Growing up in the 80s/90s, feminists shamed men for high body counts, for treating women as "just another notch in the belt," but I guess the opposite is OK, right?
And it doesn't have nearly the emotional toll on men like it does with women. The difference in men who have had a high number of partners vs only one or a few is negligible. The difference in women is staggering. From the numbers I've seen, 10 seems to be the "magic number" for women, anything higher than that leads women to be far more likely to have depression and other mental health concerns.
@@markzuckergecko621 _"And it doesn't have nearly the emotional toll on men like it does with women"_ No, that's a "you" thing not a "men" thing. There are many men to whom their wife is the only woman in the world and who would be devastated to sleep with somebody else. _"The difference in men who have had a high number of partners vs only one or a few is negligible."_ Nope, they're exactly the same. You are just as much a THOT as the women you shame... well you would be if you were attractive and or ever felt the touch of another human.
Feminism was never about equality, they just wanted revenge, that’s why they always fight for the things they claimed were bad when men were doing it. If they wanted equality their goal would be to make sure everyone is no longer doing those degenerate behaviors, instead of making sure those behaviors are now done by 95% of women instead of 25% of men like it was before. Rather than make men stop the behaviors they supposedly were so against, they just wanted women to do them. All about jealousy, revenge, and hypocrisy.
I'd say the same of men as well as women. Once a friend of mine called himself a "44 magnum" because he had slept with 44 women. When one of them told him she was pregnant, he responded, "don't worry. I'll pay for your abortion. Whatever you want to do is fine with me."
If you're promiscuous now, why should I believe you're going to change because you're married? Because of a promise society will _never_ make you keep? Lol.
@@FreakazoidRobots I mean personally I would not do it even if I could but I don't have the genetics for it either but for men it is kind of a test of prowess and for women it is a test of delayed gratification
If a man's choices that prevented him from getting a 6 figure job will be judged, why can't a woman's choice to be promiscuous not also be judged? In the end, it's all rules for me and not for thee.
I don't know many, if any, men who willfully didn't get a 6 figure job though. I don't know if it's a locational cultural thing but where I live every guy is trying to get as high up as they can, it's just not all men (or women) are equal and have equal oppertunities either.
@@DutchThriceman that's not the argument at all, it's that the choices you make determine whether or not you're going to have a high paying job. Anyone would make 6 figures if they could, most people can't because of decisions they made in the past.
@@DutchThriceman it's the case of our choices determining our value. A high value woman is recognized by the choices she makes just as much as a man is. So if women don't want men who make poor choices, why should men want women who've also made poor choices? It's the double standard that's torn about the two sexes and keeping them apart.
I can think of two reasons why a body count is a red flag for ANYONE 1. Disease: more partners, more likely to have STDs 2. Loyalty: more partners, more likely to cheat you, ghost you, or be a toxic person (thus the previous partners leaving them)
I'd say it goes deeper than that. Just imagine the moral decision making, time spent, and ability to use other people it takes to get those high body counts. You've got to be throwing more red flags than just sexual ones for a while to get there
When my dad gave me "The Talk" as a kid, a large part of it was him explaining that sex was like a drug, and it could make you so attached to someone that you'd ignore everything that made you non compatible and there's a risk of the relationship continuing until both people got really hurt, or two compatible people would ignore small problems until they became massive problems, again hurting both people. I believe this is called pair bonding. I haven't really experienced love. I saw a few of my friends in school get devastated by bad relationships, and I resolved myself to not go near women during school. There were a couple of nerd girls I thought I liked, but looking back on it I'm pretty sure I just wanted to be their friend because we shared hobbies. After I got out of school I focused on my electrician career and getting financially stable, and I managed to get a mortgage at 22 because of it. I'm 23 now and dating seems like a black box. I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. God always provides, if you have the base intelligence to recognize the paths he's opening for you.
Much hope for you brother. Us trade skill guys got solid experience and hard work ethic to fall back on. If women can't see that as future family security, they ain't the one. Stay the course, build your profile, enjoy life as well, and you'll do fine young buck. I believe in ya.
My dad's talk was son, never get married son, and never have kids, son, it ruins your life, son. Extra reference to not having kids and to me as his kid added for emphasis, lol.
@@morphsuitmeele1171 I like women as much as any normal person, but I never thought I was smart enough to recognize evil women that would ruin my life. That's the main reason I haven't been desperately searching for women. Desperation can make mistakes seem like a good idea. The moment I become desperate, I'm screwed. I'm not lonely, I have irl friends I hang out with at least once or twice a week, and I spend plenty of time with my family and extended family too.
I don't necessarily think it's that. I think it's more that it warps their expectations. Like, you need to be tall like Tyrone, rich like Chad, and funny like Steve
Depends on the number tho sometimes you ain't down for something serious it doesn't fit with the career plan but then you still need to hit now and again so you must pick up these in some one and dones. 53 that is WAY too high like holy crap that is a red flag
That's way oversimplifying. Something like asking about the longer relationships someone has had would be more reasonable. Committing and having sex are not the same thing so you can't just use them as correlating things to figure out the other from a number like that. I guess people REALLY don't trust others so instead of talking like human beings they follow some "hint flowchart" to "know" what kind of person they are dealing with. Not a surprise when you look at the dumb thinking about red flags that you encounter nowadays.
If you've had multiple partners, you've had multiple failed relationships. There's many reasons why body count is a red flag, but that's just the most obvious.
Don't forget that many sexual acts are not considered "being with a partner". So while you already have to triple whatever number she gives, you can be damn sure there's even more sexual acts/favours luring in the background.
Eh I don't know... I don't think a one time tinder or bar hookup can be considered a relationship. Otherwise it sounds like a socialist idea of you having a relationship with the guy you buy groceries from.
@@TheHalogen131 You’re referring to Marxist idea of “relation of production” which is actually relevant to this context since hook-up are just a form of prostitution for free meals and gifts.
The higher the body count also means the higher you were at risk of STDs. No one wants to catch something like that, so it's also a health risk. Edit: It also means they may have had a child at some point with one of those people, which means baby momma/baby daddy drama.
If a man rejects a woman with a high body count, calling him an incel is an attack on his low body count only. Because he's not involuntarily celibate, he rejected her by choice.
Yeah, I've seen guys on the topic of incels mention how their girlfriends/wives call them incels if they say certain things. It's so stupid how people use words to insult without thinking about what the word means.
@@robinthrush9672 I always wonder why those guys don't just rebut with the obvious. You've never hurt a woman so badly as to outright state she's terrible at sex.
Rather the temporary choice of being celibate than being a cuckold. Men don't compete in body counts, when it comes to finding a mate, if you found a trustworthy soulmate for life after only a few tries, then other men will envy you.
@@1985rbaek speaking of envy; I think that's the real reason women insult the low body count of the voluntarily celibate. And anger at being rejected by them too.
Same man. When people ask for my body count, I always unsuspectingly troll them by saying 20 million. Then when they have their doubts, I explain that I thought they intended to know how many people I killed.
"Past choices don't define me!" $1.77 trillion in US student debt currently. Females own 66% of that. Strange how degrees and complaining don't change reality.
Women make up roughly 58% of college students at the moment, and have outnumbered men in schools for the past 20 years. It makes perfect sense that they would have the most college debt. This would be like getting upset if 13% of the population committed 15% of violent crime - it basically matches.
@@lmgesus it’s very very likely, pure logic says that women don’t take degrees for money. They do nursing instead of accounting. Men do degrees for money. And they reap the benefits. One benefit is a job that pays off your student loan. Unlike Starbucks.
😂 going "I've dated 6 partners" and "my body count is *insert number here" it's like "uhhhhhh how many of those overlap? What were you up to? " It shows your potential self value as well.
Something like that can only come out of a hookup culture where the most intimate moment two people can share is reduced to a dehumanized transaction for a dopamine rush.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Same thing when someone's exes are all assholes. 1 asshole ex? Sure. All of them are assholes? Sounds like a you problem.
@@blackosprey2219they treat man like a beast, if you take the views we are made by God and meant for higher things, then that serves to reinforce "dont be hoe man or woman"
If you want anything long term, yes. Being incredibly promiscuous is not attractive. If you had your fun with fifty guys before, and now decide to settle down, don't expect men to just oblige you. I'd want to have that lifetime fun with my spouse, not be her caretaker after she had all of said fun with half the town.
There's always fun to be had. Having had sex with 50 guys doesn't mean she's now somehow "spent" or "blown out", in the same way being a dude with 50 chicks under your belt doesn't substract from your value. I do get it, though. I would prefer a partner with a body count similar to mine, but at the same time I couldn't refuse a woman that I like in every respect and has the same goals as me just because she fucked a lot more than me
Why did virginity become a bad thing? Being a Virgin means you don’t have an std and it also means you respect your self to not just whore yourself out. This goes for both men and women.
@@mongoose6685 that’s exactly the problem. No one cares, who care if you get an std or murder a child because it’s inconvenient for you? Just go and be a whore because that’s somehow empowering these days. It’s disgusting
High body counts carry several implications that Dev misses entirely. Habits are hard for people to break and most people with long-term habits simply never change them. If someone sleeps with hundreds of partners, it's because they have an attitude toward sexual relationships as being disposable and based on short-term impulses and pleasure rather than being a foundational aspect of a life partnership. That is almost always a near impossible habit to break, almost no one breaks it, and it's a death sentence for any serious relationship as once the newness of the relationship wears off, the person gets bored and finds themself facing an irresistible urge to move on to a new partner.... no matter what their intentions are going into the relationship. THAT is why high body counts are bad.... and because of the obvious "whose baby is dis" thing, it's ESPECIALLY bad for women. Men have EVOLVED to avoid promiscuous women because it doesn't work out for them in the long run and they end up just as much of a genetic dead end as a lifelong virgin since they end up spending all their resources and time raising Tyrone's baby.
Yup, very true. And this is just the tip of the iceberg - the psychological ramifications and implications associated with promiscuity are significant and numerous. For example, the promiscuity is often a product of parental issues (for women, it's usually father issues); such issues represent festering wounds that will repeatedly surface and cause emotional problems. Similarly, parenthood is all about setting examples and serving as a template for children; if the example you set is that you have no self-control and pursue carnal gratification at every opportunity... this does not result in well-adjusted, healthy, happy children. The objective reasons for not being promiscuous, and not normalizing promiscuous behaviour, far outweigh the subjective emotional and moral issues. As a whole, society is rendered less stable and functional when everyone is treating sex as a casual pursuit and other humans as interchangeable sources of physical pleasure.
Or that someone is hyper sexual and would need to have a partner that is as well. How often have you heard both men and women complain about being in a sexless marriage? Some of us like to have a lot of sex, and obviously it won’t work if we date someone that doesn’t. It’s easier to sleep around in order to fulfill that desire instead of just being disappointed in a relationship.
@@chrislail3824sexless marriages are 99% caused by women if we discount for medical issues in their partners. There is not a single man on this planet that is healthy and doesn't want to have sex....
@@chrislail3824 I wouldn't say being hyper sexual is a red flag in the same way a high body count is. You can be hyper sexual but still try to stick to long-term relationships, rather than sleeping around. If two hyper sexual people get into a relationship it doesn't have the same risk of two people with high body counts who might be more likely to cheat because they've gotten accustomed to banging a different person every week.
I've never met a person, man or woman, with a high body count that didn't get there without playing games. Time is the most valuable commodity you have. You can reduce the entire body count debate to simply not wanting to waste time on people who have proven their willingness to waste the time of others.
Yeah, one of my buddies is like this (up until he met his current girlfriend he legitimately had a dry erase board of his weekly chores, which included "get laid" and it was not with the same girl most weeks). He's genuinely one of my best friends but I've always found that unappealing about him, to the point I've made it clear I just don't want to hear about it.
In my time, you could get a free pass up to 21 as a guy and still be a virgin while not looking "bad" in the eyes of women so long as you were attractive and either in school, military, or working towards a career. Older than that and you were looked down upon no matter how good looking or successful you were. Even at 21 it was borderline. I remember being 21, in the Air Force, finding a girl where I was stationed, hitting it off, and meeting her parents after a month. Know what her Mom conversation with with me was when she stepped away? "Have you slept with my daughter yet?" "No Maam." "Well do you have any STD's then?" "No Maam." "Did you get recently tested?" "No Maam. I am still a virgin." "What is wrong with you?" "What do you mean Maam?" "How are you a good looking guy at your age that is still a virgin?" She literally said that with a disgusted look on her face. Needless to say, the relationship didn't last long after that. I wanted my first to be with someone special that I intended to be with. Even during that time it was viewed strangely by most people to be that way. So I had a 1 nighter shortly after just to have that under my belt. I still was never the type of guy to want to have a high body count. I even remained celibate by choice for many years because truth be told I was disgusted by modern western women. I have been happily married for over 10 years now with 3 kids once I found a non-American citizen for a wife. She is also over 10 years younger than me. No way I was going to look at women in their 30's when I was the same age and had to consider their baggage. I tried but it was a crap show every time.
Im the same way. Ive turned down multiple opportunities for sex due to my faith/moral convictions on the subject. Whenever im asked the question i just lie about it to avoid the awkward conversation that always follows. People just cant fathom that a guy can think with anything other than his dick.
This is a pretty big issue for guys nowadays. The things men look for in a relationship can generally only be evaluated through experience. If a woman wants a guy that's rich or tall or good-looking, specific degree or a whole host of other things that they put very high on their list then they simply use their eyes to find these things. But for a guy, if he wanted a girl that was a virgin or one that he knows would treat him well or what kind of relationship partner she is, these things can generally only be evaluated by actually getting into a relationship with the girl. Everyone likes to say that men shouldn't have high bodycounts but there's very few other methods for men to evaluate women as relationship partners except through experience apart from waiting for years and years being entirely celibate and just hoping you'll come across a girl that is all of these things at pure face value which is exceedingly rare
If it’s okay to view men with high body counts as frivolous fratboys who don’t want to settle down (which we do, let’s be real) it’s equally acceptable to assume the same of women.
The only reason why i would judge them differently is because i dont date men, amd couldn't care less about their past lol. But in general, high BC is sus, for both
@@marmite_popsicle Even if you aren’t dating men with high body counts, you still make judgements on their personality and character based on it. I personally find it harder to be friends with guys who sleep with new women every couple of weeks.
@@ImortalZeus13 Yeah but that’s not because of the guys high body count, but all the other character traits that come with that kind of personality type.
