Not Appointed to Wrath? // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- MARANATHA Global Bible Study // The Rapture and the Endurance of the Saints
Episode 9: Not Appointed to Wrath?
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Amen brother ...nobody endures without the power of the Holy Spirit. Endurance is not a work by us but by His grace.
Yes thank you ! 🙏
It’s also our choice
Very sound teaching. Let us pray for all believers that they may endure to the end in Jesus name.
Amen And Amen
(Endure)
(Until Our Individual Ends)
Amen
Maranatha
@@FormVoltron Actually Jesus used the example of ” day Lot saying “it will be like “the” day Lot was taken out of sodom and Gomorrah,(God removed them via angels ) the angels told them, We can’t pour out wrath until they were out of there safely… This was not eternal nor did it imply their eternal safety, it was SAFETY on earth and removed
2) Jesus also stated “Remember LOTS WIFE! Why? because when angels came and took them they said don’t look back …. she did with longing desire and turned to salt . Don’t look back when Angels come for us
3) Luke 21:36 says PRAY ALWAYS you are found worthy to escape these things that he described and if that meant eternal a different word would have been used .
4) If you don’t know the day or hour of one event then Jesus isn’t referring to RAPTURE HERE IS HE? NO, yet He describe that later after verse 32 doesn’t he? Yes … however Matthew 24:15 Jesus was answering the questions asked about the end for his second coming and Jesus quoted DANIEL who said, When u see the abomination of desolation is ata ding in the holy place it will be 1290 day days… That’s a specific day,
5) Jesus also stated it will be like “the” day noah was placed into the ark… Not taken out of context,look at what happened “the” day noah went into the ARK. God shut them up in ark 7 days before wrath on earth (RESCUED IN SARTH BEFORE FLOOD-not in middle of flood, not enduring the flood but before the flood )
6) Jesus also stated THIS IN LUKE, Remember Lots Wife
So who is twisting meanings of text? It’s the teacher here. same word RAPTURE harpadzo moses up to mountain transported up to God, Enoch was transported to Heaven off earth… SAME WORD
@@elayneel-adly949 Actually Jesus used the example of ” day Lot saying “it will be like “the” day Lot was taken out of sodom and Gomorrah,(God removed them via angels ) the angels told them, We can’t pour out wrath until they were out of there safely… This was not eternal nor did it imply their eternal safety, it was SAFETY on earth and removed
2) Jesus also stated “Remember LOTS WIFE! Why? because when angels came and took them they said don’t look back …. she did with longing desire and turned to salt . Don’t look back when Angels come for us
3) Luke 21:36 says PRAY ALWAYS you are found worthy to escape these things that he described and if that meant eternal a different word would have been used .
4) If you don’t know the day or hour of one event then Jesus isn’t referring to RAPTURE HERE IS HE? NO, yet He describe that later after verse 32 doesn’t he? Yes … however Matthew 24:15 Jesus was answering the questions asked about the end for his second coming and Jesus quoted DANIEL who said, When u see the abomination of desolation is ata ding in the holy place it will be 1290 day days… That’s a specific day,
5) Jesus also stated it will be like “the” day noah was placed into the ark… Not taken out of context,look at what happened “the” day noah went into the ARK. God shut them up in ark 7 days before wrath on earth (RESCUED IN SARTH BEFORE FLOOD-not in middle of flood, not enduring the flood but before the flood )
6) Jesus also stated THIS IN LUKE, Remember Lots Wife
So who is twisting meanings of text? It’s the teacher here. same word RAPTURE harpadzo moses up to mountain transported up to God, Enoch was transported to Heaven off earth… SAME WORD
sound? Is he looking over some words that Jesus said ??? let’s look
Actually Jesus used the example of ” day Lot saying “it will be like “the” day Lot was taken out of sodom and Gomorrah,(God removed them via angels ) the angels told them, We can’t pour out wrath until they were out of there safely… This was not eternal nor did it imply their eternal safety, it was SAFETY on earth and removed
2) Jesus also stated “Remember LOTS WIFE! Why? because when angels came and took them they said don’t look back …. she did with longing desire and turned to salt . Don’t look back when Angels come for us
3) Luke 21:36 says PRAY ALWAYS you are found worthy to escape these things that he described and if that meant eternal a different word would have been used .
4) If you don’t know the day or hour of one event then Jesus isn’t referring to RAPTURE HERE IS HE? NO, yet He describe that later after verse 32 doesn’t he? Yes … however Matthew 24:15 Jesus was answering the questions asked about the end for his second coming and Jesus quoted DANIEL who said, When u see the abomination of desolation is ata ding in the holy place it will be 1290 day days… That’s a specific day,
5) Jesus also stated it will be like “the” day noah was placed into the ark… Not taken out of context,look at what happened “the” day noah went into the ARK. God shut them up in ark 7 days before wrath on earth (RESCUED IN SARTH BEFORE FLOOD-not in middle of flood, not enduring the flood but before the flood )
6) Jesus also stated THIS IN LUKE, Remember Lots Wife
So who is twisting meanings of text? It’s the teacher here. same word RAPTURE harpadzo moses up to mountain transported up to God, Enoch was transported to Heaven off earth… SAME WORD
Please pray for my deliverance from sexual immorality and addiction as well as endurance until the end, in the name of Jesus. I want to live the life God has called me to.
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All things are possible with God. May He watch over and empower you so Satan will flee, and sin will have no grip on you.
