and he got up for I think the 3rd or 4th time at that point.* The more I review what factually happened, was said, and where everyone is located, the more I realize Miu didn't do something despicable but necessary as it initially seems. *He did something in the nick of time, and surely saved himself from grave bodily injury if not being killed by the drunken mob of deranged young people.* Never addressed in the video, one also says "He's looking for little boys!" but he had in fact said he was looking for his snorkel as 2 confirm, and they lied mocking him for fun.
At this point, I'm just wondering... Is it ok to disembowel someone who pushes you in the water? The guy gets hit what, twice? And tries to kill 5 people with a knife when all they have are bare hands. When is it ok to escalate to a deadly weapon?? I would understand if he was getting the living sh1t beat out of him, but he pulled the knife before he was even touched. And SMILED about it.
He was by himself surrounded by 11 people who kept pushing him into the water, punching, slapping him, cheering, and calling him names. He has every right to defend himself in this situation
Being outnumbered is called disparity of force and can justify lethal force, same way a 4’11” petite woman could be justified in using lethal force against a man that’s 6ft+ 200lb+ and “only using his hands.” More people die from hands and feet than by rifles in the US every year.
@@Z33ROno. If he showed his knife, the beating would've ended right then. He didn't even show or gave them a warning. This is more than defending for himself
the kids would've stopped attacking him if Miu showed his knife. So what you are saying is not what's happening here. Miu could've defended himself by showing the weapon alone. He didn't have to use it
m,any times they will charge for things they know wont get a conviction on because they really dont want one...and lets remember we had jury last year render a not guilty on delivery driver shooting an unarmed youtube prankster..which clearly the law saaid was not self defense ..people are getting sick of people harassing people for social media views
@@probrickgamer dude theres video the pranjster did noy impede his movement he said stuff to him as he walked..again there is video of the entire altercation from the ytuber not one lawyer said he should have gotten off look at all the reviews of the case its now used as a prime example how jurys can do what they want regardless of facts
He started the physical violence so he can’t claim self defense. He doesn’t get to stab people for calling him names and hurting his feelings. If that were the case, half the country would be dead. He was drunk and lost his temper. It’s his behavior after the fact that is the most disturbing to me. No guilt, no remorse, no concern for others. Sociopath.
@planetmarie he runs over to them and grabs them/their tubes, then later pushes Madison making her fall back several steps (according to his own friend's testimony).. causing the physical fight to begin.
I’m conflicted. He should have just left. But he didn’t. Then at one point they did mob him and I also would have feared for my life. But. I still haven’t seen enough. It’s just tragic a child lost his life over absolutely nothing. This should never have happened.
@@bromontana8100he could have simply answered them .. not to mention as a 50 something year old man you should know better then to let teenagers get best of you.. although i agree the kids were being a holes .. that’s not illegal .. that man could’ve walked away multiple times . yet he stayed and now so many people are suffering.
I’m conflicted. Kids should have just left. But they didn’t. Then at one point they did mob him and I also would have feared for my life. But. I still haven’t seen enough. It’s not tragic an almost mature and clearly responsible young lad lost his life over absolutely nothing. Things like this always happened.
these teens taunted him. he responded in a drunken stuper by coming to them. he could have just stayed away. i myself have been in simalar situation but walked away. I was at a park and taunted by a bunch of people who i gave no reason to mouth off to me. I was walking my dog and they didn't like my little 25lbs dog cause he is aggressive. I had him on leash and they still taunted me. What did I do? I walked away and said nothing to them. Probably 15 people drunk in a state park where no drinking is allowed. All you have to do is walk away. God Bless the victims family. They will never see or hear him again.😪😪😪😪😪
that’s because you have common sense, wherewithal, and are not consumed with pride. I’m sorry those people hassled you, especially while you were out with your pup.
@@kyleanderson2949 Me to one of my brothers friends got in a fight when he was walking his little . He was huge. He came to me to patch him up so he wouldn't have go to dr.s or hospital. He had family working there and he didn't want them to know. I ask about the other 2 He said . They would definitely have to go to the e.r. goodness mens pride.
They are going to find this guy guilty right off the bat. He should never have lied during his police interview. He also apparently got rid of the knife. This is just a horrible case. Crazy how people react when they have been drinking.
Agree. I don’t think his defense attorney is helping by continually referring to the teens trying to humiliate him. Imho that’s why he turned back towards them early on, put his snorkel in his mouth & both hands on one’s tube, out of humiliation. His atty claims he wasn’t drunk but, returned because he saw one holding a phone he thought might have been the phone he was looking for? Yeah, right. Also, his atty exaggerates an open hand slap he received & downplays him hitting the female. It probably was an open hand slap (both were) but, in the moment the crowd was yelling about him hitting (either way, slap or worse is still “hit”) the girl. The atty tried to make it sound like they made it up while talking to police. Imho only one atty seems to be reaching, twisting the facts to fit a narrative, making many assumptions, the defense. If I stabbed someone in self defense I’d call 911. Defendant showed consciousness of guilt.
You must have not listened very well. What sounded like this guy was going to prison actually turned out to be the victim. These kids started it and they lost a friend because of it
@@bromontana8100 Who was the first person to escalate the situation into a physical altercation? Miu when he hit the girl. You can’t seriously believe he feared for his life before anyone had touched him & they were laughing at him & telling him to go away. Even if he feared for his life, he had the option & duty to retreat. He chose to hit first instead of walking away, as they were repeatedly saying, “Go, get out of here, leave them/us alone.” Amazing how people let their biases defeat their logic, values & respect for the law.
If he wasn't able to walk away the ENTIRE time, then h*ll ya, defend yourself all day, but NOT with a KNIFE! You cannot justify using a knife or gun in a fist fight, especially when it was not self defense which means you could not get away. He started the situation, he chose to keep standing there, he chose to try and dispose of the knife and lie. Absolutely not self defense!! If he was THAT scared, which he WAS NOT, he could've ran back to his group, not run at the teens and tell someone to CALL 911. If they had continued to attack him once he ran away and tried to get away, that would've been self defense. Not the case at all here.
Opinions aside you absolutely can use lethal force in a fist fight under the right conditions such as being heavily outnumbered (13-1), being pushed under water (easily drown, threat to life, nowhere to retreat to (surrounded), another common example would be a petite woman being attacked by a 6ft+ 200lb+ man (this is called disparity of force). Also, initial aggression can be withdrawn, at which point the next person to instigate becomes the initial aggression. If words are exchanged that you started, then turn your back and start to walk away, then are attacked, you are no longer the initial aggressor.
Put yourself in his shoes surrounded by a bunch of drunk and violent bullies escalating the situation. That is a terrifying situation. If you had a knife you would defend your life if you thought you were in danger. It's called self defense
The guy should have left and went back to his group where his wife and friends were. Somebody tells you to leave them alone you don't stick around. If that would have been my wife she would have been there somthing wasn't right between them.
2:22:42 he is running to the group and starts grabbing at people. He brought himself to the group and lost his snorkel in the process. He won’t separate himself, keeps looking for his snorkel. 2:24:27 two women are close to him, separating him from the loudmouth guys. He then pushes/hits one of the women (what do you see here?) and then the group defends themselves. This guy put himself in the group and started the physical fight twice.
i’ve heard a couple people so far say that all he needed to do was “walk away”. Wrong!!!! All he needed to do was NOT approach the children/teens in the first place. He came toward the children knowing that he had a knife in his pocket. A grown man should know that children tease and they laugh. This defense lawyer being interviewed ( Derick Chavins lawyer), stating that he was being “threatened “ because they called him a pedophile. Well, guess what ? He was the one apparently asking for where the girls were and actually It really doesn’t even matter what the teenagers were saying because as an adult he should NOT have approach them. Secondly, you don’t get to claim that you were in fear when you walked towards the individual/group and therefore started the entire situation. You started the situation by 1) walking toward them and then 2) by allegedly punching the girl. So you don’t get to pull out a knife (or any weapon) and stab someone when you’re losing a fight that YOU started. So whether it be him, George Zimmerman, or anyone else who APPROACHES a child or an adult and then begins to cause issues, you don’t get to use lethal force on someone when you start losing the fight that YOU started. Then, the defense lawyers says it was 13 to 1 but his client approached the group. If they surrounded him it was after he was standing over the 2 kids sitting in the tube and tried to fight them!! He starts his opening statement halfway through the altercation. He would have not been punched had he not have punched the girl first. This is so clear to me. This is horrible.!!! Do his first language is know English but he knew enough to know what the kids were saying 🤔. If he felt so fragile then he should have started an altercation with 13 teens. The makes no sense.
This dude wanted to stab (or scare) someone that day. He was across the river from these kids, and chose to run over toward them. On the way over, he checked his pocket for the knife. Once he reached them, he weirdly grabbed one of the kid's inner tubes and touched his leg. He did that expecting them to respond aggressively. But they didn't. No one laid a hand on that guy until he hit a girl. *Then* they hit him. Dude was extra brave because of the knife. He was pissed and walking away would have been "weak" so he dove into this headfirst. He's absolutely guilty of first degree murder. The minute he ran at then checking for his knife, that was his ticket to prison for an extra long stay.
This man’s ego was his reasoning. He engaged and kept doing so. He’s the aggressor in my opinion. The kids were out of line but he could’ve called law enforcement or just ignored the words they were saying.
I don’t think a 54 y/o man is an “old man”. Everyone knows that a bunch of drunk teenagers usually act like idiots. A grown man should have enough since to turn around and walk away and definitely not pull a weapon. After drawing blood he should have definitely know he had gone to far, unless he has an anger issue he can’t control.
He was surrounded by a drunken group of teenagers mocking him, pushing him down into the water and holding him down ... if you try to hold me down in the water i would think you're trying to kill me! but i don't carry knives nor guns so i would have no way to defend myself so i would have to use my words ~ HELP HELP HELP
Self Defense 💯. Didnt see him hit the “woman”, there is no proof of that whatsoever. He got attacked 1st. Once they pushed him down, smacked him in the face and continuously pushed him down, they are the aggresors. When a mob comes after you like a pack of hyenas, you gotta do what you gotta do. Not guilty. These kids are stupid and intoxicated. He doesnt know what they will do once it started, they could have drowned him if he didn’t defend himself.
@@GraceMarieNeary-Nashvill-qs3pi You CAN but you'd literally have to be within an inch of whatever it is you're trying to see. not only that, but there weren't any girls that I saw in the tubes he was near.
Is anyone shocked by the particular 'teen' who was escalating things with his world star-esque "fo da culture" chant? The guy was surrounded and being attacked. No doubt in fear for his life and acted accordingly. These idiots FAFO.
Too many people watching all of this are also overlooking the video in a panoramic frame of mind with what it shows. He did go to leave and in his direct path was another half dozen people coming toward him. It's at this point the knife is in his hand and Ryan Nelson testifies that he punched one of the girls in the face, but the video shows otherwise. *When he is asked where he punched her, Ryan says "in the face I believe" and believe is used in a synonymous way with "I think" meaning, he is unsure because he did not actually see it and he did not see it because it did not happen.* When one says "he hit a girl?!" it's not until a barrage of attacks and a significant amount of time has passed from when they said he punched her, and when that is said, he had in fact stabbed her. *I am confident they used that moment in the video as an excuse and all lied saying he punched her, and the video discredits this as does the timeline of all events.* If he did strike her at points when the camera turns away, it is after he has been attacked multiple times. *They all also said it was a slap in their sworn statements, but when they reviewed the video and saw the knife was in his hand at the point he supposedly slapped her, their testimony for trial turned it into a punch since a slap was impossible.*
U can say the same thing for them. The kids could of walked away..Why was she in his face? She don't own the river and has no right to tell anyone to "go" let alone a grown ass man who was an elder who she should of respected.
Pretty weak argument. It's not reasonable to think none of the few dozen people in the vicinity would have lifted his head out of the water. Fear of getting punched, even getting punched, is no excuse for murder. Too many insecure tough guys who can't tolerate getting their ass beat go straight for a knife or gun.
@@zmancan5290yeah? What about the offending party makes you think they're going to make reasonable decisions in the moment? Is it the fact they were drunk, and had 3x the legal limit for an adult for blood alcohol content to drive? Is it the fact they were on drugs? Is it that they surrounded him and started pushing him into the water? You don't understand our legal system, plain and simple.
You clearly didn't watch the case at all. "why was he not with his group" - HE WAS LOOKING FOR A LOST PHONE, then he dropped his goggles, thought they took them, and was looking for the goggles. Like, seriously.
Watched every single minute and every video. He did not have to stab teens . That is obvious by the verdict. I get he had mental break. But you cannot do that. All kinds of wrong.@LiberalLoudMouth
Why didn’t the defendant say ‘I’m looking for a cell phone lost in the river’ instead of just acting creepy? That probably would have prevented the boys from getting freaked out and acting the way they did.
😮 no. Just NO. He doesn't owe anyone any explanation of what hes looking for in a public river! No more than those bully hoodlums have to right to tell him to 'leave thier spot '
Some of the kids heard him say something about a phone that's what prosecution says in opening statement. The underage boys were drunk and heard what they wanted
Because it's not no one's business on what the insert man is doing. Mind your own damn business and you wouldn't have been stabbed or murder. The old man didn't ask them what they where doing they confronted him.
