Parents fined because their SEN children won’t go to school
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2019
- It's tough enough for children with special educational needs, let alone getting the help they need from the school system. We're investigating the issue all this week and how getting the right support can be a long battle. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
Without the right provisions, many children simply begin refusing to go to school. Across England, three quarters of a million pupils were persistently absent in the last term of 2018. Parents can face prosecution or fines if their children continually fail to meet attendance targets, and last year more than 27,000 parents were taken to court in England and Wales, leaving many feeling they're being punished rather than getting the help they so desperately need.
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I have adhd and dyslexia and I was in a special school for 2 years after I was excluded from primary. People didn’t understand me however I was told to leave that special school and I had nowhere else to go after that.
I didn’t have anymore education so I just stayed at home.
I have a job now as a builder and I love it. Even if it doesn’t work out, you will find something ❤😊
Not all children learn the same
Let's be honest, Children learn nothing in school. if anything schools make them worse.
@@KallusGarnet come on now.... a bit of an over statment?
@@tofco6444 I am not overstating anything.
Look at cultures where the parents and families educate their own children and you will see that they have a closer communities and family structures.
The children mature quicker and are less likely to develop mental illness.
Time to wake up, to the fact that schools are just prison indoctrination camp's formed by your corrupt government.
@@KallusGarnet ok...... but there are positives to take from schools aswell. Many College students who i speak to all say it was the best time of thier lives. I do understand your point thou
There’s a huge, huge difference between bad, feckless parenting And parents struggling to meet a child’s special education needs or individual difficulties, so it’s pretty shocking to see the lack of support for these parents, getting blamed by The System that simultaneously seems to be abandoning their kids to sink or swim. Best of luck to all such parents and guardians struggling to raise their kids, and especially to all those facing similar unsympathetic local education bodies...
My daughter masked for years in school but we would get the brunt of the anxiety before and after school.. I was sent on numerous parenting course.. Nothing related to school improved, her mask started to slip in school, the gap in her reading skills was getting wider and wider, one morning she exploded at the school gate, kicked her senco, support was then put in place in school and things got better, she still struggles but is finally supported. Stop blaming parents!
I have autism and if you asked me its not autism just post traumatic stress from bulling, lecturing and arguing in school which damaged my brain and brings back flashbacks making muteness and panic attacks when people repeat those facial expressions and voice tones as the teachers and children had who yelled at me 10 years ago.
I understand you fully, I was a communications specialist to ASD.
Marc Kingdom It made me sad to read how mean the teachers and your class mates were, they just don’t understand because no one has ever told them that you deserve to be treated as a human being. We are all different some of us are more sensitive than others. It’s not our fault and we can’t help reacting the way we do in certain situations. Until schools learn that the classroom should be a place where children feel safe, where children are praised for trying even if they make mistakes that’s ok because we are there to learn. Until teachers allow us to be our true self not try to mould us to all be the same, until this happens children many children will find school traumatic.
The failure is with the schools with an education system which dates back to the Victorian days. Things need to change it’s not fair to children who are sensitive to be treated so harshly in fact it’s cruel. Children deserve to have choices. Children should be allowed to learn in ways they can relate to, making lessons interesting and fun ie using Lego in a creative and imaginary way. What is the point of learning historical dates of battles for example? I could never understand this it’s so boring for children. Every child has a talent which ought to be discovered and developed in school. This is nearly always something a child enjoys doing. You would have enjoyed school I’m sure if only they treated you as an individual and allowed you the freedom to make your own choices. Surely that would have been better for everyone and you would have achieved more by attending school than by dropping out.
My grandson has Aspergers he is now 7 years old. When he lived in the UK he was very unhappy and experienced meltdowns every day. He could not tolerate the doctors and scored 0 out of 10 in every development test. He couldn’t tolerate getting his hair cut or anything which meant him being touched. Then 4 years ago he went to live in New Zealand where he has thrived because their schools are totally different. For example the children don’t have to wear shoes. They spend most of their day outside and under cover if it rains. The do a lot of learning through play with lots of physical activity, not sitting inside at desks or using computer screens. He is very happy attending mainstream school. He is very popular and has many friends including girls. He enjoys swimming, cycling, building with Lego and watching F1 motorsports. He is above average with his reading and maths. He is a very happy little boy.
