There actually used to be things on express routes called "slip coach" where they would unhitch a group of passenger cars mid-trip. These were cars that were destined for a station that was a midway point while the locomotive and the rest of the cars continued to the express destination. The slip coaches would then be controlled via brakes to stop at the station, where it could then be shunted of the through line until another locomotive came to pick it up
I thought of this when brushing my teeth one day. I watched a video about slip coach service from Train of Thought before, and then I thought "if Railroads Online adds passenger service, and we can get passengers for a certain destination all into one or a group of coaches, and the rest on the others, and if we practice enough, we could do that!
Well while reading this the scene from polar express where they are in a city popped to mind idk why probably the word express it being christmas time and trains
The caboose can be used to have extra drag on the back when going downhill so they won't constantly bump forwards (but don't 100% brake or the cars will hop off the rails in a bend) and on a train that does not have air brakes it will provide extra braking power.
@@Austin.D Would really depend on the railroad and the equipment. On a standard gauge railroad it served as a crew space, workspace, and lookout for the train (this was before the days of hotbox and other defect detectors). On railroads that did not use airbrakes (such as English freight railways) there was a similar railcar called a brake van that were heavily ballasted and served as a variable brake on the back of the train (this required a degree of co-ordination with the head-end crew). Typically North American railroad caboose cars were not ballasted, as standard gauge railroads were using airbrakes by the end of the 19th century. Prior to that the brakeman would be in the caboose, and it was his job to run along the car roofwalks and apply the brakes on the freight cars while the train was in motion. On shortlines and narrow gauge lines caboose could serve a multitude of purposes, including makeshift combine cars (combined coach/mail car), crew transfer cars (if there was no dedicated transfer caboose), and other purposes, possibly including the same purpose as a brake van. Narrow gauge lines were often a little... sketch. They were typically always on the verge of bankruptcy so tended to use whatever equipment they had in whatever role they could use it in, whether it was designed for it or not.
As you run the train, the physical location of the link can move outside of or beyond the pin (due to 64 bit math errors or "floating point rounding errors"). A hard coded status of "being linked" overrides the physical fact that *it can't be linked* because of it's location, so the car stays coupled throughout the entire session regardless of how ridiculous it looks, unless you manually disconnect it. Every time you back the train, the link location resets to it's minimum travel. The problem comes when you reload the save. The physics is established for each link on reload, but if the link is beyond the pin the physics can't resolve to it being "linked", and so the car becomes uncoupled. The solution, until the devs figure out a way to solve the issue, is to set the break on the last car in the train, back into it, and set the break on the engine. This makes sure all the links are compressed inside of the coupler arm. I sort of see this as an end-of-the-work shift chore before ending the session or part of the procedure to leave a train parked on a siding. I haven't had uncoupled cars since I started doing this. Your point about the fire temperature is correct. In reality, keeping a roaring fire makes the water boil more than needed and the energy is wasted as the higher steam pressure escapes out the pressure safety release valve. Not only is it wasting fuel but it wastes water as well. An experienced fireman works to keep the steam pressure just under the safety release pressure. The only thing the real world boiler has that we don't have in the game is an adjustable firebox flew used to dampen the fire (controls the burn rate and temperature of the fire). Also; look up "railroad hump yard" it's a thing, even today.
Passenger trains didn’t usually have cabooses, as the main purpose of a caboose was housing the train crew and they could just ride in the cars on passenger trains. What passenger trains did have on the back instead of cabooses, especially nicer passenger trains, were observation cars with either a balcony on the back, or later a large round window. On a bit of a tangent, there was also such thing as a drover’s caboose, which was basically a passenger car with a caboose cupola on top and a section in back for exclusively the train crew. These were used on freight trains, mostly cattle trains, where a small amount of passengers needed to ride with the freight. Namely, the people who were “driving” the cattle, hence the name Drover’s caboose.
So I had to look it up, the little shelf in the back of the caboose held all the waybills for the freight cars. Also, when the engineer wanted to slow down, he would blow a whistle and the brakemen would hop out of the caboose, run along the roof of each car, and turn the brake wheels while another brakeman would start from the front and do the same thing. The introduction of air brakes, along with digital tracking of waybills, and the fact that freight cars became too tall for the caboose to see over, removed the need to have a team stationed in the back of the train, and thus, they became obsolete.
Most importantly, the caboose was a mobile office for the conductor, and the cupola up top allowed the conductor to see the entire length of the train when brake operations were being conducted so he could assist in coordinating and verifying brake application.
If you're worried about not having enough room for a roundhouse, don't worry. Most "roundhouses" were just half circles, at least from what I've seen. You might be able to fit almost three in that space, so maybe a six engine shed house. You might even be able to fit a water tower to top them off with, straight off the table.
The longer the train the more practical the caboose for stretch braking. In multiplayer a brakeman in the caboose can apply the handbrakes from the rear to keep the train stretched going downgrade. Without the brakes on the rear a long train will push against the locomotive and derail on curves. The purpose of the caboose was to provide an office for the conductor and his paperwork and also transportation for the flagman and brakeman. The crew in the caboose usually flagman or brakeman were also tasked with observing the train from the cupola to watch for any defects such as smoke from a hotbox. The caboose was equipped with gauges and a brake valve for emergencies. Technology and the replacement of friction bearings with new roller bearings made the caboose obsolete. Modern railroads have since replaced cabooses with electronic rear end devices.
We’ve got an 8 mile industry lead that we have to shove auto racks down at my terminal…I wish to hell we had a caboose!!! 8 miles is a long way to hold on to a ladder, especially since the speed limit is only 10mph
The cordwood track at the smelter is surprisingly good game design. It takes an existing mechanic and forces the player to approach it from a different angle, thus causing emergent gameplay. There's no "correct" way to handle the track - it's entirely up to you to use it how you want to. In my world I setup a shunting yard near the smelter, and parked Betsy there. Then do 3 runs of 9 cars at a time from the logging camp w/ my mogul, detach them all at the shunting yard, and use Betsy as a shunting engine to unload them. It's a bit involved and takes longer than if I did it inline on arrival w/ the mogul, but it's a very different style of driving an engine, and quite fun.
