600 dollars is still way to much to spend on a card thats not even hitting 3080 levels, 12gb ram is good but it should be 500 or lower, infact this should honestly be the 4060 ti
Gamers making prices😂😂😂 You guys spend too much time crying instead of realizing that this card saves you tons of electricity and will be significantly cheaper per frame than any of the cards you mentioned over its life cycle. Nvidia pulled some shady shit with the naming, but that doesn't make this card a bad product. I'd get it over a 3080 or 6800 and wouldn't even think twice about it.
gtx 1070 in my country cost me 580€, $650 at the time. Currently, the cheapest 4080 is 1650€ and goes above 2 grand for high end models. And a 4090 is above 2 grand. These "$600" cards will sell for 900€ or more in my country.
@@blazbohinc4964 Literally order one from like Italy, France, Germany or basically any other country for ~450€ less. The shipping isn't going to be that expensive.
It's too bad that Nvidia handicapped it with low VRAM and developers are too lazy to optimise their games for PC these days. Otherwise it's a solid card.
The sad thing is the 3080 is a great card that should last years and years, but unfortunately vram limitations are quickly making a 1-gen-old 80 series card obsolete. Ridiculous.
I upgraded to 3090 from 3080 10GB because of VRAM issues for extra 180 USD. I’m set for the time being and will pick up RTX 4090 at 600$ when 5090 comes out.
@@Cruzzy0512 yeah maybe based on performance since it matches the 80 card of the previous Gen, but spec wise it's the same as the 3070 with a smaller bus and more memory, the performance gain comes from the new architecture.
That's basically what the sillicon is, a 104 die, 192bit memory and performance of the previous 80 card, that's what the 3060ti was in comparison with the 2080 super, but this time is now called "70" and priced only 100 dollars less than the 3080 with almost the same performance, is basically a discount with dlss 3....
RTX 3070: Matches or beats the previous flagship (RTX 2080 TI) for $500 RTX 4070: Matches or beats the previous sub-flagship (RTX 3080) for $600 😒 Nvidia is charging $100 extra for a lower tier of product.
So ballpark 3080 performance for $100 less 2.5 years later? Assuming this is a trend Nvidia decides to keep with all their cards going forward I look forward to 4090 performance at $600 in 25 years. Worth waiting for..
@@lerodmannot when amd is supplying free fsr to all cards besides looking frame generation for 30 series is a dic move nvidia knew that without frame generation their cards sks so they locked it for 30 series. The only card worth buying is 4090
How do you willfully make comments like this, while clearly not having a clue about VRAM in any aspect other than a UA-camr mentioning they "think" VRAM was a problem with particular settings in particular games? If you want 4k ultra, don't buy the card. Otherwise, the 12GB VRAM will not be an issue. If it is in 1 game, turn a damn setting down 1 notch?????????
I bought a 4070 just a few days ago. Upgraded from a 1660 Ti. The phrase "absolutely mind-blowing" would be an understatement. I am extremely satisfied, needless to say.
@@MiraPloy I get what you are saying. It’s still unimpressive. You are getting a slightly better 3080 for the same MSRP. I just don’t think that’s good value. Even if we consider inflation.
DLSS 3 frame gen is a serious feature. So serious in fact that AMD shills always say it's not important and won't benchmark with it on. Just like they did with previous iterations of DLSS. Until their cards got their own version and "suddenly" it's a key feature again.
Steam hardware survey of March 2023 shows them with 82.63% of the market and rising. AMD is losing ground every month. Until Nvidia has some SERIOUS competition they won't be breaking a sweat.
No company cares about consumers. They exist to sell a product and convicne us we need it when we really don't. What is wrong with people? Nintendo and Sony dont care about consumers either. They want your money in exchange for sanded silicon encased in cheap plastic.
610 right now lol. Jus price of one gpu dropped. This vdo was done way before the price drop. In short 6950xt is around 15% faster in rasterization thats it. Other than that 4070 is superior in every metric including ray tracing, upscaling, frame gen, power draw, streaming
The thing people need to bear in mind is that while the rtx 3080 and rtx 4070 are very similar in terms of compute performance (both around 29 TFLOPS FP32), the memory bandwidth of the rtx 4070 is only 66% of the 3080. It makes a big difference at higher resolutions...
Do bear in mind that RTX 4070 has 620% more L2 cache than 3080, and that nobody in their right mind runs native resolution 4K on a $600-$700 card outside of already non-demanding titles.
@@autodidact7127 Mhm. Not at ultra settings in actually high visual fidelity, demanding games. Those you'd be running with some form of upscaling nowadays.
NO IT DOES NOT. MEMORY BANDWIDTH =/= BUS BIT LENGTH. The rtx4070ti beats out cards with bigger bus lanes at 4K PRECISELY BECAUSE it's effective memory bandwidth is still HIGHER. Over and over again these social media lemmings repeat the same bullshit and never change their opinions in the face of evidence! It's EXASPERATING.
I get the exact opposite vibe. DF is desperately trying to walk the line of telling the truth (ie that these cards are a great value amd will sell like hotcakes) , while not offending the AMD dickriders that are overrepresented on youtube and social media. If anything, this video is still way too harsh on the 4070, as they were way too excessively critical of the 4080 and 4070ti before it.
@@Wobbothe3rd interesting. I don't really come into contact with amd fanboyism myself, so I can't comment on that side of things. I didn't really find their previous reviews excessively crititcal though. Also Rich obviously has a direct relationship with nvidia and while I'm sure he retains editorial control in reviews like this I feel like keeping them on side is certainly to his advantage. Ultimately I am not saying he is shilling or anything like that, just that he is very considered with his wording sometimes.
He's consistently tried not to upset Nvidia in all their reviews, presumably so that Nvidia keeps giving them first dibs on new feature deep dives. It's the only problem with Digital Foundry. He's not egregious about it generally, but if they EVER got into a fight with Nvidia like Hardware Unboxed did for not over hyping RT, it would be like when EVGA divorced Nvidia.
Very disappointing honestly. It feels like Nvidia if relying on frame generation to justify their pricing, and I just feel like they could have done better for the price. 3080 performance isn't bad, but we should be expecting so much more right now. I'm also concerned about 12GB for 1440p native games with rt in the next few years.
@@eliotwildermann Yeah. But FrameGen is actually awesome. Im playing Cyberpunk on 1440p, DLSS: Quality, with FrameGen: ON, and its around 50-60fps. I don't really notice artifacts.
@@FeroxX_Gosu cool, frame generation is also in a dozen games and works like crap in half of them and with massive input lag without reflex. I don’t think that makes a $400 gpu into a $600 one, just like rt didn’t justify the 2070 costing $600.
@@DC3Refom yes it does, it just doesn't provide extra latency. The frames are real for all intents and purposes except for reduced latency, and artifacts that are only visible when the original framerate is like below 50
@maaax1173 The prices vary wildly for 4070's here in the UK. You can get a Gigabyte Eagle for £589.99 but pay £699.98 for an MSI gaming X Trio. The MSI Gaming X GPU'S are hardly worth that price increase. Nvidia have gone to shit.
18:40 Are rasterization-only performances suffering from the 192-bit bus? Or is the reduced number of CUDA Cores? I can't remember if 4070Ti suffers in the same way. Anyway, looking to upgrade from a 2070 Super, this is the only card that got me interested, but that's not meaning is a GOOD card for the asking price.
I really wish you've included 4070ti in all your benchmarks. How it compares to this card is what kept me from buying it and I think I'm not the only one..
The core/perf ratio is practically linear here due to the other similarities, so you can basically do the napkin math yourself and chose from there. Personally i would not even consider a 12GB card today at anything but entry level pricing.
Shortly after the 4070ti came out I decided to buy it because the next tier down would have lower performance and saving a little money is not worth the drop in performance when spending so much. The 4070ti lets you enjoy anything at 1440p with ray tracing, the 4070 is a step down and it won't stay above 60fps for ray traced games at 1440p. It's sort of the same situation as why buy a 4080 when you can buy a 4090?
i’m in the same boat i’ve been holding off getting the 4070ti in curiosity of how the base 4070 performs, though from what i’m able to pick up; - 4070 kinda equals 3080 performance - 4070ti between 3090/3090ti performance personally think i’ll still go with the 4070ti since it’s a higher frame rate 1440p card (80+ fps) vs the 4070 which will hit a more flat 60fps. (assuming high settings with rt and dlss)
@beepboopbap I bought the 4070ti before the 4070 was out and I don't regret it one bit. Of course I didn't like the idea of paying £839 for the privilege but I can't grumble about performance. It exceeds my expectations.
@@JoeMaranophotography I sold my 3080ti and bought a 4070ti. The 4070ti is much more power efficient, cooler and quieter. DLSS 3 makes Witcher 3 full RT playable, the game really struggled with the 3080ti. Very happy with the upgrade.
Nvidia's market practices are getting worse each year. I guess they thought the crypto boom would continue for longer and now they must make appropriate adjustments so that they continue to milk as much as possible their potential customers. Perfect opportunity for AMD to take the lead here if they adjust accordingly (product performance and price).
I think I'm going to build AMD on principle alone. That said, how are drivers for them nowadays? I always hear their drivers fall behind, but when their performance and prices are so much more respectful, I have to think giving them the money is the right move.
From what I’ve heard, AMD’s drivers are much more stable these days and are about as stable as (or perhaps even more so than) Nvidia’s drivers. So that’s good to hear.
AMD will never take the lead even if they release a 4090 competitor for $350, the stigma surrounding them did too much damage to the point people prefer buying a 3070Ti for more than $600 instead of a RX 6800 XT for less than $600.
And AMD has had countless chances to actually offer good value in comparison. But no, they have shown time and time that they are content with offering slightly better value and keeping the rest for themselfes.
