Pedals Are Back
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- In this video, Bradford and Brian discuss the resurgence of pedals and pedalboards (at least in the Praise and Worship space that we engage in the most).
Were pedals ever really out? What caused people to move to all-in-one modeling units, and what is causing people to come back to pedalboards?
Table of contents:
00:00 - Welcome
00:16 - When did digital solutions really start to take over amps?
02:35 - The market seemed to move to amp-less solutions (specifically all-in-one)
03:31 - Helix allowed people to build complex signal paths (and moved people away from pedals)l
06:10 - Many very capable all-in-one units have come on to the market
07:06 - 'Amp in a box' pedals are encouraging people to go back to pedalboards
09:52 - UA Amp pedals
13:06 - We are seeing more and more people building
13:26 - People have so many options now
13:44 - TONEX ONE!
16:11 - Pedal builders are putting new tech into old school pedals
18:41 - Pedals are getting more complex (and sounding better)
20:50 - Do real pedals REALLY sound better than digital emulations?
21:17 - The main thing is to play the gear that inspires you and makes you happy
21:55 - What's missing from pedals?
25:15 - Conclusion
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Love these discussions!! Such a golden age for guitar players with SO MANY awesome options! Thanks so much for the shout-out gentlemen!
Thanks so much for the options you have given us as guitar players 👏👏
For me is the enjoyment of crafting my own sound inspired on all this legendary guitar sounds and having stand alone pedals is the way to do it
Agreed…I see the convenience of digital “all-ini-one” midi controlled devices, but I’ve discovered the value of building a unique sound and tone by combining stand alone units…
Always have had pedals. Always will. Nothing against all-in-one units, pedals are just FUN. I love the community, the artwork, the brands, the hunt, the used deals. Cheers to all you pedal nerds!
Earlier this year, I acquired a QC and gave away my pedals to my other guitar player in our Worship group. I also sold some of them. I don't see myself going back to pedals anytime soon. QC is absolutely amazing for what it does. It's everything I've always wanted as a live and recording guitar player.
I started playing electric guitar in church when I was 15 (now 26)
Was a tube amp snob for awhile and the iridium was my gateway drug into giving modeling a chance haha. I use a ToneX at the end of my spaceship rig. I’ve never been happier with the tone, consistency and inspiration it gives me.
It’s seriously the best time be a guitarist 🎉
Very much the same story for me too! I started playing at my church when I was 15, but I’m turning 38! I strayed initially with modelling using Boss GT-6 and that was pretty cool, but then went with tube amps for many years - swore off modelling.
Simplifier actually was my ‘gateway drug’ for an amp-less rig, was impressed but not in love… BUT, ToneX came around and that has completely changed my perspective. I hate the term ‘game changer’ but for me ToneX has been. It’s just like running my amps live, but better, more consistent, no live issues with mics, valves failing, etc. And the feel and response to pedals is dead on right.
This video is so relatable. I was tired of the inconsistencies of my tube amp and never being able to turn up my amp as loud as it needed to get the tubes all warmed up and saturated. Switched to the Helix almost when it first came out and then got the Kemper and honestly my tones sounded better than they ever did through a tube amp. Largely in part because of being able to buy some of y'alls early presets for each units! Appreciate all you two do!
I didn’t realize pedals ever left…. But they have gotten too expensive. You can buy a Helix for the price of 3-4 pedals. Just not feasible anymore if you wanna get the boutique stuff.
Pedals in the showcase. Using the Kemper Stage every Sunday and LOVE it.. My rig works for me and then some. Effects are solid period. Thanks WT and Tone Junkie for the set up!
I've been playing in church since the 70s hahaha so i guess I'm old. I feel like I've been through all the iterations of worship music. I currently use a helix but have been thinking of going back to pedals (why not haha). I do like the ease of the helix, it has totally spoiled me. Hey guys I love your videos keep it up!
Completely agree, and great video fellas! One topic that I think was missed, is the recent surge in content on how to put together pedalboards. For me personally, years ago, I would study Brian Onillions Instagram posts and early videos, and that gave me the confidence and resources I needed to build my own pedalboard. More recently, there’s been a lot more of that content available, and I am still learning tons from people like Grant at Goodwood. Plus, the availability of supplies, boards, connectors, cable, etc is making board builds (both simple and complex) more doable for the masses. It’s gonna be fun seeing where things go next, and I agree, this is one of the best times ever to be a guitarist.
