Saying Indians are not Asians due to different culture is like saying Nigerians are not Africans because their culture is different from Egyptian culture.
The main reason is phenotype, not culture. But everyone are different in culture. Saying indian are asian because they influenced south east asia would imply that everyone are asian since catholic religion influenced east and south east asia too. The only valid thing that would make indian asian is geography, that also applies for russians, arabs, jews and others on the continent. It also applies for Europeans who are also technically asian too since Europe and Asia are on the same continent. Most english speaking countries refers asian as the phenotype of east and south east asia in common linguistic usage. Basically it never was about continent. The term Asia is used as continent while the term Asian is used as phenotype reference. It's similar with the word American refering only to US citizens, yet no one is complaining about it. Why? Probably due to the influence of kpop and other east asian media
@@KFC431 If phenotype and what the people look like is what determines continents, then North Africa is not part of Africa. The only thing that is relevant when determining if someone is Asian or not is geography. Not culture, not religion, not phenotype. There is no “Asian culture” because there are many different cultures in Asia.
@@blueerosion That's where the missconception stems from. People usually use the word asian not as a continent or what determines continent in the first place. (Update: I realised something. The geographical usage of "asian" is both incoherent and eurocentric. Even Europe can be classified as a region in Asia as it sits on the same tectonic plate as both EA and SEA and is largely connected by land. There's no objective reasoning as to why Europe isn't part of Asia, only the fact it's eurocentric. And it's incoherent as there's nothing that Middle East, South Asia, Central Asia, East and South East Asia that all have in common that significantly distinguish them from the rest.) In common linguistic usage in most english speaking countries, asian is used to refer to the phenotype of east and south east asian phenotype, not the whole continent in the first place. If you think about it, it's like how most people use the word american to refer only to the US, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're denying the existance of other countries in both north and south america. The word American and Americas are different while the word Asian and Asia is also differently used. The reason why people usually don't refer to the continent as a whole is due to the fact that you can simply replace the word "asian" with "human", because like we both agree on, there's no such thing as an asian culture/religion since there's all kind of them. Instead the concept of phenotype is being applied here. For instance, middle easterners are often refered as arab phenotype, while south asians are refered as brown/desi while east and south east are refered as asian, you could argue why not used the term "mongoloid", well the term originated as a degratory word towards people who possess east and south east asians facial features to denigrate them. It would be the same reason why we wouldn't use the word "negro1d" in common linguistic usage. While the term caucasian didn't really stem from such degradation due to the origins and biases of people who invented such words.
@@blueerosion I don't think it necessarily stems from racism. But the reason why people would say that certain people aren't asian is due to the fact that countries also have their own definition of who's asian and some even have different geography. For instance, if I go to the UK, people would say that I'm not asian and would refer me to a oriental. So you can kind of see that there are nuances. Internet and TV shows often refers to asian as to east and south east asians phenotype which also contributed to this. But personally I don't see where's the issue since I wouldn't mind if people start refering asian to only south asians and east/south east asian phenotype as orientals or another word. Or simply people just abandon the usage of the term asian since it wouldn't represent any specific identity due to the continent being so vast with different cultures on it, everyone knows that, it's just the usage that varies. It's kind of like how the word american is being used, despite mexicans, canadians, other south american countries in america exist, people only refer american as to US citizens.
@@KFC431 First of all, I never pulled the racism card, so don’t bring that up here. Second of all, I never said the reason most westerners don’t consider Indians Asian is because of phenotype. That is true, but that does not make it correct. Asia is a geographical term so people from that geographic area are Asian, end of story.
India is a country within the continent of Asia. East Asians don't have monopoly over an entire continent. Just because East Asians don't want to use the word East in front of their identity doesn't mean the Asian identity of others dissapear.
Asia just means Non-Europe, which is similar to simply saying Eurasian land mass or, if I stretch a bit, simply saying Earth. Actual East Asians never asked to be called by the term Asian, or even East Asian for that matter. We tend to call ourselves by 'Korean', 'Chinese', 'Japanese'. By the way, Indians used to be not so keen on being called "Asians" until it became cooler to be associated with places like Korea and Japan. If you're talking about geographical location, India is in Asia alright but in terms of identity, Indians claiming it now as a self-identity sounds kind of disingenuous. Indians keep showing desires to slander East Asians, yet at the same time, wish to be associated with us (which is the reason why you suddenly want to be called "Asians") which is pretty very self-contradictory. If Indians didn't have the self-hate, you would just wish to be called "Indians", like how Koreans and Japanese just want to be called "Koreans" and "Japanese". But they keep insisting on being called "Asians", and especially starting from recent point in time. Where is that motivation coming from? It is not natural and it is self-contradictory. I don't appreciate it when people who are so keen on putting us down also want be associated with us when they feel convenient.
@@lifeasanexperiment India does have historical cultural relations with SE and parts of east, But we see ourselves as Indians first and foremost. Also, "Asian" is not a racial identity and it never was. Its a continental identity. Just because most of the western media associates the term with E and SE doesn't actually make it a racial identity. Half of central asia, the "stan" counties also look like you, millions of eastern and NE indians, nepalies, bhutanies also look like you. But that doesn't mean only only some of us are asians and others aren't lol🤣🤣🤣 You are racially mongoloid not "asian". And even gulf arabians and persians are asians as a matter of fact.
@@nidhisawant4313 Actually you're the only ones who mention about race stuff. Asian never was related with race. That's what indians don't understand. The term asian is associated mostly with phenotype in most english speaking country, it is normally not associated with continental identity in common linguistic usage. There's not really a continental identity associated with asia since you'll find all humans in asia, russians, jews, arabs, south asians, and east + south east asian phenotype. And the cultural relations with SE thing, that would make everyone on earth asian since everyone influenced each other, christianity also influenced east and south east asia, that would make most countries asians. Just because I influence you, doesn't mean I have to be you. Just because you influenced me, doesn't make me the same as you, nor you the same as me. India is clearly different from south east asia, they had their own distinct history and culture. To me it's so dumb talking about influence because I see everyone commenting all the time that "ohhh our culture is so similar, I also get punished by my parents this or that way" -says almost every culture ranging from south america to arabs to south asians. Like... you can find similarities and influence everywhere but indians are one of the only that use it to associate with south east asian to call themselves asian because they think people are being racist for not including them within the term "asian" when they clearly refer to the term asian phenotypically, not geographically. If half of central asia or other people look phenotypically east/south east asian, then they are phenotypically asian as well as geographically, nothing wrong with them looking like east/south east asians. In casual conversation they would also be refered as asian phenotypically.
@@lifeasanexperiment I highly agree with that, I notice this happening VERY recently. Before that, east/south east asian phenotype were seen as bad and people didn't want to associate themselves with the term asian. There were also lot of propagandas against asians due to wars, you can check out the propagandas of the chinese exclusion act. Then more recently due to kpop and anime, people want to associate themselves with the term asian since it's seen as cool and exotic. You know the guy when he mention about ppl looking like us? Look at india itself. India used to discriminate against north east indians for looking east asian due to being mixed with chinese. They were discriminated against and being called "chinese" but in a degratory way. Now more recently, they are praised and being called "ohh we have our beautiful north east indians" or "we have our own jimins". And I'm like 😐 Obviously the most common usage of the word asian is phenotype of east and south east asia except for the UK which referes to it EXCLUSIVELY to south asian/brown/desi.
India is a country in south asia which is within the continent of asia. The term asian is often used to refer to east and south east asian phenotype, east asians didn't chose to be refered as asian or east asian. Just because indian don't want to use the word South in front of their identity or simply refering themselves as desi(ACTUALLY THEIR OWN LANGUAGE) doesn't mean the Asian identity of others dissapear also it doesn't make others who use the word asian phenotypically racist or uneducated, it's basically just indians who blame east asians to then find out that east asians are not at fault then blame others for being "racist and uneducated" just to then find out it's indians who didn't understood it was about phenotype rather than geography
Another Perspective, in the UK Brits use Asian to refer to Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis'/Nepalis/Afghans, Maldivians and Sri Lankans. while Chinese refers to Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese etc.
Agreed. Here in NZ I think the perspective is basically the same. Even though we are geographically far apart from the UK. To me India is big enough to be virtually a continent in itself. Terms like East Asian or South Asian are completely meaningless to me. If you were visiting NZ and got attacked by somebody from the Indian sub-continent and you told the police you were attacked by an Asian the cops would start looking for some martial arts guy from China, Japan etc. Don't make that mistake.....
@@cathybrind2381 It's meaningless to you but not to actual Asians. East Asian and South Asian tell the difference between us. The problem is cause y'all made "Asian" a race when no Asian person in Asia considers Asian a race. Only East Asian Americans and non-Asian Americans think that.
@@cathybrind2381agreed. could be the fact that the UK invaded and drew the borders of india, and so there's that strong connection to it. new zealand of course also has connections to UK historically. ❤
"Get to America from india or Asia" bro WTF is india or asia.. india country is an part of asia so do not say"india and Asia separated it's ok to say Indian guy and Asian guy separately but do not separate india as a country from asia continent
Why all south asians have to be indian to them, but all of them are "asian"? How much of Asia looks like east asians? Wth. Have all of them call themselves Chinese since they cant be east asian. I think , that they think, south asians want to share their culture 😂😂😂
As an Indian, India is in Asia but we like being called Indians than Asians. On the other hand Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, thai, Filipinos etc should be called 'Mongoloids' instead of Asians because Asian is big and Its not owned by a single ethnicity.
The reason why the word mongoloid is not used in modern days is due to it's origins as an insult to insult the east and south east asian phenotype. It's also kind of a universal insult in other languages. Basically degraotry word. Same for the N word with "oid" at the end. Essentially, we're all on the same continent (Europe/Asia) since Europe, Middle east, East, South East and South Asia are all on the same continent, the map is just eurocentric to separate the white people from the people of color. If you want to call it Eurasia, then logically, you should call India and Asia as IndiaAsia since India is geographically used to be it's own continent that then merged with Asia unlike Europe. But then, should we call europeans, arabs, desi, east and south east asian as all asian? It doesn't make sense since despite literally all of us being on the same continent, we're not the same demographic. The word asian is usually used more as a way to refer to a phenotype rather than the whole continent. And it essentially replace the word "mongoloid" for it to not be a racist insult similarly with the word (N word + "oid"). Then all this situation feels quite disingenuous because most of the world use the word asian in the phenotypical sense in order to refer to the phenotype of east/south east asian with exception for british. I also asked people all around the world (europeans, middle east, east/south east) and they use it the same way with the exception of indians calling themselves asian. It wasn't a big deal, it's just words/common linguistic usage. But it was around the year 2017 that you'll see more people arguing that they are asian too due to the influence of east asian media that they want to be a part of.
@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo individuals of white Slavic Russian descent are typically not considered Asians. The term "Asian" is commonly used to refer to the phenotype from East Asia and Southeast Asia. Slavic Russians are primarily of European descent and are typically classified as part of the white or Caucasian racial category. Btw Russia is still 77% in asia!
Europe itself never was a continent. Europe also sits on the same tectonic plate as EA and SEA, which makes europeans technically more "asian" than the indian-subcontinent. It's simply a region in Asia like middle east. It's due to cognitive bias from european explorers in the past that were trying to separate Europe from the rest of the continent based on religion, culture, language and mostly phenotype. Based on those criterias, middle east, south asia, east/south east asia should all be their own continents. The geographical usage of the word "asian" doesn't make sense, it's inconvenient since it englobes too many type of people. That's why most english speaking countries such as Canada, US and Australia are using the phenotypical usage(appearance, refering to EA/SEA). The reason why many people outside of EA/SEA now wants to be refered as "asian" is due to the rise of softpower from East Asia such as kpop, kdrama and other cultural exportation. Cultural/religion shouldn't be determining factor as to who is or isn't asian. Christianity influenced EA and SEA, gunpowder from China (culture, firework) reshaped tge whole world, Europe had interactions with ancient China for more than 1000 years. What about the word "american"? It's only refering to US citizens, should canadians, mexicans and other countries in both North and South America being refered as american?
My whole life i have been taught that the term Asian means a person who is from a country that is situated in Asia , so technically Indians are Asians .
@@mayakim8757 Exactly, Asia is a huge continent with a number of countries. But only north-east asian countries are considered as Asian. These stereotypes are literally so bad.
You forgot the language aspect. In India everyboy speaks English to some degree which is not the case in the rest of Asia. I have always felt, that it makes Indians feel a lot closer to the Western world.
That's a really good point - I've noticed in the US that first generation have much better English than first generation Asians (specifically East Asian)
@@ChangNationIn Australia 🦘🌏 Asians from Mainland China are more Alpha. Even Hong Kong people have different attitude. However what your talking about is also more collectivism and community-ism where third party perspective cripples some Asians, I also believe it's usually in "those Asians" who didn't have a balanced approach to life, i.e parents saying: _"if your not a doctor or lawyer you may as well be a janitor!"_ approach.. Kids of these parents might only have video games and animae as their out let and don't engage in Team building skills to gain confidence such as basketball etc. Where Mainland Chinese do.. (I'm Not Chinese) I also noticed there's a slight difference between the attitudes of Pakistanis And Afghanis (who are also considered Asians), higher on the social confidence & intermingling scale in comparison to some of their Indian counterparts.. It's very true, Indians will bring up other Indians in Any Organisation.. Those Asians who's parents are balanced i.e. encouraging kids to play more team sports and also Excel in studies as well as any creative endeavours have way more chilled relaxed *"Alpha"* Asians.. On Melbourne Australia there are a lot of Asian guys and white girls, 2nd gen Asian as well as 1st gen.
@@mikejones-wn1sw Bruh you sound hurt.. If you were ever Bullied by Persians, Pakistanis and/or Afghans in the past then I'd like to say, I'm sorry for your grief.. One day you will find your inner alpha 😉 Have a nice day sir..
Bro don't said that all Asian Countries like Philippines Indonesia Malaysia Myanmar Japan even China is having an India Blood, its either that's only 3% or 5% we are still having an Indian Blood, so if some Asian countries said that you're not Asian, so how he or she exist ask an Asian 😂 because Indians is the one of the oldest Asian blood bro, meaning all Asian Countries is started from the Indian Bloods. So if some Asian questioning you just questioning him too for he's existance of being an Asian 😂
Yeah they are Asians but most of them have West Eurasian ancestry which makes them closer to Europeans. Only the tribals and Northeast Indians are closer to East and Southeast Asians as they mostly have East Eurasian ancestry.
@@vorrdegard2176 The genetic makeup for the majority of Indians is West Eurasian which is European/West Asian-related and found at a rate of 60-70% on average. The indigenous component of most Indians is closer to East Asians and is found at around 30-40% on average.
Indians looks similar to Arabs and Mediterranean race, because they have big eyes, big nose big height, whereas Asians are small and flat. So they look different, and also we don't have a strong smell like indians and arabs
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x That is a very European or Western perspective to seek to measure percentages, I agree with the one above, the Indians have nothing to do with Europe, they are almost like a different race, I would say that it is a very arrogant and Eurocentric vision.
One theory i thought of on why Indian people bring each other up more than Chinese people do in America is because there are so many different types of Indians with more distinct cultures so they're probably a lot more connected if they're from the same place. Meanwhile, in China they pretty much threatened to kill everyone and forced them to speak Mandarin some hundreds of years ago for uniformity, killing off a lot of dialects. China is big place but probably lost a lot of local culture. Not sure if that is the reason why but could be a factor.
Uhhhhh😂 I don’t know what u talking about, did we force ppl to speak mandarin. Crazy, do India has official language? 😂apparently India is not very united compared to China.
Did we threaten to kill everyone idk. Aren’t the Indian police pretty brutal in the street. 😂 apparently u don’t know much about Chinese ppl even tho u r Chinese decent 😂
@@ericjiang7986our unity comes in diversity while chinas unity comes in uniformity. Neither is better than the other but don’t berate our country for being diverse…
This Asian vs Indian is American thing, Asians for most of the rest of the world means non-Caucasian populations who have their ancestries in Asia continent. In Asian context, Indian is a South Asian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese is East Asians (I don't have a mindset that Asian = East Asian in cultural context). Indian is more like national ethnic.
Just a question here, when u talk about "Asian", do u think of people like Indians or people like Chinese? Another question is that do u think Indians look more Asian than Chinese?
@@jackjackyphantom8854 No, My thought when Asian word come-up, first in my mind was non-Caucasian, non-African is closer to the description in term of "Look". Notion of ethnic hadn't emerged. Note: when I saw actual people, Asian narrative just doesn't come up, rather the notion of ethnic come to play. (e.g. that when Chinese, Arub, Indian, Malay, Laotian, Thai come to play. It can be simplify as "Asian" refer to 3 person, "ethnic" is like 2nd person in conversation narrative.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 Another point I'd give in similar meaning as Asian is European, if look is the context , the Caucasian would be better choice. European emerged first, then ethnic like English, Frank, Dutch, Scandinavian, Italian, Slavic came later in my mind.
Indians are Asians(South asians), Koreans, Japanese, Chinese are Asians(East Asians). We are literally on the same continent. Yes, we might be different racially but geographically we are in Asia.
@sonnytann look at these dumb azzes teaching about race when I literally mentioned we are not racially asian but Asians as we are on the same continent. You guys need to read more, especially geography.
@sonnytann Indo-Aryan is most of India! Dravidians are South Indians and there are only 300 million and other 1 billion are indo-Aryan! *Source:google*
I am an Indian-American who grew up in the states. Honestly, in high school most of my friends were East Asians and I considered myself to be Asian. For most part, all my friends saw me and couple of our other Indian friends as Asians. But when we went to universities, our friend group changed. As we started living on our own we started to go our separate ways. I am not sure if their point of view changed, but at an adult I started to relate more to the Indian culture and started to associate myself as an Indian-American. Interesting topic. I refer to myself as Indian and if I am with people from the same region, we typically call it the subcontinent. Rarely I call myself Asian.
In the UK, when people say Asian, they usually mean Indian/Pakistani but in Canada/America it's the opposite lol. Btw I knew a Chinese guy that grew up near the border of Pakistan/China and spoke Mandarin and Urdu
Exactly what I was thinking. Of course when you look at news reports, the British media are going to talk about this more than any other country since it was their election. The BBC is going to say Asian Prime Minister but CNN and FOX is going to say Indian British Prime Minister. So of course, with the news outlets, they’re going to refer the PM as Asian more than Indian.
asian isn't an ethnicity. It's a geographic term. If your ancestors were from Asia and has had cultural Impact from asia, then your asian. Americans aren't all the same ethnicity but they're still called Americans. There's a difference between all terms Geographic terms: asian, Africa, American, pacific islanders Countries: China, India, new Zealand, Syria, nigeria Ethnicity: anglo, Hans, Punjabi, arab/persian, nigerian/igbo, maori Nationality: us citizen American/canadian, Syrian, New zealander/kiwi, nigerian, Indian, chinese
@myopinions3333 the east part of Russia was once asia and borders mongolia and china. It was once call, Siberia, before Russia expanded and colonized the locals. Now the area are mostly inhabited by slavs Caucasians and the natives there speak Russian. So yes you can say Russia is part of asia. Eurasia.
In the USA, Asians means Chinese only, not Indians. In the UK, Asians means means the people from the Indian subcontinents and Chinese are called Orientals. Middle Eastern are considered as white in the USA. Caucasians are considered as white in both the USA and the UK, but in Russia and Finland they are considered as Blacks.
Race and nationality do not overlap each other entirely, in a time when concepts like race and nationality are intertwined this will always remain a subject of debate. One may also hear that people who are American are not Asian because they have American citizenship. Race or better term would be lineage or genetically India has a big population that matches east Asians, but majority is Indian or south asian. Also a big population has west asian/middle East asian lineages. I would say since ASIA ia a huge continent and has a lot more diversify in terms appearance most basic distinction as basis for race, what we call asian should be called east Asians if they want to distinguish themselves from rest of Asians. Asian as umbrella term will naturally include everyone in asia which may not overlap with one single lineage.