Dude was acting weird and came at their tubes in their personal space imo he didn’t say anything bout a phone and continued to stay around loud obnoxious kids instead of keeping it moving. Those kids wasn’t trying to fight him not until he got violent with the female. 2 separate groups having issue with this guy and then FIVE people end up stabbed? He didn’t warn them off by saying he had a knife. I don’t think he guilty of first degree murder but imo at least 2nd degree or voluntary manslaughter. Kid wasn’t even a senior yet and lost his life smdh
After seeing the video.. Definately NOT GUILTY! The prosecutions version has done it`s job and painted this guy in different colours. Video says it all.
@@SmartDumbNerdyCool I’m supporter of safety and sanity ,not absurdity wrapped in violence. But hey, each to their own, even if it's a bit... unconventional.
I FEEL BAD CUZ MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS ITS THE MANS FAULT......THEN I WATCHED THAT FUCKlNG VIDEO, & HOLY CRAP, those teens were out of fucking control!!! If they werent underage & drunk (a crime in itself), my money bets none of it woulda happened. Its not the teens job to gatekeep the river, nor is it their job to engage in vigilante justice over a crime only they are accusing him of..... they'd had never met him in their lives!!!
WE ALL SAW THE VIDEO ONLINE! THEY PUNCHED THE OLD MAN THEN SLAPPED HIM ACROSS THE FACE THEN SHOVED HIS HEAD IN THE WATER THEN WHEN HE GOT UP THEY TRIED TO SHOVE HIM AGAIN AND IT WAS ALL SHE WROTE FROM THERE!
Mui had no business getting in their space. Hes creepy for doing that. The boys were minding their own business. Maddison came over and escalated things. Mui had tons of opportunity to leave. He was looking for trouble.
You’re gonna have to analyze that tape a little deeper and more carefully. Video begins by Niu running up to the black kid who’s recording and the girl next to him while they’re sitting in the tubes, and then Niu grabs them. I’d say that fits quite neatly in the category of assault or maybe even battery. Second, when the kids start their little humiliation ritual, Niu turns to face them and pulls a knife on them. Only after that do the kids ever put a hand on him. Having observed those details, who do you think attacked who?
Mui’s party was up river so he couldn’t have lost a phone near them, he was trying to get closer to the young girls. He was called out and he didn’t like that. He was walking away but turned back and went at them. You don’t fear for your life and turn back and try to intimidate.
Oh, sweetie. If you actually watched this. Youd know those girls werent even near the initial area where it went down. The girls walked over. Try again.
All these commentators saying they would have done it differently. Most people don’t know until they are surrounded by numerous people who are ganging up on them, threatening them and cornered. Drunken, bullies at that. A crowd like that becomes a mob when they decide to antagonize and threaten.
2:22:42 he is running to the group and starts grabbing at people. He brought himself to the group and lost his snorkel in the process. He won’t separate himself, keeps looking for his snorkel. 2:24:27 two women are close to him, separating him from the loudmouth guys. He then pushes/hits one of the women (what do you see here?) and then the group defends themselves. This guy put himself in the group and started the physical fight twice.
This Nick guy had military training. You can see it in his face when he looked at people when he stabbed them. The disembowelling of AJ was a prime example. Who can do that and look at the person in the eyes as they’re doing it?
Prosecutor to the second witness. Were you injured at all . Witness says no Did you lay a hand on the defendant witness says no... The prosecutor is killing his case The only people stabbed were the ones laying hands on him.
This is the dangers of mob mentality and a bunch of smart mouthed teens inciting violence through false accusations. I have no doubt that he was in fear for his life. This is why everyone should walk away. Everyone in this case who jumped in to "intervene" should have kept their hands to themselves. Could have been avoided in so many ways. SMH.
@@AliceWanderland_ yes I realize it. Just because you have the right to say what you want doesn't mean you should. And there is such a thing as false accusations. Calling him a pedophile (in so many words) can incite violence against him even though there was nothing to support that claim. Then people listen to that claim and escalate it. The fact that they were slinging accusations and calling people over to help would make anyone fearful for their safety. You never know what people are capable of. And just because you have the right and a phone in your hand doesn't protect you in the moment when dealing with someone who you have no Idea what they are capable of.
Watched the video, he guilty, not premeditated, but he could have easily just walked away. He rushed the group, can’t hit/slap push a women without expecting a reaction. The knife was ridiculous, fight if you wanna fight, these kids didn’t threaten his life. Tragic.
*walks away once *walks away twice *walks away three times *Gets surrounded on all sides, blocking his path back to his group "Why didn't you walk away, bro?" ~march9807
I was all for Nicolae at first, after even the opening statement of the state it’s pretty clear this was not self defence. He deliberately attacked these people when he could have just walked away. I’m all against drunk young idiots jumping people but literally nobody touched him. He punches a woman and proceeds to stab everybody back to back. The kids were not even aware of what was happening. When the video is depicted frame by frame the truth is revealed and seemingly very clear. It’s a tragedy someone had to lose their life over this. Had that been me I would have just walked away. Nicolae literally pulled out the knife even before anyone approached him. Take the time to watch the trial folks. It speaks for itself.
I’m not making excuses for the poor behaviour of the kids. HOWEVER…the defendant is a middle aged adult man, and I absolutely think the he should have known the shenanigans afoot and reacted appropriately. Instead of ignoring the group and therefore egging them on, he should have just answered them. Most of us have witnessed underage drunk kids in groups, and putting them in a spot to question the intentions and then purposefully ignoring them only made things worse. He is the “sober adult” and should have acted like one. They probably would have helped him look for the stupid phone. If everyone went around stabbing up unarmed drunk teenagers, the human race would be in short supply before long.
Exactly, you are the fuckin adult there, just let them have fun and move the fuck away. They are just stupid teenagers. Go and fight in your local bar with other boomers if you feel like it. Not on the fuckin river while everyone is having fun.
He was acting weird as he approached them. He barely said a word and could have communicated much more and better. So, of course they got a bad vibe. They didn't behave well. But, they told him to leave multiple times to the point that a second group came to help. They were ALL telling him to go away. He never should have hurt her. Of course they reacted to him doing that. He can't claim self defense after starting it.
Who TF does that woman Madeline thinks she is? Thats not her river, she has no right getting in his face & telling him where to go. He can go wherever he likes. Now Nikolai will die in jail, he is paying dearly & is being held responsible for his actions on that fateful day. But nothing is said about the crimes that were done to him. On the video you can clearly see him getting pushed & falling into the water, twice. Multiple people push him, hit him on the head, push him down again yet no one is charged. That is not fair.
Our news/social media culture is constantly telling us we should be afraid. Afraid of everything and everyone. This is unsustainable and woefully destructive. “He’s a pedophile,” believing teens are scary. Where are we headed as a country?
@@benfrese3573imagine you’re in your 50s in the river surrounded by over 10 young adults mobbing you. Pushing you into the water and striking you repeatedly. The one boy even ADMITS ON STAND he attempted to hold the elderly man UNDERWATER so the old man gutted him…. Seems like pretty cut and dry self defense to me
Those punks learned a valuable lesson. Luckily, it was an old man they taunted and not some harden criminal. I believe the only reason they messed with him was because he was old. I doubt if it was some jacked 6ft tall man they wouldn't have said anything.
Idgaf which way the defence tries to spin this, the guy stabbed a bunch of people, all because of some verbal exchanges...... this guy needs to go to prison forever! He's unable to cope with being in and around the population!
@@apriljoy1094 Since when do you start stabbing multiple people just for a fight? You know how many fights I've been in and never would have dreamed someone would've pulled out a knife and gutted me! He grossly overreacted! This was overkill! Than he tried to sneak away and hide his knife, I'm calling bullsh$t on self defense!
Guilty. He punched that young lady and that started everything. He could have walked away. He could have walked away. Instead, he punched a woman, hstabbed people, walked away and pretended that he didn't do ot then that he did but in self defense. Gulity
it’s funny how the group of boy who literally started it yet the da has the audacity to say Why didn’t the victim just walk away why didn’t he just obey a bunch of aggressive males ?? BUT WHY DIDNT THEY JUST WALK AWAY can’t believe the da even brought chargers 🤦🏻♀️ this is a clown show
I live in Wisconsin and this is a known place for a lot of alcohol consumption, young and old! Just because these young kids were drunk doesn’t mean they deserved this!
If Wi had “stand your ground,” it would be considered self defense. Who knows how it would have ended if he didn’t have a knife. The whole think is tragic! And they were loaded and out of control. Truly a tragic situation; with life long consequences.
Not a quick jab he cut open the one kid and cut the other kids heart in half with 2 ribs. A jab couldn't do all that....the one kid he did jab once the lawyer made fun of for only needing 2 stitches.
@@abd5441 yea if someone's calling you out properly. That's called triggered. What a mook you are. Zoomers just say words and hope they mean something. Add an lol to make yourself seem not insecure
When you have multiple victims self-defense in my opinion, goes out the window this isent a ritten house case he has a weapon, and no one knows... that's the difference. Knives are way more deadly than guns in these situations for self-defense, no "get away stop i have a kinfe im going to stab you" he just silently stabs 3 people
Yes" I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby" but that no reason to act in this violent way should have walked away from Especially if you been unwell with heart surgery!! Guilty I believe.
Did you not listen to any part of this video. He tried to walk away. They surrounded him and blocked him and continued to shove him down in the water. Are you deaf?
@@isabellacullin4884 I mean yeah I’m probably rude. I agree to that but you said he should’ve just walked away. If you would’ve watched the video, you would see he tried to walk away. Then they threatened him telling him he had 10 seconds and followed behind him.
Never in my 55 years on this planet have l ever heard of or seen anyone carrying a knife with swim trunks on. I have been making a living with a knife for more than 30 years. This just baffles me why someone would need to carry a while tubing on a river.
It’s really not that hard to figure out. if people fish on that river then he has every right to carry a knife at the river, especially because hes snorkeling. People who dive and snorkel carry knives so if they get caught up in fishing line, they can cut themselves free. Go look it up every smart person who dives or snorkels has some sort of knife tool for emergencies like I stated above. I’m also a woman who carries a pocket knife every day. How do I know this and you don’t?
I am 59 and a woman I carry a pocket knife for any out door activities because it gets used often. Swim trunks have pockets, so there is that. I don't see the defendant being aggressive even when being surrounded by a group of men. I have only seen the video. He couldn't get back to his group because the group was between him and his group. At least two people put hands on him.
In my opinion Choice of words can hurt Someone’s ego . but I didn’t hear no threats. They didn’t threaten to beat them up or hurt him or even threaten his life. They might have hurt his feelings or ego or pride, but that’s just words and you can’t take words personal, And sadly it led to an altercation because he had to prove himself instead of walking away from the situation. Ok he the fact was he was surrounded By a group of people but He walked into that crowd instead ignoring or walking away toward his group and he put himself in a situation where he may have been scared but then he struck first and then brought out a weapon. When everyone was telling him to just leave or go that’s going to be hard to prove that he did not want to stay and fight or the fact he didn’t want to leave. Once again, this is all my opinion not fact form your own opinion.
2:24:10 This is absolutely NOT self defense. He had plenty of opportunities to WALK AWAY. MIU approached them in the first place. MIU was the one to get aggressive FIRST. He had no reason whatsoever to pull out that knife or use it. Regardless of them instigating him and yelling and them putting hands on him (not ok either), it is not the same as pulling/using a knife on someone! It's not like he just poked one of them once with the knife either, he straight up slaughtered them/cut them open! This just shows why you should never instigate or start stuff with a stranger...you never know how crazy/PSYCHO someone is, or the lengths they will go when provoked and even if they are in the wrong! Whatever happened to just IGNORING people? Not everything needs a reaction, regardless of who is right or wrong. Do I believe he intended to murder the kid, NO. But he is definitely guilty of Murder 2 or manslaughter. He was in no way acting in self defense. This was not a life or death situation or a situation where he COULD NOT GET AWAY. Absolutely ridiculous and tragic and uncalled for! Then to go and get rid of the murder weapon, change his clothes, try and play off innocent bystander to the police and LIE. GUILTY AF. Some people are just not right in the head! Scary! Also makes me wonder given the look of crazy in his eyes/reaction, if he is in fact a pedophile like they were saying 😧😬
He had knife out before it got physical so guilty BUT big mouth behind the camera should be charged w inciting a riot or something hes the reason it escalated. He should be punished.
Someone punching you off your feet into water and punching you when you try to get up and others trying to hold you down with a crowd screaming at you is not getting "physical" to you? It got both physical and mental before he pulled the knife. Personally, I would have thought that they are aiming to kill me.
OF COURSE HE GOT THE KNIFE OUT BEFORE SHIT GOT REAL, GUMP LMAO...IT DOESNT DO YOU ANY GOOD TO HAVE A KNIFE, & NOT HAVE IT OUT BEFORE YOU GET ATTACKED LMFAO DUH!! AND ACTUALLY, HE GOT IT OUT AFTER HE WAS ROUGHED UP IN THE WATER....THERES NO KNIFE IN HIS HAND WHEN HES ATTACKED & PUSHED DOWN INTO THE WATER, SO STOP LYING. HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GET HIS KNIFE FOR SELF DEFENSE, AFTER HE WAS SHOVED DOWN INTO THE WATER. GET AN EDUCATION, JFC.
They "he called me bad names" defense is pathetic. Poor wittle boy had his fweelings hurt so he decided to remove people from society... permanently. Ridiculous. Anyone defending him belongs in a sanitorium.