@ImortalZeus13 most people who are not sngle feels this towards those guys (and girls). It makes it harder to make a cohesive group while your just trying to chill with your friends/family. It'd not the worst thing, but that feeling is still there
women tend to be attracted to men who are attractive to other women - that is one major difference. Tinder statistics show that women are interested in the very top of men only - this is an another major difference between men and women. Men and women are a completely different animals, stop thinking that we are equals, we are not. There is clear evidence on this, and ppl keep having amnesia about it.
Oh, gawd, he went and made a video about it. XD The logical reason to value chastity is to avoid someone who has exposed themselves to potential disease and someone who has damaged their ability to pair bond - the former being common sense, the latter being scientifically proven. The rational reason is because someone who is chaste is less likely to get bored and dump you the second their sexual ADHD overcomes their loyalty.
people who harp on about "pair bonding" only look at the sexual side, and forget that it also applies to friendships, children and family. Do you only care about one parent? Do you think people should only have one child? Do you only have one friend?
@@GameFuMasterI would think forming an intimate sexual relationship is vastly different than a friend relationship. Letting a vastly stronger physical person close intimate contact with your body in a very vulnerable position bond's you emotionally in a way that nothing else can. Not exactly the same but children form a very close bond with their parents because inherently children know how vulnerable they are. Just see any child left alone in a store and you can clearly see how quickly their panic steps in.
A similar case can be done for pornography, the longer is the viewer exposure to it, the harder (lol) it will get for that individual to develop a healthy relationship and intimate bond with their partner.
Being young and screwing around is no excuse for your decisions as an adult. It says something about your character, priorities and values. I didnt screw around when I was younger, and I'll never be interested in a woman that doesnt share the same values.
@@thegiga-bigot3000 I take it those WoW years aren't haunting now? Some people travel the world for a year, you took a year to focus on a hobby. I'm not saying you should commit to build up your future 100% of the time or that persuing a hobby is bad. Just dont do anything you know you'll regret down the road
@@TheAquarius87 I think your original post was perfectly on point when talking about the kind of people (of both sexes) that spend their years being promiscuous and demand that society ignore that aspect of themselves or even treat it as a good thing. If someone truly wants to change their ways, shows it with their actions, and you're into them I think they deserve a chance, but otherwise keep those moral values strong. It is a good thing to have standards, for both men and women.
Yeah, there was one video where a guys GF (I think, maybe) did something shity to him because she thought some other guy did it, was called out in the commments and all the responses in ber defence mentioned incel non-stop.
@@kylemendoza8860Yeah but just because someone isn't laid or is a virgin, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is hungry for sex or is trying to get sex and is bitter to women because of that. What if he is staying a virgin for his future wife? and wants his first time to be with his future wife? The word incel is used against the wrong people. It's like using femcel as an insult if I ever fall in an argument against a woman.
@@D402S Incel means involuntary. He is staying a virgin for religious reasons. Are you simply just not interested. Then he is not an incel by definition.
As a guy trying to get back into the dating scene, I almost feel like I'm pointing out the obvious here, but the simple fact is when most people see "I've slept with [x] people" what they read is "I've had [x] failed relationships". Which then makes people think, "Why so many?" "Is it really always them or maybe the problem is you?" "What will make me the exception?" etc etc. It's really that simple
Yep. That's also been how I've seen people translate body count numbers. Especially if you give a rather high number and you're young too. You'll definitely be looked at with disgust.
Listen, a women that has a high body count has proven that she has a habit of moving on to the next fun thing. People don’t change easily so why would anyone risk trying to settle down when the divorce courts are brutal towards men?
1. Nobody can infringe upon your standards. If you don't want to be with high body count people, so be it 2. People do change with age. Being a slut in your early 20's doesn't mean still being one in your late 20's or early 30's 3. There are chaste people of all ages. I think most women are still very selective with their romantic and sexual partners 4. Divorce courts being brutal towards men is a bit of an exaggeration. It's true that women win custody of children more often, but it is also true that a lot of men don't even pursue custody. Also if you settle with a partner of similar income, you can't really lose much in the divorce, and if your ex-tradwife that has no work experience takes half of your stuff, that seems fair enough. She was kinda working for you this entire time.
@@andreisandulescu9042 >a bit of an exaggeration >leaves alimony totally out of the argument >the double-whammy of losing your children and all of your money along with your wife totally ignored >can even lose your own fucking house in the process >reduces the man to an empty husk of his former self and awards his kids with a worse future he's still supposed to account for without everything he's earned Yeah a lot of things do seem minor when you reduce them to the point of being something else
Most dudes just find it gross. It’s no different from being fat, short, poor, whatever, it’s just something that makes you unattractive to a potential partner. What’s interesting about the body count is that it only really makes you unattractive as a long term partner, so women might think “men don’t care I get plenty of guys” and they won’t realize what’s happening until they try to settle down
Its like the frog boiling in the pot analogy. The worst part is that even if you lie to your spouse about it(something you should never do) you have conditioned yourself to a lifestyle that is based on short term pleasure instead of long term development meaning that most relationships you have will have a high chance of failure.
@@wafflecone6968 that but i think also a bit less dramatic. Body count is just one of many variables we judge women on. Looks, personality, friend circle, famile, ect. Its not impossible do date someone with a high BC but it certainly won't help her in her prospects.
It's very simple to me: a relationship is about 2 people who put each other first. People who go like "I first want to have fun, only then will I find someone to settle with" by definition don't put you first. That's a recipe for disaster.
If you value marriage as an institution worth sacrificing your life for then you would spend your time before getting married preparing for marriage. It isn't a parachute you can deploy after you burn out.
@@EmperorSigismund There's a huge difference between spending time before fully committing to someone, and only wanting to commit to someone after she was all used up and couldn't get Chads to hang out with her anymore.
I mean, Jabba the Hut had, at LEAST, the slimy bastard look - the wealthy mafia crime lord ascetic - one doesn’t become a crime lord without being smart and holding onto a portion of Tatooine for lord knows how long as a literal man sized slug. He might be ugly - but he is intelligent and ruthless. This gives a begrudging respect. On the other? These people likely have nothing but grotesqueness and nothing special to give a title of being *Despite* - of despite being a fat slug Jabba the Hutt was a still a cunning warlord on Tatooine . . . These people don’t have a despite. If someone makes an attempt to not be the Hutt, with a good personality to match, then I don’t mind said person.
I wouldn't say that the standards have fallen. It's that men are attacked and ostracized for having those standards. Feminism rules by fear, and they have had the legal system and society metaphorically bludgeon men over the head with blunt objects sufficiently to make them stop talking about it in the mainstream.
@@thomgizziz Men have pair bonding. And it gets damaged the higher the number of women he sleeps with. Men (and women) who have a high number of sexual partners and are or even were promiscuous in life have higher divorce rates, higher rates of cheating, more sex addictions...it is true that high body count is bad for both male and female. Nature had intended us to live in small numbered groups and hook up with the other at a young adult age with people we knew our whole life from the community for lifelong partnership. Most humand for tens of thousands of years, men and women, only ever had sex with one person, their spouses. And the pair bonding, trust and friendship is strong.
I don't think that feminists have considered the ramifications of "dismantling the Patriarchy". I think that their conceptualization of what the Patriarchy is is extremely flawed.
There is no patriarchy here. Enough men here in the West willingly gave up some of their power years ago so that women have basically completely equal rights.
Their conceptualization of what the Patriarchy is is purposely extremely flawed so it can be molded to mean whatever they need it to mean at the moment.
Please, men, don't let women take over. If it was all women, there would be a swift effort to bring back the asylums (to deal with all the damage from mental warfare, and to hide all the social outcast women who aren't "in the club.") The actual crazy ones would run the asylum, inside and outside the walls.
One of the greatest curiosities I've had with both feminists and MRAs is that they don't seem to understand that "patriarchy" and "gynocentrism" are not mutually exclusive.
I just hate how open and obsessed with sex our society is, I get that everyone is different but even as a women I find excessive sex trashy, both for women and men. What you do in private is none of my business but can we not glorify it? There's more to life than sex. On an extra note note how insulting men for their small genitalia/low libido/lack of sex/insecurity is acceptable but as soon as you make fun of a fat woman you're dead. With this hypocrisy it's no wonder that dudes are becoming genuinely scared of women.
Wow, a woman with sense, how rare. I agree it's indeed trashy, the degree to which people excessively have sex these days. I can't watch a movie or TV show anymore without a sex scene, which I have never in my whole life understood why these are in our media. These scenes are rarely ever even relevant to the story. I think men are becoming scared of women more because of their ability to accuse us of rape and have a high chance of succeeding at ruining our lives with no evidence whatsoever. It's not worth the risk.
"The progressive view is to have no past at all?" SFO, that's ludicrous. The progressive dig up tweets from forever ago to get into a moral panic about homophobia/misogyny/sexism/racism/transphobia/etc.
I know a woman who told me that she was only with 3 people before, only a month or so later she told me that it was "at least a hundred". She also rigorously cheated on her boyfriend (and did so with her previous boyfriends). I've never met a woman like this who has ever counted the exact number of men because women often forget the men they've slept with. Men on the other hand generally remember every woman they've been with in every detail.
@@Trawdestruction it's different when It's that woman you were seeing for 4 years to that woman you probably shagged in Ibiza back in 2001, when you were absolutely smashed.
How do you sleep with a hundred people in a month?? Something ain’t quite right. Did she do a gangbang every 2 days? Did she lay down and invite a hundred men to run an infinite train on her? Sounds exhausting
It really shows how feminism has failed an entire generation of women that the first thing she points out about herself when saying her body count shouldn't matter is "I have a job." She is so delusional that she doesn't realize that men should and do care about different things than women do. Women find a man with a good job attractive because it means he can provide. But very very few men find "has a job" as an attractive quality in women. The fact that she doesn't understand why body count matters, and then goes right on to bragging about how she has the traits she wants in a man, shows that she doesn't understand that most men aren't looking for masculine qualities in their woman.
I disagree. I find having a job to be a very important quality. Or at least actively looking for one. It means a woman is able and willing to take responsibility for herself, isn't a social leech and can have some tangible skills. For me it's all great.
@@TheHalogen131 Unless she’s fucked her way into the job and up the corporate ladder, many such cases. Not to mention all the diversity mandates coming from governments and monopoly corporations.
The irony of calling men 'incels' because they won't accept you for your high body count, as if you are entitled to a man's body by pressuring him into a relationship with you. They don't owe you love, same thing you told the incels.
Good decision: Treat every man you are intimate with respect, accept no less in return, and be intimate once your are familiar with each other. Bad decision: Making your bedroom a revolving door for guys you've maybe had half a conversation with, and letting them record it.
Not only do you run a high risk of someone having STDs if they have a high body count but their brain chemistry is permanently altered to be less responsive towards love. Love is very much like a drug and the more you are exposed towards it with a large number of partners the more tolerance you develop. This is why you will never love someone as deeply as your 1st love and your 3rd will be less than your second and so on. So a woman with a high body count will be almost completely indifferent towards their partner simply going through the motions of addiction.
Makes a lot of sense kinda like they say with porn.. you need to go more extreme cause your chemistry changes.. it makes sense wha t you’re saying. Personally i still dont get the shaming of virgins.. they’re not the same as incels.. never understood why taht is a con.. i thnk a guy who has had a lot of girlfriends but not body count.. tells me the guy didn’t just give out same for a girl.. I dunno
@@npcimknot958 The shaming of virgins started around the time of the sexual liberation movement, around the 70s. For the same reason why house wives are browbeaten today. It'swomen pulling other women along into their failures.
Add in being adopted and bow that permanently changes your brain from birth to both crave and flee from love and caring, makes sense I'm 40 and alone lol. How can I trust women when the only woman who was supposed to love me tossed me?
I have a shit ton to add to this conversation on why it matters and how the issue isn't male standards at all. Women want the men they hate, and hate the men they want. It's literally just learning performative hatred and cry bullying as a viable social strategy.
Don’t worry, it all comes to a head when they inevitably hit *The Wall* I’d call it *The Wall Maria* but that would be an insult to the Virgin Mary, so no…
Every single time I see "body count" anywhere I cannot help myself and turn the gamer brain off before the inavitable question rises "Yeah but what's her K/D ratio?"
That's the better option. I always remember stories from my grandpa who was drafted in freshly liberated Czechoslovakia as WWII ended and because there was an extreme shortage of everything, he was issued a "confiscated" rifle (taken from a corpse of a nazi soldier). Grandpa mentioned it had 7 very clear cuts on the side. That's what I think about when I hear "body count".
Even a kissless virgin would backpedal a bit when faced with a two digit body count potential partner. Not because of disgust but because, why would they spend time nurturing a relationship with this person when it can abrutly end on whim like the previous relationships this person had. It is a clear risk versus reward kind of situation and folding the game while still ahead.
@@afuzzycreature8387exactly, considering that they're likely to complain about being objectified by menthey sure do love objectifying themselves, I'd say its rather ironic.
100% yes. Yes the count does matter. The more partners a woman has the more likely your marriage or relationship will fail. And that's just for starters.
Both men and women with high body counts are less valuable as a partner when you're wanting to take life seriously and settle down. 🤷♂️ Sargon is partially right for sure in this case.
I find it hard to believe that the guy asks for body count that crudely A lot of these kinds of stories I hear from women always sound fake They can’t help but make the villain in their story cartoonishly evil
Guess it depends on the broad. If she’s proud about it or lacks any shame then she’ll eventually tell on herself about all her bfs and guys she’s seen.
Then how's a correct way to ask for body count? I'm 19 and to be honest, while most pf my classmates during school where "dating" i chose to study, however i find myself anxious about the subject, i don't want to have a relationship with someone whose had many men before me, and i don't want to waste my time dating someone until the subject casually comes around. I want to save myself for someone special, and i would wish for a partner that does the same.
I can understand being in your 30's and having zero shits to give when it comes to wasting your time, especially with something as hit or miss as dating.
*_Speaking of men being told to "get a grip"_* Have you thought about talking of how male abuse tends to get taken less seriously? I genuinely would want to see that cause i have heard horror stories of guys getting raped and them getting laughed at and turned around. Ive genuinely been curious to see how well that could work as a video
It's true, but as a man it pains me to say that most of the reasons why many people don't take it seriously are because of the social pressures that men create.
@@andresnavarro5978 It's gallows humor because we know no one cares even at a young age. There's an intuitive nature of hyper-agency given to males and hypo-agency given to females. This is why when two drunk people have sex, the man is responsible even if he blacked out and she was fine (Amy Schumer). The social pressure heavily comes from women and I await the inevitable comment from someone worshiping at the altar of women-worsting denying men's victim-hood "because it's worse for women."