Loved this convo gentleman! I am one of those dudes who hasn’t played through a real AC30 😅 I’m 25 and my first pedals/amps was a helix. Sold that last year to build my first board and loved the process. I feel like I missed out on the golden amp age because all the older dudes are telling me about playing live with amps but all I know is amp sims. I do however want to own an amp one day. Cheers 🤙🏼
I went from boards with iso box speaker cabs, iridium, to helix, and now back to a board with the original simplifier. I didn’t realize how much I missed pedals until I had them back in my life. This was a great trip down memory lane!!!!
I've been playing in church since 1968. Of course, for a long time it was only acoustic. Electric guitar started in the mid-90s and then it was guitar to a couple pedals to a solid state amp. I like lesser expensive pedals and SS amps. I've never touched the expensive Helix, Strymon, etc. But someday I might need to cross over to the dark side and replace my amps with amp(s) in a pedal(s). (I really like dry/wet. I say it that way because the dry amp is straight in.)
Great video guys, love this format!!!
I never left pedals, just ordered two Tonex Ones, excited to dive in!
I was never a pedal guy originally; just plug into a tube amp, with a simple overdrive to push it into clipping territory, and GO…now, 20 years later, and love my pedals- one of my favorites is my Nova delay! 😬
I've gone from an HX Stomp based board, to an Iridium based board, and finally a Tonex based board. Every time I would go back to hear my old school analog pedalboard rig, the tones were so much better to my ears. The Tonex tones especially would just disappear in a live mix. They sounded great alone, but had no punch. I have gone back to my analog drive pedals (Tumnus>JHS Morning Glory and a EQD Plumes>Revv G3) all in front of an IR loader with Ownhammer IRs, and I'm getting some of the best tones I've ever had! If it ain't broke...
I actually went modeler because I wanted to get out of the pedal game, because it was such a black hole for me after a while. I think at this point, I am so used to the ease of control that modelers give, as well as speedy options, that going back to pedals would be pretty hard and disruptive for me.
Just went from helix to fm9 turbo, and Brian, I gotta say, you were totally right about the effects. The reverbs are amazing. (helix is still awesome, I just wanted to change it up after 8 years on the platform).
Just got the Simplifier Dlx and love it. Giving this a try after using the IR200 for a year or so.
Tone x brought me back to a board from the helix. I had a hand wired ac30 sitting in my office for years. I sold that and bought two of the big tone x’s. Couldn’t be happier lol
Most people seem to think "what all-in-one unit would I need to replace my pedalboard" but I flip the question and ask "what pedalboard would I need to replace my ~$400 Pod Go". And the answer is, at minimum: at least 4 different effects, some amp+cab sim (tonex one could work well), some eqs and wah/volume, but most importantly a huge midi switcher with loop reordering to glue it all. Plus a beefy power supply and few dozens of cables. There is no way in world that $400 could buy half of this. It's a matter of cost and convenience.
Still got my original Guv'nor purchased in 1988. Doesn't get much airing these days but what a great pedal!
I've had a Marshall Valvestate 100w head, 4-12 cabinet, and a rack mount Digitech GSP 2101 since the 90's. I am now putting together my first pedalboard and I can tell already that I am going to be a pedal collector lol.
What do you all think? Agree? Disagree?
And give us some more topics. We had fun with this one 😎
I’m disappointed. I’ve been playing with helix for 3 years. Finally getting dialed in. Especially after spending lots of dollars on presets and patches and many from you guys. Now you’re saying it was a waste of time and money. Can’t you guys just update your helix patches with the new Amps and cabs and effects. Thanks. Last thing in need is to start getting interested in pedals it will cost me 2K just to get a baseline pedal board
@@dinoparton6598 we are constantly making new patches and have sent out a slew of updates in the last couple months. No plans on stopping. Rest easy 🫡
I never gave up my pedals. But I've been through every iteration of amp modeling. Think I'll stay with ToneX for a bit. Hopefully
I guess I moved the other way. I went from the Headrush pedalboard to the Strymon Iridium, to the ACS1, and now I'm using an HX Stomp. It lets me run a much smaller pedalboard. I keep my drive pedals in front of the HX Stomp, which handles my modulation, amps, cabs, and acts as a MIDI controller for my time-based effects that I have in the effects loop, so I still get my dialed in delays and reverbs. I think right now is a sweet spot of mixing pedals and amp simulators. They play so well together at this point.
Went from Helix LT to a Quad Cortex last year, with that decided to go hybrid and put some specific pedal I really like in the effects loops to put in the chain if I want it. Use the pedalboard and pedals for stage and studio use (guitar and bass) and really like having the flexibility of both worlds now.