It was noted in the opening statement of the defence that at least one phone was in a waterproof phone pouch, which are specifically made to float. I have one. It floats. So, “engineer guy” was correct that the phone could have flowed/floated downstream.
He hurt a woman in the face in front of group of people. What did he expect? Of course the defended her and had no idea what he would do next. So, they didn't get physical to him until after he punched her. I'm so done with him claiming self defense. He also lied and said they took his snorkel. No. He dropped it. He barely said a word. That was odd, VERY odd. That surely made the groups uncomfortable as he approached and then was near them and refused to leave. Not once did he ask about a phone, right??? Not once did he greet them and say, "Hey, my friend dropped his phone. I came over to look for it. ...." He was acting weird the whole time. A normal person would say the above or something similar as he approached or by the time he got closer to them. He said almost nothing, yet speaks several languages. It's weird! Why didn't he walk away in the beginning??? The phone was replaceable. Why did he pull out a knife instead of walk away?
There is no evidence he punched anyone. He did not need to discuss with them what he was doing on a river that is open to the public. It's not weird he didn't speak because English is not his first language. Amazing how you fail to mention they ganged up on him. I'm not excusing his actions. You seem like the type to sympathize with criminals, so these teenagers are right up your ally.
@goll58 So, a group of kids was minding their own business in their tubes and a stranger runs up to them, grabs their tubes, touches their bodies and does say anything as approaching and you think that's normal? Normal people don't run up to strangers, touch and move their belongings, then touch their bodies. If I saw you on a sidewalk and ran up to you, touched your purse or bags and touched your body, what would you do? They reacted. They definitely reacted badly. They aren't 100% innocent. But, he left his group and approached a group of strangers without saying anything like, "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone." He was acting weird. They reacted to a weirdo. They had no idea why he wouldn't leave. He was the one that should have gone back to his group. I'm looking at this in a non-biased way. They all could have behaved differently. But, he originally approached and touched the guys in the tubes.
@@goll58He's been in US for decades, is an engineer and can speak English fine. He went to high school in the US. Language is not the issue here at all.
@menarussell Lmao that is NOT what happens in the video AT ALL. He doesnt run up to them and wildely starts touching anyone. He seems pretty deamn calm, while he is being shouted at from a far, insulted and then pushed around.
I'm gonna say what nobody else is saying. It was the black kids fault. None of this would've happened had he not started trying to get video content. He started the ped*file accusation and chanting, he riled his whole group up. You can even see him approach Nikolae and push him ever so slightly to get him going. He caused the whole incident, he wanted the chaos for content and then somehow was able to back away from it all avoid injury and keep the camera rolling as he watches the aftermath of the chaos he started. Plain and simple had he not been there this never would've happened. Watch who you hang out with people, he wants content and he got it. Disgusting!!!
This is your assessment?!! So if someone spits on the ground it’s raining, right? Then as a result of that rain/spit we can then blame the spitter if a car is driving reckless and hits someone and kills them? Also you can stop attempting not to sound racist with your comment, as it is in fact racist! Please try harder to be a decent human, the animal inside is showing
He did admit on the stand he started calling him rapper even though he was there with his wife and friends so he shouldn't have been calling him rapper and pedophile for no reason he should have minded his business
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After opening statements I don't think those kids deserved to be stabbed but I do believe the man felt intimidated by a mob. Glad I am not a juror.
A case of "fuck around and find out". Teens can be brutal but nobody should have lost their life. The kids should have minded their own business and the guy should have walked away.
I agree with you but he intentionally put himself in that situation which is why I believe he should be found guilty. I think pride got the best of him and he confronted them knowing he had a knife in his pocket and could use the excuse of self defense if it went that way. I don’t think he was scared up until he actually got his shit rocked in the water.
He also fucked around and is going to find out stabbing someone gets you life in prison because it’s clear as day this wasn’t self defense.
@@RizziculousI thought the same thing as you. I hope you watch the whole case. cuz they attacked him first no where in video is he hitting anybody they all jumped him. He was looking for his phone minding his business he got swarmed and litterally jumped. If I was that guy I wouldn’t have used a knife because I’m young and know how to fight but he’s old and clearly out of shape so he has every reason to be scared for his life in this situation. He didnt hit anybody or stab anybody until he got jumped.
@@donovahnnduhaney7608 Yeah I actually agree with everything you say. I do think he was scared for his life and was being attacked but context should matter and I think he put himself in that situation INTENTIONALLY when he easily could have avoided the whole thing. Some people love confrontation when they're adrenaline is up. And I come to that conclusion because he RAN up on them in a threatening manner grabbing at their tubes knocking them off. At that point he made first contact when he didn't have to in my eyes. That's regardless if they were screaming at him... doesn't give someone the right to come at you like that. And theyre saying he threw the first punch on top of that. There were just too many opportunities for the stabbing to be avoided and although those kids did antagonize him the old guy also made choices that lead to death which he should be held accountable for.
@@donovahnnduhaney7608 and I will be watch the whole trial. Need to catch up to day 2 and 3 later.
And this doesnt matter in terms of finding him guilty or not but I do have a feeling he was being a creep and checking out girls. The water is knee deep if that and it doesn't appear to be that murky so why the snorkel? I might have missed this but was the phone ever found or was it proven he lost it at the river?
Unfortunately when you Fuck around you have no way of knowing the level of Find out you're going to experience.
Yup. You don't know who you messing around with. They could have a gun and a crazy man/woman
Poppopp
You're right. He'll definitely find out when he spends the rest of his life in prison!
That freaking part!!!!
The reason Miu lied about the knife is because he was raised in the United Kingdom where it is illegal to defend himself with a knife.
It is an automatic not less than 4 years for selfdefense with a weapon there.
One of the drunken youths started calling Miu a pedophile and that incited the crowd's anger and hate against Miu. Things escalated from there. 😢
Yes but Miu was the attacker. The kids being jerks is not legal grounds for lethal use of force.
@@LetsberealishHe was attacked fell into the water where was still being attacked. He defended himself. He's on his back in the water being hit by multiple people he didn't know what was going to happen he panicked and defended himself. These guys stories are different than what they reported and different than what the video shows. They conveniently only remember what they want to remember to make their story. Their liars they pursued and attacked this man. The man fought back now their scared little kids. Instead of taking responsibility for taking part in their friends death they are trying to hang this man for their mistakes. They should be charged.
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Miu was looking for a lost phone. The drunken youths harassed then attacked him. He then defended himself. The big question is, who threw the first punch?
@@Paul-fq4mm the problem is he was carrying a knife and killed and injured others - why oh why carry a knife.If everyone went around stabbing for being yelled at, well there’d be dozens of murders daily . Plus Miu is an adult and SHOULD HAVE walked away🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🙄🙄
@@Letsberealishare you mentally impaired ?
I know one thing. If I am ever in trouble, I want the defendant's lawyer! I think the evidence so far shows that it was reasonable for him to be intimidated. I am not saying what he did as a result was okay, but it does indicate he had a reasonable doubt for his safety. When this case first happened, the media made it seem like a mad man with a machete started randomly attacking young people. So, I went into it already convinced the guy did things just like they said. We don't live too far from here and it is a big party venue. Many people are out of control with their drinking and there are fights. If you have teens, it is best not to let them go tubing unless at least one responsible adult is with their group and is nearby.
He was that’s why he had his hand on the knife from the start because he wanted to use it
The defense lawyer got on my nerves with the number of times he said “right?” I lost count.
He's reincarnated Rasputin the murdering mad monk! Just look at him smirking! He wasn't scared. He was a predator like a 🐊 in the water. Kids had no chance!
Being called names by a bunch of teens isn't intimidating or else he would've left. Instead he stayed and stabbed 5 people.
@@fatee5069 💯 He also could have shown the knife as a warning at any point which I'm absolutely sure would've caused those kids to back tf off. Instead, he chose to slay some defenseless kids.. literally the only thing they had as a weapon was a freaking inner tube. It's wild to me that so many people are defending this dude.
These videos are so interesting. Seeing all the work lawyers do before trials, now it makes sense why it takes years before a trial starts..
And they have multiple cases going on
I know, and how do they manage all the different cases, and also get paid on a routine basis
This is why we don’t hang around young stupid people drinking alcohol.
And old stupid people drinking alcohol...
Yeah, he should’ve kept walking when he initially headed upstream back towards his group, instead of turning back & charging at the teens & grabbing their tubes. This is why you don’t hit a girl telling you to go away, while surrounded by drunk teens you claim to be in fear of you life of, that are all laughing & saying go away. Miu escalated the situation multiple times & had both the option & duty to retreat. He escalated the situation to violence by being the first commit assault. Ditching the weapon & lying to investigators show consciousness of guilt. If you stabbed anyone would you discard the knife, not tell anyone & lie after arrest?
@@abd5441 again …. This is WHY we DONT hang around young STUPID people drinking alcohol. I said what I said . Don’t gaf about your feelings. You weren’t there . Foh
AGAIN- this is WHY i DONT hang around young stupid people drinking alcohol. It NEVER ends well .
Idgaf what happened , I don’t put myself in situations like that . And yOU weren’t there. 🤡@abd
@@PatriotafVenisegood for you Karen.
Nothing good ever comes out of drinking and drugs
Especially while being young. Already cant control your impulses and actions.
I couldn't understand how someone could just stab people for any reason, until I found out he's a Mexican. I'm 61 and grew up in East LA and there is nothing like Mexicans for going around stabbing people with knifes for little or no reason. I've seen it hundreds of times. I've had them pull switchblades on me several times for no reason.
Not true.
@@wilsal2485 you must live off the government to make a statement such as this
Well other than most Beatle, Stones, Dead and Dylan albums anyway...
My opinion has massively changed after witnessing the video. This guy stabbed one kid in the gut and pulled the knife upward…that takes some thought and effort. Whether he felt threatened or not, the rowdy kids/young adults didn’t have weapons, this was overkill. He literally brought a knife to a fist fight. Neither group is in the right but I do wonder about Mr Miu’s thoughts and intentions…he IS smiling at some point and seemed to be very calm and controlled after the stabbings, not devastated by his actions or frightened enough to call police or approach them when he saw them. He would have walked off and gone home no issue. His wife is a sour-faced lump of belligerent misery too.
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"pulled the knife upward" - can you prove that? because I don't see it and I've watched the video... a lot. that kid with the abdominal scar was worked on by our fine medical experts who gave him the scar he ended up with. so sad.
Yesw his wife is, the old saying birds of s feather...... etc yes?
He didn't pull it upwards that guy was pushing backwards he was meditating when he meditated the knife went upwards. Notice anybody that got stabbed was coming at him he didn't chase anybody. Facts matter.
I just feel he didn't come for a fight.
Wow this all happened so fast..... It's unbelievable that something can escalate so quickly and end so badly😮😮
When outnumbered and get knoked underneath water with health issues😢
Wonder how different this would’ve gone if alcohol had not been a factor 🤔 who gave the minors alcohol? They should definitely face charges as well imo
Yeah the elephant in the room...😮
I’ve been waiting for them to ask the question “who bought the alcohol” I seriously agree about charges.
@@JAJJABLOG ME TOO!!!!
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Alcohol does crazy things to people. I had a family member black out and physically assault me for no reason. There was nothing to provoke such a thing. I just remember feeling my hair at the back of my head getting torn out, I was on the floor, protecting my face from getting kicked in. I’ve never given anyone a reason in my life to hurt me like that. I will never trust another drunk again, for any reason.
People who think he's not guilty are insane. Walked up and created the altercation had hand on his knife in preparation, began stabbing wildly when he lost ground, didn't flee in fear or panic for his life just walked away into the sunset like a fucking hitman.
They ganged up on him and tried to drown him for absolutely no reason they should have been offering to help him look for his phone they were supposedly business people I wouldn't want to do business with any of those punks
Tried to drown him ? Please 😂 with all those “teenagers” around him, if they really wanted to drown the older man, they would’ve . He wouldn’t have had a chance if that was there actual intent . Be realistic and stop just saying shit to sound smart . You act like these teens were out looking for him and caused a scene . That man clearly went over to a area the teens were occupying, and we know what takes place after that. Had that man minded his business and left them damn kids alone, we wouldn’t be having this conversation now would be. Both sides could’ve handled things way differently but if one was to point the finger, how could you not point in the direction of the person who created the situation to begin with. Be for real .
@@pacmanAce don't jump too far with your logic nobody said WHAT kind of trouble they were looking for that day.
yes they were pushing him down in the water repeatedly. Attempted murder. if they felt so threatened by some guy looking for 18 year old girls lol.
Which was a straight up lie because every one of them is lying especially the one who said oh I had experienced arbitrating fights with grade school so that's what I was trying to do yeah okay buddy sure we believe you hopefully said no juror I guess it's the same with him feeling threatened and he's getting attempted murder charges on the punks who didn't die. They've had 18 months to get this BS story together and the only one smart enough to say she was so drunk she absolutely does not remember is the old blonde girl with the warts on her face
@@deadmanswife3625 I see you overlooked a lot of what I said with the way you responded lol . NOBODY needed to say whether they were looking for trouble or not. The fact is they were in their own group and space, not bothering anyone. And the whole reason the situation even became one is because the older man invades there group and then both side made poor decisions to handle the situation. Again not to excuse how the teens escalated things by bullying the man but cmon seriously.. the video shows clear as day that there’s literally nobody behind him the moment he pulls the knife out . Which means he was not cornered, and if he really felt like his life was “in danger” at that moment, he had plenty of space to leave the situation. He chose not to. Not to mention he also did not brandish his knife nor give any verbal warnings which will make his defense much more difficult in terms of self defense. Plus never looks good to lie to police and Ditch the murder weapon after the fact 😊
@@pacmanAce I'm waiting to see how the murder weapon was ditched.
