Nvidia RTX 3050 Review: Entry-Level Ray Tracing GPU Needs More Performance
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2024
- In an ideal world, Nvidia's RTX 3050 should be equivalent to an RTX 2060 - but with two gigs of much-needed extra memory. We get the 8GB of VRAM with the new card, but performance isn't quite as good as we think it should be.
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We got all the Rich classics here... "Gen on gen", "Streets ahead"....
In the here and now get my like :D
Bespoke?
I always thought he was saying "streaks ahead"
Don't even get me started on his beautiful hands
You mean, "Wich".
Don't get fooled by fake $250 MSRP being thrown around by Nvidia and reviewers. RTX 3050 costs 600-650€ here in Europe at retailers. It's also hilarious that you can almost get a decent gaming laptop with 3050 for this price (yes I know laptop 3050 isn't the same power, but still you get entire computer with a screen, keyboard and speakers...)
🎯
Shit, man, I decided to just buy a new gaming laptop instead of building a gaming PC this year.
@@thetrustysidekick3013 I recommend buying laptop with 3060, since 4GB VRAM on 3050 can be troublesome for most of the modern games. Also you get double FPS on most of the games.
If you already have a 1660 Ti, then there's no point of even looking at 3050. The 1660 Ti will run faster if you take away the artificial 12Gbps memory limit NVIDIA put on it's 192-bit bus, and let it operate at full 14Gbps like the 1660 Super, the card will run close to a RTX 2060 in performance.
@@ChainikVlad Uh huh.
4GB is problematic recently even at 1080p.
It's pretty sad when they couldn't even beat the last gen 2060 with the lowest end Ampere. When Ampere launched I expected the 3050 to be at least 2060 super level performance considering 3070 vs 2080 Ti performance. Those generational gains don't translate well down to low to mid end it seems, or maybe the market condition is causing such a disappointing line up.
I thought my 2060 wasn't gonna age well when I bought it, turns out it's the most future-proof card I could've bought for $300, back in 2019.
It's barely better than the 1660 super in my secondary PC
The top half of the market is pulling away at lightning speeds and the bottom half is becoming pointless. It’s basically just used to upsell people at this point
Same here. I purchased a 2060 Super 18 months ago. Yeah, I think it will do just fine for a very long time given these new offerings and the scalping market.
@@vicpinto1970 yeah, we will both be fine for the foreseeable future. Were lucky to even have decent GPUs given the state of things.
300 bucks shit thats crazy
3050 not even being 2060 level performance is a massive joke.
why, its a decent card for its msrp. problem is msrp doesnt work atm
I can see myself hanging on to my 2060 Super for quite a few more years.
@@mirage8753 I don’t think about msrp anymore. We’ll never see those again.
I mean, 3060 was barely a few percent more performance than a 2060S which itself was a few percent more than 2060.
They knew this die was pathetic, and that's why they dumped 12GB on the 3060 (for "marketing"). That being before they realized memory prices were about to shoot up so much, and it ended up being a big mistake.
3050 is just a shaved down 3060 die, so the disappointment was bound to continue.
@@massterwushu9699 yeah all these big companies make way more money off the pandemic so I don't ever see tech hardware prices going back to normal.
The 50-series card from Nvidia have traditionally been their under $200 GPUs, so to see the MSRP at $250 kinda breaks my heart.
I just hope prices can return to normal levels in the future. For someone like me where gpus around me were already sold at marked up prices, the current situation is NASTY. If gpus continue to get pricier, there is no way I can jump back into PC gaming
At this point MSRP's are fantasy land prices anyway.
@@kosmosyche I just sold an old GTX 970 for $200 plus shipping, lol.
U do know prices go up every year for everything right lol, even if we weren't in a pandemic or had scalpers the prices would still go up.
@@syunafrost351 Tell that to 12400F.
I bought my 15 yo son a prebuilt from MicroCenter for Christmas. RTX3060 with a Ryzen 5 5600x. He had been using/suffering with an old dell we bought 6 years ago.
The look in his eye Christmas morning was priceless. He knew he got something good but he did quite understand what I had to go through for the past year to get it.
100% worth it and now I have to admit I’m a little bit jealous. It runs better than mine.
LMAO
Thanks DF for your great review.
Your son is so lucky,I have to earn the RTX 3060 myself,it's glad he's enjoying it.
What is your GPU?
@@bcuongtran8294 1070
You did your boy proud 👍🙏
@@Allyouknow5820 We started our journey to build a PC gifting him a monitor and a case last Christmas. We were going to build it together over time but due to availability options were limited outside of paying exorbitant prices. In the end it was easier to get my hands on a prebuilt than the cards themselves.
I’m only out a $100 case that we plan to sell and put towards a 1TB SSD.
I should say that my son kept up to his end of our “deal” to build a pc, maintaining good grades etc..
I couldn’t let the shortage keep me from holding up my end.
Hearing Richard say "streets ahead" made my day.
between prices, low production and performance, the graphics card industry is in a terrible place for consumers right now
the 90s/00s are truly back.
@@tjiiik I don't know much about the 90s market, as I bought my first GPU in 2000 and my last in 2016. I've had 9 GPUs, all of them mid-range, and I never struggled to find one at a decent price.
prodigy84bg: I suppose I was being a little dramatic.
Plus, I've usually had a hard time trying to get a PC for myself that I just stuck to a normal laptop and a console so I'm really just blurting my personal experience as if everyone else had the same one.
Sorry about that.
