Betsy can still be used for shunting duties at the freight depot even if she can't work on the main line. Every depot needs a pilot engine Betsy can also be a rescue engine too
Seeing trains carrying aluminium ingots regularly passing next to my home, i can tell you the devs are generous to allow three iron beams stacks on a single car. When the aluminium trains go by, and mind you these have modern full-sized cars with two 220 tons engines in front and two in the middle, the train looks positively funny as the cars look empty with two ingots in front of another and only two high with an insane amount of straps to hold them in place. You have to remember that a full ingot is absolutely massive: lets say every beam in the car is 10x30 cm for 5m long, that is a 1181 Kg piece, and the car carries 15 of these, meaning over 17 tons of iron!
I live in a farming town so we get freight trains running hopper cars, milk tanks, steel, machinery and oil all the time. These devs are being super generous with amounts because irl that fully loaded train kAN brought would probably have violated tons of OSHA crap. The devs are also stingy with prices cause a single pallet of iron ingots would cost well into the 500 buck range.
@@armadussteel2489 remember this game is set in the 1800s to early 1900s so the prices are set for that time period and the amount of cargo is based on the time period which had much less regulation hence why train derailment was much more common back then.
@@azurepony9972 never mentioned derailment but if the devs wanted to be more "accurate" the train would have had one pallet per car and more then likely each pallet would have been sold for 50 bucks each. Still 600 bucks in game but more grinding.
You should park the gear engine over near the steep sections, then use less powerful but faster engines to bring stuff across the flatter sections. That way u don't have to deal with the slow speed of the gears, and you can just switch the engine when you get to the steep section
Wouldn't even need to switch engines I don't think, just hook the gear engine in ahead of the faster engine and I am pretty sure it would drag the cold engine up the hill just fine lol.
17:32 its funny how ingrained "up on two wheels is" when talking about cars nearly rolling over. Since that engine has 8 wheels, it was actually "up on four wheels" lol
I calculated it, you are actually just about under the weight limit of the cars even just with 3 batches of the bars. I approximated from the cart length, width and using a list of available cold-rolled steel beams that the biggest size you can buy is 6000x150x80mm (~236x6x3.15in), which has 94.2kg/m (~62.1lb/ft). Since each beam is 6m (~236in) long and there are 5 beams in each batch, the weight of each batch is roughly 2826kg (~6230lb). Since the cars weight limit is 20000lb, which is roughly 9072kg, 3 batches, weighing around 8478kg (~18690.8lb), are just below the limit. 4 batches would be 11304kg (~24 921.1lb), which is way over. It would be possible to maybe take 4 batches or even go all the way up to 5 (14130kg~31 151.3lb), since the safety coefficient of most devices is in the range from 1.5 to 2 (safety coefficient is applied to straining limits of products, where the failing load is divided by this coefficient to calculate the "safe loading limit"), however, if the train car is old, malfunctioning or damaged, that could overstrain it.
The real money isn't selling at the freight depot. Compounding the income by selling to the next industry is where it's at. The Climax is a mini beast, but it makes the Heisler feel like a rocket ship.
Hey Kan. If you want to put your Betsy to good use consider this: Make a 18-car train for the Heisler, and have the Betsy between the first 9 cars and the last 9 cars. The Heisler should be able to pull 18-ish cars and the dead weight of Betsy, at least on 3% grades (since it barely fails on 6% with 12 cars). If you split the train in front of Betsy, that will give you two 9-car trains, which should be easy enough to load/unload. You just have to remember to fuel Betsy's fire first thing once you reach a station. Betsy should build enough pressure in the time it takes you to load the first 9 cars using the Heisler. Then you can immediately load Betsy's half and re-attach it to the Heisler's back, and you're ready to go to your next stop.
I've pulled 15 loaded lumber cars with 5 empty hoppers up a steady 3% to the iron mine with the Heisler, it's a beast. (I bet it could do more, the links will probably fail before it does.) EDIT: If you hover at the unload point of a car after placing the first item you want to load it will tell you the max number of items for a full car to prevent wasting material.
I just pulled 12 cars loaded with beams up a constant 5% grade with ease using the Heisler. It didn't even feel it. My end goal is to be able to run my coal cars over that line in groups of 20 cars. I think it'll do it but I have to buy more ore cars still. It is indeed a beast.
I think it'd be fine if the devs added automated train car loading as a toggle option, and how it'd work is that each time it operates automatically it costs some amount of money, like $1 or $2 or something, maybe a little more for higher materials.
I'm curious how the physics works, if you hooked a fast engine up along with a gear engine, could you use the gear to drag the train around steep parts and actually drag the geared engine faster than its normal travel speed with the quicker engine?
If the physics worked out, you could use the Heisler as a Bank or Pusher engine for extra support for big hills. Dapper, Kan, and Kosmo all ran a train with three different locomotives distributed throughout the train, so I think tacking a Heisler on the top of the train shouldn't be an issue. Just release the brakes on the main loco, and send the Heisler back down the hill afterwards to park on a spur.
@@pyromaniacal13 Ya, but none of them were slow. I'm just curious if you can force a slow engine to go above its regular max speed by using another, faster engine.
Would be worthwhile knowing. If it was possible, I'd do it with the Climax, as it looks lighter than the Heisler (and your fast loco will have to pull your strong loco, which will be dead weight above it's max speed). It sounds like the Climax is slower than the Heisler, but that shouldn't be a problem, as long as your fast engine has enough power to pull it.
@@Nevir202 if I push you faster than you can run, you would fall over. Push a train faster than designed you would over stress pistons connecting rods and other components
Won’t save you too much time but you could only brake the cars on the ends of the shunt line so even if the cars got disconnected they should stay in place
Maybe you can make some money for when you will make this a public server to buy a lot of Betsy's for the people. Or if you wanna spice up the experience, you can buy a bunch of different trains for each task.
as someone who bought a class 70, the thing is insane, it pulls 21 loaded carts up a 5 degree incline with ease, honestly wouldn't be surprised if it can pull 30+ cart up that incline
@@matthewthaemert3282 I wouldn't recommend personally. The Eureka's lack of acceleration would just make it dead weight, even on long straights. The Class 70 is also reasonably quick and outruns the player by a fair margin. You could run a Eureka if that was your only other train, but its not necessarily worth it. plus, more fuel and water is used, and since the Class 70 holds 6k, it could be quite awkward to use. Great Suggestion though!
