Hello, finally a realistic and credible assessment of the subject. Here in Germany, many UA-camrs tell the fairy tale of the fundamentally superior sound of vinyl records.
I've been in this HIFI game for over 50 years, and I would have to say that generally Vinyl IS superior to digital when everything is at least good quality and synergistic. It takes a lot of time, money, and experience to achieve that, but in my humble opinion, it's worth it. Vinyl... really good vinyl, is better than really good digital, but the difference is shrinking. I use both, but I take my vinyl listening sessions more seriously than my digital sessions. What more need be said?
I'm thinking GIGO applies in most things. Cheap systems and poorly recorded /engineered mediums will show their flaws over better pressings and recordings. And all digital (CD) recordings aren't created equal. Check the SPARS code on the digital medium to see if it's AAD, ADD, or DDD. Not a guarantee but more often than not in my digital rig ADD sounds better to my ears. Dont know if the tube DAC has anything to do with it. Now that turntable in my thumbnail, Dual 1219 (tweaked here and there and rewired tonearm) reproduces clean vinyl very well as does it's stablemates the 701 and 721. I have had some crap TT's in the past that was a waste of $$$. I'll stick to my old dogs until they stop running.
I grew up on vinyl, and the ONLY thing I miss about it is shopping for the records. There was a magic to flipping through the LPs and looking at the jacket art and reading the back of the jacket. I do not miss the scratches, or the snap/crackle/pops. And I have never felt digital sound was not as good as LPs. I do miss holding the physical record in my hand also .
I previously dropped a joke on one of your videos about the best upgrade for a turntable is a CD player. It was just a joke...because despite having multiple CD players, a reel to reel, cassette players and streamers, I also have a few turntables and it seems I grab a record and use a turntable more than any other media when I want to just sit back in my "captain's chair" and listen to music. Is it the nostalgia? Is it the involvement it takes? Whatever the appeal, there's just something about vinyl that, while sometimes frustrating, is much more satisfying for me. Love the content. Keep up the good work.
I'm in the same boat. With streaming, it's 'consumption'. With a technically challenging platform like LPs or reel2reel it more about the situation. What do you want to listen to for the next 25 minutes? Decide, then be in whatever soundscape you chose for the duration. To me, that's an opportunity to listen to something else than just the Hits - and become inspired to listen to more off-the-beaten-track stuff. Explore. Besides; putting on a record is a ritual! Get your coffee ready, lower the lights, send the missus somewhere faraway to get something - in short, prepare. Then, listen. Forget time and be in the moment. Before you know it, you'll be in the zone :)
@@proverbialmind_spread9421 Thanks... I took no offense. After 33 years of doing morning radio, I can tell who is really coming after me (and I act accordingly!) Your safe! 😀
@@MartinFiltenborg Well, being divorced for a while has it's advantages at times. Like I get to spend my money on audio with no one breathing down my neck about it...get to just kick back and listen to music when I want. When my youngest son moved out, his room became the listening room. So I got a couple of nice setups in that room alone...and other systems throughout the house. No matter where I'm at in my home, I can put on some music and enjoy. Obviously the listening room is the best. My "captains chair" and a loveseat for guests and we just kick back and absorb the sounds. Cheers!
I have wondered about that. It is as though there is some quality that is related subconsciously through sound that digital chops up but can't put back together. It can sound great but it's dead. Digital/Analog conversion seems to be like catching a fish and chopping it into pieces. You can take it home and stitch it back together but if you put it in your fish tank, it won't swim.
People come over to the house and see my vinyl collection and they'll tell me they want to get into LPs and want to hear some tunes. I tell them to relax and I'll explain each step I go through to play the music. I'll also briefly explain my gear to play the music. It will take about an hour to show them my steps and play both sides of a genre of music they like. You can tell right away who's a contender and who's a pretender. Good video!
Lol I understand but I'm about 1000% opposite. I WANT people to come over just so I can share my sound with them. Like I'm trying to get my landlord to step in for a minute just to let him hear my system. Like dawg check out this Santana record *pulls out Caravanserai
Vinyl is for music lovers,if you can’t hear the difference between a CD and vinyl,then keep with CD,the rest of us music lovers will carry on listening to true,warm and beautiful vinyl.
This guy is 💯 I agree with everything he said. People will say music is music, I'll listen to a song and 30 seconds later and skip to the next. Music is meant to be consumed slowly. Listen to the album, to the complete album. Look at the album cover and the art, see the album the way the artists made it, see the artists vision in its entirety and find the way it connects to your feelings and who you are.
This is great. I have a great vinyl collection and live by these rules. It’s simple, but the most important thing for me is taking care of the records and turntable. Poly lined inner sleeves and cleaning. Putting the vinyl back in the cover after playing with careful storage on the shelf. Sitting down and listening to a full album is something people in general don’t do nowadays. I have a very stressful job and my record room is a decompression chamber of sorts. Good video. Thanks very much.
Daunting! I'm glad I bought my first turntable in my teens without barely a thought in my head about it. Still playing my vinyl on the second turntable I ever bought.
I’m still using my first one I bought in 1977. A Marantz 6300 direct drive. I’m well aware it’s not the best TT. But, I sure can’t complain about its quality. It’s 40 something years old and I think it’s going out live me.
@tturner12341 Denon DP 30L. Still works just as well as when I got it 43 years ago. The only reason I might want to upgrade is for the aesthetics. I see so many turntables that are just mind-blowingly beautiful and this is not one of them.
I'm 80 and recently bought myself a Pro-Ject debut evo carbon with a AT-VM95 Shibata. I think this will be my last pick-up. I'm in vinyl since 1967, there was nothing else those days but i'm still a fan and happy with my new Pro-Ject. Hello from Oostende (Belgium) Bob. Love your video's.
I grew up in the 1970's 80's when vinyl was the norm. I frequently saw the consequences of poorly maintained record collections and turntables, Loose records in the pile, dirty fingerprints, spilled beer, The dreaded dust clump on the needle slowly lifting it from the groove causing major distortion and likely surface damage due to leaving the disc on the turntable for days collecting dust. Time expired, well worn out needles on both high end and cheap turntables alike causing major groove damage. by the time I was a teenager I was well aware of all those 10 things and more
One thing that i think people miss is that you also need the room to store your vinyl. CDs and Digital take up very little or no space, but over time a vinyl collection can eventually require its own room. But as someone stated here in the comments, it is 100% a labor of love and a time consuming hobby.
I'm glad you brought up the cost of the albums themselves. I have a lot of money (for me) in the turntable and amp, but then you have to actually buy the music. At $20 - $50 for one album, the cost adds up very quickly. I absolutely love the sound of the music from a good turntable through a nice tube preamp and good amp - there's nothing like it - but people need to know the cost goes well beyond the cost of the gear.
Bath in the UK here. Bought my second turntable, an upgrade from my Dual to a Linn in 1992, figuring vinyl was dying, at the time it was. But having accumulated at lot of records wanted to make sure had the best I could afford and something that would last. Thirty plus years and one upgraded power supply, I'm so glad I did, couldn’t afford it now.
Yep, Time, Patience, and Expense are the trifecta of analog playback. Convenience is the polar opposite of analog, and that's why many of us got lured by the _Perfect Sound Forever_ mantra in the first place. The reward is that when you sit down in the listening chair, your attention is on the _music_ and nothing else until the end of side 'intermission'. Then you know you've got it right.
The "perfect sound forever" CDs only give you 15% of the music! Did you know that? Redbook CDs disregards the extra musical information ubove 20k where all the ambiance and realism is! People that think CDs were the best thing since sliced bread are not deep listeners, most people are background listeners! Nothing wrong with that, but us deep listeners know the rewards and feelings from that! 😊 Once you hear a good LP or reel to reel on a decent system, you can't unhear that! You'll crave more! Deep listening is sooo much more rewarding!😊
When it hits that spot where you go over and stand in the sweet spot for a minute just to soak it in and next thing you know you have moved your chair there until the album is finished. And it can be the most random seeming song, just stand in the sweet spot and you hear things in the music you never heard before.
@@analoguecity3454 This is quite true if you're a bat, maybe a dolphin. Humans over the age of about 10 years can hear very little at 20,000, although there *may* be some sonic overtones there. Those of us who grew up listening to FM stereo didn't mind that it topped out at 15,000 Hz. I've been in studios with multitrack reel to reel at 15ips & listening to CD doesn't make me miss that anymore than listening to a good LP. You don't have a monopoly on "deep listening."
Vinyl is a Hobby within a Hobby. I got rid of my vinyl in the mid 80's while in the military. CD'S were coming out. The whole mobile thing was an issue. time was an issue. And you're right, so was having patience. I'm stying clear of Vinyl and cassettes CD'S sound good, easy storage, long life, little to no maintenance, and I don't have to worry about shaky hands, and they are affordable. Don't get me wrong, Vinyl is cool, but I'm not going down that rabbit hole again. Great video, maybe you can show us your CD rig, lol.
If you are a critical listener, you will notice that most CD's are compressed horribly. Not a fault of the format but of the crappy CD producing companies.
Just like most hobbies, such as woodworking or fixing old cars, vinyl is a labor of love, and if you don’t love to labor on your love, it’s probably not for you. Great advice!
I think that turntables are works of art. I really do. I just don't like vinyl. I always wait for the snap crackle and pop. My wife surprised me with a CD player for my birthday in 1985 and I sold most of my records. I just donated my TT to a charity store. I still love your vinyl videos and I still think vinyl is cool. I want to thank you for this incredibly honest and detailed video!
This is excellent. I haven’t had a turntable in 20+ years. Part of a mammoth rack that had to go when I got married. I’ve come to realize that I’m not really listening to music in the car, AirPods, phone etc. I miss the experience and tactile interaction and regret that my kids don’t know what a record is! Your talking points are spot on. I’m easing back in….dreaded suitcase record player….but want to make sure it will be enjoyable, budget, space constraints etc. a lot cheaper to start with a $100 item and reassess than to go whole hog on TT, amp, speakers etc.
Got myself a sweet old Technics record stacker and stack 5 or 6 lps and listen for couple hours at a time...got a CD player also...cuz u are correct listening to music is what I do
Amazing, excellent explanation about this subject, which is a project and/or hobby for some people, I just watched this video twice, because I see this information valuable specially for people (beginners) that just started to get interested in vinyl records👍
Hi, I'm new to your channel, as this video popped up in my recommended. I watched it all the way through, and loved every bit of it! Here's my response: It's nice to see someone so passionate about not just vinyl or just turntables, but the entirety of the investment as well. Everyone knows that love is not a sprint, it is a marathon, and turntables are definitely a huge love of mine. I currently own three rigs: 1) Stanton ST-100 2) Stanton ST-150 (The original blue one with the old logo, not the dark grey re-release with the modern logo) 3) Gemini PDT-6000 I love all three of these turntables, and vinyl is definitely an immersive experience all the way around. I someday hope to obtain the elusive Numark X2 Hybrid Turntable, as it will be the final nail in the coffin to my turntable collection. In my opinion, it is the holy grail of turntables, and I hope it will serve as a killer grand finale for my obsessive turntable collecting. This was a truly enjoyable and entertaining video. I subscribed!
