Yonex Arcsaber 11 Pro VS Astrox 100ZZ VS Nanoflare 800
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Yonex recently released their latest racket - the Arcsaber 11 Pro. Heralded as a balanced racket (neither head light nor heavy), the Arcsaber 11 Pro was designed with tons of modern Yonex tech like the "Control Assist Bumper" and "Pocketing Booster".
We've always struggled when reviewers tell us that the racket feels "powerful", "fast", "responsive". WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? To ground those assessments, we came up with the MTAS scale, that measures and confirms or bust myths around what the rackets actually are, or aren't.
In this review, we'll show a full unboxing of the racket and we'll put it to the test against 2 of the flagship rackets under the Yonex brand - Astrox 11 ZZ and Nanoflare 800. - Спорт
Today I happened to hold some high-end Yonex Racquets: Arcsaber Pro 11, Arcsaber 7 Pro, Nanoflare 100z, Astrox 88S Pro, Astrox 88D Pro, Arcsaber 99 Pro, Nanoflare 700, Astrox 100z, Duora Z strike, Duora 10. shelterin
Being a fast player who scores points based on speed. Most head-heavy racquets would lack control and speed in terms of switching grips while defending. I play singles mostly with Voltric 10dg(Head heavy and stiff).
My Review about them:
Arcsaber 11 Pro -> Perfect Racquet (Everything that you ask for)
Arcsaber 7 Pro -> Once you hold 11Pro you don't want to handle any other Arcsaber. 7 is also perfect I think grip-wise there might be a difference.
Astrox 88D Pro, 88S Pro -> Almost similar just 88S Pro feels more control, 88D feels more power. (Pick anyone it won't impact much).
Nanoflare 100z -> Mama Mia is so light loved it, speed and control (10/10) but when it comes to smashing it would let me work more (Pro players can smash with all of these racquets) plus I could feel by touching frame one clash and its goneface-purple-sweating. Being from a normal family, I will stay away from this racquet. But it would be my fav and any day racquet.
Arcsaber 99 Pro -> Head heavy so I don't like the feel and control of it (Stiff too)
Astrox 100zz -> Same as above more stiff and head heavy.
* All rackets are amazing it mostly depends on your playing style. I can't handle 100zz I am not ready to accept itface-purple-crying but once you get over that thing what works for others will work for you as well. Before choosing a racquet, inspect yourself what your major points how you play, and how you earn most of the points. Is it by smashing, or more by defending, long rallies?
Happy Playing Mates 🏸person-turqouise-waving
My Pick for my playing style: Arcsaber Pro 11 > Astrox 88S Pro > Astrox 88D Pro.
what if im a defensive kind of player? what do you think i should use and also is it true that the nanoflare are easy to break and not that durable?
@@midnightmusic46 Arcsaber 11 Pro would suit you, its even balance. I really love the feel of it, i myself play defence style, fast-paced game. I ended up choosing 88S pro and it is too amazing, the only thing it helps in smashing more than 11 Pro, but 11 Pro has more control. Yes Nanoflare 1000z is good but kinda very soft and over control. It feels like you are cutting the air amazing racket but i don't want that much control, i like to use my muscle memory a bit. Yes Nanoflare tends to break when clashed although all high end rackets are delicate. Last week i bought Victor Thruster Falcon ENhanced Edition , after gutting break i didn't cut the gutting then and there and my racket broke after 1 hour. so keep Scissor with you while going for any high end racket. Look all high rackets are delicate, if u would clash they will break no matter , 88 S pro , 11 Pro , what soever. So don't consider that breaking factor while chossoing racket. go for what feels best. HOpe it helps
Perhaps a hot take.
There is no perfect racket in the world. There are always trade offs. It depends on your style of play and what you prefer to feel in your hand.
Hi, i really like your reviews of these rackets. Appreciate your honest and comprehensive contents. This should be viewed by more badminton players to inform their decisions.