Sorry this is so long but I wanted you to know that you can achieve a happy and successful life no matter what your needs by treating yourself with the love and kindness you deserve. Try to forgive people who are mean or who bully you as they have never been shown the right way to treat people. Try to stay calm or to walk away from situations as soon as you feel uncomfortable, don’t wait until you get stressed. It is better to do what is right for you. Don’t ever worry about what other people think it’s really doesn’t matter. They will forget what happened yesterday. Do what you love to do every day.
Remember there are many people who love you and those who don’t they just don’t understand you, it’s their loss. Don’t think about the past it has gone. Live for today you deserve to have the best of everything and nobody has the right to deny you a happy life. You are special just by being you, you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. Good luck!
Good god the hypocrisy of politicians. They've reduced the funding for SEN.
They should spend that money on programs for special needs students just like the mom in this piece said.
They're immensely expensive. Are you willing top sacrifice your healthcare, policing or your kids's education to help a tiny minority that requires a disproportionate amount of funding?
@@matbroomfield Stop prosecuting the parents and they would have more money available.
@@Pining_for_the_fjords A drip in the ocean I fear.
Time and time again. Children/adults with autism are being let down by the system. And year after year. This goes on. Its shameful.
That was good reporting on an important but overlooked issue
You know what i think. I think these state school's are making these young people Mentally ill.
@@KallusGarnet it's a mix, since they were always designed to turned abled people into pawns of a system, their focus on any kind of mental health support has never been an integral part of the education plan. When it comes to people with learning difficulties this problem is multiplied since their reactions to anxiety and stress are worse than for most.
I thought it was very cold blooded..
Any parent who's taken to court because school failed to provide special provision should sue the school /local authority as by law "Every Child Matters" local authority has a duty of care to meet the child's needs. Sadly, parents /family needs to push this. If school cannot provide with special provision - local authority must find an adequate school and no parent should be taken to court ! Parents have the right to follow up children's progress ( Statemented or not) - best defence for a parent is "the offence"... I say this as a former SEN teacher ... Good luck (if you are a carer - you're entitled Legal Aid, + it's free to get in touch with OFSTED about school / local authority failing to put adequate care plan in place...)
I have a friend who's son has autism in the USA, and she has been home schooling her son, since primary school, which is paid by their state educational government. The British government should look into allowing homeschooling for kids with autism. So sad that parents with autism are been fined by their councils.
I'm a SEND student myself. SEMH specifically, seeing many people supporting our needs even if I was 4-5 years ago.is amazing! We really do get overlooked especially by some people.
I attended school in the late 60's early 70's. My grandson presently attends high school. Apart from computer studies ALL subjects he is doing I did 50 plus years ago. Technology, Science and society in general is not the same as in my day. I sympathise with kids who are forced to attend an outdated educational system not fit for todays economy. Designed to mould one into a conformist and to suppress any individual entrepreneurial spirit one may have. Where is the vocational training as in Germany. Teenagers would engage more fully in dismantling car engines, bricklaying and plumbing. Learning modern history regarding Jack the Ripper is absurd.
Four years since this aired and things aren't a great deal better. If any parents of young people with SEND are struggling with school avoidance, we are here with a wealth of resources to support you and your child in accessing their education in a way that is flexible, accessible and workable for them! 💛
Honestly don’t blame kids from having enough and dropping out of the education system the system is designed for high learners and lower ones are tossed aside and forgotten about I left at 16 best decision I made got myself a trade job I especially had enough of have an agenda forced on me in lessons which had nothing to do with my learning.
Having my own problems with this in the US.