I've enjoyed just using the Dream at the of my board (used to use an ACS1). But when I can use my tube amp, I sure use it!
Great video guys. When it comes down to it profiles and stuff like that when you said nothing is cheaper than TONEX one I said out loud TANG G DOES lol 😂
Pedals been here baaaabay!! But we back on top!
One of my favourite amps that I’ve ever heard was a Mesa Xpress 5:50 and from clean to drive the amp just makes everything great. If I could afford it, I would get one and go full analogue.
All this talk of amp modelling makes me really grateful I play in a church that embraces some stage volume. I run my Trinity TC15 (Matchless clone) on stage at reasonable but decent volume. Our drummer doesn’t use a cage. Our bass guy has an amp as tall as he is. Our people love it and we sound great (ok, at least good 😊). But nothing like feeling the amp on stage with you.
I sure do miss those days! Worshipping God in analog!
@@unionagenda Yes, the way God intended 🙂 I understand why the sound people want everything super controlled, but for me I need to feel the amp or it's not electric guitar. We do use in-ear monitors, but still feeling the amp on stage is a big part of the live experience. I have experimented with modelling and running direct, but other than the fact it means not having to move my amp, I don't prefer it.
I bought a kemper 3 years ago. I just built a full pedalboard. Switching between them is fantastic. Now I’m thinking of getting an axe FX
Mooer Model X has 14 amps plus had clean and dirty amps. Plus you can load other amp captures and cab IR’s all for $120 and lower. I love my pedal.
This is amazing
I gave up the fight, in your words, with a BOSS ME-80. It was fine enough. Once I got a Helix in 2020, though, I think I was converted forever. Glitz was life-changing.
Also, I'm moving mostly full time to acoustic guitar at church and what I'm finding is there is almost NO discussion about gear like this in the acoustic realm, for obvious reasons. I'm keeping my Helix relevant by using your acoustic patch for Helix and adding an IR. I might have to find something else to blow--err, invest--money on. LOLOLOL
One journey I’m soon to embark on is tube pedals with digital modeling/profiling. I’ve noticed some boutique pedal companies that put power tubes into some overdrive/preamp pedals and I’m interested to see how they interact with each other in terms of saturation and warmth
What’s maybe a little silly is…I don’t have a Helix but I regularly buy Helix song-specific patches from you guys, then heavily edit it to use my stomp-based pedalboard. So the stick around code at the end was helpful because I’m playing guitar tomorrow! Heheh
It's so tough, because MAN I love pedals, everything about them. The tactile nature of them, the knobs, the artwork, you name it. But I'm an all-in-one Quad Cortex user these days and have been for about 3 years, and the flexibility it provides is just so hard to replicate with pedals - particularly when it comes to signal routing. I'm someone who prefers wet effects AFTER the amp, and that's just harder to pull off with a pedals rig. Mainly just being able to quickly move a delay before or after the amp. If I'm going for the galloping U2 thing, it's nice to run the delay in front of the amp for that. Otherwise, I want delays after the amp. With the QC, I can just do that on the fly. With a pedalboard... I can't exactly bend down and move my delay pedal on my board before and after the amp sim in between songs lol. Because digital solutions have gotten so good, the sonic choice is made irrelevant - a Quad Cortex Z Wreck capture sounds pretty much identical to a mic'd Z Wreck (minus the air being moved). So it's not a matter of sound at that point, it's a matter of ergonomics. And for that... it's just hard to beat something like a Quad Cortex.
Excited to watch this video!!!❤ can we get a good plans guitar cover? It’s one of my new favorites from red rocks!!! (First)
My pedals never left! I have the Kemper, and the headrush core! My pedal board sounds amazing through them both! No pedalboard left behind!!! 😎
I remember back in the 2010's the guy that convinced me that you could go ampless was Lincoln Brewster. He was running a Line 6 POD HD500X! I never caved though. I'm one of the few guys left who still runs an amp.( HX FX, pedals, into an ACHW4) . I think I get away with an amp because it's only 4 watts.
ALSO-- something to add to the "pedals are back" argument. When The Edge played the Sphere he ditched his live amp setup in favour of the Universal Audio pedals. That made me seriously consider an amp in a box.
