How To Remove a Boom Mic from a Wide Shot
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2016
- There are a variety of ways to capture dialogue sound from your talent in a wide shot. The most obvious choice is to use a lavalier microphone or plant (hide) a microphone in the shot near the actors. But another option that may give you better sound is to use a boom or shotgun microphone in the frame and then composite the microphone out for the final shot. Here’s one way to do that using Premiere Pro CC 2015.
If you are using an earlier version of Premiere Pro, you can do the exact same thing using a Garbage Matte effect instead of the Opacity effect we show here. The only difference is that the Opacity effect gives you a few more options such as feathering the edge of the mask/matte to make the effect even smoother.
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Gear used to create this episode:
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Azden SMX-15 Camera Shotgun Microphone (This is what you hear in the intro. We will review this mic in the next few weeks)
Amazon: Coming Soon
B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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Electrovoice RE20 Dynamic Microphone (for recording the voice over of the tutorial)
Amazon: geni.us/5Tqx9T
B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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Copyright 2016 by Curtis Judd
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Great video Curtis. I always learn something new when I watch your videos.
+Beardbrand Thanks!
One of the most helpful tutorials I've seen in a long time. Thank you!!
+Ben McCartney thanks!
Such a great solution!
I typically shoot all A-Roll(talking head) with a Canon 50mm just so I can get the mic close enough for good audio...but still out of frame.
I can't wait to try this with the 24mm lens, today. This is going to open up more possibilities(two-person interviews, etc). Thank you, Curtis! You are appreciated, man.
Thanks!
OK Curtis, question not related to this video. Not being a sound guy, I get levels and DB and all that for commercials, etc. BUT, for UA-cam, I have yet to find a solid standard gauge for sound levels for UA-cam videos. It looks like most sound pros suggest to me -24 LKFS (the default for the ATSC A/85 in the Loudness Radar tool in both PPro and Audtion). That's fine, but it seems pretty low compared to other videos being posted, which is why mine are leveled around -6db to -3db. Any way you could enlighten me (us) on this?
+Basic Filmmaker Oh yes! There isn't a standard, as you gathered, since there isn't a governing body but the proposed recommendation I hear from "New Media" audio post engineers is -16 LUFS for stereo tracks which is the same as -19 LUFS for mono tracks. LUFS = Loudness Units Full Scale which is a measure of perceived loudness instead of peak level full scale (which you cited as -6 to -3dB). LUFS measures loudness instead of peak levels - closer to how our ears hear things. It takes into account silent passages and fast peaks vs. sustained amplitude to create a perceived loudness reading. Here's a session where we quickly covered loudness normalization to an LUFS target using Premiere Pro CC 2015.1: ua-cam.com/video/RrRn8stkEBs/v-deo.html
I hope that helps!
Curtis Judd
Thank you. Going there now. :)
Really Curtis your videos are helping me (A new film maker) become a promising film maker. Thank you very much. I purchased the Tascam DR60 II because of you and I already had the Zoom H4n which I still use but for stationary location I use the a Tascam. So thank you doc.
You're welcome!
Nice trick, Curtis. Enjoy your videos.
+Roger Duncan Thanks Roger.
The masking tools in PPro are really a godsend vs the old garbage mattes. As an additional note, I usually click on the stopwatch icon (which for some reason is defaulted to ON) before I mask like this. I've been half a minute down in the video adjusting the mask, not realizing it was being keyframed. Great tips!
Thanks for the tip on key frames! Odd that it defaults to that.
Good stuff Curtis, thanks very much for that.
Thanks James.
Awesome tip! Wow, so simple in hindsight, yet it never occurred to me!
+thenannymoh I had totally forgotten myself! Not one I use a lot but handy when you need it.
Thanks so much! I've spent years avoiding wide shoots when using a boom mic. While not always a solution in every case, it really makes sense in an interview situation. Great video!
Thanks Keith!
Nice. Thanks Curtis!
+PixelPush Media Thanks!
Simple if you think about it, but you thought of it before I did! Once again, many thanks, Curtis.