If only it was the real big boy locomotive lol wouldn't be struggling very much. For those that don't know, union pacific had built the steam locomotive called the big boy. It is huge and built to haul freight over the mountains. Speed was around 80 mph. One of my favorites. Dwarfs the last hope.
Perhaps consider an unmanned gravity-run from the iron-mine to the smelter. Where the ore-carts just need a nudge, a disco, and a bit of handbrake. (test-run would need to be manned, ofc, to determine maximum handbrake that'll clear the route). Yes, I know it's more the sort of thing Dapper would do (since it'd literally be a roller-coaster), but it would save time. Where you'd just need to drop a porter with a few cars of cordwood to retrieve the ore-carts and bring them back up to the sawmill. A similar direct-route (one-way) could be made from coal-mine to ironworks, just need to push it clear and switchback the locomotive at the ridge so it remains on the uphill-side. From there the Mogul could handle the carts on the flatlands and one or two of the lesser engines could be dedicated sawmill-runners and a shuntman to retrieve and unload carts at the smelter.
9:40 a little bit past the actual thing that you use to switch the track is that actual track that gets moved to switch the track and the back of that iron car was on it. where the rails cross is where they switch and if your passed that your good(i hope this helps)
Maybe you can use the quick engines for transport on shallow land and have a geared engones at steep hills to take trains up and, depending on the setup, down as well.
Loving your Railroads Online videos. Signs sound like a good update idea. Signs like slow for corner or signs indicating which lane is a pass-through on a shunt yard.
I think the best solution for the smelter is to have a shunt yard full of cars for a Betsy to load partial length sections then connect filled cars to the max pulling weight of the Heisler so all the Heisler operator needs to do is to connect to the full length of cars and pull it up to where they need to go. Ideas for faster transport: -For the wood products to iron mine you can do the route that Kos did to make it a shallow climb for faster but less powerful trains as they will have no problem going down hill with the empty cars after, just need to make sure they can make it back up the 3% slope. Could also make it a direct route from the saw mill to the iron mine without interfering too much with other tracks by crossing right at the mill then have it as its own line or to load the wood products you go to the left side of the water then slope up to have a bridge and eventually cross over the main track down, this can make it so the 'y' on the hill isn't necessary but you'll need to make a second rail line down to the smelter. -Have the Heislers run from the smelter to top of the hill where you could have a shunt yard to drop of leaving goods for faster trains to transport over to the depot or manufacturing facility and pick up empty cars to bring back down
I think it would be cool if you made the loop around the other side of the valley from the sawmill, kind of like cosmo. If you made the grade shallower, you could use that side for going up, then the track you already have for going down to the smelter. That way the 6% grade is all downhill. Just a thought.
Hey Kan I thought of this right now I think this could work so you could be doing iron while someone delivers cord wood if you make the cord wood line a turn like the raw iron line then connect the cord wood line where ever the cord wood line lines up with
If you have trouble at stations with long trains, you can create landmarks at points where to stop to load the wagons. I use a short piece of track next to the line for that.
Coming out of the freight depot, should consider triple track to a double side by side, so there's extra room and easier to pass one another, if multi-player is the over all goal, more ways in and out of a high traffic area wouldn't be a bad idea
Already have enough engines and trackage for a multiplayer. One player using the mogul to run logs to the mill and cordwood to the smelter, another making the iron mine run with the Heisler. Build an interchange yard at the sawmill and add more flatcars and one player can load a train at the mill with beams and planks for the mine and the player on the iron mine run can haul the loaded cars up with the hoppers and swap out the empties. Could also make a transfer yard at the smelter and exchange out empty and full trains for the iron. Might could dedicate a Betsy to the task other than needing to build additional water towers and firewood depots. But multiplayer with dedicated tasks is achievable with your maps now. Getting a line up to the coal mine and ironworks will expand it even more. I wouldn’t want a consolation on your track work though as many sharp bends, I’d either buy a Climax or another Heisler.
I think it would be amazing if the devs added an advanced game mode where you start with the same things but you have to maintain your locomotives and cars based off of the way you use them, brake shoes especially, but having to lubricate everything and such would be a good idea in my opinion
Some things that could be added to the 3rd person control UI to ease confusion; -Electrical /lights symbol near the word 'generator' -Compressor with an air compressor symbol and brake marking -Sand level quick reference so you don't take off empty on accident -HP / TQ type tortoise and hair markings on the reverser slider -Colored dummy light (bold brake symbol on) for locks/brakes not being released, because stopped mid grade due to dragging a soggy daiper in populated server traffic is embarrassing Some side tab items -Quick reference page /right click type system to quickly refresh on what does what -Consumption rate tables to calculate endurance [similar to how planes have gph rates] -Load tables so you don't lose product overloading the cars In the future, maps could have a heatmap of grades and horizontal friction zones to better optimize your routing. Distance markers were also a good idea to help long trains loading. Another thing could be a signal code reference guide and adding advanced sign placements. Late model builds that go 100mph and have 100 cars behind them appreciate this. Also... there needs to be a meme Betsy [Thomas the Heresy Engine] added to the game after they nerf the normal one to realistic [horrible consumption rates, but it will unstick everything]; this is definitely part of my forklift strapped to a flatbed build.
I often see trains from the Whyalla Steel Works pass through Adelaide and they only carry single layers of the thick raw beams. From a distance the cars look empty but it's not the height, it's the weight.