Exactly, West Asians (always called Middle Easterners), Central Asians and South Asians are Asians too. Asia is such a diverse continent in languages, cultures, phenotypes and etc, so it makes no sense that East Asians and South-East Asian exclusively monopolise the term 'Asian' for themselves. Some Asian countries are diverse in one and/or several metrics, like India (North-East Indians appear like East and South East Asians and tribal Indians in rest of mainland India look loosely like Ancient Ancestral South Indians, Papuans and Aboriginal Australians), Nepal (some look like typical South Asians and some look like East Asians), Myanmar, Indonesia, Russia (with Siberia/North Asia for the Indigenous East Asian looking North Asian inhabitants), Kazakhstan (other Central Asian countries too where most look more like East Asian, some are mixed between European and/or Persian and East Asian and some look more like European or Persian), even China, and others are homogeneous like Koreas, Japan and Taiwan (Indigenous peoples overwhelmed by Han Chinese settlers). Unfortunately, Europe has exported toxic Eurocentric ideologies by associating Asian with East Asian‐looking people through negative connotations in a hypersexualised manner through the race science in Sweden around 1700's, that the original geographic meaning of Asian (anything outside of Europe eastwards by the Ancient Greeks imaginary) has been corrupted as a short-hand way to describe the 'Mongoloid' race/phenotype, meaning those of East/South-East Asian ancestry and appearance. There's no doubt that East Asians and South-East Asians especially in Western/European societies are facing lots of racism as seen with the Covid-19 pandemic, and it's indeed traumatic, however the East Asian-centric worldview is not the one size fits all approach for solving ethnic/racial issues of other non-East/South-East Asians (even South-East Asians can be different from East Asians in certain circumstances as the former has more phenotypic diversity than the latter). White Europeans use the supposedly meek nerdry submissive stereotype of East Asians to drive a wedge by othering non-East Asians (ie, Brown Asians also including South-East Asians in certain circumstances) into marginalisation and invisibility, as demonstrated in the contexts of USA, Australia, NZ, Canada, many continental European countries (reversed in the UK where 'Asian' is synonymous with South Asians and East/South-East Asians are referred to as Orientals) and possibly Latin America. The Euro-American Orientalism has gotten so bad that the 'Asian' label in specialised Asian shops, restaurants and media across the Western World, Latin America and a handful of non-East/South-East Asian countries only represent East Asians like ethnic Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans and South-East Asians like ethnic Vietnamese and leaving out West, Central and South Asians which is blatantly racist and a completely inaccurate distortion of historical facts, demographics and present geopolitical realities; This phenotype stereotype of 'Asian' being especially East Asian and South-East Asian (those who appear more East Asian like some Vietnamese) or those with East Asian looks are the root cause of lethal white supremacist racism as it gives the false impression that all Asians look the same due to racist stigmas of the 'Chinese' being ugly slitty-eyed barbarians that eat stinky food. West Asia is far more genetically more diverse than East Asia for a non-African region as humans arrived to West Asia first; Each population founder effect reduces human genetic variation, and since migration to East Asia underwent several founder effects, it became one of the most genetically homogeneous regions in the world which creates the phenotypical similarity of modern East Asians (especially Koreans, Japanese and most Chinese, although some South Chinese share similarities with some South-East Asians. Also, more homogeneous than South Europeans). The boundaries of Asia and Europe are not well defined as countries like Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus region are geographically in Asia -> northernmost part of West Asia, but are considered culturally and geopolitically part of Europe, hence are classified as European in certain circumstances; although, all Asian countries outside the Caucasus region are definitely Asian. 'Asia' needs to be reclaimed from the dominant East Asian gaze and Eurocentric narratives as a neutral inclusive pan-geographic level so that this gigantic landmass can fully showcase West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia with East Asia and South-East Asia as distinct subregions with their own cultural spheres of influence (West Asia -> Lebanon and Syria with Abrahamic religions to Europe and Africa. Central Asia, the crossroads of West Asia -> Iran, South Asia -> North-West India & Pakistan, and East Asia -> Mongolia. South Asia -> India with Hinduism. East Asia -> China with Confucian ideals. South-East Asia -> Indonesia with its Austronesian languages). If Africa is more used consistently (another diverse contient similar to Asia, although North Africa is a separate entity due to cultural, historical and political ties with islamic Arab countries in South-West Asia) to describe the whole continent in geographic terms, why can't Asia be the same? Many people inside Western/European countries and European colonial offshots can not tell the difference between nationality, ethnicity, race, skin colour, culture, language, and religion. Combine this with the general lack of understanding geography, and then it's hard to overcome the East Asian bias where East Asians as demonstrated in this video (tends to be very common among East Asian diasporas and a lesser extent among South-East Asian diasporas) keep on arrogantly abusing the 'Asian' term for their own political interests a by playing the ideology of delusional ignorance. These socially constructed concepts can be linked, and sometimes, they can be distinctly separate concepts, as shown in the examples below. Most East/South-East Asians, North Asians and some Central Asians tend to have neotenous facial features (flatter faces which look more feminine with low levels of sexual dimorphism, mono eyelids, less prominent eyebrows and nose bridge bones, eyes sitting flush with the face, poorly defined cheekbones and jawbones which make the face more younger than it actually is) and are racially 'Mongoloid' * (East-Eurasian lineage, specifically East/South-East Asian related ancestry in this case), whereas most South Asians, West Asians and some Central Asians tend to have non-neotenous features (angular features which look more masculine with high levels of sexual dimorphism, double eyelids, more prominent eyebrows and nose bridge bones, deep set eyes, well defined cheekbones and jawbones, which tends to look more European-like and making the face more mature) and are racially 'Caucasoid' * (West-Eurasian lineage). There is nothing wrong with that as 'Asian' simply means that any Asian ethnicity that has cultural, linguistic, religious and genetic roots in any region of Asia irregardless of their skin colour and/or phenotypical appearance. East Asia: Ex 1, Nationality: Chinese Ethnicity: Chinese/Han Chinese Language: Mandarin Religion: Irreligious, Chinese Folk Religion Race: Mongoloid * Ex 2, Nationality: Chinese Ethnicity: Uyghur Language: Uyghur Race: Mongoloid or Mongoloid/Caucasoid * South-East Asia: Ex 1, Nationality: Indonesian Ethnicity: Javanese Language: Indonesian Religion: Sunni Islam Race: Mongoloid * Ex 2, Nationality: Indonesian Ethnicity: Papuans/Melanesians Language: Languages of Papua Religion: Christianity and Traditional faiths Race: Australoid * Central Asia: Ex 1, Nationality: Kazakhstani Ethnicity: Kazakh Language: Kazakh, Russian Religion: Sunni Islam Race: Mongoloid, Mongoloid/Caucasoid * Ex 2, Nationality: Tajikistani Ethnicity: Tajik Language: Tajik Religion: Sunni Islam Race: Caucasoid * South Asia: Ex 1, Nationality: Indian Ethnicity: Punjabi Language: Punjabi, Hindi Religion: Sikhism (in India) Race: Caucasoid * Ex 2, Nationality: Indian Ethnicity: Tamil Language: Tamil Religion: Hinduism Race: Caucasoid * West Asia: Ex 1, Nationality: Saudi Arabian Ethnicity: Arab Language: Arabic Religion: Sunni Muslim Race: Caucasoid * Ex 2, Nationality: Iranian Ethnicity: Persian Language: Persian Religion: Shia Islam Race: Caucasoid * * Science proves that distinct biological races don't exist as humans are 99.9% genetically similar. Although there're distinct phenotypes for certain population clusters (but some can overlap greatly as there're variations within the same ethnicity as well), but those 'racial' * terms are controversial as they have strong roots in European colonialism and brutal enslavement of black Africans in the Americas based on white racial superiority.
btw the term we're looking for is phenotype. Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian. Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
Self-hate is always an affect of living in the U.S . , no matter what ethnic group is here. I believe this is partially due to the fact that one is expected to not value and/or give up their identities to “fit in”.
That seems to be the case indeed. Americans have such distorted samples of East Asians there, then proceed to think how actual East Asians think and live based on the distorted cultural groups they see in their racially charged environment. Racial diversity makes people's minds and behaviours pretty ugly and hyperfixated on race. It is a failed social experiment. I don't want my country to become multiracial. They create racial conflicts there, and carry it over to my country as well. Like blk Americans crying victimhood to...Koreans in East Asia who never enslaved them. Demanding us to change our language. Interpreting our every small move from the racial viewpoint that they've developed in their society. It is insanity.
This is so ridiculous because since when did "asian" even become a RACIAL identity? It has always been a continetal identity. All asian countries have similarities and differences with each other and similar in ways more than what this dude mentions. He probably never even grew up in his own homeland to know the microculture and the similarities. And he has probably not seen how NE and E indians, nepalese, norther bangladeshis, bhutanese and most of central asians look like. They look exactly like this dude. This is like saying ALL of africa is black and completely ignoring S. africas and african arabian countries.
@@АксельВалентин"Europe" and "Asia" are cultural/political continents. By geography it's all a big continent called Eurasia. That's why your Indian languages are related to European. Examples: Dyaus Pita = God/Sky Father ; The Buddha = budic (Slavic); Agni 🔥 = Ogien (polish) ; etc By science, there's no European, Asian or Indian. It's divided in West Eurasian and East Eurasian. You Indians are West Eurasian + some East Eurasian. In short, you're more related to Europeans/Arabs than Chinese/Asians That's it.
I think you may not be aware of the fact that India's IIT or tertiary education that kicked of the IT boom in India in early 90s to early 2000s is a core aspect of Indian CEO's in IT companies in America. The command of reasonably well spoken English in the early 90s and cheap labour brought many American IT to establish themselves in the Indian market. The East Asian unlike the Indian markets force multinational companies to collaborate or force tie with local companies (including technology transfers) this does not exactly happen in India. In other words there are better market protections for large organizations willing to establish themselves in India without fearing xenophobia, ingrained nationalism and or forced local company tie ups. Case in point do you see Koreans driving Japanese cars or vice versa? They have stamped each other out in this respect. Having been to China recently I see the same thing occurring there as well government policies favoring Chinese brands has meant Korean and Japanese car brands have tanked. India has well established carmakers Mahindra and Tata but despite that Indian market allows for foreign competition hence why even its adversaries i.e. China can establish themselves there as well. I would also point out that Indian culture has permeated into East Asian thought for at least 2 millenia. Case in point Buddhism and the translation of Sanskrit texts into Chinese. Other notable similarities with South East Asia and Southern China is there art forms, performances and food spices. Tamil Nadu the Indian state above Srilanka was primarily responsible for introducing new spices to South East Asia during reign of the Cholas. Asia is a geographical area spanning the far east all the way to the middle east so it should not be a surprise that people will look different and have uniquely different cultural practices. In UK, Europe and Australia being Asian covers those countries within those regions so I'm used to being called Asian or South Asian. Being Asian or defining Asians is a concept that I feel most Americans appear to struggle with because of the emphasise on race and having black and white definitions on discussions on race related issues.
Him: Indians don't look asian. Me: A northeast Indian who gets discriminated just because I have those southeast asian features 😂 Note: If you think that Indian don't look asian, come to Northeast India... You'll see the diversity of India right here😂... And I know that the majority of Indians don't look like those stereotypical Asian but bro, we exist too❤ do some research about NE Indians and you'll understand the similarities we have with to those stereotypical Asians. 😂
This video is totally bogus and I'm very sorry that you have to face racism. I've several North East Indian frnds and they are super duper cool just like the people from other parts of India. I'm from West Bengal myself so I can understand why some stereotypes are related to some particular ethnic grps which turn out to be dangerous mostly. I'm very sorry that our thick headed govt doesn't pay attention to north eastern states' development as much as they care about the West. NEVER EVER feel that you ain't a part of India coz in India, this diversity is our power and beauty. And Asian is a geographic title not Ethnicity. All Indians ARE Asians❤❤❤❤❤❤
Northeast Indians are the true inhabitants of china and south east asia. Long live naga. Tattoo, totems, Ancestral spirits, nature and war dance. The life before writing and civilization even existed
I am Indian and i do not consider myself as asian, we have a separate continent if you are forgetting called Indian sub continent for a reason (Afghani, pakistani, Indian,Bangladeshi, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan is part of it) we are different not just by culture but from DNA too. no hate or any superiority complex but we are different from asian asia. we are not better but different from asia
Afghanistan and the Western side of Pakistan is not the Sub Continent because The Indus River is the objective divider of Persia to the West, Central Asia to the North West and the Eastern side (Where most Pakistanis in the US and UK are from) is where Indian Sub Continent begins in an objective sense. Bhutan and Nepal might also not be Sub Continent as it is not the same as South Asia, please correct me if I'm wrong though.
Indians are asians. They have more influence on ancient asia than almost any other country. Buddhism came from India. Most patriarchal or caste system practiced by alot of asian countries today have roots from middle east or India. Taoism and confusim were post Buddhism and likely influence by Buddhism. Asian isn't a race. It's a continental term. If your ancestors have been in asia for a long time and have had impact on the culture, then its asian. Not oriental asian but still asian
@@cocwarrior130 Nepal is 100% Indian subcontinet with culture and geography, bhutan is also same. Afghanistan is not part of sub continent but culturally it is well within Indian cultural influence and persian/central asian bits and pieces.
Another thing to mention is that many online dating studies show that south Asian women have the highest rate of endogamy while East Asian women are the lowest. Indian women 99% of the time would rather date within their own race.
I think it could be explained with the fact they find east asian women more appealing mixed with the fact of self hatred and bad asian male representation in the western media. But personally I had many white girls asking me out. Maybe things are changing for the better.
This is the opposite from what I have seen with the Indian women. Many indian women seem to have a much lower opinion of Indian men than asian women of asian men. You have to remember india has some of the highest gender inequalities in the world. Asian women are just fetishized by other races vs Indian women who a relatively ignored.
The problem with everything about this is that "Asia" was defined by the ancient Greeks based on the geography in their region. They saw the world as three continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa) divided by three seas (Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, and Black Sea). They had no concept of how much of the world existed in the lands to their east. Europe is one of at least five comparable civilizations that exist on that northern land mass. There is the Western civilization identified as Europe, there is also the Sinitic civilization which is dominated by China but also includes Korea, Japan, and Vietnam. It also has a strong presence in Thailand, Cambodia, the Philippines, Laos, and Singapore. There is the Indic civilization centered on India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. It also extends into along with the Sinitic civilization into Myanmar, Malaysia and Indonesia. There is also a Persian civilization based in Iran that extends into Iraq, Azerbaijan, the Caucasus and Afghanistan. The other comparable civilization in Asia is the Semitic civilization, half of which is in North Africa, which includes Arabians and Levantines. On top of these five great civilizations of the northern land mass there are a number of important cultural entities the most important of which is the Turkic culture which includes the people of Turkey, Cyprus, and central Asia. There is also a Mongol-Siberian Culture that is distinct from the others. So while saying that Indians are Asians is technically correct-they are in fact as Asian as Chinese, Iranians, or Arabians-it's only because of the myopic world view of an ancient people who only knew about the world within a 1500 mile radius of their position.
The way modern term of "asian" is being used as a way to distinguish people, just like how black, white, arab or desi are used. The term we're looking for is phenotype. Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian. Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
Lmao and what about Pakistan, Bangladesh and etc?? The term Asian vs Indian is so sped in general, you all only talk about east Asia without considering south East Asian whose majority of culture is influenced by South Asia 😂, if y’all don’t wanna be associated w us cause y’all don’t like us and think we’re all dirty just say that, damn this whole video is like a dog whistle
I think this was a comedy clip not a scientific clip. Genetically the difference between the three 'major' races is miniscule (it comes down to minor differences in skin color and epicanthic folds in the eyes, more black hair, and so on). Culturally it depends on environment. Speaking as a White whose partner is Asian.
It was a comedy clip. Ronny is Malaysian and Malaysians are of Malay, Chinese, Indian and Orang Asli descent. He was making fun of the way the Americans see Asians as only East Asians while Brits only see Asians as South Asians.
Totally confused thinking!!😅😅😂😂 Indians are part of the Asian community period! They are also a dominant part of the community culturally and economically which leads to certain complexes on both sides of an unnecessary discussion!!😅😅😂😂
Am Indian and i don't consider myself as Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo - European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
@@SexyBeautifulBabe Indian are more related to Europeans, we are Caucasoid - Caucasoid are not native to Asia. Indian/ Europeans had a common ancestors in ancient times. Indian was classed under then Caucasian/white box when asked about our ethnicity. Europeans people had no problems with that. And then ever since Europeans found out that India's rich heritage e.g. India's' sacred language "Sanskrit" has many in common with the European languages and dates the OLDEST of the indo Europeans languages, Europeans tried covering it up, by claiming that some ancient Europeans turned into modern people Indians. Hence why they have many in things in common us Indians. Even Hitler said that the "Aryans" (pure Indian DNA) were the ULTIMATE SUPERIOR of the European race. After all this findings, NOW all of a sudden, Indians are NOT be classed under then Caucasian/white box when ask about our ethnicity, but should be classed as under the Asian category!!! Being called Asian make no sense for Indians
People have to realize India is a huge country. There are Assamese and Sino-Tibetian groups living in India. So should we consider them Asian or Indian?
Region of north eastern should be given independence from india and these people are tibeto-burmans and most assamese are big nose indo-aryan brown skinned indo-aryans
@@ChangNation Just call them Asian like us Indonesian need to be called as Asian ye mate. Why you guys Westerners especially Murican Yankee/Dixie doesn't call Arabs and Indians as Asian. I truly hate it when you guys calling the East Asians as the only Asians. I'm sick and tired with the kind of this.
Asian - THOSE WHO ORIGINATE FROM ASIAN CONTINENT. INDIA IS IN ASIA, THEREFORE ARE ASIAN. THESE PEOPLE YOU REFER IN COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA , JAPAN , PHILIPENES ETC ARE : EAST ASIANS
Indians don't necessarily bring each other up, I would say it might be even the other way. The more feeling is kinda threatened when u see another Indian because you know you have to compete with them!
@@ChangNation it usually depends on what kind of Indian, even Indians inside India have a different Mindset India itself when you come inside is a Continent on its own would feel like each state is its own country. some states are more Business oriented and some states manufacture. we even have Chinese Indians (Hakka for example who left for India when China became a Communist Country and stayed in parts of India) who are really good in the Food Business. then Thai Indians (North Thailand) who lived in India over 500 years ago inter-married with Indians and became part of the sub-continent. Even before migration, South Thailand had this intermarrying culture with Indians and allies. we don't see them as Outsiders but rather as Family. then African Indians who came to India as Slaves to the Muslim Rulers. then settled in India. then Persian Indians who came here after the Muslim Conquest of Persia were more like Cousins to Indians because Persia and India used to be one Country and One People. if you ask me personally Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, Bhutanese, Bangladeshis, Tibetans, Persians, Tajaks, Yazidis and Kurds come under one group in terms of Both Cultures and then the rest of the world, because these used to be the same people. the Indian Country as well called today was huge than people think or realize. Persians are basically Indians Cousins who separated themselves.
As someone who has worked with them for over a year, they far have each other's backs than whites or Asians. Heck if even of them come in, they can control the office politics and get every white and Asian out. There are huge complaints in canada of Indians literally invading workplaces
Update: Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian. Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist. Honestly things were fine the way different ethnicities in asia were being refered. East and south east asians are still refered as asians in english speaking countries, except UK who refers asian as south asians exclusively. I feel like indians are trying to argue and change this due to the rise in popularity of east asian media in order to gain benefits from it. But the pandemic negated some of the effect.
The term "South Asian" only exists to appease Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc that don't want to be lumped in with Indians. When the British left the Indian subcontinent in the 1940s, the largest territory took the name India so all the smaller territories that emerged at the same time had to dissociate themselves as much as possible from the name.
asian isn't an ethnicity. It's a geographic term. If your ancestors were from Asia and has had cultural Impact from asia, then your asian. Americans aren't all the same ethnicity but they're still called Americans. There's a difference between all terms Geographic terms: asian, Africa, American, pacific islanders Countries: China, India, new Zealand, Syria, nigeria Ethnicity: anglo, Hans, Punjabi, arab/persian, nigerian/igbo, maori Nationality: us citizen American/canadian, Syrian, New zealander/kiwi, nigerian, Indian, chinese
Indian here Id like to have a specific identity which is indian I can't relate to Asia and Asian looking people You guys can get clubbed under Asia and I'm perfectly ok with it Take it and go
Asian is not race. Indians are asian causes they are part of asia continent plus in UK the word Asian is referred to indians, pakistani, Bangladeshi,. And only in US the word Asian is referred to east asians. Plus asia is the most diverse continent in the world it doesn't have people who look the same. Plus even in india northeast indians are different, north indians are different, South indians are different, east indians are different.