❤️🙏🏼
Solomon I've been there. You have to want God more. Rebuke it. Renounce it. DENY YOURSELF. Romans 4-5. Your old man is dead. Believe it. Speak to your soul. Speak to your flesh.
@@johnd5805 Thank you Brody.
I sure am glad that Jesus endured until the end on my behalf. 🙂👍
Well, right now crushing people under my none feet doesn’t feel good, however vengeance is mine saith the Lord. You can’t imagine how blessed that is to me being an amputee with chronic pain. I can’t wait for that day !
Amen. Delivered through, not from. Keep your eyes on Yeshua.
tereo ek means removal from.
@@donhaddix3770 where?
@@donhaddix3770 to keep from, subtly different See how Jesus uses it in Jn 17:15.
@@chava2uk150 revelation 3:10 does NOT say keep through. It says KEEP FROM. Tereo ek. EK (ek)
Preposition Strong's 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will KEEP THEE FROM the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
You are literally going against Jesus own words. He said “keep out of the time of testing the whole world”. Not keep through it.
Concerning john 17:15 Jesus is preparing to depart, and He's praying to the Father for His disciples as they're about to embark on a long and difficult journey without Him and He's praying to the Father, saying, "Please don't take them out of the world, but protect them" The phrase "please don't take them out of the world" makes perfect sense because, their real journey was about to start and He wanted them to complete the journey. Jesus did not want his disciples out of the word yet because they had to spread the gospel as the church age began. If they were taken out, There would be no one on earth to spread the gospel. So they couldn't possibly be taken out yet. This petition was to temporarily not take them out. How do i know? Just keep reading. in the next verses Jesus says:
"'Father, I want those you have given me to be WITH ME where I AM , and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."
John 17:24.
Here he's saying that he does want us to be where he is in so we see his glory. Where is Jesus now and where is his glory? In heaven. So, here we see that he himself said he wants us to be where he is in heaven to see his glory.
and i’ll add that Jesus also mentioned in John 14:2-4 that he we to heaven to prepare a place for us at the Father’s house. And he will take us there someday . So eventually one day he will take his church out of the world to the Fathers house.
In Revelation 2 and 3, the journey is about to conclude, and the Church is about to be rewarded for the journey. The context here is, "because you have kept the word of my patience, i will reward you this”. All the rewards being described in Revelation 2 and 3 are "end of journey" "end of the age" rewards. That's the context here.
John 17:15 is completely taken out of context by post tribbers. It does not prove in any way shape or form that Jesus will not take his church out of the world. That is all made up by the post trib camp.
Does not mean removal
Let's lock arms and cross the finish line... Gave me good chills and happy tears❤
The voices I hear are you’ll never make it, you can’t get through a day let alone a lifetime…. It wears me down but I get back up because his mercies are new every morning
If I'm honest, some days are pure spite for the enemy. I, too, have been worn down. But, if he wants me dead, imma do the next right thing and lean even more into my Lord. If the enemy wants to harass me, imma sing praise and make him listen. God will enable us, one day at a time. He is so good and perfect and kind. And, in my weakness, He is strength. Let's abide in Him, day by day, and we will rejoice when His power is made known to all. I'm praying for your strengthening and encouragement today. He loves you so much. See you in Heaven, sister!
Every morning!! You’ll make it, He’s with you every step of the way; “Keep on keepin’ on”!
Mary rebuke those voices. It is satan. It's your responsibility to put them under your feet. Start now by rebuking them and telling them to shut up and to get under your feet. Start now.
Ohmgosh this has been so beautiful thank you so much I am literally jumping out of my self right now n happiness of the awesomeness of our God can’t wait I cannot wait for the day to be with him for eternity to be with our master and our Lord for eternity amen to the king of kings & lord of lords
Joel this has been a very dynamic and truthful teaching
May the Lord keep giving you His Strength to courageously expose the frightening false teaching about escapism that does not prepare the Body of Christ for what is ahead
May I please have some prayer? I’ve been smoking weed for a couple of years. I’d say I got fooled as I’m sure many have but I have been pressed by Holy Spirit for a while to quit and I’ve been ignoring him. I’m quitting and of course the withdrawals are terrible. And their bad in top of already having an exceptionally rough year. I have seen what’s happening across the world of this “Man dressed in White.” I know who it is. And now there’s revival happening hear and I want to take part in full authenticity for God. I realize now that I’ve hidden my true self from God I want out of this. Thank you everyone and Maranatha
Thank you for boldly and humbly sharing and asking for prayer. I too used to live and breathe smoking weed. The Lord took the desire out of my heart and replaced it with His presence. You will need to break all paraphernalia and everything that binds you to it. Friends, music, anything. He will reward your obedience and protect you. Confess all to Him and allow Him the rightful place on the throne of your heart. I will be praying for you. God bless you and please if you need someone to talk to I am here as a fellow servant of the Most High. If you don't mind I would like to share your testimony with a fellow ship I am a part of and ask them to pray as well? 🙏
I pray for you and all those who are also seeking to overcome an addiction or dependency: May you receive much grace to deal with any changes you may need to make in your lifestyle. May He wring every possible bit of good out of all that you're suffering to purify and refine you so that your pains and efforts aren't wasted. May He get you through the rough patches quickly and may you come to know and remember His faithfulness. May your witness once you've overcome this be a help and encouragement to others.
@@jamie1682 share it all. What is repentance without it bearing some fruit no? Thank you so much for your prayers !
@@gtw4546 it shall be done in Jesus name! Thank you so much!
