@@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez yes honestly it felt more fitting for Morgot just bc of the badass dialouge he gives just before. He's like. All heretics every single one. You stand against one of the last "pure" Omen who accepted everything.
@Tortuga2223a Plus, the arena where you fight his Margit copy isn't very conducive to an effective boss fight on top of being a low level when you fight him there.
Something I haven't seen anyone address yet; it's a small but sad detail. When you come back to Leyndell after defeating Maliketh, and before meeting Godfrey, the sewer cover in the main street is removed and cast aside. This makes me think that Godfrey was looking for his sons, namely Morgott, on his way to the Erdtree. The fact that he loved his sons enough to try and see or free them before approaching the Erdtree/Elden Ring makes me love him as a character.
Dude was a literal killing machine in human form: no wonder he was made First Elden Lord. The First Lord was meant to be a warrior and general to crush the enemies of Marika, and the second he was no longer needed he had his Grace taken away and was cast out. From seeing the statues and the huge portrait of him in Stormveil - showing Serosh looming over him - made me initially think that it was all just a metaphor for Godfrey's strength and courage. No, he has a literal huge ghost lion grated to him to hold back his monstrous power. And even with that limiter on, he still wiped the floor with everyone that faced him. Him being first of the Tarnished informs how he acts towards your character too: he's one of the only characters in the Lands Between that is actually respectful of you making it this far, and he compliments your fighting ability if he manages to defeat you. And that transition where he casts off everything of Godfrey to become Hoarah Loux once more and show his full power is one of the greatest boss transitions in recent history. Honestly, we should have had the option to stand aside and let him become the next Elden Lord...
@@Grimsly3736 if you look closely in his cutscene you can see the guidence of grace pointing at the player character just after he puts morgott down which is pretty cool since he is also a tarnished
In the weeping peninsula stands a lone tower called "tower of return" with a teleportation chest that sends one directly to leyndell. Someone was expected to return to the capital...
Always impress with how much Godfrey was able to accomplish, with just being a mere human, unlikely every other God in Elden Ring. He is truly impressive
I find the duality of horah loux and serosh really interesting .The human is the beast and the beast is a wise counselor. Horah loux couldn't become Godfrey without serosh. It's like they're one entity in two bodies. They're opposites but complimentary to each other
Kinda the opposite Marika‘s Shadowbound Beast Maliketh or Ranni’s Blaidd as for Godfrey he’s loyal to fault to the beast but in those twos case the beasts are pretty much servants if not slaves which I think says a lot about Horah Loux
Makes me thinks of the Chimeras from Soulstice. A secondary soul grafted into another's body, but only possible if both individuals had a very strong bond beforehand. The resulting creature is gifted with superhuman capacities and the secondary soul can make spectral creatures vulnerable to physical harm, though they can also risk being corrupted and a process known as Transcendence where they become a powerful, terrible monster.
"Your strength is formidable, great warrior. Certainly, your might is of no equal on the battlefield, for not one foe has brought you to your knees. But tell me, great warrior... Can you say the same in my bed chambers?"
With all the player-sized NPCs we see who are tarnished and vying for the throne, sometimes I forget that the epitome of manliness named Hoarah Loux (WARRIORRRRRR) was also a tarnished like us. I honestly wished we got to see more of him than just the intro and boss fight. Afterall, he was an absolute legend in the world of ER.
I mean with the dlc being in the “the land of shadow” and the story being described as things that have already happened getting told to us (essentially I’m 90% sure this is old hunters for ER) we could!
@@Grimsly3736whelp that did not happen. Instead we got a 8million year old 3rd grader mind raping people. And learned that the greater will has been absent from the world since before Marikas reign potentially. And it’s all been guided by a broken and unguided finger mother who is just trying to figure some shit out.
if you look closely, the ritual of grafting began in earnest with godfrey taking serosh on his back, but unlike the others like godefroy or godrick ( who used to gather power ), godfrey did it to suppress his power
What's shit about Mohg and Morgot story is that it was probably Marikas blood that made them grow horns and it was Marika who seemed like she didn't care. When you fight Godfrey he's mourning over Morgot showing he truly cared
Amazing video, as always! Have you ever thought of looking into the connections between the games characters and norse mythology. That despite his likeness to Thor, Radagon is actually Loki. Marika is dead, and Radagon somply shapeshifts into her, as the elden beasts puppet. His red wolf is Fenrir, Rykard is Jormungandr the world serpent, Ranni is Hel, with Godwyn being Baldr. I think there is a genuine connection that can explain a lot of the questions. Love the work, keep it up! 😁
No matter how many times I have beat Elden Ring, past NG+7 at this point, when I get to the Godfrey fight, and THAT cut-scene plays, always gives me chills, man! A HELL of a battle!
I don't believe Godfrey has that ability. I think the implication of the projection of Godfrey is that it came from Morgott since we know he both has that ability, and hid the fact that he was an omen while leading Leyndell.
A minor detail of this game I think is somewhat worth looking into is the non-ingredient flowers. They feel like they've been placed with artistic intent, with the Church of Vows being a mix of the blue and gold flowers to symbolize the intertwining of Rennala and Radagon and their forces, but then there's placements like the copious amount of lavenders around the church where you fight Eleonora for her poleblade, and the spot behind the Ainsel Well with many white flowers that feel like they have meaning that I can't decipher.
Hmmmm Interesting, white isn’t really a color associated with any one faction in this game besides the Godskins to a extent but idk if it’s to symbolize them lol
You guys and gals are awesome , this was my first souls game , and when I beat it the first time , I still was kind of lost about why I became the elden lord, but watching these videos and 800 hours later I have a great appreciation and understanding of the lands between ! This tarnished just wanted to say thank you for all of your hard work !!
A lion's mantle like Hercules, died in battle and chained to a wooden object like Cul Culainn and he took on divine, supernatural adversaries like Gilgamesh or Beowulf. Godfrey was a hero of legend and a parallel to the heroes of folklore and mythology, but if brute strength was all he amounted to and cared for, then how could he have been a lord and ruler in spirit and times of order? He would never stop fighting, so the Greater Will had to cast him out either way.