How I feel real sorrow for these youngsters and their parents! What an agonising situation! I also pity the teachers. Too many teachers struggle to meet the needs of ADD/ADHD and autistic youngsters (not to mention the myriad of students with behavioural/emotional difficulties and learning issues) because they often require much support, supervision, guidance, and time that teachers cannot easily provide in light of all their other job obligations. Teaching such youngsters in classes with 25-40 students can also be punishing, exhausting, painful, demoralising, and futile. Ultimately, much additional government funding must be made available to provide excellent educational programmes for all youngsters and small classes (10-12 maximum) where teachers can give the necessary attention to their charges. Educating youngsters properly can prevent a lot of future chaos from developing in society. Recently retired after 35 years in full-time education (in private schools), I would not want to become a teacher today although teaching was very much a calling for me.
Yeah they expelled me for being cheeky back n forth with the teacher certain teachers anyway who shouldn't be teachers.
Then they send me to one of the biggest abuse schools in the land. Underley Hall but I'll bet alot of those schools have as many court cases still going on decades later.
Special Schools perhaps? Oh yea, they were closed...
too bright for special schools sometimes.
Special schools limit the qualifications you can get as well, which puts very bright students at a disadvantage
Act is not law remember school is a business. No children no money
Our children means our wealth of the country.
UK's inevitable failure of public services. Sad.
Keep voting for these politicians to make more and more laws when will you realize the government is not here to help you. You are only money for them. They make these laws to fine you then you pay them to fight them. I rather have freedom at any cost than slavery any day. Government is the reason why we are in the mess in the first place and you want more government to step in. Time we say we don't need the government all we need is 10 laws the bill of rights in the constitution.
*they forcibly tax it at gunpoint. Otherwise spot-on.
What about the losing side of an election, they clearly didn't want the outcome, but are forced, sometimes even at gunpoint to deal with the new leader.
Nothing special vs any country but UK is on my experience a very bad expample of a "rich" land with outstanding lost of individualism and freedom.
Jail for not paying taxes or child not attending scholl,.....TV license ......... etc etc etc etc etc. Awful land.
Hey im joe. Currently stressed out since my mum got given a notice today. School makes me incredibly anxious and i just couldnt cope and as much as i try to make myself go it reaches 8 am and im hyperventilating on my bed. People in the school always visit my house and just tell me that my mum is gonna get fined and stuff but they just dont seem to understand it 1 bit. Theres even a head psych report from 2 years ago that says they think i am at "high risk of school refusal" yet they still act as if its my mums fault
This is a civil matter, not a criminal matter, council are lying
Could you get referral to a new psychiatrist or child psychologist I think high school is too hard for kids like us I was like this from age 14 had a mental health problem and was off school months then went back to school but in special needs unit but I hated it I wished when I was at school thed been special places for kidsvlike me and you now is it possible for you to be home educated or online school schools don't understand mental health issues school damaged me in confidence and trust I've good 🤞
It's always about punishment with these guys.
Mayb the camera should follow the kids to school and find out why eh.
Why do teachers help to bully the poor kids.
Kids who have scraggy appearance worn out shoes and unkempt greasy hair fit in the only way they know how. To be the class clown directed by smarter kids so they get to laugh and not be in trouble and teacher goes along with it. Telling kids they'll be on benefits when older anyway like your mum to the whole class.
That kid better think fast before it sinks in and erupt the class into laughter. Then get bullied more.
If kids won't go to school you should find out why.
As a parent of a child with Autism myself i get what the parents must feel. The authorities have basically left them with a choice of Court Action or Meltdowns. Trust me if you live with meldowns each day you would take the court action. Then to pretty much force them to home school is a disgrace. The parents now will have no time for shopping or be able to get a break from their own carer roles only adding to their likely already stressful lives they deserve a medal not a fine.
well said
What's the point if he can't Evan have kids
Mental illness is the minds reaction to childhood wounds caused by neglect, abuse and stress usually by other human beings. People don’t mean to do this to each other it just happens. Probably because that was the way they were treated too. The world often feels like a cold, lonely place where we are all struggling just to survive. It’s very sad. But there is an answer, remove what is making you unhappy. Do what you love to do and stop trying to do everything to please everybody else all the time. Those who are happiest in this world usually put themselves first. Other people don’t condemn them for it in fact they respect them for it. We don”t enjoy being around unhappy people we like being around positive people. So do what you love to do and you will attract more positivity into your life. Try it.