@@andresnavarro5978 It isn't really guys that create that though. I was a poor kid who grew up in the ghetto, suffered familial abuse from my mother and was the regular punching bag for most of the bullies. Most of whom were females controlling their shitbag simp army. The teachers, who were mostly female, were happy to either ignore me or punish me fir fighting back. And all the females in my life were happy to simply tell me to Man up. Wanna know who was there by my side when i was down on the ground fighting someone, it was my brother, it was my friends, my homies. All dudes. Guys aren't really the ones telling men to Man up. It's old fuck dude who haven't taken their balls out of their wife's purse in 50 years and women who do that. Cause most guys actually know what the pain guys feel is like. Cause they felt it too.
The thing is, the higher someone's body count is, the more likely you are to be "just the next one on the list". not only that, but one important thing in a long-lasting relationship is basically the "mutual exclusivity". In a way, the relationship between a couple is supposed to be special. But when your S/O has had train after train run over her, what makes your relationship special? At best, it becomes a sex-friend coupled with a roommate. There isn't that notion of mutual exclusivity. There isn't anything special in that relationship. And because there is nothing special in that relationship, there is also nothing of value in it. And those with a keen eye would notice that I didn't use "women" at all. That's a standard that applies to both. After all, if you fucked 50 different women, what's so special about the 51st?
>The thing is, the higher someone's body count is, the more likely you are to be "just the next one on the list". And that is fine. Maybe you're just looking to hook up, but if you're not, you'll probably figure out their not looking for a long term relationship. Have a bit of fun and let go. Look for women that want what you want. I know that can be tough because I myself am looking for hot goth gamer chicks that also want to settle down and have kids in their late 20's/early 30's and I can't find any, but I shall never stop >After all, if you fucked 50 different women, what's so special about the 51st? It's not just about sex, though. Maybe you finally found someone you really like to spend time with and can see yourself settling down with.
I wish the "trauma response" people understood that what they're doing isn't a "get out of X free card", it is instead a "I am incapable of responding to this in the way that a normal, rational person would do. Please accommodate me by treating me as lesser for things relating to this subject. If you treat me as an equal I may freak out."
I do think there is something to be said about the psychology of a high body count, with it demonstrating inability to commit and/or doing it and frying your ability to emotionally pair-bond.
which all has to do with paternal investment: he wants to know the potential offspring is his, and since human females are concealedly ovulating, female behaviour is the best measure to judge the risk.
It doesn’t demonstrate that as a matter of fact. Sometimes people like sex when they’re single, but settle down once they find someone they do emotionally pair bond with. What you’re describing is a bit of pseudo psychology
..also: "Life history theory is a framework that aims to integrate comparative, cross-taxonomic data into a framework comprising life course attributes such as the timing, pace, and forms of reproduction and reproductive effort[3]. Sexual strategies theory is an evolutionary perspective on human mating that suggests that both men and women have pursued short-term and long-term matings under certain conditions where the reproductive benefits have outweighed the costs[4]. The number of sexual partners, or body count, can be associated with life history strategy theory in the following ways: - High body count can be associated with a fast life history strategy, which is characterized by early reproduction, high reproductive effort, and short lifespan[1]. - Low body count can be associated with a slow life history strategy, which is characterized by delayed reproduction, low reproductive effort, and long lifespan[1]. - Body mass index (BMI) has been found to be a predictor of sexual history among heterosexual men and women, with higher BMI associated with lower number of sexual partners[2]. In summary, the number of sexual partners can be associated with life history strategy theory, with high body count being associated with a fast life history strategy and low body count being associated with a slow life history strategy. BMI has also been found to be a predictor of sexual history among heterosexual men and women. Citations: [1] www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-handbook-of-evolutionary-perspectives-on-sexual-psychology/life-history-theory-and-mating-strategies/787949F5F8967F5D7DC3AFBEC8435FBF [2] journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704915604563 [3] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK97289/ [4] labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2015/09/SexualStrategiesTheory.pdf [5] www.jstor.org/stable/3813162 [6] repository.arizona.edu/bitstream/handle/10150/195137/azu_etd_11151_sip1_m.pdf?sequence=1 "
Not to mention STDs are a thing and neither men or women should be fucking in the scores of people. As well as fucking all the time makes it easy to ignore the flags that your partner and you aren't compatible. So many relationships fail because people get in bed before they actually get to know each other.
I would be able to confirm this from personal experiences but i don't know if there are actual statistics that show a corelation or if it would be possible to definitely confirm it.
No, a woman with a high body count is always a bad thing. It shows pretty extreme issues with decision making, risk evaluation, and developing relation ships. Ignoring these major red flags is a bad ides not just for men, but for anyone hoping to trust her with any kind of responsibility.
It's bad for society as a whole - someone like that, running through countless people in their pursuit of short-lived physical pleasure, is like a stone thrown into still waters; if one person does it, it's likely that those they did it with will do the same. Suddenly you have an entire generation who are incapable of forming normal, healthy relationships... which means you have an entire generation who are not settling down and reproducing in stable, traditional family structures, which means you have a subsequent generation born to broken homes. Hell, stone in still waters? Unrestrained and widespread promiscuity in a society is more like a shotgun blast.
it’s really the argument of “ why do men only want me for my body ?? “ well because you sleep around a lot and those types come out when they know you’re giving it up . and then years later wonder why they can’t find a good guy . it’s because good guys don’t want someone who is willing to let random strangers fuck . and even if people praised men for the same behaviour which they really don’t , it shouldn’t matter . if someone gets praised for killing someone doesn’t mean you should be out killing people
It's a reflection of her capacity to make good decisions, and her attitude towards intimacy. If you aren't a narcissist, you understand will not be the deciding factor for her behaviour, so how she conducts herself outside a relationship is relevant, because that won't magically change once she's in one.
You can love anyone. However, it's best to acknowledge one's past for the mistakes made. A high body count is a reflection of mistakes, male or female, it shows a lack of initiative to find a suitable partner to build a relationship with. There's also the question of pair bonding and chemicals released biologically during coitus, the negative effects that a high body count will have on that.
We all make alot mistakes though, nobody would be with anybody if we only focused on that. You may pay atention on body count but the girl may focus on another things you've done in the past as well.
*Yes.* If you cant or won't be faithful or committed to anything in your youth why would I trust that you will be later in life? Especially if the relationship hits any sort of rough spot. As a man I want to know that I am not slaving away on someone who will go behind my back or who has a history of not being willing to commit to a relationship. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
If you're trying to find someone to settle down with long-term and they tell you they've slept with 30+ other people, why the hell would you assume you're going to be the last? Either they've thus far been incapable of maintaining a relationship or, more likely, they place very little sentimental value on sex, in which case there's no reason why they'll suddenly stop seeking out other sexual encounters just because they've met you. Sure it's a possibility, but why take that risk?
Because there is a difference between sex and love making. There is a difference between a fling and a relationship. Because when entering a relationship with someone, you should value MORE than just their bodycount and learn who they are as a person. Do they comitt in other areas? Are they part of a club, chairty, or team? Do you bond over shared experiences and are you both willing to take an oath to one another? People too stupid to see these distictions deserve each other.
When I was in art school I made a reputation for myself as a bit of a cad. I slept with a lot of girls there. Very soon there was a stigma associated with dating me. It absolutely has consequences for men. Women who think men just have sex like that are deluded.
I (f) was ashamed of being a vigin and immediately rejected any guy who approached me. I compared myself to all the porn girls and how I had no experience, yet I was afraid of men. When I opened up about what happened in my past, I was just told to get over it and stop being a nun. I'm sure my experience isn't as common now a days but it also happens on the otherside of the aisle.
Anyone afraid of commiting to a relationship is normal if you are looking for one that matters. It's not good to let the thought paralyze though. In looking for a loving relationship, find someone who is genuinely kind and has integrity. There are other considerations as well, but love is your ability to commit to and sacrifice wantingly and willingly for another you care for. So a genuine heart and a sense of personal responsibility are the building blocks for that.
Why compare yourself to the porn girls? You already know guys are attracted to you. And believe me, most of them will see your lack of experience as a GOOD THING.
@@ivansmirnov7342This stuff isn’t always rational. I’m sure girls get the same kind of virgin shaming as guys where they don’t want to be seen as bad in bed.
@@Seirra72 its a little different for girls. Guys will shame them not for the lack of experience per se, but for not doing anything at all and just laying there while their partner is doing all the work. Nobody will shame a girl if she’s at least trying to do her part, even if she lacks experience. Guys are getting shamed for not even being able to get a partner. Which isn’t a problem for women at all. “The stuff isn’t rational” - well, we’re talking about emotions here. So ofc. it’s irrational. But there are still underlying reasons for why people feel a certain way. Once you start dissecting it, start figuring out why exactly it happens - it becomes a little easier to manage ones emotions. It gives you a chance in a fight against your fears. If something is “irrational” it doesn’t mean you can’t understand and/or overcome it. It just means that the true reason, is hidden a little deeper.
chastity is a logical moral marker because it tells you that the person is able to delay gratification. that ability is considered a moral good in almost every society in some way.
There are so many ways of having fun. Going out with friends on trips, reading books, joining a club, etc. How on earth is sex "fun"? Sex is something you do with a person you are extremely close with and have kids with, such as your spouse. There is no difference between a person who goes around sleeping with random people on the street for "fun" and a P-star.
One of the problems of promiscuous women who repented is that they are often at the age where they are desperate for having a family. And under such circumstances it is quite doable to stop sleeping around for a few year. But as soon as the marriage get's boring they get into a midlife crisis and cheat. That is why I don't recommend a religious person to marry a woman with a high bodycount who repented. Yes, in the Bible there is a lot of symbolism how God acts as a loving husband to the promiscuous Israel. And the Bible tells us a man should love a woman like Jesus loves the church and we should forgive 7 times 70. But at the same time the only reason for divorce which got mentioned by name was sexual immorality. Because of that I don't think the Bible promotes for Christians to go into stupid relationships where there is a high risk of cheating down the line. Also forgiving isn't absence of consequence. All sin has consequence. Sometimes we have the grace to be freed from the consequence of some of our sins. But we can't demand other people to not only forgive us but also ignore all consequences of our actions. That would be an inversion of Christian morals. I don't know what other religions say on that topic.
I would say that kind of woman has not done enough healing and self reflection during her time repenting. I still think Christian men should give these Christian women a chance, but yes they should not go into a marriage blindly and should really evaluate each other fully before entering into such a union. The former promiscuous women should be humble enough to acknowledge that their past actions have long lasting negative effects on them psychologically that makes them more suspectable to that kind of sin than a virgin. And should always pray for strength against relapsing.
@@feliz2564 I think the position I represented and the position you represented are both valid and not naïve. In my case I want to have a more strict rule because even if I loosen it a little, it will still be in the tolerable range. Also I think if somebody is in love then they tend to overlook red flags. So I would say better safe than sorry. If you can guarantee an objective view on your potential spouse then go for it.
The more people hook up, the less able they are to actually form a "bond" with someone. Women are affected more by this bonding chemical than men, but it does affect men, too.
Thats correlation not causation. If you bother to read the extensive scientific literature on the topic you will find that both issues are highly correlated but not caused by each other. For practical purposes it makes no difference really but what causes both is usually substance use and inherited genetic traits that are predominantly responsible as well as our shifting culture that makes it not only easyer than ever to be promiscuous but also seems to encourage and glorify it.
I am academically curious about average body count of professional body counters, and suspect it to be actually quite low due to repeat customers and such.
2 to 3 boyfriends in the past also show that she failed in 2 to 3 relationships. That's why no hymen no diamond is the best way forward. Having said that of course it lowers the severity of the promiscuity by a ton. But think it this way: How is it that women and men in the olden days married their first partner and had the longest lasting and most loving relationships? They didn't have any trial runs or experience yet they made it work.
If the goal is to stay married an avoid divorce at all cost then body count definitely matters. If a woman has 0 sexual partners before marriage then the chance of divorce after 5 years is around 5 percent. After one partner it jumps to 20 percent, or more than 4 times. Is she has had 10 or more partners then the chance of divorce after 5 years is 35 percent, or 7 times the risk. This is simply an unacceptable amount of risk, IMO, when you take into consideration the legal, financial, and emotional cost of divorce.
@@mrdbzfannThere's been studies here and there, with varying results but an overall trend. I just googled randomly and turned up "Re-Examining the Link Between Premarital Sex and Divorce." I havent read this study, but skimming the abstract it seems similar to some graphs I've seen. Sorry if you wanted more, but this might give you an idea.
If you google virgin divorce rate this is the first thing that pops up. I would encourage you to try it yourself. For all three cohorts, women who married as virgins had the lowest divorce rates by far. Eleven percent of virgin marriages (on the part of the woman, at least) in the 1980s dissolved within five years. This number fell to 8 percent in the 1990s, then fell again to 6 percent in the 2000s.Jun 6, 2016@@mrdbzfann
High body count for both men and women is a sign of an underlying mental health issue (at least I've found). I've often heard it said that men high five over body counts and yet in 37 years I have never seen this outside of celebrity (Hugh Hefner types). In high school I remember one guy in particular having a higher body count and no one was lining up to shake his hand. I actually remember kinda feeling bad for him. Even though he was a bit of an ass I remember his home life was not the greatest (we became friends which is how I found out).
I honestly think society over exaggerates promiscuous men being praised. Most of the women in my life have said they would never date a playboy because of them possibly cheating or leaving them. Heck even my best friend and I are disgusted by the idea of sleeping around. I've met other dudes like this too who value chasity, modesty, and being monogamous.
@@feliz2564 Yeah, society never really praised men for being promiscuous - women themselves valued men who had "experience". Which is to say, women in their 20s would find a man in his early 30s attractive not because he had slept with many women, but because he had perhaps been with two or three, had relationships, the ups and downs, and was now both sexually competent and emotionally stable. Men who relentlessly slept around? Were generally treated with disdain, and many were the historical names for them - bounder, cad, womanizer etc.
Agreed. Anyone, male or female, who needs more than one hand to count their sexual partners is automatically suspicious when it comes to marriage or long-term relationship potential. (Victims of SA excepted, of course. Although that brings its own set of issues for relationships.)
Value is in the eye of the beholder. People should make no apologies for their preferences. Though accepting that you may have to compromise may be a nessicary pragmatic approach if you don't want to be alone forever.
This. I have to accept that I'm only going to find 1 women to settle down and have children with me, and I might still have to empty the washing machine and take the bins out.
That end discussion really hit close to home as far as my anxiety as a guy, and the social shame I feel for having mental health problems and how I'm just supposed to "suck it up". In a hundred years, the way we manipulated each others' mental states in present society will be seen with the same level of disdain and Excalibur-face as racism and eugenics.
