Best Budget 1080p Gaming GPUs - Intel Arc Revisited + RX 7600 vs RTX 3060 + More
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
- With RTX 4060 just around the corner and RX 7600 out now, there's absolute carnage in the $200-$300 GPU market at the moment, as older models get their prices cut HARD in order to clear existing stocks. In terms of technological advancement, gains may be limited with new cards, but with yesterday's $300+ GPUs now selling for as low as $180, that's a lot of performance right now for not a lot of money. Meanwhile, Intel's Arc A750 also has its charms, leading to a full re-test of both A750 and A770. Here's Rich with his outlook on the best 1080p gaming GPUs.
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00:00 Introduction
01:23 The Wild Card: Intel Arc A750
02:59 Radeon RX 7600 - Killed By Last-Gen Discounting?
07:58 Intel Arc A750 Revisited - A Budget Game-Changer?
11:17 Arc A750 vs RTX 3060 vs RX 7600 - The Story So Far
11:53 Arc A770 16GB vs RTX 4060 Ti vs Arc A750
15:45 Arc A750's 8GB VRAM Problem
18:17 Discounts: Good For Buyers, Bad For New GPU Pricing
19:23 Intel Arc Still Has Problems...
22:13 Summary: A Budget 1080p GPU For Everyone
24:04 And Now, The Conclusion - Ігри
If you ever told anyone in 2013 that in 2023 people would be looking for an intel GPU and and AMD processor, they would call you mad.
Let this be a lesson that a lot can happen in 10 years
If you told anyone in 2017 that spending $699 for a 1080ti would be a bargain deal because they'd still be using it 6 years later, they'd laugh in your face.
People aren't looking for an Intel GPU. That's why they are selling so cheaply, you can't count on them. Consistency and reliability are a huge factor in people's judgment of value of a graphics card. People don't know every game they might want to play in the next 3 or 4 years. Nor do they want to spend any time trying to guess and gamble which games might see improvement in the future. Of course there are prices where some people get tempted by "bargains", but most people want to avoid unknowns and complications and want something that just works. That's a big reason why consoles were better than Stadia and it's why Intel's GPUs are currently sold at a huge discount.
i know intel gpus have improved a lot since launch but tbh people are not buying them thats why they are cheaper compared to nvidia but amd rx 6000 series is still better value than intel for now maybe with driver updates intel gpus will become better
I have that combo playing in a netflix-esque game delivery system called gamepass from microsoft
I just wish there were juicy deals on the A770 as well, but $200 for the A750 is incredible.
Would love a review/test on it (especially the 16GB version) now that the drivers are little more mature and some games are requiring more than 8GB to run properly. Oh I see they did add it in the later part of the video. Disappointing performance unfortunately.
Until you watch a review that doesn't cherrypick RT titles left and right. 1080p 200$ entry level is not really a point where people are looking to play games with RT turned on, please put your hands up if you'd prefer a 30 fps experience to playing with 80 fps without RT on.
The truth is, ARK is competitive in ray tracing, and ray tracing only. Even at discounted prices, overall AMD offerings wipe the floor with them in rasterized games, which is what people at this price point are looking to actually purchase. Nvidia is there at this price point, for people who are looking for CUDA, or for whatever reason DLSS only..or maybe enjoy paying the leather jacket tax.
Then there is the fact of driver maturity, and actual guesswork whether Intel is looking to invest longterm into their GPU department, or your chip will become expensive paperweight in 2 years with no proper driver support.
This video was way too much fluff and rather unrealistic in its approach. I hope Intel succeeds though, but I am not going to be among the "test subjects" early adopters of their GPUs, and I don't believe it's something proper reviewers should be recommending their viewers either.
@@zsotty4 a750 is better than 6600. Unless you dont have rebar. And more so if you dont have pcie 4.0
Ive used a770. Yes its hit and miss, but on average on newer games its good. a750 isnt much worse. And on old games, it gets enough fps that its never an issue, its only on the newer games and with RT one would care to compare the fps anyways.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j DXVK can actually help a lot with the performance of older games running on DX9/11. Not sure if it helps with the AC games that were referenced in this video or not.