+Greg Wallis Thanks Greg.
this was awesome. I really appreciate your videos
+Brandon McK thanks!
Thanks For Teaching This Amazing Trick 🔥
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so outstandingg ! Thank you so much Chris !
+Putu Steven Mendra Thanks!
Fantastic tutorial. I must have learned at least 8 different things from this video.
+Leftism11 Thanks!
ooooh , finally i got an answer for this question .
Thanks Curtis
+Khaled Alsbaai Glad it answered your question!
Great tip Curtis! Hope all is well.
+The Post Color Blog (Dave's Tuts) Thanks Dave!
excellent very helpful. Thanks
Thanks!
Awesome tutorial 🙌🏽 I was wondering if it'd be possible to fix changes in lightning between interviews and background shots (to remove visible boom mics or lights) incase they were longer interviews
Generally, yes. Same technique. Things can get tricky if there's a lot of direct light into the camera lens with flares and such, but otherwise, can work in less problematic situations.
Can you talk about the new dslr cameras for video?
I think some good sources for camera info are Andrew Reid (EOSHD) and Dave Dugdale (if you're interested in Sony in particular). They're more into cameras than me :) Of course I'll cover my experiences when I upgrade my cameras. My channel has a little info on two of my current cameras: Nikon D750 and Panasonic GH4. ua-cam.com/video/7Zvi36C81r0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/0f4F3-IlP8U/v-deo.html
Very nice, we do this all the time when shoot indoors and if for some reason it is a difficult background just snap a picture and send it to Photoshop and then back and stretch the picture for as long as needed in the video.
+John Erwin Yes, another good option if your background doesn't have any moving elements (like this one).
This was incredibly helpful! I always learn something new from you! Thank you! Quick question....Could you tell me a bit more about the boom mic stand you are using? Or maybe you've done a video on it as well. It looks like quite a beast on the video.
+Sharpe Dunaway Thanks Sharpe. That's actually just a boom stand for holding reflectors and an umbrella adapter:
Boom Light Stand/Reflector Holder: amzn.to/1TazgdK
Umbrella Adapter: amzn.to/1QAOJx3 (I cannot find the exact model I had anymore, but this one is far more durable)
Good tut 👌
Glad you liked it
Huge efforts must be appreciated 👏
This one is really smart, I will borrow your idea!
Good luck!
Doesn't work in pre-CC though, or at least you need to send it to AE haha.
In pre CC you can use the garbage matte.
AWESOME CURTIS!!!!
Thanks Mychal!
And if you don't want to bother with shooting long enough to cover the entire length of the original clip, just shoot a few seconds of your plate and then Add Frame Hold - extend that out as long as you need it; basically making a still shot of your plate.
+Sam Comer Great point, thanks for that!
It doesn't work because the grain is moving in the shot and you need your plate to have moving grain too.
Hmmm thats pretty helpful! Thanks Curtis!
+Philippos Slicher Thanks.
Curtis Judd I remember seeing you a couple months ago, and I just found you again a couple days ago, and I've like watched almost all your videos they're so helpful!
+Philippos Slicher Thanks, I really appreciate that!
Curtis Judd :) Just keep on making helpful videos, I've learnt a lot from you
love being able to crop with the pen tool now.
+PeglegMedia Agreed, easier than the garbage mattes and the feather is nice too.
Great tutorial. David Fincher's team do this routinely on his films now, and on House of Cards.
It means boom operators can get as close to the actors as they want to, even in wide shots.
Yes! If its good enough for Fincher, it's good enough for me. ;-)
Haha :-)
If you're interested and you haven't seen it already, here's a forum where the crew from House of Cards discuss the painting out method and the practical implications on set.
tinyurl.com/kk2yjmb
They also discuss shooting car interiors with green screen, very cool!
Inspiring! Thanks Daniel.
Nice one Curtis :)
+Chris Winter Thanks Chris!
+Curtis Judd Do you use clip on or boom mic most of all - in the majority of your vids here?
+jeff4justice Almost always a boom mic. I only use lavs as backup or when I cannot boom.