If you have more load on hiesler it can go to like 70% reg with 20 cars of these or 12 or 15 of oil i have seen it Edit - hiesler can make a 10% hill with 15 or 20 cars 12 in oil maybe more
If you click on your cars after you load one piece it will show you how many total you can load of that given item on that car. The iron was showing 3/3 at the top left
When i fill the smelter with corewood i also have 6 wagons, but i keep the betsy on it, and i first drive head first into the siding, drive around the building, then back into it with the other 3, i find it easier and with less work
a very smart idea for a fast powerful train, will require 2 people for easy use. With the gear train on the front because of the torque, then put the Eureka right behind the Heisler and leave the Eureka on full reg full reverser for extra power and speed.
You should have gear and pulling trains at hills and places where it's needed to add to a train but then run the faster trains for the flat and easy sections. It would be so cool if they implemented the thing that's used irl where you use cars or another train on a parallel track and they're attached via pulley with one going up and one down
Not sure about overseas, but in Australia we would never put all handbrakes on an empty rake of wagons, especially on a flat grade in a yard. With those small rakes I'd imagine minimum of 3 would be sufficient and save you some walking/time.
Many switch tracks could be shunted by the train theme selfs running into them forcing the track to swap sides if you come from the spilt side but in game just bumps you off
as VestedUTuber mentioned, it shouldn't have derailed at that point. I maintain that the devs should fix the switches to allow running backwards through them (opposite direction) or just plainly not derail either way... When that car derailed it was sent right off the tracks, not the way the switch was set, but the opposite way, so there is clearly something borken.
@@RobiBue I mean, it is realistic for a train to derail at the points if they aren't set properly, but that's the thing - at the points, not the lead-in to the switch. Spring-loaded points are mainly only seen on smaller gauges, particularly 15" minimal gauge and below. On larger gauges there's just not enough spring to keep them in place.
I think it would make most sense to use the geared engines for the steeper bits, and switch it off for a class 70 when you reach flatter sections as that would likely reach higher speeds
if you changed your wood plank/beam trains that go to the iron mine to carry 30 of each (5 planks, 10 beams, I think the Heisler could pull that, and staggered to not waste any during unloading) then after 2 deliveries of wood (60) bring back a 6 car iron ore train (60) to the smelter. also a balanced iron beam/rail load could be 13 cars, 3 x rails (30), and 10 x bars (30). then only 2 trains of 13 plank cars to remove the finished products so with only slight adjustments to your current trains the ratios would be wood to mine : iron to smelter : smelter to depot 2 : 1 : 2
Look at the interface when you are in position to unload the car. It'll tell you what the capacity is for that type of good. This also works on partial loads while you're still filling it up.
The thing is ahoving longs into the train fuel store carrying a few logs at a time is how they did it normally. With coal trains they just dump it in with bucket cranes. But logs well their long so for max stroage you have to stacl them by hand in a orderly fashion.
Maybe make the shuntyard for the iron carts at the Y and hook it on when taking wood up to the mine. Then take the whole thing back down to the smelter, leaving the ironcarts behind again when passing the y
Why not just attach Betsy to the end of the train or just behind the main engine. Use two engines to pull one big train. Idk if weight has been an issue haven’t watched the full video but I feel like that should be an option.
It does tell you how much each car holds in the upper left hand corner. Look at 23:42. You might have to load at least one of that type for it to show.
I feel like it would be smart to build a shunt yard at each building to store the relevant cars, plus you could use a shunt yard at the saw mill to store filled cars; have trains bringing in stuff from all over the map and dropping them off there, and have someone whose job is just to run a Betsy bringing the cars from there to the freight depot
There is a good way to know how much of anything you can put on each car, just add a little bit or one of something and look at the car stats. That should tell you how much you could load onto your cars
Pretty sure some of the brakes on the cars were still on since when kan went to take them off, they weren't all turning the same way...it'd be nice to have a little indicator on the HUD to show when brakes are on, like a red brake symbol in the top right corner, it won't get in the way either sine the only time it shows would be stationary.
With the current system you have going on with the Freight Depot, it would be ideal for your railway to run left-handed, which means you go forward on the left-hand side of the track. Also, after get the Coal Mine next, you have two choices to get to the oil area: The Easy, yet Slow Way: Continue the line from the Freight Depot to go though the flat spot. The Hard, yet Fast Way: Weave your track through a break in the mountains to extend it from the Coal Mine instead.
Heres an idea, you remember hiw Dapper had a giant bridge going around the mountain to get to the iron mine? What if you were to do that but keep the hill 6% track so it would be one giant loop? It would witch off closer to the lumber mill and go around the mountain at a reletively low grade then you can go down the 6% side of the track almost straight to the smelter
What happens if you let the iron beams fill up and keep delivering raw iron? Does it continue making 1 and 1 and the beams are just wasted, or does all the iron just produce rails? Because if so, that would be the best thing to do for making money.
I gotta say.. this episode.. I'm up to date with your RO vids, but watching back and re watching you, dapper, clown and other RO streams....... the Pine Valley Log Co. !!!!! I am from Ontario Canada. I grew up in Pine Valley. my grandfather had a hobby saw mill. I know nothing about trains,, whooot whooot! but the track laying, growing a company.. the game world, in a fun way and great tunes too.. i now own Railroads Online cheers and maybe see you on the rails
They could add fire wood loader that you can hook up to your train to load wood fast and to balance things so its not to op could add a stream engine were it needs a little water and wood to keep it running and maybe loads 25 fire wood
When you look at the switch it shows the track your switching highlighted if anything is on it at the time like that last car was it derails it nothing on that section of track before switching.
climax is slower then heisler but both engines are slower then player sprinting speed also you can look at the cars when you load up one item in them to see the max amount it holds of the item on the car
The car that fell off was still on the part of track on the switch that switches the track direction so when you switched it the car was still on it and it collided with the changing track.
Ya Kan the standered locomotives are use on 4-2 persecent and the way that a line irl would be build is that is stedly increasing on those persecents usely from what i hear the path around the waterfall in game is a good way of dealing with it but if is become a problem with the grade the alternative would be to loop the line in question over itself kinda like the georgetown loop. Also i can see you makeing a yard that can act as a meeting point for the geared locmtives and the standered locomotives so it be easyer to trade the needed goods and make a long train the do not need to be pulled by a geared locomotive.