Not true. We'll perfect social manipulation with the data acquired through data harvesting. As to you're other points, racism is only bad now because both because of indoctrination and that we have enough to around that we're not breaking into "tribes" for survival. Eugenics will find a comeback soon as we're approaching the point of genetic engineering. If anything, they'll regard our time as a group of morons who abandoned all forms of advancement for various emotional and moralistic highs.
*Dev: "...what happened with her from a logic-chain perspective."* Motte-and-bailey. She used a Motte-and-bailey, and not even a good one. Three words.
@@gaia7240 Nonsense women whether it be any semblance of a relationship with a man provided she isn’t being abused has the power in a relationship. And as society goes I mean just look at the whole sssniperwolf situation and tell me that she’d get the same slap on the wrist if she was a guy. I dare you to try and tell me that with a straight face.
It's insane to me that so many people have become so entitled that they believe they are owed a relationship by the universe. No one is allowed to be critical of anything anyone does. Even the smallest critique or "eh that's not really my style" can set a person off like a nuke and make them hate you. That's true for both men and women; I won't pretend it's just women, even if it is more prevalent among them. There is almost always someone for everyone. Just because it's not who you want doesn't mean it's not true. Relationships are about giving and taking, growing and changing; they are not about ticking items off of a list. You will never have a good relationship if you wait to find the "perfect" person, if you even get one at all. Men seem to have a better grasp on that than women, but holy shit do I still see some incredibly entitled men demanding their perfect fuckdoll (or a harem of them) while cursing women as a whole for not wanting to be treated like shit so he can fulfill his fantasy. Stop acting like main characters. We can't all be the center of the universe, and I'm sure as hell the most entitled people on the planet are nothing more than rarely seen, obnoxious background characters at the very best. god the world is so fucking frustrating right now
an explenation is probably inherited probability, over 90% of women go on to reproduce in some way, men on the other hand, have a WAY lower %. So take that as an evolutionary trait over time, and it's obvious that women would feel entiteled to a relationship, the mojour difference atm, is that hypersexuality in society had a stone dropped in the pond with contraception with the pill and condoms (modern condoms), wich led to the "sexual revolution", we are still not adjusted as a species in a stable society after that rock made waves. And frankly, it doesent seem like the pond will calm down at all, except for a full collapse of the status quo, be it societal collapse, or something else. Only thing that's for sure, it's gonna be a rought time ahead, western society has close to mirrored the collapse of the roman empire 1 to 1, except worse^^. And has to manny close assimalie with other societal collapse events as well
Is it entitlement, or earnings? Is the guy who worked hard, is superchad billionaire, expected to accept the 45 year old 350lb chick that demands and feels entitled to him? Why would I put in supermodel levels of effort to bang trailer park girls? Honestly? Earned status is not entitlement, it's the exact opposite. It's like saying Usain Bolt is entitled to the world sprint record, no, he earned that.
Yes. It matters. I hoped I saved someone 16+ minutes. If she’s not a virgin, she will most likely leave you one day, statistically. Not that a virgin won’t leave you, but the statistics tend to suggest that the more partners a woman have, the more likely she is to chase even more, to try and find the one that has the best of everything.
Life taught me that anything over 5 is a red flag, at that point you're opening yourself up to a world of unknowns, that could bite you in the ass some day. As a general rule of safety(for both your mental and physical well being), never more than 5 bodies on a woman.
@SniperRifleSc0pe You know what? I used to think double digits was where I drew the line. But I should respect myself more. I think I’m more agreeing with you that even 5 is too much.
Yeah, when I started dating my gf she told me she's been with 3 guys before and that set me off a bit especially because we were only 18 at the time. Assuming she's never cheated which I doubt she has, she's on the edge of acceptable in my opinion. I'd say starting at 15 (i don't think 15 year olds should be doing it, but it happens and unless cultural changes happen, this is just reality) every 5 to 7 years is more reasonably acceptable for a new count. Though 10 to 12 years is the more recommended amount.
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer I mean, I'd partially be surprised if she had that many prior. She doesn't exactly seem to be that type nor exactly look it. THEN again, men's standards are a lot lower than women's.
@@slydoorkeeper4783 At 18 3 bc is unacceptable to me. In fact anything more than 2 is unacceptable in my standards. I aim for a virgin and chaste woman preferably but I can deal with 1-2 bc if she can overcompensate with other traits.
Dating is full of double standards between the sexes. Nothing wrong with it though. Equality probably isn't the best lens to view dating by. Men and women tend to value some key things differently. Most women tend to value a man's income while men don't value a women's. They generally want a man with higher income than them. That's a double standard, yet most people accept it. You'll not hear these people who complain about double standards try to pick apart that. Same concept with a man's height. Most men aren't too bothered by a woman's height, but it's a big deal to a lot of women. These people just can't accept that a lot of men value women's chastity (while most women don't value a man's, it's mostly up for ridicule) because they want to sleep around, yet don't want to be judged as low value.
I dunno, I think there are definitely issues with the double standards. I tend to live the type of life I'd want from a prospective partner: I don't sleep around, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I'm not crude or crass or prone to violence. To quote John Wayne, “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.” I don't think any of that's unreasonable, but I've known a *lot* of physically and emotionally abusive women who seem to think it's a bridge too far.
The term alone is concerning to me - body count is how many people you've killed, not slept with; the way it's framed just bothers me. The attitude to intimacy also matters to me, like if a woman has trauma she hasn't properly dealt with and is getting into bad relationships because of it that don't last, but then sorts herself and has a healthier approach to dating, that's completely different in my eyes to a woman who has never actually been in a relationship just 'had fun' then wants to settle down - one made mistakes and feels regret or shame towards past behaviour, while the other doesn't and refuses to accept the consequences of irresponsibility. Just as there's a big difference in my eyes between a single mother with multiple kids to different guys, and a single mother who lost her husband such as an accident or he was military or whatever.
I am also disgusted by how the red pill and whatever community started this discussion refers to people as "bodies." I had the same criticism of BLM for referring to the young men (and rarely women) killed by police (rightfully or wrongfully) as "black and brown bodies" and not as men, boys, or people. It's disturbing how people who claim "colored people" is more dehumanizing that "people of color" will remove all humanity from the dead and their sexual partners.
Yep additionally people can change, like someone who has repented and abandoned such sinful life be it due to bad decisions trauma but either way felt sorrow and repented, to them i would say you should give a second chance. But the guy or gal who takes pride in these sins, you should avoid. With God anything is possible and through him we can change to become better people. But those who are unrepentant you should avoid
@@nicolemichele-darkwoodland2136 i often point to Mary Magdalene in such matters, she is said to be a whore, but when she met Christ she wept and repented and went on to become one of the Saints.
It's also a terrible argument. It simply repeats its own assertions back to itself as justification for the assertion. Also if you don't think of your role as a man as stick dick in women & dispose of then after because they let you have sex with them so they are now low value females you'll do better. You can't complain about male virginity if you think a woman is not supposed to be having sex.
I agree with everything but the conclusion. This idea that man and woman having sex is the same isn't true. For example, the classic "when a guy sleeps around he's praised but when a woman sleeps around...". That has to do with the idea that for guys it's much harder to get a lot of partners but for women it's easier. So, much like anything else in life, such as being fat or being in shape you'll get praised for having discipline and self control and shamed for the lacking self control
I think it's more likely that this is the decade thottery cancels us - we're facing a demographic collapse the likes of which hasn't been seen since... the Great War, essentially.
Sargon is in the middle of every controversy worth covering because he's a decent orator and I suspect something of an expert at trolling people suffering from terminal social media.
I mean, he's a decent orator who uses that as a mask to hide just how astonishingly stupid some of things falling out of his mouth are. He is firmly convinced, for instance, that the whole trail of woe that is British history for the last century is America's fault and not the British fucking up every single thing they touch.
@@AJadedLizard I don't know where you get that take from. He goes on constantly about how so many of Britain's current troubles are because British people keep screwing things up. There's plenty of blame apportioned to America, but no more than *every other country on Earth* tries to assign to the bogeyman that the USA has become. Are you really going to say that he is wrong to blame the US for Britain having a BLM movement, like that's something they have done to themselves? If you think he gives America too much credit for Britain's problems, you should see what comes out of the mouths of anyone south of Texas...
I’m religious if a girl told me that she was very promiscuous but gave herself to God I would have to reject her it’s the idea of all those guys using her disgusts me. I can forgive her and treat her with kindness and compassion but dating is off the table imo
As a child reading Orson Scott Card, I remember how unrealistic it seemed that Lock and Demostthenese could manipulate public opinion based on the skill of their writing. In an era of news networks where public opinion was determined by the news cycle it seemed far fetched that an opinion writer could garner that level of attention and actually shape public discourses. It seems that Sargon has risen to that level in our current world.
As someone who also read Ender's Game... that's an interesting point. Though I find it funny ID enforced forums never/haven't yet taken off. Well, at least in the States anyway, though Twitter is trying.
Growing up in the 80s/90s, feminists shamed men for high body counts, for treating women as "just another notch in the belt," but I guess the opposite is OK, right?
Yes “rules for thee but for me”
And it doesn't have nearly the emotional toll on men like it does with women. The difference in men who have had a high number of partners vs only one or a few is negligible. The difference in women is staggering. From the numbers I've seen, 10 seems to be the "magic number" for women, anything higher than that leads women to be far more likely to have depression and other mental health concerns.
@@markzuckergecko621
_"And it doesn't have nearly the emotional toll on men like it does with women"_
No, that's a "you" thing not a "men" thing. There are many men to whom their wife is the only woman in the world and who would be devastated to sleep with somebody else.
_"The difference in men who have had a high number of partners vs only one or a few is negligible."_
Nope, they're exactly the same. You are just as much a THOT as the women you shame... well you would be if you were attractive and or ever felt the touch of another human.
Feminism was never about equality, they just wanted revenge, that’s why they always fight for the things they claimed were bad when men were doing it. If they wanted equality their goal would be to make sure everyone is no longer doing those degenerate behaviors, instead of making sure those behaviors are now done by 95% of women instead of 25% of men like it was before. Rather than make men stop the behaviors they supposedly were so against, they just wanted women to do them. All about jealousy, revenge, and hypocrisy.
Feminists want to be the men they've always hated
You should always avoid anyone that feels proud of their high body count.
Anyone who believes fucking as many people as possible and not getting married puts me off
I'd say the same of men as well as women. Once a friend of mine called himself a "44 magnum" because he had slept with 44 women. When one of them told him she was pregnant, he responded, "don't worry. I'll pay for your abortion. Whatever you want to do is fine with me."
If you're promiscuous now, why should I believe you're going to change because you're married? Because of a promise society will _never_ make you keep?
Lol.
@@FreakazoidRobotswhat happened after that?
@@FreakazoidRobots I mean personally I would not do it even if I could but I don't have the genetics for it either but for men it is kind of a test of prowess and for women it is a test of delayed gratification
If a man's choices that prevented him from getting a 6 figure job will be judged, why can't a woman's choice to be promiscuous not also be judged?
In the end, it's all rules for me and not for thee.
Rules for thee and not for me*
I don't know many, if any, men who willfully didn't get a 6 figure job though. I don't know if it's a locational cultural thing but where I live every guy is trying to get as high up as they can, it's just not all men (or women) are equal and have equal oppertunities either.
@@DutchThriceman that's not the argument at all, it's that the choices you make determine whether or not you're going to have a high paying job. Anyone would make 6 figures if they could, most people can't because of decisions they made in the past.
@@DutchThriceman it's the case of our choices determining our value.
A high value woman is recognized by the choices she makes just as much as a man is.
So if women don't want men who make poor choices, why should men want women who've also made poor choices?
It's the double standard that's torn about the two sexes and keeping them apart.
Because YOU CAN'T JUDGE WOMEN THATS SEXIST ONLY MEN CAN BE JUDGED!
I can think of two reasons why a body count is a red flag for ANYONE
1. Disease: more partners, more likely to have STDs
2. Loyalty: more partners, more likely to cheat you, ghost you, or be a toxic person (thus the previous partners leaving them)
3. I don't even like sharing waterbottles with someone
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton Most people wouldn't tolerate sharing their food or drink, yet they're fine with sharing their wives.
@@KyriosHeptagrammatongood point
@@chico9805talk about hot dogging it
I'd say it goes deeper than that. Just imagine the moral decision making, time spent, and ability to use other people it takes to get those high body counts. You've got to be throwing more red flags than just sexual ones for a while to get there
When my dad gave me "The Talk" as a kid, a large part of it was him explaining that sex was like a drug, and it could make you so attached to someone that you'd ignore everything that made you non compatible and there's a risk of the relationship continuing until both people got really hurt, or two compatible people would ignore small problems until they became massive problems, again hurting both people. I believe this is called pair bonding.
I haven't really experienced love. I saw a few of my friends in school get devastated by bad relationships, and I resolved myself to not go near women during school. There were a couple of nerd girls I thought I liked, but looking back on it I'm pretty sure I just wanted to be their friend because we shared hobbies. After I got out of school I focused on my electrician career and getting financially stable, and I managed to get a mortgage at 22 because of it. I'm 23 now and dating seems like a black box. I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. God always provides, if you have the base intelligence to recognize the paths he's opening for you.
Much hope for you brother.
Us trade skill guys got solid experience and hard work ethic to fall back on.
If women can't see that as future family security, they ain't the one.
Stay the course, build your profile, enjoy life as well, and you'll do fine young buck.
I believe in ya.
My dad's talk was son, never get married son, and never have kids, son, it ruins your life, son.
Extra reference to not having kids and to me as his kid added for emphasis, lol.
Do you think you're asexual? Or do you have some life values to decide to push a relationship back in priority? Just asking for curiosity.
@@morphsuitmeele1171 I like women as much as any normal person, but I never thought I was smart enough to recognize evil women that would ruin my life. That's the main reason I haven't been desperately searching for women. Desperation can make mistakes seem like a good idea. The moment I become desperate, I'm screwed. I'm not lonely, I have irl friends I hang out with at least once or twice a week, and I spend plenty of time with my family and extended family too.
Pair bonding is the norm. It’s not about romance and never was
It matters if you're looking for someone to settle down with, a high body count shows a refusal or inability to commit.
Maybe idk biology/psychology like that but it definitely matters to me.
I don't necessarily think it's that. I think it's more that it warps their expectations.
Like, you need to be tall like Tyrone, rich like Chad, and funny like Steve
Depends on the number tho sometimes you ain't down for something serious it doesn't fit with the career plan but then you still need to hit now and again so you must pick up these in some one and dones. 53 that is WAY too high like holy crap that is a red flag
@@sandyjourneys
Biology has nothing to do with it; this is just bad anatomy education at work.