The reason why they fine parents for there children won't go to school .because the school gets a certain amount of money to educate those children in which they don't get the support they need.
Parents can sue the school for the lack of education given to that child .
Because they don't get 1 to 1 support all children are a group learning
Take it from a parent who has a child with special educational needs
Yes, very much agree, remove the threat of prosecution!!!
After the last couple of years and online and distance learning from schools has had to be normal practice maybe they should offer this as a means for support for those that struggle with school and anxiety over school. Add online lessons to the attendance as I feel it’s not always the work that might stress them out but maybe the actual situation of school, the sensory overload, the fear of crowds. A child who wants to learn but struggles with school as a place would benefit from this, the parent would be supported with teaching and the schools would keep their attainment targets. Yes fine those that have a low attendance because they are taken out for holidays and unnecessary things but support those who hold their hands up, admit they are struggling and need people to help them reassure their child. Threats don’t work in any situation with children and a child with anxiety who struggles with school and is then told their parents will go to court…. That just increases their anxiety.
Fighting for your child’s mental health is hard enough let alone when you also have to fight a system that is flawed. Maybe this will be the silver lining of covid and online classes for those that are struggling mentally, physically or have send that is diagnosed or undiagnosed may be the way forward.
My girl is 4 and already suffers with anxiety when out and especially at nursery, constantly worried that they’ve prepared her meal right, that it doesn’t contain any allergy food, worries about accidents and what her friends will think or say if she has one… and she struggles to go to nursery emotionally sometimes, we have breakdowns at home cos she’s tired physically and mentally with trying to cope and seem ok at nursery. Childrens mental health is definitely overlooked a lot and fobbed off for other reasons such as it’s their age, they’ll grow out of it, the parenting is at fault.
I've been thinking this too, would be perfect for our situation but also needs to be able to attend school too as carers need a break for instance to catch up on sleep if like me they have a child that doesn't sleep much and needs constant supervision and also to be able to do simple things like shopping and going to doctors appointments none of these I could do with my youngest son as he doesn't cope at all.
Each child should educate. Do good team work parents teachers and Government please.
Never trust a government
Don’t they have home schooling in your country ? In the US anyone can choose to homeschool their child for any reason. Of course, you have to have them registered and they may have to go up to the school at the end of the year to take test. They allow they parents to use their own curriculum or they can take free online classes. For special needs students we have special schools or classes and programs in the school for these students. I am not saying we have a great education system because we don’t . It is not the worse in the world it varies by state .
We have homeschool. I should know but..... its hard for some pearents espically with kids that need support. But instead of helping them the goverment is handing out fines
Tofco Plays I agree and every child has the right to a public education that also fits their needs. These parents need a break, some love and support from their government and their communities !!! The government should be ashamed. I will praying for the these families. 🙂❤️✌️
Are we living in Russia/China who do they think they are! I only found out this information the other day and had to look it up the control of people is scary and outrageous. I am in my sixties thank god I haven't got school age children. I thought people would have protested about this, and not just for Sen children.
Once you qualify with a PGCE consider the Private Sector
You can't fund compasion. It runs deeper than that.
We have home schooling. You can home school.
Wait...can you not homeschool your child in the UK
You can but you shouldn't have to, when schools make things so hard a child cannot reasonably be expeced to attend parents often have no choice.
Yes secondary is tough for anybody really but being fined for not going there? Rubbish
this is where i am now
His parents should have moved to Indonesia and sent him to a British school
You can't go to prison it's a lie, this is a civil matter, not a criminal matter, check bill of rights
Hello Rishi
I have a Question for you in regards to a Better future...
I know someone who's child is in special needs school and he's had injuries in school on several occasions.