They should make a split the when driving from the way the combine. The train goes straight but when the train is coming from ether split it can go through It would make it so you do not have to switch as much and help make loops
You really should only use the geared loco for any climbing duties. On flat level ground to mild climbing, all the other locos will be able to pull just as much if not more and do it faster. They're build to tackle high grantent rails, not really do flats. Also yes as others are saying, you should be using a smaller locomotive like Betsy just for shunting and sorting out trains, ie, getting cars ready to be hiched up to a locomotive so when its all coupled up, they can pull out ASAP
i would recommend holding off on buying the climax right now, only cause it seems to have more bug issues than the heisler. another hint for ya, once you put one item on a car, if you look at it like you're gonna unload it, it will tell you how much it can hold. the heisler has been my favorite engine so far, but i can't wait to get the class 70 and do a long coal train ( even if it's just a one time run). been really enjoying the videos! keep improving your rail and watch out for those yeet glitches!
If the reverser functions similarly to real life trains what happens is that by reducing the reverser you give less time for the steam to go into the piston meaning less power but the less steam used means better efficiency so after you got up to speed you can reduce the reverser instead of the regulator. As for the compressor you only need it when you are stopping so you have no use for it while at cruising speed meaning more efficiency that could be saved. As for regulator this controls how easily the steam can flow from boiler to piston and the more easily it does the more compressed it will be allowing you to use less of volume and time lowering need for reverser which in turn improves efficiency.
Should let the raw iron just build up till it's full and run rails to the freight depot. Make a bunch of money and then you have raw iron you can take up to the iron works when your make a line out that way.
Instead of a huge effort of double tracking, why not put in sidings for a train to wait in while another train passes. That's how real life trains operate.
Wonder if they are gonna add a 2-truck and 3 truck Shay....... The Geared Locomotives like the Heisler, Shay and Climax usually did 6% grades all day, they were made for that since logging lines had very poor track and had to follow the land the best it could. They didn't win any land speed contests, but they could pull a shitload of heavy cars.
The class 70 can haul over 20 loaded cars (we haven't tested iron ore or coal with this long a consist, and we're not in the southern part of the map yet) I hauled a 30 car consist up to the iron mine loaded with processed wood yesterday and it made it up without many problems (going slow since we haven't fully clear the tracks after the tree update) also, the Heisler (and Climax to a lesser degree) will just jump switches of it's not set in your favor, the cars still won't, but at least the engine will be fine. The class 70 also has slightly more tractive effort IIRC, can't remember exactly how much off the top of my head
At 9:36 the iron car was just on the edge of the track before you flicked it, then the train car popped up(I don’t know why, your Olympic high jumper has superhuman strength)shifted to the side and derailed.
I haven’t played this game nor do I know how detailed it is but normally can’t you back down the reverser in other games and add a little more regulator to increase the top speed. It’s at least that way in Train Simulator which is what I play the most.
Don't want to get your hopes down sir but At 9 55 it's your fault Irl a wagons should always have to completely clear the switch. After that switch will be able to be in use again
When you checked the weight, I noticed in the top left corner at 23:42 that it said 3/3. So you might be able to load one item on the car and check how many it can fit before loading more?
With locomotive with tenders like the cookie the Eureka and the hesler you need to dump the whole water tower into them to fill them up all the way cuz the 5000 water is what is in the boiler so with the tender full you can have 20000-30000 water
Betsy can still be used for shunting duties at the freight depot even if she can't work on the main line. Every depot needs a pilot engine Betsy can also be a rescue engine too
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@@joeigmz8564 or maybe preserve betsy as a musem piece?
Hesiler at the back pushing and the glass 70 and or the eurka at the front pulling! yaya
Geared Steam locomotives are slow but very powerful in real life and apparently that translates to this game
Don't worry about the creases in the track. They'll Iron out.
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Seeing trains carrying aluminium ingots regularly passing next to my home, i can tell you the devs are generous to allow three iron beams stacks on a single car. When the aluminium trains go by, and mind you these have modern full-sized cars with two 220 tons engines in front and two in the middle, the train looks positively funny as the cars look empty with two ingots in front of another and only two high with an insane amount of straps to hold them in place. You have to remember that a full ingot is absolutely massive: lets say every beam in the car is 10x30 cm for 5m long, that is a 1181 Kg piece, and the car carries 15 of these, meaning over 17 tons of iron!
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I live in a farming town so we get freight trains running hopper cars, milk tanks, steel, machinery and oil all the time. These devs are being super generous with amounts because irl that fully loaded train kAN brought would probably have violated tons of OSHA crap. The devs are also stingy with prices cause a single pallet of iron ingots would cost well into the 500 buck range.
Just use tank
@@armadussteel2489 remember this game is set in the 1800s to early 1900s so the prices are set for that time period and the amount of cargo is based on the time period which had much less regulation hence why train derailment was much more common back then.
@@azurepony9972 never mentioned derailment but if the devs wanted to be more "accurate" the train would have had one pallet per car and more then likely each pallet would have been sold for 50 bucks each. Still 600 bucks in game but more grinding.
You should park the gear engine over near the steep sections, then use less powerful but faster engines to bring stuff across the flatter sections. That way u don't have to deal with the slow speed of the gears, and you can just switch the engine when you get to the steep section
Wouldn't even need to switch engines I don't think, just hook the gear engine in ahead of the faster engine and I am pretty sure it would drag the cold engine up the hill just fine lol.
@@Nevir202 true, didn't even think of that
This is a real-world railroad practice, it's called banking.
@@Nevir202 Yeah, but it would contribute a ton to the weight that the faster engine would have to pull.
@@pugz3230 just connect it at the hill
17:32 its funny how ingrained "up on two wheels is" when talking about cars nearly rolling over.