The thing new pedals and modelers need is a DIGITAL interface!, 20 years ago there were many units that came with SPDIF connector so no A/D/A conversions needed between them, nowadays no single pedal have this important interface that could reduce latency and improve signal integrity, when you run any modeler and 5 pedals (typical pedalboard) you're doing over 12 A/D/A conversions before the signal gets to FOH or your monitor amp, that adds a LOT of latency and signal degradation, I wish all manufacturers incorporate back a digital IN/OUT protocol so the only 2 A/D conversions needed would be between the guitar and pedals and from pedals into amp, actually with a DANTE connector you could go straight to FOH without an analog conversion after the pedals
Exactly my thoughts! Spot on!
I agree. I have a Boss GX100 and an Eventide H90. I may get a dual drive analolog pedal before the modeler but that's it. Gotta watch the Latency.
I like your Idea. And I think I would be nice to have it. But I think it's extra work and as pedal builder maybe the knowledge is missing.
(The drives pedals don't do the a/d conversation.)
@@simons5652 all pedals that do digital processing do A/D/A conversion including drive pedals, there are many digital drive pedals too, only analog pedals don't do A/D/A conversion, and it's not extra work for the manufacturer, adding the digital conector is not much about knowledge but cost related
@@Alex_Martz yes I know that every digital pedal need a/d conversion.
Which popular drive pedals are not analog?
The digital DSP/microcontroller/CPU need to support spidif.
I kept my stomp, sold my helix and went to UA Ruby and Lion mixing them with GFI duophony. It's glorious. I do run a walrus canvas stereo. I don't need to flip phase since the lion and ruby aren't out of phase, but the duophony can flip phase if I need it.
Went hybrid after years of digital, then analog. Just ordered the tonex one to go with my hx stomp. Thanks for the code. Help me save on purchasing the match canyon tonex preset after I already bought the line6 version (loving the patch)
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I use to have a pedal board for acoustic and a separate backup pedal board. And the same for my electric setup but I had dual amps for both. I eventually settled on 2 blues jr(Humboldt editions) and my back-up rig had 2 pro jr.
In total the cheapest rig was the acoustic back up which was about $750 in pedals and Di. The main one was about 2k.
My main pedal board for electric had just over $7K worth of pedals and the price of both blues jr brought the rig to about $8.5k and that was before things like patch cables and power supply, the pedalboard itself which brought everything up significantly.
I was getting married and needed money so I sold everything but my blues jr and main electric board. I got almost $10K from selling everything else on Reverb and Craigslist. I used the money to buy a helix and the rest on my deposit for an apartment and furniture, and of course the wedding.
Now I had more random gear. A peavey bass amp, a supro Neptune, a bad cat cougar, fishman acoustic amp, and a pair of EV evolve 15s. I eventually sold all of it and now have a single Michael Landau Deville for the occasional moment I get to use my amp on stage. A full analog board with a Hx effects. And the helix.
The helix is my midi controller for tracks, my acoustic rig, bass rig, electric rig, and occasional keyboard rig. Yes I run reverbs and delays on my keyboard sound.
The helix basically replaced 4 rigs and added versatility for when I MD worship services.
For even the new price of just under $2K it is harder to sound better and even harder to get this much power.
Even all the new stuff the Quad cortex, the fractal, the keeper, the fender tone pro… all of them are compared first to the helix and then everything else.
So I think it’s funny how everyone else will claim to the best but still be compared to the helix.
Do the do something’s better for sure. Is the form factor better on some absolutely. But the helix floor is a great all in one unit that can also double as the heart of a bigger pedalboard(if you need more)
It’s the best acoustic rig of all if you asked me.
My only wish is that the created a helix core. Essentially the power of the full size helix in a slightly smaller package where it has the same amount of switch’s or at least 8 like the HX effects but no expression pedal, that would be perfection.
I have always used a pedleboard but now instead of isolating my amps in a cabinet I use a UA Woodrow coupled with UA stomp for better cab options.
Scribble Strips are still a game changer. I can't go back see myself going without them anymore.
If most are thinking running 2 ToneX One for stereo here, it's quite a bit more expensive than getting a Boss IR-2 or a used Walrus ACS1. Also, cable jacks are on the side so while 1 unit is compact, 2 units will definitely be larger than the 2 ToneX One pedals (if portability is what one is looking for). I get it ToneX is has captures (amps and pedals) with a world of possibility from what is loaded online, while the other ones are models and IR and more limited to the manufacturer, but if your goal is having stereo amps in a box for portability and you use less than a couple amp models, I think those are still great options that is not obsolete.
Also, I'm thinking instead of releasing a new ToneX Dual for 2 amps in the future, perhaps they're just going to update the large ToneX to accommodate to happen? We'll have to wait and see!