@@tjiiik My personal experience is also not definitive, as there are other factors, such as location. For example, in the late 90s to early 00s, none of my friends had a laptop or a current gen console - everyone had desktops. I had two consoles in the 90s and they were 3rd and 4th gen, so effectively they were 80's tech. Basically, in my country, there was almost no market for gaming laptops and new/current consoles until the mid/late 00s.
And you keep buying them. It's simple. Don't buy them and they lower the prices. End of story.
The naming for cards this generation make no sense. My 3060 Ti has performance equivalent to a 2080 Super for less than half the price, but the 3050 can't even match a 2060? Even if it matched 2060 performance, it'd still be disappointing.
My biggest issue with this and the 6500 is pricing, I could take it being on par with a 2060 (so still not even fast enough) but it costs only £10 less than a x70 series card did 7 years ago. So we've gone from the 970 in 2014 being £240 a month after launch which was a great 1080p high refresh and even some good 1440p perf at the time to 7 years later the same money (at msrp) getting you a card 2 tiers lower in stack that struggles with games of its time at native 1080p.
If this trend continues come 2030 you're gonna need to spend £300+ just to play at a 30 year old res.
Lmao, 3050 is 695 Euros in stores while 3060 is 700Euros.
Meanwhile 6600XT in stock is at 599Euros. 6500XT is at 347 Euros.
And how can it be on par with 2060 a card that costs 540 Euros in cheapest store
economy is sh1t man, thats inflation for you
@@diecubo Not inflation, artificially created shortage and controlled production to keep value higher.
Maybe by 2030 we gonna have rtx XX50 with 3090ti like performance in 130w tdp😂
That's a good deal for me
Considering 2019 we got 1650 and 3050 in 2022,2024 maybe we'll get rtx4050 since 4090 comes this year
Then 2027 rtx5050?
So 2030 should be rtx6050 then🤔
The closest AMD competitor in "real world prices" is the RX6600 and recently RX6600 XT. At least in the US/Canada. The 6500XT is $150-$250 cheaper in reality.
true the RX 6600 is also about 20-30% faster at the same price
@@BillCipher1337 Yeah, he never mentions that in this, conviently . lol
I been seing the 6600xt and 6900x commonly in computer stores in Canada for MSRP. They dont seem to be that popular and everyone wants a nvidia card.
@@josh77577 mostly cause dlss is total game changer i have 6600xt and want a 3060 3060ti so so bad
@@djbpresents9584 Agreed and I absolutely love my 3060 ti and it is worth at least 2 6600xt's to me.
I feel like that the majority of people out here is "not still" using GTX 1000 series card, so why don't include the gtx 1070 or 1080 in the benchs? Technically this card should now be in the tier of a 1070, with just the same power consumption if not even worse, after years. Progression died.
The 3080, 3080ti and 3090 are hugely faster then the 10 series. Progression didn’t die at all, the bottom half of the market did
@@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198 Yeah, the non-mining half.
Also the RX 6600 in normal benchmarks would have been appreciated too. This review paints an unfair picture the RX 6600 is far worse than the 3050, but in reality it's generally 20% faster than it without RT on. Steve from Gamers Nexus compared the 1070 to the 3050 and RX 6600. The GTX 1070 and RTX 3050 are about equal in performance. The RX 6600 destroys both the RTX 3050 and GTX 1070 by a wide margin. In some games the RX 6600 is 40-50% faster in games with RT disabled, and not many games nowadays leverage RT, so I think RT is nice to have, but 99.9% of legacy titles won't have RT functionality.
@@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198 Hugely faster is a bit an over exaggeration, when those rtx cards, if we're good, they consume atleast the double of the power of the gtx one's, nice progress there. Make a 3KW card, and see how fast it goes. The increase in performance of "new architecture" vs old is ridiculous. Bottom market died, top one is a joke. Look at the 3090 ti, some single digit performance more, for how many Watts? States should start banning hardware who consume too much energy. First of all, you kill crypto releasing only gpu's with a tdp of 75-100W. And second, doesn't the new world love be political correct? So where is this eco friendly stuff? Why we're reached a point where a card (one) require a power supply of 1200W? Doesn't you see a bit of hypocrisy here?
I agree, i'm still on a GTX 1080 and i suspect there are an awful lot of other people using 10 series cards still that would love a comparison.
Don't pay inflated prices for the 3050. If you see it approaching $400, then go for the RX 6600 instead. You'll get a significantly faster card for slightly more money.
True, if the 3050 were available (none in France), and the cheapest RX 6600 is at almost the same price of the RX 6800 sold by AMD (none available, of course)
Besides, the 3060 is almost at the same price as the 6600, but a 6600XT is just a bit more expensive, then the 3060ti, then the 6700XT...
@@grospoulpe951 Regional differences will always change recommendations. I'm mainly speaking about US and UK prices, where the 3050 and 6600 are close in pricing.
@@WickedRibbon Yeah, I suppose LDLC and Cybertek are good in maintaining a certain hierarchy in performance and price (eg: 1660, 3050, 2060, 6600, 3060, etc..)
If, but here are prices 600€ for 6600.
As a GTX 1660 SUPER owner, if you can nab one at REASONABLE prices, it's a great mid/low-end GPU capable of 1080p high/ultra and 1440p medium/high. Underrated GPU IMO. I got mine for $264 USD but that was before GPU apocalypse.