@@MrBl3ki ac unity running 1440p60 with dxvk in a750 here
Intel ARC got lots of bad press on release due to some game breaking software bugs and truly baffling UI decisions. But honestly it was an impressive release for a first product and they've been working hard on the software bugs. Intel has a solid footing now in the budget GPU market and I'm cautiously optimistic for Battlemage.
I mean the fact it launched in such a Unfinished state shouldn't be praised the gpu spec wise was on par with the rtx 3060/3070 so it shouldn't be all the surprising that they preforming as they are now that drivers have caught up.
@@aeidengtfo6758 It launched itself it actually remarkable. If it was easy, They would have launched years ago.
Damn, seeing these results for Intel's first generation of graphics cards (which are still held back by drivers I might add) at their price range makes me really excited for battlemage.
Currently sitting on my old 2080ti and looking forward to see more, great video!
Interested in upgrading soon?
@@BlueRaz21 Depends if I can get a substantial upgrade for a reasonable price, which has just not been the case for these last 2 gens
2080ti here too. It's still hanging in there but for 4k gaming, the 4090 is starting to look like it may be worth it.
@@mrratchet Not for me, since I made the wise move of never upgrading from 2.5k.
Still have a high refresh rate monitor with Gsync, which basically destroyed every game thats locked to 60fps for me, so I guess it was a trade off haha
@@skdKitsune Yeah that sounds like a good trade off. If it suits your needs, that's great!
One thing to remenber is the 6600/6650 and 3060 do not support AV1 encoding, while the a750 and 7600 do. If you're recording and/or streaming, it's something to keep in mind.
To be fair, h.266 (way better than AV1) is soon to be expected, and so let’s see which company will support it in hardware.
@@tatianaes3354 nope H.266 is not free compared to AV1.
@@tatianaes3354 Considering how the licensing of h265 killed the format, I don't expect much from h266
@@divanshu5039 I did not write it is free, so I am not getting the “nope” part. H.* payments are symbolic, it is not de-facto owned by a single company, unlike AV1 (despite its quasi-open structure nowadays), and it is way more effective. Sadly, there are no other realistic choices besides those two, so we have to choose a lesser evil, so to speak.
both amd and nvidia already have hevc so unless they raise licensing costs again i see them adding it
Arc sucking for older DX11 games is a deal breaker. The nice thing about PC gaming is having an "infinite" library going back decades. I play and replay older PC games very often, and it's awesome to run them at crazy high resolutions and over 100 FPS easily on modern GPUs.
they can fix this with driver over time i guess
Intel did say that the next round of driver updates is gonna deal with DX11 issues now that they’ve fixed the DX9 issues and mostly fixed the DX10 issues. So buying the card is more of an investment in future gaming.
Most games can be fixed with dxvk though so it’s not as big of a issue as people make it out to be. Ac origins for example goes from 35fps to 85fps just by using dxvk. Same for odyssey and just cause 3 for example. Multiplayer games with anti cheat however don’t work unless you use Linux and proton has some fix for it.
@@sijedevos2376 i could do the same on AMD/NVIDIA cards and get way more fps than Arc you know DXVK also works on those gpus. I would never buy such uneven gpu, in few gens they should improve the drivers them and maybe then we could have good competing gpu.
@@davidwickman7543 Never buy software/Hardware solely based on expectations for future updates. That's like the first rule on the internet.
One of my favorite things about PC gaming is compatibility with a massive library of older PC games and seeing the improvements in some semi-old games with new hardware. That's the only thing keeping me from buying an arc 750 for my second PC.
Damn why u got 2 PC nerd? U only got 1 pair of arms
Most people shopping in the A750's price range are people like us with massive backlogs of 5+ year old games. If Intel can get pre-DX11 titles up to acceptable levels they could own
the entry level through mid-range. Arc's efficiency/tdp isn't great. But, the fact you're getting a 256-bit bus/16gbps/512 GB/s at entry level is insane. If those driver issues were solved
you could likely play all those older games at 1440p to 4K. My old prebuilt with a 1060 3gb (192-bit/8gbps/192 GB/s) plays quite a few semi-modern games between 1440p and 4K.
Arc's other problem is the necessity for re-bar which disqualifies (cpu) builds older than 3-4 years.
@@Dick_Valparaiso Yeah totally, I think they will end up having to fix this somehow for people to consider not only present entry level GPUs but also future high end ones. But other than that they seem very competitive.