@@vcfirefoxmy guy I'm indian in india only ok everyone in india who are educated knows they are asians and in the Asia continent. It's litterly in the dictionary stop taking the American term the US term for asian is UNOFFICIAL just because the word Asian refers to a specific ethic group doesn't mean the whole world will adapt to that term too. Plus no one in asia calls themselves asian why? Cause asian isn't a race. Indians calls themselves indians, Chinese calls themselves Chinese, Japanese calls themselves japanese, afghans calls themselves Afghanistani. It's simple as that
@@vcfirefox my guy just read the damn dictionary to find the definition of asian. Your here believing in US term as if everyone outside the US care about them. Stop being brainwashed
The Indian Sub-continent should have been called a separate continent. If Europe, which is part or the Eurasian landmass can be called a separate continent I don't see why South Asia, which is on a separate tectonic plate and is clearly demarcated by the Himalaya mountain ranges should just be sub-continent and not a separate one. This would solve this, "are Indians Asian" question.
That's because Indians and Asians are not in control of their own narratives. The world is still very much Euro centric although I believe that this is slowly changing.
@@AspiringSun Not all of India should be part of the Indian continent. NE India should be part of SE Asia. The 40 million people should not be wrongly categorized In other words - the country of "India" would span across 2 continents
Just because you share the same land mass doesn't make you the same people. Its about lineage. People tend to confuse nationality (land you are born on) with race (who your people are). Even in the melting pot of uncle sam, people who come here & get citizenry live mostly amongst themselves aka little china, little italy etc. Everyone calls themselves Amer, but each race has a lineage that goes outside that country. That guy would indeed stand out in a bollywood production. Never forget your ancestry, cause Amer will throw that in your face when it suits them, even the 2nd & 3rd generation.
minority live among themselves in every society I am from nepal and here a lot of indian (all ethnicity ) live among themselves as indian community and when i was traveling to india i saw nepali (all ethnicity) living together as nepali community In foreign countries nepali people live close to or indian community because of cultural similarities Same goes for asian smaller community living closer to Chinese If a place is more diverse then place you will find more people living among themselves
Jump scare but there's something called West Eurasian and East Eurasian in reference to the continent of Eurasia. West Eurasian lineages predominate in Europe and West Asia (Middle East) while East Eurasian lineages predominate in East and Southeast Asia. Indians mostly carry West Eurasian (Europe/Middle East-related) DNA but also carry lower levels of East Eurasian ancestry. The Adivasi groups in India as well as Northeast Indians are predominantly of East Eurasian origin (either AASI or ESEA) however. East Eurasian lineages are native to South Asia.
East/Southeast Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, Filipino, Thai) and South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) look nothing alike and don't share similar cultures or customs. Saying they're the same would be like saying Asians and Europeans are the same since it's all one connected land mass anyway. To illustrate the obvious differences, see which group has been affected by anti-Asian racism and violence during COVID. Don't recall coming across an article or video about some Indian being targeted. Meanwhile, I have seen such stories of Burmese, Filipino, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese people being attacked because of said racism, even though they're not Chinese. Likewise, East/Southeast Asians weren't affected by post 9/11 racism but some South Asians were.
Hinduism and Buddhism are the common religions in India as well as Burma, Thailand and Cambodia so yes they do share simialr customs and culture, Buddhism comes from India, the thai greeting is basically the same as the Indian one (palms folded), they eat curry, their clothes are related to the Indian Dhoti, mundu, their ancient cities and temples are based on southern Indian architecture (compare Angkor Wat with Brihadeeswara temple for example), their script is based on south indian script. The real question is what do Thai, Cambodian, Burmese share in common with east asians? Very little except their appearance, and why is appearance that important? Isn't more important how we are on the inside?
@@adityarajan592except that appearance matter the most with humans since its the very first thing we see in others, not their traits. They may not be correct but it is as it is. I'm technically southeast asian (filipino) by citizenship but racially I cannot call myself asian since I'm mediterranean (spanish-sephardic jewish descent) and look like one. I stand out here all the time and get bullied at school for looking different. I get comments from people even strangers often questioning my citizenship since I don't look filipino/asian even though I carry Philippine passport and my great-grandparents have been here since the 1800s.
@@ChhrrisH2496 That’s the problem, if you think there are different races of humans…racism can exist… If there is one human race…racism is a joke….and cannot exist. The big lie is many races exist….to divide people….oldest trick in the book.
@@ChhrrisH2496 Am Indian and i don't consider myself as Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo - European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
I think Indians are considered asians because yes of course they're in the continent of asia. But also India has influenced asian culture directly or indirectly with the spread of buddhism and politically. Like we consider countries like myanmar, thailand, malaysia and indonesia as asians. However, they were more heavily influenced by india as much as they were by china. I don't know why this is even a question or debate and I dont think we should keep seperating ourselves
I think the fact asia is such a big land mass, it would be wrong to classify everyone in the same category. When people refer to race in general they think like: black, white, asian, indian, south asian, native people. In terms of race/ethnicity, east asians are different culturally and in terms of appearance. There are notable differences in language, religion, social customs, and cultural practices. East Asian countries, such as China, Japan, and Korea, have languages from the Sino-Tibetan language family and are heavily influenced by Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. On the other hand, India has a diverse range of languages from the Indo-Aryan and Dravidian language families, and its predominant religions are Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Cuisine, traditional clothing, festivals, and architectural styles also differ between East Asian and Indian cultures. These variations reflect the unique histories, geographies, and cultural influences of each region. While there may be some cultural exchange and influences between East Asia and India throughout history, it is important to recognize and appreciate the distinctiveness of each culture.
@@AspiringSunyou dumbo buddhism originated in india not nepal. Buddha took enlightenment under bodhi tree in bodhgaya present day india. Infact buddhism itself have so much of influence from hinduism and so does nepal. Nepal and india share the same history.
@@AspiringSunBuddhism originated in Bihar, India. There was no Nepal at the time of Buddha, there was Magadha, a Hindu state and Siddharth Gautam was born in a Hindu society and Taught his teachings to them in Indian languages Pali and sanskrit. 300 years after his death, Indian emperors and monks spread Buddhism throughout Asia.
Correct. In census form, we don't see "Americans" we see "u.s citizen." American is a geographic term not a nationality. Nationality would be u.s. citizen. Americans = u.s. citizen, Canadians, Mexicans, and South Americans. Hawaiians are not Americans but can be u.s citizens because they're part of united states.
If we're being totally honest the word "Asian", as used by most people, is just the more PC version of the earlier ethnographic term "mongoloid". People just can't bring themselves to say it because of its assumed association with Down syndrome.
Question: Why do you consider Chinese as Asian ? They're extremely different from the rest of Asia. Especially with the complete absence of freedom to speak out against their government. Even middle eastern countries ruled by monarchs don't have the level of fear of Big Brother watching them as the Chinese do. Their rulers know they're despots and don't expect their people to be hyper obedient, but for some reason the Chinese rulers do, it's like they want to control their people's minds
Because China was the major civilizational power of Asia for almost all of recorded human history. This was also why western encroachment into Asia only gained real traction after the english crippled the Qing Dynasty using opium (drugs/narcotics - it is also why China has one strictest/severest penalty for any idiot stupid enough to peddle narcotics within/into China). Western imperialists had previously attempted and failed to encroach into Asia (barring South Asia whose hegemon had been brought to its knees by the English) during the Great Ming Dynasty (which the largest AND most powerful navy + army in the world) and were instead crushed and brought to their knees (AKA kowtoo). The west did not gain a technological edge until the policies of the QING Dynasty (Dynasty after Ming). India in its own right was also a civilizational state (however its influence was predominantly limited to South Asia).
It's like the same sort of labels LGBTQ+ describes themselves with. I've been taught only about ethnicities and nationalities at school and didn't think anything of it. In the US however, everyone's different and try to stay away from each other so that issue is more important. I'm not going to stop referring myself as Asian simply because another country labels it differently. "Asian" is a geographical term and it should stay that way.
Keep away from us real Asian.Only people from Nagaland are entitled call themselves Asians. Be with your brothers Pakistani, Bangladeshi,Sri Lankans or Arabs,Persians, North African or Caucasians.Indians have nothings to do with Asians genetically, culturally, mentally. Call yourself Middle Eastern it is more correct.
problem is that most outsiders, americans europeans or other africans too ig think asia means korean, chinese and japanese people. i remember one time someone asked me what race i am, i replied i'm asian, they said stop joking u don't lool asian. like bro wtf, like i'm supposed to look and fit the so called "asian look" stereotype? what even is this. they even said, you have big eyes instead of small cat eyes, u have a big nose instead of a small high bridge nose, your skin tone isn't white/pale it's brown/black, your hair is a wavy and curly at some points not straight, u don't have light pink lips u have dark big lips, you aren't slim and curvy at all. i was shocked really
That's good, something asian should learn. I only had girls asking me out and most of the time I wasn't interested to them since they were mostly white girls and I prefer asian girls. It's better to approach the ppl you're interested instead pf waiting for them to approach you.
I am Indian American and I do classify myself as a South Asian. Obviosuly, I also classify myself as an Indian, but people have to understamd that Asia has so many countrirs with different cultures and ethnic makeup. Not only this, but India itself is so diverse. A North, West, South, and Northeast Indian will look different from each other, but they are all Indians. So saying that Indians aren't classified as Asians just because they don't "look" like East or Southeast Asians is kind of a weird concept. But of course, there is racism everywhere. Often times, Indians with darker skin will get made fun of by North Indians and Northeast Indians will get made fun of as well because they "look" like they are from another part of Asia. It's all very messed up but being colorist or racist with in one's own country towards one's own prople is very common. In conclusion, yes, Indians are Asian (just more specifically, South Asian).
Tysmm I was caught in between like where do I belong. People always debating with me whether I’m half Asian or Indian or just Asian and finally someone explains it clearly😭😭
The conventional image of Asian is based on racism by white people that people with short eyes are only asians.. It's same as saying europeans are all white human race.. It's time we stop this racism.
Pretty good video. As an Indian American (first generation or should I say Gen-0 as in Naturalized Citizen, not born?),I found myself agreeing with a lot of what you said. Disagree with one part though: you showed clips of slums and extreme poverty to make your case for Indian grit. I can almost guarantee you that someone from that type of extreme background would be highly unlikely to make it to the US, they'd just be struggling to make ends meet. India has a very large middle and upper-middle class and it is the highly educated and smart folks from that section of society who aspire to come to the US. India has an ultra rich class of millionaires and billionaires (in US dollar terms) but there really is nothing that the US can offer them that they cannot avail themselves back home so they prefer to enjoy their lives there.
India is quintessentially asia has cultural links with all of asia . Indosphere with SE asia ,buddhism with east asia and islamic cultural links with west and central asia and indian is a nationality,not a race and people look like all sorts in india
They are Asian due to where India is located, however how Asian their genetics are depends on what kind of Indian we are talking about. North Indians and people in Pakistan have a strong influence of Andronovo (Ancient European) genetics, basically all of those who have blue, green, gray and other light eye colors have many ancestors from the Corded Ware in Europe.
No one here is interested, but people from certain areas of the world are. I find their fixation on race sickening. People from these areas obsessing over race and certain groups with extreme victim-mentality and aggression made me squarely support my country remaining monoracial. These same people with hyperfixation on race and hyper victim-mentality, they keep calling us "racists" with extreme aggression yet at the same time they want to come into my country. Jesus christ, no thanks.
by he way keep in mind many Burmese are actually ethnically indian. They are not all sino-tibetan or chinese like many people think. However, alot of Asians still would not consider Burmese ( ethnically indian) Asians. I assume because they dont want to mix or associate with them and fail to accept that Asia is a huge diverse continent!
northeast, Indian people they speak sino tibeto burman languages... In burma Indian ethnic... Like naga, mizo, kuki, meitee people they speak sino tibeto burman languages... We are originated from China, Thailand.❤
@@YangAoNaga I understand, but during the british rule, burma was apart of india and many bengalis and other ethnic group indians migrated and settled in Burma. I believe Burma might actually be older or around same age as Thailand. Yes Burmese also originated from China. However, Burma was also invaded by different ethnic groups like india. Even though Burma is not as diverse or vast like India. However, in Modern day, China wants to claim and own Burma for natural resources. Also Burmese could also be mixed indian and chinese ethnically.
These are all reasonable points. Even using the term "Asian" to refer to both E and SE Asians seems a little broad and ignores lot of cultural differences. For instance, I'm not sure traits such as self-doubt, approach anxiety or keeping one's head down are particularly common amongst Cambodians, Filipinos, Malays, etc.
I don't get why this is such a controversial topic tbh. If it weren't for India, East Asian culture wouldn't be what it is today and vice versa. Just because we have different skin colours and eye shapes doesn't mean we are not Asian. Instead of seeing Asians as only those with monolids, look at the culture like food, religion, societal norms, family values and beauty standards. If nothing else listen to what my mother, who is oblivious to this conflict had to say when I showed her a k-drama for the first time 'Wow these people are just like us.' Where I live (UK) when someone says Asian it most definitely includes India. The option for ethnicity in forms is always 'Asian Indian' All my east asian friends and I relate to quirky aspects of growing up asian. Ask any east asian outside east asia and they will most certainly agree India is Asian. Sadly East Asia is so homogeneous in culture that they are never exposed to another culture and hence have no idea of the sinilarities. Also 4:18 is absolutely untrue. I'm Indian and Indian culture isn't one where you can openly talk like that and act alpha, atleast not South Indian culture. It's really sad that the only criteria we have set for being Asian is *having monolids.*
I'm Paki(so I'm of Indian descent), never considered myself Asian and I thought it was weird too. One of the biggest differences I've seen between the 2 despite alot of cultural intersectionality, is that Indians always came across as much friendlier versus Asians who came across as cold or distant.
East Asians are cold? Maybe Koreans and Chinese .. phillipinoes and Thailand people are very warm and welcoming .. also south Asian is still Asian .. no matter how you feel 😉
@@SexyBeautifulBabePhilippines and Thailand aren't East Asians they're South East Asians. South East Asians are usually more humble and welcoming when compared to East Asians. Indians are NOT Asians.
Why do East Asian Americans think they can decide who is Asian and who is not Asian? Is identity politics that important to you? Also, it's so funny seeing East Asians Americans not understanding Ronnie's skit. Ronnie is from Malaysia, a country whose people are of Malay, Chinese, Indian and Orang Asli descent. Malaysia is described as "truly Asia" because it's viewed as a miniature Asia. Ronnie was making fun of the difference in how Asian is viewed in the US and in the UK. Also, what do you even mean by "Asian"? Are you aware that most Southeast Asian cultures are part of the Indosphere (Indian Cultural Sphere)?
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians discriminate against Mainland Indians and against their own people: Meitei have been r**ing and m**dering Kuki-Chin for almost a year now. Don't give me this story please.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians discriminate against mainland Indians and they discriminate against their own: Meitei against Kuki-Chin. Thank you, next.
Yooo wassup chang, i just found ur channel! I really love it because of the fact that when no one else does, you tell the world about asian hate and making me feel proud about being asian! I am originally born in China, Beijing and i moved to England for a better life when i was young, I have experienced so much hate since. Eg:stop eating bats and get out my country. Your race are virus makers and thats to name a few. Im only 14 and ive gone through multiple racial physical violence when covid arose. I watched a few of your videos and i agree, asian hate NEEDS to be talked about more. people just think its a joke these days
Glad you found my channel and appreciate the kind words man! Asian hate has definitely gotten a lot worse in the US since COVID, all the more important to surround yourself with a solid friend group that helps you feel proud of your culture / background
@@ChangNation Chang, if you don't mind do you think you can make a video about this subject? Maybe you can verify and do research a lil on the source and stuff but I think I'm correct about this topic: btw the term we're looking for is phenotype. Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian. Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist. The argument of UK using asian to define south asian and not east and south east just proves the point further of the usage of asian as phenotype rather than refering to the whole continent of asia. Personally, not 100% sure: Personally I've never heard of an arab being refered as asian, nor indian if I'm quite honest but that's just my personal experience. I think some indians are trying to argue about it and change things in order to reap off the benefit of the rise of east asian media. Like where were they during yellow peril, where were they during chinese exclusion act, where were they during asian male demasculinization, indian girls don't get oversexualised in US...
The thing is that with that huge population and genetics Indians have grown their own identity....like it's difficult to differentiate between korean Japanese and Chinese people but most of the time apart from NE indians you can easily guess this is an Indian guy
There is a lot of truth and valid points in this video. I agree, culturally Mongoloid asians and Indians have similarities and differences. Indians arent Asian meaning, Indians are not mongoloid asian and thus differ culturally in that aspect. But Indians are asians as in India is in Asia
I'm British-Indian and my girlfriend is British-Chinese. I think historically speaking, there are many similarities, linguistic significance (Sanskrit), and cultural relations where the word "Asian" does make sense and is valid. Our traditional values are very similar as well because of this; I do not feel lost embracing Chinese culture at all, and I'll go as far as saying that it's helped me understand Indian culture too. There are ethnic groups in both countries who understand this too (Naga ethnic group, Uyghurs, etc). At the same time, South Asia and East Asia have their own thing going on and are indeed different worlds, definitely politically, and economically. Would the word "Asian" make more sense if India and China truly had similar political goals and engaged with each other more since they both influenced Asia a lot? Perhaps. But the world is always a changing place and it's not hard to reach out to people as it was before regardless if we're talking East or West, I can say that much =).
@@owen3721part of SE Asia is closer to South Asia in terms of cultural influence (Cambodia, Indonesia, etc) Philippines also has cultural influence from us back in ancient times, Vietnam tho is more closer to east Asia in terms of history and stuff
Ronny is from Malaysia. He was poking fun at the way people in the US see Asians as only East Asians while people in the UK see Asians as only South Asians. Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country made up of different Asian groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians, Orang Asli. It's described as "truly Asia" as a result of this mix.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh I am not Indians, so I am not sure, but arent pretty much all Indians discriminated in within India? It sucks though, I wish there was no such thing as racism or discrimination.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians are racist to mainland Indians too. I'm not even Indian and yet I know that that entire country is racist towards each other and then love to play the victim.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Malaysians belong to 4 main ethnic groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians and Orang Asli. There are other minority groups too but these are the 4 main ones.
One thing I totally agree with is - it is a lot easier to find an Asian Girl - White Guy couple, than an Indian Girl - White-Guy one. Generally, when an Asian girl dates a white guy, in the girl's family it is considered a step-up, while if the same happens in India, it is considered a step-down by the family and the society at large. There's another aspect of self-hating within the Asian community - most have a Christian name to be seen as one among the whites. Indians don't do that. I am sure you most likely have a Chinese first name, but still use "Ronny". Why?
@@franksanz1044 I am well aware of people who have a strong desire to keep saying that. They also deliberately lump the oppressed version of East Asians (Americans) with the original version of East Asians kinda to promote that narrative. They actively lie about how people of my country think, feel, and live as well. Quite constantly. I see what they're doing. It's pretty hilarious and ugly how desperate they are. Including you. lmao. You so wish we thought that way. Why do you have the necessity? lmao.
When a Korean woman marries a white guy, it is not particularly considered a "step up" in Korea. You are completely wrong about that, and it looks pretty pathetic how ignorant you are. I see a certain narrative pattern like this from Indians. They think they are being convincing and anonymous enough, but they don't seem to have the intelligence to know how transparent their intent is, especially considering other things that you're claiming at the same time. It just 'shows' what you're trying to achieve.