It came to a point the family even called the police but they just said sorry we can not help.
Once he cut his finger so he went to the teacher and showed his finger and the teacher replied and said what do you want me to do and ignored him.
On his last injury he was pushed and from that he has not been in school for over 12 months.
Also due to the injury and the stress from school he had seizure and nearly died.
(He had seizure more then once)
The local authorise got involved and still nothing has been done infact they lied about many things all they have been doing is just meetings after meeting but the poor child is suffering and he has now lost over years of education.
It is very disappointing to hear from the local government staff lied about many things.
The school and the local authorises should be shamed of them self for treating and lying to a special need child.
They have been over four people from The local authorises to sort this metter and still continuing.
Now it has come to a point the child is upset more because he has lost over years of education.
(Where is safeguarding at school)
(Where is the equal treatment)
(Why was the child neglected)
(Why was the child treated bad and given false promises from the local authorises)
Do parents sends their children's to school and keep praying that they do not end up near enough in death bed.
Parents should be able to send their children's to school and think 100% they will be 100% safe.
How will their ever be a better future when the local authorise and the school treat a child and his family soo badly.
Where is the Justice
Thank you for your time.
wish you all the best
Take care
This was before rishi
Check out Pathological Demand Avoidance - Autism
Same here.
I dont vote, i dont like politicians, i dont truth on justice courts, on autorithies, on most funcionaries related to education etc but so ironically I am envolve on all this.
Well, none fines or court for me but....like the same.
Prision for dont pay taxes or not attending school? UK sucks on a very outstanding grade.
Bussiness, people life is bussiness on many ways for some "people" since born to dead.
For my is not a budget problem. It is to let child to be. To play, to live as they are. Dont bother child and parents with standards, laws and rules since people born to live as well as they can and not as some people think they may.
I realize this children living another age without this circunstances. They even wouldnt be pointed like now.
It's About Money/Funding & Not An Education For These Authorities
What law????
Legislation is not law it’s commercial rule!
Act of parliament is an implementation of commercial rule called legislation!
The law is called common law!!!!
And kids are first of all a private property......!
Albert Pike thanks! What do you think, is it accurate?
The government's role is to facillitate a safe society in which it acts for the general wellbeing of the citizens. It is NOT to sit in imperious judgement over us all, dictating how we must live our lives. This issue is difficult because bad parenting makes bad kids makes worse society, but at least a couple of these cases do not appear to be down to bad parents. I do get concerned when so many parents' go to excuse is autism or ADHD, but I don't know what the right solution should be for these kids.
Officially, home school them.
Not so easy that would put a huge stain on the parents. When will they go shopping and things and get a break from their carer roles if they do that?
the article says both parents interviewed did that, one is on the verge of losing her home now because of not being able to work.
Louise Coates I disagree with fining or locking away parents if the children don’t go to school.
@@honeybadger9425wow "shopping for shoes and things".."carer" rolels..? are you fucking insane? these are YOUNG boys..so how would you like it if you had a kid-boy or girl,and then one day this happened to you..? not exactly little house on the prairie is it ?
HORMAR WACAN
Can we help in paying school requirements to a poor children who likes to study
What does sen mean?
Special Educational Needs
This is Me in a Nutshell, Having ADHD And Autisum And Me Using those Exsuse's Im Suppried that I even Go i Like and hate it. But my Head Teacher Is Cool, He Set off the Fire Alarm For Us to Have Ice Cream
Different story but same subject my grandson just gone on summer break with parents to Florida my son wrote to school telling them of situation ,on same day last week him and his wife got letter saying both being fined ,I think £120 each for keeping him off school ,also got letter congratulating them on sons 100% attendance record up to then ,the point is by going on holiday now my son and wife will pay the fine in this latest school scam £240 like lots of other parents as by going now now instead of school holidays he is saving nearly £2000 on the holiday its a scam by schools 👎👎👎
do what i did... i made it so the school made me stay home , go home they said, what u doing here they said your not suppose to be here they says. i think locking the teachers in the cupboard when they go in there was a big no no to them, personally i think they should of been better prepared before class starts, i was merely teaching them a lesson, its not my fault they didn't learn the 1st time and had to be taught again and again and again and so on and so on and so on.