Very cool, informative, REALISTIC presentation! As one who has taken a DEEP dive into this world just 8 short months ago, I can attest to the fact that this can be PRICEY! More than 300 pieces of vinyl and a vintage Pioneer turntable piped into my Bose 321 system.....ah yes, it sounds divine. DONT FORGET YOUR PREAMP!!!! Have fun, enjoy, and I am looking forward to Bob's videos. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, y'all!
I have the same one and I’ve been using it since…1977 I think. I never stopped buying vinyl. Even in the 90’s 00’s and teens. Also I’m a huge House Music fan and it was always pressed on vinyl through the years. 😊😊 #keepspinning
Bob, I think you nailed it. I have a turntable, a cd player, and a streamer. Most of the time I stream, just due to convenience and the limitations of a turntable. I do like the way some records sound versus the cd or streaming, but you have to have the patience and time to listen that way. Unlike many younger folks, when I stream, I typically listen to a full album just like I do when I spin a record. All formats have their place and their benefits.
I am the same way. I also have a streamer, CD player and turntable. The streaming is indeed a nice convenience, especially when I can buy albums off of Bandcamp and then being able to download them directly to my music server. However, there is just something really nice about having physical media, for which CDs is the next best for convenience, and then the records. I grew up through the 70s and 80s at a time when that was the basically the only way to play music was on records or cassette. There is just something so cool and nostalgic about getting out a record, placing it on the turntable, giving the record a quick brushing to remove dust/static, hearing that ever so subtle "vroomf" when the needle touches the surface, and then the music starts playing. If you want pure convenience, streaming is the way, but if you really want to have that tactile experience along with your music playing, then playing vinyl is how to experience that, with CDs somewhere in the middle (still got that tactile experience, but with more of the convenience like with streaming - just put the disk in and hit "play").
Great video! As an oldster who had a turntable based stereo until the 1990s, when it was destroyed in a flood, I'm rebooting. And finding out that a.) I have to get my wife to agree to allow a big, hot tube amp in the living room or b.) A big Sansui receiver and c.) find the modern equivalent of a discwasher and d.) a zerostate and e.) teach my adult kids to hold the records with touching only the edge and the center label and hole and f.) get used to listening a full time at a side. Oh! and g.) allow my family to place my speakers in prime living room space so that the sound is optimum when I'm seated on my favorite couch!
@@mscommerce You have a lot of work to do, my friend! I know a lot of people and I'm the only one I know that cares anything at all about audio. We are part of a small, but proud group in niche hobby!
I have a Music Hall turntable! And I have a Pioneer RT-1020L reel to reel tape deck! I have two Tascam CD player/recorders, I have a Klipsch 7.1 surround sound speaker system. All are connected to my Yamaha A/V Aventage RX-A2A receiver! I also have my Dish Network receiver connected to my Yamaha 7.2 receiver, as well as my computer desktop. I use my 55 inch VIZIO TV as my computer monitor! I have around 1100 vinyl records, 1600 CDs, and around 1500 movies on DVD & Blu-ray. I also have 120 DVD/Blu-ray Rock concerts & documentaries! I use my two Tascam player/recorders to record CDs digitally!
G'Day Bob from the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Australia. Just stumbled across your video and got to say I absolutely LOVED it! My dad opened a hi-fi store in 1975 and I have been involved in the family business ever since. I am now 56 and still love selling hi-fi systems and especially record players to my customers. It always makes us giggle to ourselves when we hear the old "vinyl is making a comeback" line as, as far as we are concerned, it never went away! It is nice, though, to see more and more people getting back into vinyl, especially those who have grown up listening to digital music on bluetooth speakers. The looks on their faces when they hear a great analog system for the first time is delicious. Anyway, Loved the video, it reminds me so much of what I say to people all the time about don't get into vinyl if your'e not serious about it. It's not convenient, it's not cheap, and it's not easy, but, by god, it sounds so good whn you hit that sweet spot in your fave album. And returning to the concept of actually listening to an album from start to finish is something so many have never experienced until they play a record. I look forward to now trawling all your other videos and telling everyone to watch them. I hope you don't mind if I use this one to introduce some people to our vinyl nirvana when they ask about why our turntables cost so much more that the plastic suitcase one they just saw at the local department store. Cheers, Tony
This video is probably the most beneficial video for someone that loves music and equipment but is new to turntables. I purchased a very cheap used turntable by default when shopping for an ultra budget second hand system for fun. Once I heard the turntable I loved it. 6 months later I acquired about 20-25 albums. Now 2.5 years later I can’t even remember the last time I used that system. It’s not because the system is bad, it’s because of the dedication it takes to listen to records. Up and down, up and down. Trying to cook, clean or whatever just doesn’t work. I am very thankful I lucked out with not having spent tons of money. If I saw this video I might have skipped the turntable all together. Also glad I didn’t do that 😊
Owned and been around turntables my whole life and pulling a record out of its sleeve, taking my time to set the stylus and moving at a slow and relaxed pace is something that never gets old for me. I find that a very enjoyable experience. You just don’t get the same feel streaming or with CD’s. ❤
I bought my first Turntuble yesterday so wish me luck 😂😂.. but spend a lot of time listening music .. I still buy CD's, Cassettes and Vinyl (even without having Turtable) and I know that it takes time and I am willing to invest time in learning how to use it and take care of it.
Some other things, if you decide you want a vintage turntable, prepare for the expense of hiring a tech to repair it and keep it running, especially if you don't have mechanical/electronics aptitude. Oh, ask around your town if there are any shops that service the vintage units, shipping turntables is a dicey proposition and you want to stay local for service, Thanks for a great video!
Buying a quality vinyl system from table to speakers was the most satisfying experience. Once figured out the sound I liked, the equipment purchases felt like the easy part. The hard part I had to learn was how to shop for quality records. Building a collection of records that I love and want to play required the commitment to searching and researching the best available pressings. Mistakes were definitely made in the beginning. I feel like I have the buying process dialed in now. Sometimes I get a poor pressing, but it is rare. Last poor press I got was the Atlantic 75 Phil Collins’ Face Value from AP. Excellent video!!
I'm always getting people asking me these things on a fairly regular basis. Rather than take my time to explain it all to them in future i shall just direct them to this video. It will give you more views and save me a heap of time. We both win. Keep up the great content!
Thank you for giving us all the hard TRUTH. I have yet to see someone else go into the detail of the honest aspects of owning and operating the wondrous and imperfect hardware equipment that is a proper turntable and what is truly involved. 👍😊
I love listening to records, been doing it for over 50 years now. Its not a hobby,its entertainment..had some of these lps for 50 years now and they sound good and believe me i never treated them with any special care other than common sense!! They aint gold ..play em and enjoy them thats what there for
@@PatrickRyder-k1n I don't disagree, but I do believe this hobby attracts many of us with a touch of OCD. I'm glad your process works for you. That's all that counts! Rock on!
Dissuade is correct...good usage...excellent presentation, covering the minimal requirements to make listening to records enjoyable(despite all that is required)...(David)
Concerning Point 7: This is the main reason I purchased a fully automatic turntable (a Sony Linear Tracking Turntable). I was concerned about accidently damaging my LPs and 45s, so I purchased a turntable where I never had to handle the tonearm except for replace the P-Mount cartridge. That way all I had to do is put the LP/45 on the turntable, set the speed, and press play.
But doing all of it manually is part of the fun. I am totally the opposite. I have a fully manual turntable with no automatics. That’s my main turntable, but I do also have a fully automatic turntable from the 70s.
I like both. I had a semiautomatic for 20 years and recently upgraded to a full manual. And it test drove a full auto for week, long enough to fall in love with the convenience. I want to get a decent full auto now to use for parties or during the day when I don't feel like being careful. But I want one that looks good lol
@@postersm7141 I never really enjoyed LPs and 45s, they were just the best that was available when I was growing up. I never felt the romance of playing records. At one point I almost went with cassette (I had a good portable stereo [similar to a boombox but it looked like an actual piece of audio equipment] and went on a cassette buying binge) but unfortunately the quality of cassettes just wasn't that good, so I returned to LPs and 45s until the CD came out.
Great video fellow. Greetings from Portugal. I started with a 100€ used Philips Electronic, and in 2 years I just Achieved my GoldNote Pianosa with Donatello cartidge. In the middle there are several Thorens from the 60’s to 80’s. Enjoy the ride you all
For total newbs to audio, I think investing in an Audio Technical LP70x Turntable is a great start. Then, I'd pair it with a pair of powered speakers that has a sub-out. Upgrade paths on the cartridge stylus are available and a sub will fill out the sound of more affordable active speakers. For Edifier, usually model numbers that end in "s" have a sub out. I'd add a carbon fiber record brush & a stylus brush. Lastly, I'd get a Spin Clean.
Some good points made in this video. One thing I'd add is the importance of knowing where to position your deck, what type of furniture it should be on, etc. Things like this can drastically affect the sound depending on a number of factors. The biggest mistake I see online when people share their rigs is the "lifestyle setup" where the turntable is on the same piece of furniture as the bookshelf speakers or right next to one of the towers. Many manufacturers even share these types of photos, but it's not going to make for the best sound as the vibrations from the speakers will go right into the deck and degrade your sound quality. Physics doesn't care how your setup looks on Instagram or what you or your partner think looks good. The best sound quality may very well involve a less aesthetically pleasing arrangement. If you're just getting into this sub-hobby, doing your research is pretty important if you want to get the best sound. I wish the barrier to entry wasn't so high, but if you don't do your homework, you're not getting the most out of your system and you may even be throwing a good deal of money away. And I'm not talking about super expensive audiophile-quality systems, this is really for any level of gear.
Hello from Argentina!! GREAT VIDEO BTW!!! 10 thing that I had hate before the digital era were invented! I'd love the streaming era with 53 year old, I know that records sound quality is unique, and I do respect the analog fans... just enjoy the music!
Hi from the UK gave up on vinyl in early 90's & have used CD's ever since, last turntable i owned was an Ariston RD40, Mission 774LC tonearm & Nagaoka MP11 boron cartridge. good video as well.
I loved this entire video as it sums up the reality of delving into the vinyl game perfectly. I just got back into it after about 30+ years. A few points. The expense had seemed quite high, until you adjust for inflation and realize it's pretty much the same as it was back in the day. I think some of us who got out and just came back have forgotten how pricey it actually was. Another point, after a couple of mishaps (all with new, and thus easily replaceable, vinyl thank goodness) I relearned the fact that ergonomics is a critical piece of the vinyl puzzle. Get the turntable to the right height to use comfortably, and safely. I have also thrown my back out using a far too low platform for my turntable, playing vinyl takes a lot of interaction and repeatedly bending over at the waist too far wasn't kind to my wonky back. Those last two items have led to me buying a new rack, which I will also place closer to my listening position for even more convenience. Another good investment, a magnifying light, you'll need it to do things related to adjusting your cartridge if you have to make any changes. Even good, or corrected, 20/20 vision isn't good enough for that task. Oh, and you haven't lived until you've dealt with a cartridge protractor! All I can say is - PACK YOUR PATIENCE! LOL!
Bob!!! You're 1st presenter that has laid down mimimum prerequisites for 'having' a turntable. Bravo to challenging potential TT'ers to take the red or blue pill.
Not only that! He said "there's a lot of times vinyl sounds like hot ass". As a begginer, i can tell how assholes these 'analog audiophiles' can be by saying how vinyls are better or something like this. By their tone, looks like the main fault is the 'gear' not properly set up and you should spend double the amount. Something that has to be said to newcomers to the hobby is what's gonna happen a lot of times and what to expect no matter what. Glad I've seen this video so I can recommend to anyone willing to start.