ARC GPUs are definitely grabbing my attention but i also hear that they tend to kick the bucket when it comes to retrocompatibility and thats a deal breaker for me, hope intel can fix that problem
It was the same for me currently using a RX580 8GB and it's getting pushed with any game in 2023. But older titles it's great but the A770 16GB I was a bit stoaked for the price it was going then I saw performance difference as you see here and with DX9 titles.
It isn't worth it top that with driver issues as well as their still working on them, I think Battlemage will be far better as ARC clearly is testing the waters.
Yeah, if you want good backwards compatibility, you shouldn't be looking at Intel or AMD.
Not really. I've been using DXVK actively where issues manifest. Like yesterday, started replaying yakuza games, fps was 28 in 3840x1600.. With DXVK it's locked 120 (or 144), depends wich refresh rate i use. Artifacts on screen in some old game, use vulkan. Usually there is a workaround.
I'm so glad for Intel ARC achievements. Impressive.
If Intel knocked the A770 to $300 that'd be something, it'd make things pretty interesting for sure. The drivers keep getting better, it's kind of a suprise at this point. I'd say that by the time we get their 2nd gen Arc GPUs the drivers could be almost on par with the others. Keep in mind that Intel made the GPUs specifically for DX12 and forward, so the better games get with DX12/Vulcan, the better their GPUs will perform I figure.
For $500 , $400 (Digital) get a Ps5 that plays AAA games at 1440p at 60fps on a cheap 4k 60Hz TV.
Beat that deal .
I got my A770 16GB card for that price during a Christmas flash sale. Glad I did.
@@Crashed131963 Why limit myself to whats only on Playstation when I can play everything on the PC though?
@@GPsarakis I think its other way around game developers cater to consoles now .
A lots more games you can list that are not on PC or port to PC much later .
11 months later, you can regularly find the A770 at $300 (even with 16GB of VRAM)
I'm still rocking 2070 Super for my 1080p gaming. I get medium ray tracing with DLSS and 1080p and can get 60-75 fps. It's about time for an upgrade. I'm one of those people that have a hard time spending money replacing things that "work" though. I'm also the person that when upgrade time comes I start debating "well, If I'm spending $400 why not spend $700 and just get another year out of the card?" ETC hahah
If you already have a 2070 Super, I would honestly wait for the next gen at this point - especially if you do content creation where the 4060 Ti 8GB is outperformed by an RTX 3060 12GB (and even a 2060 Super and moreso your 2070 Super) in raw performance for several video editing benchmarks. If you look up the the Tech Notice, Techno Panda or Puget Systems benchmarks, it’s been dismaying to see the downgrade.
Here’s hoping the next generation fares better.
I would wait till next gen to be honest if your happy with your card
Better to spend 400 now and then upgrade again sooner. Because it always feels good to get a new GPU hehe
Edit: 2070super is still awesome, I'd wait a bit before upgrading..especially if you're playing at 1080p.
I mean, I'm happy with my 3060 laptop GPU(worse than yours) playing on 1600p resolution
You really don’t need the latest and greatest if your happy with your card.
The reason why arc can be sold so cheaply is pretty clear imho. Intel just proved that GPU prices were indeed artificially inflated over the past couple years
you can use dxvk for older games on arc. ive seen massive improvements. 20 fps acu to stable 75 no settings changed
Intel's already using DXVK for some DX9 games where it performs better than D3D9on12 (Microsoft's D3D 9-to-12 mapper), hopefully they'll consider doing the same with D3D 10/11 where it makes sense too. Users shouldn't have to do this manually, and DXVK is already built-in to the Intel drivers. I get that Intel might want to try to improve their baseline DX11 performance instead of relying on external API mappers, but nothing precludes them from leaning on DXVK to get gamers performance boosts in the short-term while working on their own DX11 drivers for the medium to long term. It seems like low-hanging fruit to me, a very easy way to get big performance boost in a large number of games!
@@guspaz Well said
Acu? What game is it.
@@Jenny-sd6ji Assassin's Creed Unity
A small correction for the info presented nearly at the end of the video: Resizable Bar IS available for Intel CPUs beneath 10th gen core. My i7 8700k on a Gigabyte Z370 Ultra Gaming does support ReBar.
