Mike did pass the ball. Career 5.3 assists per game, to go along with the 30 points. And he actually had more assists during the years when they were losing to the Pistons and people said he was not passing enough. 8 assists per game in 1988-89.
Yeah if that guy actually did his research, he would be singing a different tune. These podcasts are great and bad. I pick carefully. Did that guy not watch the last dance
Man literally has the highest assist average in a Finals series for a non pg. Funny how a so called pass first player isn’t that but ball hog Jordan did it, go figure
#6 all-time in APG for all shooting guards. That 24 game span in 88-89 where he played PG was insane. Had 10 triple doubles in one 11 game stretch. Had 11.4 assists per game in the 1991 Finals. Definitely not a coincidence it was against Magic - he was sending a message.
@@JK-br1mu Yep and he did something that year not even Magic or LeBron ever did ---- 7 straight triple doubles. And he did that playing pg for the first time during that 20+ game stretch.
Noted as a durable player, Jordan did not miss four or more games while active for a full season from 1986-87 to 2001-02, when he injured his right knee. His competitiveness was visible in his prolific trash talk and well-known work ethic. Jordan often used perceived slights to fuel his performances.
One of my favorite stories is from John Starks talking about the scouting reports they would get on players. You know like, `favors his right,` "poor shooter from X range" when it got to MJ it just said "Good Luck!" 😂
@@somersetcace1 Oh,man,thanks for the answer,amigo.That's-WILD. LOL.I have-MAD-respect for Starks tho,went from working at a-SAFEWAY-store to becoming an nba-starter for the New York Knicks is like a fairy tale come true. I salute Mr Starks for his determination and persistence to becoming an nba-star in the league.
When MJ was made the point guard for the last 3rd of a season, he put up astronomical numbers, triple doubles and stat lines that will never be broken. If u don’t kno plz look it up. 40+ point triple doubles with blocks and steals and sometimes 1 turnover. Triple/doubles with 12/15/20+ assists, etc. insane.
I personally believe MJ was mis-positioned most of his career and should've insisted on playing point guard. If he really was the best ever, why wouldn't you want him to handle the ball every posession.
I want the NBA to combine the accolades and stats of ABA players so bad like they just did in baseball with the MLB combining the National Negro League. It’ll make things so interesting
I lived in Chicago during the late 80s to 93 and saw many bulls games including Magic Lakers vs bulls before Jordan had any rings. They could not beat my Piston bad boys nor could they beat Larry Bird and the Celtics. The bulls team when to my post grad school and got to meet them all but for testing purposes. They all are giants 5"11 felt like a midget and their reflexes on the testing we do were all better than the population norms. Anyway I've seen most the old guys play and My favs in the 80s were Larry Bird (Well I hated him) but Magic, MJ, Isaiah Thomas ( well the entire Piston team for me) Dr J i was a big fan of. Charles Barkley. Bird, MJ and MJ were stand outs that could be on any starting team in history.
I kinda hit the jackpot then. Saw MJ in person, saw Bo Jackson in person and played against Barry in high school for two years. For sure a great time to be alive!
Thank u my dude, that makes me feel even more privileged. Privileged to have been in that era of hip-hop rock ‘n’ roll, and all four of the major sports arguably being the best ever. Pop culture. The world even.
Especially being born and growing up in the Detroit area and Barry Sanders being my guy and watching the bad boys fight with Michael Jordan while I secretly rooted for MJ and had all of his posters and shoes, my whole life growing up from the Air Jordan three all the way to the Air Jordan 14…and when I was in 11th grade, it would be the Air Jordan 12 so every grade I was in it was the air Jordan number after. So easy to remember what kind of shoes I had in each school year because it was air Jordans every year. Tenth grade, I didn’t get there on time to get my size and I ended up buying a used pair off of a friend 3-4 mos later which were the Air Jordan 11s concords because they went so fast and they were still one of my favorites.
Having watched the entire careers of both MJ and Lebron, I can acknowledge the greatness of LBJ, but in terms of GOAT, it's honestly not even that close between the two. MJ all the way.
I grew up and went to school in New York (playing Pro-Am basketball until I was 42). All of my friends and family were Knicks fans (I was always a western conference guy...C. Webb @ GS, and the Reign Man @ Seattle). But I constantly told everyone, Mike will destroy the Knicks every time he comes to MSG. AND HE DID JUST THAT!
@@ManChan-w5p Yo son...it be like that. I saw the truth before it happened. I was a huge Knicks fan when Clyde, Dave, Willis, Pearl, and Phil were the thing. I didn't lie, I just simply told the truth.
Life is extremely simple people. You always have to put your priorities in the proper perspective. The creator deserves loyalty, man is just a gift 🎁 we all have the pleasure to enjoy, while we're all passing through to prosperity..."NOW THAT'S LOYALTY!"
Those early 90s eastern playoffs were amazing. I lived on the west coast and catching the nba on nbc at 10-11 am on Saturday or Sunday was the best. That John Tesh beat still the best opening for any basketball shows/games. Steve Snapper Jones, Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, Marv Albert, and Hannah Storm on sidelines. Sure I’m missing a few .. Peter Vesey.