Hi Zhen Yang, thank you for your kind words! Every share would bring us one step closer to that dream!
Arcsaber 11 pro is definitely not an easy racket to tame. I agree with you initially when I bought this racket and was disappointed with the performance, but after using for 2 months, and you start to get used to the racket, I realise this is an incredible racket for doubles. Drive shots and placement accuracy is top notch. Smash is also better once you get used to it, its hard to explain but basically when smashing you need to focus more on placement than power smash. I think if you are an advance player you will definitely like the arc saber 11 pro, but for intermediate players it is not a forgiving racket.
I agree. A balanced racket nowadays is not easy to like amongst all the speedy and powerful rackets. At first impressions you will miss the power you get from the whip of a head heavy racket and the fast manoeuvrability of a head light racket. But as I got used to it, it feels like a jack of all trades and master of all since it feels really comfortable hitting any shot. There's no extra drag trying to fast drive or defend like a head heavy racket, and power is still easier to generate than a head light racket. In an amateur game, tiny extra speed in heavy smashes rarely matters if you have good technique in the first place. You can smash well when you need to with any racket once you get used to it.
ya, the guy on this channel just sucks lol.
Authenticity and Transparent View on three Rackets... Many UA-camrs are praising 11 pro like hell
Thanks Subash! We pride ourselves on bringing data to the table. How one player FEELS may be completely different from another. So to cut through the noise, we decided that we will find out why rackets are the way they feel, and to what extent do they match what the actual statistics look like!
Your flex measure is insane. I always wanted to know how exactly they flex. Good video.
Thank you!
any suggestion on how to measure the sweetspot? that one is tough... :(
Dont know others think, but after i use my arcsaber for the 1st time, the controlling is more stable and there is no problem for doing the deadly heavy smash. Its up to your technical ability to perform the smashing
Looks like you have found a racket that is suitable for your ability. Stay with that.
I did review all 3 rackets with the same technical ability and hence felt that the ArcSaber 11 Pro was not the best for smashing.
Who was used Arcsaber series rackets and knew how is the racket for balance control not for one hit hard smash. Excellent on net kill plus cross net shot.
@@ggw038 excellent for control player..but not suitable for hard hitter one
great vid, should i go with the nanoflare 800 since i am a defensive player and have the best defense in my school, the racket i am using rn is the Victor Bravesword 12, should i switch to it?
Hi BlackMoon, congrats on earning that reputation in your school buddy! GREAT JOB.
Yes and no.
Yes: if defense is your strong suit and you're looking to maintain stability and keep playing a defensive game and tire out your opponents who keep attempting to attack, this is the SAFEST bet.
No: if defense is the only strategy in your gameplay, likely you might steer towards more defensive and stable plays, making you more susceptible to being "read" by your opponent by being predictable. Badminton is also a game of developing range - consider if you want to improve your attacking game, so that when your opponents make a mistake and give you an opportunity to go for the kill, you can take it.
Ultimately... a point is a point. Hehe.
Hope that helps, and keep going buddy! We're rooting for you.
- Joel
gonna buy the arcsaber 11 but will buy the 100zz... thanks
nice comparison. i like this video. ❤
Can you continue this comparative review but in the number 7 series, because all of these Yonex rackets have the number 7.😂
namely Arc Saber 7 Pro, Astrox 77 Pro and Nanoflare 700
if you make a comparison of them, I will be very grateful.😊
I already had the arcsaber for these couple months, its really good controlling racket. I feel easier to do dropshot,and doing defense. and I completely agree that my smash is gettling slower. Gonna try the 100zz this week, but honestly I'm afraid of its smaller frame.
try the nanoflare 1000Z too!
@@MoreThanASwing maybe oneday,now I’m in love with my 100zz. Feels more suitable for me than Arc11pro. The control is still there, and the power smash is great.