I'm an Indian American that grew up in the USA. I have NEVER publicly called myself "Asian" and really don't think of myself as "Asian", BUT I have many times checked off Asian on those demographic forms, because there was no "East Indian" or "Desi" selection. So sometimes I check off Asian on those circle forms, but sometimes I just pick "Other" since we don't have a category. I think the only people that call Indians "Asian" are people in England, even people in India don't call themselves Asian. It's Indian first, and yeah maybe Asian second if that's the only category to check off, but if Other is there we'll just go use that too.
@@ChhrrisH2496 Mainland Indians are not Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo- European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
Not really. Because although they are Asian race, these 3 have some differences in facial structure. Japanese have a small Jomon ancestry (related to European/Native American). And that's what makes them unique in a way. And China has lots of ethnicities, like Han, Tibetan and Uyghurs, etc.
India is asian. North east Indians are mongloid. They were not part of India but became part of India in the 70s. India is a nationality not a race. There are different people in India not just Aryans.
And the rwandan tutsis resemble the indians rwandan tutsis look like the indians have big noses and dark brown skin so rwandan tutsis can pass as indians. and those northeasterners are not indians they are tibetans of indian ancestry and southeast asians
@@UBoy17if their skin and nose is not indian how they gonna pass as indians whereas people he is talking about have nothing to distinguish from other Asians stupid
Asian isnt a racial term. Its a geogrpahic term. India is in asia and theh have a huge huge influence on asian culture in ancient time and religious as well. They are asians. Prior to the 1900s, middle east was called west asia before the term middle east existed. There are even white caucasian chinese ethnicity who have lived in china for hundreds of years. The best example i can give is, american is a nationality not a race. An outsider will think americans are supposed to be white. Real americans know that usa is a nation of many races. As a matter if fact, even whites aren't the real americans. Just like how the 1st settler of asia were actually melenesian, papuans, and australian aboriginals who were part of early africa migration. The oriental genes arrived later and mixed with them or filtered then out. So yes, indians are asians. Asian is a geographic term. Hell, there are more white people being born in south africa now and they arent the same as black sub sahara africa but they are south africans. Africa is a huge continent and lybia, syrians and egyptians are africans still but not the same race as congo, nigerian, and zimbabwe. Just like asia. Its a continent with many people who had a cultural impact on that continent and theyre call asians.
Geographical india is a sub continent and merged with eurasian plate. instead of calling it indian subcontinent, western think tanks , who.mostly are anti india, started using the term south asia. Also most indians are indo european people.
The word Asian was used by Greeks to call city's that were established in Turkey and then Persian Empire conquered those Cities that were call Asian by greeks they start calling Iranian Asian and then Alexander conquered half of the middle East and Westen India modern day Pakistan they means Greeks and European start calling everyone who live in east of Europe as Asian
I am from India and I don’t want to be called Asian and there are many Indians like this .. Arabs also don’t want to be called as Asians they prefer being called ME or Arab only
Your uneducated then. Indians are asians its basic geography. Asian isn't a race nethier is indian. You probably know northeast indians for example right? Do they have arab ancestry as you claimed? Indians are diverse they have 50+ ethic groups you as an indian should be smart enough to know this
It is dumb to exclude Indians or South Asians from Asians. South Asians look different from East and Southeast Asians because they are Indo-Aryan and Dravidian. East and Southeast Asians meanwhile are Mongoloids.
If Indians/South Asians are included as part of the Asian category, it might be even better to also include Central Asians and West Asians as well, just for the sake of consistency. Other Asians too as above face lots of systematic and institutional racism in European-based countries with or without a white Euro-descended majority in Europe and New-World settler colonies of Americas and Oceania, so their past and present lived experiences of racial discrimination need to be heard as they are painful too and can be different in some situations to the East/South-East Asian experience. East Asians should stop hogging the 'Asian' term for themselves as this race-based ideology by their egoistic diaspora has been destroying the social cohesion of European and Asian societies for +300 years as some East Asians are the lightest-skinned people of colour that were once considered 'white' by Europeans, so East Asians have this type of racial superiority that is parallel to the European's Orientalist tropes of white supremacy (look at beauty standards of China, Japan and South Korea). Immigrants from West Asia/Middle East were classified as an Asian/'Asiatic' race (ie, non-white like their East Asian brethren) when arriving in the USA, Canada, Australia, and even Latin America despite having Caucasoid features (West Eurasian lineage, genetically closely related to South Europeans like Armenians and Turks for example, some even have African admixture from East Africans like Arabs in Syria and Oman, especially in the Southern parts of the Arabian Peninsula, and often fall on the North-South cline with a diverse range of skin colours and slight phenotypical variations) as they too have origins in Asia, but due to the whacky racial politics of the white-majority Euro-Western World, ethnicities originated from West Asia are regarded as Middle Eastern, to divorce them from the Asian continent (by serving white Europe's agenda of divide and conquer by keeping countries of Asia divided like West Asians being forced to use the questionable Middle East term by the British and French imperialists) despite being one of the most critical parts of Asia's history and cultural heritage for the last 5000 years. South Asia [1], Central Asia [2], West Asia [3] and South-East Asia [4] are generally diverse culturally, linguistically, ethnically and/or racially, and East Asia [5] is generally homogeneous (excluding minorities of China like the Tibetans and Uyghurs). The Asian continent [6] has lots of nuances within the same country and between borders of nation-states, which tend to be highly misunderstood by many Europeans and East Asians, with some South-East Asians, Africans (black Africans under British colonial rule of white European colonisers in East Africa and Southern Africa associate the term Asian with South Asians from India as seen in South Africa, Tanzania and Kenya.) and West Asians/Arabs (Asian in the eyes of Arabs in the Persian Gulf are associated with South Asians from India and Pakistan) falsely perceiving it as exclusively East Asian (sometimes South-East Asians are lumped too with East Asians) in phenotypical appearance, culture, cuisine and architecture just like the deluded belief that Africa is a single country of one single ethnicity despite Africa [7] being the most diverse continent in the world in terms of genetics, phenotypical appearance (are perceived as monoracially 'black' by European/Western societies, but have various head structures and skin colours), ethnicity, culture, language and history. In contrast, Europe [8] is a homogeneous region in a similar vein to East Asia and South Caucasus countries where the nation-state ideology of a particular country matches nationality with ethnicity, race, language, culture and religion, as an inherently homogeneous that is highly exclusionary and prone to racist stereotyping that simply wouldn't be a viable reality outside of those two regions. [1] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia [2] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia [3] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia [4] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia [5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia [6] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia [7] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa [8] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
@@michaeleverett1479 well there's already something wrong in what you're saying. East asians didn't steal the word asian since the word "asian" came from and was defined by the western world. People had no issues with the fact it refers mostly towards east asians until kpop and anime made east asian seen as "cool". Before that, the word asian only had negative conotations that came along. It feels like some wants to be included in the word asian to associate with the rise of popularity, fethishization with the word "asian" that ppl refers mostly to east asians. India and south asia is not commonly thought as asian ppl and that's why there's debates around it. Russian ppl despite being on the continent of asia don't refer themselves as asian since they are different culture and phenotype. I have an indian friend who often find east asian attractive and said "east asians are racist and evil despite being good looking" because he think we stole the word asian. Then what about the word american? He finds nothing wrong with it. But the word american refers only to ppl living in the US so basically the purpose of being include in the word asian is not for education (he also said bunch of other even more racist non sense that I debunk and got him flabbergasted). By mentionning that everyone is different doesn't prove east asians are responsible for the word asian being refered to them as it was already ingrained as common sense among american population. The word "asian" didn't came from east asia. People ofc use the word asian to refer to east/south east asia phenotype not tectonic plates. Btw british ppl have different meaning to the word asian being refered to mostly south asian, but why is there no east asian complaining saying south asian stole the word asian? Well most of internet, media and ppl think the word is refering east asians already just like how the word american refers only to US citizen and there's nothing wrong with it since it's common sense that we all make reference to phenotype rather than tectonic plates.
@@Budywieser So embarrassing. Ronny is from Malaysia. He was poking fun at the way people in the Us see Asians as only East Asians while people in the UK see Asians as only South Asians. Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country made up of different Asian groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians, Orang Asli. It's described as "truly Asia" as a result of this mix and you somehow think Ronny really thinks Indians aren't Asians?
I’m a srilankan but I think people should call Indians Asians cause if you don’t small countries like mine won’t even have an identity and calling us all Asian is more suitable than calling us Indians cause we’re basically not Indians
Sri Lankans are Asians. There is no way people are going to tell me I'm not Asian when 1. Sri Lanka is culturally similar to other South Asian and Southeast Asian countries, 2. there are Sri Lankans with full or partial Southeast Asian (Malay) ancestry, like myself and 3. I mostly have East Eurasian ancestry
Update: btw the term we're looking for is phenotype. Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian. Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist. ------------------------------------------------ Well I believe the fact that when most people refer to "Asian" they refer to east asians, there was historical context why westerners refered east asians as asians probably part of it is from negative propagandas. At the time, no indian or south asian outside of east and south east asia wanted to be refered to as "asian" due to the negative stereotypes it wasn't considered cool being asian. Over time the stereotypes changed to as effeminated and nerdy in modern days, but recently things such as kpop, kdrama, anime made asian being seen as cool and now everyone wants to be refered to as asian. But I also believe it's due to fascination, objectification and oversexualisation of asians that encourage other people to try to include themselves as "asian" as an attempt to get an east asian partner. Everyone had no issue calling east asians as "asian" but it's really until recently we heard lot of south asian complaining about it. One of them is my indian friend who told me that he thinks "east asians are racist and evil despite being good looking" because he thinks east asians excluded indian and other south asians from being refered to as "asian" even though the word came and was defined by the western world. When I ask him then what about the word American? He says he has no problem, but then I explain him that the word american refers to only the people living in the US while America is 2 continents (North and South America). So if there's no problem with the word American, why should there be one with the word Asian? And I have to precise the fact that we are both born in Canada and pretty much all canadians don't consider themselves american and no one has a problem with it. But in terms of look, I do agree that indians don't look anything like east asians and not only by skin color, but mainly by facial features. If you make indian lighter skin, they still are not gonna look east asian and there's no problem with that. Anyone can be good looking in their own way. But it's true that modern society is promoting only certain type of beauty that mostly exclude dark skin people but time changes, I think we should strive to like who we are and I know there's many good looking brown people, I have a muslim group of friend and there are some that are good looking and some that are bad looking, it's like that with every ethnicity, being asian doesn't automatically make you attractive. But the fact that society does that to darker skin is a big issue since it brings self hatred. I talk with some indian guy that were ashame of being indian. I met an indian guy on discord that told me "Yes thonk about it us indians get shitted on every race thats why if we call ourselves asian it can give us some status while bringing other asian status down 🙂" (btw if you don't believe me, the server name is Asian Identity Social Club and his user is Ace.#9058, since I know there's so much fake news on internet these days)(tbh I find it sad he had that self hatred, but don't get me wrong, east asian also have self hatred just like the video stated) while we were talking wether indians are asian or not. My conclusion was the same, indians are asian geographically, but not same as east/south east asians in terms of ethnicity as it would be the same as calling white slavic russians asians, and I find it wrong classifying asia as a whole in 1 category. So we can either keep thing as it is, while it's affecting literally no one, or we'll have to being precise which part of asia every time. Basically in terms of like "race"(but I mostly use ethnicity instead of race) to me there's: black(black african), white(caucasian), desi(south asians), asian(east,south east asian features) and arabic(middle eastern asians) people and each can have their distinctive features depending on countries as well. I think indians have their own distinctive features that is different from others and many of them are good looking too in their own way. If you think you look bad, I suggest: do efforts to improve things such as sleep habit, watch what you consume, get some basic skin care such as cleanser and moisturizer(I don't like skin whitening trend in asia or plastic surgery), your mindset as well as things that affects it (it defines who you are/level of confidence and facial expression), and go to gym or do physical activities. You have no right to complain about your genetics if you didn't bring it to it's max potential
Yup south asians are way diferent from asians and i dont think you should called them indians cause if you called them indians then whatt heppend to sri lankans everyone think sri lanka is a part of india but its not so its better you called them south asians
But asian is not a race.Its means the people of Asia Continent. Its the US that reduced regional attribute into racial one. Like Indian is also not a race technically. Its a nationality
Saying Indians are not Asians due to different culture is like saying Nigerians are not Africans because their culture is different from Egyptian culture.
The main reason is phenotype, not culture. But everyone are different in culture. Saying indian are asian because they influenced south east asia would imply that everyone are asian since catholic religion influenced east and south east asia too.
The only valid thing that would make indian asian is geography, that also applies for russians, arabs, jews and others on the continent.
It also applies for Europeans who are also technically asian too since Europe and Asia are on the same continent.
Most english speaking countries refers asian as the phenotype of east and south east asia in common linguistic usage.
Basically it never was about continent. The term Asia is used as continent while the term Asian is used as phenotype reference.
It's similar with the word American refering only to US citizens, yet no one is complaining about it. Why? Probably due to the influence of kpop and other east asian media
@@KFC431 If phenotype and what the people look like is what determines continents, then North Africa is not part of Africa. The only thing that is relevant when determining if someone is Asian or not is geography. Not culture, not religion, not phenotype. There is no “Asian culture” because there are many different cultures in Asia.
@@blueerosion That's where the missconception stems from. People usually use the word asian not as a continent or what determines continent in the first place.
(Update: I realised something. The geographical usage of "asian" is both incoherent and eurocentric. Even Europe can be classified as a region in Asia as it sits on the same tectonic plate as both EA and SEA and is largely connected by land. There's no objective reasoning as to why Europe isn't part of Asia, only the fact it's eurocentric. And it's incoherent as there's nothing that Middle East, South Asia, Central Asia, East and South East Asia that all have in common that significantly distinguish them from the rest.)
In common linguistic usage in most english speaking countries, asian is used to refer to the phenotype of east and south east asian phenotype, not the whole continent in the first place.
If you think about it, it's like how most people use the word american to refer only to the US, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're denying the existance of other countries in both north and south america. The word American and Americas are different while the word Asian and Asia is also differently used.
The reason why people usually don't refer to the continent as a whole is due to the fact that you can simply replace the word "asian" with "human", because like we both agree on, there's no such thing as an asian culture/religion since there's all kind of them. Instead the concept of phenotype is being applied here.
For instance, middle easterners are often refered as arab phenotype, while south asians are refered as brown/desi while east and south east are refered as asian, you could argue why not used the term "mongoloid", well the term originated as a degratory word towards people who possess east and south east asians facial features to denigrate them. It would be the same reason why we wouldn't use the word "negro1d" in common linguistic usage. While the term caucasian didn't really stem from such degradation due to the origins and biases of people who invented such words.
@@blueerosion I don't think it necessarily stems from racism. But the reason why people would say that certain people aren't asian is due to the fact that countries also have their own definition of who's asian and some even have different geography.
For instance, if I go to the UK, people would say that I'm not asian and would refer me to a oriental. So you can kind of see that there are nuances.
Internet and TV shows often refers to asian as to east and south east asians phenotype which also contributed to this. But personally I don't see where's the issue since I wouldn't mind if people start refering asian to only south asians and east/south east asian phenotype as orientals or another word. Or simply people just abandon the usage of the term asian since it wouldn't represent any specific identity due to the continent being so vast with different cultures on it, everyone knows that, it's just the usage that varies. It's kind of like how the word american is being used, despite mexicans, canadians, other south american countries in america exist, people only refer american as to US citizens.
@@KFC431 First of all, I never pulled the racism card, so don’t bring that up here. Second of all, I never said the reason most westerners don’t consider Indians Asian is because of phenotype. That is true, but that does not make it correct. Asia is a geographical term so people from that geographic area are Asian, end of story.
Ok, LORD BUDDHA is not ASIAN ❌
true. they are dharmic. and as with all dharmic traditions, they initiated in india
India is a country within the continent of Asia. East Asians don't have monopoly over an entire continent. Just because East Asians don't want to use the word East in front of their identity doesn't mean the Asian identity of others dissapear.
Asia just means Non-Europe, which is similar to simply saying Eurasian land mass or, if I stretch a bit, simply saying Earth. Actual East Asians never asked to be called by the term Asian, or even East Asian for that matter. We tend to call ourselves by 'Korean', 'Chinese', 'Japanese'. By the way, Indians used to be not so keen on being called "Asians" until it became cooler to be associated with places like Korea and Japan. If you're talking about geographical location, India is in Asia alright but in terms of identity, Indians claiming it now as a self-identity sounds kind of disingenuous. Indians keep showing desires to slander East Asians, yet at the same time, wish to be associated with us (which is the reason why you suddenly want to be called "Asians") which is pretty very self-contradictory. If Indians didn't have the self-hate, you would just wish to be called "Indians", like how Koreans and Japanese just want to be called "Koreans" and "Japanese". But they keep insisting on being called "Asians", and especially starting from recent point in time. Where is that motivation coming from? It is not natural and it is self-contradictory. I don't appreciate it when people who are so keen on putting us down also want be associated with us when they feel convenient.
@@lifeasanexperiment India does have historical cultural relations with SE and parts of east, But we see ourselves as Indians first and foremost. Also, "Asian" is not a racial identity and it never was. Its a continental identity. Just because most of the western media associates the term with E and SE doesn't actually make it a racial identity. Half of central asia, the "stan" counties also look like you, millions of eastern and NE indians, nepalies, bhutanies also look like you. But that doesn't mean only only some of us are asians and others aren't lol🤣🤣🤣 You are racially mongoloid not "asian". And even gulf arabians and persians are asians as a matter of fact.
@@nidhisawant4313 Actually you're the only ones who mention about race stuff. Asian never was related with race. That's what indians don't understand. The term asian is associated mostly with phenotype in most english speaking country, it is normally not associated with continental identity in common linguistic usage. There's not really a continental identity associated with asia since you'll find all humans in asia, russians, jews, arabs, south asians, and east + south east asian phenotype.
And the cultural relations with SE thing, that would make everyone on earth asian since everyone influenced each other, christianity also influenced east and south east asia, that would make most countries asians. Just because I influence you, doesn't mean I have to be you. Just because you influenced me, doesn't make me the same as you, nor you the same as me. India is clearly different from south east asia, they had their own distinct history and culture.
To me it's so dumb talking about influence because I see everyone commenting all the time that "ohhh our culture is so similar, I also get punished by my parents this or that way" -says almost every culture ranging from south america to arabs to south asians. Like... you can find similarities and influence everywhere but indians are one of the only that use it to associate with south east asian to call themselves asian because they think people are being racist for not including them within the term "asian" when they clearly refer to the term asian phenotypically, not geographically.
If half of central asia or other people look phenotypically east/south east asian, then they are phenotypically asian as well as geographically, nothing wrong with them looking like east/south east asians. In casual conversation they would also be refered as asian phenotypically.
@@lifeasanexperiment I highly agree with that, I notice this happening VERY recently. Before that, east/south east asian phenotype were seen as bad and people didn't want to associate themselves with the term asian. There were also lot of propagandas against asians due to wars, you can check out the propagandas of the chinese exclusion act. Then more recently due to kpop and anime, people want to associate themselves with the term asian since it's seen as cool and exotic.
You know the guy when he mention about ppl looking like us? Look at india itself. India used to discriminate against north east indians for looking east asian due to being mixed with chinese. They were discriminated against and being called "chinese" but in a degratory way. Now more recently, they are praised and being called "ohh we have our beautiful north east indians" or "we have our own jimins". And I'm like 😐
Obviously the most common usage of the word asian is phenotype of east and south east asia except for the UK which referes to it EXCLUSIVELY to south asian/brown/desi.
India is a country in south asia which is within the continent of asia. The term asian is often used to refer to east and south east asian phenotype, east asians didn't chose to be refered as asian or east asian. Just because indian don't want to use the word South in front of their identity or simply refering themselves as desi(ACTUALLY THEIR OWN LANGUAGE) doesn't mean the Asian identity of others dissapear also it doesn't make others who use the word asian phenotypically racist or uneducated, it's basically just indians who blame east asians to then find out that east asians are not at fault then blame others for being "racist and uneducated" just to then find out it's indians who didn't understood it was about phenotype rather than geography
Another Perspective, in the UK Brits use Asian to refer to Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis'/Nepalis/Afghans, Maldivians and Sri Lankans. while Chinese refers to Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese etc.