Curtis Judd Thanks. Do you do consulting? If so please see the email I sent you today. Thanks for considering.
I think if you mask around the corners of the objects (like the lights) it can be more easily covered up. Great tutorial btw
Thanks Nick
Thanks Curtis. I suppose you could use this same effect to have cameo appearances of yourself more than once in the shot?
+Mike Kapotsy Exactly right!
Hey Curtis, Which stand are you using for the boom pool?
Hi Bobby, that's an old Impact stand I had which is actually made to hold reflectors - it is a light stand. I would not recommend it. I hasn't held up very well.
Curtis Judd thank you
Good tutorial! Is there a way of doing it when you don't have a plate to reference & mask? I remember back in CS3 or 4 i think it was, people doing tutorials on using the combined power of Photoshop and Premier to do this method, just without the plates. Although i'm not sure if its known as a different technique or i'm being mistaken. Just remember watching a few back then.
Thanks
+NORFIE123456 You could definitely take a still frame into Photoshop and remove whatever it is you're trying to remove from that frame and then bring it back into Premiere as the plate as long as there isn't any motion in that part of the frame. That's a clever idea, thanks for the idea!
+Curtis Judd Yeah i think that was the method actually. It sounds pretty familiar thinking about it.
Very good tutorial. Crazy question -- Does the clip with the mic removed have to be at least as long as the original clip of it in the frame? Thanks.
Thanks. No, it doesn't absolutely have to be the same length but I find that 30 seconds does the job nicely and I can loop that clip.
Quicker and easier is to double the clips on timeline as you did, then use the simple crop effect under transform, then crop left or right, up down. Much quicker and easier.
Thanks Franky!
Informative video. In your personal experience, in indoor setups against static backgrounds such as this video, do you prefer shotgun mics over lapel mics? Do you think shotgun mics give a bit better sound? Thanks.
+Ernoburger Thank you. Truthfully, I prefer cardioid (non-shotgun) mics for indoor dialogue because they generally sound better thatn lapel mics and in reverberant rooms, better than shotgun mics.. I used a shotgun mic in this case because I'm evaluating this particular one for a review. Thanks, that's a good question!
Could you use cardioid mics like the TLM 103? Do you find that for video work it would be ok to have a bit of echo in the sound because the TLM 103 cardioid can be awfully sensitive and really picks up any inaccuracies in your room.
+Ernoburger When I say cardioid, for video I usually find small diaphragm super-cardioid mics to be the best middle ground. You can also use cardioid large diaphragm condensers like the TLM103, but they're generally heavier and tougher to boom. To address reverb in a room, I usually find it best to throw a sound blanket or two on the floor if there are hard floors, and hang them behind camera in front of walls.
Oh, I see, thanks. I thought you were talking about large diaphragm condensers! I have to check out the super cardioids you mention.
Great technique. This assumes you have a clean plate to work with. There's been times where I did not (eg a power cord I did not see). Trick I've used is to export a full res frame to photoshop and clone enough background to cover the offending object. Mask just what you need. Can then bring in the photoshop file or export a PNG file (especially if not using Premiere). Add to layer above and trim to clip. Works only on a static shot.
+Craig Duddles good idea, thanks for that!
Always like your videos. This one is good, but would probably be challenging for some narrative work. If your camera is in a fixed position and your actors aren't moving a ton, it would work. But generally you're probably best off just hiding lavs around the set and on talent. :)
+Outstanding Pajamas! Agreed, it is only easy when you've got a static shot. Things get very complication when the camera and talent start moving around the frame.
Im new to this. I have Adobe Premiere Pro CC. Did you record two shots of the same dialogue and just used the video with out the boom and keep the audio from the one that had it? I guess Im confused as to the composite.
+Bryan Voss Hi Bryan, I did record two shots, but in the second one, I removed the microphone from the set and just sat there, no dialogue. That second one is used as a mask over the original shot, but just the parts of the frame without the microphone. Watch through a couple of times to see how that composite works.