I honestly wish he would get another Porter, maybe name it Beth or such, and leave it either here or at the iron mine. How often do you underestimate power needed for the mine, and you have to run all the way back? The other thing I would try is messing with a switch closer to the cordwood platform, see if I can find a way to just drive in. Once I get my comp updated, I seriously want this game.
if the caboose has links at both ends, it could be set like a second tender for multiplayer and have the other people switch rails while you still drive
The Letting go of cars on the move in the form of a shove is called "kicking" the cars. You would usually have 1 or 2 cars in the track that have breaks on and "kick" the cars you are letting go at them. The knuckle style of couplers found on trains seen in America will automatically lock the cars that were "Kicked" to the ones in the track with their breaks on.
The caboose was mentioned as a place for the conductor to ride in on freight trains. There are no caboose on passenger trains because conductors can just use a unoccupied seat to do there paperwork. Only on scenic railroads have I heard of caboose on passenger trains. But it's your railroad so you can run it any way you see fit. Great video by the way!
To make changing trains easier you could use Betsy as a true shunter rather and building big loops like you do currently. Take Betsy and push the empty cars to your larger engines. Could’ve just pushed the caboose to the train instead of doing the loop and reverse. Just food for thought!
I do that. I made a long switch yard between freight depot and sawmill, I use Betsy to run logs and load lumber and bring the cars to the yard to use the heisler or another loco to the iron or coal mine,
30:17 Shunting like that is pretty common on Eastern European railways, mainly on narrow gauge. The wagons are uncoupled, the loco gives them a boost and they roll into the siding or wherever they need to go. If they don't roll far enough, they use a log wedged between a solid part of the loco and wagons, and they just push using that.
30:12 oh they did that. There were so called "jump cars" at the end of the passenger train. Literally cars, with people and the brake guy, that got disconnected so the train doesn't stop on the station for just 2 cars of people and keeps going on. Imagine: train passes by a small station at full speed, and some time later 2 coasting cars (with no locomotive) arrive... They eventually stopped doing this, because it has killed people working on/crossing tracks that weren't aware of the "jump cars" silently following the train, and also this process required additional personnel that knows how and when to brake the cars.
If you build those dead end stations like the cordwood at the smelter... Then do it with a grade. The use gravity and a second shunt line to gravity role empty cars too. Then you don't have to do all that manual hitching and unhitching
The process that you did with the empty cordwood cars is called "Kicking the cars" and is an actual railroad practice. I actually got to perform it on a real train, although with modern couplers the conductor runs beside the train while it's moving and un-couples the cars, then uses hand signals to tell the engineer to stop. Then like you did here, the cars coast till they get to another car with it's breaks on to stop them.
Imagine they add towns where you transport logs to houses and there was a timeline part of it do definitely night and day cycle and like a whole calender system with season changes like fall and spring
A tip from me. If you are bogged down, try to enable brakes on the last few cars, unhook them, and roll off with less weight. After that either leave the empty cars up at the mine or leave them on when you get the bogged down cars. Because you will have less weight due to the empty cars you will probably make it up again.
Just got done watching star wars episode 2 imagine my surprise when I go from watching an amazing movie to realizing that there's a new upload from an amazing content creator. 😁
The cordwood dropoff would be great with a little shunting yard and a betsy, so you can park full wagons of wood nearby, have the betsy shunt them around, then assemble the empty ones for the big train to pick up again
I just realised that if you have a bunch of mates in the game with you, one could be driving the engine and everyone else could ride in the Bobber Caboose as a little excursion train. In other words, you could use the caboose as a makeshift passenger coach. Also, this winter update is just amazing. I love the snowy environment, but especially the engine sheds and caboose (both will be very useful, I dare say).
I remember asking my dads uncle(guess he'd be a Grand Uncle?) who rides in the caboose when I was a kid in the 70's. They still used them on some lines that he worked on(logging trains mostly in the Northwest). He just simply said, "That's where Brakeman lives." For the longest time I thought he was literal and that a guy named "Brakeman" lived in the Caboose. It became a little more obvious he was talking about a Brake man on the train crew as I got older and started looking into doing railroading. :)
The caboose was ment to be used to survey the entire lenght of the train and it also used to brakes the train before the invention of the pneumatic air bracking system
Apparently, they also said they fixed the Climax geared locomotive. Haven't tried it yet but hey, fingers crossed. Also, Merry Christmas from the Masterwork Railroad!
This game has so much potential...they could add actual climate related difficulties and make it so you have to keep your caboose heated so your brakemen dont freeze, add snow plowing and some mechanics for switches to be more difficult to move when its snowy, telegraph stations for multiplayer switching operations so you can have people manning switches at a rail yard...all that i think would be possible with the current framework and would add soooo much to the experience. Love the content Kan!
The caboose brings back memories because one time I went to a birthday party for my friend, The party was on the Essex steam trains caboose. Good memories. (:
Real life cabooses do have "fire places" from my knowledge they are stoves to cook for the crew in the sleeping quarters. Please correct me if I am wrong
Train crews in the old days were usually 4, 5 or more people. You had a fireman, engineer and a brake man in the engine, and in the caboose the conductor and 1 or more other brake men. When the train needed to slowdown or stop the engineer would communicate to the caboose using the whistle. At that point the brake men would run along the train cars and depending on the whistle from the engine they would apply the brakes accordingly. The conductor would usually ride in the cupola(top) of the caboose monitoring the train. Once air brakes were a thing cabooses were equipped with air pressure guages so the conductor could monitor air pressure.
I guess you could put a shunting yard at a crossroad (crossrail?) between the iron mine, the iron mine and a line connecting to the lumber yard. That way you can leave the cord wood along the track and pick it up/drop it off on the iron ore run
The purpose of a caboose was, at the time when steam engines were still used, they would usually get snuck onto and robbed. To solve this problem, railroads came up with the idea of keeping an armed guard on the train, and since they couldn't keep the guard in the locomotive, they decided to build him his own car and keep him (and the braking crew) in it.