Agreed. Here in NZ I think the perspective is basically the same. Even though we are geographically far apart from the UK. To me India is big enough to be virtually a continent in itself. Terms like East Asian or South Asian are completely meaningless to me. If you were visiting NZ and got attacked by somebody from the Indian sub-continent and you told the police you were attacked by an Asian the cops would start looking for some martial arts guy from China, Japan etc. Don't make that mistake.....
@@cathybrind2381 It's meaningless to you but not to actual Asians. East Asian and South Asian tell the difference between us. The problem is cause y'all made "Asian" a race when no Asian person in Asia considers Asian a race. Only East Asian Americans and non-Asian Americans think that.
@@cathybrind2381agreed. could be the fact that the UK invaded and drew the borders of india, and so there's that strong connection to it. new zealand of course also has connections to UK historically. ❤
@@cathybrind2381in Britain if you are from a country in the continent Asia you are referred to as Asian
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x thank you they love confusing people who don’t understand they are both Asians 🤣🤣
"Get to America from india or Asia" bro WTF is india or asia.. india country is an part of asia so do not say"india and Asia separated it's ok to say Indian guy and Asian guy separately but do not separate india as a country from asia continent
Why all south asians have to be indian to them, but all of them are "asian"? How much of Asia looks like east asians? Wth. Have all of them call themselves Chinese since they cant be east asian. I think , that they think, south asians want to share their culture 😂😂😂
As an Indian, India is in Asia but we like being called Indians than Asians. On the other hand Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, thai, Filipinos etc should be called 'Mongoloids' instead of Asians because Asian is big and Its not owned by a single ethnicity.
I call them Orientals bc Indians are also Asians
Exactly idk why east Asians feel the need to gatekeep the term Asian as if south Asians don't matter
I agree.
Asia has almost 50 countries, and Asia doesn't include only the east and South East asia
Gay
The reason why the word mongoloid is not used in modern days is due to it's origins as an insult to insult the east and south east asian phenotype. It's also kind of a universal insult in other languages.
Basically degraotry word. Same for the N word with "oid" at the end.
Essentially, we're all on the same continent (Europe/Asia) since Europe, Middle east, East, South East and South Asia are all on the same continent, the map is just eurocentric to separate the white people from the people of color. If you want to call it Eurasia, then logically, you should call India and Asia as IndiaAsia since India is geographically used to be it's own continent that then merged with Asia unlike Europe.
But then, should we call europeans, arabs, desi, east and south east asian as all asian? It doesn't make sense since despite literally all of us being on the same continent, we're not the same demographic.
The word asian is usually used more as a way to refer to a phenotype rather than the whole continent. And it essentially replace the word "mongoloid" for it to not be a racist insult similarly with the word (N word + "oid").
Then all this situation feels quite disingenuous because most of the world use the word asian in the phenotypical sense in order to refer to the phenotype of east/south east asian with exception for british. I also asked people all around the world (europeans, middle east, east/south east) and they use it the same way with the exception of indians calling themselves asian.
It wasn't a big deal, it's just words/common linguistic usage. But it was around the year 2017 that you'll see more people arguing that they are asian too due to the influence of east asian media that they want to be a part of.
As an Indian I agree, it doesn't make sense to just call us all Asian. Russia is in Asia, we don't call them Asian.
Russia is in both Asia and Europe
Just like turkey 😂
@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo individuals of white Slavic Russian descent are typically not considered Asians. The term "Asian" is commonly used to refer to the phenotype from East Asia and Southeast Asia. Slavic Russians are primarily of European descent and are typically classified as part of the white or Caucasian racial category.
Btw Russia is still 77% in asia!
But Yakut people living in Siberia region of Russia are definitely called Asian hell they might be mistaken with Chinese if they are in US.
@@Cheesecake99YearsAgo 75% of the Russian landmass is in Asia, not Europe.
Europe itself never was a continent. Europe also sits on the same tectonic plate as EA and SEA, which makes europeans technically more "asian" than the indian-subcontinent. It's simply a region in Asia like middle east. It's due to cognitive bias from european explorers in the past that were trying to separate Europe from the rest of the continent based on religion, culture, language and mostly phenotype.
Based on those criterias, middle east, south asia, east/south east asia should all be their own continents.
The geographical usage of the word "asian" doesn't make sense, it's inconvenient since it englobes too many type of people. That's why most english speaking countries such as Canada, US and Australia are using the phenotypical usage(appearance, refering to EA/SEA).
The reason why many people outside of EA/SEA now wants to be refered as "asian" is due to the rise of softpower from East Asia such as kpop, kdrama and other cultural exportation.
Cultural/religion shouldn't be determining factor as to who is or isn't asian. Christianity influenced EA and SEA, gunpowder from China (culture, firework) reshaped tge whole world, Europe had interactions with ancient China for more than 1000 years.
What about the word "american"? It's only refering to US citizens, should canadians, mexicans and other countries in both North and South America being refered as american?
The term asian is a geographical term not racial...🤬
It is not a geographical term
Shut up if you do not know nothing
@@tearet741 what 🤬 India is biggest Asian Nation..
Oh really what are map made of them if not geographical then northeast india look like Japan china Mangolia what are they then are they not indian
@@tearet741 what do you think Asia is? a race? no, its a continent. so it refers to a geographical area.
My whole life i have been taught that the term Asian means a person who is from a country that is situated in Asia , so technically Indians are Asians .
FALSE
Asian is a race in the US CENSUS BUREAU and medical statistics studies reports in America.
Agreed India is indeed an Asian country, but according to them India's culture is different than the other Asian countries.
@@selbi_.1092 that's just weird there are other countries with different cultures. They just take a few and call them Asian countries.
@@mayakim8757 Exactly, Asia is a huge continent with a number of countries. But only north-east asian countries are considered as Asian. These stereotypes are literally so bad.
@@selbi_.1092That’s why Americans are stereotyped as dumb.
Saying Indian isnt Asian is like saying Mexican isnt North American
@@racistlightyear4504 no, its north. do your research
@@MotionBros. mb
but who tf calls mexicans “north americans” in the first place wtf
You forgot the language aspect. In India everyboy speaks English to some degree which is not the case in the rest of Asia. I have always felt, that it makes Indians feel a lot closer to the Western world.
India and Philipine familiar with western, But western want be familiar with Thai culture. most foreigner want to learn thai.
That's a really good point - I've noticed in the US that first generation have much better English than first generation Asians (specifically East Asian)
@@ChangNationIn Australia 🦘🌏
Asians from Mainland China are more Alpha. Even Hong Kong people have different attitude.
However what your talking about is also more collectivism and community-ism where third party perspective cripples some Asians, I also believe it's usually in "those Asians" who didn't have a balanced approach to life, i.e parents saying: _"if your not a doctor or lawyer you may as well be a janitor!"_ approach.. Kids of these parents might only have video games and animae as their out let and don't engage in Team building skills to gain confidence such as basketball etc. Where Mainland Chinese do..
(I'm Not Chinese)
I also noticed there's a slight difference between the attitudes of Pakistanis And Afghanis (who are also considered Asians), higher on the social confidence & intermingling scale in comparison to some of their Indian counterparts..
It's very true, Indians will bring up other Indians in Any Organisation..
Those Asians who's parents are balanced i.e. encouraging kids to play more team sports and also Excel in studies as well as any creative endeavours have way more chilled relaxed *"Alpha"* Asians.. On Melbourne Australia there are a lot of Asian guys and white girls, 2nd gen Asian as well as 1st gen.
@alvinjohnson2253 more alpha? Meaning more rude?
@@mikejones-wn1sw Bruh you sound hurt.. If you were ever Bullied by Persians, Pakistanis and/or Afghans in the past then I'd like to say, I'm sorry for your grief..
One day you will find your inner alpha 😉
Have a nice day sir..
Indian - we have natural beauty
Asian - we only have plastic surgery
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Bro don't said that all Asian Countries like Philippines Indonesia Malaysia Myanmar Japan even China is having an India Blood, its either that's only 3% or 5% we are still having an Indian Blood, so if some Asian countries said that you're not Asian, so how he or she exist ask an Asian 😂 because Indians is the one of the oldest Asian blood bro, meaning all Asian Countries is started from the Indian Bloods. So if some Asian questioning you just questioning him too for he's existance of being an Asian 😂
Let's not be racist (im south asian too)
@@pastaandmashedpotatoes7494wth is south Asia? Do you use western Asia more or middle East? Just like that south Asia is called Indian subcontinent
Ur asian💀 and if ur talking about east Asians I've seen pretty east Asian people
But like stop being racist to ur own people
I mean, indians are Asian, but they are more closely related to Europeans than East and SE Asians
Yeah they are Asians but most of them have West Eurasian ancestry which makes them closer to Europeans. Only the tribals and Northeast Indians are closer to East and Southeast Asians as they mostly have East Eurasian ancestry.
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x we(indians) are NOT closer to Europeans period this is what happens when you only read western history not your own
@@vorrdegard2176 The genetic makeup for the majority of Indians is West Eurasian which is European/West Asian-related and found at a rate of 60-70% on average. The indigenous component of most Indians is closer to East Asians and is found at around 30-40% on average.
Indians looks similar to Arabs and Mediterranean race, because they have big eyes, big nose big height, whereas Asians are small and flat. So they look different, and also we don't have a strong smell like indians and arabs
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x That is a very European or Western perspective to seek to measure percentages, I agree with the one above, the Indians have nothing to do with Europe, they are almost like a different race, I would say that it is a very arrogant and Eurocentric vision.
One theory i thought of on why Indian people bring each other up more than Chinese people do in America is because there are so many different types of Indians with more distinct cultures so they're probably a lot more connected if they're from the same place. Meanwhile, in China they pretty much threatened to kill everyone and forced them to speak Mandarin some hundreds of years ago for uniformity, killing off a lot of dialects. China is big place but probably lost a lot of local culture. Not sure if that is the reason why but could be a factor.
Uhhhhh😂 I don’t know what u talking about, did we force ppl to speak mandarin. Crazy, do India has official language? 😂apparently India is not very united compared to China.
Did we threaten to kill everyone idk. Aren’t the Indian police pretty brutal in the street. 😂 apparently u don’t know much about Chinese ppl even tho u r Chinese decent 😂
Do Japanese force ppl to speak Japanese as well 😂
@@ericjiang7986our unity comes in diversity while chinas unity comes in uniformity. Neither is better than the other but don’t berate our country for being diverse…
This Asian vs Indian is American thing, Asians for most of the rest of the world means non-Caucasian populations who have their ancestries in Asia continent.
In Asian context, Indian is a South Asian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese is East Asians
(I don't have a mindset that Asian = East Asian in cultural context). Indian is more like national ethnic.
Indians are Caucasians silly
Perfect 🥰💞said
Just a question here, when u talk about "Asian", do u think of people like Indians or people like Chinese? Another question is that do u think Indians look more Asian than Chinese?
@@jackjackyphantom8854 No, My thought when Asian word come-up, first in my mind was non-Caucasian, non-African is closer to the description in term of "Look". Notion of ethnic hadn't emerged.
Note: when I saw actual people, Asian narrative just doesn't come up, rather the notion of ethnic come to play. (e.g. that when Chinese, Arub, Indian, Malay, Laotian, Thai come to play.
It can be simplify as "Asian" refer to 3 person, "ethnic" is like 2nd person in conversation narrative.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 Another point I'd give in similar meaning as Asian is European, if look is the context , the Caucasian would be better choice. European emerged first, then ethnic like English, Frank, Dutch, Scandinavian, Italian, Slavic came later in my mind.
Indians are Asians(South asians), Koreans, Japanese, Chinese are Asians(East Asians). We are literally on the same continent. Yes, we might be different racially but geographically we are in Asia.
Not Asian Race you are bubba.
@sonnytann look at these dumb azzes teaching about race when I literally mentioned we are not racially asian but Asians as we are on the same continent. You guys need to read more, especially geography.
@@ChhrrisH2496Asian isn’t a race idiot
@sonnytannwe are indo-aryan
@sonnytann Indo-Aryan is most of India! Dravidians are South Indians and there are only 300 million and other 1 billion are indo-Aryan! *Source:google*
I am an Indian-American who grew up in the states. Honestly, in high school most of my friends were East Asians and I considered myself to be Asian. For most part, all my friends saw me and couple of our other Indian friends as Asians. But when we went to universities, our friend group changed. As we started living on our own we started to go our separate ways. I am not sure if their point of view changed, but at an adult I started to relate more to the Indian culture and started to associate myself as an Indian-American. Interesting topic. I refer to myself as Indian and if I am with people from the same region, we typically call it the subcontinent. Rarely I call myself Asian.
Thanks for sharing - I can relate since I've found that as I grow older, I relate more to Asian culture (especially compared to American culture)
@@thesoulbrother8636no. You're delusional
@@ChhrrisH2496 Yeah I know, the truth hurts.🔥
Cheers🍸
@@thesoulbrother8636 Indian is not Asian race 🍜
@@ChhrrisH2496 I never made that claim. Try harder next time.
Cheers🍸
In the UK, when people say Asian, they usually mean Indian/Pakistani but in Canada/America it's the opposite lol. Btw I knew a Chinese guy that grew up near the border of Pakistan/China and spoke Mandarin and Urdu
Exactly what I was thinking. Of course when you look at news reports, the British media are going to talk about this more than any other country since it was their election. The BBC is going to say Asian Prime Minister but CNN and FOX is going to say Indian British Prime Minister. So of course, with the news outlets, they’re going to refer the PM as Asian more than Indian.
Do a video on whether Russians are Asian or not.
asian isn't an ethnicity. It's a geographic term. If your ancestors were from Asia and has had cultural Impact from asia, then your asian. Americans aren't all the same ethnicity but they're still called Americans. There's a difference between all terms
Geographic terms: asian, Africa, American, pacific islanders
Countries: China, India, new Zealand, Syria, nigeria
Ethnicity: anglo, Hans, Punjabi, arab/persian, nigerian/igbo, maori
Nationality: us citizen American/canadian, Syrian, New zealander/kiwi, nigerian, Indian, chinese
@myopinions3333 the east part of Russia was once asia and borders mongolia and china. It was once call, Siberia, before Russia expanded and colonized the locals. Now the area are mostly inhabited by slavs Caucasians and the natives there speak Russian. So yes you can say Russia is part of asia. Eurasia.
edp is a better person than Carolyn bryant
In the USA, Asians means Chinese only, not Indians. In the UK, Asians means means the people from the Indian subcontinents and Chinese are called Orientals. Middle Eastern are considered as white in the USA. Caucasians are considered as white in both the USA and the UK, but in Russia and Finland they are considered as Blacks.
Can't they just follow the authentic geography? 💀
I’m in Britain we call anyone from Asia Asian Pakistan, china, Korea, India. All Asian
If we call South Africa Africans why wouldn’t we refer an Asian country Asian people ?
So you follow what other orders to you
Race and nationality do not overlap each other entirely, in a time when concepts like race and nationality are intertwined this will always remain a subject of debate. One may also hear that people who are American are not Asian because they have American citizenship.
Race or better term would be lineage or genetically India has a big population that matches east Asians, but majority is Indian or south asian. Also a big population has west asian/middle East asian lineages.
I would say since ASIA ia a huge continent and has a lot more diversify in terms appearance most basic distinction as basis for race, what we call asian should be called east Asians if they want to distinguish themselves from rest of Asians. Asian as umbrella term will naturally include everyone in asia which may not overlap with one single lineage.
Exactly, West Asians (always called Middle Easterners), Central Asians and South Asians are Asians too. Asia is such a diverse continent in languages, cultures, phenotypes and etc, so it makes no sense that East Asians and South-East Asian exclusively monopolise the term 'Asian' for themselves. Some Asian countries are diverse in one and/or several metrics, like India (North-East Indians appear like East and South East Asians and tribal Indians in rest of mainland India look loosely like Ancient Ancestral South Indians, Papuans and Aboriginal Australians), Nepal (some look like typical South Asians and some look like East Asians), Myanmar, Indonesia, Russia (with Siberia/North Asia for the Indigenous East Asian looking North Asian inhabitants), Kazakhstan (other Central Asian countries too where most look more like East Asian, some are mixed between European and/or Persian and East Asian and some look more like European or Persian), even China, and others are homogeneous like Koreas, Japan and Taiwan (Indigenous peoples overwhelmed by Han Chinese settlers). Unfortunately, Europe has exported toxic Eurocentric ideologies by associating Asian with East Asian‐looking people through negative connotations in a hypersexualised manner through the race science in Sweden around 1700's, that the original geographic meaning of Asian (anything outside of Europe eastwards by the Ancient Greeks imaginary) has been corrupted as a short-hand way to describe the 'Mongoloid' race/phenotype, meaning those of East/South-East Asian ancestry and appearance. There's no doubt that East Asians and South-East Asians especially in Western/European societies are facing lots of racism as seen with the Covid-19 pandemic, and it's indeed traumatic, however the East Asian-centric worldview is not the one size fits all approach for solving ethnic/racial issues of other non-East/South-East Asians (even South-East Asians can be different from East Asians in certain circumstances as the former has more phenotypic diversity than the latter). White Europeans use the supposedly meek nerdry submissive stereotype of East Asians to drive a wedge by othering non-East Asians (ie, Brown Asians also including South-East Asians in certain circumstances) into marginalisation and invisibility, as demonstrated in the contexts of USA, Australia, NZ, Canada, many continental European countries (reversed in the UK where 'Asian' is synonymous with South Asians and East/South-East Asians are referred to as Orientals) and possibly Latin America. The Euro-American Orientalism has gotten so bad that the 'Asian' label in specialised Asian shops, restaurants and media across the Western World, Latin America and a handful of non-East/South-East Asian countries only represent East Asians like ethnic Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans and South-East Asians like ethnic Vietnamese and leaving out West, Central and South Asians which is blatantly racist and a completely inaccurate distortion of historical facts, demographics and present geopolitical realities; This phenotype stereotype of 'Asian' being especially East Asian and South-East Asian (those who appear more East Asian like some Vietnamese) or those with East Asian looks are the root cause of lethal white supremacist racism as it gives the false impression that all Asians look the same due to racist stigmas of the 'Chinese' being ugly slitty-eyed barbarians that eat stinky food. West Asia is far more genetically more diverse than East Asia for a non-African region as humans arrived to West Asia first; Each population founder effect reduces human genetic variation, and since migration to East Asia underwent several founder effects, it became one of the most genetically homogeneous regions in the world which creates the phenotypical similarity of modern East Asians (especially Koreans, Japanese and most Chinese, although some South Chinese share similarities with some South-East Asians. Also, more homogeneous than South Europeans). The boundaries of Asia and Europe are not well defined as countries like Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus region are geographically in Asia -> northernmost part of West Asia, but are considered culturally and geopolitically part of Europe, hence are classified as European in certain circumstances; although, all Asian countries outside the Caucasus region are definitely Asian. 'Asia' needs to be reclaimed from the dominant East Asian gaze and Eurocentric narratives as a neutral inclusive pan-geographic level so that this gigantic landmass can fully showcase West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia with East Asia and South-East Asia as distinct subregions with their own cultural spheres of influence (West Asia -> Lebanon and Syria with Abrahamic religions to Europe and Africa. Central Asia, the crossroads of West Asia -> Iran, South Asia -> North-West India & Pakistan, and East Asia -> Mongolia. South Asia -> India with Hinduism. East Asia -> China with Confucian ideals. South-East Asia -> Indonesia with its Austronesian languages). If Africa is more used consistently (another diverse contient similar to Asia, although North Africa is a separate entity due to cultural, historical and political ties with islamic Arab countries in South-West Asia) to describe the whole continent in geographic terms, why can't Asia be the same?