People kill me with the "going left" thing. The critique was that he could not go left EARLY in his career. He corrected that. Kenny Smith said that his weaknesses when he came in were his strengths when he left.
@@jtremaine23 exactly. In his first couple seasons Dennis Johnson picked his pocket in several videos that I watched. If you look at him a bit later, he would push his dribble out further away from his body when he spun and went baseline. When he started doing that he got stripped less often. Stuff like that is how he improved his game.
@@MrJeditwinz Yep...and even watching the LD doc, he was trying to get Kukoc to work on his right hand so he could finish better when he drove right. He didn't ask anything of his teammates that he wasn't doing himself....working on your weaknesses.
Appreciate the honesty. Some former players like tracy mcgrady believe they could have shut down mj when they never shut dow kobe. Make it make sense, mcgrady was a great player, but really. If only you had went further in the playoffs or even heaven forbid won a championship anything’s possible. But you accomplished neither and never shut down kobe, then what’s mcgrady premise. T,ac was a great player. No doubt about it. A great career. But regret on playoff losses, and now who you could have excelled against when you didn’t shut down comparable talent. Just celebrate your greatness and keep it moving.
I hated MJ for beating Magic and Chuck. But on his second three-peat I realized how he was basically a basketball god and that he utilized the triangle offense to his best of abilities speaks volumes about how one of a kind he was. Lebron would never fit in a system, because he wants to be the system and thus he fails a lot.
@@mohamedelmi5462 yea it blows my mind that there are people out there that think lebron is better than Jordan. And to be honest, it’s not even close. I have several other players ahead of lebron.
Nick Anderson should've kept his-YAP-shout,especially for someone who missed 3 straight frees in that finals game and loses the game.Anderson was never the same player after-wards.
If Jordan had to use the fade away jumper on you it was a huge compliment on your defense. MJ would do what ever he wanted to the lesser defenders, but saved the turn around fade for when he needed it.
4:23 never forget young bucks, MJ has one of the greatest left handed shots of all time when he was going for a dunk and switch to the left hand for a layup. You wasnt there. MJ had a left.
Yo said Mike made the first free throw and miss the second on purpose and said look at the scoreboard and it said 45 points that’s some cold $hit right there buddy!!!
By far and away, the best part was when Kenny Anderson and Mark Jackson, shut down all the BS narratives, that MJ lost in the first round, who btw, the other guy just threw it out, without any context, plus the other ridiculous argument that MJ didn't have a left hand, that beautiful change of hand layup against the Lakers that one alone, is enough evidence to showcase that MJ had a left hand! I dare anybody from today's era to pull that move in midair, after making 12 consecutive field goals (that layup was the 13 consecutive field goal, in a blowout Bulls victory, in the NBA 91 finals)! I bet that Michael Jordan musta scored like 10,000 points on left-handed layups, reverse, and whatnot, and probably another 5,000 points driving left and pulling up for a jump shot, the dude had the total package! I was born in 1977, and I fell in love with the game of basketball somewhere in the mid-80s, so basically, I witnessed all of Michael Jordan's career, and started bringing up stupid arguments like he didn't have a left hand, we done with the 90s, in the words of Mr. T "I pity the fool!"
LeBrick is The LAST person that should be in the GOAT debate. He hasn't dominated anything in his career. He leads the NBA in turnovers. He flops. He cries to the refs. HE LOST 6 FINALS. He played in 82 games ONCE. If he is your GOAT you are clearly clueless about basketball, don't care about winning and hold character and sportsmanship in low regard. Oh and PEDS. and if you have to ask for respect you don't deserve it.
@josephphoenix1376 At least you can say Jordan and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe in the same sentence without Choking. I cant with "the Queen....sorry I meant "the king"
8:13 "Bill Russell is over there counting rings..." I will never leave the Championship GOAT out of this or any other similar conversations. Russell might not be the same GOAT'ed individual superstar player as Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabar, LeBron James, or his nemesis Wilt Chamberlain - but Russell was the perfect team player that allowed the Celtics other stars to shine and he directly contributed to the Celtics winning 11 NBA Championships during his 13 seasons in Boston • MJ will always be my "GOAT" because of that 6 for 6 championship record, his all around gsme and abilities, and his determined "drive" (but that "drive" to win at all costs is his double edged sword). I only saw the last couple of years of Kareem and Dr J, so I know they were among the greatest, but I would still pick MJ. The way Wilt changed parts of the game was truly astounding - the NBA widened the lane, "banned" dunking for a couple of seasons, let fouls go uncalled on him, just to slow down his scoring and court dominance - but Wilt won so few championships because he had to face Russell and the Celtics (same problem his eventual teammate Jerry West ran into). I will never forget the dignified humanity, wit and wisdom of Bill Russell. I advise all readers here to just watch a couple of his games as a Celtic, see a few of Bill's in depth interviews, and just listen to his basketball knowledge when he did commentary for NBA game broadcasts.