These are professing "businessmen "
Should've asked if they could help the approaching stranger.
The government should get a refund for that tuition.
In any case it's up to the jury.
I know no one who acted that way at that age.
My parents never allowed comingling with that mob attitude. They got a lot wrong but I think they got that strictly enforced rule correct. Great chatting with you Ace ❤😊♠️
The fact that Mr Miu lied and lied and lied some more tells me the stabbings were not in self defense. He threw the knife away! And if you really look at the pictures, Mr Miu does not look scared, he looks crazy.
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If you look at the video, the kids look less afraid.
@@strawbricketteshortcake5460what’s your point?
He had no reason to lie. It's all on video. I can see why he would. Based on the actual events the guy protected himself. He was surrounded by these animals. Disgusting that he was even arrested. No way he will be found guilty
The kids look and sound crazy. He walked away. He was surrounded by animals. Drunk animals. He jabbed them.. maybe they shouldn't have been so close to him
Alcohol + Idiots = Disaster.
I feel bad for ALL involved. It was a very unfortunate thing all around.
Wow this video does not help the prosecution... says it all to me
?????? What the heck are you smoking? A guy slapping a woman, hiding a knife by his side, slicing it from the belly to the throat of one kid and slashing the others all while smirking like he's superior to them? I guess the rest of the jurors were thankfully not biased in the way you seem to be. Wow. Just can't believe anybody would think anything this guy did was justified. Maybe yelling back. Maybe even hitting one of the GUYS. MAYBE getting into a brawl. But pulling out your concealed knife and attempting to murder them all? C'mon people... I just can't with the "victim" mentality here....
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Ty Paul well put. I feel that he could have walked away
And at one point t he ran back to the tube
He wanted to show something
I'm wish it had never happened
.have a very nice day sir
The defense needs to close out with the video footage slowed all the way down and without sound and allow the jury to make their decision based on the video, evidence and the testimony that they have seen.
I agree 100%
Everybody forgets to mention how scary it is when you're in the water and people are pushing you down or pulling you down when you're just playing around now imagine being around so many angry drunk and high teenagers bigger than you? I honestly put myself in Nick's shoes and I feel like I want to get anxiety.
Get u voted biden
That’s what I mentioned in another video he was terrified did you know they look like they were going to drown them there like they were lynching mob they found Frankenstein you know meanwhile Frankenstein never touched that little girl they’re yelling out pedophile rapist that’s scary that’s the most disgusting person in the world and they’re calling it at him and people are in a mob did terrified for the children they want to kill the monster that’s like scream in shark 🦈 and there’s no shark 🦈 I say it was the black guy that was videotaping his faults poor Isaac is not here today because of that man that enticed the riot gathered his little mob to attack this man to get a video so that he can get paid $1000 on UA-cam I feel so bad for Nicholas his mommy it’s a horrible situation what happened may he rest in peace I feel so awful I want to know what happens because I see an innocent man it’s gonna go to jail for his life if people don’t realize what part they had in this
I get it Nic was pushed and shoved in the water 2 times with 13 drunk/ high teenagers and inner- tubes surrounding him, shouting, cussing and harassing him. He made a bad/ prideful decision to bring out the knife. Split second choices and someone dies. Why was he even around the kids in that area, not speaking acting weirdly?
Many were in their twenties ⁉️⁉️
@@CaraMills0106 The teens were laughing, weren’t angry until he hit the girl. She was yelling at him but, yelling for him to leave, as the evens had been. In that moment, he could’ve walked away, instead he chose to hit the girl. He was the first to commit assault, he escalated the situation to violence. Can’t create a threatening situation, then claim self defense. He also had a duty (& many opportunities) to retreat.
The people saying this guy is innocent and "self defense" yall need to get your head checked. Both parties were in the wrong but Miu is not innocent.... if he was he wouldve told the police the truth. What was clearly shown on the video and what he told the cops were two wildly different stories. 49:59
I can’t believe the idiots here saying self defense. Yea if he would’ve started walking away and they kept on harassing maybe. He just stayed there. AFTER walking up to them. You can call anyone a pedophile. Doesn’t mean you can assault them. He wanted an altercation and look at him now. Now he’s not going to worry about being called a pedo, he’s actually a murderer now.
@@Alainn305😂 he did walk away and they followed him. What fking video are you watching? It was self defense. End of story
@@apriltortorici9810 Clearly in the beginning he came to the boys while they were laying on their tubes with his knife out. He should have ignored them and not approached them.
@@Alainn305 it's a public space he is allowed to stand near them
@@user-rb8nc7gb9uhe came to them because he thought his friend dropped a phone in that area
Go back to the video right before the guy yells, he hit a woman, and you will see the kid in the yellow shorts shoving him back down in to the water twice, and after the 2nd shove he stabs him. Clearly self defense. The man had to be terrified, being surrounded and not knowing if they would try to drown him next.
And the guy in the yellow shorts punched the guy three times…but had a can of beer in his left hand the whole time…and did the punching to defend the 13 kids in the mob…
I agree. How can anyone see this isn’t self defense?
I agree, and don’t hate me .. but my only cause for pause is; if he was as scared and threatened of the crowd (which he had every right to be) why not be the one to call cops and say “I was basically jumped, and harassed, exc” and give his account of his fear then and there, but again you never know how you’ll react to a situation until your in it … but I agree - self defense - tragedy someone lost their life of course, tragedy it all happened in the first place - I just don’t understand if he was so shaken up why he didn’t cal for help as the original “ victim” (if you will) … anyone else?? Pls don’t come for me 🙊
@Prettylittlecrimes Id say because he was on edge. He was surrounded
@@Prettylittlecrimesanother thing.. I think he lost his phone
I get tired of everyone trying to justify their behavior ohctheir just 17 year old boys. Quit making excuses this is why things happen like this they belive they can do what they want with no consequences
You’re so dumb you don’t see the irony! 😂 The same applies to the old guy as well. He’s about to find out his actions have consequences too. Life in prison
@@PeepingEarsthat justifies ANY human defending themselves.
@nanacakes110. . So in your view it's just kids being kids??
if you need someone to be charged the adult who let them drink should be the one charged he wasnt supervising some kids he got drunk.@@PeepingEars
@@PeepingEarsOMG it’s your attitude that allows this horrid little generation get away with anything they do…no consequences.. no fault… no penalty. It is the worst tragic outcome and this man shouldn’t go without punishment…but people need to stop mollycoddling kids… teach them right from wrong punish them when misbehaving and for the love of god love them
2:34:48 I watched the video again.
He ran up to them, grabbed their tubes, touched their bodies.
When they reacted and told him to leave, he TRULY should have said a lot more in response and should have walked away. I repeat, HE RAN up to them, touched their tubes and legs. That can be considered assault, right?
The group was wrong to yell and touch him. But, he wouldn't leave. They never needed to leave their own gear. Anyone saying they could have walked away, is forgetting he left his group and ran up to strangers, getting right up in their personal space.
A normal person would not run over and would have said something like "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone." A normally functioning human doesn't approach like he did and continues to stand around and barely say a word.
They were reacting to a very oddly behaving man.
They could have reacted better. But, they just wanted to be left alone.
He deserves life. I wouldn't trust him in public ever again.
He even put his hand on his hip. He reacted with a knife, still not saying anything. He never yelled for help. He never acted like he wanted to leave. He just attacked. He wasn't acting normally the whole time.
The multiple lies he told afterwards are also huge factors. He brushed it off like nothing happened, tossed knife, tried to leave the river with his group unnoticed and got caught.
He never intended to talk to police.
He's lived in the US since before graduating high school. He can speak English.
I believe he has undiagnosed mental illness. I can't blame all this on shock or panic because of the odd behavior from start to finish.
No one normal runs up to a group and touches their gear, their bodies and stands around barely saying a word.
If he really wanted a phone, why don't we hear him saying that to them multiple times. He wasn't talking much at all.
They reacted because he was acting weird, crazy.
So, for him to claim self defense, he must 1st explain why he approached them the way he did. He asserted himself to a group of guys minding their own business.
This is the most accurate comment I’ve seen yet.
Thank you!! A lot of people need to read your comment , I can’t believe so many people are siding with the old man
"He ran up to them, grabbed their tubes, touched their bodies"
And had he stabbed them at this point, you'd have a point. This interaction had nothing to do with whether he was defending himself later because that situation was no longer present. Minutes went by after this.
"When they reacted and told him to leave, he TRULY should have said a lot more in response and should have walked away."
And the young adults shouldn't have been drunk, screaming, and calling him a raper, etc. He DID speak to the adult females that came up to him afterward, but they didn't listen to what he said. You can see him pleading his case to them and them ignoring him.
"The group was wrong to yell and touch him."
"Touch" him? They punched him. They "touched" him multiple times prior to him being punched, knocked into the water, then punched again and pushed. Those aren't "touched" but physical assaults.
"They never needed to leave their own gear"
They shouldn't have left their own gear but they did, actually. They chased him down.
"anyone saying they could have walked away, is forgetting he left his group and ran up to strangers, getting right up in their personal space. "
Incorrect - he left his group to find one of the people's phones. This is a fact. He thought those drunken teenagers had the phone. He shouldn't have run up to them, sure, but he thought they had the phone. If you thought someone had your phone would you confront them? Also, those young adults didn't just "happen" to start recording. They began recording because there was conversation about the phones and asking if he could see the phone, believing it was the phone he was looking for. It probably wasn't, but had the young adults not been drinking illegally, they probably would have been able to understand the situation, but they were drunk, in a group, and they didn't.
"A normal person would not run over and would have said something like "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone." "
Your comment is as if you believe the interaction between them began the moment the phone began recording. He did tell them he was looking for a phone. The young group were too drunk to comprehend what was happening and likely thought it was strange to have a stranger asking to see their phones, which it would be, but they were too drunk to realize he was looking for a phone, which he was.
"They were reacting to a very oddly behaving man. "
By punching him, knocking him down, striking him while he's down, and trying to push him in the water? Is that how YOU react to an odd man?
"They could have reacted better. But, they just wanted to be left alone."
ROFL - they CHASED. HIM. DOWN. Literally they followed him, surrounded him, put hands on him . . . . I think they could've done a lot more than "act better."
"He even put his hand on his hip."
Clearly out of frustration that he was being surrounded by drunk people who kept touching him and two adults that had just grabbed him and yanked on him when he was trying to find his goggles that fell out of his hand.
"He reacted with a knife, still not saying anything."
He pulled out a knife and never once stabbed anyone until he was physically assaulted, then was aggressed by people. He stabbed them as they came at him. This is how a knife is used in defense.
"He never acted like he wanted to leave. "
He very clearly acted like he wanted his goggles back, which he believed they had because it went under their tubes and didn't come out the other side.
"The multiple lies he told afterwards are also huge factors. "
He did lie and that was a huge mistake, but that doesn't mean he wasn't defending himself. It means he made a bad decision after being attacked by 13 people and stabbed several of them when they attacked him. You don't know how you'd react to it - he made a bad choice. I can certainly understand why someone would not make a good choice after all that happened.
"He never intended to talk to police."
Again, he had just been assaulted by multiple people, stabbed several of them, and didn't make a good choice, but that still doesn't mean that in that moment he wasn't defending himself.
"I believe he has undiagnosed mental illness. I can't blame all this on shock or panic because of the odd behavior from start to finish. "
You believe = conjecture based on nothing. You can't blame it on shock or panic because you don't want him to be found innocent. His behavior wasn't odd to me. While I wouldn't have done what he did, I can certainly place myself in his shoes and understand, with ease, why he would do it.
"No one normal runs up to a group and touches their gear"
Do normal people gang up on old people 13 to 1 after surrounding him, completely, with no way to exit other than through the people surrounding him? Is THAT behavior normal?
"If he really wanted a phone, why don't we hear him saying that to them multiple times"
Because the interaction with them started prior to the recording. The fact that you believe the first interaction with him was when the camera started rolling proves that you aren't necessarily capable, or willing, to remove the bias of how terrible the situation is and wanting to blame someone for kids being stabbed and one dying. The conversation with them started prior to this.
Even if it hadn't - even if that's literally the first time that they talked - what he did in that moment had zero bearing on whether or not, in the exact moment of the stabbing, he felt like he had to defend his life. You can't seem to understand that those situations are all separate parts. If someone punches you and you don't react, you don't get to walk up to them a minute or two later (or even 30 seconds later) and punch them back. That's not how this works. The situations are separate things.
You don't get to blame him for their actions, but that's what you're doing. He did what he did, which was run up to the tubes and try to stop them to get a phone he thought they had (which certainly isn't okay). But what THEY did after is yell, scream, call names, etc., which isn't okay either. He had walked away from them after this and they followed him. Those are three distinct and separate incidents. The assault was yet another incident. The only relevance the lead up had was "how did this make him feel when he was being assaulted" - it made him feel threatened, even if he ran over to them. He was still threatened and THAT is what self-defense is about. He didn't commit a crime - they did. Their crime led to the stabbing.