I saw them going for 600 cad at retail today lel
Got mine for $349 AUD right before the price rise, they're now selling for $600+AUD. Get the 3050 over the 1660S for same money in Oz..
how can a card be low end and run games at 1440p high?
@@BC-lg7hf You count it down from the top. Simple as that.
At the moment GTX 1660 Super is more expensive than 3050 due to it being a viable mining card. If you're going for 1080p gaming 3050 and 3060 are best choices.
The main rtx feature of the 3050 has to be dlss, not ray tracing, right?
While yes, if you're fine with a locked 30 fps experience in some titles, RT is also feasible.
@@raresmacovei8382 We just saw it 2 of the best RT games running at 60fps using dlss. So its feasible even at 60fps but the cost of it is mad
I have 3070ti and raytracing is absolute trash feature that i disabled because it is never worth the fps hit.
And by the ammount of games that have it, its a dead feature too.
DLSS also has never satisfied me, i better turn off settings than have artifacts and blur.
I wouldnt buy GPU just based of if it has those or not.
@@CC-vv2ne i tend to agree. Got rtx 3060ti hoping to see ray traces reflections and hq pbr materials. Instead we get ray traced ambient occlusion…
@@CC-vv2ne Strong disagree - ray tracing looks amazing in metro (!), dying light 2, control--- performance is perfectly fine on a 3080 with DLSS on upscaled to 1440p OR 4k. DLSS lets me run everything I throw at it at 4k resolution with most if not all fidelity options high and RT enabled at constant 60+ and up to 120 fps which looks crazy good on a 120hz 4k screen.
There is next to no artifacts or blur, ever, using DLSS to upscale to 1440 or 4k. Looks fantastic and often better than MSAA and the like.
"absolute trash feature" is way, way off mark, it's so far off that I doubt you've spent any thought on the matter. There is so much on the matter of RT on this channel alone that will highlight why it's far from a dead feature, too. Cheers!
I think the reason for keeping such a big performance gap between 3050 and 3060 is that they will try to fill it later with another GPU, 3050ti maybe?
I also think so
agree ! They know damn good and well Intel is coming and they'll want to beat it down..
He mentioned this in the conclusion.
@Lov Mir Dude. Why are you bringing consoles randomly into this?
No they are cutting down a die that will be swapped for the 3050 mobile made into desktop versions.
So, after watching the full video, and discovered the table (tier 1 to tier 5) and checking the current (real) prices in France:
3080 : 1500-1800 € (Titan like prices)
3070 / 3070ti = around the same prices as the 2080ti ... 3 1/2 years ago (1150-1300€)
3060 / 3060ti = more expensive than the 2080S (700-900€)
3050 : 500-550€ much more expensive than the 2060 (2019 prices, but 2022 prices are much higher), especially after the RX 5700 was released.
So, more than 3 years and a half after the release of the RTX 2000 series, if you have more than 1200€ to spend, you will still find a meaningful upgrade, otherwise: "Circulez, il y a rien à voir !"
Besides, if you're not in a hurry (and have "big pocket"), it's probably better to wait for Lovelace/Ampere Next and hope for +50 to 100% improvement (vs 3080) at the same current prices (1500-1800) : double the prices of the 3080 MSRP, but double the performance... wonderful world, isn't it? ;)
Its widely available in Japan for 50,000yen which is 390 euro at the moment. Just because you think prices are that high doesnt make it so.
We have similar prices in eastern Europe so I guess your prices go for whole EU
Now is bad time to buy gpu, you guys need to wait 2-3 months, ethereum miners stop buying new gpu's since new year, so supply will overtake demand soon for most cards and prices will drop... Don't expect it will drop from 500 euro to 250 euro in few days, but you can expect 10-20 euro every few weeks now. And also in Europe they include tax in prices, in USA they don't so they look more expensive. Also price in Europe always late to respond, especially in smaller countries, so if you want see trend of prices you check UK first.
@@kidShibuya Well, Europe got screwed. Here in Poland the RTX 3050 also costs 525-650 Euro. The cheapest RTX 3080 costs 1400 euro. Insanity.
At this rate the RTX 4080 will be available at a low price of 1999 euro ;)
Yikes, bought my 3080 last year for $1699NZD (996€) including all taxes, $700 less than an average 2080 ti was here, and not far off what I payed for a 1080 ti.
Even now you can walk into a shop and buy one for $2169 (1271€).
The 12GB models with upped MSRP are available for ~$2600 (1500€), there are 3080 tis in stock for the same price too (though there is a huge range of prices for these).
3060 ti for $1149/673€ & regular 3060 from $929/544€. -> Though TBH I'd maybe not buy those models.
For AMD RX 6800XT is $1999(1172€) to $2299(1348€) & 6900XT is $2155(1263€) to $3099(1817€) for the fancy liquid cooled ones, but most are $2500 or less.
RX 6600XT is $899(527€) and up.
Europe is getting robbed.
The 3050 is going up against the RX 6600 when it come to real world pricing. It falls considerably short there in context. The 6500 XT is terrible but I guess that's what that money get's you these days sadly since at least it's closer to MSRP.
Yep, cheapest rx 6600 starts around the same price as cheapest rtx 3050 in my country. No way I would recommend to buy rtx 3050, even with dlss the performance difference is undeniable. And even if someone reeaally want nvidia card for better ray tracing performance, there are still rtx 2060 for very similar price.