Watch some Hell dreams videos, or NDE hell experience videos on this platform.. Watching those got us to quit after 45 years. "be of sober mind"... I don't want to end up in hell. The Holy spirit will deliver you if you sincerely ask him to come in and help you.
Thank you, Joel.
God bless you and your ministry.
Patience of the saints... War against the saints...
Prayer and fasting ...
Weapons against powers and principalities... Love of Christ compel us all, Amen!
Thanks again Joel. Wonderful teaching.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I AM, there ye may be also.
It’s crazy how people allow fear to keep them from hearing the truth. People get so mad at me when I tell them that God doesn’t show favoritism. They don’t like hearing that we are the tribulation saints. It’s so mind blowing that they rather believe a lie than the truth. Repenting is the only escape we have from the wrath of God.
I LOVE THESE TEACHINGS
Maranatha 🙏🏻 Come Lord Yeshua 🙏🏻
"And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Revelation 12:11
I was raised in the pre-trib, pre-rath, rapture teaching. Then, God opened my eyes as He continues to wash me in the whole context and counsel of His Word. My spirit bares witness with His Spirit and Word as you are teaching. There is deep peace, the fear of the Lord, His Almighty power and His love for those who will believe in Christ. My heart cries out to know Him in Spirit and in truth, to prepare the way for our soon coming King and to be in fellowship with those who receive this teaching. He knew we would be in the earth during this time and has given us all we need in His victory to overcome. Praying about participating in the July Summit.
Maranatha!!!
Excellent teaching!
MARANATHA🙏🙏🙏
Beautiful teaching, thank you so much. I shall send to my ex pre trib Pastor. He has So many following his false teaching. How sad to see, he has young families and old people and all sorts...and he is leading them to slaughter 😥
Praise God that He gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. HalleluYAH 🙌
Thank you. May the spirit continue you with you as you help us to come to the truth.
God poured His wrath on Egypt and He spared Israelis. They didn't have to leave. God knows who is who... I think some people are so afraid of the tribulation and don't trust God to see them thru...and that's even a greater sin!...
All the saints dying during the great tribulation are those who are willingly giving their lives for the testimony of Jesus, being slaughtered by the AC and going as matyrs for Jesus. They are welcomed with white robes, guys! These saints are very special in heaven. In the millennial kingdom these saints will be celebrities.. 👏👏
There are no saints dying from the plagues. The bible clearly states those killed by plagues refuse to repent and more wrath comes. So God is protecting saints from the wrath but allowing matyrdom...God is highly glorified when we die as matyrs..
Thank you. It provides a full answer to something I was trying to explain a couple of weeks ago
As always, thank you for teaching what the scriptures actually say. The fullness of the scriptures is paramount to a true understanding as well as to honing one's faith.
It is always great to hear someone speak of their understanding and to hear my own understanding in those words.
So concise and clear, thank you so much❤️🙏🏼!!
Not appointed to Gods wrath is true. But the tribulation is Satans wrath.
Amen
Amen! Joel.
This is one of the most clear and concise teachings that I’ve heard on the end times and Jesus’ Second Coming! Thank you!! 👍🏻🙏
Not appointed unto wrath.
Appointed unto tribulations because it’s the tribulum which separates wheat from chaff.
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Tribulation is what satan and the fallen world does the the church (the saints).
Wrath is what God Himself pours out on satan and the fallen world.
@@discipleaj
God already poured out His wrath upon the covenant breakers, first century apostate Israel who killed our Lord Jesus Christ... Apostate Jerusalem in the first century is Mystery Babylon..
God bless you
@@lavieenrose5954
Luke 18:32 and 33 - He will be delivered over to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33They will flog Him and kill Him, and on the third day He will rise again.”
Romans beat and scourged Yeshua as He carried his cross...
Romans put the spikes in Yeshua's hands... (John 19:23)
Romans put the spikes in Yeshua's feet... (John 19:23)
Romans erected the cross that Yeshua was put upon... (John 19:23)
It was a Roman Soldier who thrust a spear into Yeshua's side...
It was a Jewish Pharisee who have his tomb for Yeshua to be placed into...
Mystery Babylon wears purple and scarlet...
She has been drunk off the blood of the martyrs...
She sits on seven hills...
These same Romans started "the church"...
Her Bishops and Cardinals wear purple and scarlet...
She has tortured and murdered MILLIONS of the Martyrs...
Rome sits on seven hills...
You may want to re-state your comment about Israel...
Once you accept Yeshua as Messiah you are "Grafted IN" to Israel. (Romans 11)
And you are no longer a foreigner, of the nations or a gentile, but a citizen of Israel. (Ephesians 2:19 and 1 Corinthians 12:2)
There is NO SUCH THING as a Jewish or Gentile "Christian". (Galatians 3:28)
People who CLAIM to follow Yeshua the Messiah thinking they are still a gentile is one of the things that have caused so much confusion and so many false teachings in "the church"...
If they are still a gentile, then they have NO PLACE in any of the Covenants or the Blessings of Israel. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
BUT...
If they INSIST as being counted as a "Gentile", then they will be counted as "the Nations" who come up to the Kingdom, not part of the Kingdom... (Micah 4:2, Zechariah 14:17)
There are NO "Gentile" gates or a "Church" gate in the Kingdom... (Revelation 21:12)
WRATH is going to fall on idolaters...(1 Corinthians 6:9)
ChistMass or Easter anyone?