This is largely incorrect. As other commenters have explained, it was used as a mobile office and hotel for the crews, primarily the break crews who had to physically adjust the individual breaks on every car as the train travelled along. With the invention of air breaks, crews no longer had to adjust every cars breaks individually and at that point the caboose was kept as a mobile office. Cabooses weren't entirely phased out until the 1970s in the US, and we re instead replaced with Flashing Rear End Devices or FREDs. FREDs will actually automatically transmit the train's status to the crew in the cab, which was one of the few remaining tasks a crew member would perform in a deisel era caboose
try to creat an s bend that incorperates both the iron smelter and the cord wood line into 1 so you dont have to have the 5 step process of loading and unloading
I'm loving this! Keep up the great work! Have fun! And looking forward to more updates to your railroad! I can't wait for you, Dapper, and Kosmo to run multiple trains~
I hope they'll rework the look of the UIs in the near future, it really feels like a game made in 5 minutes with all the text without individual 'buttons'.
Throwing fire wood at the fire box still works. It is pretty easy: Just move the mouse pointer over the fire box until you get the fire statistics caption in the upper left corner of the screen. Fire stats -> throw wood -> get power. It still worked well with betsy yesterday.
For gravity tracks check 'Freight shuntyard' Kijkhoek in the Netherlands. Built on a hill, they use gravity and braking systems to shunt the different trains. Very neat!
30:12 They used to do that all the time, back in the days, and even worse things. I can send you a link to an old video from a rail yard in Denmark, it's recorded in 1948 and shows how they used to work on a rail yard.
there used to be a thing they did called slip coaches where they would detach cars off the back of a train and have them coast into stations while the rest of the passengers would not have to stop
30:17, I think loose shunting like this was a real practice, with low risk and empty wagons at low speeds, especially if you have a crew member working the brakes.
We still do it. It’s called kicking, though you definitely wouldn’t have anyone riding it and operating the brake while it’s moving nowadays. You’d also have more than one car with handbrakes on that you’re kicking it into.
Kaboose or break van in uk. Was used in the early days of the railway. The earlier cars used on the rail way only had mechanical breaks operated the same way as in the game. So if a coupling snapped from the loco it would roll down the line until it came to stop naturally. hitting another train or derailing. So a break van was added to the end of every consist so if a link did break. The person in the break van could apply brakes on the van to bring it to a stop safely. Later and modern trains Lost the need for a break van when vacuum brakes were added to all rail cars. Where the train driver could release the breaks through the use of steam or compressed air in every car from the loco. So if a link broke the brake line connecting the cars would break off release all the pressure from brakes on the cars reapplying them and bring the consist to a stop.
The slip shunt as you were doing at the smelter is a common thing in places like hump yards, though the cars go through retarder rails that grab the wheels to slow them down. Your method would require the last car on the section you're shifting to have between 10-30% braking power if you use the caboose as a set of buffers. As for boiler temp, it's an efficiency thing, it takes a lot to get to max temp, but not much to maintain the temp. When at max temp the water boils the fastest and produces a lot of steam.
Cabooses, also known as Brake vans are utility cars designed to help slow down trains and have a person on the back when going in reverse. Usually there equipped with a furnace, some brake wheels/levers, a cupola to see over most cars, and I’ve heard some have beds and tables.
A caboose is a crewed North American railroad car coupled at the end of a freight train. Cabooses provide shelter for crew at the end of a train, who were formerly required in switching and shunting, keeping a lookout for load shifting, damage to equipment and cargo, and overheating axles.
Man caboose is pretty good like you can troll so much and it really usefull imagine you go by a cross pice when a giant slow train is coming from your right and you brake man just slams the brake on the whole train. And if someone makes a proximity voice chat mod thats even funnies cause you can hear the driver on the other train screaming
I have an idea to make the unloading process at the smelter a little easier now you have a caboose with -brakes-: If you make the track on the non-station end of the switch a small up-slope, you can: 1. Unload 3 cars, 2. Pull them forward up onto the small slope (Slope only has to be 3 cars long) 3. Switch the switch 4. Unlink the 3 cars. 5. Those 3 unlinked cars will just roll back to the caboose due to gravity 6. Repeat 1-5 for the remaining cars 7. Link everything together again and off you go :D
There’s a narrow gauge railway in Wales where they have gravity trains where it is just freight cars going down the hill without an engine and some guys sitting on the cars holding the brakes to control the speed
When you let the cars roll into the caboose, that’s actually a technique called ‘kicking cars’, and is performed very often in real life. Saves time by sorting cars with less movement
as a caboose is basically a mobile office space, to do paperworkd in, it should improve the amount of money you make from dropping off cargo. If it was a UK style break van, it would double as a half volume box van or "box car"
There's a python script you can run that will go through your save file and find/respawn lost cars. It can also be used to renumber/rename cars/locomotives and modify player values (experience & money)
The thing is, your never going to have full iron at the smelter, and the iron loads at the back, so you could make a rail through the iron pile so don't need disconnect the carts
I believe that on long trains, they would use flags and waving from the guard in the caboose to guide the drivers when they may struggle to see the whole train
The caboose is used for slowing a train down we all know that. When Cabooses put on their brakes it tells the driver in the locomotive to slow or stop. Cabooses are also used for holding extra men to help with the train on long trips. And if the cars get detached from the locomotive the men in the caboose put on the cabooses brakes and the other cars brakes. Your welcome.
I'm not aware of anywhere that a caboose would communicate by applying breaks. Typically the crews at each end would communicate either through hand signals (often using lanterns) or via a tiny whistle on the caboose I specifically witnessed the whistle form of communication at a railroad museum, where some of the steam used for heating the passenger cars would also be used for a whistle on the very last passenger car, and a crew member would monitor from the now-front passenger car while running backwards, both whistling at crossings and communicating to the crew in the engine when to slow, pick up speed or stop
The caboose also has a lamp you can place in the top, red, green, or white, each signifying different things, red meaning it's stopped on the main line, which is thus not clear, the class 70 and cooke mogul both also have slots for these lamps, both on rear of the tender and the 70 also has them on the side of the boiler near the front
Not sure with the old timey roof markers but standard would be red to the rear and green to front and side ( with the traditional 4 lens marker lamps) with the fixed housing my best guess would be red when caboose is trailing normally, white would to serve as an indicator or " headlight " to other trains when backing and green would indicate the train is in the clear on a passing siding when meeting another train that all switches are lined correctly and the passing train can proceed without issue.