The founder of Schiit took one listen to the U Turn ($400) and said he was out of the TT biz. That's how good those U Turns are, add a decent cart and the Schiit Skoll (if your rig is balanced) and you are there. Study your TT before you buy, the Regas I looked at required a drop / pull while spinning. Seems weird. Technics SL-1500C is all you'd ever need.
Hi, what do you mean by “if your rig is balanced”? Which UTurn do you recommend and with what cartridge? Also, what is the difference between the SL-1500C and the SL-100C?
@@MC-bg7ro When my 26 year old daughter was 16, she pointed to my Rega and asked what it was. I explained and got an album out and said "this is how we listened to music when I was your age" We played some albums and she was very impressed. When her 18th birthday was approaching I asked her what she'd like for a present and she replied "a turntable like yours Dad". Found a Rega 2 on ebay, minus the wood surround mine has, and over time she got an amp and speakers. You've got to bring them up right! :)
Nice vid. You're absolutely right about many facts! I've owned three turntables: 1) Pioneer PL-Z85, (plasticky shitty model from a great brand) which had supported lot of disassembling to fix things like belt and motor adaptations, addition of phono preamp, etc. She finished mostly destroyed. 2) Sony PS-Q7, oh... I still miss that little sucker. I have to dismiss it due to diabolically unattainable stylus replacement and failed cartridge adaptation. 3) (actually) Audio Technica AT LP120 USB, bought seconhand, with aftermarket cartridge (Ortofon Super OM10, replacement due because worn OEM stylus) she gives to me the better of both worlds: I can easily do digital recordings, (not from USB but attaching outputs to audio interface) and the analog playback (Line Out) is very good at least for my ears. If I had enough room, I would surely look for another TT to accompany the AT 😆😆😆 But it is a luxury that I cannot afford for now. Thanks for the video!
I bought the bulk of my vinyl collection in the late 80's and 90's when everyone was dumping them for cd's . I bought most of my system used piece by piece over the years at estate sales, including my tt. I likely don't have 500 in everything over 45 or so years. The biggest issues I've had with listening to vinyl have been more related to room acoustics or a shit local power supply. For what ever reason I get terrible feedback and noise from all my tt's here, none of which was problem at my old house. Back in the 90's it was common to find yardsales with records for four for a dollar or less, or free. Having plenty of storage space helped so I brought home tons of records back then, I sat on them for years later selling off the duplicates and unwanted genre albums on fleabay and keeping what I liked for myself I've narrowed it down to about 900 albums and maybe twice that number of vintage 45's. ' The problem is they sounded way better in my old house, same system, same tt but it sounds terrible here giving me poor sound, noise, and feedback. Its so bad that simply walking by the tt creates a hum with the cartridge becoming microphonic and sensitive to nearby objects. I have 12 tt's ranging from a Technics SL1200, to a Riga P3, to a Pioneer PL530. All worked great and sounded fantastic in my old house, and even play fine at a buddies house, but her I get nothing but noise, low volume, an tons of feedback. I've pretty much considered my vinyl collection sort of dormant until this gets sorted out somehow. CD's and Cassettes sound fine, radio is about nil here with poor reception and a ton of interference from nearby power lines and cell towers I suppose. and being more than 50 miles from the nearest broadcast tower don't help that much either. I put my tuner away as well after realizing there's nothing to hear on the radio here that I cared to listen to.
@@paulomontero12 9 years ago the whole house was rewired, no more than two outlets to a breaker, 100 amp panel, new everything out to the meter. It changed nothing. What i can't understand is why a tt that works just fine at my buddies house four miles away on the same amp and speakers, won't play loud enough to hear 10 feet away and the minute i switch to Phono on the amp the cartridge acts like a microphone reacting to me standing next to the thing. It hums loudly when i move my hand near it. I have one of those little outlet testers, it says the outlet is fine. The TT is grounded to the amp, and I've tried multiple amps and multiple TT's and all do the same thing. The worst was a Beogram, it would make loud popping, machine gun noises when I touched the arm or got near the cartridge. It worked just fine at my buddies place. When I first moved here there was an old console stereo in the living room that was left behind by the last owners. It worked and I used it while we repainted, rewired, and re-carpeted the house then. The TT worked but barely, an old ceramic cartridge BSR tt with a heavy cast aluminum tone arm. I finally tore it apart and got rid of it because even when it was turned off, it would trumpet out radio calls from some two way radio or cb. It would happen randomly, and was loud. I thought someone was playing around when it happened the first time but we all sat there one night and could listen in to half of someone's conversation with the thing sitting in the middle of the floor covered up in paint tarps and unplugged, with no power in the house at the time. I sometimes still hear that through a couple of my turntables if their hooked up in the one room. None of the neighbors have ham radios or CB's, where ever it is its not close. Its also happened with a few old cabinet radios that are in the attic yet, each from the 1930's or 40's. and not plugged in.
That's it, exactly why vinyl put me off in the early eighties and I embraced CD. It's so work-intensive. To me it's not at all appealing, I'm a CD/Digital kid and I love it. I while back I was repairing a TT and just for old time sake, tried playing one. It all worked fine but it all came back, the awkwardness and vulnerability of this format. Nice vid!
I am sincerely glad that a young person (like You) (I am already 70 years old.) is interested in vinyl records! I agree with everything, as an addition I would say that you should have a cat that lies on your lap when you listen to music. 😻 🤣Although you have to wake it up at every record page. It occurred to me to take out my old Uher tape recorders. (I have Royal De Luxe and Uher Report Stereo as well.) I became an electrical engineer and sound engineer because of listening to music. I wish you continued success and good health.
I have a LP collection above 700. All that came when I was young overseas brat and later an Airman. My constant frustration was static and dust. Granted this was the 70's and 80's. KLH had their solution, but purists argued that it changed the sound. Discwasher and Zerostat (Milty to the yunguns) was my budget solution. We didn't have affordable ultrasonic cleaning. I wanted music for a long time without interruption, so reel to reel? Recording them all the way through and replenishing them every month for my new records cut into my beer money. Beer won by the way. Finally CD! Expensive at first. Still not analog and not virtually infinite. I tried early streaming which was horrendously compressed making it far worse than pops and clicks. I eventually chose music over "analog purity" and simplicity over tedious. Modern HiDef streaming (mind the gap please, Amazon), HOWEVER there are still indie records that are not available to stream. Plus you will never get that Def Leppard LP outro on streaming! NO
I still own my Thorens TD 280 , my speakers and my amplifier…and still own (the half of ) my vinyls that I bought in my youth. I am 55 now, and bought my last vinyl when I was around 32 yrs old. I didn’t use my vinyl equipment since 19 years, it’s put in storage 😢…because of the lack of space in my flat , but would never want to sell it, cause I might want to install it again some day 😅 I use an Deezer Family account with my kids nowadays, best regards from Germany
Take No Notice whatsoever ! If you're new to the Turntable/Vinyl world get involved ~ It's not 'rocket science', & a half decent 'spinner' can be had for under £300 (especially if you go for a used unit) Remember, 'get involved & have fun' !
Agreed. I got my Technics SL-1300 Mk 2 for $175. It's got the broken cueing mechanism, but other than that, it's a top performer. Also a Sansui SR-525 for about the same money. Also an excellent table. Decent phono preamps can be had cheap, too. I frequent used record stores and lots of bargains still to be had in the $10-15 range.
@edwinhurwitz6792 Yes indeed. I also use vintage equipment : Thorens, Lenco etc ~ Same over here in the UK with plenty of dedicated (used) Record Shops !
I contemplated getting into vinyl a few years back and couldn’t decide if it was really for me. I approached it by first getting a vintage turntable from my brother that needed some minor work (new belt, new cartridge, new mat, and built a platform for it). After getting all that done and dialed in, I played a couple of records to judge how it sounded and was okay with it. After that, I really didn’t do too much else and left the turntable on my set-up for a possible future use. So why did I stop? I simply looked at the prices of new vinyl and couldn’t believe how expensive they had become and I still felt their sound quality was inferior to CD. On top of that, used CD’s are dirt cheap and will always sound better than the majority of used vinyl. Not to mention, I grew up a CD guy and still have a decent size collection of discs along with a number of mostly vintage CD and CD/LD players that still hold up well today. So yeah…. Gonna keep investing in CD and looking to possibly build something more audiophile in quality as time goes on.
Am 70 and gave up on vinyl a few years ago. Still have my vinyl but my passion now is high quality CDs/SACDs (mostly Japanese) and love their sound and convenience. Like the video I focussed on getting a good player DAC. Good video but to me vinyl is more about the passion/nostalgia
I just bought a Denon DP-300F at CostCo for $199! Love it. It’s all I need and I don’t have to rush to lift that needle when the needle reaches the end of the record!
I'm new to vinyl. For Christmas, I've gotten a Sony LX-310BT turntable, Sony SSCS5 speakers, and an Onkyo TX-8220 receiver. I use the sound system for the TV as well connected through a Schiit Modi 3. While I know this is a humble setup, I'm quite enjoying it so far. I'm sure I'll upgrade to more customizable table later on, but I want to be sure that I actually will stick with vinyl. I've only gotten used records so far, mainly because I listen to old classical records that aren't in print. I'm in Austin, so we have a good selection of stores. Before this, I just listened to Tidal and ripped CDs with my Sennheiser HD 6XX and Schitt Asgard 3/Modius stack.
Excellent presentation, and good reality check. Just retired, lots oh hearing loss, and have a nice rig.. . Facing the facts now i cannot drop the $$ on vinyl. In fact, now many of my CD, SACD and ripped media sound great using heavy EQ.. **Love the gold tt by the way..
Hello, I'm watching you from Costa Rica, Happy Hollidays, I noticed that album behind you "Meet the Beatles" I have an original 1964 print, that's the most valuable record of my collection, cheers! Great content
Great Advice and not for everybody ..You have to wiling to properly clean every record you buy new or old before you play it. .Factories do not clean the records and there is industrial residue in new grooves and many older records were never cleaned either and it makes a vast difference in the sound quality as well as making them last longer ,, L Art Du Son is a concentrate I do recommend but there are many others..
lol everytime I pop a record on it feels almost mechanical and timed until the music comes on and it’s bliss.. but having the Jenny say quan is very important indeed
I agree with your opinion on this. Personally I am 61 years old. I saw the decline of the vinyl. However I kept my records and when the vinyl came back I was happy. I put the vinyls on the shelves for a while and after I decided to come back. The main reason was the loudness was on CD that destroyed the music. In 2002 one of my friends decided to part with his Technics SL1200MK2 with an Ortofon Concorde. I bought it then for $400. I never stopped using it since then. I even invested on better cardriges with time. I am now using the Ortofon LVB 250. I already own a 2M Black and I just could have bought a stylus are the LVB is compatible with the 2M Black. What an upgrade. As the canteliver is made of boron, it is thinner and also lighter wich reduces the mass and the response of it is nothing more than phenomenal. But it has to be set up perfectly. Also on the topic of carring about the vinyls I totally agree. It doesn't take much to destroy a record but what bothers me the most is to see someone taking the record out the inner sleeve by pinching it. That makes me cringe everytime. And what is worst is when they return the disc into the inner sleeve they put the opening of it with the opening of the outter sleeve. The inner sleeve is made to protec the record againts its worst ennemy: Dust. The inner sleeve must have its opening up in order to protect it.