Many people inside Western/European countries and European colonial offshots can not tell the difference between nationality, ethnicity, race, skin colour, culture, language, and religion. Combine this with the general lack of understanding geography, and then it's hard to overcome the East Asian bias where East Asians as demonstrated in this video (tends to be very common among East Asian diasporas and a lesser extent among South-East Asian diasporas) keep on arrogantly abusing the 'Asian' term for their own political interests a
by playing the ideology of delusional ignorance. These socially constructed concepts can be linked, and sometimes, they can be distinctly separate concepts, as shown in the examples below. Most East/South-East Asians, North Asians and some Central Asians tend to have neotenous facial features (flatter faces which look more feminine with low levels of sexual dimorphism, mono eyelids, less prominent eyebrows and nose bridge bones, eyes sitting flush with the face, poorly defined cheekbones and jawbones which make the face more younger than it actually is) and are racially 'Mongoloid' * (East-Eurasian lineage, specifically East/South-East Asian related ancestry in this case), whereas most South Asians, West Asians and some Central Asians tend to have non-neotenous features (angular features which look more masculine with high levels of sexual dimorphism, double eyelids, more prominent eyebrows and nose bridge bones, deep set eyes, well defined cheekbones and jawbones, which tends to look more European-like and making the face more mature) and are racially 'Caucasoid' * (West-Eurasian lineage). There is nothing wrong with that as 'Asian' simply means that any Asian ethnicity that has cultural, linguistic, religious and genetic roots in any region of Asia irregardless of their skin colour and/or phenotypical appearance.
East Asia:
Ex 1,
Nationality: Chinese
Ethnicity: Chinese/Han Chinese
Language: Mandarin
Religion: Irreligious, Chinese Folk Religion
Race: Mongoloid *
Ex 2,
Nationality: Chinese
Ethnicity: Uyghur
Language: Uyghur
Race: Mongoloid or Mongoloid/Caucasoid *
South-East Asia:
Ex 1,
Nationality: Indonesian
Ethnicity: Javanese
Language: Indonesian
Religion: Sunni Islam
Race: Mongoloid *
Ex 2,
Nationality: Indonesian
Ethnicity: Papuans/Melanesians
Language: Languages of Papua
Religion: Christianity and Traditional faiths
Race: Australoid *
Central Asia:
Ex 1,
Nationality: Kazakhstani
Ethnicity: Kazakh
Language: Kazakh, Russian
Religion: Sunni Islam
Race: Mongoloid, Mongoloid/Caucasoid *
Ex 2,
Nationality: Tajikistani
Ethnicity: Tajik
Language: Tajik
Religion: Sunni Islam
Race: Caucasoid *
South Asia:
Ex 1,
Nationality: Indian
Ethnicity: Punjabi
Language: Punjabi, Hindi
Religion: Sikhism (in India)
Race: Caucasoid *
Ex 2,
Nationality: Indian
Ethnicity: Tamil
Language: Tamil
Religion: Hinduism
Race: Caucasoid *
West Asia:
Ex 1,
Nationality: Saudi Arabian
Ethnicity: Arab
Language: Arabic
Religion: Sunni Muslim
Race: Caucasoid *
Ex 2,
Nationality: Iranian
Ethnicity: Persian
Language: Persian
Religion: Shia Islam
Race: Caucasoid *
* Science proves that distinct biological races don't exist as humans are 99.9% genetically similar. Although there're distinct phenotypes for certain population clusters (but some can overlap greatly as there're variations within the same ethnicity as well), but those 'racial' * terms are controversial as they have strong roots in European colonialism and brutal enslavement of black Africans in the Americas based on white racial superiority.
@@michaeleverett1479Hats off to you for writing this long ass but informative comment😂
@@kennymepfhiio3302😂😅😆
This is what perfectly defines Asia.
I'm okay with East Asians. But an Asian term in general means everyone from the continent of Asia.
btw the term we're looking for is phenotype.
Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian.
Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
Have you never seen northeast indians lol
This is so true lol. People who say Indians are not Asian clearly don't know anything about the diversity in it.
@@5h1.r0they are but you're not
@@Tarozhou What ?
@@Tarozhou Are you saying that Northeast Indians are Asian, but Indians from other regions aren't?
@@5h1.r0 yess most the ethnicity of that reason are Asian, including South Tibet but you're are not Asian you're brown race
Indians are south asian and japan,south korea,china are east asian simple
Thank you they are all Asians these Americans need to understand if your from Asia your Asian 🤣
We indian like to call us indian not asian
Is brits call Chinese Chinese people Indian Indian people still all Asian people
Self-hate is always an affect of living in the U.S . , no matter what ethnic group is here. I believe this is partially due to the fact that one is expected to not value and/or give up their identities to “fit in”.
Indians are not Asian race
That seems to be the case indeed. Americans have such distorted samples of East Asians there, then proceed to think how actual East Asians think and live based on the distorted cultural groups they see in their racially charged environment. Racial diversity makes people's minds and behaviours pretty ugly and hyperfixated on race. It is a failed social experiment. I don't want my country to become multiracial. They create racial conflicts there, and carry it over to my country as well. Like blk Americans crying victimhood to...Koreans in East Asia who never enslaved them. Demanding us to change our language. Interpreting our every small move from the racial viewpoint that they've developed in their society. It is insanity.
This is so ridiculous because since when did "asian" even become a RACIAL identity? It has always been a continetal identity. All asian countries have similarities and differences with each other and similar in ways more than what this dude mentions. He probably never even grew up in his own homeland to know the microculture and the similarities. And he has probably not seen how NE and E indians, nepalese, norther bangladeshis, bhutanese and most of central asians look like. They look exactly like this dude. This is like saying ALL of africa is black and completely ignoring S. africas and african arabian countries.
Asian had always been a race. What rock do you live under ?
@@factsondeck1552 read history about the origin of the word before you say sh!t here
Question 1 : what is india
answer: a country
question 2: in which continent is india located
i destroyed the video
India is located in Eurasia. Same place as Saudi Arabia, Germany or China. Yeah that's it.
@@Arthur-ot7idwhat its not even close to Europe😀
@@АксельВалентин"Europe" and "Asia" are cultural/political continents. By geography it's all a big continent called Eurasia. That's why your Indian languages are related to European.
Examples: Dyaus Pita = God/Sky Father ; The Buddha = budic (Slavic); Agni 🔥 = Ogien (polish) ; etc
By science, there's no European, Asian or Indian. It's divided in West Eurasian and East Eurasian. You Indians are West Eurasian + some East Eurasian. In short, you're more related to Europeans/Arabs than Chinese/Asians That's it.
I think you may not be aware of the fact that India's IIT or tertiary education that kicked of the IT boom in India in early 90s to early 2000s is a core aspect of Indian CEO's in IT companies in America. The command of reasonably well spoken English in the early 90s and cheap labour brought many American IT to establish themselves in the Indian market. The East Asian unlike the Indian markets force multinational companies to collaborate or force tie with local companies (including technology transfers) this does not exactly happen in India. In other words there are better market protections for large organizations willing to establish themselves in India without fearing xenophobia, ingrained nationalism and or forced local company tie ups. Case in point do you see Koreans driving Japanese cars or vice versa? They have stamped each other out in this respect.
Having been to China recently I see the same thing occurring there as well government policies favoring Chinese brands has meant Korean and Japanese car brands have tanked. India has well established carmakers Mahindra and Tata but despite that Indian market allows for foreign competition hence why even its adversaries i.e. China can establish themselves there as well.
I would also point out that Indian culture has permeated into East Asian thought for at least 2 millenia. Case in point Buddhism and the translation of Sanskrit texts into Chinese. Other notable similarities with South East Asia and Southern China is there art forms, performances and food spices. Tamil Nadu the Indian state above Srilanka was primarily responsible for introducing new spices to South East Asia during reign of the Cholas.
Asia is a geographical area spanning the far east all the way to the middle east so it should not be a surprise that people will look different and have uniquely different cultural practices. In UK, Europe and Australia being Asian covers those countries within those regions so I'm used to being called Asian or South Asian. Being Asian or defining Asians is a concept that I feel most Americans appear to struggle with because of the emphasise on race and having black and white definitions on discussions on race related issues.
Him: Indians don't look asian.
Me: A northeast Indian who gets discriminated just because I have those southeast asian features 😂
Note:
If you think that Indian don't look asian, come to Northeast India...
You'll see the diversity of India right here😂...
And I know that the majority of Indians don't look like those stereotypical Asian but bro, we exist too❤ do some research about NE Indians and you'll understand the similarities we have with to those stereotypical Asians. 😂
You are exceptional bub
He even didn't use right map of India and noone even noticed.
99% of indians dont look like you tho. I swear only 2 or 3% look chinese
This video is totally bogus and I'm very sorry that you have to face racism. I've several North East Indian frnds and they are super duper cool just like the people from other parts of India. I'm from West Bengal myself so I can understand why some stereotypes are related to some particular ethnic grps which turn out to be dangerous mostly. I'm very sorry that our thick headed govt doesn't pay attention to north eastern states' development as much as they care about the West. NEVER EVER feel that you ain't a part of India coz in India, this diversity is our power and beauty. And Asian is a geographic title not Ethnicity.
All Indians ARE Asians❤❤❤❤❤❤
Northeast Indians are the true inhabitants of china and south east asia. Long live naga. Tattoo, totems, Ancestral spirits, nature and war dance. The life before writing and civilization even existed
I am Indian and i do not consider myself as asian, we have a separate continent if you are forgetting called Indian sub continent for a reason (Afghani, pakistani, Indian,Bangladeshi, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan is part of it) we are different not just by culture but from DNA too. no hate or any superiority complex but we are different from asian asia. we are not better but different from asia
Afghanistan and the Western side of Pakistan is not the Sub Continent because The Indus River is the objective divider of Persia to the West, Central Asia to the North West and the Eastern side (Where most Pakistanis in the US and UK are from) is where Indian Sub Continent begins in an objective sense.
Bhutan and Nepal might also not be Sub Continent as it is not the same as South Asia, please correct me if I'm wrong though.
Indians are asians. They have more influence on ancient asia than almost any other country. Buddhism came from India. Most patriarchal or caste system practiced by alot of asian countries today have roots from middle east or India. Taoism and confusim were post Buddhism and likely influence by Buddhism. Asian isn't a race. It's a continental term. If your ancestors have been in asia for a long time and have had impact on the culture, then its asian. Not oriental asian but still asian
South asian continent.Whole different genes
@@cocwarrior130 Nepal is 100% Indian subcontinet with culture and geography, bhutan is also same. Afghanistan is not part of sub continent but culturally it is well within Indian cultural influence and persian/central asian bits and pieces.
Bhutan and Nagaland are in Asia. Nepal could be considered Asian too, but not India.
Another thing to mention is that many online dating studies show that south Asian women have the highest rate of endogamy while East Asian women are the lowest. Indian women 99% of the time would rather date within their own race.
Did the study mention whether East Asian or Southeast Asian had a higher rate?
@@ChangNation I believe they grouped south East Asian and east Asian women into one cluster. I can send you a link
I think it could be explained with the fact they find east asian women more appealing mixed with the fact of self hatred and bad asian male representation in the western media.
But personally I had many white girls asking me out. Maybe things are changing for the better.
@@KFC431 yeah, I the study also mentions that Indian men are less endogamous than India women funny enough
This is the opposite from what I have seen with the Indian women. Many indian women seem to have a much lower opinion of Indian men than asian women of asian men. You have to remember india has some of the highest gender inequalities in the world.
Asian women are just fetishized by other races vs Indian women who a relatively ignored.
The problem with everything about this is that "Asia" was defined by the ancient Greeks based on the geography in their region. They saw the world as three continents (Europe, Asia, and Africa) divided by three seas (Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, and Black Sea). They had no concept of how much of the world existed in the lands to their east.
Europe is one of at least five comparable civilizations that exist on that northern land mass. There is the Western civilization identified as Europe, there is also the Sinitic civilization which is dominated by China but also includes Korea, Japan, and Vietnam. It also has a strong presence in Thailand, Cambodia, the Philippines, Laos, and Singapore. There is the Indic civilization centered on India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. It also extends into along with the Sinitic civilization into Myanmar, Malaysia and Indonesia. There is also a Persian civilization based in Iran that extends into Iraq, Azerbaijan, the Caucasus and Afghanistan. The other comparable civilization in Asia is the Semitic civilization, half of which is in North Africa, which includes Arabians and Levantines. On top of these five great civilizations of the northern land mass there are a number of important cultural entities the most important of which is the Turkic culture which includes the people of Turkey, Cyprus, and central Asia. There is also a Mongol-Siberian Culture that is distinct from the others.
So while saying that Indians are Asians is technically correct-they are in fact as Asian as Chinese, Iranians, or Arabians-it's only because of the myopic world view of an ancient people who only knew about the world within a 1500 mile radius of their position.
No, Middle East, Sub Continent of Middle East, and the Asian. 😅
The way modern term of "asian" is being used as a way to distinguish people, just like how black, white, arab or desi are used.
The term we're looking for is phenotype.
Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian.
Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
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We Indians are 'Indians' more than anything else.. India is the oldest land/culture..
What are Sri Lankans. Wth.
@@missdhara6434Sri Lankans are Sri Lankans
Poop on the street 💩
@@missdhara6434 Sri Lankans
@@missdhara6434 Srilankan have ancestors from India
so now can we divide the continent into 3 parts
1. Arab world/middle east
2. Asian
3. Indian
Russians and Uzbekistani Kazakhstani etc?
North-East Indians do look East Asian 😂
@@YTMRCODERexceptions bub like 3%
Lmao and what about Pakistan, Bangladesh and etc?? The term Asian vs Indian is so sped in general, you all only talk about east Asia without considering south East Asian whose majority of culture is influenced by South Asia 😂, if y’all don’t wanna be associated w us cause y’all don’t like us and think we’re all dirty just say that, damn this whole video is like a dog whistle
@@vinvyl957 huh? since when is southeast asia influenced by Indian Culture? East and Southeast Asia share more in common then South Asia
I think this was a comedy clip not a scientific clip. Genetically the difference between the three 'major' races is miniscule (it comes down to minor differences in skin color and epicanthic folds in the eyes, more black hair, and so on). Culturally it depends on environment. Speaking as a White whose partner is Asian.
It's bone structure. Not eyefolds and skin color. SMH.
It is the shape of the skull too.
It was a comedy clip. Ronny is Malaysian and Malaysians are of Malay, Chinese, Indian and Orang Asli descent. He was making fun of the way the Americans see Asians as only East Asians while Brits only see Asians as South Asians.
Totally confused thinking!!😅😅😂😂 Indians are part of the Asian community period! They are also a dominant part of the community culturally and economically which leads to certain complexes on both sides of an unnecessary discussion!!😅😅😂😂
Am Indian and i don't consider myself as Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo - European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
😂😂😂😂
@@SexyBeautifulBabe
I don't get it, What's so funny?
@@napakistanmedia6772 Indians are Asians .. so yes you are Asian by definition .. you don’t have to look oriental to be Asian
@@SexyBeautifulBabe
Indian are more related to Europeans, we are Caucasoid - Caucasoid are not native to Asia.
Indian/ Europeans had a common ancestors in ancient times. Indian was classed under then Caucasian/white box when asked about our ethnicity. Europeans people had no problems with that.
And then ever since Europeans found out that India's rich heritage e.g. India's' sacred language "Sanskrit" has many in common with the European languages and dates the OLDEST of the indo Europeans languages, Europeans tried covering it up, by claiming that some ancient Europeans turned into modern people Indians. Hence why they have many in things in common us Indians.
Even Hitler said that the "Aryans" (pure Indian DNA) were the ULTIMATE SUPERIOR of the European race.
After all this findings, NOW all of a sudden, Indians are NOT be classed under then Caucasian/white box when ask about our ethnicity, but should be classed as under the Asian category!!!
Being called Asian make no sense for Indians
@@SexyBeautifulBabe
Indians are classed as white/Caucasians, Just like old times
People have to realize India is a huge country. There are Assamese and Sino-Tibetian groups living in India. So should we consider them Asian or Indian?
There's so much nuance amongst Asian countries which is why it doesn't make sense why people in Western countries group them all together
@@ChangNation Do you consider Tibet/Nepal to be closer to India or China/East Asia
@@owen3721Tibet and Nepal is way more Indian that Chinese as far as culture, food , dance, weddings and music
Region of north eastern should be given independence from india and these people are tibeto-burmans and most assamese are big nose indo-aryan brown skinned indo-aryans
@@ChangNation Just call them Asian like us Indonesian need to be called as Asian ye mate. Why you guys Westerners especially Murican Yankee/Dixie doesn't call Arabs and Indians as Asian. I truly hate it when you guys calling the East Asians as the only Asians. I'm sick and tired with the kind of this.
Asian - THOSE WHO ORIGINATE FROM ASIAN CONTINENT. INDIA IS IN ASIA, THEREFORE ARE ASIAN. THESE PEOPLE YOU REFER IN COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA , JAPAN , PHILIPENES ETC ARE : EAST ASIANS
Indians don't necessarily bring each other up, I would say it might be even the other way. The more feeling is kinda threatened when u see another Indian because you know you have to compete with them!
Interesting - I feel like competition is one of the best motivators though
@@ChangNation it usually depends on what kind of Indian, even Indians inside India have a different Mindset India itself when you come inside is a Continent on its own would feel like each state is its own country. some states are more Business oriented and some states manufacture. we even have Chinese Indians (Hakka for example who left for India when China became a Communist Country and stayed in parts of India) who are really good in the Food Business. then Thai Indians (North Thailand) who lived in India over 500 years ago inter-married with Indians and became part of the sub-continent. Even before migration, South Thailand had this intermarrying culture with Indians and allies. we don't see them as Outsiders but rather as Family. then African Indians who came to India as Slaves to the Muslim Rulers. then settled in India. then Persian Indians who came here after the Muslim Conquest of Persia were more like Cousins to Indians because Persia and India used to be one Country and One People. if you ask me personally Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Sri Lankans, Nepalis, Bhutanese, Bangladeshis, Tibetans, Persians, Tajaks, Yazidis and Kurds come under one group in terms of Both Cultures and then the rest of the world, because these used to be the same people. the Indian Country as well called today was huge than people think or realize. Persians are basically Indians Cousins who separated themselves.
@@ChangNation they definitely pull them each other up, it’s also sometimes pretty discreet.
As someone who has worked with them for over a year, they far have each other's backs than whites or Asians. Heck if even of them come in, they can control the office politics and get every white and Asian out. There are huge complaints in canada of Indians literally invading workplaces
@@ChangNationBruh you literally just showed slums in India. India also has metropolitan cities
“Asian” shouldn’t be considered one race in my opinion… time to separate it into east Asian, southeast Asian, south Asian, and Middle Easterner.
Update:
Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian.
Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
Honestly things were fine the way different ethnicities in asia were being refered. East and south east asians are still refered as asians in english speaking countries, except UK who refers asian as south asians exclusively. I feel like indians are trying to argue and change this due to the rise in popularity of east asian media in order to gain benefits from it. But the pandemic negated some of the effect.
The term "South Asian" only exists to appease Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc that don't want to be lumped in with Indians. When the British left the Indian subcontinent in the 1940s, the largest territory took the name India so all the smaller territories that emerged at the same time had to dissociate themselves as much as possible from the name.
asian isn't an ethnicity. It's a geographic term. If your ancestors were from Asia and has had cultural Impact from asia, then your asian. Americans aren't all the same ethnicity but they're still called Americans. There's a difference between all terms
Geographic terms: asian, Africa, American, pacific islanders
Countries: China, India, new Zealand, Syria, nigeria
Ethnicity: anglo, Hans, Punjabi, arab/persian, nigerian/igbo, maori
Nationality: us citizen American/canadian, Syrian, New zealander/kiwi, nigerian, Indian, chinese
@@KFC431why? South east and east Asia is different in terms of ethnicity and culture and language.
@@KFC431not to mention the amount of racism East Asians make south East Asians go through.
Indian here
Id like to have a specific identity which is indian
I can't relate to Asia and Asian looking people
You guys can get clubbed under Asia and I'm perfectly ok with it
Take it and go
Asian is not race. Indians are asian causes they are part of asia continent plus in UK the word Asian is referred to indians, pakistani, Bangladeshi,. And only in US the word Asian is referred to east asians.
Plus asia is the most diverse continent in the world it doesn't have people who look the same. Plus even in india northeast indians are different, north indians are different, South indians are different, east indians are different.