"So, for him to claim self defense, he must 1st explain why he approached them the way he did. "
First of all, he did explain why. He was looking for his phone, but secondly, he doesn't have to explain that to claim self defense as it had no bearing on how he felt while he was being punched, slapped, and pushed into the water.
Exactly. Both parties behaved poorly, but to say the man is completely blameless in the incident is incorrect. He definitely instigated an odd situation causing a group of dumb kids to react. Were the kids wrong to act like brats? Yes. Was he wrong to stand around and stay in a situation he created, continuing the confrontation? Yes. Everyone made poor decisions, but was the man completely blameless and a poor victim of a pack of bullies that came after him unprovoked? Absolutely not. And frankly, it seemed like he wanted to have a reason to "defend" himself from the footage. Like he poked the bear just to stab the bear when the bear reacted.
As an adult in this situation walk away and don't get out a knife and brandish it these kids shouldn't have been stabbed to death!!
They ain’t kids. They approached him and tried to bully him. Teach your kids that the real world ain’t the fucking internet and maybe this won’t happen
@@jamesd7495 Thats right. You mess with the bull, sometimes you get the horns. Parents should have been teaching these little turds to keep their hands to themdamnselves. I'm sure nobody would have been stabbed had they just talked sht and to the man and never touched him. Sht didn't get REAL until they put their hands on that man.
@@jamesd7495Yea they ain’t kids but they didn’t just approach him they didn’t even know him his group wasn’t even near them he separated from his group and ended up by the teens stop lying
@@DangerouslyLegal the dude was snorkeling and the “kids” group came up on him.
@@jamesd7495he had a knife and SHOULD have walked away and STAYED away NOT stabbed people🤷🏻♀️🙄
Self defense This is what happens when parents don’t raise their kids properly.
Raise their kids properly? They came to the aid of young girls being harassed. He punched one of them.they asked him to leave repeatedly. He left and came back. He wasn't scared he was mad. Those boys were defending the girls from a perv going under their tubes get it right
First off he came to them. So he put himself in the situation. Second he punched his friend which lead to him being pushed. Third I hope u have no kids cause just because u think u raised them right they out with their friends drinking u mean nothing to their thoughts. Hope u have no kids.
Blood alcohol level of 2.1 at 17 yrs old. Continually shoving a man twice your age in to the water, and if you were paying attention he was walking away when they started yelling at him and calling him a pedophile
@@anywhoToYou pretty sure it was .22
I can hear the prosecutor whispering the questions to the prosecutor asking the questions. Is the prosecutor in training during the trial?
I don’t know specifically because I don’t know much about this case, but it’s pretty common for someone to be keeping track/adding/subtracting/changing the order of questions as each witness answers so the other lawyer can concentrate on presenting each question with clarity. It’s really unlikely it’s any sort of training. Law clerks/interns can participate in active cases, but it would be really weird if that was going on for a big, publicly available case. Regardless, would’ve been great if somebody in audio figured that out and didn’t allow the mics to pick up constant whispering lol
It was stated that Isaac had a BAC of .22. If the dude weighed 150lbs then he'd have to consumed close to eight beers to have that kind of BAC. His friends claimed that he was the "most sober of the group".
How's that relevant? Lmao
Drunk and stoned people make crappy decisions.@@fatee5069
they are a liars
Who cares?
@@HeidiFord-b1y eh the jury?
They tried to lynch a guy because he was a suspected pedo rapist for snorkeling.How dare he snorkel 😱
Clearly he was looking in the water for some kids! They tend to gravitate towards places children hang out like parks, schools, bottom of a riverbed….
@@tinawindham6958😂
@@tinawindham6958 exactly..i took it as a joke(if it even happened). apparently the kids took it literally
@@tinawindham6958no females were there initially... He was looking for cell phone and the water was 10 inches so the most he would see is ankles!
@@ddbug7342yes if he said it at all… it would’ve been sarcasm…stupid thing to say to drunk teens but nevertheless he was being obnoxious as well
Why did the kid keep videoing while his friend Isaac was right next to him bleeding out? Why not try to help Isaac? Heartless.
The phone was on a landyard in a protective pouch around his neck.. he started recording and it was just dangling there. He wasn’t holding the phone the entire time.
Stupid. Those drunk kids started the fiasco by calling him as a pedofile, he was then pushed and punched making him fear for his life. Now the perp actions after the stabing was wrong, he shoulda stayed and defended his actions. Those kids were cowards even failing to assist their fallen friends, useless they just wailed and watch one die in frint of them.
For proof of what happened to get justice for his friend. The video will put him Away!!!!
@@snowflakesandsnowstorms3434what an idiot
So sad that this happens a lot. It even happend to me. Not that I was stabbed! But that bystanders, even friends record you instead of helping you.
The number of people saying that this man is innocent is equal parts disgusting and disturbing. He approached a group of teenagers not once, but twice, without exchanging a word to them when they ask him what he's doing or why he's by them, instead just staring at them like some kind of psycho. I would have accused him of being a pedophile too.
Regardless of what they were calling him, he started the physical altercation by hitting a woman. And even before that, he was grabbing at the teens legs and flipped one of their tubes. The boys responded in the way men should when another man strikes a woman by acting in her defense. He had every opportunity to walk away, or communicate in any fashion, before that point. After the retaliation, he the proceeds to literally disembowel someone, kill a teenager, and injured others with a knife. This. Is. Not. Self. Defense. This is not some feeble 50+ year old man, he is clearly physically capable.
And i don't agree with the people saying that this started with a bid for TikTok clout. He was a weird old man getting into the space of teenagers (wearing nothing but swim trunks), staring not responding to them questions his presence, and deserved to be recorded at that point.
Agreed
Agree. Why wasn't he talking to them more as he approached them.
"Hi, I'm looking for a phone." He barely said a word the whole time.
It doesn't matter where he's from. Being cautious if not in best shape due to heart, is even more of a reason to behave better than he did. Normal people would be talking more as they approached a group, wouldn't go touching strangers underwater, etc.
He acted very strangely. They reacted. They didn't behave great either. But, he never needed a knife in this situation. They kept telling him to go away and he didn't. I think something is wrong with him mentally. I have known several people who appear normal until you know them personally. I know a couple of psychopaths that act normal but, they have a very bad side and have hurt people. His ex is also quite off, odd, too. I watched her video. She said she wasn't sure when his quadruple was, said, maybe 2020. She has oddly selective memory. What wife forgets that special day? None!
No way...the idiot behind the phone is 100% to blame
Not guilty of 1st degree…JMO
Agreed
He harassed and killed people.
Both parties are wrong if you can't see that then something is wrong
@@QVINTVS_MAXIMVSwho started this fiasco?
@@EricaBaker2023🤦 really?.... obviously the old man
Whoever constantly clicking his ballpoint pen QUIT
I also hear someone typing. I'm assuming its the court reporter. It is annoying and distracting.
Clicker pens should be illegal for attorneys to own
@@robincunningham8366I believe it is the prosecutor with the typing because I kept paying attention to the clicking and it synched with his. It was annoying lol
I think it is clicking the video frames forward with a mouse or keyboard, not a pen. Not nearly as concerning as picking up the whispering from the attorneys’ tables but maybe the same hot mics.
@@mimito3boys heck why not a potus exec order outlawing clicker pens for all Americans. of course the invaders would continue to carry them 😂
This happens to be the most unprepared prosecutor ever!
drunk and 17 whoever let that happen should be the one charged with murder.
I’m early on into watching but group of 17 people with many young drunk teen males harrasing and tries to drown the dude ….. waiting to see if he did actually hit the women first and boys then responded. Hard to tell yet
I did not see him hit her. These teens are scary. We need to watch this trial closely friends . This could happen to any of us. It’s getting worse everyday.
@@karend.SKYWARN no but, multiple people yelled on the video about him hitting the girl right when it happened. Also, his defense atty confirmed he hit her, never denied it; he only distinguished that it was an open hand slap (still a “hit”) & not a punch. Then, he tried diminishing the open hand slap the defendant gave the girl but, embellished the open hand slap the defendant received. Ironic that nearly every person that sides with the defendant is an older person, often griping about today’s youth or disrespectful, scary teens. Hope the jury isn’t full of easily triggered boomers lol. Fwiw I’m closer to the defendant’s age.
Its like Broken Telephone one person starts shet the rest stumble words. @@abd5441
Please, don't act as if 17 year old drinking and smoking a little weed is scandalous.
This first young man is traumatized from the event you can see it on his face. My heart breaks for all involved.
They decided to attack and intimidate a 50 yo man.
He is an idiot
They put themselves in that situation
That smirk while holding the knife says it all. At that moment, he decided to stab as many people as he could. If kids are mocking you, walk away. His ego wanted to teach them a lesson.
But he didn't start stabbing them TILL HE WAS TOUCHED. What lesson was he teaching just standing there?
No I didn’t get that from that still picture, thought he was trying to not let ‘words’ bother him… he retaliated once he was attacked
@@jpjpthatguy9513 He slapped the female 1st. He initiated physical contact
Yep
@@paradisesunprincess He allegedly slapped her. This claim is problematic, however, and unfortunately the footage pans away for about 2 seconds during witch this was supposed to have occurred
Also he told police the kids pull knives on him and they didnt talk about that how he lied to police about the kids have weapons
@jessicaparks9495 did you read what I wrote...I didn't say the kids had knives.....he told police the kids had pulled knives on him when police first question him......bless your heart you can't read
@jessicaparks9495read comments properly before you make (incorrect) comments…
He's guilty to bad they didn't get recording earlier of him bothering you g girls swimming under their tubes looking at them. Those boys came to help line they should when you hear someone yell for help
he didnt tell the police they all had knives, dont lie
It doesn't matter Cassandra. He was attacked. It's on video. He was surrounded. I can't imagine being in that position. He's getting off. Self defense. Those animals and "adults" need self control. It's pathetic
Honest to God, now having watched the video in real time, any adult who comments on this video whining about a bunch of drunk teens... you're sick in the head. Period.
Most weren't teens though. So it's sick to defend yourself now?
@@ryand141he stabbed everyone he could find in that moment. Then hid the weapon, tried to evade police and flat out lied to them multiple times regarding his involvement. Old dude needs to go away for a solid 25 for this one. No good time.
I agree! The man clearly walked towards the kids with his knife out while they were laying on their tubes, when he could have just ignored them.
@@ryand141most weren’t teens but they were far more younger than him…
Either way you look at it, this proves you don’t always get wiser with age. 🤷🏻♀️
The “kids” must have been very close in order to be stabbed with a 3” knife. I’m sorry for those who were hurt & killed but I believe this was self defense. I think it all started because the kids wanted to get a reaction from Nick for views. I’m just glad I’m not a juror.
The victim is Nicolae. He was the one that was initially attacked. Those kids were raised wrong. The parents should be on trial for not raising them correctly.
“a person who initiates an attack cannot claim self-defense if the other party responds with force to protect themselves.” He hit a woman first!
I seen her grab his arm. She don't know him. Don't touch people u don't know.
Yeah right, even though there's no video proof of him striking a woman.....🙄
Maddi put hands on him first! Watch the trial.. it shows. Even RM said that was Maddis hand bc of the black fingernail polish
@@jpjpthatguy9513 he ran up on those boys first and initiated contact. He should have walked away at that point instead of charging them. Who’s the adult here?
@@astrialindah2773 many witnesses testified under oath that they saw him hit her. If there were no video at all his goose would be cooked from the start. At least all the evidence is fair.
People act inappropriately every day of the week and in every city and state of this country. That's not the point. The point is that five people were stabbed and one died. No one can use lethal force in the absence of lethal threats or the serious potential for serious physical harm. This was not self-defense. You can't stab unarmed people for yelling at you or even threatening to punch you (Miu actually threw the first punch). That's absurd. These people were not waving guns or knives. Miu will be convicted and go to jail for the rest of his life.
Exactly. SELF DEFENSE my behind.
13 athletes vs an old man and he wasn't in danger?
@@probrickgamer Everybody certainly deserves their day in court but can you please explain why it's Mr. Miu right now and not the "13"? Was that a grievous error in the criminal justice system? If I was Mr. Miu right now and had a choice to walk this back two years - I'd rather be facing those 13 young people in the Apple River than the 12 jurors that have been selected to determine where he'll spend the rest of his life. Agreed?
The kid holding that camera should be ashamed of himself. Recording was more important than calling 911. This generation of kids is out of control. He’s part of the reason that kid is dead. Part of the problem.
He says repeatedly "this is for the culture" meaning they wanted to use Nicolae Miu to make a viral video of them beating him up and humiliating him.
He started the whole thing calling the dude a raper and yelling he's looking for little girls over and over he incident a riot a mob against a guy who apparently was looking for his friend's phone that fell into the river that's why he was "by himself" he wasn't he was there with his friends and left the group to look for a phone. Mr big mouth Jamal dreadlocks verbally assaulted him and his friends followed in suit and the guy freaked out and went nuts on them. How is that African American not facing charges for inciting a mob/riot???? He started it all got his friends stabbed and one killed and he started crying like a baby when what he started got out of hand that kid I human trash and should do at least a year or two for starting everything
@@JonDetheven a drunk driver who injures himself or others gets charged with a crime. I'm looking forward to some charges for these so-called victims
Nick should be free. Technically these drunken teens shouldn't of been there
@@deadmanswife3625 I wish that would be the final result, but it won't be. I am now on my 2nd full watch of all testimony and during the first, I rewound many times to proof their claims. These people will lie blatantly in their testimony, be challenged by the defense, then correct their lie. *Ryan did this many times and so did Dante, his brother and others.* The degree of perjury they committed is absurd, but the D.A. won't prosecute them and they all should be. Miu needs to be acquitted of all charges, then sue every single one of them in civil court for their perjury and false accusations.