That's way oversimplifying. Something like asking about the longer relationships someone has had would be more reasonable.
Committing and having sex are not the same thing so you can't just use them as correlating things to figure out the other from a number like that.
I guess people REALLY don't trust others so instead of talking like human beings they follow some "hint flowchart" to "know" what kind of person they are dealing with.
Not a surprise when you look at the dumb thinking about red flags that you encounter nowadays.
If you've had multiple partners, you've had multiple failed relationships. There's many reasons why body count is a red flag, but that's just the most obvious.
Don't forget that many sexual acts are not considered "being with a partner". So while you already have to triple whatever number she gives, you can be damn sure there's even more sexual acts/favours luring in the background.
Eh I don't know... I don't think a one time tinder or bar hookup can be considered a relationship. Otherwise it sounds like a socialist idea of you having a relationship with the guy you buy groceries from.
@@TheHalogen131 You’re referring to Marxist idea of “relation of production” which is actually relevant to this context since hook-up are just a form of prostitution for free meals and gifts.
@@TheHalogen131 indeed, one time hookups are worse.
at least a failed relationship had an attempt made, hookups are admitting you just want to coom.
The higher the body count also means the higher you were at risk of STDs. No one wants to catch something like that, so it's also a health risk.
Edit: It also means they may have had a child at some point with one of those people, which means baby momma/baby daddy drama.
If a man rejects a woman with a high body count, calling him an incel is an attack on his low body count only. Because he's not involuntarily celibate, he rejected her by choice.
Yeah, I've seen guys on the topic of incels mention how their girlfriends/wives call them incels if they say certain things. It's so stupid how people use words to insult without thinking about what the word means.
@@robinthrush9672 I always wonder why those guys don't just rebut with the obvious.
You've never hurt a woman so badly as to outright state she's terrible at sex.
@@stevenschnepp576 I think I've seen ONE guy rebut with the obvious. You're right that it's so rare that they'll bring that up.
Rather the temporary choice of being celibate than being a cuckold. Men don't compete in body counts, when it comes to finding a mate, if you found a trustworthy soulmate for life after only a few tries, then other men will envy you.
@@1985rbaek speaking of envy; I think that's the real reason women insult the low body count of the voluntarily celibate. And anger at being rejected by them too.
When I first heard the phrase ‘bodycount’, I thought it was referring to kill counts in video games. Oh, how I wish I could go back to those days.
Same man. When people ask for my body count, I always unsuspectingly troll them by saying 20 million. Then when they have their doubts, I explain that I thought they intended to know how many people I killed.
"Past choices don't define me!"
$1.77 trillion in US student debt currently. Females own 66% of that. Strange how degrees and complaining don't change reality.
66% you say? Amazing stat. So much for equality.
Women make up roughly 58% of college students at the moment, and have outnumbered men in schools for the past 20 years. It makes perfect sense that they would have the most college debt. This would be like getting upset if 13% of the population committed 15% of violent crime - it basically matches.
And only fans lol
Please tell me this is true because it would be so fucking funny
@@lmgesus it’s very very likely, pure logic says that women don’t take degrees for money. They do nursing instead of accounting. Men do degrees for money. And they reap the benefits. One benefit is a job that pays off your student loan. Unlike Starbucks.
Yes. One or two previous boyfriends? Sure, but when it's called a BODYCOUNT then you should be concerned.
😂 going "I've dated 6 partners" and "my body count is *insert number here" it's like "uhhhhhh how many of those overlap? What were you up to? "
It shows your potential self value as well.
Something like that can only come out of a hookup culture where the most intimate moment two people can share is reduced to a dehumanized transaction for a dopamine rush.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Same thing when someone's exes are all assholes. 1 asshole ex? Sure. All of them are assholes? Sounds like a you problem.
@@troyhailey the only woman you know is your mother
@@troyhailey Have you ever heard of this thing called "domestic violence"? I guess not...
Still holding the "Don't be a whore, man or woman" ground
You'd think that'd be an easy position but all the justification for being a man whore in this comments section is really disheartening
@@blackosprey2219 You and I must be reading different comment sections.
@@blackosprey2219they treat man like a beast, if you take the views we are made by God and meant for higher things, then that serves to reinforce "dont be hoe man or woman"
My position is more like "Whores with the whores and non-whores with the non-whores but whores can stop whoring around"
Fully agree
If you want anything long term, yes. Being incredibly promiscuous is not attractive.
If you had your fun with fifty guys before, and now decide to settle down, don't expect men to just oblige you. I'd want to have that lifetime fun with my spouse, not be her caretaker after she had all of said fun with half the town.
So true. Caretaker, credit card, foot rest, body guard, enabler and bank.
There's always fun to be had. Having had sex with 50 guys doesn't mean she's now somehow "spent" or "blown out", in the same way being a dude with 50 chicks under your belt doesn't substract from your value.
I do get it, though. I would prefer a partner with a body count similar to mine, but at the same time I couldn't refuse a woman that I like in every respect and has the same goals as me just because she fucked a lot more than me
Yeah they always let themselves go when they get older and their sex drives turn into that of a nun.
Why did virginity become a bad thing? Being a Virgin means you don’t have an std and it also means you respect your self to not just whore yourself out. This goes for both men and women.
Because sex became casual
Because people dont have a God anymore. Their god is in their pants.
Other than religious people idk who cares about virginity in 2023
@@mongoose6685 that’s exactly the problem. No one cares, who care if you get an std or murder a child because it’s inconvenient for you? Just go and be a whore because that’s somehow empowering these days. It’s disgusting
Why was a woman's virginity put on a pedestal?
High body counts carry several implications that Dev misses entirely. Habits are hard for people to break and most people with long-term habits simply never change them. If someone sleeps with hundreds of partners, it's because they have an attitude toward sexual relationships as being disposable and based on short-term impulses and pleasure rather than being a foundational aspect of a life partnership. That is almost always a near impossible habit to break, almost no one breaks it, and it's a death sentence for any serious relationship as once the newness of the relationship wears off, the person gets bored and finds themself facing an irresistible urge to move on to a new partner.... no matter what their intentions are going into the relationship. THAT is why high body counts are bad.... and because of the obvious "whose baby is dis" thing, it's ESPECIALLY bad for women. Men have EVOLVED to avoid promiscuous women because it doesn't work out for them in the long run and they end up just as much of a genetic dead end as a lifelong virgin since they end up spending all their resources and time raising Tyrone's baby.
Yup, very true. And this is just the tip of the iceberg - the psychological ramifications and implications associated with promiscuity are significant and numerous. For example, the promiscuity is often a product of parental issues (for women, it's usually father issues); such issues represent festering wounds that will repeatedly surface and cause emotional problems. Similarly, parenthood is all about setting examples and serving as a template for children; if the example you set is that you have no self-control and pursue carnal gratification at every opportunity... this does not result in well-adjusted, healthy, happy children.
The objective reasons for not being promiscuous, and not normalizing promiscuous behaviour, far outweigh the subjective emotional and moral issues. As a whole, society is rendered less stable and functional when everyone is treating sex as a casual pursuit and other humans as interchangeable sources of physical pleasure.
High body count indicates an inability to pair bond. It's absolutely a red flag.
Or that someone is hyper sexual and would need to have a partner that is as well. How often have you heard both men and women complain about being in a sexless marriage? Some of us like to have a lot of sex, and obviously it won’t work if we date someone that doesn’t. It’s easier to sleep around in order to fulfill that desire instead of just being disappointed in a relationship.
@@chrislail3824sexless marriages are 99% caused by women if we discount for medical issues in their partners. There is not a single man on this planet that is healthy and doesn't want to have sex....
@@chrislail3824 I wouldn't say being hyper sexual is a red flag in the same way a high body count is. You can be hyper sexual but still try to stick to long-term relationships, rather than sleeping around. If two hyper sexual people get into a relationship it doesn't have the same risk of two people with high body counts who might be more likely to cheat because they've gotten accustomed to banging a different person every week.
I've never met a person, man or woman, with a high body count that didn't get there without playing games. Time is the most valuable commodity you have. You can reduce the entire body count debate to simply not wanting to waste time on people who have proven their willingness to waste the time of others.
Yeah, one of my buddies is like this (up until he met his current girlfriend he legitimately had a dry erase board of his weekly chores, which included "get laid" and it was not with the same girl most weeks). He's genuinely one of my best friends but I've always found that unappealing about him, to the point I've made it clear I just don't want to hear about it.
@@mongoose6685 gf during college ='s high body count?
This is one of the most brilliant ways to look at this subject I have ever seen. ❤
@@AlyssaIrvine Thank you very much! I have my rare moments of insight.
I am 23 and religious. I am a virgin and my girlfriend is a virgin, and so far we're doing alright.
Rooting for you friend ✊
You and her are keeping your ability to be faithful/pair bond intact, good.
Best of luck, hope it works out for ya.
Virgin brides have a 16% divorce rate, body count of one is around 40%. Just playing the odds virgins are the only way to go.
Good luck my dude
In my time, you could get a free pass up to 21 as a guy and still be a virgin while not looking "bad" in the eyes of women so long as you were attractive and either in school, military, or working towards a career. Older than that and you were looked down upon no matter how good looking or successful you were. Even at 21 it was borderline. I remember being 21, in the Air Force, finding a girl where I was stationed, hitting it off, and meeting her parents after a month. Know what her Mom conversation with with me was when she stepped away? "Have you slept with my daughter yet?" "No Maam." "Well do you have any STD's then?" "No Maam." "Did you get recently tested?" "No Maam. I am still a virgin." "What is wrong with you?" "What do you mean Maam?" "How are you a good looking guy at your age that is still a virgin?" She literally said that with a disgusted look on her face. Needless to say, the relationship didn't last long after that. I wanted my first to be with someone special that I intended to be with. Even during that time it was viewed strangely by most people to be that way. So I had a 1 nighter shortly after just to have that under my belt. I still was never the type of guy to want to have a high body count. I even remained celibate by choice for many years because truth be told I was disgusted by modern western women. I have been happily married for over 10 years now with 3 kids once I found a non-American citizen for a wife. She is also over 10 years younger than me. No way I was going to look at women in their 30's when I was the same age and had to consider their baggage. I tried but it was a crap show every time.
yeah man, you can smack those foreign wives around too and you get no lip off them.
Sounds like an absolute win dude. Congrats on that. The Monkey would be proud.
congrats, I hope i get a happy ending as you.
Im the same way. Ive turned down multiple opportunities for sex due to my faith/moral convictions on the subject. Whenever im asked the question i just lie about it to avoid the awkward conversation that always follows. People just cant fathom that a guy can think with anything other than his dick.
This is a pretty big issue for guys nowadays. The things men look for in a relationship can generally only be evaluated through experience. If a woman wants a guy that's rich or tall or good-looking, specific degree or a whole host of other things that they put very high on their list then they simply use their eyes to find these things.
But for a guy, if he wanted a girl that was a virgin or one that he knows would treat him well or what kind of relationship partner she is, these things can generally only be evaluated by actually getting into a relationship with the girl. Everyone likes to say that men shouldn't have high bodycounts but there's very few other methods for men to evaluate women as relationship partners except through experience apart from waiting for years and years being entirely celibate and just hoping you'll come across a girl that is all of these things at pure face value which is exceedingly rare
If it’s okay to view men with high body counts as frivolous fratboys who don’t want to settle down (which we do, let’s be real) it’s equally acceptable to assume the same of women.
The only reason why i would judge them differently is because i dont date men, amd couldn't care less about their past lol.
But in general, high BC is sus, for both
@@marmite_popsicle
Even if you aren’t dating men with high body counts, you still make judgements on their personality and character based on it. I personally find it harder to be friends with guys who sleep with new women every couple of weeks.
@@ImortalZeus13
Yeah but that’s not because of the guys high body count, but all the other character traits that come with that kind of personality type.
@ImortalZeus13 most people who are not sngle feels this towards those guys (and girls). It makes it harder to make a cohesive group while your just trying to chill with your friends/family.
It'd not the worst thing, but that feeling is still there
women tend to be attracted to men who are attractive to other women - that is one major difference.
Tinder statistics show that women are interested in the very top of men only - this is an another major difference between men and women.
Men and women are a completely different animals, stop thinking that we are equals, we are not. There is clear evidence on this, and ppl keep having amnesia about it.
I hate how sexual preferences (specifically that of male preferences) have become sexist
"Sexy isn't sexist."
They want us to be gay
@@priapulidaexactly
Those preferences have directly led to OnlyFans.
(unless you meant partner preferences)
@@Shockguey I meant dating preferences which are often Romantic and sexual. Does that help?
Oh, gawd, he went and made a video about it. XD
The logical reason to value chastity is to avoid someone who has exposed themselves to potential disease and someone who has damaged their ability to pair bond - the former being common sense, the latter being scientifically proven. The rational reason is because someone who is chaste is less likely to get bored and dump you the second their sexual ADHD overcomes their loyalty.
people who harp on about "pair bonding" only look at the sexual side, and forget that it also applies to friendships, children and family.
Do you only care about one parent? Do you think people should only have one child? Do you only have one friend?
@@GameFuMasterI would think forming an intimate sexual relationship is vastly different than a friend relationship. Letting a vastly stronger physical person close intimate contact with your body in a very vulnerable position bond's you emotionally in a way that nothing else can.
Not exactly the same but children form a very close bond with their parents because inherently children know how vulnerable they are. Just see any child left alone in a store and you can clearly see how quickly their panic steps in.
@@GameFuMaster you dont bang your parents child or friend...well maybe that last one but you probably shouldnt.
@@GameFuMasterwell when the topic being discussed is sexual relationships, you can see why people might "harp" on that side of it.
A similar case can be done for pornography, the longer is the viewer exposure to it, the harder (lol) it will get for that individual to develop a healthy relationship and intimate bond with their partner.
Being young and screwing around is no excuse for your decisions as an adult.
It says something about your character, priorities and values.
I didnt screw around when I was younger, and I'll never be interested in a woman that doesnt share the same values.
@@thegiga-bigot3000 I take it those WoW years aren't haunting now? Some people travel the world for a year, you took a year to focus on a hobby.
I'm not saying you should commit to build up your future 100% of the time or that persuing a hobby is bad.
Just dont do anything you know you'll regret down the road
@@thegiga-bigot3000 you've got a good point.
I might have composed my post to harshly
Fair enough, that is your choice
@@thegiga-bigot3000good god man have some self respect
@@TheAquarius87 I think your original post was perfectly on point when talking about the kind of people (of both sexes) that spend their years being promiscuous and demand that society ignore that aspect of themselves or even treat it as a good thing. If someone truly wants to change their ways, shows it with their actions, and you're into them I think they deserve a chance, but otherwise keep those moral values strong. It is a good thing to have standards, for both men and women.