May I share a suggestion? It would be awesome future idea if you make a series for elden ring's main areas (limgrave, caelid, liurnia, etc) and lagacy dungeons, cuz surely, miyazaki doesn't put stuff in his games randomly. In short, tons of lore contents. 👏🏻
I think he took on Sarosh after the war with the giants, as at that point the Fell God was the single greatest threat to the Golden Order. Once that was out of the way, they built up the civilization we see today. That civilization would need a proper Lord, and you can see this in the architecture of the Roundtable Hold and Leyndell at large. The Hold is very simple, but sturdy. It's built with practicality before all else, with several alterations being made as time went on. Namely the throne room, which makes no sense if you already have a meeting place at the titular Roundtable. Meanwhile the rest of the city is as ornate as can be, something a straightforward warrior wouldn't particularly indulge in.
Honestly i like how Godfrey doesn't blame or even gets verbally angry at you for killing Morgott, he knows that even though you killed him he would have done the same had the roles reversed and even commends your efforts on the defeat dialogues
I think the "conditions" of the children of Marika are pretty telling. In my opinion there was a third man in her live. Because we have the cursed twins with Malenia and Miquella. Both born with Radagon as father. Probably cursed because at this point Marika and Radagon became one being. Then there are the Omen Twins Morgot and Mohg. Both touched by the crucible as Godfrey favored it heavily for its primal strength. And then there is Godwin the Golden. Not touched by anything nor cursed by anything. Also very much looking like his mother. That is pretty odd to me and tells me there was someone else as father. Also interesting: Godwin is the only child which name does not start with M, the first letter of Marikas name. I would say this is also not a coincidence.
There was indeed a third person in her life. The original man/women she valued, the tarnished player. My estimation is that there will be a time travel DLC, where we will participate in the creation of the golden order alongside Marika. I think the entire Elden Ring story and its timeline is a paradox, many things makes sense under that lens.
@@square-table-gaming True that. Hm... Than I am thinking: What if it is the other way around? What if not Marika had an affair but Godfrey? What if Godwin is the son of Godfrey but not of Marika? That would also fit for her involed in his murder and using his soulless corpse to infect the Erdtree.
I've seen an interesting theory posited around that Godwyn, with his stronger associations to dragons and lightning than anything to do with the Crucible, is actually the child of an Ancient Dragon and Marika. This would add further meaning to Godrick calling that small dragon a "true-born heir" because he'd be an even stronger parallel with them, being also descended from dragons.
What I like about Godfrey, say compared to Gwyn, is that Godfrey has innate strength, Gwyn was a nobody before he found the Lord Soul, which is where his power came from. The reason I compare is cos they both are probably the two most powerful characters in the Soulsborne universe.
Super late but he has a line that was deleted since release. If you get killed in 1st phase he commends you for fighting well and says “thy rest is well deserved”
Hoar means grey and I think this is what grrm is referring to with both Horah Loux and the asoiaf character harren hoare. From what I could find Loux means wolf. So he’s a grey wolf.
I do not know where it is said, but it is heavily implied that had we not stood in his way, Godfrey would have easily beaten the Elden Beast and Radagon. Another thing that honestly scares me about ALL of the bosses in game is that every single one of them is PAST THEIR PRIME, or in some kind of diminished state.
6:25 we know who is he! The chad that had a grafted greatsword (sourse: the description of grafted greatsword were it was said something like ,the warrior who used this sword grafted the swords of it clan,s fallen members to his, and that ash of war is litteraly ,oath of vengence,). Now i would,ve liked to see how that warrior would use his sword!
I honestly believe he sent himself away. That it was his idea to have himself, and his people vanished. He knew in his current condition at the time, he couldn’t beat the Elden beast.
Yup! That's what the golden order does. Also, he's said to be Elden lord before the age of the Erdtree. It's possible he had his own title that is lost to time and they simply call him an "Elden Lord" since it'd match their understanding of his status.
@@square-table-gaming exactly, in that i think it’s a Golden Order cover up! although i don’t think the Erdtree necessarily confers the status of Elden Lord - that is, no reason i can see that the office of Elden Lord would be tied to the Erdtree. That seems like something the Greater Will does, thru sending the Elden Beast/Ring. The Erdtree is a symbol of worship tied to Marika directly, who became a god and housed the Elden Ring. Her Lord wields the ring’s power. I see the tree as Marika’s particular manifestation of that power. The reforming/wielding of the Elden Ring when married to a god makes one an Elden Lord, not the Erdtree…that’s how I see it, anyway. So the Elden Lord title probably would have predated even Marika’s ascension (as we know there were other earlier Lords, Gods, and likely earlier forms of the Elden Ring, like the one depicted in Maliketh’s boss room)
8:00 you make the timeline sound as though all the children were born after godfrey had started the erdtree conquest to usurp the old order. However goldwyn the golden was already not only born but a full fledged man with all the powers befitting a demigod before the conquering began. The mountaintops of the giants was goldwyn the goldens shining glory and the only existing example of his raw damage and power seeing massive and small giants alike impaled by thorns to this day. At the very least he was already full grown and the twins were all but guaranteed to be born before the erdtree was established as they were "blessed/cursed" by the primordial crucible and I doubt that the old order would be powerful enough to do that after the erdtree came to power and Marika was at her peak of power. I feel that goldwyn was born and trained before the conquering began and the fell twins were born when the erdtrees forces were facing down the last of the old regime guarding the primordial crucible.
Man. Thank you. Tired of seeing and hearing that he Changed his name to Hoara Loux after becoming tarbished, that he was always tarnished and theybare a race of people. When i brought the question up about him having a broken axe in Stormveill castle painting i had people tell me he broke it before being banished when it says it happend on the march... So frustrating.
The DLC has some interesting motifs but from what i can gather no solid linkings to godfrey/serosh. The lion/divine beast warriors, the beast claws that are said to evoke their esoteric fighting style which Hoarah Loux employs, the worship of a divine lion. Storms being a focus when nepeli loux seems to have affinity for the wind and such. With marikas revealed history that i wont spoil further than a mention, i wonder if he too originated in the land of shadow. It begs the question of why hed abandon his culture: which is notably very anti golden order, but perhaps this could predate his Godfrey persona and his bloodlust made him not a worthy candidate of Beast Warrior despite his strength. Im no huge lore expert, just some interesting things to note.