*If he sues in civil court and wins, it often puts enough pressure on prosecutors to criminally indict the people that lose in cases like this.*
In reviewing the video in its full form now up to 20 times, I created a map of where everyone is but the camera creates a "road block" for most people due to framing and where it's pointed. Nicolae Miu was in fact surrounded immediately from every direction. He repeatedly tries to explain himself to everyone, and Ryan admits that he said he was looking for his snorkel once Miu lost it.
Madison and Riley refuse to let him explain but he tries telling them twice, then puts his arm at his side, frowns and does not know what to do. At this point, AJ Martin, Dante and his brother have all blocked Miu just off camera, and another half dozen people are on their way that the two young women called for. The girls shove him, put their hands on him mocking him, then he has the knife in his hand.
When they claim the punch happened, they all have a different version in testimony, and they all had a different story in their sworn statements to the sheriff's department, both of which are discredited by the video. When he supposedly struck her, *some claim she fell down into the water, others claim she clutched her face, but the video shows a drink in one hand and her cell phone and vape in the other.*
The "prosecutor" should be disbarred for this. He built a case knowing all too well these little POS are lying.
Once I created a map of where everyone was standing, and where they were coming from, Miu literally armed himself in the nick of time. *They were likely to start drowning him while showing off for the camera.*
Every single one of them including the young adults saw an opportunity to make a viral viral video. *We hear Dante shout at them "they're just kids!" and refusing to let him explain himself. They claim he punches the woman at this point, and the video absolutely and conclusively proves that did not happen.
Dozens of seconds later, he has in fact *stabbed* the woman, she exclaims that he punched her believing it was a punch in the stomach because she's so wasted, *and this is when the videographer says "he hit a girl?!" mocking and taunting him, but he had in fact stabbed her when they all surrounded him and he got up for I think the 3rd or 4th time at that point.*
The more I review what factually happened, was said, and where everyone is located, the more I realize Miu didn't do something despicable but necessary as it initially seems. *He did something in the nick of time, and surely saved himself from grave bodily injury if not being killed by the drunken mob of deranged young people.*
Never addressed in the video, one also says "He's looking for little boys!" but he had in fact said he was looking for his snorkel as 2 confirm, and they lied mocking him for fun.
I love how the DA acts like you have to have a weapon in order to present a danger to someone. People die every day by the bare hands of others.
Absolutely agree 100%
At this point, I'm just wondering... Is it ok to disembowel someone who pushes you in the water? The guy gets hit what, twice? And tries to kill 5 people with a knife when all they have are bare hands. When is it ok to escalate to a deadly weapon?? I would understand if he was getting the living sh1t beat out of him, but he pulled the knife before he was even touched. And SMILED about it.
He was by himself surrounded by 11 people who kept pushing him into the water, punching, slapping him, cheering, and calling him names. He has every right to defend himself in this situation
how about you dont worry your female head over what a man should or should not do?
Being outnumbered is called disparity of force and can justify lethal force, same way a 4’11” petite woman could be justified in using lethal force against a man that’s 6ft+ 200lb+ and “only using his hands.”
More people die from hands and feet than by rifles in the US every year.
@@Z33ROno. If he showed his knife, the beating would've ended right then. He didn't even show or gave them a warning. This is more than defending for himself
the kids would've stopped attacking him if Miu showed his knife. So what you are saying is not what's happening here. Miu could've defended himself by showing the weapon alone. He didn't have to use it
The defendant's lawyer has a much stronger appeal than the state has. The defendant is not guilty of first-degree murder. That's my opinion.
Yeah maybe should have went for 2nd degree I don't feel the malice or intent is there but will see
m,any times they will charge for things they know wont get a conviction on because they really dont want one...and lets remember we had jury last year render a not guilty on delivery driver shooting an unarmed youtube prankster..which clearly the law saaid was not self defense ..people are getting sick of people harassing people for social media views
@@user4177 that prankster wouldn't let him walk away. That was a self defense case also. Had he not blocked his exit. Different story
@@probrickgamer dude theres video the pranjster did noy impede his movement he said stuff to him as he walked..again there is video of the entire altercation from the ytuber not one lawyer said he should have gotten off look at all the reviews of the case its now used as a prime example how jurys can do what they want regardless of facts
NOT GUILTY AT ALL
He started the physical violence so he can’t claim self defense. He doesn’t get to stab people for calling him names and hurting his feelings. If that were the case, half the country would be dead. He was drunk and lost his temper. It’s his behavior after the fact that is the most disturbing to me. No guilt, no remorse, no concern for others. Sociopath.
There isn't any of evidence that he started the physical violence.
They acted like rioters do.
@planetmarie he runs over to them and grabs them/their tubes, then later pushes Madison making her fall back several steps (according to his own friend's testimony).. causing the physical fight to begin.
@@Diamondgirl90 did you bother watching the video? he's looking for his snorkel, mask and phone...
I’m conflicted. He should have just left. But he didn’t. Then at one point they did mob him and I also would have feared for my life. But. I still haven’t seen enough. It’s just tragic a child lost his life over absolutely nothing. This should never have happened.
Absolutely 💯 agree
Mr Miu is the victim though. These kids didn't need to even acknowledge Him and thought they could flip the script being the victim as predators
@@bromontana8100he could have simply answered them .. not to mention as a 50 something year old man you should know better then to let teenagers get best of you.. although i agree the kids were being a holes .. that’s not illegal .. that man could’ve walked away multiple times . yet he stayed and now so many people are suffering.
I agree. Both parties did not handle this situation well at all. No one in this had a clear head. This is a tough one.
I’m conflicted. Kids should have just left. But they didn’t. Then at one point they did mob him and I also would have feared for my life. But. I still haven’t seen enough. It’s not tragic an almost mature and clearly responsible young lad lost his life over absolutely nothing. Things like this always happened.
these teens taunted him. he responded in a drunken stuper by coming to them. he could have just stayed away. i myself have been in simalar situation but walked away. I was at a park and taunted by a bunch of people who i gave no reason to mouth off to me. I was walking my dog and they didn't like my little 25lbs dog cause he is aggressive. I had him on leash and they still taunted me. What did I do? I walked away and said nothing to them. Probably 15 people drunk in a state park where no drinking is allowed. All you have to do is walk away. God Bless the victims family. They will never see or hear him again.😪😪😪😪😪
that’s because you have common sense, wherewithal, and are not consumed with pride. I’m sorry those people hassled you, especially while you were out with your pup.
Your reaction may have been different if ppl surrounded & punched you.
He was NOT DRUNK YOU HEAR ANYTHING..??
Well maybe one day. I believe in God's word and I hope they all are doing ok 2😊
@@kyleanderson2949
Me to one of my brothers friends got in a fight when he was walking his little . He was huge.
He came to me to patch him up so he wouldn't have go to dr.s or hospital. He had family working there and he didn't want them to know.
I ask about the other 2
He said . They would definitely have to go to the e.r. goodness mens pride.
They are going to find this guy guilty right off the bat. He should never have lied during his police interview. He also apparently got rid of the knife. This is just a horrible case. Crazy how people react when they have been drinking.
Agree. I don’t think his defense attorney is helping by continually referring to the teens trying to humiliate him. Imho that’s why he turned back towards them early on, put his snorkel in his mouth & both hands on one’s tube, out of humiliation. His atty claims he wasn’t drunk but, returned because he saw one holding a phone he thought might have been the phone he was looking for? Yeah, right. Also, his atty exaggerates an open hand slap he received & downplays him hitting the female. It probably was an open hand slap (both were) but, in the moment the crowd was yelling about him hitting (either way, slap or worse is still “hit”) the girl. The atty tried to make it sound like they made it up while talking to police. Imho only one atty seems to be reaching, twisting the facts to fit a narrative, making many assumptions, the defense. If I stabbed someone in self defense I’d call 911. Defendant showed consciousness of guilt.
You must have not listened very well. What sounded like this guy was going to prison actually turned out to be the victim. These kids started it and they lost a friend because of it
plus, he calmly got the knife out of his pocket, he planned it in those few seconds; he knew exactly what he did;
@@bromontana8100 Who was the first person to escalate the situation into a physical altercation? Miu when he hit the girl. You can’t seriously believe he feared for his life before anyone had touched him & they were laughing at him & telling him to go away. Even if he feared for his life, he had the option & duty to retreat. He chose to hit first instead of walking away, as they were repeatedly saying, “Go, get out of here, leave them/us alone.” Amazing how people let their biases defeat their logic, values & respect for the law.
Alcohol - the elixir of crap decisions.
His self defense argument is cooked, didn’t call the cops and lied all through the interview he gave.
lol. That doesn’t mean it’s not self defense. You don’t have to call the cops or tell the cops anything.
@@Brandi_the_Baker Mens rea
If he wasn't able to walk away the ENTIRE time, then h*ll ya, defend yourself all day, but NOT with a KNIFE! You cannot justify using a knife or gun in a fist fight, especially when it was not self defense which means you could not get away. He started the situation, he chose to keep standing there, he chose to try and dispose of the knife and lie. Absolutely not self defense!! If he was THAT scared, which he WAS NOT, he could've ran back to his group, not run at the teens and tell someone to CALL 911. If they had continued to attack him once he ran away and tried to get away, that would've been self defense. Not the case at all here.
lol it is self defense if the jump you. let me guess, youre a biden voter?
you ate that up. you should of been the attourney for the state
Opinions aside you absolutely can use lethal force in a fist fight under the right conditions such as being heavily outnumbered (13-1), being pushed under water (easily drown, threat to life, nowhere to retreat to (surrounded), another common example would be a petite woman being attacked by a 6ft+ 200lb+ man (this is called disparity of force).
Also, initial aggression can be withdrawn, at which point the next person to instigate becomes the initial aggression. If words are exchanged that you started, then turn your back and start to walk away, then are attacked, you are no longer the initial aggressor.
Put yourself in his shoes surrounded by a bunch of drunk and violent bullies escalating the situation. That is a terrifying situation. If you had a knife you would defend your life if you thought you were in danger. It's called self defense
He did walk away and they followed
The guy should have left and went back to his group where his wife and friends were. Somebody tells you to leave them alone you don't stick around. If that would have been my wife she would have been there somthing wasn't right between them.
"Being Offended" is no excuse for murder.
They assaulted him. You clearly didn’t watch the video, he was slapped multiple times, shoved down in the water, and surrounded.
2:22:42 he is running to the group and starts grabbing at people. He brought himself to the group and lost his snorkel in the process. He won’t separate himself, keeps looking for his snorkel.
2:24:27 two women are close to him, separating him from the loudmouth guys. He then pushes/hits one of the women (what do you see here?) and then the group defends themselves.
This guy put himself in the group and started the physical fight twice.
@@StinkyBlack1lol did U watch it? Cause he got hit AFTER he punched his female friend.
but being attacked is absolutly grounds to defend yourself with deadly force
Assault and battery is though.
i’ve heard a couple people so far say that all he needed to do was “walk away”. Wrong!!!! All he needed to do was NOT approach the children/teens in the first place. He came toward the children knowing that he had a knife in his pocket. A grown man should know that children tease and they laugh. This defense lawyer being interviewed ( Derick Chavins lawyer), stating that he was being “threatened “ because they called him a pedophile. Well, guess what ? He was the one apparently asking for where the girls were and actually It really doesn’t even matter what the teenagers were saying because as an adult he should NOT have approach them. Secondly, you don’t get to claim that you were in fear when you walked towards the individual/group and therefore started the entire situation. You started the situation by 1) walking toward them and then 2) by allegedly punching the girl. So you don’t get to pull out a knife (or any weapon) and stab someone when you’re losing a fight that YOU started. So whether it be him, George Zimmerman, or anyone else who APPROACHES a child or an adult and then begins to cause issues, you don’t get to use lethal force on someone when you start losing the fight that YOU started. Then, the defense lawyers says it was 13 to 1 but his client approached the group. If they surrounded him it was after he was standing over the 2 kids sitting in the tube and tried to fight them!! He starts his opening statement halfway through the altercation. He would have not been punched had he not have punched the girl first. This is so clear to me. This is horrible.!!! Do his first language is know English but he knew enough to know what the kids were saying 🤔. If he felt so fragile then he should have started an altercation with 13 teens. The makes no sense.
Flower, U are CORRECT!! Guilty of 1st degree murder!
Children 😂
This dude wanted to stab (or scare) someone that day. He was across the river from these kids, and chose to run over toward them. On the way over, he checked his pocket for the knife. Once he reached them, he weirdly grabbed one of the kid's inner tubes and touched his leg. He did that expecting them to respond aggressively. But they didn't. No one laid a hand on that guy until he hit a girl. *Then* they hit him.
Dude was extra brave because of the knife. He was pissed and walking away would have been "weak" so he dove into this headfirst.