Since that engine has 8 wheels, it was actually "up on four wheels" lol
@@frankyanish4833 Good point. Sounds even weirder, but it's accurate and doesn't require modification of the expression from train to train.
I calculated it, you are actually just about under the weight limit of the cars even just with 3 batches of the bars.
I approximated from the cart length, width and using a list of available cold-rolled steel beams that the biggest size you can buy is 6000x150x80mm (~236x6x3.15in), which has 94.2kg/m (~62.1lb/ft). Since each beam is 6m (~236in) long and there are 5 beams in each batch, the weight of each batch is roughly 2826kg (~6230lb). Since the cars weight limit is 20000lb, which is roughly 9072kg, 3 batches, weighing around 8478kg (~18690.8lb), are just below the limit. 4 batches would be 11304kg (~24 921.1lb), which is way over.
It would be possible to maybe take 4 batches or even go all the way up to 5 (14130kg~31 151.3lb), since the safety coefficient of most devices is in the range from 1.5 to 2 (safety coefficient is applied to straining limits of products, where the failing load is divided by this coefficient to calculate the "safe loading limit"), however, if the train car is old, malfunctioning or damaged, that could overstrain it.
What am I reading again? This is very confusing but also kind of understanding
@@zhangzhuoran1838 It is called math and material science, with a sprinkle of engineering..
The real money isn't selling at the freight depot. Compounding the income by selling to the next industry is where it's at. The Climax is a mini beast, but it makes the Heisler feel like a rocket ship.
The real money is the friends we made along the way
it's not about the money spidahman
This is what im waiting for. I get so excited if Kan Uploads a new railroads online video. Keep up the good work man...
When loading rails, you could jus look at the wagon and it shows how much of units it holds
Hey Kan. If you want to put your Betsy to good use consider this:
Make a 18-car train for the Heisler, and have the Betsy between the first 9 cars and the last 9 cars.
The Heisler should be able to pull 18-ish cars and the dead weight of Betsy, at least on 3% grades (since it barely fails on 6% with 12 cars).
If you split the train in front of Betsy, that will give you two 9-car trains, which should be easy enough to load/unload. You just have to remember to fuel Betsy's fire first thing once you reach a station. Betsy should build enough pressure in the time it takes you to load the first 9 cars using the Heisler. Then you can immediately load Betsy's half and re-attach it to the Heisler's back, and you're ready to go to your next stop.
I've pulled 15 loaded lumber cars with 5 empty hoppers up a steady 3% to the iron mine with the Heisler, it's a beast. (I bet it could do more, the links will probably fail before it does.)
EDIT: If you hover at the unload point of a car after placing the first item you want to load it will tell you the max number of items for a full car to prevent wasting material.
I just pulled 12 cars loaded with beams up a constant 5% grade with ease using the Heisler. It didn't even feel it. My end goal is to be able to run my coal cars over that line in groups of 20 cars. I think it'll do it but I have to buy more ore cars still. It is indeed a beast.
put your loco in the middle of the train, then the links only experience only half the stress ;)
its a beast, done 39 cars up 3% c70 couldn't, heisler all the way
I think it'd be fine if the devs added automated train car loading as a toggle option, and how it'd work is that each time it operates automatically it costs some amount of money, like $1 or $2 or something, maybe a little more for higher materials.
I'm curious how the physics works, if you hooked a fast engine up along with a gear engine, could you use the gear to drag the train around steep parts and actually drag the geared engine faster than its normal travel speed with the quicker engine?
If the physics worked out, you could use the Heisler as a Bank or Pusher engine for extra support for big hills. Dapper, Kan, and Kosmo all ran a train with three different locomotives distributed throughout the train, so I think tacking a Heisler on the top of the train shouldn't be an issue. Just release the brakes on the main loco, and send the Heisler back down the hill afterwards to park on a spur.
@@pyromaniacal13 Ya, but none of them were slow. I'm just curious if you can force a slow engine to go above its regular max speed by using another, faster engine.
Would be worthwhile knowing.
If it was possible, I'd do it with the Climax, as it looks lighter than the Heisler (and your fast loco will have to pull your strong loco, which will be dead weight above it's max speed). It sounds like the Climax is slower than the Heisler, but that shouldn't be a problem, as long as your fast engine has enough power to pull it.
If you keep one engine at 0% break, then drive the other one, it should work.
@@Nevir202 if I push you faster than you can run, you would fall over. Push a train faster than designed you would over stress pistons connecting rods and other components
The fact you let the heisler coast down the hill so fast makes the video exiting
You can just stand next to the wood and throw it, you don't have to run from firewood depot to the engine just throw it.
For future reference, you can check the car after one piece of material is loaded and it will tell you one out of the maximum amount the car holds.
Won’t save you too much time but you could only brake the cars on the ends of the shunt line so even if the cars got disconnected they should stay in place
Maybe you can make some money for when you will make this a public server to buy a lot of Betsy's for the people. Or if you wanna spice up the experience, you can buy a bunch of different trains for each task.
I want to see the next train that solves some problem be named "The Solver" or "The Solution" or maybe "Resolution"
The Final Solution
@@DrRussian Or maybe The Final Resolver or The Final Resolution.
as someone who bought a class 70, the thing is insane, it pulls 21 loaded carts up a 5 degree incline with ease, honestly wouldn't be surprised if it can pull 30+ cart up that incline
Class 70 plus eureka for long flat lines, would that be feasible?
@@matthewthaemert3282 I wouldn't recommend personally. The Eureka's lack of acceleration would just make it dead weight, even on long straights. The Class 70 is also reasonably quick and outruns the player by a fair margin. You could run a Eureka if that was your only other train, but its not necessarily worth it. plus, more fuel and water is used, and since the Class 70 holds 6k, it could be quite awkward to use. Great Suggestion though!
If only it was the real big boy locomotive lol wouldn't be struggling very much. For those that don't know, union pacific had built the steam locomotive called the big boy. It is huge and built to haul freight over the mountains. Speed was around 80 mph. One of my favorites. Dwarfs the last hope.