Well, on DF you will only see very well picked words when it comes to NVIDIA. At first I thought it was a tin foil thing on my part. But they seem to be very adamant to stay in the good graces of NVIDIA these days, with very selective wording and cherry picked content. There are so many reason's for me personally not to trust DF these days (I watch Gamer's Nexus, Hardware Unboxed to get unbiased data)... It's a shame since DF has such an important marketing position, today they basically act as an nvidia marketing channel rather than an independent media outlet. I like the people working at DF, their personalities. But the PC content is extremely biased today.
Reasons I don't trust DF:
- Most sponsored content is done with nvidia.
- Their editorial direction follows leaked nvidia documents for "brand ambassadors", TLDR; content should have a strong focus on the future with RT, DLSS and AI.
- Their PC test suite mainly contain nvidia-sponsored titles.
- Nvidia cards are the default way to measure performance, everything else is "in contrast to" nvidia, with most of the content being constructed to fall in nvidias favor.
- Concerning negativity towards FSR... Although outcry from the public, FSR has been brushed of as "uninteresting". Never to be mentioned again. Even in the tech deep dive of God of War (which many thinks the FSR implementation looks better than DLSS in motion) Alex just mentions that it can be "turned off"... In Dying Light 2 however, Which has a reputably bad implementation of FSR, it is covered extensively with graphics comparisons and performance levels (which are oddly more in favour of DLSS than many other outlets).
- in the 6800XT review Rich diminish the importance of Extra VRAM, although RT require more VRAM... In the RTX3060 review on the other hand Richard welcome it as a positive bonus.
- They have never showed RDNA2 in a good light, although the RX 6600XT has equal or better RT performance than the RTX3060 in Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition, Dirt 5 and Riftbreakers. (My own testing shows that games that do not utilize Nvidias proprietary SDK, the RT performance is much closer to nvidia. This comes down very heavily on nvidias denoising, which has brutal impact on RDNA2)
- In all of the RX6000-series coverage, even Richard's tone is tired, sceptical and unenthusiastic, while when they cover nvidia content, eyes are wide open and enthusiastic. it's weird...
- There's not a single episode where RTX, DLSS or AI is not mentioned. And the amount of screentime nvidia branding has in comparison to the competition is staggering (do a drinking game whenever DLSS, RTX or AI is mentioned) ;) Even the Matrix demo, which run on AMD hardware, nvidia and DLSS is mentioned, but not AMD or RDNA2.
- Q&A never revolves around AMD related topics.
Let's say all of this is accidental, well then DF should really think critically if they want to be perceived as an Nvidia marketing channel or an independent tech media outlet.
here in Asia RTX 3050 is whopping $1000, PC gaming laughable at this point
Its sad that a card like this, which is made for people who are on a budget; is being scalped and sold way above its until MSRP price tag. Crypto mining has completely put me off from PC gaming, and back to consoles.
@Turkey Jeff Good luck dude, but I think you'll be surprised by just how much harder it is to buy a GPU than a console.
If the next gen cards stay at these prices after the shortages I'm back to console too lol
@Turkey Jeff I've been trying to get an Ampere card for a reasonable price since the 3080 launched; still haven't managed it. I was able to snag a PS5 at MSRP within two months of looking. Don't know how it is where you are, but here in Canada, they're at least an order of magnitude apart in difficulty.
So let's see the gtx 3050 vs xbox series S shootout next!🤷♂️
The series s will get absolutely curb stomped so
rtx3050 pc is around 50% faster than xbox series s but ps5 is over 5 times faster than rtx3050 pc
@@superskills8343 Over 60-65% on SS. PS5 is faster then 3050 for 30 to 50%.
Can we just ban cryptocurrencies already so that scalpers aren't buying all the video cards from miners?
550 € entry level xx50 series card...what a time to be alive.
Still rocking a GTX 1060 6GB here. And most games run at 1080p60fps if I optimize my settings. I think I might hold out until the 4000 line before upgrading. In the mean time I think I'll give GeForce Now another chance with its 3080 tier cloud servers - to get a taste of highend Raytracing.
Ray tracing is a joke. I had 2080 and now 3080 and i never ever use raytracing because it destroys frame rate for barely noticeable better visuals
@@xTurtleOW while it can be heavy on performance, RT can be extremely noticeable and effective depending on the implementation. The GI in Metro Exodus for example... and there are many more examples also using RT GI, Shadows *and* reflections.
The trade-off may not be for you personally but the visual gains can be huuuge 😌
@@FungeHucker I guess if you are on low hz monitor it can be worth but im on 240 so I way rather have more fps than the graphics and half my fps
@@xTurtleOW true. It definitely handicaps a machine aiming for those rates. Wouldn't recommend it in a competitive environment anyway
RTX in control was noticable. Improved gameplay in certain aspects actually. With DLSS control ran with all settings ultra in 1080p with 120fps most of the time.
If you can find it for MSRP price, I think it's worth it if you want a low end card, despite being less powerful than a 1660 Ti. It's a good upgrade from, let's say, a 1050 or basically any 4GB card, as they're struggling with the new AAA games. And man, that RX 6500 XT is a disgrace. Wtf was AMD thinking?