He's absolutely guilty of first degree murder. The minute he ran at then checking for his knife, that was his ticket to prison for an extra long stay.
This man’s ego was his reasoning. He engaged and kept doing so. He’s the aggressor in my opinion. The kids were out of line but he could’ve called law enforcement or just ignored the words they were saying.
@@PNWwonder exactly teens tease and make fun of people all the time. You can’t kill someone for laughing at you.
I don’t think a 54 y/o man is an “old man”. Everyone knows that a bunch of drunk teenagers usually act like idiots. A grown man should have enough since to turn around and walk away and definitely not pull a weapon. After drawing blood he should have definitely know he had gone to far, unless he has an anger issue he can’t control.
He was surrounded by a drunken group of teenagers mocking him, pushing him down into the water and holding him down ... if you try to hold me down in the water i would think you're trying to kill me! but i don't carry knives nor guns so i would have no way to defend myself so i would have to use my words ~ HELP HELP HELP
@@JaneDoe-tr5xy Exactly, If not for the knife the people who went to help, may have had to throw a few punches but, everyone would be alive.
His lawyer is calling him an old man all the time. To make him more like a victim. I am 54 and I'm watching this...like wtf. I don't feel old😂😂😂
@@yvonnedeboer7535yep.. that’s pretty young!
@@JAJJABLOG 😂I know
The video tells the story - they became an angry mob and attacked the guy.
I like that the defense attorney is speaking to the young man as if he is a man. He doesn't coddle him. He is being real.
Self Defense 💯. Didnt see him hit the “woman”, there is no proof of that whatsoever. He got attacked 1st. Once they pushed him down, smacked him in the face and continuously pushed him down, they are the aggresors. When a mob comes after you like a pack of hyenas, you gotta do what you gotta do. Not guilty. These kids are stupid and intoxicated. He doesnt know what they will do once it started, they could have drowned him if he didn’t defend himself.
I agree. They seemed to think it was a joke. There is no way you can use goggle to look at people under water in a river.
@@GraceMarieNeary-Nashvill-qs3pi You CAN but you'd literally have to be within an inch of whatever it is you're trying to see.
not only that, but there weren't any girls that I saw in the tubes he was near.
Is anyone shocked by the particular 'teen' who was escalating things with his world star-esque "fo da culture" chant?
The guy was surrounded and being attacked. No doubt in fear for his life and acted accordingly. These idiots FAFO.
One bad apple... same as shit in clean water
Not one bit
Exactly. I’m more surprised by how many women and children in here are defending the mob
@@roninkraut6873that's why they shouldn't vote
Too many people watching all of this are also overlooking the video in a panoramic frame of mind with what it shows. He did go to leave and in his direct path was another half dozen people coming toward him. It's at this point the knife is in his hand and Ryan Nelson testifies that he punched one of the girls in the face, but the video shows otherwise.
*When he is asked where he punched her, Ryan says "in the face I believe" and believe is used in a synonymous way with "I think" meaning, he is unsure because he did not actually see it and he did not see it because it did not happen.* When one says "he hit a girl?!" it's not until a barrage of attacks and a significant amount of time has passed from when they said he punched her, and when that is said, he had in fact stabbed her.
*I am confident they used that moment in the video as an excuse and all lied saying he punched her, and the video discredits this as does the timeline of all events.* If he did strike her at points when the camera turns away, it is after he has been attacked multiple times. *They all also said it was a slap in their sworn statements, but when they reviewed the video and saw the knife was in his hand at the point he supposedly slapped her, their testimony for trial turned it into a punch since a slap was impossible.*
Only takes 1 punch to knock someone out cold. Say one of them boys would of knocked him out.. he would of drown in that water. Self defense
yea thats why he should have ignored them and walked away instead of punching a woman and killing a child
U can say the same thing for them. The kids could of walked away..Why was she in his face? She don't own the river and has no right to tell anyone to "go" let alone a grown ass man who was an elder who she should of respected.
Pretty weak argument. It's not reasonable to think none of the few dozen people in the vicinity would have lifted his head out of the water. Fear of getting punched, even getting punched, is no excuse for murder. Too many insecure tough guys who can't tolerate getting their ass beat go straight for a knife or gun.
So you get to stab people just in case they may hit you?
@@zmancan5290yeah? What about the offending party makes you think they're going to make reasonable decisions in the moment? Is it the fact they were drunk, and had 3x the legal limit for an adult for blood alcohol content to drive? Is it the fact they were on drugs? Is it that they surrounded him and started pushing him into the water?
You don't understand our legal system, plain and simple.
Guilty!!!why was he not with his group, he could have left. He had plenty of opportunity to leave. Choices.
If you listen to the defense and watch the video, he was cornered and the mob turned violent. It was self defense 100% the video is clear as can be
You clearly didn't watch the case at all. "why was he not with his group" - HE WAS LOOKING FOR A LOST PHONE, then he dropped his goggles, thought they took them, and was looking for the goggles. Like, seriously.
Watched every single minute and every video. He did not have to stab teens
. That is obvious by the verdict. I get he had mental break. But you cannot do that. All kinds of wrong.@LiberalLoudMouth
Why didn’t the defendant say ‘I’m looking for a cell phone lost in the river’ instead of just acting creepy? That probably would have prevented the boys from getting freaked out and acting the way they did.
😮 no. Just NO. He doesn't owe anyone any explanation of what hes looking for in a public river! No more than those bully hoodlums have to right to tell him to 'leave thier spot '
Some of the kids heard him say something about a phone that's what prosecution says in opening statement. The underage boys were drunk and heard what they wanted
You do know that English is his 5th language.. sometimes it does take time to process a response
Because it's not no one's business on what the insert man is doing. Mind your own damn business and you wouldn't have been stabbed or murder. The old man didn't ask them what they where doing they confronted him.
Dude was acting weird and came at their tubes in their personal space imo he didn’t say anything bout a phone and continued to stay around loud obnoxious kids instead of keeping it moving. Those kids wasn’t trying to fight him not until he got violent with the female. 2 separate groups having issue with this guy and then FIVE people end up stabbed? He didn’t warn them off by saying he had a knife. I don’t think he guilty of first degree murder but imo at least 2nd degree or voluntary manslaughter. Kid wasn’t even a senior yet and lost his life smdh
After seeing the video.. Definately NOT GUILTY! The prosecutions version has done it`s job and painted this guy in different colours. Video says it all.
Are you a blanket gun supporter?
@@SmartDumbNerdyCool I’m supporter of safety and sanity ,not absurdity wrapped in violence. But hey, each to their own, even if it's a bit... unconventional.
@@LifeAndAbout You sound like a nutter
I FEEL BAD CUZ MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS ITS THE MANS FAULT......THEN I WATCHED THAT FUCKlNG VIDEO, & HOLY CRAP, those teens were out of fucking control!!! If they werent underage & drunk (a crime in itself), my money bets none of it woulda happened. Its not the teens job to gatekeep the river, nor is it their job to engage in vigilante justice over a crime only they are accusing him of..... they'd had never met him in their lives!!!
@@marlafowler3543 It's not the man's job to be executioner and malicious wounderer of underage kids. To support that shows you lost your humanity.
WE ALL SAW THE VIDEO ONLINE! THEY PUNCHED THE OLD MAN THEN SLAPPED HIM ACROSS THE FACE THEN SHOVED HIS HEAD IN THE WATER THEN WHEN HE GOT UP THEY TRIED TO SHOVE HIM AGAIN AND IT WAS ALL SHE WROTE FROM THERE!
The old man started the fight. The teens were defending themselves
Mui had no business getting in their space. Hes creepy for doing that. The boys were minding their own business. Maddison came over and escalated things. Mui had tons of opportunity to leave. He was looking for trouble.
theres always two sides to a story you dont know whats running in there heads. @@bipolarexpress9959
You’re gonna have to analyze that tape a little deeper and more carefully.
Video begins by Niu running up to the black kid who’s recording and the girl next to him while they’re sitting in the tubes, and then Niu grabs them. I’d say that fits quite neatly in the category of assault or maybe even battery.
Second, when the kids start their little humiliation ritual, Niu turns to face them and pulls a knife on them. Only after that do the kids ever put a hand on him.
Having observed those details, who do you think attacked who?
@@martinfazekas2299 so what if they where scared they would have backed up like they did in the end.
Mui’s party was up river so he couldn’t have lost a phone near them, he was trying to get closer to the young girls. He was called out and he didn’t like that. He was walking away but turned back and went at them. You don’t fear for your life and turn back and try to intimidate.
collude much?
Oh, sweetie. If you actually watched this. Youd know those girls werent even near the initial area where it went down. The girls walked over. Try again.
All these commentators saying they would have done it differently. Most people don’t know until they are surrounded by numerous people who are ganging up on them, threatening them and cornered. Drunken, bullies at that. A crowd like that becomes a mob when they decide to antagonize and threaten.
Even if these kids were doing shots in front of this guy, doesn’t give him the right to kill
what if they were attempting to drowned him?
@@PhonePhone-sf8te haven’t seen that in video yet
@@Valturnaqueen then you didn't watch it. You don't have to let someone kill you before you defend yourself.
2:22:42 he is running to the group and starts grabbing at people. He brought himself to the group and lost his snorkel in the process. He won’t separate himself, keeps looking for his snorkel.
2:24:27 two women are close to him, separating him from the loudmouth guys. He then pushes/hits one of the women (what do you see here?) and then the group defends themselves.
This guy put himself in the group and started the physical fight twice.
Why are you spamming this everywhere? He didnt start stabbing unti he was swarmed by the mob. The end.
Attorneys are getting so good at argument, a jury has to be brilliant to know what to decide. Anxious to hear the entire story.
Wow never seen a comment section about a case so mixed... will watch the trial and come to my own opinion...
I agree. I need to see the WHOLE thing before I can come to an educated answer.
This Nick guy had military training. You can see it in his face when he looked at people when he stabbed them. The disembowelling of AJ was a prime example. Who can do that and look at the person in the eyes as they’re doing it?
And what? Is a person supposed to look away while disemboweling? What’s the proper etiquette in that situation?
Unless he was like in special forces the military does not train you in knife fighting
Prosecutor to the second witness. Were you injured at all . Witness says no
Did you lay a hand on the defendant witness says no... The prosecutor is killing his case
The only people stabbed were the ones laying hands on him.
This is the dangers of mob mentality and a bunch of smart mouthed teens inciting violence through false accusations. I have no doubt that he was in fear for his life. This is why everyone should walk away. Everyone in this case who jumped in to "intervene" should have kept their hands to themselves. Could have been avoided in so many ways. SMH.
You are comparing free speech versus a weapon, you realize this right?!?
@@AliceWanderland_ yes I realize it. Just because you have the right to say what you want doesn't mean you should. And there is such a thing as false accusations. Calling him a pedophile (in so many words) can incite violence against him even though there was nothing to support that claim. Then people listen to that claim and escalate it. The fact that they were slinging accusations and calling people over to help would make anyone fearful for their safety. You never know what people are capable of. And just because you have the right and a phone in your hand doesn't protect you in the moment when dealing with someone who you have no Idea what they are capable of.
Watched the video, he guilty, not premeditated, but he could have easily just walked away. He rushed the group, can’t hit/slap push a women without expecting a reaction. The knife was ridiculous, fight if you wanna fight, these kids didn’t threaten his life. Tragic.
The water going the other way was too deep for him to walk and if the mob had followed him they could potentially drown hum
@@katelyns8844 nah….
@@katelyns8844 lol he was the only one armed he was clearly fine t lil he attacked the female.
*walks away once
*walks away twice
*walks away three times
*Gets surrounded on all sides, blocking his path back to his group
"Why didn't you walk away, bro?"
~march9807
The sorriest defense I’ve ever seen, glad he was found guilty on ALL counts
I was all for Nicolae at first, after even the opening statement of the state it’s pretty clear this was not self defence. He deliberately attacked these people when he could have just walked away.
I’m all against drunk young idiots jumping people but literally nobody touched him. He punches a woman and proceeds to stab everybody back to back. The kids were not even aware of what was happening.
When the video is depicted frame by frame the truth is revealed and seemingly very clear.
It’s a tragedy someone had to lose their life over this. Had that been me I would have just walked away. Nicolae literally pulled out the knife even before anyone approached him.
Take the time to watch the trial folks. It speaks for itself.
I’m not making excuses for the poor behaviour of the kids. HOWEVER…the defendant is a middle aged adult man, and I absolutely think the he should have known the shenanigans afoot and reacted appropriately. Instead of ignoring the group and therefore egging them on, he should have just answered them. Most of us have witnessed underage drunk kids in groups, and putting them in a spot to question the intentions and then purposefully ignoring them only made things worse. He is the “sober adult” and should have acted like one. They probably would have helped him look for the stupid phone. If everyone went around stabbing up unarmed drunk teenagers, the human race would be in short supply before long.
The old man started the fight. He guilty asf
Exactly, you are the fuckin adult there, just let them have fun and move the fuck away. They are just stupid teenagers. Go and fight in your local bar with other boomers if you feel like it. Not on the fuckin river while everyone is having fun.
He was acting weird as he approached them. He barely said a word and could have communicated much more and better. So, of course they got a bad vibe. They didn't behave well. But, they told him to leave multiple times to the point that a second group came to help. They were ALL telling him to go away. He never should have hurt her. Of course they reacted to him doing that. He can't claim self defense after starting it.