"Incels" it's just a man that disagrees with a woman. Like "Troll" it's just someone that disagreed with someone. They have lost all meaning.
Yeah, there was one video where a guys GF (I think, maybe) did something shity to him because she thought some other guy did it, was called out in the commments and all the responses in ber defence mentioned incel non-stop.
They don't even know the meaning of the word incel and throw it around just like their bodies to everyone.
@@D402S
I think they know it means someone that can't get laid. The point is they just throw that at anyway.
@@kylemendoza8860Yeah but just because someone isn't laid or is a virgin, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is hungry for sex or is trying to get sex and is bitter to women because of that. What if he is staying a virgin for his future wife? and wants his first time to be with his future wife? The word incel is used against the wrong people. It's like using femcel as an insult if I ever fall in an argument against a woman.
@@D402S
Incel means involuntary. He is staying a virgin for religious reasons. Are you simply just not interested. Then he is not an incel by definition.
As a guy trying to get back into the dating scene, I almost feel like I'm pointing out the obvious here, but the simple fact is when most people see "I've slept with [x] people" what they read is "I've had [x] failed relationships". Which then makes people think, "Why so many?" "Is it really always them or maybe the problem is you?" "What will make me the exception?" etc etc. It's really that simple
Yep. That's also been how I've seen people translate body count numbers. Especially if you give a rather high number and you're young too. You'll definitely be looked at with disgust.
I usually sleep with someone before I even consider having a relationship with them lol.
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer That's fair, Sexual compatibility is important too
Listen, a women that has a high body count has proven that she has a habit of moving on to the next fun thing. People don’t change easily so why would anyone risk trying to settle down when the divorce courts are brutal towards men?
1. Nobody can infringe upon your standards. If you don't want to be with high body count people, so be it
2. People do change with age. Being a slut in your early 20's doesn't mean still being one in your late 20's or early 30's
3. There are chaste people of all ages. I think most women are still very selective with their romantic and sexual partners
4. Divorce courts being brutal towards men is a bit of an exaggeration. It's true that women win custody of children more often, but it is also true that a lot of men don't even pursue custody. Also if you settle with a partner of similar income, you can't really lose much in the divorce, and if your ex-tradwife that has no work experience takes half of your stuff, that seems fair enough. She was kinda working for you this entire time.
Yuup
@@andreisandulescu9042you seem a bit simpish
@@Rebrn-bk5em How so?
@@andreisandulescu9042 >a bit of an exaggeration
>leaves alimony totally out of the argument
>the double-whammy of losing your children and all of your money along with your wife totally ignored
>can even lose your own fucking house in the process
>reduces the man to an empty husk of his former self and awards his kids with a worse future he's still supposed to account for without everything he's earned
Yeah a lot of things do seem minor when you reduce them to the point of being something else
I judge men with a "high body count" just as much as I do women.
Fair.
As it should be
I don't judge them. I don't care. I simply refuse to date them.
This is a perfect example of lacking decernment by willfully ignoring reality for a concept, in this case equality, which is not a virtue.
@@LordAini Get down of your high horse. That is a form of judgement. Totally justified and undestandable, but a judgement none the less.
Most dudes just find it gross. It’s no different from being fat, short, poor, whatever, it’s just something that makes you unattractive to a potential partner. What’s interesting about the body count is that it only really makes you unattractive as a long term partner, so women might think “men don’t care I get plenty of guys” and they won’t realize what’s happening until they try to settle down
Its like the frog boiling in the pot analogy. The worst part is that even if you lie to your spouse about it(something you should never do) you have conditioned yourself to a lifestyle that is based on short term pleasure instead of long term development meaning that most relationships you have will have a high chance of failure.
Exactly this.
They find it gross yet they still sleep with girls with a high bd. No one ever rejected me when i revealed the number
@@wafflecone6968 that but i think also a bit less dramatic.
Body count is just one of many variables we judge women on. Looks, personality, friend circle, famile, ect.
Its not impossible do date someone with a high BC but it certainly won't help her in her prospects.
Its not like us men are a catch in everything we do. We are at the end of a day a conglomeration of our pros and cons
"Most guys in their 20s with around 5 partners..."
Making a lot of assumptions here.
It's very simple to me: a relationship is about 2 people who put each other first. People who go like "I first want to have fun, only then will I find someone to settle with" by definition don't put you first. That's a recipe for disaster.
If you value marriage as an institution worth sacrificing your life for then you would spend your time before getting married preparing for marriage. It isn't a parachute you can deploy after you burn out.
@@EmperorSigismund There's a huge difference between spending time before fully committing to someone, and only wanting to commit to someone after she was all used up and couldn't get Chads to hang out with her anymore.
People getting mad at people for not saying people who look like Jabba the Hut are attractive is a sign that beauty standards have fallen.
Only for women, male beauty standards are ever rising.
I mean, Jabba the Hut had, at LEAST, the slimy bastard look - the wealthy mafia crime lord ascetic - one doesn’t become a crime lord without being smart and holding onto a portion of Tatooine for lord knows how long as a literal man sized slug. He might be ugly - but he is intelligent and ruthless.
This gives a begrudging respect.
On the other? These people likely have nothing but grotesqueness and nothing special to give a title of being *Despite* - of despite being a fat slug Jabba the Hutt was a still a cunning warlord on Tatooine . . . These people don’t have a despite.
If someone makes an attempt to not be the Hutt, with a good personality to match, then I don’t mind said person.
@@tronche2cakeexactly
Nahh... beauty standards did not, they are saying that to make fat people feel better and themselves. Kinda like crabs pulling eachother down
I wouldn't say that the standards have fallen. It's that men are attacked and ostracized for having those standards. Feminism rules by fear, and they have had the legal system and society metaphorically bludgeon men over the head with blunt objects sufficiently to make them stop talking about it in the mainstream.
The damage of promiscuity to pair bonding cannot be ignored. For both sex.
That is true, but it's like when a semitruck collides with one of those tiny 2-person Cart cars: both are damaged, but not to the same degree.
There isn't much of one for men to the point that 1 previous sexual partner and 20 have no statistical significance.
@@thomgizziz Men have pair bonding. And it gets damaged the higher the number of women he sleeps with. Men (and women) who have a high number of sexual partners and are or even were promiscuous in life have higher divorce rates, higher rates of cheating, more sex addictions...it is true that high body count is bad for both male and female.
Nature had intended us to live in small numbered groups and hook up with the other at a young adult age with people we knew our whole life from the community for lifelong partnership. Most humand for tens of thousands of years, men and women, only ever had sex with one person, their spouses. And the pair bonding, trust and friendship is strong.
@@thomgizziz It's a matter of principle, lead by example.
Wrong body count only applies to women cause men can pair bond no matter how many bitches he's banged a woman simply can't
I don't think that feminists have considered the ramifications of "dismantling the Patriarchy". I think that their conceptualization of what the Patriarchy is is extremely flawed.
There is no patriarchy here. Enough men here in the West willingly gave up some of their power years ago so that women have basically completely equal rights.
Their conceptualization of what the Patriarchy is is purposely extremely flawed so it can be molded to mean whatever they need it to mean at the moment.
"we successfully took down the SyStEm!"
"Wait.. now what?"
" :o "
Please, men, don't let women take over. If it was all women, there would be a swift effort to bring back the asylums (to deal with all the damage from mental warfare, and to hide all the social outcast women who aren't "in the club.") The actual crazy ones would run the asylum, inside and outside the walls.
One of the greatest curiosities I've had with both feminists and MRAs is that they don't seem to understand that "patriarchy" and "gynocentrism" are not mutually exclusive.
I just hate how open and obsessed with sex our society is, I get that everyone is different but even as a women I find excessive sex trashy, both for women and men. What you do in private is none of my business but can we not glorify it? There's more to life than sex.
On an extra note note how insulting men for their small genitalia/low libido/lack of sex/insecurity is acceptable but as soon as you make fun of a fat woman you're dead. With this hypocrisy it's no wonder that dudes are becoming genuinely scared of women.
Scared is not the world I would use in this matter
The double whammy is how obsessed we are with sex but how much we hate children. Go figure.
Wow, a woman with sense, how rare. I agree it's indeed trashy, the degree to which people excessively have sex these days. I can't watch a movie or TV show anymore without a sex scene, which I have never in my whole life understood why these are in our media. These scenes are rarely ever even relevant to the story.
I think men are becoming scared of women more because of their ability to accuse us of rape and have a high chance of succeeding at ruining our lives with no evidence whatsoever. It's not worth the risk.
But your past choices DO define you.
"The progressive view is to have no past at all?"
SFO, that's ludicrous. The progressive dig up tweets from forever ago to get into a moral panic about homophobia/misogyny/sexism/racism/transphobia/etc.
Yeah, you have a past to progs but they don’t. Because a political position and politics is inherently hypocritical
Their past, not your past.
Your past is fair game, but theirs is off limits.
This is a dynamic being pushed in the liberal circles. They have hang ups about consequences, particularly their own.
A year zero mentality is a feature of many leftist movements. Most terrifyingly Pol Pot in Cambodia
Past history only matters if your the enemy to these people.
I know a woman who told me that she was only with 3 people before, only a month or so later she told me that it was "at least a hundred". She also rigorously cheated on her boyfriend (and did so with her previous boyfriends). I've never met a woman like this who has ever counted the exact number of men because women often forget the men they've slept with. Men on the other hand generally remember every woman they've been with in every detail.
I dont remember every women i have been with but my body count is quit high so i guess the higher the body the less memory we have
@@Trawdestruction it's different when It's that woman you were seeing for 4 years to that woman you probably shagged in Ibiza back in 2001, when you were absolutely smashed.
How do you sleep with a hundred people in a month?? Something ain’t quite right.
Did she do a gangbang every 2 days? Did she lay down and invite a hundred men to run an infinite train on her? Sounds exhausting
Damn, what kind of dating pool do you draw from.
The ghetto?
@@marmite_popsiclethat or the trailer park good lord
It really shows how feminism has failed an entire generation of women that the first thing she points out about herself when saying her body count shouldn't matter is "I have a job." She is so delusional that she doesn't realize that men should and do care about different things than women do. Women find a man with a good job attractive because it means he can provide. But very very few men find "has a job" as an attractive quality in women. The fact that she doesn't understand why body count matters, and then goes right on to bragging about how she has the traits she wants in a man, shows that she doesn't understand that most men aren't looking for masculine qualities in their woman.
One has to be educated to ignore reality to that extent.
Exactly. I want a wife, not a husband.
@@Lonovavircan't train a stupid dog
I disagree. I find having a job to be a very important quality. Or at least actively looking for one. It means a woman is able and willing to take responsibility for herself, isn't a social leech and can have some tangible skills. For me it's all great.
@@TheHalogen131 Unless she’s fucked her way into the job and up the corporate ladder, many such cases. Not to mention all the diversity mandates coming from governments and monopoly corporations.
"I didn't think my action had consequences, and now im mad at clouds"
The irony of calling men 'incels' because they won't accept you for your high body count, as if you are entitled to a man's body by pressuring him into a relationship with you. They don't owe you love, same thing you told the incels.
Men (usually) care about a woman's past and women (usually) care about a man's future
Good decision: Treat every man you are intimate with respect, accept no less in return, and be intimate once your are familiar with each other.
Bad decision: Making your bedroom a revolving door for guys you've maybe had half a conversation with, and letting them record it.
@@troyhailey Cosmic nihilist?
@@troyhailey Those two words don't belong together. You can't be a Christian and a Realist.
@@troyhailey Don't talk about Delusions when you're a Christian.
@@troyhailey ⚠⚠⚠ZOOMER WITH PROTAGONIST SYNDROME DETECTED⚠⚠⚠
@@Fuzzycat16Implying that Christianity is delusional? Sounds like the seething of an atheist to me.
Not only do you run a high risk of someone having STDs if they have a high body count but their brain chemistry is permanently altered to be less responsive towards love. Love is very much like a drug and the more you are exposed towards it with a large number of partners the more tolerance you develop. This is why you will never love someone as deeply as your 1st love and your 3rd will be less than your second and so on. So a woman with a high body count will be almost completely indifferent towards their partner simply going through the motions of addiction.
Makes a lot of sense kinda like they say with porn.. you need to go more extreme cause your chemistry changes.. it makes sense wha t you’re saying.
Personally i still dont get the shaming of virgins.. they’re not the same as incels.. never understood why taht is a con..
i thnk a guy who has had a lot of girlfriends but not body count.. tells me the guy didn’t just give out same for a girl..
I dunno
@@npcimknot958 The shaming of virgins started around the time of the sexual liberation movement, around the 70s. For the same reason why house wives are browbeaten today. It'swomen pulling other women along into their failures.
Add in being adopted and bow that permanently changes your brain from birth to both crave and flee from love and caring, makes sense I'm 40 and alone lol.
How can I trust women when the only woman who was supposed to love me tossed me?
I have a shit ton to add to this conversation on why it matters and how the issue isn't male standards at all.
Women want the men they hate, and hate the men they want.
It's literally just learning performative hatred and cry bullying as a viable social strategy.
Responsibility is a women's kryptonite
Society as a whole exempt women from having standards and expectations.
Modern humans in general avoid responsibility like plague, both sexes.
Don’t worry, it all comes to a head when they inevitably hit *The Wall*
I’d call it *The Wall Maria* but that would be an insult to the Virgin Mary, so no…
Accountability
Every single time I see "body count" anywhere I cannot help myself and turn the gamer brain off before the inavitable question rises "Yeah but what's her K/D ratio?"
Do threesomes count as assists so they have a higher KA/D
That's the better option. I always remember stories from my grandpa who was drafted in freshly liberated Czechoslovakia as WWII ended and because there was an extreme shortage of everything, he was issued a "confiscated" rifle (taken from a corpse of a nazi soldier). Grandpa mentioned it had 7 very clear cuts on the side. That's what I think about when I hear "body count".
Even a kissless virgin would backpedal a bit when faced with a two digit body count potential partner. Not because of disgust but because, why would they spend time nurturing a relationship with this person when it can abrutly end on whim like the previous relationships this person had. It is a clear risk versus reward kind of situation and folding the game while still ahead.
In the end I want to be special. I don't want to be the latest on a line. I want the consideration of being valuable
@@afuzzycreature8387exactly, considering that they're likely to complain about being objectified by menthey sure do love objectifying themselves, I'd say its rather ironic.
@@afuzzycreature8387that is a very honorable feeling.