I'm a doubles social player. I play both front and back. Should I get a 5u with heavy head or 4u even balanced?
personally, i think 5U is really too light. i came from a 5U head heavy racket. it plays like a head light racket as the weight difference really negates the head heaviness. smashed and clears will feel really soft/mushy while the shuttle loses momentum fast. I suggest you to go with a 4U even balanced instead based on your described playstyle, try Arcsaber 7 Pro.
good review! i also think the 100zz is the best racket among the 3. can you do a comparison of the 88d pro and the 100zz?
Obviously 100zz is the updated version of 88z
@@satyasandip9949 AH HA! The 100ZZ is not really an updated version of the 88S/D Pro - more like a distant cousin actually! The 88S and 88D Pros primarily favour a doubles game, where the S (skill) suits front court players more because of its (lesser) head heavy characteristics, while the 88D (dominate) favours the rear court because of its heaviness and stiffness. If you trace back many many years ago, this would be the most similar to the old Yonex Armortec 800 - where the orange one was "Offensive" and green one "Defensive". The Astrox 100ZZ favours singles players more because of its aggressive play. HOWEVER, Yonex introduced the 100ZZ with a slightly flexible shaft to make it "whippier" so as to not compromise the ability to still take fast shots.
Not sure if you feel the same way about them, but a racket in each player's hand is unique and beautiful in its own way! Thats why we pride ourselves in not just how a racket "feels................." but we put statistics and data to make assertions about what a racket truly is - emotions aside.
Cheers Satya and Kyle!
@@MoreThanASwing i LOVE you. I came to see what new age racquet might replace my now broken armortec 800 offensive, and this comment basically sums it up perfectly. 88d pro will replace the at800, and 100zz will be the backup/secondary.
Just want to say that I have/had all 3 rackets in this review and I concur with the conclusion. Feel disappointed with Arc11 Pro because of the (too much) hold feeling. I find 100ZZ simply better in all categories, unless you do prefer the hold feeling
What’s the hold feeling?
What do you think 100zz vs thruster f? Or any other similar types to 100zz would you recommend? Thanks man
Which thruster F? I had both thruster F enhanced and 100zz, and can give u a comparison. Are u referring to the thruster F OG or thruster F enhanced ver? (Black gold ver)
@@bryanvillarojo9046 hi! I wanted to buy the thruster F enhanched but in the end I bought the arcsaber 11 pro. Still want to know the comparison between thruster and 100zz tho. Could you please share your experience? Thank you!
@@louisbudisoesanto1567 thruster F is too fast in the air. Almost no wind resistance. Not close to the power that 100zz comes with. However, thruster F enhanced does wonders in drives, defense, and backhand clears or drive.
@@bryanvillarojo9046 thanks for the reply! I see.. now I have arcsaber 11 pro 3u, nanospeed 9900 3u, and voltric zf2 4u. So far, I prefer 11 pro, the ZF2 is too slow and nanospeed 9900 is not as forgiving as 11pro. Really want to try the 100zz and 88d pro in the future. Thank you!
@@louisbudisoesanto1567 wow. So arc 11pro 3u seems more pliable than a classic 4u zf2.. hm..
Not every racket is made for everyone, there is high end and mid you just have to find the one that suited you most, i had the Nanoflare 800 head heavy been using it for a while , it has power backbone but i feel i can not tamped it some how, one day a friend let me hold his Arcsaber 11 pro , wow the feel is amazing, i love it straight away before playing with it, its like meant to be lol, i feel i can do more with it in my imagination already, so decided to buy on online already.
How is nf800 is head heavy?
NF800P is head light. :)
Nice short intro video. I'm actually surprised by how you felt about the AS 11 Pro and the claim is backed by a metric.
To be honest, if that's the truth then I'll be a little disappointed with this release.
I have all 3 models as well in 4UG5. For my case, I really love the 800NF and use it over 100zz. I was hoping that AS 11 pro would come between them, but so far when I tried I had the similar conclusion to yours. However, for mine I still have not strung to my usual string (66UM @ 26 lb) as I got it second hand (80 Force @ 28 lb) .