Bet life before 1996 trauncy laws were more laxer
There's nothing wrong with home schooling you simply pull your child out officially. As these have done before hand thus depriving the school of funds per pupil l head . This e whole process is terrible . as any one sued a school yet for damages ?
Cmon where are the fathers, even if he was to be divorced or not being partners anymore, Its a must that HE must be part of that child's life team work makes the cream work.
And why If the child's father is violent has mental health problems witch means he is to dangerous to be near the child
Why go to school? To be a government slave? My guess is they don't have incentives to go to school. Will it bring happiness? I'm guessing they have had either something traumatic happen or they have never had structure. Being given things without working for them makes people unappreciative. I would guess most of these kids come from single parent homes. Go ahead and call me sexist but it takes more effort for a single parent and structure is hard to provide when there is only one parent. I am not saying this problem doesn't exist in 2 parent homes but independence is more apt to be learned in a 2 parent home. These poor kids are too dependent.
1 of those children is extremely independent and has been for many years.
@@LouiseCoates meaning they take care of themselves? Do their own laundry? Make their own meals? That's wonderful! However something about going to school must be very difficult for them. I wonder what they feel when they are there. It must be bad enough that they risk their parent getting into trouble. I hated school. Absolutely loathed it. I wish I had the skills then that I do now. I don't think parents should be fined. I do believe it's important to find the reason for a student not wanting to go to school. I had to deal with both children and teachers that I had difficulty with. Learning to be able to do that is part of Independence as well. Parents are there for guidance and support but unfortunately dealing with undesirable classmates and teachers and possibly curriculum is something nobody can do for them. Even if schools improve (and I hope they do) real life is not always easy to handle.
@@sandralaganworth7614 yes the child I'm talking about did his own laundry and his own meals because his mother is also disabled and struggled to do those things. He struggled with social anxiety, a part of his autism. He would spend the whole day at school masking (pretending he was ok) however this was basically meaning the whole day was acting. Imagine being on stage from 7am to 5pm/6pm every day of the week. It's no wonder he struggled attending.
@@LouiseCoates like I said I loathed school. I ended up having to go to court for truancy. I am speaking from my own experiences. Each situation is different. What causes anxiety in one person may not be the cause in another. I respect that you are defending the person you are speaking about. I am pointing out that in some cases kids are coddled and that it hurts them by not allowing them to become independent. The case you bring up appears to be the opposite. I do wish more was known about how to deal with anxiety. I think the classes are always going to be too large and I hate to say it but I don't think outdated education systems will ever change.
I met a 3yr old once who pulled up a chair clicked the cooker on and fried up acouple eggs. I was blown away.
guess who owns your kids lol
@@newyoutubeaccount2023 you pay taxes?
@@newyoutubeaccount2023 good :) removing ones self from the game the "powers that be" have everyone play, is the only true freedom left.
This is because of Brexit.
11111LIKE
Dont have kids
So, you in the U.K. have the same issues that we do with vaccines?
They are trying to create little robots here that do what they say.
Laurie Flood Stop spreading damaging pseudoscience. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
What kind of example are these parents setting to their children??
If you don't like something, or it makes you 'anxious', that's okay, you don't have to do it...
What absolute nonsense.
Get a grip, or lose your kids to something who is capable of raising them.
My child was so anxious his brain stopped him being able to see when he woke up in a morning (every schoolday for a month), I didn't believe him until I heard him fall halfway down the stairs on the first day at which point we got our optician to back it up. Should I still force this child into school?
@@LouiseCoates You won't get an answer from that judgemental cretin
@@martinmiller6568 I know, just making a point.
@@LouiseCoates NO, HOME EDUCATE INSTEAD.
@@LouiseCoates No home educate instead.