Beal makes a guide mode tuber that has grooves on both sides. One with teeth, one without teeth. That way you avoid the sharp edge from the rope eating the back side of the tuber on rappels.
You are a huge help, I love your videos. You are providing answers and detail to things I haven’t seen in books or covered by other channels. Every time time I see a new video I get excited because I know I am going to walk away with a better understanding of something!
I just got the Mammut one too since my local sandstone shreds gear. Using the grivel plume HMS twingate has low friction belaying in guide mode (saving my shoulders and elbows which hurt every season) although I rap with the edelrid bulletproof to not kill the little plume.
Adding to the rope range rant: the thin side of the spec usually is for double ropes not single. You have to really look up for that information if you want to know the thinnest single rope you should be belaying with (from below). The reverso if I recall correctly takes 8.5mm while the atc guide perhaps 8.7mm
The giga jul is up to 10.0 mm ropes. Good luck with belay from above with a 10 mm rope. Even 9.5 mm single ropes aren't fun with this thing in belay from above.
You should check out the Beal Air Force 3. It's a guide style tube device and it has the V-shape in the front and back of the rope slots. This is to prevent sharp edges from forming when the rope wears it down. I really like it.
Hey Ryan, thank you for the nice overview! Have you heard about the new Edelrid Nano Jul? It's made of stainless steel and has quiet grabby teeth, what I prefer for my half ropes. Could be worth for you to check out, as I think it's gonna hold a long time. Cheers from Switzerland, Andi
I know about that device, but I've never used one before. I do think it'll last forever with the steel though, I don't know why they don't make one for normal ropes?
Have you tried turning the devices around to reduce friction? E.g. the GigaJul has way less friction when turned around in manual mode and it's the same for my ATC from BD.
Ya it definitely does have less friction, I have hosed myself before by having the device flipped around and needed to ascend back up, it makes for a much more complex ascending system. I've also found that once the teeth wear down the ATC has about the same friction as flipped around. Flipping the device around is a great way to make your ATC last a lot longer though, since I like to track how long it takes me to wear out a device I do try to load it the same orientation, that's just specific to me though.
Puzzled why you would continually need to break in new devices. Since you carry multiple devices, why not use one broken-in guide-mode device forever ? As far as I can tell, guide mode doesn't wear out anything that you wouldn't want worn for that use. It feels wasteful to keep breaking in new devices, as that limits their usefulness for other things like lead belaying. One explanation I can imagine is your ropes are too thin to comfortably rappel in low-friction mode, so you have to wear out *something*. But if that's the case, why not use cheaper non-guide-mode devices for rappelling ?
Once I break in a device I don't throw it away, so I'll have it forever and can always go back to using it if something happens and I loose a different device. Also, since I review devices on my channel that's why I keep buying new devices. There are a lot of different ATC's out there so once I work my way through all of them I'll stop buying new devices. I mostly break them in becuase I feel like they have to much friction when they come out of the facotry, by wearing down the teeth a little it helps with pulling rope through with belay from above mode and gives a smoother rappel and lower when used in a standard belay. The wearing down of the teeth doesn't make the device any less useful for any of the applications of the device, I feel like it just makes it more easy to use.
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If you use each ATC as a passive pro, you can protect a whole pitch with them lol, then have extra for belaying
Maybe I should do that and I can finally have a viral video
@@ryantilley9063 please make it happen, for the memes!!!!
Beal makes a guide mode tuber that has grooves on both sides. One with teeth, one without teeth. That way you avoid the sharp edge from the rope eating the back side of the tuber on rappels.
You are a huge help, I love your videos. You are providing answers and detail to things I haven’t seen in books or covered by other channels. Every time time I see a new video I get excited because I know I am going to walk away with a better understanding of something!
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I just got the Mammut one too since my local sandstone shreds gear. Using the grivel plume HMS twingate has low friction belaying in guide mode (saving my shoulders and elbows which hurt every season) although I rap with the edelrid bulletproof to not kill the little plume.
That's an awsome system right there!
Adding to the rope range rant: the thin side of the spec usually is for double ropes not single. You have to really look up for that information if you want to know the thinnest single rope you should be belaying with (from below). The reverso if I recall correctly takes 8.5mm while the atc guide perhaps 8.7mm
The giga jul is up to 10.0 mm ropes. Good luck with belay from above with a 10 mm rope. Even 9.5 mm single ropes aren't fun with this thing in belay from above.
You should check out the Beal Air Force 3. It's a guide style tube device and it has the V-shape in the front and back of the rope slots. This is to prevent sharp edges from forming when the rope wears it down. I really like it.
I just picked one of those up, I was using it today! I like it too so far, it could be really good for thicker ropes.
@@ryantilley9063 I have had the same experience. Sometimes gym ropes can be really thick and worn. This works pretty well with those.
@@ryantilley9063 I have had the same experience. Sometimes gym ropes can be quite thick and worn. And this works pretty well with those.
Hey Ryan, thank you for the nice overview! Have you heard about the new Edelrid Nano Jul? It's made of stainless steel and has quiet grabby teeth, what I prefer for my half ropes. Could be worth for you to check out, as I think it's gonna hold a long time.
Cheers from Switzerland, Andi
I know about that device, but I've never used one before. I do think it'll last forever with the steel though, I don't know why they don't make one for normal ropes?
Omg ryan love your stuff but we dont have 30 min to dive thru unsorted stuff, please add timestamps or give the tldr beta
Have you tried turning the devices around to reduce friction? E.g. the GigaJul has way less friction when turned around in manual mode and it's the same for my ATC from BD.
Ya it definitely does have less friction, I have hosed myself before by having the device flipped around and needed to ascend back up, it makes for a much more complex ascending system. I've also found that once the teeth wear down the ATC has about the same friction as flipped around. Flipping the device around is a great way to make your ATC last a lot longer though, since I like to track how long it takes me to wear out a device I do try to load it the same orientation, that's just specific to me though.
@@ryantilley9063 oh. Good point. Haven't thought about ascending. Thanks!
Puzzled why you would continually need to break in new devices. Since you carry multiple devices, why not use one broken-in guide-mode device forever ? As far as I can tell, guide mode doesn't wear out anything that you wouldn't want worn for that use. It feels wasteful to keep breaking in new devices, as that limits their usefulness for other things like lead belaying.
One explanation I can imagine is your ropes are too thin to comfortably rappel in low-friction mode, so you have to wear out *something*. But if that's the case, why not use cheaper non-guide-mode devices for rappelling ?
Once I break in a device I don't throw it away, so I'll have it forever and can always go back to using it if something happens and I loose a different device. Also, since I review devices on my channel that's why I keep buying new devices. There are a lot of different ATC's out there so once I work my way through all of them I'll stop buying new devices. I mostly break them in becuase I feel like they have to much friction when they come out of the facotry, by wearing down the teeth a little it helps with pulling rope through with belay from above mode and gives a smoother rappel and lower when used in a standard belay. The wearing down of the teeth doesn't make the device any less useful for any of the applications of the device, I feel like it just makes it more easy to use.