Currently:
NF800 (66UM @ 27lb) >= AX 88D Pro (66UM @ 26 lb) > AX 100zz (66UM @ 26lb) > 11 AS pro (80 Force @ 28 lb)
Really look forward to an in depth review that you mentioned you might be doing!
Hi Benedict, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
While it may not be the racket for us, it may boil down to personal preference (which is very normal!). That said, credit is still due and we felt that the AS 11 Pro was a forgiving racket that was well balanced and works well in most plays. The technologies Yonex introduced in the racket head made it more playable at the beginner and intermediate levels. This could be particularly helpful for players who benefit from the larger sweet spot and the flexibility of improving their games without niche-ing down to a head heavy or light bias.
We'll be releasing a video sometime soon, that explains the MTAS scale and how they affect a racket's performance! Till then, stay safe, sane, and keep smashing on!
Honest feedback from fellow players who've tested new rackets on court is really appreciated compared other players/reviews that base merely on tech specs and numbers without on court testing.
Although you mentioned you wouldn't recommend the Arc11Pro, I think this video made me want to get one more. This would be my first high end racket and I'm excited to make a comeback this year. I've only pkayed with head heavy rackets, and I'm starting to I've outgrown my current rackets.
It's a lovely racket, rackets have to suit an individual and paired with right string and tension to bring the best out. I have all these rackets in 3u and 11pro is definitely an all rounder but the 100zz is the power racket and 800 is the super fast racket with good power aswell
your advice if the power is not strong, when using astrox 100 zz what do you think?
Hi Rizky! If i'm understanding you correctly, the 100 zz has amazing power. While it may not be as heavy or stiff as a Voltric Z force II, the extra slim shaft and racket technologies give it very high effective power without compromising on speed. Hope this is helpful!
@@MoreThanASwing how about 100 zz kurenai with its defensive maneuvering speed, is it solid and almost like 88 S Pro
arcsaber 11 pro vs astrox 77 pro, which the best.. please compare this rakets
Hi Sai! HAHAHA you are fast to keep up with trends.... Look out next month for our review on the Astrox 77 Pro!
PS. we like the 77 Pro so far
saw a good video about Victor Thruster F would you check it out seems bigger, stiff and balanced ? Cheers
thank you for the suggestion. i will be focusing on Yonex and Li Ning rackets for now.
What about nanoflare 800 vs astrox 77 pro?
Whats the string and tension you use on 100zz ? I just want to know the majority people use on it.
Hi Hardi! It really depends on a few factors:
- Grading: Professional players would go for 28-34lbs, advanced players 26-28. Everyday shuttlers would typically go for 24-26 for a more forgiving play, plus your strings would be less prone to snapping!
- String replacement: The higher the tension, the less durable it is. A 28lbs and above string tension would snap if the racket makes poor contact with the shuttle. And even if you hit it 80% of the time, it will snap in less than a month.
So to answer your question, the majority of players would string it between 25-26 at a social game level. Hope it helps, and KEEP. ON. SMASHING!
@@MoreThanASwing so 26 is the best ?
I have these 3 models. For me, 100zz is the best for smashing but lacking in defense compare to the other 2 models. But it's a beast especially at the backcourt. Arc11pro is the best/easiest to do lifting-defense and i feel it's very accurate for placing and netting. Like its name, it's the all rounder racket. Nanoflare800 best in counter attacking drive-defense and all those shots at the front to mid court. For smashing it's quite similar to the arcsaber 11 pro in terms of power produced.
Well, racket feeling is indeed subjective.
I agree with most of your comments:
1) 100zz is best for smashing
2) nanoflare 800 is best in counter attack and drives.
I agree halfheartedly that the Arc11pro makes lifting "easy" and i am guessing it is because of a larger sweet spot.