Real railroads did do switching by letting cars fly like that, often with someone riding a car adjusting its speed with the brake. They also did switching by pushing cars on parallel tracks using a stout pole (you'll see some old pictures of engines with that stout pole fastened below the tender).
The snow was great for the first couple hours driving but when it comes down to groundwork it's a pain. I wish they would have been given the option to turn it off or download it yourself not just do it. Your videos have been great and have given me lots of ideas Thanks
Kan about the cornwood, like you said what if you took the 4 iron cars, three cornwood cars (at the end of the train). Then after filling up and dispensing the cornwood you leave the cornwood cars there at the smelter before heading up the mountain with the 4 empty iron cars. Then after doing the iron run you just pick up the cornwood cars and take the empty train back to the freight depo? You could even make a transfer station type thing at the smelter where people can temporarily store cars so they don’t have to take everything up the mountain if they don’t want too. Like being able to take a caboose during your normal run but not wanting to take it up the mountain they could like “rent” a lane and store their caboose while going up the mountain so long as they don’t leave it there permanently and grab it when they get back down the mountain?
actually cabooses/brakevans are also used just in case some train cars disconect on a hill. So the person in the caboose/brake van can bring the train to a stop and the locomotive can collect it again
You need to add a siding to park your freight cars on so you can move freight cars to unload freight cars and keep the main line open just in case another train is coming
You could put a siding where the iron and cord wood come together (i dont know the map) that way you can leave the wood and not drag it up the hill. could have two or three trains with different jobs. iron train brings iron to the siding, cord wood train to the siding and the train to the iron works with mixed
i recommend purchasing an engine SPECIFICALLY for shunting 1-3 cars so that you dont have to navigate the large trains around a million switches. for example near the beginning of the video, you coulve used a shunter engine to get the caboose to the engine onto the mainline rather than backing an entire train down the line. plus, shunter engines would be especially useful for the multiplayer episodes.
taking Cord wood to the Iron Mine isn't a bad thing as there should be a fueling depot and water tower there to service loco's. one item the Dev's should add is a Spring Function to the Turnout Switchstands. irl Railroading, it didn't take long for track engineers to determine that adding a Spring into the switch mechanism would allow the points to move aside when a train passes through as a trailing point or where the convergence point is the last part of the turnout the train passes where two track come together. there are two viewpoints for Turnout Switches. Facing Point = is when your standing on the track looking at the turnout and see the tracks diverge off in 2 directions. stop and manually throw the switch if needed for the route you are going to take. Trailing Point = is when standing on the Track looking and you see two tracks joining into one. with a Spring in the Switch stand, it doesn't matter how the switch is positioned. the train's wheels will roll right through pushing the points aside as the pass. the Spring will pull the points back into the set alignment. this is ideal on Loop Tracks as you set the switch to the arriving direction and leave it that way. as you leave the loop, the turnout is in Trailing point so you'd be able to just drive right through and keep going.
Kan have you tried putting 2 or 3 brakes in your wood cars and iron cars so you don't need to keep going back and forth applying and removing brakes from your cars
i would love to see a scenario setup... to where you can set it on permanent winter or at night... along with just a seasonal setting where it follows along for every season
How about buying more cordwood cars and delivering a whole train to a shunt yard, and leave a Betsy at the smelter. Then whenever the smelter is low, you shunt 3 cars in and unload. Also letting inertia take your 3 cars over to the caboose is called kicking, and they have special 'hump yards' which are shunt yard with hills, or 'humps' in the to help with this process. Some yards do all their train configuration this way.
i kinda want to see how fast Betsy actually went down the hill last episode, please try that and see if Betsy was just really lucky or if she's really that amazing.
what you can do is to get 12 carts and get an betsy stationery on the diffrent shops and just use the betsy as a mule and expand the tracks and just use the besty to shift things arround
Think i'll be setting my consists with a caboos at each end, when youre driving manual you'll be right behind your loco in the caboos getting a good view.
The cabooses function was to help the engine stop long heavy trains it’s not meant to replace it’s meant to help also if you want to get the same function with to steam engines by double heading or push pull configuration depending on if you also need extra power
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There actually used to be things on express routes called "slip coach" where they would unhitch a group of passenger cars mid-trip. These were cars that were destined for a station that was a midway point while the locomotive and the rest of the cars continued to the express destination.
The slip coaches would then be controlled via brakes to stop at the station, where it could then be shunted of the through line until another locomotive came to pick it up
I thought of this when brushing my teeth one day. I watched a video about slip coach service from Train of Thought before, and then I thought "if Railroads Online adds passenger service, and we can get passengers for a certain destination all into one or a group of coaches, and the rest on the others, and if we practice enough, we could do that!
@@notmuch_23 that might interfere with train simulators
Well while reading this the scene from polar express where they are in a city popped to mind idk why probably the word express it being christmas time and trains
These were used in the UK
I read about slop coaches
The caboose can be used to have extra drag on the back when going downhill so they won't constantly bump forwards (but don't 100% brake or the cars will hop off the rails in a bend) and on a train that does not have air brakes it will provide extra braking power.
Yep. Also known as a "Brakeman's Car".
EDIT: made this comment literally a minute before he said it in-video.
i thought the whole point of the caboose was for an office/living space for the conductor and the breakman?
@@Austin.D Would really depend on the railroad and the equipment. On a standard gauge railroad it served as a crew space, workspace, and lookout for the train (this was before the days of hotbox and other defect detectors). On railroads that did not use airbrakes (such as English freight railways) there was a similar railcar called a brake van that were heavily ballasted and served as a variable brake on the back of the train (this required a degree of co-ordination with the head-end crew). Typically North American railroad caboose cars were not ballasted, as standard gauge railroads were using airbrakes by the end of the 19th century. Prior to that the brakeman would be in the caboose, and it was his job to run along the car roofwalks and apply the brakes on the freight cars while the train was in motion.