Great thoughts. Playing vinyl is like driving a 1966 Ford Mustang. You do that for the ride. Personally I'm too often painting or drawing when I'm listening to music. I just couldn't handle vinyl comfortably among wet acrylic paint or airbrush vapor.
I tried playing a cd once, and just touching it caused me to break out in hives. As you've pointed out here, collecting and playing vinyl can be somewhat challenging, if one lacks the money and required skills to do so. However, it is preferred to having blisters on my fingers from the irritation caused by compact discs.
Love your videos. Informative without being condescending to the beginner, mosh of what I know now is from you, even if that's still very little. Keep em coming! 👌👌
I was born in 53. As far back as I can remember, we had a hi fi system Thorens with neutral positions. Hooked up to old Harman Carden with all the tube's exposed.
I just started getting into this hobby and I did get a cheaper record player but the reason was my mom was diagnosed with late stage cancer couple months before Christmas and I was really getting invested and really looking for a nice table for Christmas but my mom wanted to get me one early because of everything going on we didn't know what was gonna happen with Christmas so I told her to get me a cheap one as I didnt want her to stress breaking the bank, I appreciate her and whatshe did, its nit the ideal table I want but for now it's fine I don't use it much anyway, it was $200 m definitely gonna upgrade later on when I can, I plan on getting a nice thousand dollar one i saw but until then this will do me fine.
Just last week received my AT-LP120USB in that amazing Bronze colour. It is connected to my Yamaha RX-A2A receiver. Processed a bunch of my old LPs (About 75 or so out of the 300 or so that I own through my new Spin-Clean system and all but the very worse (Which might need another pass through) sound amazing. Will be looking into upgrading the cartridge to an Ortofon 2 Red or Blue in the next half year or so. The $30 to $50 / LP is a real drag though. Will be looking at mostly used stuff to get my fix. In all honesty there isn't a whole lot of new stuff that I like anyways. Most of my newer vinyl comes in the way of collectors box anniversary sets like the Rush 40th sets (Yes way more than $35 to $50 but sooooo worth it! lol Plus get the surround versions on Blu-ray etc...). Nice video though. Great for newbies just getting into this.
I was into watches for a while and Randy reminded me there was another type of channel to pay attention to. And I quickly found yours and have enjoyed more than anything I’ve found (except your collection flip. Sorry, we’re different). Mom has a dusty collection. Just sent her the U-turn orbit plus (w/phono stage). She has an old marantz that might still work perfectly. If not, what should her setup be? Powered speakers and a simple streamer. Hint , hint… buy your mom something nice for the holiday.
I had a Duel (made in West Germany) it would true track sideways and even upside down. We put double sided tape on platter to hold record in place. That was my favorite turn table. Now I'm using my mom's old Pioneer with my Fisher Amp.
I absolutely agree with everything you have said regarding the investment of a TT and the other gear involved, (not to mention the cost of LP’s these days!!). Even though I no longer spin vinyl as I did back in the day, I totally get what you’re saying. It’s a reality check for the uninitiated.
11. Realize that almost all "analog from start to finish" vinyl has a digital step during vinyl production...the digital delay to deal with looking into the future while cutting the groves.
I would've gone with the approach " 10 things you must have to own a turntable" If you have time buy, If you have the budget buy it, If you If you .....and so forth! Positive my friend! Salutes! From Sunny Isles Beach 🏖️ 😎✌🏻
You said there are no good options in the $200 dollar to $300 dollar range. The audio technica AT-LP120 is about $250 dollars, I’m why that is not a good option?
i just ordered a Audio-Technica AT-LP60X. $150, i think it's a decent entry level record player from a company that has a reputation to maintain. $1,000 for entry level unit is a little much. the $50 record players are the problem, dirt cheap is dirt cheap for a reason. that junk will destroy your records. i have an older pioneer VSK-515 reciever and 2 pair of polk T15's, a T30 polk center channel and a sub. it doubles as my home threater but for the little money invested, it sounds really good. it doubles as my music rig. i will hook my turn table up to that receiver, i bought the receiver when it was new 20 years ago. the speakers are much more recent.
I bought a Marantz 6300 direct drive record player. I set it up at 16 years old. And, now I’m in my 60’s it’s still use my Marantz 6300. Of course I’ve changed the cartridge and stylus. Many times over the years. But, I believe I bought myself a pretty decent mid range phonograph. I’m currently using a Shure M44-7 that is pretty much new. And, I it’s a good high output cartridge. Anyway. Don’t over think 💭 setting up your TT. Enjoy your records.
It's good as a hobby I have a collection of over 500+ records right from 1964 and 2 vintage 1980s racks sounds good as a change but Cds are more accurate and i love them too❤ LOVE FROM INDIA🇮🇳
Thanks again Bob, good info! No vinyl rabbit hole for me. I have a couple of crates of old records I've had for decades, but no desire to get into the fiddly sport of vinyl. 😂 Just a well sorted streaming setup is all I need.
A turntable takes of a lot of space and also needs a very solid floor/table/stand isolated from bass vibration. Also, most recordings are cut off below 40hz, so having a sub might not be helpful in some setups.
I only buy second-hand records in specialty stores or used record stores. No question of spending $30 or $40 per record. But I only buy perfectly preserved, well-kept records, like those of collectors or music lovers and musicology enthusiasts. 95% of them are recordings of classical works from the classical, post-romantic, modern or contemporary repertoire that are harder to access (Deutsche Grammophone, CBS, Phillips, Decca, Angel., EMI, Hungaroton, Supraphon, etc.). The remaining 5% are vintage Jazz records recorded in the 30s or 40s by major companies (with that old archive sound, a bit like the sound of 78 rpm. And it doesn't cost me very much at all (these records often come from estate sales, etc.). In the classical field it is relatively easy to buy second-hand records in extremely neat condition, or even completely scratch-free. This is much rarer in popular music. My turntable is a Technics from the 80s, SL-D2, fully restored to working order. My amplifier is also a NAD of same period, the 3020i. I bought each of his devices for around $200! The Technics is an excellent turntable. It's extremely easy to adjust it with the pitch, and it's extremely easy to change a cartridge on a Technics, you unscrew and screw a new one in 3 seconds. In my opinion, your video is more of a dramatization that does not correspond to reality and, above all, creates unnecessary complications. This is pure fetishistic delirium, esoteric and sectarian. Unbreathable.
Well and good information, but….. this might be scaring the kids away on how the message is delivered 😢 50+ years ago i had the all in one record player. I played the Tomita Planets album (i only had a handful) through my Koss headphones until it was worn out and distorted. Since then i have owned many more expensive stuff. That was still some of the best musicals experience in my life. Enjoy what you have and can afford. It’s the journey.
I'm a retired EE in my 70s. My record collection ranges from over 120 Edison cylinders, and the Edison Opera model phonograph to play them, through a couple of hundred shellac and clay (not vinyl) 78s, many acoustical recordings (pre-electronic) and a Victrola to play them on with two and a half boxes of 500 per box needles. I have well over 100 45s and a couple of hundred LP 33 1/3s. My turntable for the modern records is a Stanton STR8-80, with two headshells, one with a cartridge for 33 1/3 and 45, and the other with a cartridge for my 78s. I strongly disagree with you about people having to spend huge amounts of money on a turntable. What is most important to preserve vinyl records is that the cartridge be able to track at under 5 grams, 3 even better. True, sound wise the table bearings and speed regulation is important, but with a belt driven table of sufficient mass, and decent bearings, that can be achieved without breaking the bank. For less than $300 the average Joe can get a turntable which will not kill his records, and will provide him with years of enjoyment. Also, who says one has to buy NEW vinyl records? They can be found at thrift stores and yard sales at far less then what new ones cost at retail stores. My generation is passing away fast, and our record collections will be passed on to the new generations, or sold to people who will appreciate them. As for the inexpensive "Crosley" type record players, better that a young person buy that, and be able to enjoy Grandpa's record collection, than the records be thrown away, or sold out of the family. Such record players meet the expectations and hearing acuity of the average person. If they are satisfied and happy, that is what is important. I REALLY HATE audio snobs. When you've spent your working lifetime in electronics, you see right through their BULL5H17.
Hello,
finally a realistic and credible assessment of the subject. Here in Germany, many UA-camrs tell the fairy tale of the fundamentally superior sound of vinyl records.
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I've been in this HIFI game for over 50 years, and I would have to say that generally Vinyl IS superior to digital when everything is at least good quality and synergistic. It takes a lot of time, money, and experience to achieve that, but in my humble opinion, it's worth it. Vinyl... really good vinyl, is better than really good digital, but the difference is shrinking. I use both, but I take my vinyl listening sessions more seriously than my digital sessions. What more need be said?
I'm thinking GIGO applies in most things. Cheap systems and poorly recorded /engineered mediums will show their flaws over better pressings and recordings. And all digital (CD) recordings aren't created equal. Check the SPARS code on the digital medium to see if it's AAD, ADD, or DDD. Not a guarantee but more often than not in my digital rig ADD sounds better to my ears. Dont know if the tube DAC has anything to do with it. Now that turntable in my thumbnail, Dual 1219 (tweaked here and there and rewired tonearm) reproduces clean vinyl very well as does it's stablemates the 701 and 721. I have had some crap TT's in the past that was a waste of $$$. I'll stick to my old dogs until they stop running.
@@thepabs911 Nowt. You covered it concisely and accurately.
I grew up on vinyl, and the ONLY thing I miss about it is shopping for the records. There was a magic to flipping through the LPs and looking at the jacket art and reading the back of the jacket. I do not miss the scratches, or the snap/crackle/pops. And I have never felt digital sound was not as good as LPs. I do miss holding the physical record in my hand also .
I previously dropped a joke on one of your videos about the best upgrade for a turntable is a CD player. It was just a joke...because despite having multiple CD players, a reel to reel, cassette players and streamers, I also have a few turntables and it seems I grab a record and use a turntable more than any other media when I want to just sit back in my "captain's chair" and listen to music. Is it the nostalgia? Is it the involvement it takes? Whatever the appeal, there's just something about vinyl that, while sometimes frustrating, is much more satisfying for me.
Love the content. Keep up the good work.
I'm in the same boat. With streaming, it's 'consumption'. With a technically challenging platform like LPs or reel2reel it more about the situation. What do you want to listen to for the next 25 minutes? Decide, then be in whatever soundscape you chose for the duration. To me, that's an opportunity to listen to something else than just the Hits - and become inspired to listen to more off-the-beaten-track stuff. Explore.
Besides; putting on a record is a ritual! Get your coffee ready, lower the lights, send the missus somewhere faraway to get something - in short, prepare. Then, listen. Forget time and be in the moment. Before you know it, you'll be in the zone :)
@@proverbialmind_spread9421 Thanks... I took no offense. After 33 years of doing morning radio, I can tell who is really coming after me (and I act accordingly!) Your safe! 😀
@@MartinFiltenborg Well, being divorced for a while has it's advantages at times. Like I get to spend my money on audio with no one breathing down my neck about it...get to just kick back and listen to music when I want. When my youngest son moved out, his room became the listening room. So I got a couple of nice setups in that room alone...and other systems throughout the house. No matter where I'm at in my home, I can put on some music and enjoy. Obviously the listening room is the best. My "captains chair" and a loveseat for guests and we just kick back and absorb the sounds. Cheers!