How is Astrox 88D pro vs 100zz?
Can you make a video of these two racket comparison?
Hi Leslie, great question! We'll be releasing a video that compares all the rackets within the Astrox series! We're conducting our MTAS Scale tests right as we speak, so hang tight! Stay tuned, and... KEEP. ON. SMASHING. Cheers
What matters is what suits for your hands. For me arcsaber 11 is perfect
Nice. :)
is 100zz for singles?
Can do the nanoflare 800 pro? & compare with mizuno /lining rackets?
I've done a review on the NF800 Pro. you can check out the measurements and statistics there.
I'm sorry but it will not be possible for me to compare all the rackets given the gazillion possible permutations.
Arcsaber 11 pro was my beginner racket 😅. Now I’m an Astrox user (1000zz), not going back to an even balanced racket much so with a head light racket. 😅
I have played with voltric 70 E tune (3U), arcsaber 10 (4U) and nanoflare 800 (4U) and I like the NF800 the most! It's so easy to manure and moves like a sword in the air - very fast.
amongst the rackets you mentioned, nanoflare has the most "head light" balance. hence, it feels fast.
Hi,my go to racket is the astrox 88s pro .I dont play singles and i am a front court player basically so this racket is perfect for me.But i want a secondary racket.Can u suggest me any other racket which is similar to astrox 88s pro?
Try the nanoflare 800. Its as fast as the 88s pro but it got more power to it. I still dont know how i feel for the back court shots but front court is really amazing
Hi Sishir, you should try the new Astrox 77 Pro !!! i love it. review coming up soon. :)
besides that, i changed my main racket from 77 to 88s to 100zz.
Review that is only focussing on smash is pretty flawed. There are drop shots, drive, clear, net, backhand and other shots in badminton. It also depends if you're playing singles or doubles. This racket is better suited for advanced singles player while the OG Arcsaber 11 is great for beginners to advance players.
Hi Jonathan, I will gladly take feedback. I would like to ask you for suggestions on how to review net shot and dropshot when it comes to the racket review.
in a related note, which aspect of the racket do you think affects the net shot and dropshot.
I would make a video out of your suggestion if i can. :)
@@MoreThanASwing The placement of the shuttle while you doin net shot and drop shot. Is the shuttle goes to the direction you want? Is it consistent while you doin that shot? Is the shuttle fly closer to the net while you doin that shot or is it goes high and flat? How about the feeling while you doin that shot? Is the racket responsive enough while you hit the shuttle? Can you feel the shuttle while you hit the shot or is it damp so you cant control/feel the shuttle enough? Thats some of points you can make while reviewing this racket for delicate shot like slice, drop or net.
You could play a match and tested the racket also. Make a note about every shot you do, and compare them when you play with your usual racket and the racket you review. From that, you could tell a more detailed advantage and disadvantage of the new racket you currently review. I'll give you a couple of reference for you to improve your review skill. If you have a free time, first channel i suggest you to watch is CK Yew, make a note on how he review a racket. And second is vsmash channel, the guy review every shot he played and gives a very detailed review about the racket.
Im not encouraging you to copy their style, but maybe you could learn a thing or two and add them to your already good review.
Hey man, could u do a comprehensive review of 100zz vs original 88s vs 88d pro
Hi Skie, we hear you and we look forward to reviewing the Astrox series in depth. In our next video, there will be a comparison between the 99 and the newer 99 pro! Look out for that one in the meantime, cheers!
Which racket would be better for a back court doubles intermediate player, the Astrox 88d pro or the astrox 100zz 4u?
Also the best string?
Thanks Tim ☺️
if you really wants some power, it would be the 88D pro. but you will have to sacrifice defense and speed.
100zz would be more balanced, but still decent for smashes. try it.