Every time I watch a DF video I long to build my own PC even though I have a prebuilt. It's such a tempting thing, to put together your own and see it turn on and get huge value for performance like using this A750 here at 1080p.
That feeling when you had 7600...
Back in 2013
Rich, you are a god send. I dont really PC game except for some retro open source stuff on a 3050, but i love watching analytical data that informs consumers and shames manufactuers. Thank you for all that you and DF do.
For the Arc cards, at least for now, I think it would be really great to say at the beginning of the video what are the drivers of the Arc cards you're testing
This is an insane value honestly. Id still save up a not insignificant amount extra get an NVidia card until DLSS is matched and performance on older titles is up to snuff but this is a breath of fresh air for the GPU market
arc is incredible... dont forget about dxvk which does seem to make games better on older dx games
dxvk can eliminate the stutters. Also, rebar is a must. We need Intel now more than ever with Nvidia and AMD selling you last gen budget performance at current gen pricing.
@@phoenixrising4995 sometimes even worse than last gen performance.
Rich really is the best when it comes to giving us DF videos, and I wanna comment on one of the reasons why.
He hits quickly and often with data points. Tom Morgan does this well in addition which is one reason I enjoy his videos the most behind Rich. This isn't to dismiss everyone else, they're great! But I'd love to see the analytics on their videos, I suspect people jump around and hunt for what they're interested in - a lot.
Great video as always!
finally someone that talk about things that major quantity of people can afford,welcome to reality and thank you,i hope\wish more videos like this in future.
i think we can say that finally at medium\High without Raytracing and by disable DOF\Aberration\Blur (and with medium crown\population\traffic) without AA pc gamers can finally enjoy medium 1080p 60fps without need to pay 500 bucks (and in some cases also high gfx) i think this is wonderful time for enjoy today or oldest games.
Great video Rich!!
ARC seems to be really quite good to be honest. If it has good thermals in a laptop and comes with high vram, it might be a steal
I'm so happy with my RTX 3060. Makes me work really efficient and I can totally crush 1080p gaming with max settings (Playing Spider Man at max 1080p is a dream). Absolutely great GPU.
To be fair, Spider-Man works flawless maxed out in 1080p60 (with or without upscaling and no RT) on 6400 XT, Arc 380 and 1650 also.
man i just love this channel !
Appreciate the wider scope of this video. Prob would have skipped by it if it weren't for the extra context/content.
I bought an A750 4 months ago, I was so shocked/amazed/pleased with the performance that I upgraded to A770 today, now just waiting for Starfield. Mind you they look absolutely fucking beautiful so if you have a case with glass panel... no brainer for mid tier GPU.
"COD Infinite's warfare - one of the best COD campaigns and criminally overlooked" - well said, Rich!
I was running a 2070 super for the last 3 years and switched to a 6700xt recently. No regrets. The extra VRAM is great now and for the future and rasterized performance is much better. I just don’t care about raytracing as it isn’t worth the performance hit and is wayyyy out of my ( and most ) people’s price range. After selling my 2070 super and using money I received from my birthday, I about broke even on the upgrade and am very satisfied.
6700 XTs are quite a deal around $300+ now
I think I'd like to see longer generations. Between how much longer games take to make and how a lot of current technologies don't seem to have matured, I think it's not unreasonable to think slowing down is a bad idea...
At most, I wouldn't disapprove of extra VRAM in the same envelopes (provided scaling for the bandwidth et al), but just the same stuff.
Good stuff informative👌
"Allegedly instant notifications" is my fave thing on the final requests.
The 6700 10gb is the best option in the space, but at $200, anybody just into esports games will be super happy with Arc
If you can find a 6700 10GB in the UK they are imported now if you want one and their about £300+ before Christmas they were £220 but I missed out
I have one. And yes. It's superb, low power consumption and it simply runs everything.
I'd really like to see the 6700 10gb in the mix. It's been available for $280 shipped in my region for a while now. As long as it remains available, I think it's a better choice than the 7600.
Hell, I just picked up a 6700 xt for my wife for 330 brand new, also came with RE:4
That's an awesome value IMO. I've seen 6700xt models as low as $310 but with no game bundle. The linked Eurogamer article does include the 6700xt in the comparison charts at least.