Just think what these cards would have REALLY been like, had Nvidia ignored media pressure, and released the 4070Ti as it's originally intended 4080. Imagine a 4080, for 1200 quid, with 192-bit memory bus, and a poxy 12Gb VRAM. Now imagine what the 4070Ti, and 4070 would have been like ? This is Nvidia's plan, to make cards obsolete in a single generation, as well as not giving playable frame rates at 4k - they want you all on a 4090 for 4k.
Just think... its a good advise that you should follow, the $1200 RTX 4080 was the current 4080, what changed was the planed and cancelled lower cost RTX 4080 12GB winch NVIDIA renamed to a likely previously unplanned 4070 Ti, this didn't change anything down the line
RTX 4080 16GB at $1200 MSRP never changed its price or its name or its VRAM, am I misunderstanding something here? What changed was 4070ti, after the name change it eventually released at $800 MSRP rather than $900.
Well they and their paid foundry channels can imagine people are made of money all they want but with the economic situation only worsening, they are in for a rude shock if they think these are going to sell like hot cakes.
Wouldn't really have madeuch of a difference, consoles are consoles and all game development is tethered to them. Nvidia was going to win big this generation no matter what. The only difference would have been to rtx3000 sales. Either way gamers will continue buying Nvidia, period.
@@TheDravic Nvidia tested the waters, and got some rather extreme backlash. Those are facts. Don't believe the PR BS put out by Nvidia over why they backed down.
Basically, what Nvidia is doing is talking about gains in performance, but basically pricing their new cards the same as higher-level cards of past generations, so that for the price, you're not getting more. Performance gains mean nothing if you are paying more for them. Double the power for double the price is not what we want...
If this card already struggles with 4k due to memory bandwidth limitations I can't see this holding up well over the coming years. The mid and lower tier 40 series cards won't be limited by their compute power but instead because Nvidia decided to skimp on memory bandwidth and VRAM amount. There's no doubt that this was done deliberately to make these cards obsolete in the coming years
These are not 4k cards and neither was the vanilla 3080. They were optimized for 1440p... Future titles will be more demanding, 1080p will be its future. I dont understand how you believe 4k gets better with age? Legit backwards.
I love how Richard instantly dismisses the RX 6800 XT and 6900 XT (which are both around $600 in the US right now) as valid upgrades for those with Pascal cards in his conclusion, despite the 6800 XT having more VRAM, and 10-15% better raster performance than the 4070, and RTX consistently remaining a meme on anything under a 4090.
MORE VRAM DOESN'T MAKE A GPU BETTER. Just because AMD said its important and you saw a UA-cam video of someone complaining because they 'THINK" it might have been an issue, doesn't make it true. Its not made for 4k.... The VRAM won't be an issue at 1440p and if it is in 1 game in the next 5 years...... Turn a god damn setting down 1 notch and its resolved.... These arguments are so delusional.
@@mllecamill3 There is nothing to see.... What you are insinuating is something only someone with no understanding of the technology could conclude. You are making judgements as if games have 1 mode.... Ultra max settings or nothing. This is like arguing with MAGA.
Hate to say it but its looking to be true. When the 4080 came out at 1200, DF concluded with its expensive but perf rise is proportional to the price increase, ao its not so bad, or something in this manner. By this logic a 5090, if its 2x 4090 perf, can cost $3200 and its not so bad.
I like Rich but he's really testing my patience by advocating that because a 4070 almost matches a 3080 it somehow represents good value. Imo it should automatically do that at the same price as the the previous 70 series did; that's just technological advancement over time. Sure inflation is a thing but Nvidia is simply ratcheting up prices way beyond inflation and way beyond any extra cost of materials. Without having looked at their video on this yet, I'm certain that my second favourite tech channel, hardware unboxed, will not try to tell me this card represents any kind of good value. EDIT: So have to eat some humble pie on this. Steve at HU (the yin to DF's yang) thought it represents good value compared to any card from the 30 or 40 series. With that said he thought $500 would be a fairer price. EDIT EDIT: Paul's hardware nailed the frustration I was failing to explain well by saying that while this GPU is relatively good value, what we are missing is the days when your 70 series upgrade got you significantly more performance than that of the previous 80 series for significantly less money. That historical line seems to have been broken here. See his video for a precise breakdown.
Pricing doesn't make it a bad piece of hardware. And no matter how hard we wish for inflation not to be a thing, it still is. I could be wrong but when adjusted for inflation the "price gouging" is not at all as bad as some think. Besides this happens to almost all products.
You realize performance leaps have always been similar. What you should be more upset with is nvidia due to cost from Tsmc taking away bit bus bandwith. End of the day no matter if these cards are better which they are that bit bus decline is screwing over any customer trying to push that card for ray tracing or 1440p or 4k in demanding titles and shortening life span of the card. Its purely a cost saving measure and a way to leap frog customers to the more premium models where that margin still exists. Only 1 thing nvidia did do right was the AV1 support and dual encoders even in low end gpu models. That really only benefits anyone who wants to record or stream not a pure gamer only 😅. So debatable. I have had 0 issues with my 4080 with anything where as my 3070 evga card 8gb ram always felt super limited. Bit bus on 4080 is slightly concerning and 16gb vram. Would have been nice to have 320 bit bus like 3080...bare minum. Nuts to think 3070 and 4080 as result share same bit bus lol😅. 1 step forward and 1 step back 😢
I was looking to upgrade from my 3070, because of VRAM, but at this price, it's not worth it. Probably better to look at current AMD price equivilents of the 3070.
So basically the price of a 3080 for the performance of a 3080. How spectacular. Also, that 12GB VRAM buffer is going to be a problem. It already is in quite a few games and it's only going to get worse.
and also it depends your games, if you just play for example minecraft or maybe fortnite, 12gb vram is enough. and if you want to play latest games, 12gb vram is enough (atleast for 1080p) and the most popular resolution is 1080p. so for majority of people, it is enough
No point to get 4070 while u have 6950 for arround 650 Euros, atleast here in Spain. RT on 6950 are very close to 3080 and on Rasterization is far superior, also it come with 16Gb and is cheaper.
I agree, but I still think this video and the 4070ti review was too harsh. IN REALITY the 4070ti sold like hotcakes, and this will sell better than that.
sticking to what guns? they're literally sponsored by nvidia so they have control over how they present nividia tech. DF is also breaking FTC rules by not saying that they've been sponsored, so i imagine an investigation is going to happen pretty soon.
I got a 2060 super at the time, and I can't believe there's STILL no good upgrade options. This card is far too expensive, yet anything less doesn't raise the Vram limit I'm already hitting (asside from the 3060 which isn't much of an upgrade).
It seems arc and amd cards are probably the closest alternative you'll be getting price wise, even if Nvidia has a stranglehold with some of the features everyone want it to work on those other gpus.
@@madgodzilla12465 I require an Nvidia card for certain productivity tasks that simply aren't supported on AMD. AMD is incredibly competetive in gaming, but they're lacking a lot of features outside of that. AI is the most popular example right now and it runs significantly worse, if at all, on AMD hardware. Personally, I work in 3d using offline path tracers. I've been using raytracing since before RTX was a thing and until AMD matches performance I simply can't swap over.
This is a great upgrade path for 2060 or 2070 owners. I own a super myself and I'm pumped to upgrade. The 2070S just can't do 2k or 4k gaming without heavy lifting from DLSS.
12gb of memory in 2022 is a bad investment even at that price point. if you want a card that'll last you a more that 1-2 years you need to be looking at 16gb vram at a bare minimum.
2:45 Where are they getting the idea from that the 4070ti has 557 GB/s memory? Every source I can find says it has 21 GB/s memory on both of them. They both should be 504 GB/s. There is no memory change between them.
As much as I respect the opinion and the work you guys do, I've got to say giving Nvidia the benefit of doubt with their current pricing is ridiculous. Yes, TSMC increased their pricing and yes, inflation is high at the minute, but just looking at the current prices and increases vs last gen shows, that most of the increase is from Jensen and the Nvidia board being greedy. 3090 < $1499 - 4090 < $1599 = 6.67% increase 3080 < $699 - 4080 < $1199 = 71.53% increase 3080 12GB < $799 - 4080 < $1199 = 50.06% increase 3070Ti < $599 - 4070Ti < $799 = 38.39% increase 3070 < $499 - 4070 < $599 = 20% increase There is literally no justification for the 4080 increase of 71% or 50%(depending which 3080 model you want to compare), when clearly they can increase prices by smaller proportions as shown by the 4090 and 4070, especially considering the 4080 only has 40.63% less core for only 25% less cost.
GPU prices continue to skyrocket, while most new games arrive broken, and almost always with shader comp stutters... PC gaming is in a rather sad state these days :' (.
@@Vsevolod3788 Seemed much better before to me. GPU's were affordable in the 2010's, and most games didn't launch quite as broken. If it was bad before, now it's just absolutely appalling.
Just purchased an ASUS Dual OC 4070. I'm looking forward to giving it a run tomorrow when it arrives. Currently running a Vanilla 2080. My main reason for this card is size, as well as power consumption. Seems the 4070 peaks at around 220W, my current 2080 is in that neighborhood as well. So I don't plan on a PSU upgrade for it. I'm interested in seeing how my I7-8700 will pair with it, as I'm not looking for a whole system upgrade quite yet. This old HP OMEN Obelisk that I bought on BF 2018 for 1199 has been amazing for just shy of 5yrs now. Hopefully I can see another couple years out of it. Cheers!
16gb of vram would be perfect, when adding 4k/8k textures and other mods for the coming 2 years with other games. Yet nice glimpse for what the future has to bring for me. Update dlss 2... nvidia will ya?
What exactly are the drawbacks of frame gen? I mean there are some serious frame rate increases in instances where its active. So just wondering what the tradeoff(s) are?