Yep, it's bad enough they extrapolate wild meanings into scripture to support their doctrine which flies in the face of plainly stated scripture, BUT they can't even tell the difference between wrath and tribulation! They're so used to twisting scriptures' meanings that now they redefine words as well.
I thought the blood of Christ covering the person separates wheat from chaff.
Amen 🙏🙏🙏
Your opening prayer, or lack there of, moves me to tears.
AMEN ON THE SCRIPTURAL TEACHING OF A POST TRIB RAPTURE & CONDITIONAL SALVATION. MOST IN THE BODY HAVE IT WRONG BECAUSE SIN & SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS FROM THE DEVIL HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES
I used to believe in the "whoosh" we're gone philosophy of pre-trib rapture, but after I studied the scriptures and considered FAI teachings I have come to the conclusion that, scripturally speaking, the teachings of Joel are the correct interpretation of the second coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
👍🏻maranatha!
That's so true! If we cannot be on the earth while the wrath of God is bring revealed upon the earth, then what do we do with Romans 1? The fact is that currently the wrath of God IS being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of man, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. This is the "simmering" wrath of God - the wrath that is seen within individuals and within certain cultures. However, there is the "boiling over" wrath of God that is coming.
Romans 1 " The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness."
Revelation 3:10
New International Version
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Romans was being revealed. Revelation is going to come on the whole world. different.
Pastors don't even like to talk about Christ flipping tables and driving out the money changers with a whip. So I appreciate a sound teaching on His indignation with the unritious. It's convicting and encouraging at the same time.
It all boils down to what they define TRIBUALTION is VS what WRATH is.
The TRIBUALTION , the 3.5 years, is NOT GOD's WRATH!
We will not get God's WRATH, but we will be here for the GREAT TRIBULATION, again which is not GOD's Wrath. . .
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9, wrath is contrasted with salvation, not location. Compare Isaiah 51:6, Malachi 4:1-3.
There is no such scripture telling of a three and a half year tribulation.
Seventy weeks are determined upon *thy people and upon thy holy city*
...to finish the transgression, and
(Jn 1:29; 1 Jn 3:5; Is 53:12)
...to make an end of sins, and
(1 Cor 15:3; Col 1:19-20; Heb 9:26-28)
...to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
(Rom 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18; Col 1:20-22; Eph 2:14-16)
...to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
(Matt 3:15; Rom 3:21-22; Rom 8:4; 2 Cor 5:21)
...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
(Jn 19:30; Luke 24:25-27; Rev 19:10)
...to anoint the most Holy.
(Is 61:1; Mark 1:15; Luke 4:18; Heb 9:8)
{Daniel 9:24} < The context
And he [the Messiah] shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK (the seventieth) he [Christ] SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations (the continued temple sacrifices, after Christ one perfect sacrifice.) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ("Behold your house has been left unto you desolate.")
{Daniel 9:27}
7 weeks + 62 weeks + *one week* = 70 weeks, to anoint the most Holy, and to seal up the vision and the prophecy.
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, *It was necessary* that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: (for there were three and a half years remaining grace for "thy people" of the final week.) but seeing ye put it from you, and *judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life* lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
{Acts 13:46-48}
To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until *the land had enjoyed her sabbaths* for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
{2 Chronicles 36:21}
For 490 years, equal to 70 sabbath rest for the land every seventh year, that Israel and Judah transgressed the law of God.
This is why they received seventy years exiled in bondage in the land of Babylon.
There was no gap in their seventy years in exil, and there is no gap in the 490 years of transgressing the law of God, and there most certainly was no gap unto the coming of the Messiah who did not come in a vacuum, but rather confirmed his covenant with many for there and a half years, and in the land of Israel's inheritance.
The stoning of Steven is when probation closed on the covenant that God made with the their fathers, exactly three and a half years after Jesus Christ, our passover was sacrificed for us, and the gospel of the kingdom of heaven went out unto the Gentiles also.
@@larrybedouin2921 Excellent.
People don't want to hear about the tribulation ion They just want to nasrerbate
@@larrybedouin2921
Excellent Larry.......and notice that Stephen exclaimed he saw Christ *standing* not sitting at God’s right hand. This means judgement and the final judgement against the covenant breakers came in 70AD when God obliterated Jerusalem and her temple just as Christ prophesied in His Olivet Discourse *this generation will not pass til all these things have been fulfilled* ...
God bless you
This is "solid food" that we're so much in need. Thank you very much Joel and FAI Team, you're a blessing !!! All series of FAI studies are biblical based and down to earth teachings that has been opening my spiritual understanding of who our Messiah and Lord Jesus really is !!! It's so profound, incredible and most important to our lives, I can't even put it in words how it affects me. May He keep protecting and blessing all of you guys every new morning 🙌🏻 thanks a lot !!! After these last years listening and watching your great work, I feel like I've known you personally for a long time 🤭 it may sound strange but it's real. 🌼 And I'm so thankful that God has approached me to courageous and bold sisters and brothers who are up to teach us the whole biblical truth !!! Amen and amen, maranatha!!! 🙌🏻
I absolutely love the intro music and Thank you Brother for your knowledge and wisdom.
Full version here: ua-cam.com/video/tbczGZk4VQI/v-deo.html
Great video
Thank you
We have a lot of nambi pambi Christians yesterday and today that cry loud to the Lord when suffering from the worlds persecution rather than thanking the Lord that they are found worthy. For those Foxes Book of Martyrs would be a good read.