On shortlines and narrow gauge lines caboose could serve a multitude of purposes, including makeshift combine cars (combined coach/mail car), crew transfer cars (if there was no dedicated transfer caboose), and other purposes, possibly including the same purpose as a brake van. Narrow gauge lines were often a little... sketch. They were typically always on the verge of bankruptcy so tended to use whatever equipment they had in whatever role they could use it in, whether it was designed for it or not.
@@kalnaren thank you for the history lesson, it was most informative and entertaining.
(Seriously it was!)
As you run the train, the physical location of the link can move outside of or beyond the pin (due to 64 bit math errors or "floating point rounding errors"). A hard coded status of "being linked" overrides the physical fact that *it can't be linked* because of it's location, so the car stays coupled throughout the entire session regardless of how ridiculous it looks, unless you manually disconnect it. Every time you back the train, the link location resets to it's minimum travel. The problem comes when you reload the save. The physics is established for each link on reload, but if the link is beyond the pin the physics can't resolve to it being "linked", and so the car becomes uncoupled. The solution, until the devs figure out a way to solve the issue, is to set the break on the last car in the train, back into it, and set the break on the engine. This makes sure all the links are compressed inside of the coupler arm. I sort of see this as an end-of-the-work shift chore before ending the session or part of the procedure to leave a train parked on a siding. I haven't had uncoupled cars since I started doing this.
Your point about the fire temperature is correct. In reality, keeping a roaring fire makes the water boil more than needed and the energy is wasted as the higher steam pressure escapes out the pressure safety release valve. Not only is it wasting fuel but it wastes water as well. An experienced fireman works to keep the steam pressure just under the safety release pressure. The only thing the real world boiler has that we don't have in the game is an adjustable firebox flew used to dampen the fire (controls the burn rate and temperature of the fire).
Also; look up "railroad hump yard" it's a thing, even today.
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Please leave some braincells for the rest of us.
Knowledge is king, we just met train royalty here in these comments.
Top hat truly duffed, my good Sire!
praise the king of knowledge 3DPDK
How many sentences is that? I can't count, someone took my iq
I absolutely hope that snow plowing gets added eventually
That would be amazing!
Passenger trains didn’t usually have cabooses, as the main purpose of a caboose was housing the train crew and they could just ride in the cars on passenger trains. What passenger trains did have on the back instead of cabooses, especially nicer passenger trains, were observation cars with either a balcony on the back, or later a large round window. On a bit of a tangent, there was also such thing as a drover’s caboose, which was basically a passenger car with a caboose cupola on top and a section in back for exclusively the train crew. These were used on freight trains, mostly cattle trains, where a small amount of passengers needed to ride with the freight. Namely, the people who were “driving” the cattle, hence the name Drover’s caboose.
Well before the introduction of air breaks when breaks on both ends were needed they did have a "break coach"
Nicer passenger trains that needed armed protection might have had them.
So I had to look it up, the little shelf in the back of the caboose held all the waybills for the freight cars. Also, when the engineer wanted to slow down, he would blow a whistle and the brakemen would hop out of the caboose, run along the roof of each car, and turn the brake wheels while another brakeman would start from the front and do the same thing. The introduction of air brakes, along with digital tracking of waybills, and the fact that freight cars became too tall for the caboose to see over, removed the need to have a team stationed in the back of the train, and thus, they became obsolete.
Most importantly, the caboose was a mobile office for the conductor, and the cupola up top allowed the conductor to see the entire length of the train when brake operations were being conducted so he could assist in coordinating and verifying brake application.
If you're worried about not having enough room for a roundhouse, don't worry. Most "roundhouses" were just half circles, at least from what I've seen. You might be able to fit almost three in that space, so maybe a six engine shed house. You might even be able to fit a water tower to top them off with, straight off the table.
fun fact: i had a dream about a this game a few days ago, it wasn’t too far off from this update
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The longer the train the more practical the caboose for stretch braking. In multiplayer a brakeman in the caboose can apply the handbrakes from the rear to keep the train stretched going downgrade. Without the brakes on the rear a long train will push against the locomotive and derail on curves.
The purpose of the caboose was to provide an office for the conductor and his paperwork and also transportation for the flagman and brakeman. The crew in the caboose usually flagman or brakeman were also tasked with observing the train from the cupola to watch for any defects such as smoke from a hotbox. The caboose was equipped with gauges and a brake valve for emergencies. Technology and the replacement of friction bearings with new roller bearings made the caboose obsolete. Modern railroads have since replaced cabooses with electronic rear end devices.
Not having that is exactly why the derail happened last episode.
Some places still use cabooses for when they have long shove moves to make.
We’ve got an 8 mile industry lead that we have to shove auto racks down at my terminal…I wish to hell we had a caboose!!! 8 miles is a long way to hold on to a ladder, especially since the speed limit is only 10mph
The cordwood track at the smelter is surprisingly good game design. It takes an existing mechanic and forces the player to approach it from a different angle, thus causing emergent gameplay. There's no "correct" way to handle the track - it's entirely up to you to use it how you want to.
In my world I setup a shunting yard near the smelter, and parked Betsy there. Then do 3 runs of 9 cars at a time from the logging camp w/ my mogul, detach them all at the shunting yard, and use Betsy as a shunting engine to unload them. It's a bit involved and takes longer than if I did it inline on arrival w/ the mogul, but it's a very different style of driving an engine, and quite fun.
So much like a electronic model railroad love it
I love how the Porter's unofficial name is Betsy. Everyone has agreed, everyone uses it.
I honestly wish he would get another Porter, maybe name it Beth or such, and leave it either here or at the iron mine. How often do you underestimate power needed for the mine, and you have to run all the way back? The other thing I would try is messing with a switch closer to the cordwood platform, see if I can find a way to just drive in. Once I get my comp updated, I seriously want this game.
if the caboose has links at both ends, it could be set like a second tender for multiplayer and have the other people switch rails while you still drive
Whoa that is so cool, the snow fits in a lot with the evergreen trees.
they!re not ever greens now, they’re white
So everWhites
Grey sheds would be pretty sweet to have at industrial areas, such as the oilfields and the smelter.
The Letting go of cars on the move in the form of a shove is called "kicking" the cars. You would usually have 1 or 2 cars in the track that have breaks on and "kick" the cars you are letting go at them. The knuckle style of couplers found on trains seen in America will automatically lock the cars that were "Kicked" to the ones in the track with their breaks on.