Perhaps consider an unmanned gravity-run from the iron-mine to the smelter. Where the ore-carts just need a nudge, a disco, and a bit of handbrake. (test-run would need to be manned, ofc, to determine maximum handbrake that'll clear the route). Yes, I know it's more the sort of thing Dapper would do (since it'd literally be a roller-coaster), but it would save time. Where you'd just need to drop a porter with a few cars of cordwood to retrieve the ore-carts and bring them back up to the sawmill.
A similar direct-route (one-way) could be made from coal-mine to ironworks, just need to push it clear and switchback the locomotive at the ridge so it remains on the uphill-side. From there the Mogul could handle the carts on the flatlands and one or two of the lesser engines could be dedicated sawmill-runners and a shuntman to retrieve and unload carts at the smelter.
9:40 a little bit past the actual thing that you use to switch the track is that actual track that gets moved to switch the track and the back of that iron car was on it. where the rails cross is where they switch and if your passed that your good(i hope this helps)
The last car's rear truck hadn't left the closure rails (gone past the frog).
Maybe you can use the quick engines for transport on shallow land and have a geared engones at steep hills to take trains up and, depending on the setup, down as well.
Loving your Railroads Online videos. Signs sound like a good update idea. Signs like slow for corner or signs indicating which lane is a pass-through on a shunt yard.
I think the best solution for the smelter is to have a shunt yard full of cars for a Betsy to load partial length sections then connect filled cars to the max pulling weight of the Heisler so all the Heisler operator needs to do is to connect to the full length of cars and pull it up to where they need to go.
Ideas for faster transport:
-For the wood products to iron mine you can do the route that Kos did to make it a shallow climb for faster but less powerful trains as they will have no problem going down hill with the empty cars after, just need to make sure they can make it back up the 3% slope. Could also make it a direct route from the saw mill to the iron mine without interfering too much with other tracks by crossing right at the mill then have it as its own line or to load the wood products you go to the left side of the water then slope up to have a bridge and eventually cross over the main track down, this can make it so the 'y' on the hill isn't necessary but you'll need to make a second rail line down to the smelter.
-Have the Heislers run from the smelter to top of the hill where you could have a shunt yard to drop of leaving goods for faster trains to transport over to the depot or manufacturing facility and pick up empty cars to bring back down
I think it would be cool if you made the loop around the other side of the valley from the sawmill, kind of like cosmo. If you made the grade shallower, you could use that side for going up, then the track you already have for going down to the smelter. That way the 6% grade is all downhill. Just a thought.
Hey Kan I thought of this right now I think this could work so you could be doing iron while someone delivers cord wood if you make the cord wood line a turn like the raw iron line then connect the cord wood line where ever the cord wood line lines up with
If you have trouble at stations with long trains, you can create landmarks at points where to stop to load the wagons. I use a short piece of track next to the line for that.
Coming out of the freight depot, should consider triple track to a double side by side, so there's extra room and easier to pass one another, if multi-player is the over all goal, more ways in and out of a high traffic area wouldn't be a bad idea
Already have enough engines and trackage for a multiplayer. One player using the mogul to run logs to the mill and cordwood to the smelter, another making the iron mine run with the Heisler. Build an interchange yard at the sawmill and add more flatcars and one player can load a train at the mill with beams and planks for the mine and the player on the iron mine run can haul the loaded cars up with the hoppers and swap out the empties. Could also make a transfer yard at the smelter and exchange out empty and full trains for the iron. Might could dedicate a Betsy to the task other than needing to build additional water towers and firewood depots. But multiplayer with dedicated tasks is achievable with your maps now. Getting a line up to the coal mine and ironworks will expand it even more. I wouldn’t want a consolation on your track work though as many sharp bends, I’d either buy a Climax or another Heisler.
Kan. Kubbo carried 4 raw iron cars and 16 lumber and the Hiesler didn't bog at all. But he did get the slip glitch at 20 reg.
I think it would be amazing if the devs added an advanced game mode where you start with the same things but you have to maintain your locomotives and cars based off of the way you use them, brake shoes especially, but having to lubricate everything and such would be a good idea in my opinion
Some things that could be added to the 3rd person control UI to ease confusion;
-Electrical /lights symbol near the word 'generator'
-Compressor with an air compressor symbol and brake marking
-Sand level quick reference so you don't take off empty on accident
-HP / TQ type tortoise and hair markings on the reverser slider
-Colored dummy light (bold brake symbol on) for locks/brakes not being released, because stopped mid grade due to dragging a soggy daiper in populated server traffic is embarrassing
Some side tab items
-Quick reference page /right click type system to quickly refresh on what does what
-Consumption rate tables to calculate endurance [similar to how planes have gph rates]
-Load tables so you don't lose product overloading the cars
In the future, maps could have a heatmap of grades and horizontal friction zones to better optimize your routing. Distance markers were also a good idea to help long trains loading. Another thing could be a signal code reference guide and adding advanced sign placements. Late model builds that go 100mph and have 100 cars behind them appreciate this. Also... there needs to be a meme Betsy [Thomas the Heresy Engine] added to the game after they nerf the normal one to realistic [horrible consumption rates, but it will unstick everything]; this is definitely part of my forklift strapped to a flatbed build.
I often see trains from the Whyalla Steel Works pass through Adelaide and they only carry single layers of the thick raw beams. From a distance the cars look empty but it's not the height, it's the weight.
If you have more load on hiesler it can go to like 70% reg with 20 cars of these or 12 or 15 of oil i have seen it
Edit - hiesler can make a 10% hill with 15 or 20 cars 12 in oil maybe more
If you go over 60% reg the wheels break and get no grip and just spin super fast
H E I S L E R. Not hiesler Jesus!