@@proverbialmind_spread9421 What a journey!
I have wondered about that. It is as though there is some quality that is related subconsciously through sound that digital chops up but can't put back together. It can sound great but it's dead. Digital/Analog conversion seems to be like catching a fish and chopping it into pieces. You can take it home and stitch it back together but if you put it in your fish tank, it won't swim.
People come over to the house and see my vinyl collection and they'll tell me they want to get into LPs and want to hear some tunes. I tell them to relax and I'll explain each step I go through to play the music. I'll also briefly explain my gear to play the music. It will take about an hour to show them my steps and play both sides of a genre of music they like. You can tell right away who's a contender and who's a pretender. Good video!
Lol I understand but I'm about 1000% opposite. I WANT people to come over just so I can share my sound with them. Like I'm trying to get my landlord to step in for a minute just to let him hear my system. Like dawg check out this Santana record *pulls out Caravanserai
Vinyl is for music lovers,if you can’t hear the difference between a CD and vinyl,then keep with CD,the rest of us music lovers will carry on listening to true,warm and beautiful vinyl.
@@porky1911 Sounds like you need to replace your cartridge.
@@kraig7777 Or his the stylus.
This guy is 💯 I agree with everything he said. People will say music is music, I'll listen to a song and 30 seconds later and skip to the next. Music is meant to be consumed slowly. Listen to the album, to the complete album. Look at the album cover and the art, see the album the way the artists made it, see the artists vision in its entirety and find the way it connects to your feelings and who you are.
This is great. I have a great vinyl collection and live by these rules. It’s simple, but the most important thing for me is taking care of the records and turntable. Poly lined inner sleeves and cleaning. Putting the vinyl back in the cover after playing with careful storage on the shelf. Sitting down and listening to a full album is something people in general don’t do nowadays. I have a very stressful job and my record room is a decompression chamber of sorts.
Good video. Thanks very much.
I love it! I wish I had a dedicated record room, but my amp and turntable are in my home office. I guess it’s kind of the same thing.
Daunting! I'm glad I bought my first turntable in my teens without barely a thought in my head about it. Still playing my vinyl on the second turntable I ever bought.
I’m still using my first one I bought in 1977. A Marantz 6300 direct drive. I’m well aware it’s not the best TT. But, I sure can’t complain about its quality. It’s 40 something years old and I think it’s going out live me.
@tturner12341 Denon DP 30L. Still works just as well as when I got it 43 years ago. The only reason I might want to upgrade is for the aesthetics. I see so many turntables that are just mind-blowingly beautiful and this is not one of them.
I'm 80 and recently bought myself a Pro-Ject debut evo carbon with a AT-VM95 Shibata. I think this will be my last pick-up. I'm in vinyl since 1967, there was nothing else those days but i'm still a fan and happy with my new Pro-Ject. Hello from Oostende (Belgium) Bob. Love your video's.
@@pancake4425 nice rig!
Great 👌
I bet you have an amazing record collection.
A Music Hall 5.1 would have been a better entry level
@@stevieg2755
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I grew up in the 1970's 80's when vinyl was the norm. I frequently saw the consequences of poorly maintained record collections and turntables, Loose records in the pile, dirty fingerprints, spilled beer, The dreaded dust clump on the needle slowly lifting it from the groove causing major distortion and likely surface damage due to leaving the disc on the turntable for days collecting dust. Time expired, well worn out needles on both high end and cheap turntables alike causing major groove damage. by the time I was a teenager I was well aware of all those 10 things and more
@@rEdf196 Thanks for supporting the premise of my video!
@@rEdf196 digital is just for convenience
@@TrudyTrew K-Tel records were just for convenience too
@@rEdf196 same with me, 55 yrs
One thing that i think people miss is that you also need the room to store your vinyl. CDs and Digital take up very little or no space, but over time a vinyl collection can eventually require its own room. But as someone stated here in the comments, it is 100% a labor of love and a time consuming hobby.
Excactly, thatsthe MAIN reason , that I don’t use my Thorens Player and,y over 200 vinyls , I simply don’t have the space for it 😢.
I'm glad you brought up the cost of the albums themselves. I have a lot of money (for me) in the turntable and amp, but then you have to actually buy the music. At $20 - $50 for one album, the cost adds up very quickly. I absolutely love the sound of the music from a good turntable through a nice tube preamp and good amp - there's nothing like it - but people need to know the cost goes well beyond the cost of the gear.
Bath in the UK here. Bought my second turntable, an upgrade from my Dual to a Linn in 1992, figuring vinyl was dying, at the time it was. But having accumulated at lot of records wanted to make sure had the best I could afford and something that would last. Thirty plus years and one upgraded power supply, I'm so glad I did, couldn’t afford it now.
That's a solid win!
Yep, Time, Patience, and Expense are the trifecta of analog playback. Convenience is the polar opposite of analog, and that's why many of us got lured by the _Perfect Sound Forever_ mantra in the first place. The reward is that when you sit down in the listening chair, your attention is on the _music_ and nothing else until the end of side 'intermission'. Then you know you've got it right.
The "perfect sound forever" CDs only give you 15% of the music! Did you know that? Redbook CDs disregards the extra musical information ubove 20k where all the ambiance and realism is! People that think CDs were the best thing since sliced bread are not deep listeners, most people are background listeners! Nothing wrong with that, but us deep listeners know the rewards and feelings from that! 😊 Once you hear a good LP or reel to reel on a decent system, you can't unhear that! You'll crave more! Deep listening is sooo much more rewarding!😊
When it hits that spot where you go over and stand in the sweet spot for a minute just to soak it in and next thing you know you have moved your chair there until the album is finished. And it can be the most random seeming song, just stand in the sweet spot and you hear things in the music you never heard before.
@@analoguecity3454 This is quite true if you're a bat, maybe a dolphin. Humans over the age of about 10 years can hear very little at 20,000, although there *may* be some sonic overtones there. Those of us who grew up listening to FM stereo didn't mind that it topped out at 15,000 Hz. I've been in studios with multitrack reel to reel at 15ips & listening to CD doesn't make me miss that anymore than listening to a good LP. You don't have a monopoly on "deep listening."
Vinyl is a Hobby within a Hobby. I got rid of my vinyl in the mid 80's while in the military. CD'S were coming out. The whole mobile thing was an issue. time was an issue. And you're right, so was having patience.
I'm stying clear of Vinyl and cassettes CD'S sound good, easy storage, long life, little to no maintenance, and I don't have to worry about shaky hands, and they are affordable. Don't get me wrong, Vinyl is cool, but I'm not going down that rabbit hole again.
Great video, maybe you can show us your CD rig, lol.
If you are a critical listener, you will notice that most CD's are compressed horribly. Not a fault of the format but of the crappy CD producing companies.
Boy are you missing out, you must be a background listener!😮
@@analoguecity3454LOL
Just like most hobbies, such as woodworking or fixing old cars, vinyl is a labor of love, and if you don’t love to labor on your love, it’s probably not for you. Great advice!
@@mph7282 thanks! I'm glad you "got it!"
I think that turntables are works of art. I really do. I just don't like vinyl. I always wait for the snap crackle and pop. My wife surprised me with a CD player for my birthday in 1985 and I sold most of my records. I just donated my TT to a charity store. I still love your vinyl videos and I still think vinyl is cool. I want to thank you for this incredibly honest and detailed video!
You're welcome. Out paths are the same, except I went and dipped into another collection! Dumb
This is excellent. I haven’t had a turntable in 20+ years. Part of a mammoth rack that had to go when I got married. I’ve come to realize that I’m not really listening to music in the car, AirPods, phone etc. I miss the experience and tactile interaction and regret that my kids don’t know what a record is! Your talking points are spot on. I’m easing back in….dreaded suitcase record player….but want to make sure it will be enjoyable, budget, space constraints etc. a lot cheaper to start with a $100 item and reassess than to go whole hog on TT, amp, speakers etc.
Playing CD'S is listening to music, playing a turntable is being involved in a hobby and having an impact on your listening.
Exactly why I abandoned turntables. I want to listen to music, not deal with the quirks and difficulties of technology.
I do mostly streaming now, if done right, it can sound really good. Play for hours w/o any fuss.
@@RobertR3750I only use CDs for casual listening.
Got myself a sweet old Technics record stacker and stack 5 or 6 lps and listen for couple hours at a time...got a CD player also...cuz u are correct listening to music is what I do
I only listen to cds 💿 ❤
Amazing, excellent explanation about this subject, which is a project and/or hobby for some people, I just watched this video twice, because I see this information valuable specially for people (beginners) that just started to get interested in vinyl records👍
Hi, I'm new to your channel, as this video popped up in my recommended. I watched it all the way through, and loved every bit of it! Here's my response:
It's nice to see someone so passionate about not just vinyl or just turntables, but the entirety of the investment as well. Everyone knows that love is not a sprint, it is a marathon, and turntables are definitely a huge love of mine. I currently own three rigs:
1) Stanton ST-100
2) Stanton ST-150 (The original blue one with the old logo, not the dark grey re-release with the modern logo)
3) Gemini PDT-6000
I love all three of these turntables, and vinyl is definitely an immersive experience all the way around. I someday hope to obtain the elusive Numark X2 Hybrid Turntable, as it will be the final nail in the coffin to my turntable collection. In my opinion, it is the holy grail of turntables, and I hope it will serve as a killer grand finale for my obsessive turntable collecting.
This was a truly enjoyable and entertaining video. I subscribed!
Loved the honesty in this video! Subscribing!
Very cool, informative, REALISTIC presentation! As one who has taken a DEEP dive into this world just 8 short months ago, I can attest to the fact that this can be PRICEY! More than 300 pieces of vinyl and a vintage Pioneer turntable piped into my Bose 321 system.....ah yes, it sounds divine. DONT FORGET YOUR PREAMP!!!! Have fun, enjoy, and I am looking forward to Bob's videos. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, y'all!
Still have my Marantz 6300 .It operates beautifully. Maintenance is the key.great video.And Happy Holidays.
@@spyder8986 I wish I'd kept my Marantz turntable!!!
I have the same one and I’ve been using it since…1977 I think. I never stopped buying vinyl. Even in the 90’s 00’s and teens. Also I’m a huge House Music fan and it was always pressed on vinyl through the years. 😊😊 #keepspinning
@@UnitedStatesofAnalogI’m still using my 6300.
all excellent points. I've been in the game for almost 50 years. Love my vinyl and turntable
Bob, I think you nailed it. I have a turntable, a cd player, and a streamer. Most of the time I stream, just due to convenience and the limitations of a turntable. I do like the way some records sound versus the cd or streaming, but you have to have the patience and time to listen that way. Unlike many younger folks, when I stream, I typically listen to a full album just like I do when I spin a record. All formats have their place and their benefits.
@@neilfisher7999 Thanksgor the notes, Beil! I'm happy you got it figured out!