Ray Hannum. Great response. Yes so many nanny pambi christians- I keep trying different churches but even their pastors and elders do not believe in evangelism AT ALL. Including RC Sproul! Most are pre trib and will not even discuss or debate the pre vs post trib debate. They even persecute those who evangelize and those who are post trib. I sought Christian counseling and was told that almost all churches are watered down versions of what the Scriptures say. This is because of the infiltration of the commies in the
1940-50’s.
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress ALONE; and of the people there was NONE WITH ME: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. This is probably an oversimplification, but I would appreciate hearing your teaching on how believers are going to join in this trampling.
I think of revelation 12:11as how they will join in the trampling. I heard this I think in FAI's revelation series.
Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet in the day that I SHALL DO THIS, saith the LORD of hosts. Ok, I understand, we shall tread on their ashes, AFTER the Lord Jesus tramples them. (Zechariah 14:12)
Having studied eschatology for over 40 years, God knows my heart is to know and believe truth. While I appreciate much of your teachings, I’m most definitely of the belief that Jesus will bring His bride, the church, to Heaven to be with Him while God pours out His wrath on this world. To say that pre-tribbers believe the church will not ever face tribulations is false. The church has faced constant tribulations since Jesus was taken up to Heaven. I think when Jesus says that the end time will be as the days of Noah and the days of Lot, He is teaching that as Noah was protected from Gods wrath on this earth, and as Lot was protected from Gods wrath, so will the bride of Christ, be protected. Jesus took Gods wrath on the cross..As believers in Christ, we do not have to face Gods wrath. During the 7 years of tribulation, there will be those that come to Christ and most likely will be put to death. There would be no need of 144,000 witnesses, 2 witnesses in Jerusalem, and the angel that flies over the earth proclaiming the Gospel if no one believes during the tribulation. So I listened to several of your teachings to hear both sides. In my spirit I’m still firm on my understanding. Should I see the Anti Christ make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, I’ll reconsider. Peace to you.
Just finished listening on the app. One of your best hours of teaching ever, Joel! Such a wonderful study!
Hidden on earth in a place prepared for them, those remaining are caught up as He comes back and they join Him on His March to Jerusalem.
The Israelites did not leave Egypt until after the plagues. The plagues were not meant for them, but they were there for it all.
What do pre-trib believers have to say about that? Not much, in my experience. They'll just agree to disagree, with hands tightly clamped over their ears.
Unfortunately this has been my experience with my friends and family and church. Pre trib is just too delightful to believe and too consistent with the typical American experience of Christianity. My wife bless her has listened to me studying and changing my mind over the last 3 years and agrees with the call to endure for our Lord.
@@zacharyhockett6248 My parents were hardcore pretribers, despite my annoying habit of bringing it up frequently. I'm not sure what happened, but one day, 20 years later, they just realized they'd been wrong the whole time. They actually recommended FAI to me. It takes time to chop through the weeds, but sometimes it makes a difference.
Thank you Joel for making clear sense of this message.
Excellent teacher thank you you break it down so well God bless you and your family 🙏🙏🙏❤
Wooooow😮 beautiful brother Joel!
THAT’S OUR BLESSED HOPE RIGHT THERE!! MALACHI 3:4!! 🙏🙏
The glorious return of our king!
Thanks brother Joel!!
Amen Joel..I loved this session..very challenging,thought provoking and encouraging. I always learn so much from you.. teachings I've never heard in all my years as a believer..for such a time as this. Maranatha ❤️
Thank you for your commitment to this teaching. I am finding this very helpful in my understanding of eschatology. It would be very helpful if you would display a timeline of events as you describe in this series. Thank you again!
They did a video about that. So good! Not sure what it was called. A few years back on their YT page. Understanding Revelations or something...
Beware Of False Teachers Who Come With Confusion In The Last Days
Discipleship 101, I love it, Praise God❤️🙏🏼
I believe that as soon as the AC does his thing in the temple, we'll be raptured. Based on 2Thessalonians and a powerful dream vision prophecy that I had about the tribulation
You need to judge your dream by scripture, not vice-versa.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh I mentioned the scripture first did I not?
@@timothyhowie6171 Mentioning the scripture isn't sufficient to show whether you're interpreting it through your dream or vice-versa.
There is no scriptural support for the idea that the Rapture will occur "as soon as the AC does his thing in the temple". What Matthew 24:15-16 and Mark 13:14 tell us is that's the signal for disciples to flee and seek refuge in the mountains. Christ's return is still some time off at that point.
@@Berean_with_a_BTh that doesn't make sense at all.
@@timothyhowie6171 If you say so...
Joel, great point about the saints participation in the graphic events. Revelation 19:17-18 NKJV
Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, [18] that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
Thank you for this video, and for your emphasis on enduring till the end. I was just reading a few days ago in Revelation 2 and the common phrase Jesus gives to John to write down for all the seven churches is: "The one who conquers...".
The key to understanding the timing of the rapture is Revelation. It's telling you it's in order. That is why you have the 7 seals. The 7 trumpets, the Seven Bowls. If you can't see they are in order you will never get it.
The first mention of the wrath of God is right after....
Rev 6
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth,
Rev 7 the Christians are around the throne of God. They came out of the great tribulation. The rapture has already happened. You are given the order of events right here. The 5th seal is the culmination of the tribulation for Christians. We are on the earth during the first 5 seals. After the sun, the moon, and the stars is the rapture. Compare to Mat 24, it is all right there. It is not difficult at all.