@@3dgelord187 Basically it's fake frames. The upgrade to frame rate is only visual. So if fir example you're getting 30 fps without frame gen and 70fps with, your game will feel like 30fps but will look as smooth as 70fps
Now will AMD actually release 76/77/7800XT cards now even if the market is over saturated with 6000 cards and so many different variety of Nvidia cards. Do they release with 12GB VRAM since that now become and issue, I am saving for a 6700XT 12GB because they ahve dropped to £360 and are still dropping
I picked up a 6750XT 12GB for just about $400 USD. That's pretty much the limit I will spend. I personally don't care about having top of the line visuals especially with the prices on higher spec cards.
@@WMitty2112 I think it's a pretty smart decision seeing what a 3090 cost 1 year ago, a graphic that was promoted with the excuse of RT and that in the last cyberpunk patch cries to get 60 fps at 720p. Now they sell me a 4070 with the same, it has DLSS RT and blah blah blah blah, as soon as the VRAM fills up all that goes to hell. The same I could say about DLSS but that's my humble opinion, who the hell buys almost 2000$ graphics to play with scaling as if it were a game console.
My graphics card upgrade path has been: Voodoo3>fx5200>8500gt>650>1060(3b)>2060super>4070(just bought). I usually end up waiting 2-3 generations before buying a new one. Though my upgrade from the 1060-3gb was fairly quick as it was starting to get annoying with that amount of VRAM. Considering the increase from a 2070super in your benchmarks. It's seems like I've made a fair choice coming from a 2060super. Though it must be a little frustrating in the mid range in the 3000 series and not being able to get an affordable upgrade.
I have an msi 2080 right now and am really struggling if I should upgrade to the 4070. It’s clearly better in every way, but is it that much better…tough time for gamers!
4070 is 529.99 right now on Amazon. That’s a much better deal. Though this card shouldn’t cost no more than 400, we live in reality and not a fairy tale that was 2016.
I am interested in the future benchmarks using FSR 3.0 on RTX 3080. I want to see whether people can hold onto their cards longer even Nvidia abandon the support of last-gen cards from their latest technologies, assuming the images quality and extra latency won't be fell off too much from the AMD implementation. However, the number of games will support FSR 3.0 could be very limited.
There is no information that FSR 3.0 with frame generation was available not only for AMD cards. What you are saying is fortune telling. AMD probably won't do it to show that it's possible, and nvidia made RTX 200, 300 users into a balloon
I feel like this only makes sense for the people that are still hanging on to their GTX 970/1070. Like you would have to be a few generations behind to even justify spending that kind of money on this card.
@@Rationalific I'm on a 1070 as well. they would've already sold me one if they hadn't gutted the memory bus width and hamstrung the card with only 12 GB of VRAM. I'm sure they know that lots of us held onto cards from the early generations, but when was the last time I needed to upgrade a card since it literally wouldn't run a game I wanted to play? 2005, maybe? I get the feeling if they didn't screw with those specs, the 4070 (and the ti) would've been so close to the 4080, there's no way they could've got away with selling that for the ~$1200 USD or w/e they're pushing it at. still, I've waited so long that I think I might cave. might make them bank now, but then I won't buy another card for the next 5 - 8 years, same as before. AMD is screwing themselves right now... don't they realize this is the perfect time to gain marketshare and repeat customers for the long term? they made a similar mistake with the Ryzen 7xxx series launch -- wasting a golden opportunity by assuming everyone was willing to eat another $200+ premium to buy in. I think I'll hold out for the 7800 XT. these companies don't seem to get it... after waiting this long, what's another six months / year?
I wish you guys would throw in some ultra-wide resolutions as well. I know it's more work . . . It would give more people a more informative video, especially with coverages for PC exclusives, ports and graphics cards. I think I remember John saying that he has a ultra-wide monitor.
I have a 1070 & a PS5. I'm sitting this one out. The notion that more expensive nodes and inflation are to blame here doesn't hold water against the reality that the premium, 90 class card only saw an increase of 6% in MSRP, while the "mid-range" 70 class saw an increase of 20% MSRP. TSMC & Nvidia are both getting greedy and trying to maintain or increase their profit margins at the expense of the consumer. It will hurt sales, but Nvidia probably doesn't care if its GPUs don't sell anymore, since it's doing its best to become an AI company. That, and the oversupply of Ampere cards, are more likely than not the reasons for this price gouging.
As a 2080ti owner for almost 5 years now, I will wait out the next 2 generations of cards. And seeing the prices of AMD and Nvidia nowadays, I am way more interested in Intel's new cards.
It is clear that Nvidia does not want to release a graphics card that will last as many years as the 970 or 1080ti. Fuck if the 3090 was already crying yesterday with the CP overdrive benchmarks, and it's a graphic that cost more than 1500 at the start...
I like the card but not for that price point. I will be upgrading to it from my 10series GPU, but when it becomes cheaper. Inflation or not, I don't see the value at the moment at that price point. This generation and the last few years are really making me question if it's worth upgrading or even building new systems anymore...
It’s such a bad time to invest in a GPU; it’s inevitable that new rendering techniques and newer hardware technologies will go through a period of poor value; but it’s hard to forget the great price to performance with the 900 and 1000 series; along with low TDP.
@@TDR-0484 games are being patched to support it all the time. Plus now that AMD are developing their own version of frame generation it'll be as ubiquitous as ray tracing.
@Ashkallon yeah that's true, I'll give it a year before diving in. Hopefully you're correct with that AMD assumption. It would be nice not to have to buy another $1000 Nvidia card after picking up a 3080 last year. Has AMD mentioned if FSR 3 will work with older model AMDs/rtx cards?
@@Melsharpe95 Raytracing isn’t even ubiquitous. Most games don’t use it over rasterization and if they do people tend to turn it off for more frames. Until games are globally illuminated the visual difference is not worth it, and even now just a couple of games are globally illuminated.
If we’re just talking about the card only. This GPU is great, the lower power consumption is great, the smaller form factor, the new NVIDIA features, and it’s Raw Power is pretty good. But once we get the price into equation, that’s when things get tricky. I don’t think it’s worth the $600 as some people (Including myself) have or will get the sense of Buyer’s Remorse if they do purchase this for $600 as it should be worth $450 imo. If you have the income for it, have at it, but if you value your money then I suggest waiting for a discount or look through third party market for a cheaper price
1070 was outperforming the 980ti, 2070 was outperforming 1080, 3070 was outperforming 2080ti and here we have 4070 not even outperforming a regular 3080. Absolutely disgusting price for such a gpu
In France electricity is quite expensive. Using the 4070 instead of the 3080 is much cheaper per hour. I think people dont look at the electricity cost enough. In that case the energy saving is impressive, and after a few years the amount of money saved could already be enough to buy the card itself.
Depends on the games that come out, the two biggest titles for me I wanted a new graphics card for were Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2 and there aren't really many games I'm playing for 100s of hours... Atomic Heart was the latest one I wanted a graphics card for but two of the three games were quite a disappointment.
Dear Digital Foundry, The phrase "we are seeing improvement in value terms" does not apply when the price & performance are nearly identical between last gen '80 series and next gen '70 series. The phrase "It's not an improvement if you shift the flagship cost to the mid-tier cards, in fact, it's an inusult" would suit much better. The word "shill" gets thrown around around a lot these days, especially at Linus and the like, and the irony is, they aren't... But this "review" is really pressing your audience (as proven by the dislike ratio) and anyone in the market to buy cards (as proven by the awful sales figures) into thinking there's something going on besides a purely objective review... because OBJECTIVELY the 4070 is a bad value card. There has been zero improvement in "value" terms.
The first game that they tested is Cyberpunk with path tracing, 4070 with fake frames vs rx6800xt, even though there are only few games with path tracing. It is something extra, that is not supported in most games, so why test it in first part of the video. Most people don't know much about tech and the first thing they see will be 4070 running Nvidia sponsored CP 2077 at 81fps while RX 6800xt runs it at 13fps. Imagine if i made a review, and first game tested was vram hungry at 4k with 4070 12GB losing to Intel a770 because of it's 16GB of vram.
@@shuyaku99 for now but 8gb is absolutely not enough, an extra 4gb of vram (12gb of vram) will last it about 2-4 years before that starts becoming an issue but also the bus memory will be an issue
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the absolute wizardry of those guys and gals and everything between over there at IO Interactive. MASTERCLASS stuff.
the double in performance is making it really hard for me to not upgrade from my 2070super, soooo tempting. I just hope they're not sold out everywhere before I have the money
Is all the criticism because it's not worth to upgrade from a 3000 series card? I'm guessing I should ignore the criticism and buy this card if I'm building my first PC?
@@bigtrees1727 yeah this seems pretty future proof for 1440p gaming, having access to DLSS 3 for these big titles will only get better as time goes on so I'd say it's likely worth investing in now if you're building for the first time
@@bettydougherty7392 You do know that DLS 3 is frame gen and if the game is not already running at least 30 but more like 60 the game experience is worse. and that the vram is a issue. also just wait and dont worry everyone that watches actual tech chanells and not df who have shown time again that they are the shill everyone tries to make other youtubers to be. Also there is tons in stock
@@bigtrees1727 that does seem to be the big issue. If you already have a 3070 or higher then yea the new 4070 doesn't seem very appealing. but to anyone with a 3060 or lower the 4070 is a big improvement. While $600 isn't super cheap it also certainly isn't in that $700-800+ range like the 3070Ti and above are.
So basically with the way things are looking. The rtx 4060 ti will be a rtx 3070 ti with dlss 3 The rtx 4060 will be a rtx 3070 with dlss 3 The rtx 4050 will be a rtx 3060 with less ram and with dlss 3 For pc gamers aiming for a budget build, upgrading your gpu is only worth it this gen if you still have a potato pc or a gpu below the 20 series with the exception of the gtx 1080 ti.
4060 will probably not match 3060 Ti, the leaks suggest AD107, and we know from laptops that AD107 is just very power efficient, but nothing special in performance.