Frustrating powerbombs aside. Id like to imagine that godfrey went on a giant genocide with just his hands. The axe he used as formality came after that conquest
@@square-table-gaming I think I speak for most of us in saying we love your teams speculation. But there is seemingly pieces that put together what each ending means and what the intention of it was based on the person who births a mending rune
A new video? A NEW VIDEO FILLED TO THE BRIM WITH ABSOLUTE TESTOSTERONE AND PURE STRENGHT ALL THROUGH IT FROM SQUARE TABLE GAMING!? don't mind if i do :)
I had an epiphany about consorts and Grafting. We see many examples of Grafting and a few concepts of consort. I'm too dumb to explain but it's there. Serosh isn't a lion pet, he's the Lord of all beasts you learn that from the beast hammer gurranq gives you. Elden Lord and the beast lord grafted together that's no coincidence. By the standards of our world does that make them interracial gay husbands? AND Godfrey loved his Omen sons, was chill with the crucible knights, trolls and demi humans and tarnished alike? Why didn't we have the option to let this man be Elden Lord? Oh that's why. Because no one would fight Radagon and Elden Beast and frankly given the second half of that fight who would want to? Fromsoftware messed up by making the final fight so bad and the second last boss such a great candidate for Elden Lord. Why is our only option to take the throne ourselves or... give it to a blue doll crystal girlie? Why Fromsoftware why did you do this? Whyyyyyyy?
This is why you don’t let the love of your life change you. She loved him completely as his true self wo the lion suppressing. She leaves him when he loses his edge. He never actually loses his edge but he shouldn’t have lost his lordship ever.
it seems you guys forgot to check the Brave Set, which indicates a lot about Godfrey. I dont think that Godfrey was Horoa Loux before, he was a warrior king of a nation of the frigid uplands, which is the weider mountain area, vanished long ago. To learn about this yoou have to read the Brave's Battlewear. Godfrey became Horoa Loux after he was exiled from the lands between.
The brave set and its description can't be considered canon as it cannot be obtained in-game. I'm willing to bet if it does get added in the DLC we'll see an updated description much like with the item descriptions from the original beta. Also, its description only says they participated in the Long March and that their ceremonial garb garnered them favor with the Warrior King who led them. Godfrey led everyone who participated in the Long March, not just those of the frigid uplands. The item description doesn't imply in any way that the warrior king himself was from the uplands.
BTW, the key to the identity of the misterious Hero died at the hands of Godfrey at Castle Morne, after his revolt, lies in the Arsenal Charm.@@square-table-gaming
@@ChanchoWins the arsenal charm mentions the hero hungry for vengeance but it doesn't really give us an idea of who he was. It's definitely interesting that it comes from nepheli
I'm knew to elden, and i see a lot of ppl sayin Godfrey was pure human but what about our tarnished? Isn't our character also human? Is Godfrey still on level 1? I'm working my way thru the playlist. Started on the 1st episode. Watched all except the long form vids. Enjoyed all!
I have a question do you think it’s possible the reason Godfrey was banished was because radagon beat him since as Godfrey does say a crown warrants strength and it is established radagon was a “Champion” implying he fought possibly in the coliseum
But the dog-pope implies that radagon was inferior to godfrey because he does say referring to radagon as follows:-"why a mere champion would be chosen for the seat of elden lord",implying godfrey held a higher rank than radagon in the beginning and people were confused on why marika downgraded bigtime.
I would not say definitely. Miyazaki himself said in an interview that important pieces of lore information were withheld from Elden Ring to be revealed in future games.
My question is, why was he so tall and so powerful? Like, what is the source of his power?? It's clear that he wasn't an ordinary human, but if he was human, how did he acquire such strength?
If I were to venture a guess it'd be the power of runes over his time as Elden Lord. His strength was unmatched before he became Elden Lord, id have to assume his station at the head of Marika army awarded him more strength
@@square-table-gaming I also thought that, but many say that becoming Elden Lord does not grant you power, but is just a title, I think otherwise, because if the Elden Ring is made up of runes and runes are power, logically you acquire more power by becoming a lord, and Marika can charge you with runes too!! Sorry for my weak English, I'm Brazilian lol
I love the lore dive, but i have always wondered why he had to kill serosh to get him off his back. Because it looked like he wasn't just a spectre when he pulled him off and you see the blood. Wouldn't serosh have been a good ally to fight with next to him. Second question from something in the video is that if Godfrey knew about the elden beast, then why didn't he just try to kill it seeing as he was the strongest and most capable?
@@benstevens2 Not to mention we did sort of kill his son. Possibly two of his sons depending on when when/if we beat Mohg. And if you notice, the 'grace' that appears when Morgott's body vanishes points to where Godfrey needs to go next; it points straight to our Tarnished. So yeah, we were 100% in his way.
Forgive me, but, I'm a little confused about something, I thought it was Radagon that wiped out the Giants, by being the (probably) very first of the Thorn Sorcerers! By Radagon's shear F-ING NUT-levels of power with Incantations and Sorceries, only HIM, with Thorns being his frickin' Rune it'self, could impale every Giant, save ONE! Thorn Sorcery, for us anyway, does CRAP damage, at best, but in Radagon's hands, was a F-ING TERROR! So it was Godfrey, that killed all but ONE of the Giants! Hmm?
The first mentions of Radagon are not until the Liurnian Wars well after the battle with the giants. Thorn sorcery as we know it is colored red, so the thorns we see through the giants are more likely deathroot which Marika could have wielded as she had not yet sealed the rune of death.
@@square-table-gaming ah yes. Thank you for clearing that up good sir. I realize now it seems you’ve never covered Placidusax specifically in a video and that could be a good topic. I can’t remember if there’s any evidence to suggest this but I was under the impression that Placidusax was the Elden Lord before Godfrey challenged him for the throne and won. Anyway great video as usual.
Wait, so Godfrey died before our fight with him? How does that work? Is that why we fought that glowy gold version of him earlier in the game? Sorry if these are stupid questions. Just getting back into the game and want to learn about all the lore. I heard something like tarnished cant really die or something? I dont really get it, can yall explain? Also, was Godfrey tarnished or human? Or is that the same thing?
Tarnished are those humans who had their grace stripped by Queen Marika. Without grace they CAN die. That's why the tarnished we kill on our journey don't revive, they no longer see grace. Godfrey was presumably murdered during the long march when he had no grace, which is what we see in the intro of the game. Upon having his grace restored he revived. The golden projection we fight is nothing but one of Morgott's projections.
@@square-table-gaming so pretty much all tarnished had their grace stripped away? Why is ours different? And if a tarnished has their grace stripped away and dies, if Marika gives them their grave back, they can come back to life?
@@Ace_Of_Spades_Gaming all tarnished had their grace stripped initially. We were given it back then we made our way to the lands between. Over time if a tarnished ignores grace or doesn't gather any great ruins they eventually stopped seeing Grace again
@@square-table-gaming hey bro just wanted to ask….i know that as long as one has his grace his soul goes back to erdtree and returns thats the reason we the player comes back after dying but i wanna know from where did u get this info that if a tarnished ignores the grace or doesn’t collect any great rune then the grace vanishes…..