Oops
If you click on your cars after you load one piece it will show you how many total you can load of that given item on that car. The iron was showing 3/3 at the top left
When i fill the smelter with corewood i also have 6 wagons, but i keep the betsy on it, and i first drive head first into the siding, drive around the building, then back into it with the other 3, i find it easier and with less work
a very smart idea for a fast powerful train, will require 2 people for easy use. With the gear train on the front because of the torque, then put the Eureka right behind the Heisler and leave the Eureka on full reg full reverser for extra power and speed.
You should have gear and pulling trains at hills and places where it's needed to add to a train but then run the faster trains for the flat and easy sections. It would be so cool if they implemented the thing that's used irl where you use cars or another train on a parallel track and they're attached via pulley with one going up and one down
Not sure about overseas, but in Australia we would never put all handbrakes on an empty rake of wagons, especially on a flat grade in a yard. With those small rakes I'd imagine minimum of 3 would be sufficient and save you some walking/time.
Around 9:35 you can tell the train was still on the track you moved... Patience is key.
It was on the switch track section but it was well past the actual points, so realistically it still shouldn't have derailed.
Many switch tracks could be shunted by the train theme selfs running into them forcing the track to swap sides if you come from the spilt side but in game just bumps you off
as VestedUTuber mentioned, it shouldn't have derailed at that point. I maintain that the devs should fix the switches to allow running backwards through them (opposite direction) or just plainly not derail either way...
When that car derailed it was sent right off the tracks, not the way the switch was set, but the opposite way, so there is clearly something borken.
@@RobiBue I mean, it is realistic for a train to derail at the points if they aren't set properly, but that's the thing - at the points, not the lead-in to the switch.
Spring-loaded points are mainly only seen on smaller gauges, particularly 15" minimal gauge and below. On larger gauges there's just not enough spring to keep them in place.
I think it would make most sense to use the geared engines for the steeper bits, and switch it off for a class 70 when you reach flatter sections as that would likely reach higher speeds
I think the next video should be all about ironing-out your existing rail network.
if you changed your wood plank/beam trains that go to the iron mine to carry 30 of each (5 planks, 10 beams, I think the Heisler could pull that, and staggered to not waste any during unloading) then after 2 deliveries of wood (60) bring back a 6 car iron ore train (60) to the smelter.
also a balanced iron beam/rail load could be 13 cars, 3 x rails (30), and 10 x bars (30).
then only 2 trains of 13 plank cars to remove the finished products
so with only slight adjustments to your current trains the ratios would be
wood to mine : iron to smelter : smelter to depot
2 : 1 : 2
Just want to say I look forward to seeing this series whenever I turn on UA-cam. Keep up with the great content. So happy you are a UA-camr. Ty Kan
Look at the interface when you are in position to unload the car. It'll tell you what the capacity is for that type of good. This also works on partial loads while you're still filling it up.
I like how they removed the cost of logging. Going broke from removing trees while laying track was really annoying.
The devs should make it where if you’re train car is full, it puts it back in the storage pile.
The thing is ahoving longs into the train fuel store carrying a few logs at a time is how they did it normally. With coal trains they just dump it in with bucket cranes. But logs well their long so for max stroage you have to stacl them by hand in a orderly fashion.
Maybe make the shuntyard for the iron carts at the Y and hook it on when taking wood up to the mine. Then take the whole thing back down to the smelter, leaving the ironcarts behind again when passing the y
I love this!~
Yeah, probably get a loop at the Iron mine. And maybe get 2 or 3 main lines set for multiple trains.
Why not just attach Betsy to the end of the train or just behind the main engine. Use two engines to pull one big train. Idk if weight has been an issue haven’t watched the full video but I feel like that should be an option.
The load/unload UI shows the wagon capacity for the current material.
I feel like I'm in heaven when you poat Railroads online :)
It does tell you how much each car holds in the upper left hand corner. Look at 23:42. You might have to load at least one of that type for it to show.
I feel like it would be smart to build a shunt yard at each building to store the relevant cars, plus you could use a shunt yard at the saw mill to store filled cars; have trains bringing in stuff from all over the map and dropping them off there, and have someone whose job is just to run a Betsy bringing the cars from there to the freight depot
There is a good way to know how much of anything you can put on each car, just add a little bit or one of something and look at the car stats. That should tell you how much you could load onto your cars
Can you make a crossover track in the next video? For multiplayer, of course.
Pretty sure some of the brakes on the cars were still on since when kan went to take them off, they weren't all turning the same way...it'd be nice to have a little indicator on the HUD to show when brakes are on, like a red brake symbol in the top right corner, it won't get in the way either sine the only time it shows would be stationary.
Need to up your rails around Lumber mill, Smelter and line from the pass to Iron ore.
With the current system you have going on with the Freight Depot, it would be ideal for your railway to run left-handed, which means you go forward on the left-hand side of the track.
Also, after get the Coal Mine next, you have two choices to get to the oil area:
The Easy, yet Slow Way: Continue the line from the Freight Depot to go though the flat spot.
The Hard, yet Fast Way: Weave your track through a break in the mountains to extend it from the Coal Mine instead.
Heres an idea, you remember hiw Dapper had a giant bridge going around the mountain to get to the iron mine? What if you were to do that but keep the hill 6% track so it would be one giant loop? It would witch off closer to the lumber mill and go around the mountain at a reletively low grade then you can go down the 6% side of the track almost straight to the smelter
I have a feeling that railroads online is going to eventually be on VR.
I hope so. It'll give me a reason to dust of my Vive.
Bro yes
Imagine If your going down a hill and de-rail and are just falling down the hill in the train
What happens if you let the iron beams fill up and keep delivering raw iron? Does it continue making 1 and 1 and the beams are just wasted, or does all the iron just produce rails? Because if so, that would be the best thing to do for making money.
I think it just stops producing all together until you remove the full resource
If it works how I think then it would probably just stop
@@christopherharsch4352 Ah, that's better than wasting resources, but a pity.