I bought my GTX 1070 FTW card for $320 ($360 after tax) a year and some change after launch on sale. I think the card's MSRP was around $350 to $380. So only 6 or 7 years later I'm supposed to think $600 dollars is a good deal for a mid-range card. I'm sorry but that level of inflation is still too high. I paid $250 for my RTX 2060 on sale so the RTX 4070 is now mid-range and higher than the cost of the last two GPUs I purchased combined. I understand that we don't have much to choose from but that still doesn't make it a good deal. We have to fight back with our wallets. I haven't upgraded for a reason and I will trade in my Xbox One S for an Xbox Series S before I pay twice that amount for a mid-range card.
i have the same card and can't see the performance gains. i mean only 12gb VRAM the same 3080 performance for close to same price after 2years, fuck this.
My 1070 came out in 2016, and I'll probably be using it until 2026, so using your 3070 that came out in 2020 until 2030 may indeed be a possibility. I'm not even that interested in raytracing, so as long as games come out that still use give users the opportunity to use traditional rasterization, then I should be able to play current generation games in 1080p until 2026... Thankfully (or unfortunately, depending on how you see it), graphics aren't seeing the kinds of qualitative leaps they did in past decades. With these prices, I can wait. Nvidia will probably ask, "Why aren't people buying graphics cards as frequently as they used to?" and raise prices further to make more money from a smaller base of buyers, completely missing a major reason why people would choose to upgrade less often.
It's gonne be pretty spectacular coming from a 1660 super though. But it kinda pains me go give Nvidia my money now. But I kinda need to have a Nvidia card instead of something else for certain scenarios/use-cases related to my engineering studies and creative hobbies and ray-tracing making AMD out of the game for me. But that probably/hopefully won't be the case for the next more gamer-focused upgrade, where I'll hopefully get an Intel Celestial or Druid. I'm all for team blue in time, if they keep pushing prices. Hopefully in that time their drivers work near perfectly with both games and other applications as well. I just really really hope they are still in the game by then. I seriously considered an Arc770 or waiting for Battlemage, and I would have if I cared about gaming only.
I upgraded from a 1060 to the 4070 and the difference in performance is HUGE. Prevously in cyberpunk i could run the game at 1080p low settings 60fps but now with the 4070 and dlss 3.5 i get around 80fps at 1440p max with raytracing enabled.
Im happy with my 3060 it plays at high frames at 1080p just wish they would implement the dls3 frame gen its possible but Nvidia want to sell a product thats not really a big leap in actual performance but software thats hardware dependent
I also own a 3060 12gb card and i hope they do NOT enable the frame gen but the other DLSS 3 features wouldn't be bad. Frame generation objectively adds perceived input latency because you will be getting 20-60% more frames with no input available on any of those frames. You'll see 80fps but have the input latency of 45-50fps it won't be enjoyable and it will be noticeable.
600 dollars is still way to much to spend on a card thats not even hitting 3080 levels, 12gb ram is good but it should be 500 or lower, infact this should honestly be the 4060 ti
Hit the nail on the head.
500 or lower? wouldn’t that be cheaper than the 2070 at launch? is that reasonable?
@@iurigrang if it is a 4060ti yes...
$399 or bust.
Gamers making prices😂😂😂
You guys spend too much time crying instead of realizing that this card saves you tons of electricity and will be significantly cheaper per frame than any of the cards you mentioned over its life cycle.
Nvidia pulled some shady shit with the naming, but that doesn't make this card a bad product. I'd get it over a 3080 or 6800 and wouldn't even think twice about it.
I remember when the $379 gtx 1070 launched as a SOLID AND SPECTACULAR 1440p upgrade.
i payed 500 euro for new gtx 1080 back then. Seeing 70 card for more than $500 is a slap in the face
gtx 1070 in my country cost me 580€, $650 at the time. Currently, the cheapest 4080 is 1650€ and goes above 2 grand for high end models. And a 4090 is above 2 grand.
These "$600" cards will sell for 900€ or more in my country.
I still use my 1080ti lol
@@blazbohinc4964 Literally order one from like Italy, France, Germany or basically any other country for ~450€ less. The shipping isn't going to be that expensive.
When you adjust for inflation 379 dollars is now 480 dollars so I think the card should've been priced at around 500-550
I will probably be sticking with my 3080 a long time with the way Nvidia is going.
It's too bad that Nvidia handicapped it with low VRAM and developers are too lazy to optimise their games for PC these days. Otherwise it's a solid card.
I hit pause with a 1660 and analysed my obsession regarding upgrades.
@a mysterious viewer The 3080 has 10GB but I agree it really needed more. They only gave the 4070 12GB so it isn't a major improvement.
The sad thing is the 3080 is a great card that should last years and years, but unfortunately vram limitations are quickly making a 1-gen-old 80 series card obsolete. Ridiculous.
I upgraded to 3090 from 3080 10GB because of VRAM issues for extra 180 USD. I’m set for the time being and will pick up RTX 4090 at 600$ when 5090 comes out.
This would have been an amazing 4060 @350-380$, and based on specs, it looks it should have been that.
no this maybe too high spec for 4060,this should be the perfect specs for 4060ti in my mind
@@Cruzzy0512 yeah maybe based on performance since it matches the 80 card of the previous Gen, but spec wise it's the same as the 3070 with a smaller bus and more memory, the performance gain comes from the new architecture.
That's basically what the sillicon is, a 104 die, 192bit memory and performance of the previous 80 card, that's what the 3060ti was in comparison with the 2080 super, but this time is now called "70" and priced only 100 dollars less than the 3080 with almost the same performance, is basically a discount with dlss 3....
@@ice0hunter why do people think they get to decide what should be deemed a certain spec? It's a 4070.
@@Cptraktorn Especially when they ignore its performance.
RTX 3070: Matches or beats the previous flagship (RTX 2080 TI) for $500
RTX 4070: Matches or beats the previous sub-flagship (RTX 3080) for $600 😒
Nvidia is charging $100 extra for a lower tier of product.
They named 4060 ti to 4070, that way they can milk nvidia fan girls with higher price
this is a 600$ 60ti
3080Ti was barely an upgrade to begin with,
@@BillCipher1337 60ti for $600 MSRP? Now that is what I would call outrageous.
The difference between the 3080 and 3090 is literally only 10% anyway
So ballpark 3080 performance for $100 less 2.5 years later? Assuming this is a trend Nvidia decides to keep with all their cards going forward I look forward to 4090 performance at $600 in 25 years. Worth waiting for..
slower in non-RT games like Plague req. or returnal..
Shouldn’t dlss 3 make a big difference
@@lerodmannot when amd is supplying free fsr to all cards besides looking frame generation for 30 series is a dic move nvidia knew that without frame generation their cards sks so they locked it for 30 series.
The only card worth buying is 4090
You can actually get a 3080 for less than the 4070 now..
@@lerodman no. It's only in about a dozen games so far, and dlss as a whole is only included in about 10% of games on steam...
Why no comparison to the 4070ti in the charts?
No. The price is too high for a 12GB card in 2023. These price hikes are ridiculous.
How do you willfully make comments like this, while clearly not having a clue about VRAM in any aspect other than a UA-camr mentioning they "think" VRAM was a problem with particular settings in particular games?
If you want 4k ultra, don't buy the card. Otherwise, the 12GB VRAM will not be an issue. If it is in 1 game, turn a damn setting down 1 notch?????????
I bought a 4070 just a few days ago. Upgraded from a 1660 Ti. The phrase "absolutely mind-blowing" would be an understatement. I am extremely satisfied, needless to say.
Heads Up: The 6950 XT has hit $600 in the past several days, tho not officially.
AMD bad tho. NVIDIA better 🤪
This, ASRock's 6950xt is selling right now for $610, there's no point in buying nvidia
@@nathanielchapman7675 nvidia fanboy lol
@@nathanielchapman7675 Sad guy.
@@Ignacio.Romero isn't amd still ass at rt, especially compared to the dlss frame generation option
Too pricy for the performance you get.
I don’t understand. It’s a terrible product. 3080 performance for $100 cheaper 3 years later.
Nvidia and AMD sucks so bad this generation.
If you account for inflation it's $200 cheaper. That's about a standard tier.
@@MiraPloy I get what you are saying. It’s still unimpressive. You are getting a slightly better 3080 for the same MSRP. I just don’t think that’s good value. Even if we consider inflation.
Not the worse if you can buy it at $600. Something like this was 300-400 tier.
DLSS 3 frame gen is a serious feature. So serious in fact that AMD shills always say it's not important and won't benchmark with it on. Just like they did with previous iterations of DLSS.
Until their cards got their own version and "suddenly" it's a key feature again.
DLSS3
Why is the 4070 a 1440p card when its comparable to a 3080 that was considered a 4k card?
Vram requirements of games actually went up in the last 2 and a bit years.
I’m just really disappointed in Nvidia at the moment. It’s clear they don’t care about their consumer base at all.
Steam hardware survey of March 2023 shows them with 82.63% of the market and rising. AMD is losing ground every month.
Until Nvidia has some SERIOUS competition they won't be breaking a sweat.
They absolutely do not care about consumers, burt sadly it seems most consumers also do not care about this as they keep buying them like crazy
AMD doesn't care either but they don't have the luxury of having the entire professional market.
No company cares about consumers.
They exist to sell a product and convicne us we need it when we really don't.
What is wrong with people?
Nintendo and Sony dont care about consumers either. They want your money in exchange for sanded silicon encased in cheap plastic.
You keep buying them. Why would they care?
Would have liked to see it compared to 6950xt
Nvidia would never let them compare gpus to AMD unless Nvidia’s gpus crushed. DF can’t upset their sponsors.
Nvidia would not like this comparison
There are plenty of other comparisons on YT.
@@jaredweiman2987 But why a 6800 XT? DF did AMD dirty. 6950 XT is $610 US right now.
610 right now lol. Jus price of one gpu dropped. This vdo was done way before the price drop. In short 6950xt is around 15% faster in rasterization thats it.