+Curtis Judd Thank you and I will
Is there any simple way to do this without having the shot be static? I wouldn't think so, but maybe you know of a way. Perhaps you can add Camera Shake in editing if you really wanted it?
+Zionoth Not any simple things of which I am aware. Your idea of adding camera shake in post is clever.
What is that light on the stand on the right side of the frame? It looks to be using a Aputure Light Storm controller, but looks like a mono light, not any of the panel style Aputure has released so far...Do you have an unannounced Light Storm light?
+erik cantu No comment...yet. :)
Hey hey, help me out please! Shoot with 77D Canon, have Takstar shotgun mic, as soon as I put extension cable I bought yesterday the audio is destroyed with a strong noise...no cable is fine...?
Hi, some cables are not as good as others. I used a RODE VC1 cable in this video.
@@curtisjudd thanks so much for the reply! Just bought other cable and it seems to work fine but only if I don't use a monitor:) weard...
Do you use Pinnacle Suite video editing software? Have you even heard of it?
Hi Alan, I use Final Cut Pro X, DaVinci Resolve, and Adobe Premiere Pro. I have heard of Pnnacle but do not use it
what stand u using for the microphone?
That's an old Impact boom stand from B&H for holding lights and reflectors. I just adapted it here to hold the microphone. I wouldn't recommend it for microphones. It was a total hack job.
Masks are a godsend. When I shoot a plate, I always lock my settings off so nothing changes :)
+The Photo/Video Show Oh hey
Philippos Slicher What's crackin' :)
The Photo/Video Show Besides being almost ready to upload to youtube again....pretty much nothing.....I can't wait to post my color correction video :)
Philippos Slicher Word up! Crank it out!
The Photo/Video Show Hype hype!
bez E A ;) (with american names of the capital letters) Nice vid.
It makes no sense. How did you get the top video with the microphone removed?
+Tene Minis you physically pick up the mic and remove it from the scene and then record for 30 seconds.
Great, can you remove a Boom Mic from a wide shot by using DaVinci Resolve 12?
+Honer Zawita Good question, I'm not sure, will have to look into that.
+Curtis Judd, yes I would like to know that, thanks.
I actually saw this in the behind the scenes of House of Cards, i've always wondered how they do that!
+ItsKapow Yeah, pretty cool and not too difficult.
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+GG Camp Thanks for alerting me. A couple of months ago, my previous hosting company's servers were compromised so I suspect bitdefender hasn't updated since then. I submitted a request for them to re-look my new site. Thanks!
+Curtis Judd I'll let you know when they clear it.
+GG Camp Thank you.
+Curtis Judd Hi Curtis, same thing with Norton - love your work by the way
Can I do this is Davinci Resolve?
Yes, most certainly!
@@curtisjudd How?
@@wahabdilawar Well, that's more than I can cover in a UA-cam comment, but the main idea is to use a mask just like here.
When I mask it, only the mask shows unless I invert it. How do I show both?
When you mask the top layer, the lower layer should automatically show through. You have them layered?
I fixed that issue but when I put the clip too many times it slowly moves to the left and looks really weird. The reason I put the clip is that it wasn't shot for that long
Did the camera move during the long clip?
Good tip but what about moving wide shot i.e. where actors are moving :)
That's where green screen and compositing becomes a necessity.
or you just do it the way people have been doing it for decades now - get a boom operator
Not doing any work commercially yet so that is not an option :)
Great tutorial thanks! Also in film or video we use ADR voice over since it's a wide or master and far enough nobody really notices the mouth to dialog sync if off, and/or lavalieres too... Which could save you some editing time. At the end of the day.. Do What makes you feel comfortable and easier for you 👍
I'm always down to collab on big or small union projects as an actor, sound or producer. www.imdb.me/ricklee holler anytime!
Thanks Rick.
Pretty close to magic.
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The mistake you made actually makes for a better tutorial!
+Brendan Donnelly Thanks, that's what I hoped!
yeah, it's all fun and games until someone bumps into your camera and moves it!! this technique is great but it's just a disaster waiting to happen
Or just record to an audio recorder instead.