I would actually say they most likely weren't as Marika needed a lord to ascend and given that Messmer's father was most likely Radagon it seems much more likely he was the lord she used for the ritual at the gate, taking him into her shaman flesh acting as both god and vessel
But I still dont understand why Godfrey was stripped of grace and banished? I mean Marika could still have shattered the elden ring with Godfrey by her side and no one would stop her. Someone please explain.
@@square-table-gaming thanks a lot for the reply! So was it because she knew only a Tarnished (be it anyone - Godfrey or us) could be the new Elden Lord once she breaks free from the influence of the Greater Will after shattering the Elden Ring and the new “strengthened” tarnished would be better at becoming the Lord?
Because he was trying to maintain his composure as a lord. He could only withhold his blood lust with Serosh's help, and if he were to be Elden Lord again, he felt he needed his blood lust quelled. The only reason he killed Serosh is because he knew he couldn't defeat us unless he was at full strength.
Quite shocking for a lore vid for you to keep calling godfrey the first elden lord when the game itself states that before the golden order,the elden lord was Dragonlord Placidusax and that there could have been other elden lords/ages even before that
Yes, but Godfrey's in-game lore also says he was the first. It's revisionist history by the golden order, so within the context of the character, that's what he was known as.
Godfrey is the First Elden Lord of the Golden Order. And since the Golden Order has a tendency to overwrite and rewrite history, that's his official title even if it's not correct.
This might be an unpopular opinion, and it really just is my opinion, but I don't like the way FromSoftware games present lore. I don't think lore should be hidden, easily overlooked and still clouded in mystery (to a huge degree) even after all the lore is researched. Lore is important in games where story has a role. It gives context to why you should even care about the quest you are undertaking, making you care about the characters and care about your mission. You encounter kings and lords, but no citizens or cities that they govern. I hate it when writing is too vague, with it's meaning open to endless amount of interpretation. This is for writers who have no real message to deliver in the first place, and hide their lack of meaning behind abstractions instead. Red flags for me are words like 'alas' and 'thou'. Using old English words which are easily replaced by modern variants is a cheap way to create intrigue. I do think Elden Ring makes up for it big time with it's stunning visuals and great gameplay. But yea, I don't like the writing and lore. To each their own.
It's perfectly understandable if this type of world building doesn't appeal to you, not everyone enjoys the vague nature of a world that gives you the option of discovering its secrets or ignoring them. The only point I'd argue on is the use of old English. Thematically it would make no sense for people in this world to speak in a more modern way. This is old-school fantasy, knights and kingdoms, and it's meant to evoke that feeling; the old English used in this setting fits.
@@square-table-gaming I like it when there is also hidden lore and secrets. But when the secrets are uncovered the story should become less abstract by doing so. When getting to the roots of Elden Ring lore, moreover than not it boils down to the influence of the Greater will or another outer God, who in turn are clouded in too much mystery to make real sense of. The use of old English, for me, takes away from immersiveness because that's the history of the real world. Wherein a fantasy world I think it's cool if that fantasy world stands on it's own fictional history. Elden Rings gameplay is not for me either, but there I can see clearly it's really, really good.
When Morgott jumps off Stormveil, he emits Godfrey’s energy while doing so defiantly. If he wasnt born an Omen he would have been just like him.
Funny since, on my first playthrough, Morgott and Godfrey were probably the only fights that I enjoyed even if I wasn't winning.
@@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguezsame. Morgot was my fav just on how he sounds and how he talks. Its such perfect juxtaposition.
@Tortuga2223a his second arena is just better, too, and you fight Godfrey in the same place.
@@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez yes honestly it felt more fitting for Morgot just bc of the badass dialouge he gives just before.
He's like. All heretics every single one. You stand against one of the last "pure" Omen who accepted everything.
@Tortuga2223a Plus, the arena where you fight his Margit copy isn't very conducive to an effective boss fight on top of being a low level when you fight him there.
Godfrey, a dude so hardcore that he had to attach a LION to himself to help him stay chill
Something I haven't seen anyone address yet; it's a small but sad detail.
When you come back to Leyndell after defeating Maliketh, and before meeting Godfrey, the sewer cover in the main street is removed and cast aside. This makes me think that Godfrey was looking for his sons, namely Morgott, on his way to the Erdtree.
The fact that he loved his sons enough to try and see or free them before approaching the Erdtree/Elden Ring makes me love him as a character.
Dude was a literal killing machine in human form: no wonder he was made First Elden Lord. The First Lord was meant to be a warrior and general to crush the enemies of Marika, and the second he was no longer needed he had his Grace taken away and was cast out.
From seeing the statues and the huge portrait of him in Stormveil - showing Serosh looming over him - made me initially think that it was all just a metaphor for Godfrey's strength and courage. No, he has a literal huge ghost lion grated to him to hold back his monstrous power. And even with that limiter on, he still wiped the floor with everyone that faced him.
Him being first of the Tarnished informs how he acts towards your character too: he's one of the only characters in the Lands Between that is actually respectful of you making it this far, and he compliments your fighting ability if he manages to defeat you. And that transition where he casts off everything of Godfrey to become Hoarah Loux once more and show his full power is one of the greatest boss transitions in recent history. Honestly, we should have had the option to stand aside and let him become the next Elden Lord...
Agree. Except for the last part.
Well, in the meta sense if you give up after losing against him, then Godfrey/Hoarah Loux would be Elden Lord again
Godfrey Becoming Elden Lord should’ve been the very last part of Nepheli Loux’s Questline.
@@TheAnaz41745but he needs to defeat Radagon right?
Only cheesy think was the pose after the “WARRIOOOOOR” quote. Seemed like a WWE fighter intro or A character from Street Fighter.
Almost forgot that Godfrey is pure human with no magic. Respect.
Still magical in some way, to become Elden Lord you gotta be the greater will blessed him probably
@@Grimsly3736Being a tarnished means you have been stripped from guidance of grace. Normal people can see grace better than tarnished
@@crabking9223 I mean the man has a Lion Spirit in his back, I think he can see grace
@@Grimsly3736 if you look closely in his cutscene you can see the guidence of grace pointing at the player character just after he puts morgott down which is pretty cool since he is also a tarnished
@@viper-141 I just looked up the cutscene, god thank you for pointing this out bro that is such a great detail
In the weeping peninsula stands a lone tower called "tower of return" with a teleportation chest that sends one directly to leyndell.