Other than that 4070 is superior in every metric including ray tracing, upscaling, frame gen, power draw, streaming
The thing people need to bear in mind is that while the rtx 3080 and rtx 4070 are very similar in terms of compute performance (both around 29 TFLOPS FP32), the memory bandwidth of the rtx 4070 is only 66% of the 3080. It makes a big difference at higher resolutions...
Do bear in mind that RTX 4070 has 620% more L2 cache than 3080, and that nobody in their right mind runs native resolution 4K on a $600-$700 card outside of already non-demanding titles.
@@TheDravicI've been running 4k native for years in my 2080 and now 3080. I'm not out of my right mind. I think you are.
@@autodidact7127 Mhm. Not at ultra settings in actually high visual fidelity, demanding games. Those you'd be running with some form of upscaling nowadays.
NO IT DOES NOT. MEMORY BANDWIDTH =/= BUS BIT LENGTH. The rtx4070ti beats out cards with bigger bus lanes at 4K PRECISELY BECAUSE it's effective memory bandwidth is still HIGHER. Over and over again these social media lemmings repeat the same bullshit and never change their opinions in the face of evidence! It's EXASPERATING.
would be fair if you would mention dlss 3 too though...
I know he is being pragmatic realistically, but I always get the feeling Rich is being very careful not to upset nvidia in these reviews.
I get the exact opposite vibe. DF is desperately trying to walk the line of telling the truth (ie that these cards are a great value amd will sell like hotcakes) , while not offending the AMD dickriders that are overrepresented on youtube and social media. If anything, this video is still way too harsh on the 4070, as they were way too excessively critical of the 4080 and 4070ti before it.
@@Wobbothe3rd interesting. I don't really come into contact with amd fanboyism myself, so I can't comment on that side of things. I didn't really find their previous reviews excessively crititcal though. Also Rich obviously has a direct relationship with nvidia and while I'm sure he retains editorial control in reviews like this I feel like keeping them on side is certainly to his advantage. Ultimately I am not saying he is shilling or anything like that, just that he is very considered with his wording sometimes.
Theyre all shills that tip toe on frozen ice.
Gotta get those sponsors and algorythms.
they dont want to get kicked out of Jensen's warm Bed
He's consistently tried not to upset Nvidia in all their reviews, presumably so that Nvidia keeps giving them first dibs on new feature deep dives. It's the only problem with Digital Foundry. He's not egregious about it generally, but if they EVER got into a fight with Nvidia like Hardware Unboxed did for not over hyping RT, it would be like when EVGA divorced Nvidia.
the red text is so hard to read for amd cards
Very disappointing honestly. It feels like Nvidia if relying on frame generation to justify their pricing, and I just feel like they could have done better for the price. 3080 performance isn't bad, but we should be expecting so much more right now.
I'm also concerned about 12GB for 1440p native games with rt in the next few years.
That's exactly what there doing there products r more about there proprietary software rather than the hardware
@@eliotwildermann Yeah. But FrameGen is actually awesome. Im playing Cyberpunk on 1440p, DLSS: Quality, with FrameGen: ON, and its around 50-60fps. I don't really notice artifacts.
@@FeroxX_Gosu cool, frame generation is also in a dozen games and works like crap in half of them and with massive input lag without reflex. I don’t think that makes a $400 gpu into a $600 one, just like rt didn’t justify the 2070 costing $600.
@@joemarais7683 Where I live (Hungary), new 3080 cards with 10GB RAM are even more expensive (600$
So 3080 performance for 3080 price 2,5 years later 🤡
But it has frame gen!!!
@@johnboylan3832 Yay, a feature that won't work on 99% of the games available on PC! lol
and that only smoothes out frames , it does not increase the performance you are getting.
@@DC3Refom yes it does, it just doesn't provide extra latency. The frames are real for all intents and purposes except for reduced latency, and artifacts that are only visible when the original framerate is like below 50
Lol looks like Nvidia doesn't want you to compare it against 6950xt. Don't want to upset the sponsor right ?
Upgrading from 970 to the 4070... I wonder if I'll see a difference 😅
This thing is a rip off.
It will be around £700 or so here in the UK.
You can buy used 3090'S for cheaper.
4070 is Low wattage than 3090
@@shivmom7903worse performance, half the VRAM, but at least the price difference is set off after 3 years, what a deal
@maaax1173 The prices vary wildly for 4070's here in the UK.
You can get a Gigabyte Eagle for £589.99 but pay £699.98 for an MSI gaming X Trio.
The MSI Gaming X GPU'S are hardly worth that price increase.
Nvidia have gone to shit.
As a 4060 for $299 it's pretty dope. As a 4070 for $600 GTFO.
it maybe should have 16gb vram or cost 100$ less, but 300$ is delusional af
Idk, but 1080 ti is only -10% from a 4060 and 1/3 of the price, used.
The friendliest review of a 4070 you will see anywhere, wonder why ??
Can't bite the hand that feeds you...
In Real World its should be like this;
4090 = 4090
4080=4080
4070ti=4070
4070=4060ti
NV.. you greedy.. AI company...
Can you believe 4060 Ti will have 8 gb of VRAM? 😂
I bet you the 12 GB will pretty quickly be the limiting factor. Especially when you enable RT and Framegeneration which like VRAM.
Actually the opposite. RayTracing consumes less Vram.
@@FeroxX_Gosu source?
@@FeroxX_Gosu I am sorry, sir, but you are wrong.
@@joemarais7683 Doesnt it need less baked in lighting and shadow textures if it generates it on the spot with rays?
@@FeroxX_Gosuthat takes vram to generate
18:40 Are rasterization-only performances suffering from the 192-bit bus? Or is the reduced number of CUDA Cores? I can't remember if 4070Ti suffers in the same way.
Anyway, looking to upgrade from a 2070 Super, this is the only card that got me interested, but that's not meaning is a GOOD card for the asking price.
Mkes no sense, you can get a 600$ 6950XT with more VRAM, that beats this in everything even RT.
@@marsovac The only downside with going AMD is lack of frame generation and DLSS. FSR 2.1 doesn't really match up in fidelity.
Increased L2 Cache is saving a lot of performance.
I really wish you've included 4070ti in all your benchmarks. How it compares to this card is what kept me from buying it and I think I'm not the only one..
The core/perf ratio is practically linear here due to the other similarities, so you can basically do the napkin math yourself and chose from there. Personally i would not even consider a 12GB card today at anything but entry level pricing.
Shortly after the 4070ti came out I decided to buy it because the next tier down would have lower performance and saving a little money is not worth the drop in performance when spending so much. The 4070ti lets you enjoy anything at 1440p with ray tracing, the 4070 is a step down and it won't stay above 60fps for ray traced games at 1440p. It's sort of the same situation as why buy a 4080 when you can buy a 4090?
i’m in the same boat i’ve been holding off getting the 4070ti in curiosity of how the base 4070 performs, though from what i’m able to pick up;
- 4070 kinda equals 3080 performance
- 4070ti between 3090/3090ti performance
personally think i’ll still go with the 4070ti since it’s a higher frame rate 1440p card (80+ fps) vs the 4070 which will hit a more flat 60fps. (assuming high settings with rt and dlss)
@beepboopbap I bought the 4070ti before the 4070 was out and I don't regret it one bit. Of course I didn't like the idea of paying £839 for the privilege but I can't grumble about performance. It exceeds my expectations.
@@JoeMaranophotography I sold my 3080ti and bought a 4070ti. The 4070ti is much more power efficient, cooler and quieter. DLSS 3 makes Witcher 3 full RT playable, the game really struggled with the 3080ti. Very happy with the upgrade.
Next generation: introducing the new rtx 5060! At 1000 dollars. A great 1440p 60 fps experience.
10gb VRAM
@@JoseFArias-lt4uv 8GB and 128 Bit Bus for 1000$ price
Nvidia's market practices are getting worse each year. I guess they thought the crypto boom would continue for longer and now they must make appropriate adjustments so that they continue to milk as much as possible their potential customers. Perfect opportunity for AMD to take the lead here if they adjust accordingly (product performance and price).
I think I'm going to build AMD on principle alone. That said, how are drivers for them nowadays? I always hear their drivers fall behind, but when their performance and prices are so much more respectful, I have to think giving them the money is the right move.
From what I’ve heard, AMD’s drivers are much more stable these days and are about as stable as (or perhaps even more so than) Nvidia’s drivers. So that’s good to hear.
@@phant0mdummy Their recent drivers gave AMD a huge performance boost.
AMD will never take the lead even if they release a 4090 competitor for $350, the stigma surrounding them did too much damage to the point people prefer buying a 3070Ti for more than $600 instead of a RX 6800 XT for less than $600.
And AMD has had countless chances to actually offer good value in comparison. But no, they have shown time and time that they are content with offering slightly better value and keeping the rest for themselfes.
PLanned obsolescence like the 4070ti. The missing 4GB will cut down the GPU lifetime a few years, and make nVidia more money that way.
Just think what these cards would have REALLY been like, had Nvidia ignored media pressure, and released the 4070Ti as it's originally intended 4080. Imagine a 4080, for 1200 quid, with 192-bit memory bus, and a poxy 12Gb VRAM. Now imagine what the 4070Ti, and 4070 would have been like ? This is Nvidia's plan, to make cards obsolete in a single generation, as well as not giving playable frame rates at 4k - they want you all on a 4090 for 4k.
Just think... its a good advise that you should follow, the $1200 RTX 4080 was the current 4080, what changed was the planed and cancelled lower cost RTX 4080 12GB winch NVIDIA renamed to a likely previously unplanned 4070 Ti, this didn't change anything down the line
RTX 4080 16GB at $1200 MSRP never changed its price or its name or its VRAM, am I misunderstanding something here?
What changed was 4070ti, after the name change it eventually released at $800 MSRP rather than $900.
Well they and their paid foundry channels can imagine people are made of money all they want but with the economic situation only worsening, they are in for a rude shock if they think these are going to sell like hot cakes.