@@Vic2-jb1hx ok smarty-pants, we all agree you're having good IQ. just take the Asian title and go. Us Indians are fine with being called Indians.
@@vcfirefoxmy guy I'm indian in india only ok everyone in india who are educated knows they are asians and in the Asia continent. It's litterly in the dictionary stop taking the American term the US term for asian is UNOFFICIAL just because the word Asian refers to a specific ethic group doesn't mean the whole world will adapt to that term too. Plus no one in asia calls themselves asian why? Cause asian isn't a race. Indians calls themselves indians, Chinese calls themselves Chinese, Japanese calls themselves japanese, afghans calls themselves Afghanistani. It's simple as that
@@Vic2-jb1hx if you are indian in India, you can follow that thought train. I'm glad you're happy feeling what you're feeling.
@@vcfirefox my guy just read the damn dictionary to find the definition of asian. Your here believing in US term as if everyone outside the US care about them. Stop being brainwashed
Finally who are the West to classify us. And why should we adhere to their "standards".
Like I always say: FUCK THE RULES
but according to my research Indian culture has a lot more similarities with Thai culture which is an Asian country
The Indian Sub-continent should have been called a separate continent. If Europe, which is part or the Eurasian landmass can be called a separate continent I don't see why South Asia, which is on a separate tectonic plate and is clearly demarcated by the Himalaya mountain ranges should just be sub-continent and not a separate one. This would solve this, "are Indians Asian" question.
That's because Indians and Asians are not in control of their own narratives. The world is still very much Euro centric although I believe that this is slowly changing.
@@AspiringSunThat was millions of years ago.Humans did not exist that time
North-East Indians do look East Asian 😂
@@AspiringSun That "3% of the population" is still about 40 million people - almost the size of South Korea
@@AspiringSun Not all of India should be part of the Indian continent.
NE India should be part of SE Asia.
The 40 million people should not be wrongly categorized
In other words - the country of "India" would span across 2 continents
Just because you share the same land mass doesn't make you the same people. Its about lineage. People tend to confuse nationality (land you are born on) with race (who your people are). Even in the melting pot of uncle sam, people who come here & get citizenry live mostly amongst themselves aka little china, little italy etc. Everyone calls themselves Amer, but each race has a lineage that goes outside that country. That guy would indeed stand out in a bollywood production. Never forget your ancestry, cause Amer will throw that in your face when it suits them, even the 2nd & 3rd generation.
minority live among themselves in every society
I am from nepal and here a lot of indian (all ethnicity ) live among themselves as indian community and when i was traveling to india i saw nepali (all ethnicity) living together as nepali community
In foreign countries nepali people live close to or indian community because of cultural similarities
Same goes for asian smaller community living closer to Chinese
If a place is more diverse then place you will find more people living among themselves
Jump scare but there's something called West Eurasian and East Eurasian in reference to the continent of Eurasia. West Eurasian lineages predominate in Europe and West Asia (Middle East) while East Eurasian lineages predominate in East and Southeast Asia. Indians mostly carry West Eurasian (Europe/Middle East-related) DNA but also carry lower levels of East Eurasian ancestry. The Adivasi groups in India as well as Northeast Indians are predominantly of East Eurasian origin (either AASI or ESEA) however. East Eurasian lineages are native to South Asia.
East/Southeast Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, Filipino, Thai) and South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi) look nothing alike and don't share similar cultures or customs. Saying they're the same would be like saying Asians and Europeans are the same since it's all one connected land mass anyway.
To illustrate the obvious differences, see which group has been affected by anti-Asian racism and violence during COVID. Don't recall coming across an article or video about some Indian being targeted. Meanwhile, I have seen such stories of Burmese, Filipino, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese people being attacked because of said racism, even though they're not Chinese. Likewise, East/Southeast Asians weren't affected by post 9/11 racism but some South Asians were.
I think indians have more in common with east Asia them Philippines. They only look Asian but everything else about them are Spanish..
Asian just means that your country is in the continent of Asia; you're overanalyzing the situation.
Hinduism and Buddhism are the common religions in India as well as Burma, Thailand and Cambodia so yes they do share simialr customs and culture, Buddhism comes from India, the thai greeting is basically the same as the Indian one (palms folded), they eat curry, their clothes are related to the Indian Dhoti, mundu, their ancient cities and temples are based on southern Indian architecture (compare Angkor Wat with Brihadeeswara temple for example), their script is based on south indian script. The real question is what do Thai, Cambodian, Burmese share in common with east asians? Very little except their appearance, and why is appearance that important? Isn't more important how we are on the inside?
@@adityarajan592except that appearance matter the most with humans since its the very first thing we see in others, not their traits. They may not be correct but it is as it is. I'm technically southeast asian (filipino) by citizenship but racially I cannot call myself asian since I'm mediterranean (spanish-sephardic jewish descent) and look like one. I stand out here all the time and get bullied at school for looking different. I get comments from people even strangers often questioning my citizenship since I don't look filipino/asian even though I carry Philippine passport and my great-grandparents have been here since the 1800s.
Thailand is literally part of the Indian Cultural Sphere...
Indians are Asian….as Italians and Spanish are considered European Caucasian….the population is mixed for centuries…
No you're wrong. Asian is a race that Indians are not
@@ChhrrisH2496 You got your terms mixed up. There is only one race…Human…all ethnic groups of Human beings fit into human species.
@@easyalpha1 human but not same race humans
@@ChhrrisH2496 That’s the problem, if you think there are different races of humans…racism can exist… If there is one human race…racism is a joke….and cannot exist.
The big lie is many races exist….to divide people….oldest trick in the book.
@@easyalpha1 oh btw. Indians are also Caucasians/Caucasoid.
It is not just those from Europe, silly.
NOT ASIAN 🍜 RACE!
East Asia : Asians
Southeast Asia : a bit Asians
South Asia : indians
West Asia : Arabs
South and West are not Asian 🍜 Bub
@@ChhrrisH2496in that case also east and southeast aren't Asian they're mongoloids don't call them asian just call them mongoloids
@@ChhrrisH2496
Am Indian and i don't consider myself as Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo - European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
@@napakistanmedia6772 finally!
Someone who agrees with me!!
You have a clue indeed!
@@ChhrrisH2496
its the British that coined Indians to choose the Asian category before this, indians was classed as under whites/caucasiod category
I think Indians are considered asians because yes of course they're in the continent of asia. But also India has influenced asian culture directly or indirectly with the spread of buddhism and politically. Like we consider countries like myanmar, thailand, malaysia and indonesia as asians. However, they were more heavily influenced by india as much as they were by china. I don't know why this is even a question or debate and I dont think we should keep seperating ourselves
I think the fact asia is such a big land mass, it would be wrong to classify everyone in the same category.
When people refer to race in general they think like: black, white, asian, indian, south asian, native people.
In terms of race/ethnicity, east asians are different culturally and in terms of appearance.
There are notable differences in language, religion, social customs, and cultural practices. East Asian countries, such as China, Japan, and Korea, have languages from the Sino-Tibetan language family and are heavily influenced by Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. On the other hand, India has a diverse range of languages from the Indo-Aryan and Dravidian language families, and its predominant religions are Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
Cuisine, traditional clothing, festivals, and architectural styles also differ between East Asian and Indian cultures. These variations reflect the unique histories, geographies, and cultural influences of each region.
While there may be some cultural exchange and influences between East Asia and India throughout history, it is important to recognize and appreciate the distinctiveness of each culture.
@@AspiringSunDravidian is Caucasoid Caucasian Race
@@AspiringSunyou dumbo buddhism originated in india not nepal. Buddha took enlightenment under bodhi tree in bodhgaya present day india. Infact buddhism itself have so much of influence from hinduism and so does nepal. Nepal and india share the same history.
@@AspiringSunI think you are obsessed with india. Seeing your stupid comment literally everywhere.
@@AspiringSunBuddhism originated in Bihar, India. There was no Nepal at the time of Buddha, there was Magadha, a Hindu state and Siddharth Gautam was born in a Hindu society and Taught his teachings to them in Indian languages Pali and sanskrit.
300 years after his death, Indian emperors and monks spread Buddhism throughout Asia.
For the argument of India is in Asia therefore Indian are Asian. We could also said Mexico is in America and Mexican are American.
Correct. In census form, we don't see "Americans" we see "u.s citizen." American is a geographic term not a nationality. Nationality would be u.s. citizen. Americans = u.s. citizen, Canadians, Mexicans, and South Americans. Hawaiians are not Americans but can be u.s citizens because they're part of united states.
No bro we don't need asian tag.
Indian name itself is a brand
If we're being totally honest the word "Asian", as used by most people, is just the more PC version of the earlier ethnographic term "mongoloid". People just can't bring themselves to say it because of its assumed association with Down syndrome.
Just use the term oriental then
@@st4r444 oriental means east asia
@@hayabusa1329 Correct but if that makes east asians uncomfortable then they can always call Europeans "Occidentals" to balance things out.
@@Not-Ap lots of eastern asians are called orientals especially in the UK
I see what you did there, but it just makes your group look really bad.
Question: Why do you consider Chinese as Asian ? They're extremely different from the rest of Asia. Especially with the complete absence of freedom to speak out against their government. Even middle eastern countries ruled by monarchs don't have the level of fear of Big Brother watching them as the Chinese do. Their rulers know they're despots and don't expect their people to be hyper obedient, but for some reason the Chinese rulers do, it's like they want to control their people's minds
Because China was the major civilizational power of Asia for almost all of recorded human history. This was also why western encroachment into Asia only gained real traction after the english crippled the Qing Dynasty using opium (drugs/narcotics - it is also why China has one strictest/severest penalty for any idiot stupid enough to peddle narcotics within/into China). Western imperialists had previously attempted and failed to encroach into Asia (barring South Asia whose hegemon had been brought to its knees by the English) during the Great Ming Dynasty (which the largest AND most powerful navy + army in the world) and were instead crushed and brought to their knees (AKA kowtoo). The west did not gain a technological edge until the policies of the QING Dynasty (Dynasty after Ming).
India in its own right was also a civilizational state (however its influence was predominantly limited to South Asia).
It's like the same sort of labels LGBTQ+ describes themselves with. I've been taught only about ethnicities and nationalities at school and didn't think anything of it. In the US however, everyone's different and try to stay away from each other so that issue is more important. I'm not going to stop referring myself as Asian simply because another country labels it differently. "Asian" is a geographical term and it should stay that way.
Exactly, you are Asian.
Asia doest mean east asian only . India and Indian subcontinent comes in South Asian
False Asian ㊙️🥋 is a race in the US America census
Keep away from us real Asian.Only people from Nagaland are entitled call themselves Asians. Be with your brothers Pakistani, Bangladeshi,Sri Lankans or Arabs,Persians, North African or Caucasians.Indians have nothings to do with Asians genetically, culturally, mentally. Call yourself Middle Eastern it is more correct.
Saying india isn't Asia is just like saying Egypt isn't Africa😂
Nope Indian are not Asian
problem is that most outsiders, americans europeans or other africans too ig think asia means korean, chinese and japanese people. i remember one time someone asked me what race i am, i replied i'm asian, they said stop joking u don't lool asian. like bro wtf, like i'm supposed to look and fit the so called "asian look" stereotype? what even is this. they even said, you have big eyes instead of small cat eyes, u have a big nose instead of a small high bridge nose, your skin tone isn't white/pale it's brown/black, your hair is a wavy and curly at some points not straight, u don't have light pink lips u have dark big lips, you aren't slim and curvy at all. i was shocked really
Asian ㊙️🥋🍜 is a race.
@yukikhozo7923
I agree with you.
@@sushmam1420 you're wrong bub
The dating part is true Indian guys are very daring when it come to approach unlike Asian men. :D
That's good, something asian should learn. I only had girls asking me out and most of the time I wasn't interested to them since they were mostly white girls and I prefer asian girls.
It's better to approach the ppl you're interested instead pf waiting for them to approach you.
@@KFC431 Asian male should be more initiative when it come to approaching.
Asian men you are great. The toxic masculinity is getting out of fashion. You will be more desirable in the near future.😊
@@dizadzed Thank you 😊
I am Indian American and I do classify myself as a South Asian. Obviosuly, I also classify myself as an Indian, but people have to understamd that Asia has so many countrirs with different cultures and ethnic makeup. Not only this, but India itself is so diverse. A North, West, South, and Northeast Indian will look different from each other, but they are all Indians. So saying that Indians aren't classified as Asians just because they don't "look" like East or Southeast Asians is kind of a weird concept. But of course, there is racism everywhere. Often times, Indians with darker skin will get made fun of by North Indians and Northeast Indians will get made fun of as well because they "look" like they are from another part of Asia. It's all very messed up but being colorist or racist with in one's own country towards one's own prople is very common. In conclusion, yes, Indians are Asian (just more specifically, South Asian).
Yes, you are Asian
You are Indian! You look nothing like Korea Japanese Chinese!
@@yunyanli5885you are Oriental You look nothing like Indians And Asians
I am indian but not Asian i can say proudly
Tysmm I was caught in between like where do I belong. People always debating with me whether I’m half Asian or Indian or just Asian and finally someone explains it clearly😭😭
Half Asian since Indian is not Asian 🍜 Race
@@ChhrrisH2496 east asian aren't asian, Indians are most ancient asian.
@@pelandolickasshole8715 no they are the race and Indians ARE NOT!
@@ChhrrisH2496South Asians if you only say "Asians" then you include all of Asia Indians are South Asians
Your from India?
If you study history
Indians and Iranians and middle East is more Asian
Than
The conventional image of asian
The conventional image of Asian is based on racism by white people that people with short eyes are only asians.. It's same as saying europeans are all white human race..
It's time we stop this racism.
Pretty good video. As an Indian American (first generation or should I say Gen-0 as in Naturalized Citizen, not born?),I found myself agreeing with a lot of what you said. Disagree with one part though: you showed clips of slums and extreme poverty to make your case for Indian grit. I can almost guarantee you that someone from that type of extreme background would be highly unlikely to make it to the US, they'd just be struggling to make ends meet. India has a very large middle and upper-middle class and it is the highly educated and smart folks from that section of society who aspire to come to the US. India has an ultra rich class of millionaires and billionaires (in US dollar terms) but there really is nothing that the US can offer them that they cannot avail themselves back home so they prefer to enjoy their lives there.
India is quintessentially asia has cultural links with all of asia . Indosphere with SE asia ,buddhism with east asia and islamic cultural links with west and central asia and indian is a nationality,not a race and people look like all sorts in india
They are Asian due to where India is located, however how Asian their genetics are depends on what kind of Indian we are talking about. North Indians and people in Pakistan have a strong influence of Andronovo (Ancient European) genetics, basically all of those who have blue, green, gray and other light eye colors have many ancestors from the Corded Ware in Europe.
Why is everyone so interested in the ethnicity of Indians
Because they not Asian Race
@@ChhrrisH2496 Indian is not a single race
No one here is interested, but people from certain areas of the world are. I find their fixation on race sickening. People from these areas obsessing over race and certain groups with extreme victim-mentality and aggression made me squarely support my country remaining monoracial. These same people with hyperfixation on race and hyper victim-mentality, they keep calling us "racists" with extreme aggression yet at the same time they want to come into my country. Jesus christ, no thanks.
@@RA-ze1zw Race is a real thing, like it or not. Otherwise we'd all look alike and have the same privileges
@@ChhrrisH2496 That's all the more reasons why I want my country to remain monoracial.
by he way keep in mind many Burmese are actually ethnically indian. They are not all sino-tibetan or chinese like many people think. However, alot of Asians still would not consider Burmese ( ethnically indian) Asians. I assume because they dont want to mix or associate with them and fail to accept that Asia is a huge diverse continent!
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northeast, Indian people they speak sino tibeto burman languages... In burma Indian ethnic... Like naga, mizo, kuki, meitee people they speak sino tibeto burman languages... We are originated from China, Thailand.❤
@@YangAoNaga I understand, but during the british rule, burma was apart of india and many bengalis and other ethnic group indians migrated and settled in Burma. I believe Burma might actually be older or around same age as Thailand. Yes Burmese also originated from China. However, Burma was also invaded by different ethnic groups like india. Even though Burma is not as diverse or vast like India. However, in Modern day, China wants to claim and own Burma for natural resources. Also Burmese could also be mixed indian and chinese ethnically.
These are all reasonable points. Even using the term "Asian" to refer to both E and SE Asians seems a little broad and ignores lot of cultural differences. For instance, I'm not sure traits such as self-doubt, approach anxiety or keeping one's head down are particularly common amongst Cambodians, Filipinos, Malays, etc.
Yup. And, culturally, the similarities between Indians and SE Asians way greater than that between east Asians and se Asians.
Also, there are so many ethnic Indians in countries like Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore etc. that have been living there for hundreds of years.
They are asian in the UK. At what point is it not asian anymore? Nepal? Bhutan? Kazakh?
I don't get why this is such a controversial topic tbh. If it weren't for India, East Asian culture wouldn't be what it is today and vice versa. Just because we have different skin colours and eye shapes doesn't mean we are not Asian. Instead of seeing Asians as only those with monolids, look at the culture like food, religion, societal norms, family values and beauty standards. If nothing else listen to what my mother, who is oblivious to this conflict had to say when I showed her a k-drama for the first time 'Wow these people are just like us.'
Where I live (UK) when someone says Asian it most definitely includes India. The option for ethnicity in forms is always 'Asian Indian' All my east asian friends and I relate to quirky aspects of growing up asian. Ask any east asian outside east asia and they will most certainly agree India is Asian. Sadly East Asia is so homogeneous in culture that they are never exposed to another culture and hence have no idea of the sinilarities.
Also 4:18 is absolutely untrue. I'm Indian and Indian culture isn't one where you can openly talk like that and act alpha, atleast not South Indian culture.
It's really sad that the only criteria we have set for being Asian is *having monolids.*
Just said mogoloid and indus people. That's really clear isn't it?
If you replace the brown 🟤 skin of indian people with white 🤍 skin that look exactly like white people. Genetically Indians are also Caucasian.
That's the work of 400 years of British colonization
North Indians and Pakistanis are Indo-Aryans while South Indians and Sri Lankans are Dravidians
Eh not really, that's because northern indian are mixed. The real south indian in southern india is called dravidians, a totally difference race.
@@inthisone4ya just seach albino indians. They look exactly white.
Indians are actually only 30-40 percent caucasian. 60 percent asian
so , Indians are not Asians,.. instead Europeans, Americans, Africans.
which continent are Indians from then
I'm Paki(so I'm of Indian descent), never considered myself Asian and I thought it was weird too. One of the biggest differences I've seen between the 2 despite alot of cultural intersectionality, is that Indians always came across as much friendlier versus Asians who came across as cold or distant.
East Asians are cold? Maybe Koreans and Chinese .. phillipinoes and Thailand people are very warm and welcoming .. also south Asian is still Asian .. no matter how you feel 😉
@@SexyBeautifulBabe no they are not
@@ChhrrisH2496 yes they are .. 🥰
@LeonardoKoagouw yes they are
@@SexyBeautifulBabePhilippines and Thailand aren't East Asians they're South East Asians. South East Asians are usually more humble and welcoming when compared to East Asians. Indians are NOT Asians.
Why do East Asian Americans think they can decide who is Asian and who is not Asian? Is identity politics that important to you? Also, it's so funny seeing East Asians Americans not understanding Ronnie's skit. Ronnie is from Malaysia, a country whose people are of Malay, Chinese, Indian and Orang Asli descent. Malaysia is described as "truly Asia" because it's viewed as a miniature Asia. Ronnie was making fun of the difference in how Asian is viewed in the US and in the UK. Also, what do you even mean by "Asian"? Are you aware that most Southeast Asian cultures are part of the Indosphere (Indian Cultural Sphere)?
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians discriminate against Mainland Indians and against their own people: Meitei have been r**ing and m**dering Kuki-Chin for almost a year now. Don't give me this story please.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians discriminate against mainland Indians and they discriminate against their own: Meitei against Kuki-Chin. Thank you, next.