MJ's greatness as a competitor is how he completely demoralized players (including Nick Anderson) and finished off ended dynasties/potential dynasties (i.e. Bad Boy Pistons, Shaq-Penny Magic) as well as shutting out some of the greatest players ever from winning a title/or in their prime (PG: top-3 Stockton, top-8 Payton, top-15-20 Price & Kevin Johnson; SG: top-5 Drexler, top-10 Reggie; SF: top-10 Dominique; PF: top-2 Mailman & Barkley; top-15-20 Webber & Kemp; C: top-8-15 Shaq/Ewing/Mourning).
It really bothers me that Kobe with five rings an absolute stellar defense isn’t brought up! Kobe was a killer with no flaws in his game! It’s just disrespectful!
@@LuanNguyen-rj1bt Thank you!! What’s wrong with these True basketball fans man!! I think it’s honestly the media being told because there is no way he’s not at least in the conversation!!
IMO there is no conversation about the goat, it's MJ hands down. As for #2 I think Kobe is definitely in that conversation. As for LeChoke IMO he's not in the conversation for top 5 and barely for top 10
He's the only guy I've ever seen that don't pass the ball that managed to average 8 assists but then give you 8 rebounds as a two guard. While averaging 32.5 on 54% shooting.
Can you do one showing that Mike was a great on ball defender cause people think he wasn't a great on ball defender....And one showing Mike going left....
People forget the one VERY important thing that separates MJ from everyone else. The thing that makes him the undisputed GOAT . And it's the fact that he is ALSO one of the greatest DEFENDERS of all times! When have James ever lead the league in steals?
@@chrisrobinson8339 Yeah, I do hate how overrated he is. Guy can't win anything without a superteam and no handchecking, plus he's going to flop, whine, cry, travel, charge, carry, double dribble and refuse to play D the whole time. Real greats ARE great, not just proclaimed great by the media.
Could Michael Jordan go left? Not only could he go left but he could shoot with his left hand. But we know his favorite move was to jump over your ass and dunk on you. Mike did whatever the hell a wanted. 🤣
When they say 6-0, they are correct. He didn’t lose. But they are referring to the finals. He didn’t lose in the finals, for every time he reached the Finals. Which was 6 times.
I know Armstrong is telling the story, he might've forgot a little but still truthful but MJ had 45 pts already when he got fouled and he missed "2" free throws, not 1 but "2" free throws on purpose to stay at 45 pts. That is crazy
Leblame shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph as Mike....i cant stand ppl glossing over Kobe...i watched the Redeem team doc. Without kobe...they'd lost.
I used to be on this message board years ago that had a Kobe hater. It seemed personal. I told him the same thing. Without Kobe, they lose. Everyone on the team understood that.
A lot of people don't know MJ averaged 30 points 9 rebounds and 10 assist when he had to play point guard for some of the 1989 season. MJ could do it all, no flaws in his game.
Legler talks about legends sitting at a table... LeBron James would just sit at the spot assigned to him and just stare at true greatness if he was sitting with Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Wilt, Russell and them. None of these guys truly respect James if you ask them off the record, nearly guaranteed. Whatever they'll tell the media is just to stay gentlemanly, but for sure all of them only see him as a fake great. Steph Curry has a better spot and much more respect at that table in my opinion. Same for Hakeem. Greatness isn't about stats, accolades, or records; it's about how these players made you feel and LeBron simply isn't on their level.
It is hard to find a player who is better on D than Jordan......becouse there in none It is impossible to find a player who is better than Jordan on Ofence......In my opinion Kobe and A.I. were as close as a human can get but still not even close in a long term comparing. So having that in mind .....MJ THE GOAT.......is the best ever who played by farr.....end of story.
Who's talking here? James Worthy, Jordan's teammate at UNC, Mark Jackson and Kenny Anderson - point guards who were little in comparison to the 6'6" Jordan, both didn't play good defense and Tim Legler who was a role player that got little to no real time earlier in his career starting in 1990-91 but then by 1996 won the 3-point shootout and did a good job for himself but he wasn't a guy you relied on to stop anyone defensively. So come on. I'm surprised they didn't have Muggsy Bogues in this interview.
I'll never understand the argument at 3:56. The definitive word is "Finals," MJ never lost a final series. A lot of people want to talk about the times the Bulls did not make the finals with MJ.
He went from November 1990 to June 1998 (when he won the title) without ever losing three games in a row. In games during the second three-peat where either Rodman or Pippen did not play, the Bulls record was 69-21 (76.67%.). In those three seasons, Jordan didn't miss a single game. MJ was the only constant. In three years, their W-L without Rodman was 38 - 9 and without Pippen was 31-12. www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+rodman+between+1995-96+to+1997-98 www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+pippen+between+1995-96+to+1997-98 And Kukoc? The Bulls had a 25-9 record without Toni Kukoc between the 1995-96 and 1997-98 seasons. www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+kukoc+between+1995-96+to+1997-98 In sum, they were 94 - 30 in games during that second three-peat where either Rodman, Pippen or Kukoc did not play - 75.8%
Jordan played with the Bulls from 84-93. Then 94-98. He missed 64 GAMES in his second season. He basically played less than 12 seasons with the Bulls, considering his comeback in '94 and his 2nd season. He won the Finals in 50% of his Bulls career, going 6-0. Where is Lebron? Around 20%? In a much softer league.