I am the same way. I also have a streamer, CD player and turntable. The streaming is indeed a nice convenience, especially when I can buy albums off of Bandcamp and then being able to download them directly to my music server. However, there is just something really nice about having physical media, for which CDs is the next best for convenience, and then the records. I grew up through the 70s and 80s at a time when that was the basically the only way to play music was on records or cassette. There is just something so cool and nostalgic about getting out a record, placing it on the turntable, giving the record a quick brushing to remove dust/static, hearing that ever so subtle "vroomf" when the needle touches the surface, and then the music starts playing. If you want pure convenience, streaming is the way, but if you really want to have that tactile experience along with your music playing, then playing vinyl is how to experience that, with CDs somewhere in the middle (still got that tactile experience, but with more of the convenience like with streaming - just put the disk in and hit "play").
Great video! As an oldster who had a turntable based stereo until the 1990s, when it was destroyed in a flood, I'm rebooting.
And finding out that a.) I have to get my wife to agree to allow a big, hot tube amp in the living room or b.) A big Sansui receiver and c.) find the modern equivalent of a discwasher and d.) a zerostate and e.) teach my adult kids to hold the records with touching only the edge and the center label and hole and f.) get used to listening a full time at a side. Oh! and g.) allow my family to place my speakers in prime living room space so that the sound is optimum when I'm seated on my favorite couch!
@@mscommerce You have a lot of work to do, my friend! I know a lot of people and I'm the only one I know that cares anything at all about audio. We are part of a small, but proud group in niche hobby!
Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
I have a Music Hall turntable! And I have a Pioneer RT-1020L reel to reel tape deck! I have two Tascam CD player/recorders, I have a Klipsch 7.1 surround sound speaker system. All are connected to my Yamaha A/V Aventage RX-A2A receiver! I also have my Dish Network receiver connected to my Yamaha 7.2 receiver, as well as my computer desktop. I use my 55 inch VIZIO TV as my computer monitor! I have around 1100 vinyl records, 1600 CDs, and around 1500 movies on DVD & Blu-ray. I also have 120 DVD/Blu-ray Rock concerts & documentaries! I use my two Tascam player/recorders to record CDs digitally!
@@fredmccarroll3476 wow! What a system!
G'Day Bob from the Sunshine Coast in Queensland, Australia.
Just stumbled across your video and got to say I absolutely LOVED it!
My dad opened a hi-fi store in 1975 and I have been involved in the family business ever since. I am now 56 and still love selling hi-fi systems and especially record players to my customers.
It always makes us giggle to ourselves when we hear the old "vinyl is making a comeback" line as, as far as we are concerned, it never went away! It is nice, though, to see more and more people getting back into vinyl, especially those who have grown up listening to digital music on bluetooth speakers. The looks on their faces when they hear a great analog system for the first time is delicious.
Anyway, Loved the video, it reminds me so much of what I say to people all the time about don't get into vinyl if your'e not serious about it.
It's not convenient, it's not cheap, and it's not easy, but, by god, it sounds so good whn you hit that sweet spot in your fave album.
And returning to the concept of actually listening to an album from start to finish is something so many have never experienced until they play a record.
I look forward to now trawling all your other videos and telling everyone to watch them.
I hope you don't mind if I use this one to introduce some people to our vinyl nirvana when they ask about why our turntables cost so much more that the plastic suitcase one they just saw at the local department store.
Cheers,
Tony
Outstanding video Bobby!! My 2 nephews are getting into vinyl. I just sent them this video to further enlighten them in their analog journey.
@@janglyriff 😎 Cool... I hope I also give the hope and some things to think about!
This video is probably the most beneficial video for someone that loves music and equipment but is new to turntables.
I purchased a very cheap used turntable by default when shopping for an ultra budget second hand system for fun.
Once I heard the turntable I loved it. 6 months later I acquired about 20-25 albums. Now 2.5 years later I can’t even remember the last time I used that system.
It’s not because the system is bad, it’s because of the dedication it takes to listen to records. Up and down, up and down. Trying to cook, clean or whatever just doesn’t work.
I am very thankful I lucked out with not having spent tons of money. If I saw this video I might have skipped the turntable all together. Also glad I didn’t do that 😊
Owned and been around turntables my whole life and pulling a record out of its sleeve, taking my time to set the stylus and moving at a slow and relaxed pace is something that never gets old for me. I find that a very enjoyable experience. You just don’t get the same feel streaming or with CD’s. ❤
I bought my first Turntuble yesterday so wish me luck 😂😂.. but spend a lot of time listening music .. I still buy CD's, Cassettes and Vinyl (even without having Turtable) and I know that it takes time and I am willing to invest time in learning how to use it and take care of it.
Some other things, if you decide you want a vintage turntable, prepare for the expense of hiring a tech to repair it and keep it running, especially if you don't have mechanical/electronics aptitude. Oh, ask around your town if there are any shops that service the vintage units, shipping turntables is a dicey proposition and you want to stay local for service, Thanks for a great video!
@@renderingrocks That was #11
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog oops, sorry, i was cooking dinner while watching and missed your #11, sorry :(
Buying a quality vinyl system from table to speakers was the most satisfying experience. Once figured out the sound I liked, the equipment purchases felt like the easy part.
The hard part I had to learn was how to shop for quality records. Building a collection of records that I love and want to play required the commitment to searching and researching the best available pressings. Mistakes were definitely made in the beginning. I feel like I have the buying process dialed in now. Sometimes I get a poor pressing, but it is rare. Last poor press I got was the Atlantic 75 Phil Collins’ Face Value from AP.
Excellent video!!
I'm always getting people asking me these things on a fairly regular basis. Rather than take my time to explain it all to them in future i shall just direct them to this video. It will give you more views and save me a heap of time. We both win. Keep up the great content!
Yes, dissuade is a word Bob, but I doubt your projected enthusiasm dissuaded anyone from this vinyl hobby. A fun video, as entertaining as always.
@@boatformypotplants Thanks for both tiers of your validation!
Thank you for giving us all the hard TRUTH. I have yet to see someone else go into the detail of the honest aspects of owning and operating the wondrous and imperfect hardware equipment that is a proper turntable and what is truly involved. 👍😊
@@zephead64 I truly don't want to discourage music lovers... but, I have found many people don't fully think it out! I'm glad you "got!"
CDs for me! Seriously, I'm just a bit lazy but I love these kinds of videos. Keep it up!
@@jimx1169 Thanks, Jim! You do you!
BRAVO Bob ..... EVERY person needs to Hear your advice !!!! You are AWESOME Sir ...
@@mikegallagher2732 Thanks, Mike!
I love listening to records, been doing it for over 50 years now. Its not a hobby,its entertainment..had some of these lps for 50 years now and they sound good and believe me i never treated them with any special care other than common sense!! They aint gold ..play em and enjoy them thats what there for
@@PatrickRyder-k1n I don't disagree, but I do believe this hobby attracts many of us with a touch of OCD. I'm glad your process works for you. That's all that counts! Rock on!
Very nice presentation...this definitely a different spin on tt's and the best info. Ive heard yet,cheers
@@rjh0566 Thank you!
Music is so much more enjoyable the vinyl way. I'm old-school though. The listening to a vinyl album experience is a rewarding ritual.
The ritual of it is a huge part of the experience I also revel in.
Dissuade is correct...good usage...excellent presentation, covering the minimal requirements to make listening to records enjoyable(despite all that is required)...(David)
Concerning Point 7: This is the main reason I purchased a fully automatic turntable (a Sony Linear Tracking Turntable). I was concerned about accidently damaging my LPs and 45s, so I purchased a turntable where I never had to handle the tonearm except for replace the P-Mount cartridge. That way all I had to do is put the LP/45 on the turntable, set the speed, and press play.
But doing all of it manually is part of the fun. I am totally the opposite. I have a fully manual turntable with no automatics. That’s my main turntable, but I do also have a fully automatic turntable from the 70s.
I like both. I had a semiautomatic for 20 years and recently upgraded to a full manual. And it test drove a full auto for week, long enough to fall in love with the convenience. I want to get a decent full auto now to use for parties or during the day when I don't feel like being careful. But I want one that looks good lol
@@postersm7141 I never really enjoyed LPs and 45s, they were just the best that was available when I was growing up. I never felt the romance of playing records. At one point I almost went with cassette (I had a good portable stereo [similar to a boombox but it looked like an actual piece of audio equipment] and went on a cassette buying binge) but unfortunately the quality of cassettes just wasn't that good, so I returned to LPs and 45s until the CD came out.
Great video fellow. Greetings from Portugal. I started with a 100€ used Philips Electronic, and in 2 years I just Achieved my GoldNote Pianosa with Donatello cartidge. In the middle there are several Thorens from the 60’s to 80’s. Enjoy the ride you all
For total newbs to audio, I think investing in an Audio Technical LP70x Turntable is a great start. Then, I'd pair it with a pair of powered speakers that has a sub-out. Upgrade paths on the cartridge stylus are available and a sub will fill out the sound of more affordable active speakers. For Edifier, usually model numbers that end in "s" have a sub out. I'd add a carbon fiber record brush & a stylus brush. Lastly, I'd get a Spin Clean.
@@SnapperX3 All points I have made in the past! Thanks!
@snapperx3 I just received an audio technica lp120xusb as a gift. What speakers would you recommend?
@@Jonnys_OutdoorAdventures What is your budget?
Some good points made in this video. One thing I'd add is the importance of knowing where to position your deck, what type of furniture it should be on, etc. Things like this can drastically affect the sound depending on a number of factors.
The biggest mistake I see online when people share their rigs is the "lifestyle setup" where the turntable is on the same piece of furniture as the bookshelf speakers or right next to one of the towers. Many manufacturers even share these types of photos, but it's not going to make for the best sound as the vibrations from the speakers will go right into the deck and degrade your sound quality.
Physics doesn't care how your setup looks on Instagram or what you or your partner think looks good. The best sound quality may very well involve a less aesthetically pleasing arrangement. If you're just getting into this sub-hobby, doing your research is pretty important if you want to get the best sound. I wish the barrier to entry wasn't so high, but if you don't do your homework, you're not getting the most out of your system and you may even be throwing a good deal of money away. And I'm not talking about super expensive audiophile-quality systems, this is really for any level of gear.
Hello from Argentina!! GREAT VIDEO BTW!!! 10 thing that I had hate before the digital era were invented! I'd love the streaming era with 53 year old, I know that records sound quality is unique, and I do respect the analog fans... just enjoy the music!
@@rodrigoroyan4890 Amen my South American brother!
Hi from the UK gave up on vinyl in early 90's & have used CD's ever since, last turntable i owned was an Ariston RD40, Mission 774LC tonearm & Nagaoka MP11 boron cartridge. good video as well.
I loved this entire video as it sums up the reality of delving into the vinyl game perfectly. I just got back into it after about 30+ years. A few points. The expense had seemed quite high, until you adjust for inflation and realize it's pretty much the same as it was back in the day. I think some of us who got out and just came back have forgotten how pricey it actually was. Another point, after a couple of mishaps (all with new, and thus easily replaceable, vinyl thank goodness) I relearned the fact that ergonomics is a critical piece of the vinyl puzzle. Get the turntable to the right height to use comfortably, and safely. I have also thrown my back out using a far too low platform for my turntable, playing vinyl takes a lot of interaction and repeatedly bending over at the waist too far wasn't kind to my wonky back. Those last two items have led to me buying a new rack, which I will also place closer to my listening position for even more convenience. Another good investment, a magnifying light, you'll need it to do things related to adjusting your cartridge if you have to make any changes. Even good, or corrected, 20/20 vision isn't good enough for that task. Oh, and you haven't lived until you've dealt with a cartridge protractor! All I can say is - PACK YOUR PATIENCE! LOL!