South East Asian are Indian breed, we don't consider themselves Asian either
@@Tarozhou Southeast Asians are NOT Indians lmfao and they are Asians. You do not decide who is Asian and is who not!
It's geography not a choice
How about we discuss how people pretend everyone is FUCKING EQUAL when desis are left out of the goddamn conversation entirely?!
Love the animations and editing style!
Only slant eye r not exclusively Asian in india v hv all shades n body types n face types
Most people in Asia do not look like the mongols/ east asian peoole. They don't want to be east asian for some reason.
Yooo wassup chang, i just found ur channel! I really love it because of the fact that when no one else does, you tell the world about asian hate and making me feel proud about being asian! I am originally born in China, Beijing and i moved to England for a better life when i was young, I have experienced so much hate since. Eg:stop eating bats and get out my country. Your race are virus makers and thats to name a few. Im only 14 and ive gone through multiple racial physical violence when covid arose. I watched a few of your videos and i agree, asian hate NEEDS to be talked about more. people just think its a joke these days
Glad you found my channel and appreciate the kind words man! Asian hate has definitely gotten a lot worse in the US since COVID, all the more important to surround yourself with a solid friend group that helps you feel proud of your culture / background
@@ChangNation
Chang, if you don't mind do you think you can make a video about this subject? Maybe you can verify and do research a lil on the source and stuff but I think I'm correct about this topic:
btw the term we're looking for is phenotype.
Here's how phenotype are being used:
East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian.
Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
The argument of UK using asian to define south asian and not east and south east just proves the point further of the usage of asian as phenotype rather than refering to the whole continent of asia.
Personally, not 100% sure:
Personally I've never heard of an arab being refered as asian, nor indian if I'm quite honest but that's just my personal experience. I think some indians are trying to argue about it and change things in order to reap off the benefit of the rise of east asian media.
Like where were they during yellow peril, where were they during chinese exclusion act, where were they during asian male demasculinization, indian girls don't get oversexualised in US...
It’s only hate to people like you who don’t see other Asian countries as being Asian. So yes most people will not like you
The thing is that with that huge population and genetics Indians have grown their own identity....like it's difficult to differentiate between korean Japanese and Chinese people but most of the time apart from NE indians you can easily guess this is an Indian guy
There is a lot of truth and valid points in this video.
I agree, culturally Mongoloid asians and Indians have similarities and differences.
Indians arent Asian meaning, Indians are not mongoloid asian and thus differ culturally in that aspect.
But Indians are asians as in India is in Asia
Bro hasn't been to northeast India
I'm British-Indian and my girlfriend is British-Chinese. I think historically speaking, there are many similarities, linguistic significance (Sanskrit), and cultural relations where the word "Asian" does make sense and is valid. Our traditional values are very similar as well because of this; I do not feel lost embracing Chinese culture at all, and I'll go as far as saying that it's helped me understand Indian culture too. There are ethnic groups in both countries who understand this too (Naga ethnic group, Uyghurs, etc). At the same time, South Asia and East Asia have their own thing going on and are indeed different worlds, definitely politically, and economically. Would the word "Asian" make more sense if India and China truly had similar political goals and engaged with each other more since they both influenced Asia a lot? Perhaps. But the world is always a changing place and it's not hard to reach out to people as it was before regardless if we're talking East or West, I can say that much =).
Would you say that SE asians are a mix of south and east asians, closer to one of the two, or more distinct?
@@owen3721part of SE Asia is closer to South Asia in terms of cultural influence (Cambodia, Indonesia, etc) Philippines also has cultural influence from us back in ancient times, Vietnam tho is more closer to east Asia in terms of history and stuff
Mongol and indus people are different. Indus people look more like arabs who are also asian than they do the east asian/mongol people
I mean Indian tectonic plate was never part of Asia
Well it clashed together so it now is. But the question is if asian should be based on identity or geography alone.
Doesn't matter if India is part of Asia. So is the Middle East
Exactly 💯. It's a race 🍜
Dude... you literally showed a slum by a gutter to stereotype indian homes ... WT*???
Should ask Ronny then is Xinjiang part of Asia, and are the North East Indians not asian as well?
Ronny is from Malaysia. He was poking fun at the way people in the US see Asians as only East Asians while people in the UK see Asians as only South Asians. Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country made up of different Asian groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians, Orang Asli. It's described as "truly Asia" as a result of this mix.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh I am not Indians, so I am not sure, but arent pretty much all Indians discriminated in within India? It sucks though, I wish there was no such thing as racism or discrimination.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Northeast Indians are racist to mainland Indians too. I'm not even Indian and yet I know that that entire country is racist towards each other and then love to play the victim.
@Mr.Hansome-mt8eh Malaysians belong to 4 main ethnic groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians and Orang Asli. There are other minority groups too but these are the 4 main ones.
North East indian are Asian yeah but you're not
One thing I totally agree with is - it is a lot easier to find an Asian Girl - White Guy couple, than an Indian Girl - White-Guy one. Generally, when an Asian girl dates a white guy, in the girl's family it is considered a step-up, while if the same happens in India, it is considered a step-down by the family and the society at large. There's another aspect of self-hating within the Asian community - most have a Christian name to be seen as one among the whites. Indians don't do that. I am sure you most likely have a Chinese first name, but still use "Ronny". Why?
Asians are racist to towards their own people; they think Caucasians are superior.
@@franksanz1044 I am well aware of people who have a strong desire to keep saying that. They also deliberately lump the oppressed version of East Asians (Americans) with the original version of East Asians kinda to promote that narrative. They actively lie about how people of my country think, feel, and live as well. Quite constantly. I see what they're doing. It's pretty hilarious and ugly how desperate they are. Including you. lmao. You so wish we thought that way. Why do you have the necessity? lmao.
When a Korean woman marries a white guy, it is not particularly considered a "step up" in Korea. You are completely wrong about that, and it looks pretty pathetic how ignorant you are. I see a certain narrative pattern like this from Indians. They think they are being convincing and anonymous enough, but they don't seem to have the intelligence to know how transparent their intent is, especially considering other things that you're claiming at the same time. It just 'shows' what you're trying to achieve.
True
I'm an Indian American that grew up in the USA. I have NEVER publicly called myself "Asian" and really don't think of myself as "Asian", BUT I have many times checked off Asian on those demographic forms, because there was no "East Indian" or "Desi" selection. So sometimes I check off Asian on those circle forms, but sometimes I just pick "Other" since we don't have a category. I think the only people that call Indians "Asian" are people in England, even people in India don't call themselves Asian. It's Indian first, and yeah maybe Asian second if that's the only category to check off, but if Other is there we'll just go use that too.
Yeah Asian race/ethnicity 🍜 🇨🇳㊙️㊗️ just doesn't make any sense for your people.
@@ChhrrisH2496
Mainland Indians are not Asian, Indian more related to middle eastern and specially Europe, even our language come from the indo- European languages as Indian and Europeans once had a common ancestors that spoke a common language
My guy every where in Asia no one calls themselves asian. Asian is not a race only in America it is but its a unofficial term in the US
@@asheosadaye6643 And this comment has nothing to do with what I said my guy. I never spoke of how East Asians in Asia refer to themselves publicly.
What people dont know the difference between race and geography? Really?
Yeah! That's why Indians are not Asians!
@@ChhrrisH2496if it’s like that East Asians aren’t Asian too!
@@YTMRCODERno they are the race bubba. You're wrong!
@@ChhrrisH2496Asian isn’t a race and in Uk Asian is south Asian
@@YTMRCODERit is a race in US CENSUS America so don't bother denying it like a fool.
I am Indian and I am proud to be Asian
if we speak about facial structure and features then all the japan and korea is chinese?
Not really. Because although they are Asian race, these 3 have some differences in facial structure. Japanese have a small Jomon ancestry (related to European/Native American). And that's what makes them unique in a way. And China has lots of ethnicities, like Han, Tibetan and Uyghurs, etc.
There are Indians who can pass as Asians when it comes to facial structure, such as the North east Indians
India is asian. North east Indians are mongloid. They were not part of India but became part of India in the 70s. India is a nationality not a race. There are different people in India not just Aryans.
@@st4r444no they are not Asian race 🍜
And the rwandan tutsis resemble the indians rwandan tutsis look like the indians have big noses and dark brown skin so rwandan tutsis can pass as indians. and those northeasterners are not indians they are tibetans of indian ancestry and southeast asians
@@UBoy17if their skin and nose is not indian how they gonna pass as indians whereas people he is talking about have nothing to distinguish from other Asians stupid
@@UBoy17😂 are you drunked . Indian north east people are native of their lands .
Asian isnt a racial term. Its a geogrpahic term. India is in asia and theh have a huge huge influence on asian culture in ancient time and religious as well. They are asians. Prior to the 1900s, middle east was called west asia before the term middle east existed. There are even white caucasian chinese ethnicity who have lived in china for hundreds of years. The best example i can give is, american is a nationality not a race. An outsider will think americans are supposed to be white. Real americans know that usa is a nation of many races. As a matter if fact, even whites aren't the real americans. Just like how the 1st settler of asia were actually melenesian, papuans, and australian aboriginals who were part of early africa migration. The oriental genes arrived later and mixed with them or filtered then out. So yes, indians are asians. Asian is a geographic term. Hell, there are more white people being born in south africa now and they arent the same as black sub sahara africa but they are south africans. Africa is a huge continent and lybia, syrians and egyptians are africans still but not the same race as congo, nigerian, and zimbabwe. Just like asia. Its a continent with many people who had a cultural impact on that continent and theyre call asians.
No Asian is a race in the US CENSUS BUREAU and medical statistics studies reports in America which Indians are not part of
Geographical india is a sub continent and merged with eurasian plate. instead of calling it indian subcontinent, western think tanks , who.mostly are anti india, started using the term south asia. Also most indians are indo european people.
South Asian is just continentally
The word Asian was used by Greeks to call city's that were established in Turkey and then Persian Empire conquered those Cities that were call Asian by greeks they start calling Iranian Asian and then Alexander conquered half of the middle East and Westen India modern day Pakistan they means Greeks and European start calling everyone who live in east of Europe as Asian
I am from India and I don’t want to be called Asian and there are many Indians like this ..
Arabs also don’t want to be called as Asians they prefer being called ME or Arab only
Pakistan?
@@rahmiephone6954 Pakistan what ?
Your uneducated then. Indians are asians its basic geography. Asian isn't a race nethier is indian. You probably know northeast indians for example right? Do they have arab ancestry as you claimed? Indians are diverse they have 50+ ethic groups you as an indian should be smart enough to know this
Oh yes please, do not call yourself Asians. 😊
It is dumb to exclude Indians or South Asians from Asians. South Asians look different from East and Southeast Asians because they are Indo-Aryan and Dravidian. East and Southeast Asians meanwhile are Mongoloids.
Correct that's what the comedian in hes first video is trying to say by indians being not asian.
But wouldn't it be wrong classifying every ethnicity in such a big continent in only 1 category?
If Indians/South Asians are included as part of the Asian category, it might be even better to also include Central Asians and West Asians as well, just for the sake of consistency. Other Asians too as above face lots of systematic and institutional racism in European-based countries with or without a white Euro-descended majority in Europe and New-World settler colonies of Americas and Oceania, so their past and present lived experiences of racial discrimination need to be heard as they are painful too and can be different in some situations to the East/South-East Asian experience. East Asians should stop hogging the 'Asian' term for themselves as this race-based ideology by their egoistic diaspora has been destroying the social cohesion of European and Asian societies for +300 years as some East Asians are the lightest-skinned people of colour that were once considered 'white' by Europeans, so East Asians have this type of racial superiority that is parallel to the European's Orientalist tropes of white supremacy (look at beauty standards of China, Japan and South Korea). Immigrants from West Asia/Middle East were classified as an Asian/'Asiatic' race (ie, non-white like their East Asian brethren) when arriving in the USA, Canada, Australia, and even Latin America despite having Caucasoid features (West Eurasian lineage, genetically closely related to South Europeans like Armenians and Turks for example, some even have African admixture from East Africans like Arabs in Syria and Oman, especially in the Southern parts of the Arabian Peninsula, and often fall on the North-South cline with a diverse range of skin colours and slight phenotypical variations) as they too have origins in Asia, but due to the whacky racial politics of the white-majority Euro-Western World, ethnicities originated from West Asia are regarded as Middle Eastern, to divorce them from the Asian continent (by serving white Europe's agenda of divide and conquer by keeping countries of Asia divided like West Asians being forced to use the questionable Middle East term by the British and French imperialists) despite being one of the most critical parts of Asia's history and cultural heritage for the last 5000 years. South Asia [1], Central Asia [2], West Asia [3] and South-East Asia [4] are generally diverse culturally, linguistically, ethnically and/or racially, and East Asia [5] is generally homogeneous (excluding minorities of China like the Tibetans and Uyghurs). The Asian continent [6] has lots of nuances within the same country and between borders of nation-states, which tend to be highly misunderstood by many Europeans and East Asians, with some South-East Asians, Africans (black Africans under British colonial rule of white European colonisers in East Africa and Southern Africa associate the term Asian with South Asians from India as seen in South Africa, Tanzania and Kenya.) and West Asians/Arabs (Asian in the eyes of Arabs in the Persian Gulf are associated with South Asians from India and Pakistan) falsely perceiving it as exclusively East Asian (sometimes South-East Asians are lumped too with East Asians) in phenotypical appearance, culture, cuisine and architecture just like the deluded belief that Africa is a single country of one single ethnicity despite Africa [7] being the most diverse continent in the world in terms of genetics, phenotypical appearance (are perceived as monoracially 'black' by European/Western societies, but have various head structures and skin colours), ethnicity, culture, language and history. In contrast, Europe [8] is a homogeneous region in a similar vein to East Asia and South Caucasus countries where the nation-state ideology of a particular country matches nationality with ethnicity, race, language, culture and religion, as an inherently homogeneous that is highly exclusionary and prone to racist stereotyping that simply wouldn't be a viable reality outside of those two regions.
[1] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
[2] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia
[3] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia
[4] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia
[5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia
[6] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia
[7] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa
[8] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
@@michaeleverett1479 well there's already something wrong in what you're saying. East asians didn't steal the word asian since the word "asian" came from and was defined by the western world. People had no issues with the fact it refers mostly towards east asians until kpop and anime made east asian seen as "cool". Before that, the word asian only had negative conotations that came along. It feels like some wants to be included in the word asian to associate with the rise of popularity, fethishization with the word "asian" that ppl refers mostly to east asians.
India and south asia is not commonly thought as asian ppl and that's why there's debates around it. Russian ppl despite being on the continent of asia don't refer themselves as asian since they are different culture and phenotype.
I have an indian friend who often find east asian attractive and said "east asians are racist and evil despite being good looking" because he think we stole the word asian. Then what about the word american? He finds nothing wrong with it. But the word american refers only to ppl living in the US so basically the purpose of being include in the word asian is not for education (he also said bunch of other even more racist non sense that I debunk and got him flabbergasted).
By mentionning that everyone is different doesn't prove east asians are responsible for the word asian being refered to them as it was already ingrained as common sense among american population. The word "asian" didn't came from east asia. People ofc use the word asian to refer to east/south east asia phenotype not tectonic plates.
Btw british ppl have different meaning to the word asian being refered to mostly south asian, but why is there no east asian complaining saying south asian stole the word asian? Well most of internet, media and ppl think the word is refering east asians already just like how the word american refers only to US citizen and there's nothing wrong with it since it's common sense that we all make reference to phenotype rather than tectonic plates.
@@Budywieser So embarrassing. Ronny is from Malaysia. He was poking fun at the way people in the Us see Asians as only East Asians while people in the UK see Asians as only South Asians. Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country made up of different Asian groups: Malay, Chinese, Indians, Orang Asli. It's described as "truly Asia" as a result of this mix and you somehow think Ronny really thinks Indians aren't Asians?
I’m a srilankan but I think people should call Indians Asians cause if you don’t small countries like mine won’t even have an identity and calling us all Asian is more suitable than calling us Indians cause we’re basically not Indians
Sri Lankans are Asians. There is no way people are going to tell me I'm not Asian when 1. Sri Lanka is culturally similar to other South Asian and Southeast Asian countries, 2. there are Sri Lankans with full or partial Southeast Asian (Malay) ancestry, like myself and 3. I mostly have East Eurasian ancestry
Update: btw the term we're looking for is phenotype.
Here's how phenotype are being used: East and South East asians are being refered as asian, Arabs refers to middle east asians, south asians are refered as desi and finally, russians don't consider themselves asians ethnically, they consider themselves caucasian.
Phenotype itself isn't racist, it's the way people use it, no matter what we'll always look different and that's normal, it's better to learn accept differences rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
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Well I believe the fact that when most people refer to "Asian" they refer to east asians, there was historical context why westerners refered east asians as asians probably part of it is from negative propagandas. At the time, no indian or south asian outside of east and south east asia wanted to be refered to as "asian" due to the negative stereotypes it wasn't considered cool being asian.
Over time the stereotypes changed to as effeminated and nerdy in modern days, but recently things such as kpop, kdrama, anime made asian being seen as cool and now everyone wants to be refered to as asian. But I also believe it's due to fascination, objectification and oversexualisation of asians that encourage other people to try to include themselves as "asian" as an attempt to get an east asian partner.
Everyone had no issue calling east asians as "asian" but it's really until recently we heard lot of south asian complaining about it. One of them is my indian friend who told me that he thinks "east asians are racist and evil despite being good looking" because he thinks east asians excluded indian and other south asians from being refered to as "asian" even though the word came and was defined by the western world. When I ask him then what about the word American? He says he has no problem, but then I explain him that the word american refers to only the people living in the US while America is 2 continents (North and South America). So if there's no problem with the word American, why should there be one with the word Asian? And I have to precise the fact that we are both born in Canada and pretty much all canadians don't consider themselves american and no one has a problem with it.
But in terms of look, I do agree that indians don't look anything like east asians and not only by skin color, but mainly by facial features. If you make indian lighter skin, they still are not gonna look east asian and there's no problem with that. Anyone can be good looking in their own way. But it's true that modern society is promoting only certain type of beauty that mostly exclude dark skin people but time changes, I think we should strive to like who we are and I know there's many good looking brown people, I have a muslim group of friend and there are some that are good looking and some that are bad looking, it's like that with every ethnicity, being asian doesn't automatically make you attractive.
But the fact that society does that to darker skin is a big issue since it brings self hatred. I talk with some indian guy that were ashame of being indian. I met an indian guy on discord that told me "Yes thonk about it us indians get shitted on every race thats why if we call ourselves asian it can give us some status while bringing other asian status down 🙂" (btw if you don't believe me, the server name is Asian Identity Social Club and his user is Ace.#9058, since I know there's so much fake news on internet these days)(tbh I find it sad he had that self hatred, but don't get me wrong, east asian also have self hatred just like the video stated) while we were talking wether indians are asian or not. My conclusion was the same, indians are asian geographically, but not same as east/south east asians in terms of ethnicity as it would be the same as calling white slavic russians asians, and I find it wrong classifying asia as a whole in 1 category. So we can either keep thing as it is, while it's affecting literally no one, or we'll have to being precise which part of asia every time.
Basically in terms of like "race"(but I mostly use ethnicity instead of race) to me there's: black(black african), white(caucasian), desi(south asians), asian(east,south east asian features) and arabic(middle eastern asians) people and each can have their distinctive features depending on countries as well. I think indians have their own distinctive features that is different from others and many of them are good looking too in their own way.
If you think you look bad, I suggest: do efforts to improve things such as sleep habit, watch what you consume, get some basic skin care such as cleanser and moisturizer(I don't like skin whitening trend in asia or plastic surgery), your mindset as well as things that affects it (it defines who you are/level of confidence and facial expression), and go to gym or do physical activities.
You have no right to complain about your genetics if you didn't bring it to it's max potential
Yup south asians are way diferent from asians and i dont think you should called them indians cause if you called them indians then whatt heppend to sri lankans everyone think sri lanka is a part of india but its not so its better you called them south asians
But asian is not a race.Its means the people of Asia Continent. Its the US that reduced regional attribute into racial one. Like Indian is also not a race technically. Its a nationality
We Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis are South Asian simple.