Wouldn't really have madeuch of a difference, consoles are consoles and all game development is tethered to them. Nvidia was going to win big this generation no matter what. The only difference would have been to rtx3000 sales. Either way gamers will continue buying Nvidia, period.
@@TheDravic Nvidia tested the waters, and got some rather extreme backlash. Those are facts. Don't believe the PR BS put out by Nvidia over why they backed down.
Basically, what Nvidia is doing is talking about gains in performance, but basically pricing their new cards the same as higher-level cards of past generations, so that for the price, you're not getting more. Performance gains mean nothing if you are paying more for them. Double the power for double the price is not what we want...
If this card already struggles with 4k due to memory bandwidth limitations I can't see this holding up well over the coming years.
The mid and lower tier 40 series cards won't be limited by their compute power but instead because Nvidia decided to skimp on memory bandwidth and VRAM amount. There's no doubt that this was done deliberately to make these cards obsolete in the coming years
These are not 4k cards and neither was the vanilla 3080.
They were optimized for 1440p... Future titles will be more demanding, 1080p will be its future.
I dont understand how you believe 4k gets better with age? Legit backwards.
Aye 2 years from now this card will be a joke just like the 3070.
Nvidia is infamous for planning the obsolescence into their cards with paltry VRAM allotments.
AMD cards are much better for longevity.
It doesn't. You just assume that without any evidence.
I love how Richard instantly dismisses the RX 6800 XT and 6900 XT (which are both around $600 in the US right now) as valid upgrades for those with Pascal cards in his conclusion, despite the 6800 XT having more VRAM, and 10-15% better raster performance than the 4070, and RTX consistently remaining a meme on anything under a 4090.
Thats why I dont take DF serious anymore. They are the marketing department of Nvidia.
MORE VRAM DOESN'T MAKE A GPU BETTER.
Just because AMD said its important and you saw a UA-cam video of someone complaining because they 'THINK" it might have been an issue, doesn't make it true.
Its not made for 4k.... The VRAM won't be an issue at 1440p and if it is in 1 game in the next 5 years...... Turn a god damn setting down 1 notch and its resolved....
These arguments are so delusional.
@@imgonnawin555 You will see soon enough. ^^
@@mllecamill3 There is nothing to see.... What you are insinuating is something only someone with no understanding of the technology could conclude.
You are making judgements as if games have 1 mode.... Ultra max settings or nothing.
This is like arguing with MAGA.
Hate to say it but its looking to be true. When the 4080 came out at 1200, DF concluded with its expensive but perf rise is proportional to the price increase, ao its not so bad, or something in this manner. By this logic a 5090, if its 2x 4090 perf, can cost $3200 and its not so bad.
I like Rich but he's really testing my patience by advocating that because a 4070 almost matches a 3080 it somehow represents good value. Imo it should automatically do that at the same price as the the previous 70 series did; that's just technological advancement over time.
Sure inflation is a thing but Nvidia is simply ratcheting up prices way beyond inflation and way beyond any extra cost of materials. Without having looked at their video on this yet, I'm certain that my second favourite tech channel, hardware unboxed, will not try to tell me this card represents any kind of good value.
EDIT: So have to eat some humble pie on this. Steve at HU (the yin to DF's yang) thought it represents good value compared to any card from the 30 or 40 series. With that said he thought $500 would be a fairer price.
EDIT EDIT: Paul's hardware nailed the frustration I was failing to explain well by saying that while this GPU is relatively good value, what we are missing is the days when your 70 series upgrade got you significantly more performance than that of the previous 80 series for significantly less money. That historical line seems to have been broken here. See his video for a precise breakdown.
Pricing doesn't make it a bad piece of hardware. And no matter how hard we wish for inflation not to be a thing, it still is.
I could be wrong but when adjusted for inflation the "price gouging" is not at all as bad as some think.
Besides this happens to almost all products.
You realize performance leaps have always been similar. What you should be more upset with is nvidia due to cost from Tsmc taking away bit bus bandwith.
End of the day no matter if these cards are better which they are that bit bus decline is screwing over any customer trying to push that card for ray tracing or 1440p or 4k in demanding titles and shortening life span of the card.
Its purely a cost saving measure and a way to leap frog customers to the more premium models where that margin still exists.
Only 1 thing nvidia did do right was the AV1 support and dual encoders even in low end gpu models.
That really only benefits anyone who wants to record or stream not a pure gamer only 😅. So debatable.
I have had 0 issues with my 4080 with anything where as my 3070 evga card 8gb ram always felt super limited.
Bit bus on 4080 is slightly concerning and 16gb vram. Would have been nice to have 320 bit bus like 3080...bare minum. Nuts to think 3070 and 4080 as result share same bit bus lol😅.
1 step forward and 1 step back 😢
@@Cptraktorn I don't know about adjusted for inflation but hardware unboxed rated it the best cost per frame of any current high end GPU.
Spoiled brat crybabies being served by social media echo chambers.
I was looking to upgrade from my 3070, because of VRAM, but at this price, it's not worth it. Probably better to look at current AMD price equivilents of the 3070.
You could sell your 3070 and pick up a 6900xt for minimal cost difference and get a massive performance boost, and a healthy VRAM buffer.
I feel the vram squeeze for you. I own a 3080ti and am concerned as I'm at the vram limit.
I think it's better to wait out this generation entirely. The price/performance ratio is abysmal.
the 4070 Ti even gets VRAM limit in the great cyberpunk tech demo already at certain settings because FG takes up extra vRAM.
Yeah I’ll keep my 3070 until the 5070 comes out… unless I see a decent priced AMD alternative
DF. Please do some reviews on the mobile versions of these new cards. Let us know how 8gb vram on these things fares.
Do you really want to know? Are you prepared for that massacre? ;o)
It's 12gb where you get 8 from?
@@mdkgod43 “mobile” means the laptop version, which is 8GB for the 4070
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I'm not sure 😱
We have Jarrodtech for that. He's got that market fully covered
3070 here. Playing BG3, AoW4 and Starfield this year no need to upgrade until 50 series.
So basically the price of a 3080 for the performance of a 3080. How spectacular.
Also, that 12GB VRAM buffer is going to be a problem. It already is in quite a few games and it's only going to get worse.
But it draws almost half the wattage
"12GB VRAM buffer is going to be a problem"
At 2560x1440? In what games, other than the most awful PC ports released recently?
I feel like Invida marketing for this card is entirely dependent on dlss 3
It's better than a 3080ti in games. 12gb of vram is perfectly enough, your just repeating what you heard on social media.
and also it depends your games, if you just play for example minecraft or maybe fortnite, 12gb vram is enough. and if you want to play latest games, 12gb vram is enough (atleast for 1080p) and the most popular resolution is 1080p. so for majority of people, it is enough
Add VAT in European countries like Greece and we are talking 750ish for a 70 series card... that's a 2x price hike from something like a 1070
Yes. So for twice the cost, almost 7 years later, we can have a card that should have had at least 16GB of ram.
My 970 was 500 AUD and the 4070 is 1000
No point to get 4070 while u have 6950 for arround 650 Euros, atleast here in Spain. RT on 6950 are very close to 3080 and on Rasterization is far superior, also it come with 16Gb and is cheaper.
Notice any video that doesn't slam nvidia gets downvoted. Thanks for sticking to your guns DF. I'm tired of creators pandering to the mass.
I agree, but I still think this video and the 4070ti review was too harsh. IN REALITY the 4070ti sold like hotcakes, and this will sell better than that.
sticking to what guns? they're literally sponsored by nvidia so they have control over how they present nividia tech. DF is also breaking FTC rules by not saying that they've been sponsored, so i imagine an investigation is going to happen pretty soon.
I got a 2060 super at the time, and I can't believe there's STILL no good upgrade options. This card is far too expensive, yet anything less doesn't raise the Vram limit I'm already hitting (asside from the 3060 which isn't much of an upgrade).
It seems arc and amd cards are probably the closest alternative you'll be getting price wise, even if Nvidia has a stranglehold with some of the features everyone want it to work on those other gpus.
A 6700xt or non XT 6800 are nothing to sleep on if your willing to go AMD. Especially second hand.
@@madgodzilla12465 While I am not buying them at launch, I'll also going to see how the 7700 and 7800 cards fair down the line. It be a long wait tho.
@@madgodzilla12465 I require an Nvidia card for certain productivity tasks that simply aren't supported on AMD.
AMD is incredibly competetive in gaming, but they're lacking a lot of features outside of that. AI is the most popular example right now and it runs significantly worse, if at all, on AMD hardware.
Personally, I work in 3d using offline path tracers. I've been using raytracing since before RTX was a thing and until AMD matches performance I simply can't swap over.
This is a great upgrade path for 2060 or 2070 owners. I own a super myself and I'm pumped to upgrade. The 2070S just can't do 2k or 4k gaming without heavy lifting from DLSS.
Very underwhelming memory performance, although less awful than the 4070 Ti. Overpriced RTX 40 series is a skip for me.
12gb of memory in 2022 is a bad investment even at that price point. if you want a card that'll last you a more that 1-2 years you need to be looking at 16gb vram at a bare minimum.
And even 16GB could get difficult if you plan on using any kind of raytracing as well as high-res textures.
12 gb will be fine till this console gen ends.
Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@amysteriousviewer3772 agreed. personally I would never buy anything below 16gb of vram if I was buying a card today.
2:45 Where are they getting the idea from that the 4070ti has 557 GB/s memory? Every source I can find says it has 21 GB/s memory on both of them. They both should be 504 GB/s. There is no memory change between them.
Moving Shadows from Ultra to High or Mid gives you a free upgrade from any game actually.
I miss my old 3dfx Voodoo2-12MB card...rest easy old friend.
As much as I respect the opinion and the work you guys do, I've got to say giving Nvidia the benefit of doubt with their current pricing is ridiculous.