Yep it's the best budget gpu atm, how could they not mention that, what a badly put video DF i'm disappointed. Ordered my rx 6700 for $280 + with REmake 4 code. Both Nvidia and Amd disappointed me heavily with new gpus, rtx 4060 ti is super expensive, while rx 7600 is cheaper and not as good as rx 6700 or xt which is a shame.
3060 did well for me, spent a little more than I'd like. But but that was when prices dropped by more than 100%, and I wasn't waiting another 2 years again.
I'm happy with my rx 6600. I got it well under MSRP and have a 1080p monitor, so it pretty much plays everything at 60-75fps.
It was kinda nice to see the og benchmarks with Chris’s 3 and unity back lol
Was interesting to see some noticeable frame time spikes for the 4060Ti in FH, not as bas the 750, obviously, but still there. I do expect 8GB to be left further and further behind when looking at current-gen only games, instead of last gen games.
The $200-300 seems to have some decent value, and has for a few months now, but the $300-400 bracket is barely an upgrade over 5000/2000 series.
I got an A750 recently and came back to this video to kind of compare the progress and I think with older games its made a great stride forward but the drivers still are very inconsistent and need work.
Since arc mobile GPUs launched in March 2022 and discrete in October 2022, it's likely that drivers will see only modest improvements for recent major games. I could see them fixing one off issues with older games or problematic titles with bugs though. I've worked in both the hardware and gaming industry and have seen that easy fixes/improvements are usually picked up and implemented within 1-3 months after launch. It's likely that Intel unfortunately had some hardware and software architecture level issues that can't be sorted out at this point.
I took the plunge on a acer predator a770 bifrost and its crushing 2k gaming im very happy with it all games maxed 2k 100fps paired with a 5800x3d.i dont use RT)
Did you get the 8 or 16 GB card?
The A770-16 is one hell of a card...especially with the newest driver released a few days ago.
I have not had a single game related crash since installing mine in late December 2022.
No stutters and no instability....and I am running racing titles that came out in 2012, 2013 2019 and 2021.
@@Saabjock acer predator a770 bifrost is a 16Gb OC version of the A770 :) its a beast !
love the ADR edit for the Arc MSRP
Might be a bit niche but would you consider doing a budget card VR comparison like this? I've read that intel is very spotty there, even though theoretically the 16gb A770 could be good for the high resolution low settings paradigm of VR
Could you take a look at the A380? It has been kinda forgotten since launch due to how bad it was, but now after all the updates it might actually be decent at $120 with its 6GB of VRAM.
I don't think they will completely fix the DX11 and lower issues.
They are fixing legacy titles on a game to game basis. All my halo games have horrible performance, and older COD/BF games suffer the same issues you presented. After dealing with for it 2 months i removed the card from my PC went back to AMD.
ARC is great for the new gamer with a newer library, but I've been on PC over 12 years now.
My library has TONS of DX10/11 games and a handful of functional DX12, bc in the early days of DX12 none of those games ran very well and most of us would revert back to DX11 anyways. Once i noticed the driver updates just fixing 1 or 2 popular DX legacy games per update, i gave up on ARC.
Same, I also play a lot of D3D9, D3D11 and OpenGL games (usually source ports like GZDoom), and I'm aware Arc will never perform well on them, at least Alchemist cards.
40 Watts powerdraw doing nothing.. Huge problem!
Powerdraw needs to be included in these comparisons!
people can shit on 4060ti all they want but that card is insanely power efficent
@@LoctusX2 Is it really that power efficient? Seems to be around the performance of a mobile 150w rtx 3070ti (which itself is a desktop 3070 chip with largely the same specs and die used is the same). This thing should've been hitting at least 3070ti OC performance at its current power draw. I mean nvidia's now using a MUCH better node + newer architecture.
Compare this to the pascal generation improvement to efficiency. The 1060 6gb was straight up 60-70% faster than the 960 with no software BS and more vram and all that at the same 120w TDP. The mobile 1060 was even more impressive as it was straight up 2x faster than the 960m and used just 5w more (75w vs 80w). Infact, the mobile 1060 shared almost all the specs with the desktop version and even performed very, very close to it (within 2-3FPS).
So no, the rtx 4060ti is not very impressive from an efficiency standpoint. Infact, turing also pulled similar efficiency gains despite not having a large node advantage. The 3060ti uses 25% more power than the 4060ti to give the same performance. The 1660ti used the same 120w TDP as the 1060 to give 35% more performance.