It matters regardless of the gender. The higher their body count the higher their chances are of having an STD
I think that correlates more to IQ tbh.
100% yes. Yes the count does matter. The more partners a woman has the more likely your marriage or relationship will fail. And that's just for starters.
Exactly@@tann_man
Reject promiscuity return to monogamy.
Both men and women with high body counts are less valuable as a partner when you're wanting to take life seriously and settle down. 🤷♂️ Sargon is partially right for sure in this case.
@@zogwort1522 nuh uh your gay
I find it hard to believe that the guy asks for body count that crudely
A lot of these kinds of stories I hear from women always sound fake
They can’t help but make the villain in their story cartoonishly evil
Yes and no. Its one of those things that sounds fake until you have a run in with the real deal.
@@onionfarmer3044 Yeah you're not wrong
Guess it depends on the broad. If she’s proud about it or lacks any shame then she’ll eventually tell on herself about all her bfs and guys she’s seen.
Then how's a correct way to ask for body count? I'm 19 and to be honest, while most pf my classmates during school where "dating" i chose to study, however i find myself anxious about the subject, i don't want to have a relationship with someone whose had many men before me, and i don't want to waste my time dating someone until the subject casually comes around. I want to save myself for someone special, and i would wish for a partner that does the same.
I can understand being in your 30's and having zero shits to give when it comes to wasting your time, especially with something as hit or miss as dating.
*_Speaking of men being told to "get a grip"_*
Have you thought about talking of how male abuse tends to get taken less seriously?
I genuinely would want to see that cause i have heard horror stories of guys getting raped and them getting laughed at and turned around. Ive genuinely been curious to see how well that could work as a video
It's true, but as a man it pains me to say that most of the reasons why many people don't take it seriously are because of the social pressures that men create.
@@andresnavarro5978 You don't know many men.
@@andresnavarro5978 It's gallows humor because we know no one cares even at a young age. There's an intuitive nature of hyper-agency given to males and hypo-agency given to females. This is why when two drunk people have sex, the man is responsible even if he blacked out and she was fine (Amy Schumer). The social pressure heavily comes from women and I await the inevitable comment from someone worshiping at the altar of women-worsting denying men's victim-hood "because it's worse for women."
@@stevenschnepp576 Why do you assume that about me? You don't know me. What i said still remains true.
@@andresnavarro5978 It isn't really guys that create that though. I was a poor kid who grew up in the ghetto, suffered familial abuse from my mother and was the regular punching bag for most of the bullies. Most of whom were females controlling their shitbag simp army.
The teachers, who were mostly female, were happy to either ignore me or punish me fir fighting back. And all the females in my life were happy to simply tell me to Man up.
Wanna know who was there by my side when i was down on the ground fighting someone, it was my brother, it was my friends, my homies. All dudes.
Guys aren't really the ones telling men to Man up. It's old fuck dude who haven't taken their balls out of their wife's purse in 50 years and women who do that.
Cause most guys actually know what the pain guys feel is like. Cause they felt it too.
"I need a peer reviewed study that shows why chastity is a reasonable value."
As you get older, it's easier and easier to see through lies. It's very hard to build a strong foundation built on top of lies.
The thing is, the higher someone's body count is, the more likely you are to be "just the next one on the list".
not only that, but one important thing in a long-lasting relationship is basically the "mutual exclusivity". In a way, the relationship between a couple is supposed to be special. But when your S/O has had train after train run over her, what makes your relationship special? At best, it becomes a sex-friend coupled with a roommate. There isn't that notion of mutual exclusivity. There isn't anything special in that relationship. And because there is nothing special in that relationship, there is also nothing of value in it.
And those with a keen eye would notice that I didn't use "women" at all. That's a standard that applies to both.
After all, if you fucked 50 different women, what's so special about the 51st?
You used, "her", though lol
>The thing is, the higher someone's body count is, the more likely you are to be "just the next one on the list".
And that is fine. Maybe you're just looking to hook up, but if you're not, you'll probably figure out their not looking for a long term relationship. Have a bit of fun and let go. Look for women that want what you want. I know that can be tough because I myself am looking for hot goth gamer chicks that also want to settle down and have kids in their late 20's/early 30's and I can't find any, but I shall never stop
>After all, if you fucked 50 different women, what's so special about the 51st?
It's not just about sex, though. Maybe you finally found someone you really like to spend time with and can see yourself settling down with.
I wish the "trauma response" people understood that what they're doing isn't a "get out of X free card", it is instead a "I am incapable of responding to this in the way that a normal, rational person would do. Please accommodate me by treating me as lesser for things relating to this subject. If you treat me as an equal I may freak out."
It's learned helplessness and largely fake. It's primarily social manipulation
I do think there is something to be said about the psychology of a high body count, with it demonstrating inability to commit and/or doing it and frying your ability to emotionally pair-bond.
which all has to do with paternal investment: he wants to know the potential offspring is his, and since human females are concealedly ovulating, female behaviour is the best measure to judge the risk.
It doesn’t demonstrate that as a matter of fact. Sometimes people like sex when they’re single, but settle down once they find someone they do emotionally pair bond with.
What you’re describing is a bit of pseudo psychology
..also:
"Life history theory is a framework that aims to integrate comparative, cross-taxonomic data into a framework comprising life course attributes such as the timing, pace, and forms of reproduction and reproductive effort[3]. Sexual strategies theory is an evolutionary perspective on human mating that suggests that both men and women have pursued short-term and long-term matings under certain conditions where the reproductive benefits have outweighed the costs[4]. The number of sexual partners, or body count, can be associated with life history strategy theory in the following ways:
- High body count can be associated with a fast life history strategy, which is characterized by early reproduction, high reproductive effort, and short lifespan[1].
- Low body count can be associated with a slow life history strategy, which is characterized by delayed reproduction, low reproductive effort, and long lifespan[1].
- Body mass index (BMI) has been found to be a predictor of sexual history among heterosexual men and women, with higher BMI associated with lower number of sexual partners[2].
In summary, the number of sexual partners can be associated with life history strategy theory, with high body count being associated with a fast life history strategy and low body count being associated with a slow life history strategy. BMI has also been found to be a predictor of sexual history among heterosexual men and women.
Citations:
[1] www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-handbook-of-evolutionary-perspectives-on-sexual-psychology/life-history-theory-and-mating-strategies/787949F5F8967F5D7DC3AFBEC8435FBF
[2] journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704915604563
[3] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK97289/
[4] labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2015/09/SexualStrategiesTheory.pdf
[5] www.jstor.org/stable/3813162
[6] repository.arizona.edu/bitstream/handle/10150/195137/azu_etd_11151_sip1_m.pdf?sequence=1
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Not to mention STDs are a thing and neither men or women should be fucking in the scores of people. As well as fucking all the time makes it easy to ignore the flags that your partner and you aren't compatible. So many relationships fail because people get in bed before they actually get to know each other.
I would be able to confirm this from personal experiences but i don't know if there are actual statistics that show a corelation or if it would be possible to definitely confirm it.
No, a woman with a high body count is always a bad thing. It shows pretty extreme issues with decision making, risk evaluation, and developing relation ships. Ignoring these major red flags is a bad ides not just for men, but for anyone hoping to trust her with any kind of responsibility.
It's bad for society as a whole - someone like that, running through countless people in their pursuit of short-lived physical pleasure, is like a stone thrown into still waters; if one person does it, it's likely that those they did it with will do the same. Suddenly you have an entire generation who are incapable of forming normal, healthy relationships... which means you have an entire generation who are not settling down and reproducing in stable, traditional family structures, which means you have a subsequent generation born to broken homes.
Hell, stone in still waters? Unrestrained and widespread promiscuity in a society is more like a shotgun blast.
If you want to have fun, then fine. But you cannot expect other people to feel the same way.
Every time a woman gets a new mark, the Halo MP voice guy chimes in with "RUNNING RIOT."
it’s really the argument of “ why do men only want me for my body ?? “ well because you sleep around a lot and those types come out when they know you’re giving it up . and then years later wonder why they can’t find a good guy . it’s because good guys don’t want someone who is willing to let random strangers fuck . and even if people praised men for the same behaviour which they really don’t , it shouldn’t matter . if someone gets praised for killing someone doesn’t mean you should be out killing people
It's a reflection of her capacity to make good decisions, and her attitude towards intimacy. If you aren't a narcissist, you understand will not be the deciding factor for her behaviour, so how she conducts herself outside a relationship is relevant, because that won't magically change once she's in one.
1 guy is told he needs experience if he wants to keep a woman. Who's gonna give him that experience?
You can love anyone. However, it's best to acknowledge one's past for the mistakes made. A high body count is a reflection of mistakes, male or female, it shows a lack of initiative to find a suitable partner to build a relationship with. There's also the question of pair bonding and chemicals released biologically during coitus, the negative effects that a high body count will have on that.
We all make alot mistakes though, nobody would be with anybody if we only focused on that. You may pay atention on body count but the girl may focus on another things you've done in the past as well.
*Yes.* If you cant or won't be faithful or committed to anything in your youth why would I trust that you will be later in life? Especially if the relationship hits any sort of rough spot.
As a man I want to know that I am not slaving away on someone who will go behind my back or who has a history of not being willing to commit to a relationship. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Not really. When I was 15 I wasn't looking for a wife.
"make of that what you will"
"found the incel"
the jokes write themselves
If you're trying to find someone to settle down with long-term and they tell you they've slept with 30+ other people, why the hell would you assume you're going to be the last? Either they've thus far been incapable of maintaining a relationship or, more likely, they place very little sentimental value on sex, in which case there's no reason why they'll suddenly stop seeking out other sexual encounters just because they've met you. Sure it's a possibility, but why take that risk?
Because there is a difference between sex and love making. There is a difference between a fling and a relationship. Because when entering a relationship with someone, you should value MORE than just their bodycount and learn who they are as a person. Do they comitt in other areas? Are they part of a club, chairty, or team? Do you bond over shared experiences and are you both willing to take an oath to one another? People too stupid to see these distictions deserve each other.
@@jacqueminot7224 Good luck to you brother.
When I was in art school I made a reputation for myself as a bit of a cad. I slept with a lot of girls there. Very soon there was a stigma associated with dating me. It absolutely has consequences for men. Women who think men just have sex like that are deluded.
I (f) was ashamed of being a vigin and immediately rejected any guy who approached me. I compared myself to all the porn girls and how I had no experience, yet I was afraid of men. When I opened up about what happened in my past, I was just told to get over it and stop being a nun. I'm sure my experience isn't as common now a days but it also happens on the otherside of the aisle.
It would be hard to say how common it is, because I bet most people wouldn't bring it up even if it was their experience.
Anyone afraid of commiting to a relationship is normal if you are looking for one that matters. It's not good to let the thought paralyze though. In looking for a loving relationship, find someone who is genuinely kind and has integrity. There are other considerations as well, but love is your ability to commit to and sacrifice wantingly and willingly for another you care for. So a genuine heart and a sense of personal responsibility are the building blocks for that.
Why compare yourself to the porn girls? You already know guys are attracted to you. And believe me, most of them will see your lack of experience as a GOOD THING.
@@ivansmirnov7342This stuff isn’t always rational. I’m sure girls get the same kind of virgin shaming as guys where they don’t want to be seen as bad in bed.
@@Seirra72 its a little different for girls. Guys will shame them not for the lack of experience per se, but for not doing anything at all and just laying there while their partner is doing all the work.
Nobody will shame a girl if she’s at least trying to do her part, even if she lacks experience.
Guys are getting shamed for not even being able to get a partner. Which isn’t a problem for women at all.
“The stuff isn’t rational” - well, we’re talking about emotions here. So ofc. it’s irrational. But there are still underlying reasons for why people feel a certain way. Once you start dissecting it, start figuring out why exactly it happens - it becomes a little easier to manage ones emotions. It gives you a chance in a fight against your fears.
If something is “irrational” it doesn’t mean you can’t understand and/or overcome it. It just means that the true reason, is hidden a little deeper.
chastity is a logical moral marker because it tells you that the person is able to delay gratification.
that ability is considered a moral good in almost every society in some way.
“I had fun” is another way of saying I was reckless and followed lustrous desires instead of doing so in a committed relationship lul
sex is only for procreation,pervert!🤨
There are so many ways of having fun. Going out with friends on trips, reading books, joining a club, etc. How on earth is sex "fun"? Sex is something you do with a person you are extremely close with and have kids with, such as your spouse. There is no difference between a person who goes around sleeping with random people on the street for "fun" and a P-star.
Oh Dev you sweet summer child. You still believe most women in their 30s have a body count less than 10.
One of the problems of promiscuous women who repented is that they are often at the age where they are desperate for having a family. And under such circumstances it is quite doable to stop sleeping around for a few year. But as soon as the marriage get's boring they get into a midlife crisis and cheat. That is why I don't recommend a religious person to marry a woman with a high bodycount who repented.
Yes, in the Bible there is a lot of symbolism how God acts as a loving husband to the promiscuous Israel. And the Bible tells us a man should love a woman like Jesus loves the church and we should forgive 7 times 70. But at the same time the only reason for divorce which got mentioned by name was sexual immorality. Because of that I don't think the Bible promotes for Christians to go into stupid relationships where there is a high risk of cheating down the line.
Also forgiving isn't absence of consequence. All sin has consequence. Sometimes we have the grace to be freed from the consequence of some of our sins. But we can't demand other people to not only forgive us but also ignore all consequences of our actions. That would be an inversion of Christian morals.
I don't know what other religions say on that topic.
I would say that kind of woman has not done enough healing and self reflection during her time repenting. I still think Christian men should give these Christian women a chance, but yes they should not go into a marriage blindly and should really evaluate each other fully before entering into such a union. The former promiscuous women should be humble enough to acknowledge that their past actions have long lasting negative effects on them psychologically that makes them more suspectable to that kind of sin than a virgin. And should always pray for strength against relapsing.
@@feliz2564 I think the position I represented and the position you represented are both valid and not naïve.
In my case I want to have a more strict rule because even if I loosen it a little, it will still be in the tolerable range. Also I think if somebody is in love then they tend to overlook red flags. So I would say better safe than sorry. If you can guarantee an objective view on your potential spouse then go for it.
The more people hook up, the less able they are to actually form a "bond" with someone. Women are affected more by this bonding chemical than men, but it does affect men, too.
Thats correlation not causation. If you bother to read the extensive scientific literature on the topic you will find that both issues are highly correlated but not caused by each other. For practical purposes it makes no difference really but what causes both is usually substance use and inherited genetic traits that are predominantly responsible as well as our shifting culture that makes it not only easyer than ever to be promiscuous but also seems to encourage and glorify it.