You just debunked yourself. Saints are transfigured in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump. The last trump is not before the tribulation.
If your saying Christians "have" to go through tribulation to obtain salvation, what about those who have already died saved loving Christ?
Amen my brothers and sisters I'm a studyre of birds you guys in Israel at least 280 different species meat eating birds just came out of nowhere for the great feast
What!, really? When did this happen? Are these new species of birds?
I've been reading Foxes Book of Martyrs and if there is a pre-trib rapture, then God will have to apologize to every last martyr.
You should have said a pre trib rapture.
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Im still not sure you know where your rapture verse is.
i see your mouth moving but no biblical proof.
The ceasing of sacrifices happens in the middle, (Dan 9:27) but the abomination of desolation happens 1290 days later (Dan 12:11)
Seventy weeks are determined upon *thy people and upon thy holy city*
...to finish the transgression, and
(Jn 1:29; 1 Jn 3:5; Is 53:12)
...to make an end of sins, and
(1 Cor 15:3; Col 1:19-20; Heb 9:26-28)
...to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
(Rom 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18; Col 1:20-22; Eph 2:14-16)
...to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
(Matt 3:15; Rom 3:21-22; Rom 8:4; 2 Cor 5:21)
...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
(Jn 19:30; Luke 24:25-27; Rev 19:10)
...to anoint the most Holy.
(Is 61:1; Mark 1:15; Luke 4:18; Heb 9:8)
{Daniel 9:24} < The context
And he [the Messiah] shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK (the seventieth) he [Christ] SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations (the continued temple sacrifices, after Christ one perfect sacrifice.) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ("Behold your house has been left unto you desolate.")
{Daniel 9:27}
7 weeks + 62 weeks + *one week* = 70 weeks, to anoint the most Holy, and to seal up the vision and the prophecy.
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, *It was necessary* that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: (for there were three and a half years remaining grace for "thy people" of the final week.) but seeing ye put it from you, and *judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life* lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
{Acts 13:46-48}
To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until *the land had enjoyed her sabbaths* for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
{2 Chronicles 36:21}
For 490 years, equal to 70 sabbath rest for the land every seventh year, that Israel and Judah transgressed the law of God.
This is why they received seventy years exiled in bondage in the land of Babylon.
There was no gap in their seventy years in exil, and there is no gap in the 490 years of transgressing the law of God, and there most certainly was no gap unto the coming of the Messiah who did not come in a vacuum, but rather confirmed his covenant with many for there and a half years, and in the land of Israel's inheritance.
The stoning of Steven is when probation closed on the covenant that God made with the their fathers, exactly three and a half years after Jesus Christ, our passover was sacrificed for us, and the gospel of the kingdom of heaven went out unto the Gentiles also.
Would really like an extended version of the opening song! lol
Full version at: ua-cam.com/video/tbczGZk4VQI/v-deo.html
1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 (NKJV) 9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, [even] Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
That flannel is gangster...
Try Roman's 5: 1-6 if you're not sure your saved.
I always read not being destined for wrath to be the lake of fire as well. Never even crossed my mind it would refer to any temporal judgment on this earth.
That being said, even IF you want to apply that verse to the temporal wrath of God, Revelation explicitly defines the wrath of God, the 7 bowls of WRATH! Can't get much clearer than that.
Now what's interesting is the 7 bowls of wrath are actually the 7th Trumpet, which is the last trumpet mentioned in the Bible.
Note Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up AT THE LAST TRUMPET.
So right there it shows we do get raptured right as the Judgment of God comes upon the earth which IS His second coming.
So, it fits perfectly with a post-Trib, pre-Wrath rapture doctrine.
Also, Rev 20:4-5 spells out that the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded for not worshipping the Beast or accepting the mark. Since Paul spells out that the dead in Christ rise FIRST and THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up, it's impossible for the rapture to take place before the first resurrection which includes the saints martyred in the tribulation and therefore the rapture is POST tribulation.
None of this requires reading any hidden meaning in any verse, or extrapolating any meaning, creating multiple returns of Christ or assuming words written to other churches apply to us.
Someone somewhere said a red letter Bible will make it clear what Jesus said, which doesn’t support pretrib. Cool🙏🏼❤️!
39:50 - is this what it meant by not hurting the oil and the wine?
“Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.” (Rom. 5:9)
“And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead - Jesus - who rescues us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thes. 1:10)
“Let us be self-controlled putting on faith and love and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thes. 5:9)
In all three passages, Paul is not talking about the wrath that God will pour out during the day of the Lord, rather he is contrasting the eternal wrath of hell to eternal salvation, not tribulation or day of the Lord wrath.
What about Luke 21:34-36?
There is an escape described here on the Day of the Lord.
2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 also says there's a rest for believers on the Day Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels to take vengeance.
This rest is also declared in Revelation 14:12-14 just before the Son of Man appears on the cloud, identical to Matthew 24:30.
What is the Day of the Lord? It's not Revelation 19. It's Revelation 6:12-17.
The signs here are an exact match to Joel 2:31-32.
There's a deliverance on this day for all who call upon the name of the Lord.
Isaiah 34:4-8 also identifies the Day of Vengeance as matching the signs given in Revelation 6:12-14
Also Isaiah 13:6-13
Psalm 7:6-7 says the Lord is angry and He comes and the congregation will surround Him (1st Thessalonians 4:13-17) and then He returns to on high for their sake. Sounds like Matthew 25. They go and shut their doors behind them and hide until the indignation is past.