@@siyzerix Random Gaming HD released just a RTX 3060 Ti vs RTX 4060 Ti video.. And no he included Watt numbers. 4060 Ti uses max 80 to 100 Watt less power. It is truly impressive.
@@TheRealJohnHooper Did you forget pascal and turing? The 1060 was a massive 60% faster than the 960 at the same tdp. The 1660ti was 40% faster than the 1060 at the same tdp, despite not having much of a node shrink.
The 4060ti is slightly faster than the 3060ti while using about 35% less power. that's average. Not impressive.
@@siyzerix 1) Different times back then.. 2) I posted you a video.. In some games it was almost half the power draw.. 80 to 100 Watt.. 3) You are not happy with the progress.. I will light a candle for you 🙂
You are talking about DX9 but what about Open GL? Does it even work? Are the performance also bad?
Can the ARC deliver better performance in a GNU/Linux OS like Holoiso? The translation layer from DirectX to Vulkan should mitigate the problems with older DX11 titles
What's the catch? Something to do with being a new player in the market and a disastrous driver launch, and the need to clear inventory before Battlemage? :P
Rich, did you try assassins creed unity with dxvk? As I understand it the translation from dx11 to vulkan should bump up performance considerably.
I wonder how things would shake up now that there have been a couple of drivers targeting DX11 improvements (most recent one came out yesterday, at the time of writing)...
This video almost got me on the Arc boat until I hit the legacy part of the video and all of sudden it was a 100% no go
Just FYI, many 9th gen Intel motherboards have received bios updates to enable resizable BAR.
ARC also has a hardware AV1 encoder.
How does the gpu utilisation compare between the a750 and a770 in these circumstances?
The problem could be driver related and only improve...
Worth mentioning the a750 has 3584 shaders vs 4096 in the 770. the 770 has 1.14x shader count.
Can't wait for battlemage!
What if you run the old games on Arc with proton on linux since they will translate the directx calls to vulkan?
I bought the ROG Zephyrus 14 for like $800 recently and it’s a hell of a deal. Ryzen 9 6900, RX 6700s, 16Gb ram, 1TB SSD. I can get about 70fps in Cynerpunk on High at 1440p (RT off of course)
I bought the a770 when these gpus launched and feel a bit silly now, because I'm not sure Intel will get the scaling worked out for these first gen gpus, other games besides Forza should show the power differences but I was just happy to see more competition. Also pretty cool to see them doing so well, perhaps Intel's next gen gpus will be something special.
For older games with DXD9-DXD10-DXD11, i suggest using DXVK for Arc.
This is nearly totally irrelevant to me but Richs delivery makes it worth watching for the calming qualities
i have a Z390 with functional rebar support , tested with a 3070 , so with correct board and bios it may be available on selective 9th gen kit as well.
I have a B360 with 8th gen i5 that supports rebar after a BIOS update.
Seems like the previous generation 6700XT is still a great performer...
thats the ultimate buy
I love the usage of “budget” in the title.
Would love to buy an Intel card but I don't have an rBAR Mainboard and my Rig is under water, buying a watercooler for such a slow and cheap card doesn't make any sense since the cooler costs more than 50% of the card :D
Hope next ARC generation has a good performance boost, drivers are getting better and I love their AI/XeSS Stuff.
Whenever I am looking for a graphics card, I don't like to spend exponentially more money for logarithmic increase of performance. So you may understand that my heart bled when I paid 450€ for an entry level graphics card (3060 12GB). I still can't believe that I did this. It is a fine card, no complaint here. But the amount of cash that was asked for it at that time was just greedy. If I had been a bit more courageous, I would've gotten myself an Arc GPU. I didn't expect (at that time) that Intel would support it this well. Keep it going, Intel! Maybe you won't be in the high end in the near future, but that's not what I care for. I seek affordability and bang for the buck in the low- to mid tier range - and that segment really suffered during the last several years. It is nice to see a competitor here who might, at least for a while, break the cycle.
I feel a770 really shines above 1440p. I noticed on mine going from 1080 to 1440. My fps reall didnt change.