Someone was expected to return to the capital...
Yeah me
Godrick 😂
Always impress with how much Godfrey was able to accomplish, with just being a mere human, unlikely every other God in Elden Ring. He is truly impressive
I find the duality of horah loux and serosh really interesting .The human is the beast and the beast is a wise counselor. Horah loux couldn't become Godfrey without serosh. It's like they're one entity in two bodies. They're opposites but complimentary to each other
Kinda the opposite Marika‘s Shadowbound Beast Maliketh or Ranni’s Blaidd as for Godfrey he’s loyal to fault to the beast but in those twos case the beasts are pretty much servants if not slaves which I think says a lot about Horah Loux
Makes me thinks of the Chimeras from Soulstice. A secondary soul grafted into another's body, but only possible if both individuals had a very strong bond beforehand.
The resulting creature is gifted with superhuman capacities and the secondary soul can make spectral creatures vulnerable to physical harm, though they can also risk being corrupted and a process known as Transcendence where they become a powerful, terrible monster.
Thats what makes his character so poetic. Many characters are written opposite too the usual stereotype
Marika saw the lump of masculinity before her, and declared: “I’m absolutely gonna hit that”
"Your strength is formidable, great warrior. Certainly, your might is of no equal on the battlefield, for not one foe has brought you to your knees. But tell me, great warrior... Can you say the same in my bed chambers?"
@@jocosesonata*no more words were uttered that night, only mighty screams of pleasure and passion*
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They don't call her Marika _The Eternal_ for nothing.
Even with all his strength, Godfrey couldn't last
With all the player-sized NPCs we see who are tarnished and vying for the throne, sometimes I forget that the epitome of manliness named Hoarah Loux (WARRIORRRRRR) was also a tarnished like us. I honestly wished we got to see more of him than just the intro and boss fight. Afterall, he was an absolute legend in the world of ER.
I mean with the dlc being in the “the land of shadow” and the story being described as things that have already happened getting told to us (essentially I’m 90% sure this is old hunters for ER) we could!
@@Grimsly3736whelp that did not happen. Instead we got a 8million year old 3rd grader mind raping people. And learned that the greater will has been absent from the world since before Marikas reign potentially. And it’s all been guided by a broken and unguided finger mother who is just trying to figure some shit out.
@@Grimsly3736 Well, not quite lol, good DLC, but not what I was expecting.
@@edwardarroyo884 yeah crazy what I thought the dlc would be, was definitely not old hunters for ER 😭
if you look closely, the ritual of grafting began in earnest with godfrey taking serosh on his back, but unlike the others like godefroy or godrick ( who used to gather power ), godfrey did it to suppress his power
Chadfrey, First Elden Chad
Father of Chads
Godfrey a real one for still caring about mohg and morgott 😤💯
Finally, the best lore channel released a lore video on the best elden lord.
What's shit about Mohg and Morgot story is that it was probably Marikas blood that made them grow horns and it was Marika who seemed like she didn't care. When you fight Godfrey he's mourning over Morgot showing he truly cared
Idk Godfrey’s crucible knights probably have horns he may have touched the crucible as well.
Amazing video, as always!
Have you ever thought of looking into the connections between the games characters and norse mythology.
That despite his likeness to Thor, Radagon is actually Loki. Marika is dead, and Radagon somply shapeshifts into her, as the elden beasts puppet.
His red wolf is Fenrir, Rykard is Jormungandr the world serpent, Ranni is Hel, with Godwyn being Baldr.
I think there is a genuine connection that can explain a lot of the questions.
Love the work, keep it up! 😁
No matter how many times I have beat Elden Ring, past NG+7 at this point, when I get to the Godfrey fight, and THAT cut-scene plays, always gives me chills, man! A HELL of a battle!
Morgott, mohg, and godfrey all have the ability to project themselves elsewhere, just like us players when being summoned.
I don't believe Godfrey has that ability. I think the implication of the projection of Godfrey is that it came from Morgott since we know he both has that ability, and hid the fact that he was an omen while leading Leyndell.
A minor detail of this game I think is somewhat worth looking into is the non-ingredient flowers. They feel like they've been placed with artistic intent, with the Church of Vows being a mix of the blue and gold flowers to symbolize the intertwining of Rennala and Radagon and their forces, but then there's placements like the copious amount of lavenders around the church where you fight Eleonora for her poleblade, and the spot behind the Ainsel Well with many white flowers that feel like they have meaning that I can't decipher.
Hmmmm Interesting, white isn’t really a color associated with any one faction in this game besides the Godskins to a extent but idk if it’s to symbolize them lol
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You guys and gals are awesome , this was my first souls game , and when I beat it the first time , I still was kind of lost about why I became the elden lord, but watching these videos and 800 hours later I have a great appreciation and understanding of the lands between ! This tarnished just wanted to say thank you for all of your hard work !!
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Fighting against him at the end is so hype
A lion's mantle like Hercules, died in battle and chained to a wooden object like Cul Culainn and he took on divine, supernatural adversaries like Gilgamesh or Beowulf.
Godfrey was a hero of legend and a parallel to the heroes of folklore and mythology, but if brute strength was all he amounted to and cared for, then how could he have been a lord and ruler in spirit and times of order? He would never stop fighting, so the Greater Will had to cast him out either way.
It’s funny that Godfrey means peace and he’s a brutal warlord who literally dies when he has no one left to fight
So THIS was what you needed that axe for!
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It would be awesome future idea if you make a series for elden ring's main areas (limgrave, caelid, liurnia, etc) and lagacy dungeons, cuz surely, miyazaki doesn't put stuff in his games randomly.
In short, tons of lore contents. 👏🏻
Godfrey show us respect. Seeing the Tarnish a worthy foe. Worth using his full might on
I think he took on Sarosh after the war with the giants, as at that point the Fell God was the single greatest threat to the Golden Order. Once that was out of the way, they built up the civilization we see today. That civilization would need a proper Lord, and you can see this in the architecture of the Roundtable Hold and Leyndell at large. The Hold is very simple, but sturdy. It's built with practicality before all else, with several alterations being made as time went on. Namely the throne room, which makes no sense if you already have a meeting place at the titular Roundtable. Meanwhile the rest of the city is as ornate as can be, something a straightforward warrior wouldn't particularly indulge in.
I love the image of Godfrey just suplexing a gaint
Finally caught up on all your Elden Lore playlist. I would love a speculation video on the Four Belfries.