No all time player won every year so EVERY player is in the same boat there. We have to talk about them as far as their skills, accomplishments, stats, accolades, league domination, leadership, clutch-ness, will-to-win etc. It's the complete package and not one single aspect. MJ still tops them all.
It’s not a problem what Lebron did by leaving Cleveland. You don’t have to stay where you don’t want to be. We talking about Lebron fans always saying Jordan fans want to erase Jordan 7 yrs of non winning titles. Jordan was winning everything else but he couldn’t win a championship. Nothing wrong with that.
Jordan lost when he came in the NBA because there were some serious NBA organizations with superstars like Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas. But once the pieces were put together around Jordan all bets were off. Still Jordan had to wait 5 seasons for Bulls management to get it right.
Growing up in the nineties never tired of listening to Michael Jordan's stories from the players, coaches themselves!
the one where he missed the free throw on purpose to end with 45 was crazy
I grew up in the 90s and I'm tired of all the myths about him. Rewatch his game it's trash. Stop focusing on the highlights.
Mike did pass the ball. Career 5.3 assists per game, to go along with the 30 points. And he actually had more assists during the years when they were losing to the Pistons and people said he was not passing enough. 8 assists per game in 1988-89.
Yeah if that guy actually did his research, he would be singing a different tune. These podcasts are great and bad. I pick carefully. Did that guy not watch the last dance
Man literally has the highest assist average in a Finals series for a non pg. Funny how a so called pass first player isn’t that but ball hog Jordan did it, go figure
#6 all-time in APG for all shooting guards.
That 24 game span in 88-89 where he played PG was insane. Had 10 triple doubles in one 11 game stretch.
Had 11.4 assists per game in the 1991 Finals. Definitely not a coincidence it was against Magic - he was sending a message.
@@LawrenceAugust_ "10 triple doubles in one 11 game stretch." whoa
@@JK-br1mu Yep and he did something that year not even Magic or LeBron ever did ---- 7 straight triple doubles. And he did that playing pg for the first time during that 20+ game stretch.
Noted as a durable player, Jordan did not miss four or more games while active for a full season from 1986-87 to 2001-02, when he injured his right knee.
His competitiveness was visible in his prolific trash talk and well-known work ethic.
Jordan often used perceived slights to fuel his performances.
trash talking isnt competitive. dillion brooks is a moron not a competitive dude. hes trash
One of my favorite stories is from John Starks talking about the scouting reports they would get on players. You know like, `favors his right,` "poor shooter from X range" when it got to MJ it just said "Good Luck!" 😂
Is that a true story ????
@@kerry-j4m According to John Starks.
@@somersetcace1 Oh,man,thanks for the answer,amigo.That's-WILD. LOL.I have-MAD-respect for Starks tho,went from working at a-SAFEWAY-store to becoming an nba-starter for the New York Knicks is like a fairy tale come true. I salute Mr Starks for his determination and persistence to becoming an nba-star in the league.
@@kerry-j4m Yeah, I'm a lifelong Bulls fan and I respect the hell out of Starks. A great player to be sure!
@@somersetcace1 AGREED.
Sean you could literally change your channel to MJTM and I would literally tune In every week. Never get tired of hearing 🐐 stories
Gawk gawk.
When MJ was made the point guard for the last 3rd of a season, he put up astronomical numbers, triple doubles and stat lines that will never be broken.
If u don’t kno plz look it up. 40+ point triple doubles with blocks and steals and sometimes 1 turnover. Triple/doubles with 12/15/20+ assists, etc.
insane.
I personally believe MJ was mis-positioned most of his career and should've insisted on playing point guard. If he really was the best ever, why wouldn't you want him to handle the ball every posession.
What makes Michael Jordan the greatest to me is his humility, he never publicly said I'm the greatest player of all time, unlike LeBron.
That's our job as fans to do that
He did try it with legends till Wilt slapped him up 😂😂
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Wilt Chamberlain respect Mj23 he even said that when he meet Michael jordan in aw
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268smh always lying,mj never claimed he the greatest,and when did wilt ever slapped mj?
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268
Exactly! 😂😂😂😂
To me Personally, Dr.J & Jordan are my GOATS🤠😎👊🏾👍🏾
Me, MJ & Bird
MJ and Dr. J my favorite players. Just wish prime Doc could have played in the NBA longer.
I want the NBA to combine the accolades and stats of ABA players so bad like they just did in baseball with the MLB combining the National Negro League. It’ll make things so interesting
MJ, Bird, Dominique Wilkins and Charles Barkley for me
I lived in Chicago during the late 80s to 93 and saw many bulls games including Magic Lakers vs bulls before Jordan had any rings. They could not beat my Piston bad boys nor could they beat Larry Bird and the Celtics. The bulls team when to my post grad school and got to meet them all but for testing purposes. They all are giants 5"11 felt like a midget and their reflexes on the testing we do were all better than the population norms.