Isaiah 26:19-21
Job 14:10-17
Jesus coming read Bible Thess chapter 1&2 temple Jerusalem after lawless one rules Amen 🙏💗🤣
We will all forever suffer the first death which is Physical death.
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I don’t know about this teaching. It flies in the face of what I have been taught. I will consider it though.
I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT EXPLAINING THE FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF RAPTURE, IS CONFUSED WITH THE FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO STEPS OR STAGES OF THE SAME EVENT OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ONE IN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND, AT HIS SECOND COMING, AND THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT IT. THIS INCONGRUENCE OF TWO STAGES OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION, IS THE ONE THAT LED ME TO UNDERSTAND RAPTURE HAS TO BE AT THE SECOND COMING AS JOHN 14:1-2 HAS SAID!
Our church is also post trib pre wrath
So your wrong find a new church, Matt 24 Jesus says it is pre trib
@@heknows5418 I'm a Pastor, I know what the Bible teaches.
@@ChrisHolman great then as the Bible clearly states that the tribulation is Gods Wrath poured out of unbelievers for rejection of His son then why must a Christian endure wrath of God? Wouldn’t that be like Jesus saying dear bride I going to take you to a great feast at my fathers house BUT first I’m going to let the devil and his hoards of evil have their way with you, beat you maybe even kill you, then we’re going to go have dinner, wouldn’t that make Jesus a wife beater, and as some have said that proves your love , well in that case doesn’t that negate grace? Matt 24 Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the coming of the son of man, Jesus said they were eating , drinking. Giving in marriage, NORMAL everyday life, then Jesus says two will be in the field one taken one left, two at the mill one taken one left, NORMAL everyday life. When we read Revelation with all the famines, earthquakes, asteroids, poisoned water how is anyone going to caring on with normal everyday cares of life it will take all that a person can do just to survive. That is why I read Matt 24 and in prayer I believe in a Pre Tribulation rapture, for many years I believed in mid trib but since changed to Pre Tribulation. I feel I owe you an apology for my first comment about getting a new church, for that I am sorry, but I have enjoyed the discussion, Blessings on you
Some people believe that when God said I give you eternal life that he really meant it. We know he really meant temporary life unless we earn it through enduring to the end right?
Yup. Wrath doesn't start until the bowls: "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth" Revelation 16:1.
that wrath is THUMOS
the 7 trumpet/vial plagues
everyone will be here for it or dead.
the wrath Jesus comes to save us from is ORGE
The wrath we are not appointed to is ORGE.
ORGE comes
at the 7th seal
(written at the end of seal 6)
at the 7th trumpet
at the harvest
at the 7th vial
at the wedding feast - Armageddon
its all the same ORGE
5 different views
the same ONE coming of the Lord
5 individual views
he comes after he opens the 7th seal
he comes at the 7th trumpet
he comes at the harvest
he comes at the 7th vial
he comes at the wedding feast -
Armageddon.
may this help you understand Revelation a little better.
@@LastDaySaintJames thanks
Joel, you have correctly put Matt 24:29-31 together with Rev 6:12-17
The 6th seal. Now, you jump to the sounding of the 7th trumpet. Wait a minute because now is the opening of the 7th seal at which point the 7 trumpets are given to the 7 Angels. The 7th trumpet has not happened has it? No. Because they have only just been given to the 7 Angels. Yet the rapture has just happened. The event of the rapture & translation of our bodies happens at the last trump. Therefore, the last trump and the 7th trump can not be the same. I will repeat that. The last trump and the 7th trumpet can not be the same.
Very good message! What are your thoughts about the total duration of all 7 bowls of wrath? I still believe Jesus will return in a jubilee year at the feast of trumpets when the 7th bowl is also poured out.
We in the post-Tribulation camp often criticize our brothers and sisters in the pre-Tribulation camp for holding to the idea of imminency, but doesn't this error also apply to amillennialists? They believe Jesus Christ can and will return at _any moment._ In the case of pre-Tribbers, they believe the _Rapture_ is imminent; in the case of amillennialists, they believe the _Second Coming_ is imminent. Both ideas are erroneous. As post-Tribbers, we believe that a specific series of prophetically significant events must occur before the Rapture and the Second Coming (we generally consider them to be synonymous or at least temporally simultaneous) take place - a premise that amillennialists reject. We post-Tribbers should spend more time critiquing the amillennialist version of the doctrine of imminency.
The resurrected will indeed be impervious to the wrath poured out. But what about their young children? Do you have an answer to that situation?
If the day of the Lord and the day of our gathering together to him is in fact the same day. Than we would be in our glorified bodies. However if the gathering and the day of the lord are separate days it would not be impossible for Yeshua to cover or hide us from his wrath just as he did in Noah's time or Lot's time or even during the exodus where the Israelites did not experience what the Egyptians did. I have some doubt as to the days being the same day only because I cant see the church of Thessalonica being upset(shaken) because they missed "the day of the Lord" (wrath) Paul said not to be shaken as if they were shaken or disturbed.
44:43 - I like that, that's comprehensive, G-d in literal anthropomorphic terms
Read REV. 22. vs 18-19.
Never understood pretrib. If we are to read Scripture like a child, then I'm not sure how people skip over Revelation 16:15, which is said in the midst of the bowls of wrath. How can anyone be waiting for the Lord like a thief in the night when we are supposedly in Heaven from the Rapture? It makes zero sense.