Right on time
Godfrey The Mortal who's strength would defy the Gods.
He did love all his children
Honestly i like how Godfrey doesn't blame or even gets verbally angry at you for killing Morgott, he knows that even though you killed him he would have done the same had the roles reversed and even commends your efforts on the defeat dialogues
I think the "conditions" of the children of Marika are pretty telling. In my opinion there was a third man in her live. Because we have the cursed twins with Malenia and Miquella. Both born with Radagon as father. Probably cursed because at this point Marika and Radagon became one being.
Then there are the Omen Twins Morgot and Mohg. Both touched by the crucible as Godfrey favored it heavily for its primal strength.
And then there is Godwin the Golden. Not touched by anything nor cursed by anything. Also very much looking like his mother. That is pretty odd to me and tells me there was someone else as father.
Also interesting: Godwin is the only child which name does not start with M, the first letter of Marikas name. I would say this is also not a coincidence.
True but it does start with a G and is meant to denote his connection to Godfrey
So...Marika is for the streets?
There was indeed a third person in her life. The original man/women she valued, the tarnished player. My estimation is that there will be a time travel DLC, where we will participate in the creation of the golden order alongside Marika. I think the entire Elden Ring story and its timeline is a paradox, many things makes sense under that lens.
@@square-table-gaming True that.
Hm... Than I am thinking: What if it is the other way around? What if not Marika had an affair but Godfrey? What if Godwin is the son of Godfrey but not of Marika?
That would also fit for her involed in his murder and using his soulless corpse to infect the Erdtree.
I've seen an interesting theory posited around that Godwyn, with his stronger associations to dragons and lightning than anything to do with the Crucible, is actually the child of an Ancient Dragon and Marika. This would add further meaning to Godrick calling that small dragon a "true-born heir" because he'd be an even stronger parallel with them, being also descended from dragons.
Best fight in the whole game.
What I like about Godfrey, say compared to Gwyn, is that Godfrey has innate strength, Gwyn was a nobody before he found the Lord Soul, which is where his power came from. The reason I compare is cos they both are probably the two most powerful characters in the Soulsborne universe.
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Super late but he has a line that was deleted since release. If you get killed in 1st phase he commends you for fighting well and says “thy rest is well deserved”
I would say that Gilgamesh is a huge influence on the character.
Was a great watch bro
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Hoar means grey and I think this is what grrm is referring to with both Horah Loux and the asoiaf character harren hoare. From what I could find Loux means wolf. So he’s a grey wolf.
So did he welcome death as it was part of Marika’s plan thus not removing Serosh to show his true power?
That's a really solid theory, because it doesn't make sense that any random people in the Badlands could kill Hoarah Loux.
I do not know where it is said, but it is heavily implied that had we not stood in his way, Godfrey would have easily beaten the Elden Beast and Radagon. Another thing that honestly scares me about ALL of the bosses in game is that every single one of them is PAST THEIR PRIME, or in some kind of diminished state.
See, don't need to be a warrior for Godfrey to bring me to my knees, you know?
6:25 we know who is he! The chad that had a grafted greatsword (sourse: the description of grafted greatsword were it was said something like ,the warrior who used this sword grafted the swords of it clan,s fallen members to his, and that ash of war is litteraly ,oath of vengence,). Now i would,ve liked to see how that warrior would use his sword!
I wish they’d give us a badlands dlc
Another banger as always STG 🤘
I honestly believe he sent himself away. That it was his idea to have himself, and his people vanished. He knew in his current condition at the time, he couldn’t beat the Elden beast.
Placidusax erasure to call Godfrey “First Elden Lord”
Yup! That's what the golden order does. Also, he's said to be Elden lord before the age of the Erdtree. It's possible he had his own title that is lost to time and they simply call him an "Elden Lord" since it'd match their understanding of his status.
@@square-table-gaming exactly, in that i think it’s a Golden Order cover up! although i don’t think the Erdtree necessarily confers the status of Elden Lord - that is, no reason i can see that the office of Elden Lord would be tied to the Erdtree. That seems like something the Greater Will does, thru sending the Elden Beast/Ring. The Erdtree is a symbol of worship tied to Marika directly, who became a god and housed the Elden Ring. Her Lord wields the ring’s power. I see the tree as Marika’s particular manifestation of that power. The reforming/wielding of the Elden Ring when married to a god makes one an Elden Lord, not the Erdtree…that’s how I see it, anyway. So the Elden Lord title probably would have predated even Marika’s ascension (as we know there were other earlier Lords, Gods, and likely earlier forms of the Elden Ring, like the one depicted in Maliketh’s boss room)
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@@caliaidit absolutely is if you look around in the farm azula you can see what the Eldin ring was when Plax was lord
8:00 you make the timeline sound as though all the children were born after godfrey had started the erdtree conquest to usurp the old order. However goldwyn the golden was already not only born but a full fledged man with all the powers befitting a demigod before the conquering began. The mountaintops of the giants was goldwyn the goldens shining glory and the only existing example of his raw damage and power seeing massive and small giants alike impaled by thorns to this day. At the very least he was already full grown and the twins were all but guaranteed to be born before the erdtree was established as they were "blessed/cursed" by the primordial crucible and I doubt that the old order would be powerful enough to do that after the erdtree came to power and Marika was at her peak of power. I feel that goldwyn was born and trained before the conquering began and the fell twins were born when the erdtrees forces were facing down the last of the old regime guarding the primordial crucible.
Gotta warn us when this is a "Prepare to Cry" episode 😭
Man. Thank you. Tired of seeing and hearing that he Changed his name to Hoara Loux after becoming tarbished, that he was always tarnished and theybare a race of people. When i brought the question up about him having a broken axe in Stormveill castle painting i had people tell me he broke it before being banished when it says it happend on the march... So frustrating.
The DLC has some interesting motifs but from what i can gather no solid linkings to godfrey/serosh.
The lion/divine beast warriors, the beast claws that are said to evoke their esoteric fighting style which Hoarah Loux employs, the worship of a divine lion. Storms being a focus when nepeli loux seems to have affinity for the wind and such.
With marikas revealed history that i wont spoil further than a mention, i wonder if he too originated in the land of shadow. It begs the question of why hed abandon his culture: which is notably very anti golden order, but perhaps this could predate his Godfrey persona and his bloodlust made him not a worthy candidate of Beast Warrior despite his strength.
Im no huge lore expert, just some interesting things to note.