Bob!!! You're 1st presenter that has laid down mimimum prerequisites for 'having' a turntable. Bravo to challenging potential TT'ers to take the red or blue pill.
I try to make it easy, but sometimes you gotta take the red pill!
Not only that! He said "there's a lot of times vinyl sounds like hot ass".
As a begginer, i can tell how assholes these 'analog audiophiles' can be by saying how vinyls are better or something like this. By their tone, looks like the main fault is the 'gear' not properly set up and you should spend double the amount. Something that has to be said to newcomers to the hobby is what's gonna happen a lot of times and what to expect no matter what.
Glad I've seen this video so I can recommend to anyone willing to start.
Your absolutely right, I'm a new subscriber BTW!😊 I'm from Greenville NC!😊
Great video and great sense of humor! Many audiophile channel guys are boring and no fun. Keep it up. Thanks!
@@jakedavis2838 That's what I'm going for. Thanks for spotting it!!!
The founder of Schiit took one listen to the U Turn ($400) and said he was out of the TT biz. That's how good those U Turns are, add a decent cart and the Schiit Skoll (if your rig is balanced) and you are there. Study your TT before you buy, the Regas I looked at required a drop / pull while spinning. Seems weird. Technics SL-1500C is all you'd ever need.
Hi, what do you mean by “if your rig is balanced”? Which UTurn do you recommend and with what cartridge? Also, what is the difference between the SL-1500C and the SL-100C?
I'm 65 and still have the Rega Planar 2 I bought when I was 20..........Got the receipt too!
You took good care of that!
@@UnitedStatesofAnalog Thank you......... and it's in mint condition. Cherished!
An original owner of a mint Technics SL 1100a with the original Shure V15 III purchased in 1975…still runs like the first day I bought it. Love it.
@@MC-bg7ro When my 26 year old daughter was 16, she pointed to my Rega and asked what it was. I explained and got an album out and said "this is how we listened to music when I was your age" We played some albums and she was very impressed. When her 18th birthday was approaching I asked her what she'd like for a present and she replied "a turntable like yours Dad". Found a Rega 2 on ebay, minus the wood surround mine has, and over time she got an amp and speakers. You've got to bring them up right! :)
@@stoptheworldiwannagetoff4780 GREAT STORY!
Nice vid. You're absolutely right about many facts! I've owned three turntables: 1) Pioneer PL-Z85, (plasticky shitty model from a great brand) which had supported lot of disassembling to fix things like belt and motor adaptations, addition of phono preamp, etc. She finished mostly destroyed. 2) Sony PS-Q7, oh... I still miss that little sucker. I have to dismiss it due to diabolically unattainable stylus replacement and failed cartridge adaptation. 3) (actually) Audio Technica AT LP120 USB, bought seconhand, with aftermarket cartridge (Ortofon Super OM10, replacement due because worn OEM stylus) she gives to me the better of both worlds: I can easily do digital recordings, (not from USB but attaching outputs to audio interface) and the analog playback (Line Out) is very good at least for my ears. If I had enough room, I would surely look for another TT to accompany the AT 😆😆😆 But it is a luxury that I cannot afford for now. Thanks for the video!
I bought the bulk of my vinyl collection in the late 80's and 90's when everyone was dumping them for cd's . I bought most of my system used piece by piece over the years at estate sales, including my tt. I likely don't have 500 in everything over 45 or so years. The biggest issues I've had with listening to vinyl have been more related to room acoustics or a shit local power supply. For what ever reason I get terrible feedback and noise from all my tt's here, none of which was problem at my old house.
Back in the 90's it was common to find yardsales with records for four for a dollar or less, or free. Having plenty of storage space helped so I brought home tons of records back then, I sat on them for years later selling off the duplicates and unwanted genre albums on fleabay and keeping what I liked for myself I've narrowed it down to about 900 albums and maybe twice that number of vintage 45's. '
The problem is they sounded way better in my old house, same system, same tt but it sounds terrible here giving me poor sound, noise, and feedback. Its so bad that simply walking by the tt creates a hum with the cartridge becoming microphonic and sensitive to nearby objects. I have 12 tt's ranging from a Technics SL1200, to a Riga P3, to a Pioneer PL530.
All worked great and sounded fantastic in my old house, and even play fine at a buddies house, but her I get nothing but noise, low volume, an tons of feedback. I've pretty much considered my vinyl collection sort of dormant until this gets sorted out somehow. CD's and Cassettes sound fine, radio is about nil here with poor reception and a ton of interference from nearby power lines and cell towers I suppose. and being more than 50 miles from the nearest broadcast tower don't help that much either. I put my tuner away as well after realizing there's nothing to hear on the radio here that I cared to listen to.
Get an electrician in your home to put in a seperate power supply in your home.
@@paulomontero12 9 years ago the whole house was rewired, no more than two outlets to a breaker, 100 amp panel, new everything out to the meter. It changed nothing.
What i can't understand is why a tt that works just fine at my buddies house four miles away on the same amp and speakers, won't play loud enough to hear 10 feet away and the minute i switch to Phono on the amp the cartridge acts like a microphone reacting to me standing next to the thing. It hums loudly when i move my hand near it.
I have one of those little outlet testers, it says the outlet is fine. The TT is grounded to the amp, and I've tried multiple amps and multiple TT's and all do the same thing.
The worst was a Beogram, it would make loud popping, machine gun noises when I touched the arm or got near the cartridge.
It worked just fine at my buddies place.
When I first moved here there was an old console stereo in the living room that was left behind by the last owners. It worked and I used it while we repainted, rewired, and re-carpeted the house then. The TT worked but barely, an old ceramic cartridge BSR tt with a heavy cast aluminum tone arm.
I finally tore it apart and got rid of it because even when it was turned off, it would trumpet out radio calls from some two way radio or cb. It would happen randomly, and was loud. I thought someone was playing around when it happened the first time but we all sat there one night and could listen in to half of someone's conversation with the thing sitting in the middle of the floor covered up in paint tarps and unplugged, with no power in the house at the time. I sometimes still hear that through a couple of my turntables if their hooked up in the one room. None of the neighbors have ham radios or CB's, where ever it is its not close. Its also happened with a few old cabinet radios that are in the attic yet, each from the 1930's or 40's. and not plugged in.
That's it, exactly why vinyl put me off in the early eighties and I embraced CD. It's so work-intensive. To me it's not at all appealing, I'm a CD/Digital kid and I love it. I while back I was repairing a TT and just for old time sake, tried playing one. It all worked fine but it all came back, the awkwardness and vulnerability of this format. Nice vid!
I am sincerely glad that a young person (like You) (I am already 70 years old.) is interested in vinyl records! I agree with everything, as an addition I would say that you should have a cat that lies on your lap when you listen to music. 😻 🤣Although you have to wake it up at every record page. It occurred to me to take out my old Uher tape recorders. (I have Royal De Luxe and Uher Report Stereo as well.) I became an electrical engineer and sound engineer because of listening to music. I wish you continued success and good health.
Great video, lots of good advice and most of which im trying explaining to my 15yo whos just getting into it. Watching from Melbourne Australia
I'm so glad I found your channel my friend 🤘✌️ I've been having lots of fun here
@@dimebagdave77 thanks, Dime. Good to see you here again!
I have a LP collection above 700. All that came when I was young overseas brat and later an Airman.
My constant frustration was static and dust. Granted this was the 70's and 80's. KLH had their solution, but purists argued that it changed the sound. Discwasher and Zerostat (Milty to the yunguns) was my budget solution. We didn't have affordable ultrasonic cleaning.
I wanted music for a long time without interruption, so reel to reel? Recording them all the way through and replenishing them every month for my new records cut into my beer money. Beer won by the way.
Finally CD! Expensive at first. Still not analog and not virtually infinite.
I tried early streaming which was horrendously compressed making it far worse than pops and clicks.
I eventually chose music over "analog purity" and simplicity over tedious. Modern HiDef streaming (mind the gap please, Amazon), HOWEVER there are still indie records that are not available to stream. Plus you will never get that Def Leppard LP outro on streaming! NO
Love your story! Rock on, my brother!
I still own my Thorens TD 280 , my speakers and my amplifier…and still own (the half of ) my vinyls that I bought in my youth. I am 55 now, and bought my last vinyl when I was around 32 yrs old.
I didn’t use my vinyl equipment since 19 years, it’s put in storage 😢…because of the lack of space in my flat , but would never want to sell it, cause I might want to install it again some day 😅
I use an Deezer Family account with my kids nowadays, best regards from Germany
Take No Notice whatsoever ! If you're new to the Turntable/Vinyl world get involved ~ It's not 'rocket science', & a half decent 'spinner' can be had for under £300 (especially if you go for a used unit) Remember, 'get involved & have fun' !
@@GrahamDyson-h9z Agreed
Agreed. I got my Technics SL-1300 Mk 2 for $175. It's got the broken cueing mechanism, but other than that, it's a top performer. Also a Sansui SR-525 for about the same money. Also an excellent table. Decent phono preamps can be had cheap, too. I frequent used record stores and lots of bargains still to be had in the $10-15 range.
@edwinhurwitz6792 Yes indeed. I also use vintage equipment : Thorens, Lenco etc ~ Same over here in the UK with plenty of dedicated (used) Record Shops !
I agree. You could spend years trying to figure out the best equipment for your budget and then spend years more. Dive in and see if you enjoy it.
I contemplated getting into vinyl a few years back and couldn’t decide if it was really for me. I approached it by first getting a vintage turntable from my brother that needed some minor work (new belt, new cartridge, new mat, and built a platform for it). After getting all that done and dialed in, I played a couple of records to judge how it sounded and was okay with it.
After that, I really didn’t do too much else and left the turntable on my set-up for a possible future use.
So why did I stop?
I simply looked at the prices of new vinyl and couldn’t believe how expensive they had become and I still felt their sound quality was inferior to CD. On top of that, used CD’s are dirt cheap and will always sound better than the majority of used vinyl. Not to mention, I grew up a CD guy and still have a decent size collection of discs along with a number of mostly vintage CD and CD/LD players that still hold up well today.
So yeah…. Gonna keep investing in CD and looking to possibly build something more audiophile in quality as time goes on.
Am 70 and gave up on vinyl a few years ago. Still have my vinyl but my passion now is high quality CDs/SACDs (mostly Japanese) and love their sound and convenience. Like the video I focussed on getting a good player DAC. Good video but to me vinyl is more about the passion/nostalgia
@@tgoodacre thanks for your honesty. I understand completely
I just bought a Denon DP-300F at CostCo for $199! Love it. It’s all I need and I don’t have to rush to lift that needle when the needle reaches the end of the record!
I'm new to vinyl. For Christmas, I've gotten a Sony LX-310BT turntable, Sony SSCS5 speakers, and an Onkyo TX-8220 receiver. I use the sound system for the TV as well connected through a Schiit Modi 3.
While I know this is a humble setup, I'm quite enjoying it so far. I'm sure I'll upgrade to more customizable table later on, but I want to be sure that I actually will stick with vinyl.
I've only gotten used records so far, mainly because I listen to old classical records that aren't in print. I'm in Austin, so we have a good selection of stores.