JHS Kilt v1 is still my fav pedal. Will never leave the board. Along with the Protein
Recently built a pedalboard for church playing. Been using the kemper primarily. I’ve noticed a sound difference between using the kemper’s fx vs. real pedals. I do love the convenience of what the kemper provides, but at the same time, there’s nothing like having individual pedals that I know I like and am used to playing on. Literally feel like I get more presence from the pedals.
With the effect "Kemper drives" and the presets it's nice. But yes drives pedals are nice
Love Tonex but only using the software now. Waiting for a Stereo Tonex (if it ever comes).
Fun fact: pedals never left. There’s always something that one particular pedal can do that the modeler/multi-fx can’t.
Still rocking the Strymon Iridium. Never made it over to Helix and whatnot.
I love pedals, always have. I need more tones than one single amp can usually provide. I might be able to get by with a 4 channel amp, but that's pricey.
I'm hoping Line 6 releases something like the HX One but with only the amps. People are loving the Tonex One, but I prefer amp models over profiles.
I never stopped. I still use small tube combos and a pedalboard. Supro Delta King 12 mini polytune tone press odr1 rv6 and a h2o
I agree that pedals are expensive, but I've found a happy medium with a smaller compact tour sized pedalboard with amp heads and load boxes like the torpedo/ox box. To me, those just sound the most authentic.
I like my Kemper with the performance mode. No pedal dancing anymore. I like with one pressing button change a lot of effects
Gig-rig is fine but a Morningstar MC3 with MIDI Pedals is simply satisfying.
Over the last 10 years I’ve been in and out of a board filled with pedals, to a Helix, back to pedals, to a Headrush, back to pedals, GT-1000, pedals… my wife can’t figure out what’s going on. 360 Reverb transactions.
For me the best approach seems to be a hybrid. But mostly single action pedals.
Good tones can be achieved either way. The problem I have with multi units is the user interface. Not enough knobs. I want to be able to reach down, see where the setting is, and change it on the fly. Not have to dial into a series of menus. Not have to worry about saving the setting.
I love pedals! But I am fully digital since more than 9 years now, currently running the FM9. The problem with pedals is like you said: they are expensive. A full blown pedal board + midi switcher running into a ToneX is like 2x the price of the FM9. Does it sound better? Maybe. But what I found, it is easy to become addicted to buying pedals. Basically every month some sick boutique brand is releasing the newest stuff and you WANT it. That is the main reason why I went full digital. One exception for me is Fuzz! A good fuzz sound is only possible with an analog pedal everything else can be digital.
Besides that, I think from time to time if it was the right decision but then I remember that I have basically everything I could wish in the FM9.
love this. Let’s bring the amps back 😂
Fuzz has never left. It’s just better than digital versions can create.
I have a Boss GX100. It is absolutely phenomenal. Especially for $600. You would spend $2000 in individual pedals to do what it does.
Me too. I really like it. Ive got 2 banks (8 total presets) ranging from clean and ambient to overdriven lead and rhythm stuff.
Recently got a tube amp and have been having fun with that. I still use the gx100 in the fx loop for my wet fx like reverb and delays. With compression and OD pedals up front it sounds GREAT
@elliotmcconnell5449 I copy the same preset across an entire bank. That way, there is no gap when I change between programs. Then each one has a different gain stage or several effects activated. It's kind of like scenes on a Helix or QC.
@@ogmakefirefiregood yea, ive basically done the same, but i need to rework them. I rearranged a few things not realizing it broke the tails.
@elliotmcconnell5449 I'm with you there, I have an Eventide H90 I'm going to incorporate into my rig. Mostly for the reverbs. That will free up some dsp. So... time for new patches!
Currently run a pedalboard into an HX Stomp with the stomp doing amp/ir and wet fx. Do you think I’d notice a big difference using a Tonex One before the Stomp, with the Stomp still doing delays and reverbs?
Man, I hope you guys get a hold of the Jet Pedals Unity6
Double Tank was the elusive fifth reverb option.
What everyone gave up was the search for tone.
No Helix for me. It is simply an old outdated system. I use a Mesa Mark V into the sound system with a very small pedal board.
Analogman King of tone, with a cloudburst plus Keeley Halo. The Kiss principle. Always keep it simple if you want to enjoy playing.
What happened to liking the sound of a guitar?
With upgraded IRs (for the ones that allow it), all of these amp in a box pedals sound equally as good as a mic’d amp.
Personally, I think they all sound better than the helix stuff.