MSRP, thats a goond one. Even the retailers (EVGA for example) discontinued the MSRP cards already
Rtx 3050 is a scam, i mean for the price it comes, we had this level of performance 3 years back in 1660Ti at similar price. To release this card again at the same price point, what's the use? 3 years is a big time, 3050 is 3 years behind in performance. Nvidia absolutely scamming people into buying this. If 3050 would have launched at the MSRP of say 1660 or 1650 super, then it would have been good. But at the MSRP of 1660Ti? Lol
The 6500 XT is honestly what a GPU like that costs these days. Literally its only actual problem is the lack of encoder/decoder and the 4x lanes. The performance and RAM for the price is exactly what's needed for an entry-level card. The Nvidia card, meanwhile, is a fake product. They're launching it just to make AMD look bad by contrast. They have put little few resources behind it and few price controls. You will not get a 3050 for $250, but you can still occasionally buy a 6500 XT for $200. (Not that you should unless you have a 950 or worse and just really want to play modern games at any settings.)
@@ashank9856 I love dlss on my 1660 ti
@@bodacious12 nice sarcasm, btw DLSS at 1080p is completely useless
No, it doesn't need more performance, it needs a lower cost.
Especially if you watch gamers nexus, this is roughly 980 performance. But with RTX and double the vram.
A 7...year old card.
I have said 980, and just upgraded last year to a 3090.
To think they're selling a 250$ card, that similar as a 500$ card, 7 years ago.
The 980ti was an incredible piece of kit. It simply spanked all the games of the AC:Odyssey era.
The 980? According to that review it's faster than a 1070. A 1070 is a good bit faster than a 980 ti. Let alone a 980. The 3050 in raster performance is actually closer to a 1080. Those tests are also with DLSS off which is leaving valuable space on the chip doing nothing.
980 and 980ti are two vastly different cards.
A friend of mine was waiting for this card, gave up when he saw the prices and bought a Series S. In Russia a 3050 costs $560 USD and a Series S costs $390 (retail pricing, not MSRP).
Quality deep dive as usual, always look forward to new content from this channel.
All of this adds up to the conclusion that consoles are the only real mass market gaming medium for the foreseeable future. Why would developers push games for the 1% of people who can utilize the features?
Very well said.
High end card gamers are always the exception and not the rule. Yes it's slowed down lately cos of cards but looking at Steam surveys the most widely used card is not anywhere close to the most cutting edge or anything.
In addition, current gen consoles also have supply issues which made Sony do stuff like making PS4 versions of games that wasn't initially planned for them (like GT7). So everything is slowed down, not just due to PC.
@@kicapanmanis1060 Steam surveys include cards that have been bought 8 years ago; even mid range cards. Today there is no such thing as mid range priced gpu. Gamers who can afford any new card today are the 1% minority, the exception to the rule. You have to keep in my mind that there is a big portion of gamers who do not appear in those surveys and they are not high end hardware owners too.
In the Swedish market you can basically get a 6600 for the same price as the 3050 and the 6500XT is 50% the price of the 3050. So really, In my book, due to market conditions, AMD won this generation. Not necessarily because of theoretical benchmarks and cherry picked comparisons, but because of pricing, availability and that general value has been in AMDs favor. MSRPs have only been theoretical, or mythical at best. I ended up getting a 6600XT instead of the 3060Ti (the 3060Ti was 400EUR more expensive here) and I am actually really happy about the purchase. RT Performance in Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is about the same as the 3060. And that's honestly the only RT game I have been interested in so far. :) And it seems like RT performance is getting a lot better once developers start to move away from Nvidias RTX SDK and start to optimize for RDNA2 or with open standard solutions instead. Nvidia does have a very tight grip and leadway on the RT market tough. I hope things will get better with the next generation of cards. On both sides.
We are going backwards with this generation folks.... thank you mining, nft's, and metaverse.
We tried to review the GPU market, but someone appeared to have misplaced it.
RTX 30-might-as-well-get-a-Series-S
RTX 3050 blows away series S
@@okami9039 but only for a small margin.
@@guillermopaolini9895 literally not at all small lmaooo and the series s doesn't even have that money games compared to PC
@@okami9039 series S costs half as much
@@НатальяПолитова-у9м not really here in India series S is 35k MSRP and it's being sold at MSRP and RTX 3050 MSRP is 22k but being sold at 35k so in the end both costs the same
I feel the 8GB the 3050 has is gonna overshadow the 2060 quite a bit in the future, when you play games like the new dying light the 3050 outperforms the 2060 by a lot.
Also why would you get a 2060 that's been ran into the ground for 3 years when you can get a brand new 3050 with 2GB more to play with in future.
Wtf? Just checked the benchmarks, 2060 6gb is soundly faster than the 3050. The extra 2gb of vram at 1080p for now doesn't do anything, in dl2 the 6gb 2060 is faster than the 1080. Vram OCed 2060 6gb will be close to the 2060s, while the 3050 wouldn't benefit from the added bandwidth as its limited by shading power.
The 3050 is crap and can’t compete to the 2060
I have a 960, I have been patiently waiting for a decent $300 ish GPU to upgrade. I was originally shooting for a 2060, but with the crazy market I can see myself getting this. Although I would much prefer to jump up to the 3060 if possible
If you need to upgrade, currently the RX 6600 is the absolute best bang for your buck -- it trades blows with the 3060 and 2070 in games, and last I checked it's in stock at Newegg for $460. If you sell your used 960 for $150 with the market the way things currently are, you could pick up the 6600 for less than MSRP.
@@GoodKid Depend on the country tho in some country the rx 6600 cost about 600$ or more
5:45 Ah so you throw the RX6600 in for raytracing benchmarks because it doesn't perform great, but leave it out in all other benchmarks, where it actually performs like a 3060 while costing 250 € less. Well done Richard.
edit: 14:17 "better performance than the closest AMD alternative? Absolutely, it's much better than the 6500XT"
Except, in the current market, the closest AMD alternative is the RX6600, which literally eats this 3050 for breakfast. I am really disappointed, with a touch of disgust for how misleading and anti-consumer this review is.