I gotta say.. this episode.. I'm up to date with your RO vids, but watching back and re watching you, dapper, clown and other RO streams....... the Pine Valley Log Co. !!!!! I am from Ontario Canada. I grew up in Pine Valley. my grandfather had a hobby saw mill. I know nothing about trains,, whooot whooot! but the track laying, growing a company.. the game world, in a fun way and great tunes too.. i now own Railroads Online cheers and maybe see you on the rails
They could add fire wood loader that you can hook up to your train to load wood fast and to balance things so its not to op could add a stream engine were it needs a little water and wood to keep it running and maybe loads 25 fire wood
looking at the track at about 09:40 i think you still had the rear bogey on the switch off piece
Kan You're gonna love the D&RG Class 70.
When you look at the switch it shows the track your switching highlighted if anything is on it at the time like that last car was it derails it nothing on that section of track before switching.
Loving this series!
climax is slower then heisler but both engines are slower then player sprinting speed also you can look at the cars when you load up one item in them to see the max amount it holds of the item on the car
The class 70 is a beast we do up to 4% with 17 cars (2 hoppers 15 plank). I would definitely recommend getting it.
The car that fell off was still on the part of track on the switch that switches the track direction so when you switched it the car was still on it and it collided with the changing track.
Ya Kan the standered locomotives are use on 4-2 persecent and the way that a line irl would be build is that is stedly increasing on those persecents usely from what i hear the path around the waterfall in game is a good way of dealing with it but if is become a problem with the grade the alternative would be to loop the line in question over itself kinda like the georgetown loop. Also i can see you makeing a yard that can act as a meeting point for the geared locmtives and the standered locomotives so it be easyer to trade the needed goods and make a long train the do not need to be pulled by a geared locomotive.
They should make a split the when driving from the way the combine. The train goes straight but when the train is coming from ether split it can go through
It would make it so you do not have to switch as much and help make loops
the mogul works pretty well so long as you keep the grades below 4%. if you can do that the mogul can pull quite a bit of weight.
The Class 70 is Ultimate Performer, It can haul HUGE Loads up hills at almost its Full Speed with barely any problems, its also CRAZY fast
You really should only use the geared loco for any climbing duties. On flat level ground to mild climbing, all the other locos will be able to pull just as much if not more and do it faster. They're build to tackle high grantent rails, not really do flats.
Also yes as others are saying, you should be using a smaller locomotive like Betsy just for shunting and sorting out trains, ie, getting cars ready to be hiched up to a locomotive so when its all coupled up, they can pull out ASAP
i would recommend holding off on buying the climax right now, only cause it seems to have more bug issues than the heisler. another hint for ya, once you put one item on a car, if you look at it like you're gonna unload it, it will tell you how much it can hold. the heisler has been my favorite engine so far, but i can't wait to get the class 70 and do a long coal train ( even if it's just a one time run). been really enjoying the videos! keep improving your rail and watch out for those yeet glitches!
9:47 the wheels where still on the switch (the bit of track that moves)
Can't wait to see the iron though track and you could do the same for the smelter so at the top of the valley you can go left or right
If the reverser functions similarly to real life trains what happens is that by reducing the reverser you give less time for the steam to go into the piston meaning less power but the less steam used means better efficiency so after you got up to speed you can reduce the reverser instead of the regulator. As for the compressor you only need it when you are stopping so you have no use for it while at cruising speed meaning more efficiency that could be saved. As for regulator this controls how easily the steam can flow from boiler to piston and the more easily it does the more compressed it will be allowing you to use less of volume and time lowering need for reverser which in turn improves efficiency.
the regulator and reverser dont work like real life. Its very arcade atm.
Should let the raw iron just build up till it's full and run rails to the freight depot. Make a bunch of money and then you have raw iron you can take up to the iron works when your make a line out that way.
I wonder if Betsy behind the last hope would help give it the speed along with the pull power
Instead of a huge effort of double tracking, why not put in sidings for a train to wait in while another train passes. That's how real life trains operate.
Wonder if they are gonna add a 2-truck and 3 truck Shay.......
The Geared Locomotives like the Heisler, Shay and Climax usually did 6% grades all day, they were made for that since logging lines had very poor track and had to follow the land the best it could. They didn't win any land speed contests, but they could pull a shitload of heavy cars.
The class 70 can haul over 20 loaded cars (we haven't tested iron ore or coal with this long a consist, and we're not in the southern part of the map yet) I hauled a 30 car consist up to the iron mine loaded with processed wood yesterday and it made it up without many problems (going slow since we haven't fully clear the tracks after the tree update) also, the Heisler (and Climax to a lesser degree) will just jump switches of it's not set in your favor, the cars still won't, but at least the engine will be fine. The class 70 also has slightly more tractive effort IIRC, can't remember exactly how much off the top of my head
You can use heisler even on 10% grade with 18 full oil cars on 55% reg it's like nothing, but don't stop it's little bit hard to start moving again
I think it tells you how much you can load when you have loaded at least 1. It showed 3 out of 3 when you looked at the car.
At 9:36 the iron car was just on the edge of the track before you flicked it, then the train car popped up(I don’t know why, your Olympic high jumper has superhuman strength)shifted to the side and derailed.
When you mention Betsy, remember that time she dapper lost Betsy twice in the railroad.
I haven’t played this game nor do I know how detailed it is but normally can’t you back down the reverser in other games and add a little more regulator to increase the top speed. It’s at least that way in Train Simulator which is what I play the most.
hey kAN, I would like to know when people will be able to join you on your server because I really want to help you.
Don't want to get your hopes down sir but
At 9 55 it's your fault
Irl a wagons should always have to completely clear the switch. After that switch will be able to be in use again
Imagine a 25-car train with only the Heisler and Climax locomotives
When you checked the weight, I noticed in the top left corner at 23:42 that it said 3/3. So you might be able to load one item on the car and check how many it can fit before loading more?
With locomotive with tenders like the cookie the Eureka and the hesler you need to dump the whole water tower into them to fill them up all the way cuz the 5000 water is what is in the boiler so with the tender full you can have 20000-30000 water
Love the vids kan keep them coming
eyyy before 1k views
Love the content kan :)