Yes, TSMC increased their pricing and yes, inflation is high at the minute, but just looking at the current prices and increases vs last gen shows, that most of the increase is from Jensen and the Nvidia board being greedy.
3090 < $1499 - 4090 < $1599 = 6.67% increase
3080 < $699 - 4080 < $1199 = 71.53% increase
3080 12GB < $799 - 4080 < $1199 = 50.06% increase
3070Ti < $599 - 4070Ti < $799 = 38.39% increase
3070 < $499 - 4070 < $599 = 20% increase
There is literally no justification for the 4080 increase of 71% or 50%(depending which 3080 model you want to compare), when clearly they can increase prices by smaller proportions as shown by the 4090 and 4070, especially considering the 4080 only has 40.63% less core for only 25% less cost.
24:37 "...beats it into a cocked hat." Gonna have to start using that.
Digital Shill review always best
Have to be to get free 💩 🤣
I think less of you for using grade school insults, if you can even feel shame that might matter to you but let's be real...
GPU prices continue to skyrocket, while most new games arrive broken, and almost always with shader comp stutters...
PC gaming is in a rather sad state these days :' (.
A mid gen release with considerable improvements for current gen consoles will destroy PC Gaming for the foreseeable future.
@@lordspalse0062 It won't happen. Sony has plan on a slim versions only...
It was always in a bad state, more or less.
@@Vsevolod3788 Seemed much better before to me. GPU's were affordable in the 2010's, and most games didn't launch quite as broken.
If it was bad before, now it's just absolutely appalling.
Just purchased an ASUS Dual OC 4070. I'm looking forward to giving it a run tomorrow when it arrives. Currently running a Vanilla 2080. My main reason for this card is size, as well as power consumption. Seems the 4070 peaks at around 220W, my current 2080 is in that neighborhood as well. So I don't plan on a PSU upgrade for it. I'm interested in seeing how my I7-8700 will pair with it, as I'm not looking for a whole system upgrade quite yet. This old HP OMEN Obelisk that I bought on BF 2018 for 1199 has been amazing for just shy of 5yrs now. Hopefully I can see another couple years out of it. Cheers!
how'd you like the 4070? I'm also upgrading from a 2080 while keeping my i7 9700k, hoping there are no bottlenecks
Please don't normalize 599 for what's essentially a mid-end card. Should be like 399-459.
20:05 Why does it say 4K in the benchmark but 1440p in the text description?
16gb of vram would be perfect, when adding 4k/8k textures and other mods for the coming 2 years with other games. Yet nice glimpse for what the future has to bring for me. Update dlss 2... nvidia will ya?
What exactly are the drawbacks of frame gen? I mean there are some serious frame rate increases in instances where its active. So just wondering what the tradeoff(s) are?
It increases latency.
Half as responsive as it's framerate so 60 fps will feel like 30. Makes this feature only valid at high framerates.
@@Cacao613 Is it noticable? Opposed to with frame gen turned off?
@@3dgelord187 Basically it's fake frames. The upgrade to frame rate is only visual. So if fir example you're getting 30 fps without frame gen and 70fps with, your game will feel like 30fps but will look as smooth as 70fps
@@Cacao613 Ahhhh I see. Well... not worth it imo if that's the case. Thanks
Rent? ....or GPU? 😑
Now will AMD actually release 76/77/7800XT cards now even if the market is over saturated with 6000 cards and so many different variety of Nvidia cards.
Do they release with 12GB VRAM since that now become and issue, I am saving for a 6700XT 12GB because they ahve dropped to £360 and are still dropping
I picked up a 6750XT 12GB for just about $400 USD. That's pretty much the limit I will spend. I personally don't care about having top of the line visuals especially with the prices on higher spec cards.
@@WMitty2112 I think it's a pretty smart decision seeing what a 3090 cost 1 year ago, a graphic that was promoted with the excuse of RT and that in the last cyberpunk patch cries to get 60 fps at 720p. Now they sell me a 4070 with the same, it has DLSS RT and blah blah blah blah, as soon as the VRAM fills up all that goes to hell. The same I could say about DLSS but that's my humble opinion, who the hell buys almost 2000$ graphics to play with scaling as if it were a game console.
I think i keep my RX 6700Xt for a few years.
Same. For today price of 350$ it still an exellent card.
@@doornext8244 no regrets at all
Basically the performance of a rtx 3080
So another not worthwhile rtx 4000 series product
My graphics card upgrade path has been: Voodoo3>fx5200>8500gt>650>1060(3b)>2060super>4070(just bought). I usually end up waiting 2-3 generations before buying a new one. Though my upgrade from the 1060-3gb was fairly quick as it was starting to get annoying with that amount of VRAM. Considering the increase from a 2070super in your benchmarks. It's seems like I've made a fair choice coming from a 2060super. Though it must be a little frustrating in the mid range in the 3000 series and not being able to get an affordable upgrade.
I have an msi 2080 right now and am really struggling if I should upgrade to the 4070. It’s clearly better in every way, but is it that much better…tough time for gamers!
Honestly, at this point, I don't think anything less than a 4080-90 is not worth it.
id go with amd, vram on nvidia is too scarce
@@fxncy2566 in all honesty, DLSS is the only thing keeping me on Nvidia
FSR sucks, unfortunately
@@nisnast yeah dlss is undoubtedly better, but the raw performance of the higher tier amd cards may make up for the lack of the feature so idk
@@nisnast So what you are saying is that anything under a 4080 and 4090 is worth it.
exactly the video I wished for, as a 2070 owner.Thanks Richard
Same here and it is very hard to find such comparisons elsewhere.
Same. Im comparing to a 2070 Super and it looks good.
for £600 you can just buy a 6950xt only thing you are getting with 4070 is dlss3 which is good mind you, but i would buy amd last gen over this.
FSR3 coming so even DLSS3 is not going to be alone for much time.
u need hellova good psu for 6950xt tho, just a heads up.
@@whysoseeryus3053 im using a TUF Gaming 850W Gold does the job
4070 is 529.99 right now on Amazon. That’s a much better deal. Though this card shouldn’t cost no more than 400, we live in reality and not a fairy tale that was 2016.
I am interested in the future benchmarks using FSR 3.0 on RTX 3080. I want to see whether people can hold onto their cards longer even Nvidia abandon the support of last-gen cards from their latest technologies, assuming the images quality and extra latency won't be fell off too much from the AMD implementation. However, the number of games will support FSR 3.0 could be very limited.
There is no information that FSR 3.0 with frame generation was available not only for AMD cards. What you are saying is fortune telling. AMD probably won't do it to show that it's possible, and nvidia made RTX 200, 300 users into a balloon
4070 TI with 557GB/s bandwidth?
Never heard of such a version. Anybody?
504 for both
I feel like this only makes sense for the people that are still hanging on to their GTX 970/1070. Like you would have to be a few generations behind to even justify spending that kind of money on this card.
Still hanging on to their 970. That's me. But I'm probably sitting this gen out.
I'm in a similar situation as r p. I have a 1070, and I'm not interested in upgrading at these price points.
Yeah, it's only literally double the price of a 970 or 1070 too.
970 owner should just get whatever they can, any mid range gpu like 6600 or 2070 is only a few hundred but 2-3 times faster.
@@Rationalific I'm on a 1070 as well. they would've already sold me one if they hadn't gutted the memory bus width and hamstrung the card with only 12 GB of VRAM. I'm sure they know that lots of us held onto cards from the early generations, but when was the last time I needed to upgrade a card since it literally wouldn't run a game I wanted to play? 2005, maybe?
I get the feeling if they didn't screw with those specs, the 4070 (and the ti) would've been so close to the 4080, there's no way they could've got away with selling that for the ~$1200 USD or w/e they're pushing it at. still, I've waited so long that I think I might cave. might make them bank now, but then I won't buy another card for the next 5 - 8 years, same as before.
AMD is screwing themselves right now... don't they realize this is the perfect time to gain marketshare and repeat customers for the long term? they made a similar mistake with the Ryzen 7xxx series launch -- wasting a golden opportunity by assuming everyone was willing to eat another $200+ premium to buy in.
I think I'll hold out for the 7800 XT. these companies don't seem to get it... after waiting this long, what's another six months / year?
Why people are complaining about Nvidia 12gb.
It's more likely amd 7700xt will also be getting 12gb vram.
7700XT is probably not going to cost $600, if anything that price would probably go for a 16GB VRAM 7800 (non-XT).
I wish you guys would throw in some ultra-wide resolutions as well. I know it's more work . . .
It would give more people a more informative video, especially with coverages for PC exclusives, ports and graphics cards.
I think I remember John saying that he has a ultra-wide monitor.
I have a 1070 & a PS5. I'm sitting this one out. The notion that more expensive nodes and inflation are to blame here doesn't hold water against the reality that the premium, 90 class card only saw an increase of 6% in MSRP, while the "mid-range" 70 class saw an increase of 20% MSRP. TSMC & Nvidia are both getting greedy and trying to maintain or increase their profit margins at the expense of the consumer. It will hurt sales, but Nvidia probably doesn't care if its GPUs don't sell anymore, since it's doing its best to become an AI company. That, and the oversupply of Ampere cards, are more likely than not the reasons for this price gouging.
As a 2080ti owner for almost 5 years now, I will wait out the next 2 generations of cards. And seeing the prices of AMD and Nvidia nowadays, I am way more interested in Intel's new cards.
2080 Tis paid a lot at launch but got great value in the long run with the Pandemic and all.
@@Dangerman-zg3ui It IS funny how sick an investment that card turned out to be for people given how it was viewed at the time.
@@Dangerman-zg3ui Yeah, the price was insane, but I guess the mileage of the card makes up for it somewhat.
I wonder when a 970 level nuke will drop again.
3.5GB VRAM.... I'm still using it tho 🤣😭💀💀💀
@Luigi64 Minus that caveat. Granted that was still the era it'd still fit no issue.