Who TF does that woman Madeline thinks she is? Thats not her river, she has no right getting in his face & telling him where to go. He can go wherever he likes. Now Nikolai will die in jail, he is paying dearly & is being held responsible for his actions on that fateful day. But nothing is said about the crimes that were done to him. On the video you can clearly see him getting pushed & falling into the water, twice. Multiple people push him, hit him on the head, push him down again yet no one is charged. That is not fair.
Our news/social media culture is constantly telling us we should be afraid. Afraid of everything and everyone. This is unsustainable and woefully destructive. “He’s a pedophile,” believing teens are scary. Where are we headed as a country?
Who had a right to tell him to leave a river?
Right!!!
It’s sad that this man is being imprisoned for defending himself against a mob mentality filled with aggravated assault
No it's not, that psycho belongs behind bars.
@@benfrese3573imagine you’re in your 50s in the river surrounded by over 10 young adults mobbing you. Pushing you into the water and striking you repeatedly. The one boy even ADMITS ON STAND he attempted to hold the elderly man UNDERWATER so the old man gutted him…. Seems like pretty cut and dry self defense to me
@@GearSixLuffy Yes, he just dropped out of the sky and unfortunately ended up landing smack dab in their midst. Blame God for dropping him there.
Those punks learned a valuable lesson. Luckily, it was an old man they taunted and not some harden criminal. I believe the only reason they messed with him was because he was old. I doubt if it was some jacked 6ft tall man they wouldn't have said anything.
Isn’t it defamation for the things they called him and is also considered assault
Idgaf which way the defence tries to spin this, the guy stabbed a bunch of people, all because of some verbal exchanges...... this guy needs to go to prison forever! He's unable to cope with being in and around the population!
He didn’t stab anyone until they started assaulting him
@@apriljoy1094 Since when do you start stabbing multiple people just for a fight? You know how many fights I've been in and never would have dreamed someone would've pulled out a knife and gutted me! He grossly overreacted! This was overkill! Than he tried to sneak away and hide his knife, I'm calling bullsh$t on self defense!
Guilty. He punched that young lady and that started everything. He could have walked away. He could have walked away. Instead, he punched a woman, hstabbed people, walked away and pretended that he didn't do ot then that he did but in self defense. Gulity
It sounds like you used to get beat up a lot as a kid 😂😂😂
it’s funny how the group of boy who literally started it yet the da has the audacity to say Why didn’t the victim just walk away why didn’t he just obey a bunch of aggressive males ?? BUT WHY DIDNT THEY JUST WALK AWAY can’t believe the da even brought chargers 🤦🏻♀️ this is a clown show
I live in Wisconsin and this is a known place for a lot of alcohol consumption, young and old! Just because these young kids were drunk doesn’t mean they deserved this!
Maybe If they had respect for the man and didn't escalate the situation by bullying him, things would have turned out better
But Miu did?!?!?
If Wi had “stand your ground,” it would be considered self defense. Who knows how it would have ended if he didn’t have a knife. The whole think is tragic! And they were loaded and out of control. Truly a tragic situation; with life long consequences.
The fact you don't means his actions were not justified
Not a quick jab he cut open the one kid and cut the other kids heart in half with 2 ribs. A jab couldn't do all that....the one kid he did jab once the lawyer made fun of for only needing 2 stitches.
Dang! 🤮 I didn’t know all of that. I wouldn’t want to be a juror on this case at all…
cope more zoomer
I agree stupid statement no quick jab will disembowel someone 🤦♀️
@@user-ww8nz5oo2l relax, easily triggered boomer lol
@@abd5441 yea if someone's calling you out properly. That's called triggered. What a mook you are. Zoomers just say words and hope they mean something. Add an lol to make yourself seem not insecure
When you have multiple victims self-defense in my opinion, goes out the window this isent a ritten house case he has a weapon, and no one knows... that's the difference. Knives are way more deadly than guns in these situations for self-defense, no "get away stop i have a kinfe im going to stab you" he just silently stabs 3 people
Yes" I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby" but that no reason to act in this violent way should have walked away from Especially if you been unwell with heart surgery!! Guilty I believe.
Did you not listen to any part of this video. He tried to walk away. They surrounded him and blocked him and continued to shove him down in the water. Are you deaf?
@@keemarie1 no I'm not deaf are you blind or just rude
@@isabellacullin4884 I mean yeah I’m probably rude. I agree to that but you said he should’ve just walked away. If you would’ve watched the video, you would see he tried to walk away. Then they threatened him telling him he had 10 seconds and followed behind him.
The two young women were acting like young Karens.
Bossy BRATS!
Never in my 55 years on this planet have l ever heard of or seen anyone carrying a knife with swim trunks on. I have been making a living with a knife for more than 30 years. This just baffles me why someone would need to carry a while tubing on a river.
It’s really not that hard to figure out. if people fish on that river then he has every right to carry a knife at the river, especially because hes snorkeling. People who dive and snorkel carry knives so if they get caught up in fishing line, they can cut themselves free. Go look it up every smart person who dives or snorkels has some sort of knife tool for emergencies like I stated above. I’m also a woman who carries a pocket knife every day. How do I know this and you don’t?
He knew what he did was wrong, because he threw the knife away after stabbing 5 teenagers , None of teenagers had weapons.
I am 59 and a woman I carry a pocket knife for any out door activities because it gets used often. Swim trunks have pockets, so there is that.
I don't see the defendant being aggressive even when being surrounded by a group of men. I have only seen the video. He couldn't get back to his group because the group was between him and his group. At least two people put hands on him.
Welcome to gen Z and millennial living. You shouldn't have but protecting yourself from this chicks group of Predator friends
What do you think would have happened if he didn’t have the knife?
They fucked around and found out. It's a shame he was convinced
In my opinion Choice of words can hurt Someone’s ego . but I didn’t hear no threats. They didn’t threaten to beat them up or hurt him or even threaten his life. They might have hurt his feelings or ego or pride, but that’s just words and you can’t take words personal, And sadly it led to an altercation because he had to prove himself instead of walking away from the situation. Ok he the fact was he was surrounded By a group of people but He walked into that crowd instead ignoring or walking away toward his group and he put himself in a situation where he may have been scared but then he struck first and then brought out a weapon. When everyone was telling him to just leave or go that’s going to be hard to prove that he did not want to stay and fight or the fact he didn’t want to leave. Once again, this is all my opinion not fact form your own opinion.
Agree 💯%
2:24:10 This is absolutely NOT self defense. He had plenty of opportunities to WALK AWAY. MIU approached them in the first place. MIU was the one to get aggressive FIRST. He had no reason whatsoever to pull out that knife or use it. Regardless of them instigating him and yelling and them putting hands on him (not ok either), it is not the same as pulling/using a knife on someone! It's not like he just poked one of them once with the knife either, he straight up slaughtered them/cut them open! This just shows why you should never instigate or start stuff with a stranger...you never know how crazy/PSYCHO someone is, or the lengths they will go when provoked and even if they are in the wrong! Whatever happened to just IGNORING people? Not everything needs a reaction, regardless of who is right or wrong. Do I believe he intended to murder the kid, NO. But he is definitely guilty of Murder 2 or manslaughter. He was in no way acting in self defense. This was not a life or death situation or a situation where he COULD NOT GET AWAY. Absolutely ridiculous and tragic and uncalled for! Then to go and get rid of the murder weapon, change his clothes, try and play off innocent bystander to the police and LIE. GUILTY AF. Some people are just not right in the head! Scary! Also makes me wonder given the look of crazy in his eyes/reaction, if he is in fact a pedophile like they were saying 😧😬
again, woman, be quiet
@@FUCK_ALL_UA-cam_MODERATORS Why cause I'm RIGHT?! 🤣🤣🤣😅 The truth is the truth. Right is right. The law is the law. Sorry bout that! 🤗
@Natasha Great summary of this horrendous event. I totally agree with you!
FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT
You are CONVENIENTLY forgetting that it was a MOB of guys against one man.
Smile can be an expression of fear and confusion too
Physcotic
Not guilty at all!! Shame on thess young adult's!
He had knife out before it got physical so guilty BUT big mouth behind the camera should be charged w inciting a riot or something hes the reason it escalated. He should be punished.
So you can't arm yourself when facing a threat?
Cops draw their guns not to shoot people but to be ready for an attack… he had his knife out for awhile before any stabbing happened
Someone punching you off your feet into water and punching you when you try to get up and others trying to hold you down with a crowd screaming at you is not getting "physical" to you? It got both physical and mental before he pulled the knife. Personally, I would have thought that they are aiming to kill me.
OF COURSE HE GOT THE KNIFE OUT BEFORE SHIT GOT REAL, GUMP LMAO...IT DOESNT DO YOU ANY GOOD TO HAVE A KNIFE, & NOT HAVE IT OUT BEFORE YOU GET ATTACKED LMFAO DUH!! AND ACTUALLY, HE GOT IT OUT AFTER HE WAS ROUGHED UP IN THE WATER....THERES NO KNIFE IN HIS HAND WHEN HES ATTACKED & PUSHED DOWN INTO THE WATER, SO STOP LYING. HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GET HIS KNIFE FOR SELF DEFENSE, AFTER HE WAS SHOVED DOWN INTO THE WATER. GET AN EDUCATION, JFC.
@@BabyShark-kd9jl YOU NAILED IT!!! AND U SAID IT BETTER THAN I DID LOL.
They "he called me bad names" defense is pathetic. Poor wittle boy had his fweelings hurt so he decided to remove people from society... permanently. Ridiculous. Anyone defending him belongs in a sanitorium.
Engineer guy believes a phone dropped in the water will flow downstream…. Sounds like bullshit to me
THANK YOU! You took the words right out my mouth!!
And even when his friend said “don’t worry about it, I have insurance on it”
It was noted in the opening statement of the defence that at least one phone was in a waterproof phone pouch, which are specifically made to float. I have one. It floats. So, “engineer guy” was correct that the phone could have flowed/floated downstream.
@Sbollocks creamingWild
Except that’s what actually happened. The phone was later found downstream and retrieved so…
@@Missglam67 huh. Interesting. I wouldn’t have thought so
He hurt a woman in the face in front of group of people. What did he expect? Of course the defended her and had no idea what he would do next.
So, they didn't get physical to him until after he punched her.
I'm so done with him claiming self defense. He also lied and said they took his snorkel. No. He dropped it.
He barely said a word. That was odd, VERY odd. That surely made the groups uncomfortable as he approached and then was near them and refused to leave.
Not once did he ask about a phone, right??? Not once did he greet them and say, "Hey, my friend dropped his phone. I came over to look for it. ...." He was acting weird the whole time.
A normal person would say the above or something similar as he approached or by the time he got closer to them. He said almost nothing, yet speaks several languages. It's weird! Why didn't he walk away in the beginning??? The phone was replaceable. Why did he pull out a knife instead of walk away?
I don't see him slapping or punching her first
There is no evidence he punched anyone. He did not need to discuss with them what he was doing on a river that is open to the public. It's not weird he didn't speak because English is not his first language. Amazing how you fail to mention they ganged up on him. I'm not excusing his actions. You seem like the type to sympathize with criminals, so these teenagers are right up your ally.
@goll58 So, a group of kids was minding their own business in their tubes and a stranger runs up to them, grabs their tubes, touches their bodies and does say anything as approaching and you think that's normal?
Normal people don't run up to strangers, touch and move their belongings, then touch their bodies.
If I saw you on a sidewalk and ran up to you, touched your purse or bags and touched your body, what would you do? They reacted.
They definitely reacted badly. They aren't 100% innocent.
But, he left his group and approached a group of strangers without saying anything like, "Hey guys, I'm looking for a phone."
He was acting weird. They reacted to a weirdo. They had no idea why he wouldn't leave. He was the one that should have gone back to his group.
I'm looking at this in a non-biased way. They all could have behaved differently. But, he originally approached and touched the guys in the tubes.
@@goll58He's been in US for decades, is an engineer and can speak English fine. He went to high school in the US. Language is not the issue here at all.
@menarussell
Lmao that is NOT what happens in the video AT ALL.
He doesnt run up to them and wildely starts touching anyone. He seems pretty deamn calm, while he is being shouted at from a far, insulted and then pushed around.
NOT GUILTY..
Opening statements start at 17:11
Thanks Ashhhh
I'm gonna say what nobody else is saying. It was the black kids fault. None of this would've happened had he not started trying to get video content. He started the ped*file accusation and chanting, he riled his whole group up. You can even see him approach Nikolae and push him ever so slightly to get him going. He caused the whole incident, he wanted the chaos for content and then somehow was able to back away from it all avoid injury and keep the camera rolling as he watches the aftermath of the chaos he started. Plain and simple had he not been there this never would've happened. Watch who you hang out with people, he wants content and he got it. Disgusting!!!
This is your assessment?!! So if someone spits on the ground it’s raining, right? Then as a result of that rain/spit we can then blame the spitter if a car is driving reckless and hits someone and kills them? Also you can stop attempting not to sound racist with your comment, as it is in fact racist! Please try harder to be a decent human, the animal inside is showing
you are 100% correct and i hope youre not a woman else I will have to eat my shoes.
You're as psycho as Miu, with a hefty dose af racism.
He did admit on the stand he started calling him rapper even though he was there with his wife and friends so he shouldn't have been calling him rapper and pedophile for no reason he should have minded his business
Agreed 💯