Anyway I've seen most the old guys play and My favs in the 80s were Larry Bird (Well I hated him) but Magic, MJ, Isaiah Thomas ( well the entire Piston team for me) Dr J i was a big fan of. Charles Barkley. Bird, MJ and MJ were stand outs that could be on any starting team in history.
I have always said to be a teenager and get to watch Michael Jordan and Barry Sanders is the greatest luck in sports history.
I kinda hit the jackpot then. Saw MJ in person, saw Bo Jackson in person and played against Barry in high school for two years. For sure a great time to be alive!
Thank u my dude, that makes me feel even more privileged. Privileged to have been in that era of hip-hop rock ‘n’ roll, and all four of the major sports arguably being the best ever. Pop culture. The world even.
Especially being born and growing up in the Detroit area and Barry Sanders being my guy and watching the bad boys fight with Michael Jordan while I secretly rooted for MJ and had all of his posters and shoes, my whole life growing up from the Air Jordan three all the way to the Air Jordan 14…and when I was in 11th grade, it would be the Air Jordan 12 so every grade I was in it was the air Jordan number after. So easy to remember what kind of shoes I had in each school year because it was air Jordans every year. Tenth grade, I didn’t get there on time to get my size and I ended up buying a used pair off of a friend 3-4 mos later which were the Air Jordan 11s concords because they went so fast and they were still one of my favorites.
Seen them both many times live but I was in my 20s not a teen.
You are absolutely right, was truly a gift.
Having watched the entire careers of both MJ and Lebron, I can acknowledge the greatness of LBJ, but in terms of GOAT, it's honestly not even that close between the two. MJ all the way.
Agreed
When the greats call you the greatest. E NUFF SAID ..😊😊😊
You said it in a nut shell
I grew up and went to school in New York (playing Pro-Am basketball until I was 42). All of my friends and family were Knicks fans (I was always a western conference guy...C. Webb @ GS, and the Reign Man @ Seattle). But I constantly told everyone, Mike will destroy the Knicks every time he comes to MSG. AND HE DID JUST THAT!
You grew up and went to school in NY and you rough up the Knickerbockers?
@@ManChan-w5p Yo son...it be like that. I saw the truth before it happened. I was a huge Knicks fan when Clyde, Dave, Willis, Pearl, and Phil were the thing. I didn't lie, I just simply told the truth.
@@henryscott8952 Loyalty is mostly about suffering. The truth will set us free.
Life is extremely simple people. You always have to put your priorities in the proper perspective. The creator deserves loyalty, man is just a gift 🎁 we all have the pleasure to enjoy, while we're all passing through to prosperity..."NOW THAT'S LOYALTY!"
Those early 90s eastern playoffs were amazing. I lived on the west coast and catching the nba on nbc at 10-11 am on Saturday or Sunday was the best. That John Tesh beat still the best opening for any basketball shows/games. Steve Snapper Jones, Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, Marv Albert, and Hannah Storm on sidelines. Sure I’m missing a few .. Peter Vesey.
ALL LEGEND TALKS ABOUT THE GOAT 🐐
Great video.Thankyou for posting this video.
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY🎉🎉🎉
One of the most valid statements! "WHEN I GUARDED HIM HE WENT LEFT!"
Thank you very much for all your hard work giving us great episodes!!! Love old school NBA
People kill me with the "going left" thing. The critique was that he could not go left EARLY in his career. He corrected that. Kenny Smith said that his weaknesses when he came in were his strengths when he left.
True...I could name a few weaknesses he had either in college or early in the pros but during his absolute prime (1st 3peat), he had no weaknesses.
@@jtremaine23 exactly. In his first couple seasons Dennis Johnson picked his pocket in several videos that I watched. If you look at him a bit later, he would push his dribble out further away from his body when he spun and went baseline. When he started doing that he got stripped less often. Stuff like that is how he improved his game.
@@MrJeditwinz Yep...and even watching the LD doc, he was trying to get Kukoc to work on his right hand so he could finish better when he drove right. He didn't ask anything of his teammates that he wasn't doing himself....working on your weaknesses.
GOAT ❤❤❤ supreme greatness!!!
BTM is the only NBA content I watch these days.
Appreciate the honesty. Some former players like tracy mcgrady believe they could have shut down mj when they never shut dow kobe.
Make it make sense, mcgrady was a great player, but really. If only you had went further in the playoffs or even heaven forbid won a championship anything’s possible. But you accomplished neither and never shut down kobe, then what’s mcgrady premise.
T,ac was a great player. No doubt about it. A great career. But regret on playoff losses, and now who you could have excelled against when you didn’t shut down comparable talent. Just celebrate your greatness and keep it moving.
Keep the time machine going
Mike is the Highlander
M. J. Is from. Another. 🌎
I hated MJ for beating Magic and Chuck. But on his second three-peat I realized how he was basically a basketball god and that he utilized the triangle offense to his best of abilities speaks volumes about how one of a kind he was. Lebron would never fit in a system, because he wants to be the system and thus he fails a lot.
Leave it to Jordan to take it so personal that he drops 45 on a sweep close out game to send a personal message
And to miss that last free throw to keep it at 45 lol
@@ericduncan7266 A true work of art, Shannon Sharp's GOAT could never lol
@@mohamedelmi5462 yea it blows my mind that there are people out there that think lebron is better than Jordan. And to be honest, it’s not even close. I have several other players ahead of lebron.