Frustrating powerbombs aside. Id like to imagine that godfrey went on a giant genocide with just his hands. The axe he used as formality came after that conquest
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May you make a vid about the endings of Elden Ring and the fates they hold for the lands between
It would be mostly speculation but a fun topic!
@@square-table-gaming I think I speak for most of us in saying we love your teams speculation. But there is seemingly pieces that put together what each ending means and what the intention of it was based on the person who births a mending rune
Margot won the shattering but Radagon blocked his entry
I always thought that Placidusax was the storm lord? But I am easily confused
I thought that initially as well but there are very solid arguments for why he is not
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I had an epiphany about consorts and Grafting. We see many examples of Grafting and a few concepts of consort. I'm too dumb to explain but it's there. Serosh isn't a lion pet, he's the Lord of all beasts you learn that from the beast hammer gurranq gives you. Elden Lord and the beast lord grafted together that's no coincidence. By the standards of our world does that make them interracial gay husbands? AND Godfrey loved his Omen sons, was chill with the crucible knights, trolls and demi humans and tarnished alike? Why didn't we have the option to let this man be Elden Lord? Oh that's why. Because no one would fight Radagon and Elden Beast and frankly given the second half of that fight who would want to? Fromsoftware messed up by making the final fight so bad and the second last boss such a great candidate for Elden Lord. Why is our only option to take the throne ourselves or... give it to a blue doll crystal girlie? Why Fromsoftware why did you do this? Whyyyyyyy?
godfrey = gigachad (i mean dude has a godamn lion on his back it dosent get cooler then that
This is why you don’t let the love of your life change you. She loved him completely as his true self wo the lion suppressing. She leaves him when he loses his edge.
He never actually loses his edge but he shouldn’t have lost his lordship ever.
it seems you guys forgot to check the Brave Set, which indicates a lot about Godfrey. I dont think that Godfrey was Horoa Loux before, he was a warrior king of a nation of the frigid uplands, which is the weider mountain area, vanished long ago. To learn about this yoou have to read the Brave's Battlewear. Godfrey became Horoa Loux after he was exiled from the lands between.
The brave set and its description can't be considered canon as it cannot be obtained in-game. I'm willing to bet if it does get added in the DLC we'll see an updated description much like with the item descriptions from the original beta. Also, its description only says they participated in the Long March and that their ceremonial garb garnered them favor with the Warrior King who led them. Godfrey led everyone who participated in the Long March, not just those of the frigid uplands. The item description doesn't imply in any way that the warrior king himself was from the uplands.
BTW, the key to the identity of the misterious Hero died at the hands of Godfrey at Castle Morne, after his revolt, lies in the Arsenal Charm.@@square-table-gaming
@@ChanchoWins the arsenal charm mentions the hero hungry for vengeance but it doesn't really give us an idea of who he was. It's definitely interesting that it comes from nepheli
Indeed. But Nepheli missed the second item found in Stormveil that matches our suspect: The Brick Hammer @@square-table-gaming
Well said
I'm knew to elden, and i see a lot of ppl sayin Godfrey was pure human but what about our tarnished? Isn't our character also human? Is Godfrey still on level 1?
I'm working my way thru the playlist. Started on the 1st episode. Watched all except the long form vids. Enjoyed all!
Thanks for watching! Yes Godfrey is human or rather Tarnished in the same way we are. No great rune, no godly heritage.
I have a question do you think it’s possible the reason Godfrey was banished was because radagon beat him since as Godfrey does say a crown warrants strength and it is established radagon was a “Champion” implying he fought possibly in the coliseum
Radagon did not appear until the Liurnian wars so it seems unlikely
But the dog-pope implies that radagon was inferior to godfrey because he does say referring to radagon as follows:-"why a mere champion would be chosen for the seat of elden lord",implying godfrey held a higher rank than radagon in the beginning and people were confused on why marika downgraded bigtime.
Do you think that the DLC will bring the story to a close or that there will be a Elden Ring 2?
Definitely going to bring it to a close
I would not say definitely. Miyazaki himself said in an interview that important pieces of lore information were withheld from Elden Ring to be revealed in future games.
Title should be Chadfrey, The First Elden Chad
My question is, why was he so tall and so powerful? Like, what is the source of his power?? It's clear that he wasn't an ordinary human, but if he was human, how did he acquire such strength?
If I were to venture a guess it'd be the power of runes over his time as Elden Lord. His strength was unmatched before he became Elden Lord, id have to assume his station at the head of Marika army awarded him more strength
@@square-table-gaming I also thought that, but many say that becoming Elden Lord does not grant you power, but is just a title, I think otherwise, because if the Elden Ring is made up of runes and runes are power, logically you acquire more power by becoming a lord, and Marika can charge you with runes too!! Sorry for my weak English, I'm Brazilian lol
@@MasterArtDoragon No worries! I'm inclined to agree with you
I love the lore dive, but i have always wondered why he had to kill serosh to get him off his back. Because it looked like he wasn't just a spectre when he pulled him off and you see the blood. Wouldn't serosh have been a good ally to fight with next to him.
Second question from something in the video is that if Godfrey knew about the elden beast, then why didn't he just try to kill it seeing as he was the strongest and most capable?
We were in his way
@@benstevens2 Not to mention we did sort of kill his son. Possibly two of his sons depending on when when/if we beat Mohg. And if you notice, the 'grace' that appears when Morgott's body vanishes points to where Godfrey needs to go next; it points straight to our Tarnished. So yeah, we were 100% in his way.
Personally I would have let this gigachad walk right ahead to beat the snot out of Radon, bro could solo him no problem.
Im wondering the lands that godfrey was banished to is that where we are going for the dlc
Godfrey was banished to the Badlands which is where the long march took place. Different area from the land of shadow
Forgive me, but, I'm a little confused about something, I thought it was Radagon that wiped out the Giants, by being the (probably) very first of the Thorn Sorcerers! By Radagon's shear F-ING NUT-levels of power with Incantations and Sorceries, only HIM, with Thorns being his frickin' Rune it'self, could impale every Giant, save ONE! Thorn Sorcery, for us anyway, does CRAP damage, at best, but in Radagon's hands, was a F-ING TERROR! So it was Godfrey, that killed all but ONE of the Giants! Hmm?
The first mentions of Radagon are not until the Liurnian Wars well after the battle with the giants. Thorn sorcery as we know it is colored red, so the thorns we see through the giants are more likely deathroot which Marika could have wielded as she had not yet sealed the rune of death.