That's what I was about to comment. Thanks for stating the OBVIOUS. Very unprofessional of DF to leave out the RX 6600 except in RT benchmarks which we already know AMD is struggling compared to NVIDIA. Same here in our region, the real-world price of the RTX 3050 is closer to the RX 6600 than the RX 6500 XT. And if DF will justify and say that the RX 6600 should not be compared to RTX 3050 coz it's in a different tier, but WHY would they use the 3060 as a comparison? 🤮🤮🤮
Hahahahahah, here comes r/AMD and r/AMD_Stock again. Yikes, y'all would do better being confined in reddit.
This card should have been atleast as fast as the 2060
Thats what a 3050Ti would have been close to if Nvidia bothered making it. 3050/3050ti, only one exists right now.
Reality is that it's cheaper now to but series x than investing into pc.
The 2060 wasn't a normal 60 series card. It surpassed the gtx 1080 which was once the fastest graphics card in the world by significant margin.
Could you guys please go back to showing the FPS as opposed to percentages?
I know FPS isnt as important as frame consistency or frametimes, but actually seeing FPS feels more tangible of real world experience a customer should expect with a comperable build.
I bought the STRIX version of the gtx 970 in 2016 for about $400 or so. Now even the 60-tier is way above that. It's like gpus are for the rich now, it's not even worth it to buy a new one anymore.
Just scored this exact card on Newegg. I’m going from an 80 series card to a 50 series and still coming out ahead lol. (coming from gtx 980 4GB). I would have been very happy with a 1660ti/s but couldn’t find one, and ended up with basically that plus dlss and rt so I did okay in the end. Really wish this market was what it was a few years ago.
Absolutely horrendous. You would expect that 8nm would yield more performance over a similarly sized 12nm chip from the past. But it doesn´t... So Nvidia did nothing to improve the chip shortage. Not only lazy but also unethical approach considering the current climate.
similarly sized chip?
GA106 is 276mm² vs TU106s 445mm²
@@EVPointMaster GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER uses the TU116 and measures 284 mm²
@@detmer87 ahh, I thought you were talking about the 2060.
The TU116 does not include RT or Tensor cores though, so I assume that is one reason why it's comparatively small.
@@detmer87 well, to be fair full GA106 absolutely destroys TU116 while being smaller, and 3050 with 20SM was never gonna achieve 2060 performance, tho indeed it's sad to see almost the same perf/dollar(at MSRP, which never happens) after 3 years.
Nvidia doesn't fabricate the chips, just design and assemble them in cases where they don't have a partner. They're reliant on foundries like Samsung or TSMC (former for newer models) for the actual chip fabrication.
You have a problem with chip shortage, take it out on the foundries.
Closest competitor the 6500xt? This card cost the same as 6600xt...
You know the market is fucked when you're talking about a GPU with rrp of £240 (fuck knows what real world price will translate to) isn't good enough for 1080p 60fps with optimised settings.
And at 1080p dlss isn't really a good option either
tbh for my 3050 purchase, i was lucky to see one for £290 which may be a bit over rp but i would rather have an upgrade than wait months for any real stock
Welp I guess I'll just stick with my rtx 2060 super. I get 120fps @1080p with ultra/high graphics on almost all my game or I get 144-190 fps on my shooter games after just reducing some settings. Was really hoping to upgrade to a 3060ti because that bang for the buck is crazy for the price but with scalpers doing what they do guess I'm stuck for another year.
So entry level gpus are now over 500 euro here in germany, cheapest one i can find in stock...
😂time has flown so fast
Sticking with my 1080TI 💪
So this is an entry level card.
The cheapest we find these in Sweden right now is $530.
The card is good but at what price? The magic word is: price.
All comparisons to the 2060 are nil if you think of it as a normal 60 series card. The 2060 wasn't a normal 60 series card. It surpassed the gtx 1080 which was once the fastest graphics card in the world just 2.5 years later. When not wasting valuable die space and using features like DLSS it's not even close.
im a fan of the x50 series of nvidia, always had one since the gts 450, it was nice that they always have been 6-pin or no-pin sub $150~ cards, but this time is just sad.
This "entry-level" card should have been compared to 6600 instead of 6500XT, as its real world price is much closer to 6600 than 6500XT.
It's $480 here in South Africa for the cheapest model 🤮Why are we born just to suffer?
Impressive how much data included in 15 min video. Other reviewers spent 45 min with less data and more talking.
Remember when the GTX 750Ti in 2014 was beating the Xbox One in performance and even sometimes running similarly to a PS4 for a measly $150 (although you did need to buy the rest of the PC for $300-350)?
I miss those days. NVIDIA can’t make a budget GPU to save themselves anymore, and AMD’s Radeon Division is completely out of touch with reality.
Meh market shows they can charge absurd prices as the market leader while sheep will happily keep buying
And today an 3050 dont' beat a PS5 and SX also with DLSS, all for 250 MSRP and 500 dollars in real world, like a next-gen console. Very, very bad moment for PC gaming.
@@francescoannunziata9702 hell 3050 can barely hang with Series S and that console is still faster than 3050’in some games I’m sure
@@Patrick-tw7nr Yeah, this is quite faster than SS but slower than SX and PS5.