Nick Anderson should've kept his-YAP-shout,especially for someone who missed 3 straight frees in that finals game and loses the game.Anderson was never the same player after-wards.
that was a "nail in the coffin" lol
If Jordan had to use the fade away jumper on you it was a huge compliment on your defense. MJ would do what ever he wanted to the lesser defenders, but saved the turn around fade for when he needed it.
Thanks! Great Vids.... from South Africa 🇿🇦
"When I guarded him he went left." LOLOL🙃
He was the greatest competitor ever to live. Of any sport.
Too many people leave out Kobe. MJ is unquestionably the goat but you cannot just stick LB ahead of Kobe without a discussion.
You can't stick LJ ahead of Kobe with a discussion.
@@blaq206 agree…but it’s shocking to me that it’s routinely done. People have short memories.
No one would choose lebron over kobe if they trying to win a ring. But lebron is nice and sweet to his teammates so I understand the argument.
@@Calidastas Agreed!
FACTS!!!!!!
I give Tim Ledger a HIGH SALUTE for being honest and real!!!
4:23 never forget young bucks, MJ has one of the greatest left handed shots of all time when he was going for a dunk and switch to the left hand for a layup. You wasnt there. MJ had a left.
I’m so sick of hearing people say, you guys going to erase MJ first 7 yrs. Lebron didn’t win anything his first 8 yrs and left for Miami.
What lebron did going to Miami is like what Barry bonds did. Same tree just different branch.
Lebron was IN The finals tho! MJ was getting knocked out in the 1st and 2nd round. Even being swept!
@troyjefferies7484 the east at that time was horrible, that era for the east was the worse the nba has ever seen.
If not for wade he may never have won a championship. James is not a winner, some one had to show him he could win.
It’s insulting that Kobe gets overlooked when he’s Jordan the remix.
I completely agree with you and I have Kobe as my number 2. He's definitely on my Mt. Rushmore of the greatest players
@@shaundagaffney8335Kobe didn't need illegal defense or hand check to defend
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268or shot 50%
Right. It's blasphemous. Kobe is definitely my #2. He took the plain lakers and won his last title. Damn near by himself.
@@reilym979 maybe bc no illegal defense to help him. Lol. Try again
Yo said Mike made the first free throw and miss the second on purpose and said look at the scoreboard and it said 45 points that’s some cold $hit right there buddy!!!
That KG snippet at the end was HILARIOUS 😂
Chamberlain, Jordan, Bird, Bryant O'Neal
Goat. 🐐
By far and away, the best part was when Kenny Anderson and Mark Jackson, shut down all the BS narratives, that MJ lost in the first round, who btw, the other guy just threw it out, without any context, plus the other ridiculous argument that MJ didn't have a left hand, that beautiful change of hand layup against the Lakers that one alone, is enough evidence to showcase that MJ had a left hand! I dare anybody from today's era to pull that move in midair, after making 12 consecutive field goals (that layup was the 13 consecutive field goal, in a blowout Bulls victory, in the NBA 91 finals)! I bet that Michael Jordan musta scored like 10,000 points on left-handed layups, reverse, and whatnot, and probably another 5,000 points driving left and pulling up for a jump shot, the dude had the total package! I was born in 1977, and I fell in love with the game of basketball somewhere in the mid-80s, so basically, I witnessed all of Michael Jordan's career, and started bringing up stupid arguments like he didn't have a left hand, we done with the 90s, in the words of Mr. T "I pity the fool!"
LeBrick is The LAST person that should be in the GOAT debate. He hasn't dominated anything in his career. He leads the NBA in turnovers. He flops. He cries to the refs. HE LOST 6 FINALS. He played in 82 games ONCE. If he is your GOAT you are clearly clueless about basketball, don't care about winning and hold character and sportsmanship in low regard. Oh and PEDS. and if you have to ask for respect you don't deserve it.
Black Jesus is better than any king.
At the Rucker Tournament....Black Jesus was EARL THE PEARL MONROE 🏆🏀
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At least you can say Jordan and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe in the same sentence without Choking.
I cant with "the Queen....sorry I meant "the king"
Those 23% of NBA fans who 're thinking that LeBron is better player than MJ need some serious basketball education….Mildly expressed
Kenny”s NY accent is just awesome.
Love the content!
8:13 "Bill Russell is over there counting rings..." I will never leave the Championship GOAT out of this or any other similar conversations. Russell might not be the same GOAT'ed individual superstar player as Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabar, LeBron James, or his nemesis Wilt Chamberlain - but Russell was the perfect team player that allowed the Celtics other stars to shine and he directly contributed to the Celtics winning 11 NBA Championships during his 13 seasons in Boston •
MJ will always be my "GOAT" because of that 6 for 6 championship record, his all around gsme and abilities, and his determined "drive" (but that "drive" to win at all costs is his double edged sword). I only saw the last couple of years of Kareem and Dr J, so I know they were among the greatest, but I would still pick MJ. The way Wilt changed parts of the game was truly astounding - the NBA widened the lane, "banned" dunking for a couple of seasons, let fouls go uncalled on him, just to slow down his scoring and court dominance - but Wilt won so few championships because he had to face Russell and the Celtics (same problem his eventual teammate Jerry West ran into). I will never forget the dignified humanity, wit and wisdom of Bill Russell. I advise all readers here to just watch a couple of his games as a Celtic, see a few of Bill's in depth interviews, and just listen to his basketball knowledge when he did commentary for NBA game broadcasts.