Before this, I just listened to Tidal and ripped CDs with my Sennheiser HD 6XX and Schitt Asgard 3/Modius stack.
Information and humor well taken 😂! I wish that I knew all of this back in the 80s...who says you can't teach an old dog NEW tricks😅! Thank you 😊!
Excellent presentation, and good reality check.
Just retired, lots oh hearing loss, and have a nice rig.. .
Facing the facts now i cannot drop the $$ on vinyl.
In fact, now many of my CD, SACD and ripped media sound great using heavy EQ..
**Love the gold tt by the way..
Hello, I'm watching you from Costa Rica, Happy Hollidays, I noticed that album behind you "Meet the Beatles" I have an original 1964 print, that's the most valuable record of my collection, cheers! Great content
Good stuff. And the mandarin trick worked, you looked more chilled.
@@steveh545 Yeah. I got the idea when I saw a successful UA-camr peeling bananas in an unrelated video! I'll use a baseball next time
Great Advice and not for everybody ..You have to wiling to properly clean every record you buy new or old before you play it. .Factories do not clean the records and there is industrial residue in new grooves and many older records were never cleaned either and it makes a vast difference in the sound quality as well as making them last longer ,, L Art Du Son is a concentrate I do recommend but there are many others..
lol everytime I pop a record on it feels almost mechanical and timed until the music comes on and it’s bliss.. but having the Jenny say quan is very important indeed
I agree with your opinion on this. Personally I am 61 years old. I saw the decline of the vinyl. However I kept my records and when the vinyl came back I was happy. I put the vinyls on the shelves for a while and after I decided to come back. The main reason was the loudness was on CD that destroyed the music. In 2002 one of my friends decided to part with his Technics SL1200MK2 with an Ortofon Concorde. I bought it then for $400. I never stopped using it since then. I even invested on better cardriges with time. I am now using the Ortofon LVB 250. I already own a 2M Black and I just could have bought a stylus are the LVB is compatible with the 2M Black. What an upgrade. As the canteliver is made of boron, it is thinner and also lighter wich reduces the mass and the response of it is nothing more than phenomenal. But it has to be set up perfectly. Also on the topic of carring about the vinyls I totally agree. It doesn't take much to destroy a record but what bothers me the most is to see someone taking the record out the inner sleeve by pinching it. That makes me cringe everytime. And what is worst is when they return the disc into the inner sleeve they put the opening of it with the opening of the outter sleeve. The inner sleeve is made to protec the record againts its worst ennemy: Dust. The inner sleeve must have its opening up in order to protect it.
Glad you're still in the vinyl game. Thanks for the notes... and keep enjoying the music... that's what it's all about!
Great thoughts. Playing vinyl is like driving a 1966 Ford Mustang. You do that for the ride. Personally I'm too often painting or drawing when I'm listening to music. I just couldn't handle vinyl comfortably among wet acrylic paint or airbrush vapor.
Real Talk. I've never thought of myself as patient or flexible but maybe djing on turntables has helped me be better at these things. 😊
I tried playing a cd once, and just touching it caused me to break out in hives. As you've pointed out here, collecting and playing vinyl can be somewhat challenging, if one lacks the money and required skills to do so. However, it is preferred to having blisters on my fingers from the irritation caused by compact discs.
Love your videos. Informative without being condescending to the beginner, mosh of what I know now is from you, even if that's still very little. Keep em coming! 👌👌
I was born in 53. As far back as I can remember, we had a hi fi system Thorens with neutral positions. Hooked up to old Harman Carden with all the tube's exposed.
I just started getting into this hobby and I did get a cheaper record player but the reason was my mom was diagnosed with late stage cancer couple months before Christmas and I was really getting invested and really looking for a nice table for Christmas but my mom wanted to get me one early because of everything going on we didn't know what was gonna happen with Christmas so I told her to get me a cheap one as I didnt want her to stress breaking the bank, I appreciate her and whatshe did, its nit the ideal table I want but for now it's fine I don't use it much anyway, it was $200 m definitely gonna upgrade later on when I can, I plan on getting a nice thousand dollar one i saw but until then this will do me fine.
Just last week received my AT-LP120USB in that amazing Bronze colour. It is connected to my Yamaha RX-A2A receiver. Processed a bunch of my old LPs (About 75 or so out of the 300 or so that I own through my new Spin-Clean system and all but the very worse (Which might need another pass through) sound amazing. Will be looking into upgrading the cartridge to an Ortofon 2 Red or Blue in the next half year or so. The $30 to $50 / LP is a real drag though. Will be looking at mostly used stuff to get my fix. In all honesty there isn't a whole lot of new stuff that I like anyways. Most of my newer vinyl comes in the way of collectors box anniversary sets like the Rush 40th sets (Yes way more than $35 to $50 but sooooo worth it! lol Plus get the surround versions on Blu-ray etc...). Nice video though. Great for newbies just getting into this.
I was into watches for a while and Randy reminded me there was another type of channel to pay attention to. And I quickly found yours and have enjoyed more than anything I’ve found (except your collection flip. Sorry, we’re different).
Mom has a dusty collection. Just sent her the U-turn orbit plus (w/phono stage). She has an old marantz that might still work perfectly. If not, what should her setup be? Powered speakers and a simple streamer.
Hint , hint… buy your mom something nice for the holiday.
As a 61 year old ex audiophile, I appreciate the points mentioned.... precision, patience and passion.😁👍
I had a Duel (made in West Germany) it would true track sideways and even upside down. We put double sided tape on platter to hold record in place. That was my favorite turn table. Now I'm using my mom's old Pioneer with my Fisher Amp.
I absolutely agree with everything you have said regarding the investment of a TT and the other gear involved, (not to mention the cost of LP’s these days!!). Even though I no longer spin vinyl as I did back in the day, I totally get what you’re saying. It’s a reality check for the uninitiated.
11. Realize that almost all "analog from start to finish" vinyl has a digital step during vinyl production...the digital delay to deal with looking into the future while cutting the groves.
Great overview. Looking forward to listening to real depth of sound again. Thank you
@@dpledoone go for it!
I would've gone with the approach " 10 things you must have to own a turntable"
If you have time buy,
If you have the budget buy it,
If you
If you .....and so forth!
Positive my friend!
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You said there are no good options in the $200 dollar to $300 dollar range. The audio technica AT-LP120 is about $250 dollars, I’m why that is not a good option?
@@AaronRood-x1y No prob with that deck. The retail on that is $350. Looks like it's a smashing deal now. Go for it! Thanks!
Good turntable for that price, easy to use. I bought mine a year ago
i just ordered a Audio-Technica AT-LP60X. $150, i think it's a decent entry level record player from a company that has a reputation to maintain. $1,000 for entry level unit is a little much. the $50 record players are the problem, dirt cheap is dirt cheap for a reason. that junk will destroy your records.
i have an older pioneer VSK-515 reciever and 2 pair of polk T15's, a T30 polk center channel and a sub. it doubles as my home threater but for the little money invested, it sounds really good. it doubles as my music rig. i will hook my turn table up to that receiver, i bought the receiver when it was new 20 years ago. the speakers are much more recent.
how does the dual 618q sound for my first turntable?
I bought a Marantz 6300 direct drive record player. I set it up at 16 years old. And, now I’m in my 60’s it’s still use my Marantz 6300. Of course I’ve changed the cartridge and stylus. Many times over the years. But, I believe I bought myself a pretty decent mid range phonograph. I’m currently using a Shure M44-7 that is pretty much new. And, I it’s a good high output cartridge. Anyway. Don’t over think 💭 setting up your TT. Enjoy your records.
It's good as a hobby I have a collection of over 500+ records right from 1964 and 2 vintage 1980s racks sounds good as a change but Cds are more accurate and i love them too❤ LOVE FROM INDIA🇮🇳
Thanks again Bob, good info! No vinyl rabbit hole for me. I have a couple of crates of old records I've had for decades, but no desire to get into the fiddly sport of vinyl. 😂 Just a well sorted streaming setup is all I need.
@@toddt5562 If the records are old but you still want to hear them, get and inexpensive setup and just have fun!
A turntable takes of a lot of space and also needs a very solid floor/table/stand isolated from bass vibration. Also, most recordings are cut off below 40hz, so having a sub might not be helpful in some setups.
I only buy second-hand records in specialty stores or used record stores. No question of spending $30 or $40 per record. But I only buy perfectly preserved, well-kept records, like those of collectors or music lovers and musicology enthusiasts. 95% of them are recordings of classical works from the classical, post-romantic, modern or contemporary repertoire that are harder to access (Deutsche Grammophone, CBS, Phillips, Decca, Angel., EMI, Hungaroton, Supraphon, etc.). The remaining 5% are vintage Jazz records recorded in the 30s or 40s by major companies (with that old archive sound, a bit like the sound of 78 rpm. And it doesn't cost me very much at all (these records often come from estate sales, etc.). In the classical field it is relatively easy to buy second-hand records in extremely neat condition, or even completely scratch-free. This is much rarer in popular music. My turntable is a Technics from the 80s, SL-D2, fully restored to working order. My amplifier is also a NAD of same period, the 3020i. I bought each of his devices for around $200! The Technics is an excellent turntable. It's extremely easy to adjust it with the pitch, and it's extremely easy to change a cartridge on a Technics, you unscrew and screw a new one in 3 seconds. In my opinion, your video is more of a dramatization that does not correspond to reality and, above all, creates unnecessary complications. This is pure fetishistic delirium, esoteric and sectarian. Unbreathable.
Well and good information, but….. this might be scaring the kids away on how the message is delivered 😢
50+ years ago i had the all in one record player. I played the Tomita Planets album (i only had a handful) through my Koss headphones until it was worn out and distorted. Since then i have owned many more expensive stuff. That was still some of the best musicals experience in my life. Enjoy what you have and can afford. It’s the journey.
I'm a retired EE in my 70s. My record collection ranges from over 120 Edison cylinders, and the Edison Opera model phonograph to play them, through a couple of hundred shellac and clay (not vinyl) 78s, many acoustical recordings (pre-electronic) and a Victrola to play them on with two and a half boxes of 500 per box needles. I have well over 100 45s and a couple of hundred LP 33 1/3s. My turntable for the modern records is a Stanton STR8-80, with two headshells, one with a cartridge for 33 1/3 and 45, and the other with a cartridge for my 78s. I strongly disagree with you about people having to spend huge amounts of money on a turntable. What is most important to preserve vinyl records is that the cartridge be able to track at under 5 grams, 3 even better. True, sound wise the table bearings and speed regulation is important, but with a belt driven table of sufficient mass, and decent bearings, that can be achieved without breaking the bank. For less than $300 the average Joe can get a turntable which will not kill his records, and will provide him with years of enjoyment. Also, who says one has to buy NEW vinyl records? They can be found at thrift stores and yard sales at far less then what new ones cost at retail stores. My generation is passing away fast, and our record collections will be passed on to the new generations, or sold to people who will appreciate them. As for the inexpensive "Crosley" type record players, better that a young person buy that, and be able to enjoy Grandpa's record collection, than the records be thrown away, or sold out of the family. Such record players meet the expectations and hearing acuity of the average person. If they are satisfied and happy, that is what is important. I REALLY HATE audio snobs. When you've spent your working lifetime in electronics, you see right through their BULL5H17.