2 to 3 boyfriends in the past shows she's capable for long term relationships, 58 BODY COUNT SHOWS SHES FOR THE STREETS
I am academically curious about average body count of professional body counters, and suspect it to be actually quite low due to repeat customers and such.
@@troyhailey No.
@@troyhailey I consider a ltr anything over 2 years. It could be a permanent relationship.
2 to 3 boyfriends in the past also show that she failed in 2 to 3 relationships. That's why no hymen no diamond is the best way forward. Having said that of course it lowers the severity of the promiscuity by a ton. But think it this way: How is it that women and men in the olden days married their first partner and had the longest lasting and most loving relationships?
They didn't have any trial runs or experience yet they made it work.
If the goal is to stay married an avoid divorce at all cost then body count definitely matters. If a woman has 0 sexual partners before marriage then the chance of divorce after 5 years is around 5 percent. After one partner it jumps to 20 percent, or more than 4 times. Is she has had 10 or more partners then the chance of divorce after 5 years is 35 percent, or 7 times the risk. This is simply an unacceptable amount of risk, IMO, when you take into consideration the legal, financial, and emotional cost of divorce.
Could you share the evidence around this
i remember destiny actually had evidence AGAINST this.
@@mrdbzfannThere's been studies here and there, with varying results but an overall trend. I just googled randomly and turned up "Re-Examining the Link Between Premarital Sex and Divorce." I havent read this study, but skimming the abstract it seems similar to some graphs I've seen.
Sorry if you wanted more, but this might give you an idea.
@@mrdbzfanntbf tho this works with men and women . Both of them do become worse partners after some sexual experience
If you google virgin divorce rate this is the first thing that pops up. I would encourage you to try it yourself. For all three cohorts, women who married as virgins had the lowest divorce rates by far. Eleven percent of virgin marriages (on the part of the woman, at least) in the 1980s dissolved within five years. This number fell to 8 percent in the 1990s, then fell again to 6 percent in the 2000s.Jun 6, 2016@@mrdbzfann
Sargon going full dad mode has been fun!
He is almost close to the end of the tunnel on the "coming to Christinanity" arc. I like it.
High body count for both men and women is a sign of an underlying mental health issue (at least I've found). I've often heard it said that men high five over body counts and yet in 37 years I have never seen this outside of celebrity (Hugh Hefner types). In high school I remember one guy in particular having a higher body count and no one was lining up to shake his hand. I actually remember kinda feeling bad for him. Even though he was a bit of an ass I remember his home life was not the greatest (we became friends which is how I found out).
I honestly think society over exaggerates promiscuous men being praised. Most of the women in my life have said they would never date a playboy because of them possibly cheating or leaving them. Heck even my best friend and I are disgusted by the idea of sleeping around. I've met other dudes like this too who value chasity, modesty, and being monogamous.
@@feliz2564 Yeah, society never really praised men for being promiscuous - women themselves valued men who had "experience". Which is to say, women in their 20s would find a man in his early 30s attractive not because he had slept with many women, but because he had perhaps been with two or three, had relationships, the ups and downs, and was now both sexually competent and emotionally stable.
Men who relentlessly slept around? Were generally treated with disdain, and many were the historical names for them - bounder, cad, womanizer etc.
If you can't count them all on one hand by a certain age, I don't want to associate with you and nobody else should imo
Legit
Agreed. Anyone, male or female, who needs more than one hand to count their sexual partners is automatically suspicious when it comes to marriage or long-term relationship potential. (Victims of SA excepted, of course. Although that brings its own set of issues for relationships.)
Yes but not as much as people think
Edit: *58 IS NOT JUST ABOVE AVERAGE THAT IS LIKE BEING IN THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPICS OF BODY COUNT*
Value is in the eye of the beholder. People should make no apologies for their preferences. Though accepting that you may have to compromise may be a nessicary pragmatic approach if you don't want to be alone forever.
This. I have to accept that I'm only going to find 1 women to settle down and have children with me, and I might still have to empty the washing machine and take the bins out.
That end discussion really hit close to home as far as my anxiety as a guy, and the social shame I feel for having mental health problems and how I'm just supposed to "suck it up". In a hundred years, the way we manipulated each others' mental states in present society will be seen with the same level of disdain and Excalibur-face as racism and eugenics.
Not true. We'll perfect social manipulation with the data acquired through data harvesting. As to you're other points, racism is only bad now because both because of indoctrination and that we have enough to around that we're not breaking into "tribes" for survival. Eugenics will find a comeback soon as we're approaching the point of genetic engineering. If anything, they'll regard our time as a group of morons who abandoned all forms of advancement for various emotional and moralistic highs.
*Dev: "...what happened with her from a logic-chain perspective."*
Motte-and-bailey. She used a Motte-and-bailey, and not even a good one. Three words.
Dev, women have it easier in both relationships and society. It's been that way for the longest time and their sexuality is put on a pedestal.
First 2 thing are so wrong, and the third is men who put it on a pedistal, that is why women use it
@@gaia7240 Nonsense women whether it be any semblance of a relationship with a man provided she isn’t being abused has the power in a relationship. And as society goes I mean just look at the whole sssniperwolf situation and tell me that she’d get the same slap on the wrist if she was a guy. I dare you to try and tell me that with a straight face.
It's insane to me that so many people have become so entitled that they believe they are owed a relationship by the universe. No one is allowed to be critical of anything anyone does. Even the smallest critique or "eh that's not really my style" can set a person off like a nuke and make them hate you. That's true for both men and women; I won't pretend it's just women, even if it is more prevalent among them.
There is almost always someone for everyone. Just because it's not who you want doesn't mean it's not true. Relationships are about giving and taking, growing and changing; they are not about ticking items off of a list. You will never have a good relationship if you wait to find the "perfect" person, if you even get one at all. Men seem to have a better grasp on that than women, but holy shit do I still see some incredibly entitled men demanding their perfect fuckdoll (or a harem of them) while cursing women as a whole for not wanting to be treated like shit so he can fulfill his fantasy.
Stop acting like main characters. We can't all be the center of the universe, and I'm sure as hell the most entitled people on the planet are nothing more than rarely seen, obnoxious background characters at the very best.
god the world is so fucking frustrating right now
an explenation is probably inherited probability, over 90% of women go on to reproduce in some way, men on the other hand, have a WAY lower %. So take that as an evolutionary trait over time, and it's obvious that women would feel entiteled to a relationship, the mojour difference atm, is that hypersexuality in society had a stone dropped in the pond with contraception with the pill and condoms (modern condoms), wich led to the "sexual revolution", we are still not adjusted as a species in a stable society after that rock made waves. And frankly, it doesent seem like the pond will calm down at all, except for a full collapse of the status quo, be it societal collapse, or something else. Only thing that's for sure, it's gonna be a rought time ahead, western society has close to mirrored the collapse of the roman empire 1 to 1, except worse^^.
And has to manny close assimalie with other societal collapse events as well
Is it entitlement, or earnings?
Is the guy who worked hard, is superchad billionaire, expected to accept the 45 year old 350lb chick that demands and feels entitled to him?
Why would I put in supermodel levels of effort to bang trailer park girls? Honestly?
Earned status is not entitlement, it's the exact opposite. It's like saying Usain Bolt is entitled to the world sprint record, no, he earned that.
Like most thing when it comes to humans and especially dating it only dose if the person on the other side think it dose.
Maybe idk biology/psychology like that but it definitely matters to me.
Yes. It matters. I hoped I saved someone 16+ minutes.
If she’s not a virgin, she will most likely leave you one day, statistically.
Not that a virgin won’t leave you, but the statistics tend to suggest that the more partners a woman have, the more likely she is to chase even more, to try and find the one that has the best of everything.
Facts!
Just started the video, and as a man in my mid 20s, I gotta say I only have 3 bodies in my basement
Life taught me that anything over 5 is a red flag, at that point you're opening yourself up to a world of unknowns, that could bite you in the ass some day. As a general rule of safety(for both your mental and physical well being), never more than 5 bodies on a woman.
@SniperRifleSc0pe You know what? I used to think double digits was where I drew the line. But I should respect myself more. I think I’m more agreeing with you that even 5 is too much.
Yeah, when I started dating my gf she told me she's been with 3 guys before and that set me off a bit especially because we were only 18 at the time. Assuming she's never cheated which I doubt she has, she's on the edge of acceptable in my opinion. I'd say starting at 15 (i don't think 15 year olds should be doing it, but it happens and unless cultural changes happen, this is just reality) every 5 to 7 years is more reasonably acceptable for a new count. Though 10 to 12 years is the more recommended amount.
@@slydoorkeeper4783 the rule is you 3x women's claim and /3 men's claims.
At least it was when I was 18 and had totally slept with 6 women.
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer I mean, I'd partially be surprised if she had that many prior. She doesn't exactly seem to be that type nor exactly look it. THEN again, men's standards are a lot lower than women's.
@@slydoorkeeper4783 At 18 3 bc is unacceptable to me. In fact anything more than 2 is unacceptable in my standards. I aim for a virgin and chaste woman preferably but I can deal with 1-2 bc if she can overcompensate with other traits.
Dating is full of double standards between the sexes. Nothing wrong with it though. Equality probably isn't the best lens to view dating by. Men and women tend to value some key things differently. Most women tend to value a man's income while men don't value a women's. They generally want a man with higher income than them. That's a double standard, yet most people accept it. You'll not hear these people who complain about double standards try to pick apart that. Same concept with a man's height. Most men aren't too bothered by a woman's height, but it's a big deal to a lot of women. These people just can't accept that a lot of men value women's chastity (while most women don't value a man's, it's mostly up for ridicule) because they want to sleep around, yet don't want to be judged as low value.
I dunno, I think there are definitely issues with the double standards. I tend to live the type of life I'd want from a prospective partner: I don't sleep around, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I'm not crude or crass or prone to violence. To quote John Wayne, “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.” I don't think any of that's unreasonable, but I've known a *lot* of physically and emotionally abusive women who seem to think it's a bridge too far.
The term alone is concerning to me - body count is how many people you've killed, not slept with; the way it's framed just bothers me.
The attitude to intimacy also matters to me, like if a woman has trauma she hasn't properly dealt with and is getting into bad relationships because of it that don't last, but then sorts herself and has a healthier approach to dating, that's completely different in my eyes to a woman who has never actually been in a relationship just 'had fun' then wants to settle down - one made mistakes and feels regret or shame towards past behaviour, while the other doesn't and refuses to accept the consequences of irresponsibility.
Just as there's a big difference in my eyes between a single mother with multiple kids to different guys, and a single mother who lost her husband such as an accident or he was military or whatever.
^
I am also disgusted by how the red pill and whatever community started this discussion refers to people as "bodies." I had the same criticism of BLM for referring to the young men (and rarely women) killed by police (rightfully or wrongfully) as "black and brown bodies" and not as men, boys, or people. It's disturbing how people who claim "colored people" is more dehumanizing that "people of color" will remove all humanity from the dead and their sexual partners.
Yep additionally people can change, like someone who has repented and abandoned such sinful life be it due to bad decisions trauma but either way felt sorrow and repented, to them i would say you should give a second chance.
But the guy or gal who takes pride in these sins, you should avoid.
With God anything is possible and through him we can change to become better people. But those who are unrepentant you should avoid
@@ianlilley2577 exactly. I understand wanting to treat someone's number as a black and white issue, but people /can/ change and grow.
@@nicolemichele-darkwoodland2136 i often point to Mary Magdalene in such matters, she is said to be a whore, but when she met Christ she wept and repented and went on to become one of the Saints.
High body count for both sexes is bad. Settle down and get married. End of story
There's an old adage that goes something like this: "A key that opens any lock is valuable, but a lock that opens to any key is worthless"...
It's also a terrible argument.
It simply repeats its own assertions back to itself as justification for the assertion.
Also if you don't think of your role as a man as stick dick in women & dispose of then after because they let you have sex with them so they are now low value females you'll do better.
You can't complain about male virginity if you think a woman is not supposed to be having sex.
I agree with everything but the conclusion. This idea that man and woman having sex is the same isn't true. For example, the classic "when a guy sleeps around he's praised but when a woman sleeps around...". That has to do with the idea that for guys it's much harder to get a lot of partners but for women it's easier. So, much like anything else in life, such as being fat or being in shape you'll get praised for having discipline and self control and shamed for the lacking self control
Long answer, yes.
Short answer, yes.
Make this the decade we CANCEL thottery
I think it's more likely that this is the decade thottery cancels us - we're facing a demographic collapse the likes of which hasn't been seen since... the Great War, essentially.
Sargon is in the middle of every controversy worth covering because he's a decent orator and I suspect something of an expert at trolling people suffering from terminal social media.
I mean, he's a decent orator who uses that as a mask to hide just how astonishingly stupid some of things falling out of his mouth are. He is firmly convinced, for instance, that the whole trail of woe that is British history for the last century is America's fault and not the British fucking up every single thing they touch.
@@AJadedLizard I don't know where you get that take from. He goes on constantly about how so many of Britain's current troubles are because British people keep screwing things up. There's plenty of blame apportioned to America, but no more than *every other country on Earth* tries to assign to the bogeyman that the USA has become. Are you really going to say that he is wrong to blame the US for Britain having a BLM movement, like that's something they have done to themselves? If you think he gives America too much credit for Britain's problems, you should see what comes out of the mouths of anyone south of Texas...
I’m religious if a girl told me that she was very promiscuous but gave herself to God I would have to reject her it’s the idea of all those guys using her disgusts me. I can forgive her and treat her with kindness and compassion but dating is off the table imo
As a child reading Orson Scott Card, I remember how unrealistic it seemed that Lock and Demostthenese could manipulate public opinion based on the skill of their writing. In an era of news networks where public opinion was determined by the news cycle it seemed far fetched that an opinion writer could garner that level of attention and actually shape public discourses. It seems that Sargon has risen to that level in our current world.
As someone who also read Ender's Game... that's an interesting point.
Though I find it funny ID enforced forums never/haven't yet taken off. Well, at least in the States anyway, though Twitter is trying.
Eh~ I still think it’s impossible to go from, teenage social media culture-warrior to planetary dictator.
@@calvincoolidge5795 I wouldn't worry until aliens show up and glass China
Man, I need to reread Ender saga. Thanks for reminding me.
Shadow of the Applebees manager, coming to theatres near you
Why is finding new experiences mean getting your cheeks clapped? Travel, learning to cook exotic foods, a new hobby, do that not count anymore.
They all lead to cheek clapping tbf.
💀💀💀💀 so true tho literally can do anything but get cheeks clapped
Worthless people always reduce themselves to just the ability to use their genitals.