MJ's greatness as a competitor is how he completely demoralized players (including Nick Anderson) and finished off ended dynasties/potential dynasties (i.e. Bad Boy Pistons, Shaq-Penny Magic) as well as shutting out some of the greatest players ever from winning a title/or in their prime (PG: top-3 Stockton, top-8 Payton, top-15-20 Price & Kevin Johnson; SG: top-5 Drexler, top-10 Reggie; SF: top-10 Dominique; PF: top-2 Mailman & Barkley; top-15-20 Webber & Kemp; C: top-8-15 Shaq/Ewing/Mourning).
He could play in any era and be the best
Kenny Anderson is one of my favorite guards.
KA was smooth AF.
It really bothers me that Kobe with five rings an absolute stellar defense isn’t brought up! Kobe was a killer with no flaws in his game! It’s just disrespectful!
Anyone who watched all three Mike, kobe, and lebron Play will not choose lebron over kobe, let alone jordan.
@@LuanNguyen-rj1bt Thank you!! What’s wrong with these True basketball fans man!! I think it’s honestly the media being told because there is no way he’s not at least in the conversation!!
IMO there is no conversation about the goat, it's MJ hands down. As for #2 I think Kobe is definitely in that conversation. As for LeChoke IMO he's not in the conversation for top 5 and barely for top 10
No matter wat Mike will ALWAYS b the goat u can compare all u want
Can MJ go left? The man averaged over 30ppg. What a silly question.
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Cold blooded assassin, scored 45 on purpose in game 4, in Orlando, G.O.A.T
He's the only guy I've ever seen that don't pass the ball that managed to average 8 assists but then give you 8 rebounds as a two guard. While averaging 32.5 on 54% shooting.
Can you do one showing that Mike was a great on ball defender cause people think he wasn't a great on ball defender....And one showing Mike going left....
How many sports 🏀 podcasts do we need sheeeez 😂
Unguardable in his prime, like Kareem's Skyhook in his prime !!
People forget the one VERY important thing that separates MJ from everyone else. The thing that makes him the undisputed GOAT . And it's the fact that he is ALSO one of the greatest DEFENDERS of all times! When have James ever lead the league in steals?
MJ for me 💯 I dont enjoy basketball like i used to
1 MJ, 2 Wilt, 3 Bird for me.
LeQuit isn't even top 20 for me, and he goes down further the longer he plays and the smaller the amount of class he has.
If LeBron is not in your top 20. You're hating.
@@chrisrobinson8339 Yeah, I do hate how overrated he is.
Guy can't win anything without a superteam and no handchecking, plus he's going to flop, whine, cry, travel, charge, carry, double dribble and refuse to play D the whole time.
Real greats ARE great, not just proclaimed great by the media.
It used to be men’s basketball - I don’t see the same game today - feels more like golf or tennis
MJ 🐐
Way to call out that media blackout. They do it because THEY KNOW lol. It's Jordan, and they know.
You know what's crazy is almost 30 years later and we're still enamored with this guy and it'll be like this 30 years from now
Listen to the guys that played and guarded MJ not to the ones who only seen him play in youtube.
Michael Jordan ,Kareem ,Wilt Kobe ,LeBron, Magic ,Bird,West, Michaels at the top i Phil Kareem is number 2
Mike and Kobe.
Real talk. Bron could never miss on purpose. He’ll say he missed on purpose but he’d be lying.
LeBron doesn't have no right been in no GOAT debate period. So many players that have a better game and better finals winnings
I wouldn't choose lebron over steph
Could Michael Jordan go left? Not only could he go left but he could shoot with his left hand. But we know his favorite move was to jump over your ass and dunk on you. Mike did whatever the hell a wanted. 🤣
Bro, please a video on Mahmud abdelrauf who was discriminated. and he was Curry before Curry
everyone forgets about the MAMBA.... is above James so it cant be JORDAN and then LeBron
That is the difference between the real GOATS and the Wannabe GOATS, the real ones scare the shit out of you (Jordan being a prime example)
It’s a joke that anyone even considers LeBron in the GOAT conversation.
When they say 6-0, they are correct. He didn’t lose. But they are referring to the finals. He didn’t lose in the finals, for every time he reached the Finals. Which was 6 times.
I know Armstrong is telling the story, he might've forgot a little but still truthful but MJ had 45 pts already when he got fouled and he missed "2" free throws, not 1 but "2" free throws on purpose to stay at 45 pts. That is crazy
Leblame shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph as Mike....i cant stand ppl glossing over Kobe...i watched the Redeem team doc. Without kobe...they'd lost.