In this segment of the market RX 6700 10GB is killing it, priced around RTX 3060 with raster performance similar to RTX 3060 Ti, and it have 10GB of VRAM, on top of that it's only available with pretty nice and big coolers (at least in my region). Only real downside is that stock always was pretty low and now it's even lower so they will disappear from the market soon.
There are still plenty of them on Amazon for $280 where i ordered mine. It's been a while since i had AMD gpu (7850)
As a 1080p gamer i aopreciate this video a lot thanks for the vid!
Thanks Rich
while arc a750 is absolutely great value, i think the focus on RT oversells it. as far as i'm concerned, you might as well cut that part off the video entirely. it does not matter AT ALL. which leaves a card with very good pricing but "meh" performance, as well as some annoying compatibility issues. still, looking forward to battlemage. hopefully they deliver and i can jump ship
The Arc is a weird card, the higher the settings and resolution, the better performance it gets
Edit: also why not an honorable mention to Dxvk? Im playing it at 1440p60 all max.
did it was tested with the new arc drivers that boost f1 performance?
The problem is it is 2023 and we are still talking over $300 for 1080P gpu's. 4k gaming isn't new at this point. GPU manufacturers keep trying to throw us other features like Ray Tracing DLSS etc etc but it isn't going anywhere. I can't remember a time it has ever taken so long and been so expensive to make the leap in resolution. Not just with GPU's but with Monitor tech. Especially when you see in the consumer market these dirt cheap 4k tv's of astronomical sizes. Like $400-$500 for like 75" tv's. Yet none of this is seeing the light of day in the PC Market. Clearly it could be. That is why I stopped building PC's bought an LG C1 last year with an EVO panel and a PS5 and Xbox Series console. If I want to game at Low Res I will just stick with my Steam Deck.
Sublime post, nothing to add💯
I wonder if the A750 would be a better buy for older games if you use DXVK? I'm not even sure if their drivers support Vulkan 1.3?
Yeah DXVK helps performance in a lot of legacy titles for Arc. It would almost certainly fix the problems in AC Unity.
Dxvk 2.2 is working on my A750
Everything Skylake and up supports Vulkan 1.3.
I've been doing testing on Dying Light 2 and came to a nice conclusion of performance.
I average 93FPS with high settings, Raytracing on (12 Ultimate) with a high of 106FPS and a low of 86FPS.
The latencies were 10ms across the CPU and GPU.
Ryzen 5 5600G - Stock boost @4.4GHz
HyperX 32GB DDR4 @3600MHz
Galax RTX 3060 12GB
1440p @144Hz Monitor (The game is running at 1440p)
DLSS is set to Performance for a better gain. Balanced/Quality saw less performance.
The take from this is to always tweak your settings and because these are mid range cards, don't crank the settings too high for them gains :)
The car went under the ground 🤣
This is incredible for a first-gen graphics card. This bodes well for the future of ARC GPUs.
Not really. Raja already left, after being headhunted by another firm. AMD screwed him over with Vega, when they secured the console APU's and diverted budget away from Raja's project. And Intel snapped him but the in-house politics there also made him leave. Without Raja, where does Arc go?
@@TheVanillatech the first part of your response has nothing to do with the performance of the card. The second part of your response has nothing to do with the performance of the card. As to the future of ARC; this means they actually have a solid foundation to build upon.
@@TheRealBillySlang WHO builds upon it? There was a reason, that Intel headhunted Raja from AMD. There was a REASON, that GCN was so successful for SO LONG. There was a REASON that Vulkan outperformed OpenGL in every way, and excelled on AMD hardware, forcing Nvidia to quickly reverse engineer Polaris and Vega. That REASON - was called RAJA.
NOW HE'S GONE. Headhunted away from Intel. No more Raja, no more "OMG Intel have great GPU's"
To build, you need a builder. Not a canteen server or a toilet cleaner.
Moron.
Don't ever reply to ANYTHING I write again. Thanks.
Alex Battaglia’s Corridor of Doom sounds like some sort of nightmarish Saturday morning game show for kids.
Had A750 for few months now, love it!
the most impressive thing about intel gpus is the fact that they nearly matched nvidias 3rd gen ray tracing at the entry level/low-mid price point with their first gpu
also XeSS is very impressive and even the lesser version u can use on AMD looks cleaner than FSR at 1080p, from what i understand it looks even better with an arc due to the machine learning
What about testing older games using DXVK under Windows? It’s obviously not a solution, but I bet some power users would like to have an idea how something like that might go.