The caboose was mentioned as a place for the conductor to ride in on freight trains. There are no caboose on passenger trains because conductors can just use a unoccupied seat to do there paperwork. Only on scenic railroads have I heard of caboose on passenger trains. But it's your railroad so you can run it any way you see fit. Great video by the way!
To make changing trains easier you could use Betsy as a true shunter rather and building big loops like you do currently. Take Betsy and push the empty cars to your larger engines. Could’ve just pushed the caboose to the train instead of doing the loop and reverse. Just food for thought!
I do that. I made a long switch yard between freight depot and sawmill, I use Betsy to run logs and load lumber and bring the cars to the yard to use the heisler or another loco to the iron or coal mine,
30:17 Shunting like that is pretty common on Eastern European railways, mainly on narrow gauge. The wagons are uncoupled, the loco gives them a boost and they roll into the siding or wherever they need to go. If they don't roll far enough, they use a log wedged between a solid part of the loco and wagons, and they just push using that.
In multiplayer the caboose can keep tension on the back of the train when going down hill as a brake car.
30:12 oh they did that. There were so called "jump cars" at the end of the passenger train. Literally cars, with people and the brake guy, that got disconnected so the train doesn't stop on the station for just 2 cars of people and keeps going on.
Imagine: train passes by a small station at full speed, and some time later 2 coasting cars (with no locomotive) arrive...
They eventually stopped doing this, because it has killed people working on/crossing tracks that weren't aware of the "jump cars" silently following the train, and also this process required additional personnel that knows how and when to brake the cars.
Love the fact that you're totally geeking out over the caboose. :)
If you build those dead end stations like the cordwood at the smelter... Then do it with a grade. The use gravity and a second shunt line to gravity role empty cars too. Then you don't have to do all that manual hitching and unhitching
The process that you did with the empty cordwood cars is called "Kicking the cars" and is an actual railroad practice. I actually got to perform it on a real train, although with modern couplers the conductor runs beside the train while it's moving and un-couples the cars, then uses hand signals to tell the engineer to stop. Then like you did here, the cars coast till they get to another car with it's breaks on to stop them.
Imagine they add towns where you transport logs to houses and there was a timeline part of it do definitely night and day cycle and like a whole calender system with season changes like fall and spring
Before trains had air brakes, they had a brake crew. They rode in the caboose, and had to go to each car to set the hand wheels as needed.
Kan you could store all the classic trains in the open space then have the gear trains up in the mountains
A tip from me. If you are bogged down, try to enable brakes on the last few cars, unhook them, and roll off with less weight. After that either leave the empty cars up at the mine or leave them on when you get the bogged down cars. Because you will have less weight due to the empty cars you will probably make it up again.
What a great update! Caboose is brilliant, especially for multi as you said! And the snow just makes the whole place magical.
Just got done watching star wars episode 2 imagine my surprise when I go from watching an amazing movie to realizing that there's a new upload from an amazing content creator. 😁
In the UK, a caboose is called a brake van.
In the age of steam, thr Caboose held the people in charge of changing the switches, so it works best in Multiplayer
also helped for train tension and braking
The cordwood dropoff would be great with a little shunting yard and a betsy, so you can park full wagons of wood nearby, have the betsy shunt them around, then assemble the empty ones for the big train to pick up again
I just realised that if you have a bunch of mates in the game with you, one could be driving the engine and everyone else could ride in the Bobber Caboose as a little excursion train. In other words, you could use the caboose as a makeshift passenger coach.
Also, this winter update is just amazing. I love the snowy environment, but especially the engine sheds and caboose (both will be very useful, I dare say).
another good thing about the caboose is that if you don’t derail, the rest of the carts won’t (as long as physics are gonna be nice)
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I remember asking my dads uncle(guess he'd be a Grand Uncle?) who rides in the caboose when I was a kid in the 70's. They still used them on some lines that he worked on(logging trains mostly in the Northwest). He just simply said, "That's where Brakeman lives." For the longest time I thought he was literal and that a guy named "Brakeman" lived in the Caboose. It became a little more obvious he was talking about a Brake man on the train crew as I got older and started looking into doing railroading. :)
The caboose was ment to be used to survey the entire lenght of the train and it also used to brakes the train before the invention of the pneumatic air bracking system
Apparently, they also said they fixed the Climax geared locomotive. Haven't tried it yet but hey, fingers crossed.
Also, Merry Christmas from the Masterwork Railroad!
This game has so much potential...they could add actual climate related difficulties and make it so you have to keep your caboose heated so your brakemen dont freeze, add snow plowing and some mechanics for switches to be more difficult to move when its snowy, telegraph stations for multiplayer switching operations so you can have people manning switches at a rail yard...all that i think would be possible with the current framework and would add soooo much to the experience. Love the content Kan!
The type of train shed they added is more suited to switched tracks than a turntable, since the tracks inside it are parallel.
Also, check out another UA-camr by the name of "Trainmaster Pat." He's actually worked on a railroad and is applying that in the game.
The caboose brings back memories because one time I went to a birthday party for my friend, The party was on the Essex steam trains caboose. Good memories. (:
Real life cabooses do have "fire places" from my knowledge they are stoves to cook for the crew in the sleeping quarters. Please correct me if I am wrong
Train crews in the old days were usually 4, 5 or more people. You had a fireman, engineer and a brake man in the engine, and in the caboose the conductor and 1 or more other brake men. When the train needed to slowdown or stop the engineer would communicate to the caboose using the whistle. At that point the brake men would run along the train cars and depending on the whistle from the engine they would apply the brakes accordingly. The conductor would usually ride in the cupola(top) of the caboose monitoring the train. Once air brakes were a thing cabooses were equipped with air pressure guages so the conductor could monitor air pressure.
I imagine another reason you used the mogul is because it's the only engine with a snowplow at the moment
You're forgetting the Class 70 and Eureka.