I used to be on this message board years ago that had a Kobe hater. It seemed personal. I told him the same thing. Without Kobe, they lose. Everyone on the team understood that.
@@blaq206 I used to HATE Kobe as a basketball player but once I heard he was going to be on the Olympic team, I knew they would win then.
No one is on Mike's level.
💯 Shouldn’t be no type of debate!
A lot of people don't know MJ averaged 30 points 9 rebounds and 10 assist when he had to play point guard for some of the 1989 season. MJ could do it all, no flaws in his game.
Only people who think lebron is better than Jordan never seen Jordan play live
That's not true.
I'd say, never seen him play an entire season. They've only seen UA-cam clips.
Or even kobe
These false narrative of him not able to go left these males just lie I hate this era
Legler talks about legends sitting at a table... LeBron James would just sit at the spot assigned to him and just stare at true greatness if he was sitting with Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Wilt, Russell and them. None of these guys truly respect James if you ask them off the record, nearly guaranteed. Whatever they'll tell the media is just to stay gentlemanly, but for sure all of them only see him as a fake great. Steph Curry has a better spot and much more respect at that table in my opinion. Same for Hakeem. Greatness isn't about stats, accolades, or records; it's about how these players made you feel and LeBron simply isn't on their level.
It is hard to find a player who is better on D than Jordan......becouse there in none
It is impossible to find a player who is better than Jordan on Ofence......In my opinion Kobe and A.I. were as close as a human can get but still not even close in a long term comparing.
So having that in mind .....MJ THE GOAT.......is the best ever who played by farr.....end of story.
Wilt just came along at a different time
Who's talking here? James Worthy, Jordan's teammate at UNC, Mark Jackson and Kenny Anderson - point guards who were little in comparison to the 6'6" Jordan, both didn't play good defense and Tim Legler who was a role player that got little to no real time earlier in his career starting in 1990-91 but then by 1996 won the 3-point shootout and did a good job for himself but he wasn't a guy you relied on to stop anyone defensively. So come on. I'm surprised they didn't have Muggsy Bogues in this interview.
The 80s Jordan could beat the 90s Jordan.
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I'll never understand the argument at 3:56. The definitive word is "Finals," MJ never lost a final series. A lot of people want to talk about the times the Bulls did not make the finals with MJ.
Who could Kenny guard? You weren't a defensive specialist. Or known for your defensive.
Comparing Lebron to Michael should be illegal...
Ya'll be tripping on this Jordan he played about 14 years so I don't recall him winning every year but people talk about him like he did
They talk about him cause once he got there he didn't lose.... you can't talk about someone who got there but lost more than he won makes no sense 😂
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He went from November 1990 to June 1998 (when he won the title) without ever losing three games in a row.
In games during the second three-peat where either Rodman or Pippen did not play, the Bulls record was 69-21 (76.67%.).
In those three seasons, Jordan didn't miss a single game.
MJ was the only constant.
In three years, their W-L without Rodman was 38 - 9 and without Pippen was 31-12.
www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+rodman+between+1995-96+to+1997-98
www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+pippen+between+1995-96+to+1997-98
And Kukoc?
The Bulls had a 25-9 record without Toni Kukoc between the 1995-96 and 1997-98 seasons.
www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=bulls+record+without+kukoc+between+1995-96+to+1997-98
In sum, they were 94 - 30 in games during that second three-peat where either Rodman, Pippen or Kukoc did not play - 75.8%
Jordan played with the Bulls from 84-93. Then 94-98. He missed 64 GAMES in his second season. He basically played less than 12 seasons with the Bulls, considering his comeback in '94 and his 2nd season. He won the Finals in 50% of his Bulls career, going 6-0. Where is Lebron? Around 20%? In a much softer league.
No all time player won every year so EVERY player is in the same boat there. We have to talk about them as far as their skills, accomplishments, stats, accolades, league domination, leadership, clutch-ness, will-to-win etc. It's the complete package and not one single aspect. MJ still tops them all.
Aint nobody scared of Leflop!!!!
LeBron should of never been in the conversation, LeFraud was the NBA's hope to bring in money and views.
Who's that King kong Flop🤣
It’s not a problem what Lebron did by leaving Cleveland. You don’t have to stay where you don’t want to be. We talking about Lebron fans always saying Jordan fans want to erase Jordan 7 yrs of non winning titles. Jordan was winning everything else but he couldn’t win a championship. Nothing wrong with that.
But on the biggest stage, he came through with flying colors. LeBron can’t say that no one else can say on the biggest stage they always came through.
Jordan lost when he came in the NBA because there were some serious NBA organizations with superstars like Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas. But once the pieces were put together around Jordan all bets were off. Still Jordan had to wait 5 seasons for Bulls management to get it right.
Lebron cant even fuck wit Tim Duncan .. now who wanna argue ?!👀👀😜🤣💯
Jordan always made its to the playoffs the man doesn't know history he lost in the first round true but he always made the playoffs
Where are these fools getting their info from? This whole “couldn’t go left” 🤷🏼♂️ the man could do anything he wanted.
When you ask the goats..whose the goat? They all say 23