If you think about it, before Jesus comes back, the devil and the people of earth will be copying a version of Gods wrath (persecution) on the church of Christ. It’s not all daisies all the time for the church.
the 5th seal, which is before the wrath of God, speaks of great christian persecution. btw, this idea of "tribulation saints" cannot be true because that would mean that parts of the Bible are not true for those believers.
I appreciate what you guys are doing. That being said does it really matter when he comes back? If you are abiding in the vine then when he comes is simply a fulfillment of our hope in him. The timing is irrelevant.
The BELIEF in the timing is not irrelevant. The Bible says if possible even the very elect would be deceived. If we are truly abiding in the vine, then we are about the Word of God and what it has to say on the subject. I believe Joel and others are teaching the importance of timing because many believers, especially western believers have lost the desire and meaning of Eschatalogy. The Pre-Tribulational view dogmatically and explicitly teaches the church will NOT see tribulation or Anti-Christ. This is dangerous and could lead professing Christians to think that the Anti-Christ IS the Messiah. Most western pastors are uncomfortable with prophecy and teaching it from the pulpit. Things are changing rapidly and we must be watchful. I believe that is what Joel (and others) are about. The church is going to get a rude awakening and a time of testing such as never been before. In my opinion, too many Christians are uninterested and apathetic to the return of Christ. They like their comfortable life. These teachings remind us, a time is soon coming of great discomfort.
Can you clarify Revelation 12:12? Do Pretrib individuals mistake the wrath of Satan for the wrath of God?
There is NO 7 year period of tribulation....Daniel 12 shows the end time period to be just over 3.5 years....The 70 week prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 is one of the most butchered prophecies in the entire Bible.
I am wondering what about past believers that have died in say like the 1900s, who do not have to endure the tribulation. Why must the survivors in tribulation be tested and not them?
Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Jesus! Being self centred is the major problem of humankind. It’s all about I, me and myself. We are a new creation and live by the Spirit and not the flesh. We do not know God if we live carnally. Let’s keep our eyes on Jesus and be patient and have endurance - which we will have by His Spirit in us.
It's pretty clear in Revelations 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of [b]their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Anyone watch Rockislandbooks videos? New one gives a timeline. Wondering what others think. Maranatha.
What if the 7th trumpet includes the wrath of God in the bowls? What if it extends well into the future? Notice the similar language of seeing the temple opened and the ark of the covenant seen, your wrath came... a great earthquake and hailstorm. All agrees with the 7 bowls of wrath and the scene in heaven just prior.
Yes, the symbols in Revelation are stacked with each other. The 7 seals, with the 7th seal being the 7 Trumpets, and the 7th Trumpet is the 7 bowls of wrath.
So the pre-wrath, post-trib rapture fits perfectly with all of scriptures.
Paul says the dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up at the LAST trumpet. The 7th Trumpet is the last trumpet mentioned in the Bible, which IS the 7 bowls of wrath. Therefore, we are caught up just as God comes to earth to pour out his wrath on the ungodly.
Also Rev 20:4-5 spells out that the FIRST resurrection includes the tribulation martyrs. Since no one can be raptured prior to the first resurrection, it's clear we do go through the tribulation, as the tribulation martyrs are raised in the first resurrection and the rapture can't take place after that.
Can you please turn up your volume?
That’s right, not appointed to wrath. And no, He didn’t mean “hell” when He said it. Shouldn’t we already know, as believers, that we’re not appointed to Hell?? I mean, why would He need to tell us that? Doesn’t that alone seem kinda silly?
The “wrath” He spoke of is the 7 year tribulation. Those who are watching for His return won’t be appointed to it.
Those who aren’t, well…
The Scriptures frequently say we're delivered from death, hell, etc. Why is this strange to you? "He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son" (Col 1:13). Please provide a single verse to support the claim that the full seven years before Jesus returns is entirely "the wrath of God."
@@JoelRichardson I never implied that the tribulation is entirely the wrath of God, brother. I’m alluding to what Dalton mentioned in a previous teaching about 1 Thessalonians 5:9. He dismissed it as pointing to a pre-trib rapture when it does.
Of course Hell is the wrath of God. My point is that believers aren’t appointed to there. We have already been delivered and have an eternity with the Lord. So what else would Paul be talking about, other than believers not having to experience the wrath of God poured out on earth during the Tribulation?
The other argument would be that we would experience Antichrists wrath then. The same still applies. If Jesus is the ultimate Judge, then what He appoints or doesn’t appoint according to His word is what I will trust in.
We’re already appointed to tribulation, persecution, and suffering. That was just as much of a promise made by Him as us not being appointed to His wrath.
@@JoelRichardson also, what else would Paul be trying to convey to the church of Thessalonica, other than comforting them and assuring them that the rapture hasn’t already occurred?
Every verse in chapter 5 leading up to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is sound indication of that. Actually, if you’ve been paying attention the the UN council meetings and their “peace and safety” calls in the recent years (and there are many) then verse 3 would really stand out to you. They’re the children of darkness Paul described.
They’re the ones appointed to wrath. God will also circle back to His chosen people in those soon coming seven years, and they will know Jesus is their Messiah.
There is absolutely zero reason for regenerate believers to go through the tribulation. It is for Israel and for those who reject Jesus.
@@LostCause36keep your lamp lit and trust in what the Lord has revealed to you, they don't like the truth nor do they search out scripture for themselves. Zephaniah 2:3 🙏 Maranatha
What about all the children during Satan's wrath?