@@square-table-gaming OH! I get it now! Thank You! Even after NG+8, I was STILL wondering about that, lol! Thanks for clearing that up!
Amazing
Wait I’m confused. Isn’t Placidusax the first Elden Lord or is that wrong?
He is, but Godfrey is referred to as the first Elden Lord due to Golden Order revisionist history
@@square-table-gaming ah yes. Thank you for clearing that up good sir. I realize now it seems you’ve never covered Placidusax specifically in a video and that could be a good topic. I can’t remember if there’s any evidence to suggest this but I was under the impression that Placidusax was the Elden Lord before Godfrey challenged him for the throne and won. Anyway great video as usual.
Lore Video on Lionel the Lionhearted, Fia's dad?
We tell his story in two different videos! One of our Tarnished Files episodes and our video on Fia
Thank you @@square-table-gaming
I think gis character is inspired from Hercules.
Wait, so Godfrey died before our fight with him? How does that work? Is that why we fought that glowy gold version of him earlier in the game? Sorry if these are stupid questions. Just getting back into the game and want to learn about all the lore. I heard something like tarnished cant really die or something? I dont really get it, can yall explain? Also, was Godfrey tarnished or human? Or is that the same thing?
Tarnished are those humans who had their grace stripped by Queen Marika. Without grace they CAN die. That's why the tarnished we kill on our journey don't revive, they no longer see grace. Godfrey was presumably murdered during the long march when he had no grace, which is what we see in the intro of the game. Upon having his grace restored he revived. The golden projection we fight is nothing but one of Morgott's projections.
@@square-table-gaming so pretty much all tarnished had their grace stripped away? Why is ours different? And if a tarnished has their grace stripped away and dies, if Marika gives them their grave back, they can come back to life?
@@Ace_Of_Spades_Gaming all tarnished had their grace stripped initially. We were given it back then we made our way to the lands between. Over time if a tarnished ignores grace or doesn't gather any great ruins they eventually stopped seeing Grace again
@@square-table-gaming ahh okay, thanks so much for the info
@@square-table-gaming hey bro just wanted to ask….i know that as long as one has his grace his soul goes back to erdtree and returns thats the reason we the player comes back after dying but i wanna know from where did u get this info that if a tarnished ignores the grace or doesn’t collect any great rune then the grace vanishes…..
What are the badlands?
An area outside of the lands between
We don't have much info about the badlands aside of being out of the Erdtree and being completely separated
Hora Loux and Marika were probably married pre God status
I would actually say they most likely weren't as Marika needed a lord to ascend and given that Messmer's father was most likely Radagon it seems much more likely he was the lord she used for the ritual at the gate, taking him into her shaman flesh acting as both god and vessel
Free God!
I mean Godfrey!
I just don’t understand wtf grace means in Elden ring. It’s so abstract, but it’s supposedly a definite blessing wtf.
But I still dont understand why Godfrey was stripped of grace and banished? I mean Marika could still have shattered the elden ring with Godfrey by her side and no one would stop her. Someone please explain.
She needed the tarnished to grow stronger outside of the lands between.
@@square-table-gaming thanks a lot for the reply! So was it because she knew only a Tarnished (be it anyone - Godfrey or us) could be the new Elden Lord once she breaks free from the influence of the Greater Will after shattering the Elden Ring and the new “strengthened” tarnished would be better at becoming the Lord?
@@blackmane1999Basically yes
If godfrey is more powerful after killing serosh, why didnt he do it before?
Because he was trying to maintain his composure as a lord. He could only withhold his blood lust with Serosh's help, and if he were to be Elden Lord again, he felt he needed his blood lust quelled. The only reason he killed Serosh is because he knew he couldn't defeat us unless he was at full strength.
Godfrey and rennala would have had better children than marika and radagon(no spoiler)
Wait, Godfrey smashed a Marika but Marika is radagon which is both lady man 😅
Pretty much yeah
But wasn’t the dragons first Elden lord?
Yup but the golden order dabbles in revisionist history which is why Godfrey is known as the "first" Elden Lord
Just like Isshin is Sekiro real protagonist. I see Godfrey as the real protagonist of Elden Ring
Quite shocking for a lore vid for you to keep calling godfrey the first elden lord when the game itself states that before the golden order,the elden lord was Dragonlord Placidusax and that there could have been other elden lords/ages even before that
Yes, but Godfrey's in-game lore also says he was the first. It's revisionist history by the golden order, so within the context of the character, that's what he was known as.
Godfrey is the First Elden Lord of the Golden Order. And since the Golden Order has a tendency to overwrite and rewrite history, that's his official title even if it's not correct.
This might be an unpopular opinion, and it really just is my opinion, but I don't like the way FromSoftware games present lore. I don't think lore should be hidden, easily overlooked and still clouded in mystery (to a huge degree) even after all the lore is researched. Lore is important in games where story has a role. It gives context to why you should even care about the quest you are undertaking, making you care about the characters and care about your mission. You encounter kings and lords, but no citizens or cities that they govern. I hate it when writing is too vague, with it's meaning open to endless amount of interpretation. This is for writers who have no real message to deliver in the first place, and hide their lack of meaning behind abstractions instead. Red flags for me are words like 'alas' and 'thou'. Using old English words which are easily replaced by modern variants is a cheap way to create intrigue. I do think Elden Ring makes up for it big time with it's stunning visuals and great gameplay. But yea, I don't like the writing and lore. To each their own.
It's perfectly understandable if this type of world building doesn't appeal to you, not everyone enjoys the vague nature of a world that gives you the option of discovering its secrets or ignoring them. The only point I'd argue on is the use of old English. Thematically it would make no sense for people in this world to speak in a more modern way. This is old-school fantasy, knights and kingdoms, and it's meant to evoke that feeling; the old English used in this setting fits.
@@square-table-gaming I like it when there is also hidden lore and secrets. But when the secrets are uncovered the story should become less abstract by doing so. When getting to the roots of Elden Ring lore, moreover than not it boils down to the influence of the Greater will or another outer God, who in turn are clouded in too much mystery to make real sense of. The use of old English, for me, takes away from immersiveness because that's the history of the real world. Wherein a fantasy world I think it's cool if that fantasy world stands on it's own fictional history. Elden Rings gameplay is not for me either, but there I can see clearly it's really, really good.
Bro pleaee just get on with the video instead of yapping for the forst 2 minutes
Bro, nah, never heard of an intro?
@@square-table-gaming Keep doing what you do, my dude! Your videos are great!