@@francescoannunziata9702 What are you talking about? The video here literally gives you evidence for how the 3050 delivers at least as-good or better performance as the Series S, along with better RT, higher texture resolution etc.
I like how you show rx 6600 results only in raytracing..xD not nvidia bias at all lol
Thanks Rich 👍 Concise and complete.
The extra days you put into multi-title gameplay and Xbox comparisons = also appreciated.
AMD alternative is not the RX6500XT, but the RX6600. The MRSP is a joke for the RTX3050.
The 6600 costs less than the 3050 in my area while offering 32% more performance!
This card costs 500$ here in India.
This generation of gpus doesn't even exist to me. He hit the nail on the head.
Love that ampere v turing graphic at the end, great vid :)
ultra rt 1440p on those cards? are you serious? dlss on 1080p is also debatable quality loss. 6500xt and 3050 might have close msrp on paper but in reality price difference is way higher
All they had to do was re release the 2060 with 8gb and they couldn't do the bare minimum... Jesus Christ Nvidia
While not 8GB, NVidia did release a 2060 12GB recently, but... Poor stock and overpriced...
GPU manufacturers seem pretty determined to kill PC gaming.
Would have been nice to have seen the noise levels of 3050 vs 2060 and power draw compared
Bit weird that the last 3 AMD cards were skipped in video reviews here.
Not weird, they don't do many hardware reviews. They had 12 hardware reviews the last 7 months, anyway. Plus the consoles got reviewed here. I am a bit surprised to see so many GPU reviews but if they're sending you samples that makes it easy. AMD may not have sent anything after the 6700 XT.
They're still using a pcie gen 3 test platform with a 10th gen intel chip. Digital Foundry isn't really the place for pc hardware reviews. They do solid work with consoles and retro of course but as far as pc is concerned there's way better channels out there.
@@nimrodery They've done every Nvidia review except the 12gb 3080. They did the 6700xt review. Skipped 6600xt, 6600, and 6500xt.
@@eugkra33 They also didn't review the 2060 12 GB version. So that's 3 versus 2 skips on a channel that isn't focused on hardware reviews.
@@nimrodery I think those are kind of different, though. Both of those were like under the table releases Nvidia didn't even want people to know about. You had to jump through odd hoops to even to even get your hands on those cards. Nvidia was like ashamed of those releases. AMD actually had promotional material for their stuff.
No one compares the 3050 to the 1660 ti cause they know the 1660 ti will beat it in every game.
What a rip off, even the 750ti that released two months later than the ps4 was a close match to the console gpu (17.36 to 25.60 GPixel/s on Pixel rate, 43.40 to 57.60 GTexel/s on texture rate, 1,389 to 1.843 TFLOPS on FP32), compared to the 3050 that released a full year later than the ps5 but has half to a third of everything (56.86 to 142.9 GPixel/s Pixel Rate, 142.2 to 321.6 GTexel/s Texture Rate, 142.2 to 643.1 GFLOPS FP64)... The 3060ti should have been the 3050.
I had no idea there were so many versions of these GPUs. I always thought there was just one version of the RTX3060, for example, and everyone bought that exact same one.
When is that the case for anything? It's like buying a CD or vinyl; there's hundreds of different sounding versions of the same albums. Different brands of the same GPU don't make much of a difference regarding performance, though. A 3060 is a 3060 no matter which you get.
@@ThisBirdHasFlown Very true! I have never built a PC before and am only now learning about this stuff.
dang so the 3050 is basically equivalent to the consoles. Its a joke that this card doesnt have a msrp under $200
Everything is better than consoles.
@Transistor Jump not with dlss quality enabled.
@Transistor Jump I don't think we watched the same review. Not only is the RTX 3050 equal to current gen consoles, it also outperforms them in some areas.
@Transistor Jump it Certainly does render an image from a lower internal resolution and upscales to a higher resolution. But have you actually seen a dlss-quality image vs a native resolution image. Can you honestly say you can tell the difference? Most people cant. I have an rtx 3060 130w laptop and I can't tell the difference.
*my opinion about "overkill" coolers*
If I hear the fans at all it's not overkill. I hate fan noise. I modded my GTX1080 so it uses Noctua fans and now I rarely hear them at all. My PC is pretty much SILENT when gaming... what I find rather STUPID is when there's obvious fan noise yet the GPU is under 70degC. Sure, Noctua can scale performance SLIGHTLY with temperature (i.e. 60degC might get 1% more than 75degC or whatever) but seriously, if your temps are consistently below 70degC then create a custom GPU fan profile to raise temps a bit to get less noise... it can sometimes make a HUGE difference... I could turn my fans OFF but I found spinning at around 300 RPM until around 60degC, ramping up to 500RPM at 75degC and then a much sharper ramp to about 1000RPM at 80degC works perfect for MY setup. I almost never get to 75degC so I can't hear my fans when gaming.
Just use headphones. Problem solved.
Running Pascal GPU at 75-80c does loose you some clock rate. I found on my Titan XP which had a weak blower cooler I lost ~400 Mhz going from 60 C to 80 C so a lot more than 1% performance. With a better axial cooler it would have quieter and held boost clocks at lower noise levels.
If you have an i3 10100 / 10105, the 3050 is the highest performing GPU you can get that won't bottleneck the CPU.
Nah. 6600 is even less CPU bound than 3050, due to Nvidia's driver overhead.