I guess you could put a shunting yard at a crossroad (crossrail?) between the iron mine, the iron mine and a line connecting to the lumber yard. That way you can leave the cord wood along the track and pick it up/drop it off on the iron ore run
The purpose of a caboose was, at the time when steam engines were still used, they would usually get snuck onto and robbed. To solve this problem, railroads came up with the idea of keeping an armed guard on the train, and since they couldn't keep the guard in the locomotive, they decided to build him his own car and keep him (and the braking crew) in it.
This is largely incorrect. As other commenters have explained, it was used as a mobile office and hotel for the crews, primarily the break crews who had to physically adjust the individual breaks on every car as the train travelled along. With the invention of air breaks, crews no longer had to adjust every cars breaks individually and at that point the caboose was kept as a mobile office. Cabooses weren't entirely phased out until the 1970s in the US, and we re instead replaced with Flashing Rear End Devices or FREDs. FREDs will actually automatically transmit the train's status to the crew in the cab, which was one of the few remaining tasks a crew member would perform in a deisel era caboose
try to creat an s bend that incorperates both the iron smelter and the cord wood line into 1 so you dont have to have the 5 step process of loading and unloading
I'm loving this! Keep up the great work! Have fun! And looking forward to more updates to your railroad!
I can't wait for you, Dapper, and Kosmo to run multiple trains~
I hope they'll rework the look of the UIs in the near future, it really feels like a game made in 5 minutes with all the text without individual 'buttons'.
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nice caboose ya got there ;)
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Throwing fire wood at the fire box still works. It is pretty easy: Just move the mouse pointer over the fire box until you get the fire statistics caption in the upper left corner of the screen. Fire stats -> throw wood -> get power. It still worked well with betsy yesterday.
For gravity tracks check 'Freight shuntyard' Kijkhoek in the Netherlands. Built on a hill, they use gravity and braking systems to shunt the different trains. Very neat!
30:12 They used to do that all the time, back in the days, and even worse things. I can send you a link to an old video from a rail yard in Denmark, it's recorded in 1948 and shows how they used to work on a rail yard.
there used to be a thing they did called slip coaches where they would detach cars off the back of a train and have them coast into stations while the rest of the passengers would not have to stop
30:17, I think loose shunting like this was a real practice, with low risk and empty wagons at low speeds, especially if you have a crew member working the brakes.
We still do it. It’s called kicking, though you definitely wouldn’t have anyone riding it and operating the brake while it’s moving nowadays. You’d also have more than one car with handbrakes on that you’re kicking it into.
Kaboose or break van in uk. Was used in the early days of the railway. The earlier cars used on the rail way only had mechanical breaks operated the same way as in the game. So if a coupling snapped from the loco it would roll down the line until it came to stop naturally. hitting another train or derailing. So a break van was added to the end of every consist so if a link did break. The person in the break van could apply brakes on the van to bring it to a stop safely.
Later and modern trains Lost the need for a break van when vacuum brakes were added to all rail cars. Where the train driver could release the breaks through the use of steam or compressed air in every car from the loco. So if a link broke the brake line connecting the cars would break off release all the pressure from brakes on the cars reapplying them and bring the consist to a stop.
The slip shunt as you were doing at the smelter is a common thing in places like hump yards, though the cars go through retarder rails that grab the wheels to slow them down. Your method would require the last car on the section you're shifting to have between 10-30% braking power if you use the caboose as a set of buffers. As for boiler temp, it's an efficiency thing, it takes a lot to get to max temp, but not much to maintain the temp. When at max temp the water boils the fastest and produces a lot of steam.
30:00 Now that move feels reminiscent of The Great Locomotive Chase.
Cabooses, also known as Brake vans are utility cars designed to help slow down trains and have a person on the back when going in reverse.
Usually there equipped with a furnace, some brake wheels/levers, a cupola to see over most cars, and I’ve heard some have beds and tables.
If you plan on doing a long train I recommend having one of your friends in the Caboose so they can help you slow down on the downhill inclines.
I certainly hope they add a Southern pacific cab forward it'd be so damn cool
Great episode! Can’t wait for the next!
A caboose is a crewed North American railroad car coupled at the end of a freight train. Cabooses provide shelter for crew at the end of a train, who were formerly required in switching and shunting, keeping a lookout for load shifting, damage to equipment and cargo, and overheating axles.
Would be cool when they add day/night cycle and weather once in a while you'll have clear the tracks with a rotary snow blower or a snow plow
Man caboose is pretty good like you can troll so much and it really usefull imagine you go by a cross pice when a giant slow train is coming from your right and you brake man just slams the brake on the whole train. And if someone makes a proximity voice chat mod thats even funnies cause you can hear the driver on the other train screaming
I have an idea to make the unloading process at the smelter a little easier now you have a caboose with -brakes-:
If you make the track on the non-station end of the switch a small up-slope, you can:
1. Unload 3 cars,
2. Pull them forward up onto the small slope (Slope only has to be 3 cars long)
3. Switch the switch
4. Unlink the 3 cars.
5. Those 3 unlinked cars will just roll back to the caboose due to gravity
6. Repeat 1-5 for the remaining cars
7. Link everything together again and off you go :D
Couldn’t you do this before as well, but just with another cart?
Yes, all cabooses have a road number and so does other rolling stock. It helps keep track of equipment.
There’s a narrow gauge railway in Wales where they have gravity trains where it is just freight cars going down the hill without an engine and some guys sitting on the cars holding the brakes to control the speed
The pilot trucks have had enough of staying on the rails 27:52
When you let the cars roll into the caboose, that’s actually a technique called ‘kicking cars’, and is performed very often in real life. Saves time by sorting cars with less movement
it will be cool to eventually see people doing roleplays on this game
as a caboose is basically a mobile office space, to do paperworkd in, it should improve the amount of money you make from dropping off cargo.
If it was a UK style break van, it would double as a half volume box van or "box car"
There's a python script you can run that will go through your save file and find/respawn lost cars. It can also be used to renumber/rename cars/locomotives and modify player values (experience & money)
The thing is, your never going to have full iron at the smelter, and the iron loads at the back, so you could make a rail through the iron pile so don't need disconnect the carts
WHAT!?!?!??!?!?!??! Snow! Also, dat caboose dough. Also also, these are indeed narrow gauge trains.