Im tempted by the tonex one because for the price of my iridium and a cheap pedal I don’t need, I could do the “real” two amp sound.
We have a small church, in a small room, we do not want any amps on the stage. Which direct box would you use? Also do any of these pedals work as direct box or take the place of one. I love the content, Thanks.
Love this video. I started with an AC15 With pedals running into the front with the amp mic’d with sm57.
Then went to Helix LT for 3 years.
Now I have pedals into and HX effects and ruby. Using the HX for midi as well.
I like to see people come back to pedals. But I never left. I run a 1965 fender bandmaster into two note stuff and have my spaceship board!
I got rid of a lot of totally great old school pedals in the late 80s. For a roland gp 16 rack mount, which is a great unit. It still works. In the last 6 years i have gone back to buying pedals. There are a lot of good ones out there and a lot of junk out there. Oh but i wish i had those vintage pedals i Got rid of
I feel commended wt tone
Do you guys ever run into phase issues using your own stuff thru 2 tonex one?
Please do a review and demo of the MVAVE tank G. It is way cheaper with the ability to do some profiles as well. Has built in delays, reverbs, mods and IR loader
You mention strapping an 1176 to your board. Where would you think it belongs in the signal chain? Guitarists usually throw pedal style compression at the beginning of the chain, but sound engineers would throw it last as they are working with already recorded guitar sounds.
First. Unless you can fork out for two of them to go stereo compression at the end. 😎
Using compression at the end of the chain requires you to approach it differently as well.
Yep….i had two helix units I used for a few years and sold them both a couple months ago. I’m back to pedals….i just missed the simplicity.
Funny. As soon as I saw the ToneX One my first thought was “Maybe I should build a board again.” 😂
At this point in time, does it still make sense to get a Fractal FM9 if I’m chasing raw amp tones and big CCM/P&W tones? Sounds like Tonex is the ultimate end goal
I had the Boss GT stuff for a while
Do you have a Tonex pedal pack with just pedals?
Well one thing is no major competitor has released a modern all in one, since the latest Headrush? Where is the new fractal? New Kemper? New Helix? that is why we are all making boards
“Pre heelix” what is this glorious device or software you speak of? Please endulge us.
I would’ve stayed with the helix, but I got hit with the need for a repair and just to get it looked at was about $100. I couldn’t bypass anything on the unit because the whole unit was affected. So that sour me on the all in one, even though it was my favorite set up. So I chose to go back to pedals and use a single emulator for my amp and so that I wouldn’t have to run into a prohibitively expensive repair again.
You guys should check out the Friedman IR-X and IR-D. I got the X and it is awesome! The Plexi channel takes pedals really well too.
Lol I should have known you already saw this video! 😂
@@BobSince1981 that’s funny 😂 definitely not fooling you with the Bad Cat logo and talking about the Friedman
Anybody remember the Vox Tonelab Le?
👍 if you have an old school memory man on your board? 19:25
I love my helix. But i have never changed a single sound on an amp or effect. I just bought a million patches and click through them. Miss having pedals and turning knobs, clicking on 9 different stomp boxes (never reached midi level).
All hail the long winded pedaling!
Honestly as somebody who up until this point has only owned a small practice combo amp and has only used built in overdrive and reverb, I am unbelievably confused on where exactly I should go from here. I tried putting together a wish list for a pedal board using one of the "amp in a box" pedals and even keeping it pretty simple (board, power, tuner, three drives, amp in a box, reverb) and it came out to almost exactly the price of a quad cortex. Makes it slightly difficult as somebody who owns none of it and is starting at zero to go for the more complex solution rather than the all-in-one.
Get an all in one and learn it really well. You'll find what you like and then you can get the analog equivalent. The hx stomp would be a great place to get started.
1176 is a glorious beast
Please make Tonex / fractal captures of your collection of pedals ;)
You can’t really do a fractal capture of a pedal (well, you technically can, but it’s not very useful in a preset). But we are planning to do pedal capture packs for tonex.
AWESOME !! Ty! @@worshiptutorials
was waiting for the Iridium mention, been using mine since 2021 and have no interest in changing!
You guys need to check out BLUGUITAR amp X that’s coming soon
AXE FX III was after Helix. Fractal itself was before
No love for Neural Amp Modeller? Got my live rig all done for less than the cost of Tonex One. Stereo, Amps, reverb, delay for days.
My church had amps underneath the choir loft. If you wanted to make any changes you had to crawl under there.
WTTone!
For once, I am ahead of my time!