Wouldn't you expect a 3050 ti to be equivalent to a 2060? The 3050s have always been slightly below in performance. Idk
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I'm gonna be using this 5700 XT for years to come at this rate. Hell, I bought it for under 400 over a year ago, and I've seen the same card listed for well over 1K on various sites. SMH.
you should have sold that to miner and get a 6700xt for lss money and better performance/efficiency in games
Sell it.
Managed to get 2 at a trade price, one for myself, one for a friend.
Card is already going for £500 and was even sold as high as £1000+ on eBay on release date lol.
The idiots who buy that omg. 1000$ here you get a 3070 from scalpers!!
So the RTX3050 delivers the same performance as a GTX1070 (I have one I know how much performance it delivers). With DLSS almost games should be playable on 1080p at 60fps and max settings. Or lowered settings without DLSS. I wouldn’t have bought a new GPU if the GTX1070 had DLSS.
I bought this card used for the 8 GB of VRAM to use in deep learning applications, but as far as game cards go, the tensor cores aren't going to be able to push high resolutions. There just aren't enough of them.
Not exciting at all. If building a budget rig today, i’d go minimum with 6600xt/3060 and no lower.
Came here to hear Richard say "frame".
Did not disappoint.
it's 2022 and we're still targeting 30/60fps.....................
I know you wanted 2060 level performance, but... they just released a 2060 with more vram. Nvidia wouldn't be able to sell both cards! I acutally wanted that too, but I guess we have to wait for the 3050ti.
Checking at Newegg right now:
6500XT on stock at $270.
RTX 3050? $600
Both products are bad, but it is very clear which one is the worse.
6500XT is better value for money then.
After seeing the performance of the 3050 and at the prices where I live 400-600€ except for the 8 cards at the 300€ "msrp" I feel kind of sad for people trying to get a new GPU in the "low end". Bought a 2070s for 550€ in 2019 (sold it for almost the same amount in 2021) and a 3080 for 1000€ in 2020, both feel like better deals than the 3050 at 400€.
same, bought a 2070s at the end of 2020, before the crysis begun (for 360 euros), rocking it and no plans to change it for upcoming years
Microsoft did budget PC gamers a big favor by making the Series S. Any semi-modern card with 8 GB will be enough to run games the entire generation if you're willing to skimp on resolution and maybe fps. DLSS is a big advantage too.
In the current market climate when a new GPU launches, if you find a franchise electronics/PC vendor with plenty of stock available, pricing will stay closer to MSRP. They often have partnerships with component providers, and volume/marketing can keep the price closer to MSRP. Their wholesale costs stay low. You even see a phenomenon where people buy cheaper pre-builts just to yank a good GPU out of it.
That launch opportunity cost collapses in smaller boutique vendors with less buying power and transactions.
It's obvious what's the issue- this model clearly needs 4th fan. Cooling just can't keep up!
The hell it does
There's certainly room for a 3050 ti, maybe a 6550 XT too
i'm happy with my RTX 2060 Super that is on part with the RTX 2070 performance wise , with a Ryzen 5 3600x and 16 Gb of DDR4@32Mhz and an SSD , it's like i'm gonna keep it longer than i expected !
Alex Battaglia mode should just be a preset in new PC games IMO :D
Seems so strange. My 1650 Super I bought as a complete compromise a year ago as prices for gpus were insane. I've been surprised to play many games at 60fps 1440p with medium to high mix. Mostly texture detail (with its 4gb memory) is the thing that slows it the most. I thought this might be the card I need to step up just a notch, but if it can't do 1440p in FH5 at 60fps then I'm definitely going backward.
@Neallord I don't think you are right on that. More recent games that are actually running really good. Forza Horizon 5 (after a few updates, the first week was rough), Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Kena Bridge of Spirits, and Hitman 3 are all stable at 60fps 1440p with medium to high mix settings, and no resolution scaling. Generally it is just the texture resolution that once I set it to high tanks performance. So yeah the 4gb does get maxed out. Based on the rest of the performance it seems fairly obvious that more memory would give me more or less the same performance with better textures.
It's been a while since I watched a review that I don't understand half of but I keep watching because all these graphs make me look smart.
Might as well get a Series X or PS5 which wipe the floor with this card and about the same price but you get a whole machine to game and not a crap GPU to barely game on at reasonable settings and FPS
If you can find one in store
My thoughts exactly....
I found this GPU at a local computer store for $420. $250 would be sort of reasonable but at over $400 they can stick it! Also on the shelf was a GTX 1660 super for $330. It's really sad considering that I got the 1660 super for $230 literally a month before the release of the 30 series cards and everything went out of control. Don't give these manufacturers or retailers an inch! Start clearing out your gaming backlog and bring the market to a crawl! If you pay well over MSRP you are sending the wrong message.
Honestly if you can afford it which you should if considering a 3050. Just get the 3060. Save a little more if you CAN For 1080p or even SOME decent 1440p go for the 3060 12gb. It will last longer than a marked up 3050.
It would be nice if I could actually get one. it's been over 9 months since I've had a graphics card.
DF IN WITH THE $500 RTX CARD REVIEW, AW YEA
Streets ahead. Fantastic!
Quite surprised Digital Foundry don't have options to view in 1440p
This generation has been for the most part a shim sham. Shortages, prices, and now performance. You would and should always expect a current gen xx50 series to perform similar to a last gen xx60 series. That is just natural progression. This here is a joke.
In summary it's just a GTX 1070 with DLSS and a sprinkle of Raytracing but costing way more than it should all those years later.
Thanks but no thanks!