It is clear that Nvidia does not want to release a graphics card that will last as many years as the 970 or 1080ti. Fuck if the 3090 was already crying yesterday with the CP overdrive benchmarks, and it's a graphic that cost more than 1500 at the start...
I like the card but not for that price point. I will be upgrading to it from my 10series GPU, but when it becomes cheaper.
Inflation or not, I don't see the value at the moment at that price point. This generation and the last few years are really making me question if it's worth upgrading or even building new systems anymore...
I suggest you looking into 2nd hand market. I managed to grab 3080ti for $480 with bill, box and 2 years of warranty left.
It’s such a bad time to invest in a GPU; it’s inevitable that new rendering techniques and newer hardware technologies will go through a period of poor value; but it’s hard to forget the great price to performance with the 900 and 1000 series; along with low TDP.
so worse than a 3080? gtfo
DLSS3 nab.
@@Melsharpe95 not enough games support dlss 3 yet to be worth it
@@TDR-0484 games are being patched to support it all the time. Plus now that AMD are developing their own version of frame generation it'll be as ubiquitous as ray tracing.
@Ashkallon yeah that's true, I'll give it a year before diving in. Hopefully you're correct with that AMD assumption. It would be nice not to have to buy another $1000 Nvidia card after picking up a 3080 last year. Has AMD mentioned if FSR 3 will work with older model AMDs/rtx cards?
@@Melsharpe95 Raytracing isn’t even ubiquitous. Most games don’t use it over rasterization and if they do people tend to turn it off for more frames. Until games are globally illuminated the visual difference is not worth it, and even now just a couple of games are globally illuminated.
Everyone is so quick to forget how difficult it was to get rtx 3xxx
Dudes, just dont buy nvidia anymore.
Why?
@@sebastian38488 because it sends a message: do it better.
If we’re just talking about the card only. This GPU is great, the lower power consumption is great, the smaller form factor, the new NVIDIA features, and it’s Raw Power is pretty good.
But once we get the price into equation, that’s when things get tricky. I don’t think it’s worth the $600 as some people (Including myself) have or will get the sense of Buyer’s Remorse if they do purchase this for $600 as it should be worth $450 imo. If you have the income for it, have at it, but if you value your money then I suggest waiting for a discount or look through third party market for a cheaper price
Im good with my 6650 xt for 1080p.
1070 was outperforming the 980ti, 2070 was outperforming 1080, 3070 was outperforming 2080ti and here we have 4070 not even outperforming a regular 3080. Absolutely disgusting price for such a gpu
So the same performance at the same price from over 2 years ago - well done, Nvidia!
Selling a
But how does it compare to my 1080 Ti for 4K 60fps gaming?
In France electricity is quite expensive. Using the 4070 instead of the 3080 is much cheaper per hour.
I think people dont look at the electricity cost enough. In that case the energy saving is impressive, and after a few years the amount of money saved could already be enough to buy the card itself.
Depends on the games that come out, the two biggest titles for me I wanted a new graphics card for were Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2 and there aren't really many games I'm playing for 100s of hours... Atomic Heart was the latest one I wanted a graphics card for but two of the three games were quite a disappointment.
Dear Digital Foundry,
The phrase "we are seeing improvement in value terms" does not apply when the price & performance are nearly identical between last gen '80 series and next gen '70 series.
The phrase "It's not an improvement if you shift the flagship cost to the mid-tier cards, in fact, it's an inusult" would suit much better.
The word "shill" gets thrown around around a lot these days, especially at Linus and the like, and the irony is, they aren't... But this "review" is really pressing your audience (as proven by the dislike ratio) and anyone in the market to buy cards (as proven by the awful sales figures) into thinking there's something going on besides a purely objective review... because OBJECTIVELY the 4070 is a bad value card. There has been zero improvement in "value" terms.
The first game that they tested is Cyberpunk with path tracing, 4070 with fake frames vs rx6800xt, even though there are only few games with path tracing. It is something extra, that is not supported in most games, so why test it in first part of the video. Most people don't know much about tech and the first thing they see will be 4070 running Nvidia sponsored CP 2077 at 81fps while RX 6800xt runs it at 13fps. Imagine if i made a review, and first game tested was vram hungry at 4k with 4070 12GB losing to Intel a770 because of it's 16GB of vram.
Does it have enough VRAM?
No 😂
12gb is enough at 1440p
I doubt it.
@@shuyaku99 for now but 8gb is absolutely not enough, an extra 4gb of vram (12gb of vram) will last it about 2-4 years before that starts becoming an issue but also the bus memory will be an issue
@@AssassinIsAfk 8 Gb is enough
Did you have rendering issues with this video? Some noticeably artifacts. Or is that an intentional effect?
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the absolute wizardry of those guys and gals and everything between over there at IO Interactive. MASTERCLASS stuff.
the double in performance is making it really hard for me to not upgrade from my 2070super, soooo tempting. I just hope they're not sold out everywhere before I have the money
Is all the criticism because it's not worth to upgrade from a 3000 series card?
I'm guessing I should ignore the criticism and buy this card if I'm building my first PC?
@@bigtrees1727 yeah this seems pretty future proof for 1440p gaming, having access to DLSS 3 for these big titles will only get better as time goes on so I'd say it's likely worth investing in now if you're building for the first time
Wait until the GeForce RTX 5700 which will hopefully have 16GB VRAM.
@@bettydougherty7392 You do know that DLS 3 is frame gen and if the game is not already running at least 30 but more like 60 the game experience is worse. and that the vram is a issue. also just wait and dont worry everyone that watches actual tech chanells and not df who have shown time again that they are the shill everyone tries to make other youtubers to be. Also there is tons in stock
@@bigtrees1727 that does seem to be the big issue. If you already have a 3070 or higher then yea the new 4070 doesn't seem very appealing. but to anyone with a 3060 or lower the 4070 is a big improvement. While $600 isn't super cheap it also certainly isn't in that $700-800+ range like the 3070Ti and above are.
So basically with the way things are looking.
The rtx 4060 ti will be a rtx 3070 ti with dlss 3
The rtx 4060 will be a rtx 3070 with dlss 3
The rtx 4050 will be a rtx 3060 with less ram and with dlss 3
For pc gamers aiming for a budget build, upgrading your gpu is only worth it this gen if you still have a potato pc or a gpu below the 20 series with the exception of the gtx 1080 ti.
RTX 4060 will be 3060 because 3060 is 2070
4060 will probably not match 3060 Ti, the leaks suggest AD107, and we know from laptops that AD107 is just very power efficient, but nothing special in performance.
@@niebuhr6197 Nvidia fan girls still praise that efficient calculator.
I bought my GTX 1070 FTW card for $320 ($360 after tax) a year and some change after launch on sale. I think the card's MSRP was around $350 to $380. So only 6 or 7 years later I'm supposed to think $600 dollars is a good deal for a mid-range card. I'm sorry but that level of inflation is still too high. I paid $250 for my RTX 2060 on sale so the RTX 4070 is now mid-range and higher than the cost of the last two GPUs I purchased combined. I understand that we don't have much to choose from but that still doesn't make it a good deal. We have to fight back with our wallets. I haven't upgraded for a reason and I will trade in my Xbox One S for an Xbox Series S before I pay twice that amount for a mid-range card.
Currently have a 5700 XT that I bought in November of 2020, should I get the 4070?
i have the same card and can't see the performance gains. i mean only 12gb VRAM the same 3080 performance for close to same price after 2years, fuck this.
u should get 6950 or 7900, or 4090 if u dont care about that money, but 4070 is not good choice, it lack VRAM today and has the performace of 3080.
i will be sticking with my rtx 3070 till 2030
My 1070 came out in 2016, and I'll probably be using it until 2026, so using your 3070 that came out in 2020 until 2030 may indeed be a possibility. I'm not even that interested in raytracing, so as long as games come out that still use give users the opportunity to use traditional rasterization, then I should be able to play current generation games in 1080p until 2026... Thankfully (or unfortunately, depending on how you see it), graphics aren't seeing the kinds of qualitative leaps they did in past decades. With these prices, I can wait. Nvidia will probably ask, "Why aren't people buying graphics cards as frequently as they used to?" and raise prices further to make more money from a smaller base of buyers, completely missing a major reason why people would choose to upgrade less often.
I will just wait for Playstation 6 am fine with SX and PS5 for now
I just snagged a 3080 10 GB card second hand for 400€ , and then managed to sell my 2070 for 200€ : Can't argue the value of that upgrade ^^
It's gonne be pretty spectacular coming from a 1660 super though. But it kinda pains me go give Nvidia my money now. But I kinda need to have a Nvidia card instead of something else for certain scenarios/use-cases related to my engineering studies and creative hobbies and ray-tracing making AMD out of the game for me. But that probably/hopefully won't be the case for the next more gamer-focused upgrade, where I'll hopefully get an Intel Celestial or Druid. I'm all for team blue in time, if they keep pushing prices. Hopefully in that time their drivers work near perfectly with both games and other applications as well. I just really really hope they are still in the game by then. I seriously considered an Arc770 or waiting for Battlemage, and I would have if I cared about gaming only.
I upgraded from a 1060 to the 4070 and the difference in performance is HUGE. Prevously in cyberpunk i could run the game at 1080p low settings 60fps but now with the 4070 and dlss 3.5 i get around 80fps at 1440p max with raytracing enabled.
Im happy with my 3060 it plays at high frames at 1080p just wish they would implement the dls3 frame gen its possible but Nvidia want to sell a product thats not really a big leap in actual performance but software thats hardware dependent
I also own a 3060 12gb card and i hope they do NOT enable the frame gen but the other DLSS 3 features wouldn't be bad. Frame generation objectively adds perceived input latency because you will be getting 20-60% more frames with no input available on any of those frames. You'll see 80fps but have the input latency of 45-50fps it won't be enjoyable and it will be noticeable.
the mental gymnastics in this video lmaoo
Laughable a $600 card gets released in 2023 with 12 GB of VRAM. What a joke.