I believe that on long trains, they would use flags and waving from the guard in the caboose to guide the drivers when they may struggle to see the whole train
The fire place in the caboose is actually for heating and it also serves as a stove.
I love how the one thing he is most excited for is the caboose lol
27:52 how did no one notice the front wheels were wonky?
How about running Heisler for iron mine and Cooke mogle for smelter with cordwood
The caboose is used for slowing a train down we all know that. When Cabooses put on their brakes it tells the driver in the locomotive to slow or stop. Cabooses are also used for holding extra men to help with the train on long trips. And if the cars get detached from the locomotive the men in the caboose put on the cabooses brakes and the other cars brakes. Your welcome.
I'm not aware of anywhere that a caboose would communicate by applying breaks. Typically the crews at each end would communicate either through hand signals (often using lanterns) or via a tiny whistle on the caboose
I specifically witnessed the whistle form of communication at a railroad museum, where some of the steam used for heating the passenger cars would also be used for a whistle on the very last passenger car, and a crew member would monitor from the now-front passenger car while running backwards, both whistling at crossings and communicating to the crew in the engine when to slow, pick up speed or stop
Yea that too
The caboose also has a lamp you can place in the top, red, green, or white, each signifying different things, red meaning it's stopped on the main line, which is thus not clear, the class 70 and cooke mogul both also have slots for these lamps, both on rear of the tender and the 70 also has them on the side of the boiler near the front
Not sure with the old timey roof markers but standard would be red to the rear and green to front and side ( with the traditional 4 lens marker lamps) with the fixed housing my best guess would be red when caboose is trailing normally, white would to serve as an indicator or " headlight " to other trains when backing and green would indicate the train is in the clear on a passing siding when meeting another train that all switches are lined correctly and the passing train can proceed without issue.
Real railroads did do switching by letting cars fly like that, often with someone riding a car adjusting its speed with the brake. They also did switching by pushing cars on parallel tracks using a stout pole (you'll see some old pictures of engines with that stout pole fastened below the tender).
The snow was great for the first couple hours driving but when it comes down to groundwork it's a pain. I wish they would have been given the option to turn it off or download it yourself not just do it. Your videos have been great and have given me lots of ideas Thanks
Kan about the cornwood, like you said what if you took the 4 iron cars, three cornwood cars (at the end of the train). Then after filling up and dispensing the cornwood you leave the cornwood cars there at the smelter before heading up the mountain with the 4 empty iron cars. Then after doing the iron run you just pick up the cornwood cars and take the empty train back to the freight depo?
You could even make a transfer station type thing at the smelter where people can temporarily store cars so they don’t have to take everything up the mountain if they don’t want too. Like being able to take a caboose during your normal run but not wanting to take it up the mountain they could like “rent” a lane and store their caboose while going up the mountain so long as they don’t leave it there permanently and grab it when they get back down the mountain?
30:16 its called kicking cars was standard practice they even put trains together like that
Oh my god this is the best thing ever!
actually cabooses/brakevans are also used just in case some train cars disconect on a hill. So the person in the caboose/brake van can bring the train to a stop and the locomotive can collect it again
You need to add a siding to park your freight cars on so you can move freight cars to unload freight cars and keep the main line open just in case another train is coming
You could put a siding where the iron and cord wood come together (i dont know the map) that way you can leave the wood and not drag it up the hill. could have two or three trains with different jobs. iron train brings iron to the siding, cord wood train to the siding and the train to the iron works with mixed
Woooooo! They’ve added a brake van (caboose) no more downhill bumping!
I like the snow because it really makes the locomotives stand out more
i recommend purchasing an engine SPECIFICALLY for shunting 1-3 cars so that you dont have to navigate the large trains around a million switches. for example near the beginning of the video, you coulve used a shunter engine to get the caboose to the engine onto the mainline rather than backing an entire train down the line. plus, shunter engines would be especially useful for the multiplayer episodes.
taking Cord wood to the Iron Mine isn't a bad thing as there should be a fueling depot and water tower there to service loco's.
one item the Dev's should add is a Spring Function to the Turnout Switchstands.
irl Railroading, it didn't take long for track engineers to determine that adding a Spring into the switch mechanism would allow the points to move aside when a train passes through as a trailing point or where the convergence point is the last part of the turnout the train passes where two track come together.
there are two viewpoints for Turnout Switches.
Facing Point = is when your standing on the track looking at the turnout and see the tracks diverge off in 2 directions.
stop and manually throw the switch if needed for the route you are going to take.
Trailing Point = is when standing on the Track looking and you see two tracks joining into one.
with a Spring in the Switch stand, it doesn't matter how the switch is positioned. the train's wheels will roll right through pushing the points aside as the pass. the Spring will pull the points back into the set alignment.
this is ideal on Loop Tracks as you set the switch to the arriving direction and leave it that way.
as you leave the loop, the turnout is in Trailing point so you'd be able to just drive right through and keep going.
kan: Mind find I catch a ride? SRC #3: go in the caboose
Kan have you tried putting 2 or 3 brakes in your wood cars and iron cars so you don't need to keep going back and forth applying and removing brakes from your cars
i would love to see a scenario setup... to where you can set it on permanent winter or at night... along with just a seasonal setting where it follows along for every season
How about buying more cordwood cars and delivering a whole train to a shunt yard, and leave a Betsy at the smelter. Then whenever the smelter is low, you shunt 3 cars in and unload.
Also letting inertia take your 3 cars over to the caboose is called kicking, and they have special 'hump yards' which are shunt yard with hills, or 'humps' in the to help with this process. Some yards do all their train configuration this way.
i kinda want to see how fast Betsy actually went down the hill last episode, please try that and see if Betsy was just really lucky or if she's really that amazing.
The caboose is just a rideable tender for betsy
what you can do is to get 12 carts and get an betsy stationery on the diffrent shops and just use the betsy as a mule and expand the tracks and just use the besty to shift things arround
Think i'll be setting my consists with a caboos at each end, when youre driving manual you'll be right behind your loco in the caboos getting a good view.
The cabooses function was to help the engine stop long heavy trains it’s not meant to replace it’s meant to help also if you want to get the same function with to steam engines by double heading or push pull configuration depending on if you also need extra power