And here am I, very happy with my second hand 1660 TI.
I wasn't really in the market, but seeing that 3060 12gb at under $300usd is mighty tempting. I'm still slumming it with a 5700g and its integrated graphics, and for basic use, light games, and emulation it's doing great, but getting some real performance for 200-300 bucks is a tough prospect to ignore.
I have a Galax 12GB 3060 paired with a 5600G and it's quite the pair. I can play most games with Ray Tracing at high settings and still manage good frame rates.
Great points, 6700xt also now seeing discounts..
I'm gonna be really curious to see how well Arc performs once Blender supports Hardware level raytracing for ARC
The 6700XT 12GB is starting to drop in price now as well £360 I've seen the cheapest right now, but I think there's maybe 3 months left of stock around because even at that price they have been in clearance lists. Rumors are rife with the 7700XT 12GB incoming apparently as well, but we'll have to see.
That 6600 is priced right now at £180 major drop from £280 in January. But I've seen it do well if you don't care for RT at all
If only the 7600 had 10GB VRAM just an out of the box card drop by AMD with all the VRAM talk lately
I have a RX580 8GB I game at 1080p and just care about getting 60fps+ but would like to get better graphics on my current games. I just can't afford £500+ card the 6600 was a card I wanted to go but now I would like to future proof VRAM
I started from a similar GPU performance wise, the RX 5500 4GB. It was a temp GPU during shortages due to it being cheap. My desktops now run 3060 Ti and 5700 XT on 1080p ultrawide monitors. Both are plenty for 1080p/ultrawide overall, but I'm starting to run out of VRAM at ultra settings on both and stutter in new games like Diablo 4. I think 8-10gb VRAM is OK for reasonable settings on 1080p, but a 6700 XT would likely let you max out nearly every game in the PS5 gen.
I love my A750, got it for $200 for my secondary system. Total steal of a deal.
I understand the lack of native Direct3D 9 support by Arc GPUs, but the poor D3D11 support is a real deal breaker. And DXVK is not a magical bullet, as it doesn't work with all titles and on online games it can be flagged by anticheating software.
As someone who mostly plays older, D3D11 games, Arc is sadly out of the picture, despite its superb value.
This was a really interesting comparison for all these cards. However, I really think that speaking of percentages when the difference is very small makes no sense. 10% better performance when the real-world user experience is a difference of ~2 fps at 30-ish fps is meaningless to even speak about!
I was taught in my stats training that speaking in percentages when dealing with very small numbers was not practical in terms of conveying true understanding to your audience and I definitely think that this logic applies here.
The assumption would be, that while cards with 8GB (e.g. a 4060ti) will overall be more performant than a 16GB a770, they have a higher chance of simply collapsting when you set texture quality to ultra in the future.
So while a 4060ti will still be faster, you might also be forced, in some titles (especially tripple-a console first titles) to run slightly muddier textures, while the slower a770 keeps trucking along at much nicer image quality.
But it's kind of a moot point, because a 6700XT costs as much as an a770, comes with 12GB, and is actually on paar with a 4060ti in rasterization.
It might be a good idea to wait for a 7700XT to drop.
this aint a budget 1080p shootout w/o the RX480, cmon guys
never thought i'd be excited for new intel products shaking up the market but here we are. hopefully we can finally start, like, moving forward again.
I've already seen multiple versions of the RX7600 (mainly MSI, XFX, and Gigabyte) as low as $243. Seems really strange for a brand new product, feels like a bubble in the GPU market is about to burst. My current system is very bottlenecked by my RTX2060 so I'm patiently waiting for that day to come.
When my old GPU breaks this is gonna be super helpful!!!
How long does it have :p
If only to that time Intel not stop to make gpus haha.
currently still on a i7 9700k and RTX 2080 and I don't know how or when I should upgrade, the 4000 series is just too expensive and the 3000 series don't offer so much more power for their high prices
I purchased an 8gb asrock arc a770 for $199 during black friday. Not a typo, it was a770.
1:30 Intel, the Integrated Graphics makers, making *a dedicated graphics card that competes with NVIDIA and AMD?* Still cannot believe it.