Arcsaber 11 pro raket terbaik yg pernah saya gunakan, mungkin kalo untuk pemula emang agak susah penyesuaiannya, tp untuk tingkat lebih lanjut apalagi skill kalian mumpuni ini arcsaber 11 wajib kalian coba😁
It’s been like 100 years, Bro. 🤦🏽
Happy you noticed! It has been a few months since its release. We took the liberty to test it over a period, before we determine how we felt about it. While this isn't a 'first look' type video, it covers some data points that we felt were important to us as players. Cheers
@@MoreThanASwing No. I mean your last video literally a year ago haha. And i 100% agree with you that this racket has too much shuttle hold, makes it feels like it has zero power and somewhat ‘sluggish’. I sold mine after a week of use. 😆
@@krizaey8782 Oh yes it has been a year hasn't it! So sorry to leave you hanging like that buddy. Thank you for staying on despite the fact, and for sharing your personal experience with your racket! Cheers!
@@MoreThanASwing
Replace Arc 11 pro with Arc 7 Pro and then plz compare . Arcsaber 7 Pro, Nanoflare 800, Astrox 100ZZ, Astrox 99 Pro and Astrox 77 Pro .It wll b a complete guide to all
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Here's a review of arcsaber 7 Pro.
Arc 11 pro is now the most Popular Racket on tours ! Facts dont lie !
i know it that arc11pro is overrated, the way other review it is like a perfect racket (mostly of them own a badminton store so...). i have try playing with it and its like a jack of all trade but not worth for the price. its a good racket but too overprice for its performance and the store reviewer keep overvalue it like its a must buy racket. heck if you like it than use it!
💯 agree I totally repent buying this racket. I learnt quickly you can't have Jack of all trades and at the end it does nothing great!!
@@LiveLifeWithLove thats why its great, basically u can do everything with this racket effortless
Can you do it for nextage racket
at this point, im only comparing rackets that are used my professionals.
but, i'll consider it in the future. Thank you!
What string did you use for 100zz?
Hi Ronni Robert! Across all the rackets we test, we strung our rackets with Yonex BG66 Ultimax. We LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the loud bang it makes on a smash hehe.
Why no more review?
I just did a review on the Axforce and the Halbertec.
more reviews coming soon too!
ARCABER 11 PRO BG 80 28 LBS
4U or 3U
Broke my Arcsaber 11 Pro after a week of use :( #rip Racket clashes was the cause of it
I'm so sorry to hear, Mercury... Hope you've not been too disheartened 🥺
I searched up on google that a 3u racket is 85-90g and a 2u racket is 90-95g. So does that mean the astrox 100zz is really a 2u racket? Or did you make the measurements wrong😭
The weight include the string and overgrip
What matters is what suits for your hands. With arcsaber 11 I'm able to defeat my enemy.
Glad you found a racket you like. :)
Powerful but slow is contradictory is it not?
Maybe the sound, because the strong sound gives a powerful presence.
Powerful smash but maybe heavy and thus more slow moving the racket around.
Hi Ranish, i dont think it is contradictory at all. Consider a really heavy hammer. if you can wield it, if could be powerful. but it will unlikely be fast. Does that make sense?
@@MoreThanASwing got ur point now
@@MoreThanASwing but if u are able to wield the hammer faster wont it be more deadlier considering it is the same exact hammer? Im still having a hard time trying to understand what is a fast but less powerful , or slow but powerful smash. It is the same shuttlecock...
your feet in the shots threw me off sm lol
not a lot of fans of arcsabers these days...
You know what they say, Jack of all trades...
I think NF800 is more complete
The Nanoflare800 is a great racket, we really like it. Psst Frank... we're doing a review across the Nanoflare series soon. Keep a lookout!
Nano 800 dễ chơi nhất
😊
Astrox 100 zz is the most powerful racket
Arcsaber 11 is a control racquet for slower ball. Not fair to compare with those racquet.
Try more control with drop shot, or half ball, to reduce opponent speed. Yonex arent stupid to create these racquet.
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