2021 Ducati Monster Breakdown - 'BUT WHATABOUT THE FRAME!?'
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Marty Scribner, Sales Manager at AMS Ducati Dallas takes on one of the most hotly debated topics on the internet ... is the new Ducati Monster a Ducati Monster. He talks us through the evolution of the Monster trellis frame and breaks down this brand new Monster.
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I have a 1200s, trellis frame, single sided swing arm, and big red tank. Just massively aggressive as a Monster should be.
Agree Neil..I have the white tank with trellis..classic frame
This is the best Monster overview video out there hands down. Great job. If you get me those replacement blinkers, TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!
Wow, thanks!
I’m glad my first Ducati Monster had the trellis frame, because when I was younger when I saw that in the movies or on TV I knew that was a Ducati. After your run down this reminds me of the front engine vs mid engine Corvette conversations I hear every day at the Chevy dealership. This is still a gorgeous bike and I’d buy one in a heartbeat! I’ll just have to paint parts of the frame red and that will be reminiscent enough for me haha!
Very well said. Gave a good idea and philosophy behind the Monster range. I own a 94 Monster. And I am very excited about the 937. As long as they keep it light, simple and a L twin, it is a monster. It is like the 996 switched to water cooled flat 6 for better cooling and packaging. They cant just keep selling the old products to the existing fans. They need to sell to new customers to keep the product alive. For those must have a trellis frame, there are plenty on the used market.
Well said!
My previous monster was a 797... It needed to lose some weight and this is exactly the change that needed to happen! Looking forward to getting on the new Monster!
Totally agree. I loved my 797+ (it was white with a black trellis frame just like in this video) a lot for it's look but it wasn't as good from performance standpoint. It was heavy (maybe not as heavy on a paper as it feels in real life), a bit bulky and it used to have a stupidly narrow steering lock.
Now I see they did a good job fixing what wasn't particularly good about that bike.
@@asmforce The weight distribution was absolutely terrible on the 797 and agreed with the steering lock. For a city commuter it wasn't designed well for city commuting. Besides those two things, loved it lol
Dude, its beautiful... This is the bike that originally turned me on to Ducati. It always looked like it was held together with magic and this one really hits that deconstructed, minimalist look. Most people are boring and can't handle change. lol. Dig the red on the wheels too... Currently LOVING my desert sled.
I love the headlight and technology, especially the lunch control 😍
Lunch control? It's launch control.
@@abyalex235 Hey, if it can make me a ham and cheese sandwich I'll put down my deposit right now!
@@acmhc8 😄
I’m hungry.
Damn! I'm getting fat. I NEEDED that lunch control!
great to see you back again talking us threw this, keep them coming
The hate comments are bizarre to say the least.
Great video and informative. Will be buying one soon!
Thanks Marty!
Thanks Lucas! Appreciate you.
Haters gonna hate. If they met me in person I doubt they would behave the same way. Thanks for the kind words
Absolutely. It’s a great video and you killed it. Keep em comin!
I'm looking forward seeing this one in red with the white stripe, I think it will look beautiful!
It’s a pretty bike, but with all due respect,I’m not convinced yet with the new design, I’m just in love with the previous design, my question is will the 1200 have the new design as the new monster or will it continue to have the trellis famed? Great video.👍👍
go test ride one. 👍
Just saw the M937 in the flesh and I have to say even though it doesn’t have the iconic trellis frame it’s still a really beautiful looking bike. I really like the fact it’s slimmer, sleeker and lighter.
I just bought one and it's incredible. The bike is light and fun, quick and beautiful. They nailed it. If you're thinking about it just pull the trigger!
It is a pure cost reduction measure for Ducati and is a bolt on job. But lower weight is a nice benefit even though trellis frames a more of a art work.
Dont forget that org monster was basically an air cooled ducati 851/888 that got replaced by 916/748 as Ducatis Sportbike.
Your videos are great. Love the info and the exhausts you add to your bikes. Thanks
Glad you like them!
I have the Plus in Aviator Grey. I love this bike.
still a great looking monster, and lighter now. Love it, sweet overview sir.
Right on!
Well you're pretty decent at your job because I clicked on the video doubtful of the new design and now I already want one😂
One year later and almost 7k miles...still loving mine 😎
Again, this guy is awesome, very informative
Appreciate that!
Better looking than I imagined after seeing it next to the other bikes.
I love the progression, I love my 2022 Multistrada V4s, but I don't understand this obsession with DRLs. They look cool in addition to your headlights, but it just seems wildly dangerous to have the headlight off during the day.
If I was back in the states I would buy from AMS Ducati Dallas Love watching all this geek info from Marty. Wish it was easy to do so and just ship up to Toronto. ( We don't really have a Ducati proper dealership here ). Montreal does have a nice one, but you guys really kill it will all this information.
Thanks and hello from up North.
Thank you!!
Thank you for the explanation. Makes sense. The new frame look is actually pretty awesome in its own right. Very nice!
The new Monster is sick!
Yes, yes it is.
Nicely done, and great presentation of the new Monster.
Thank you kindly!
Great Video! I will be test riding one tomorrow in Santa Barbara CA. Love that exhaust 💜.
To me, my 1200S looks and feels premium like a Ducati should. Trellis or no trellis, does not replace my bike or make me want it for many reasons such as looks & power.
Ok if Ducati wants to go another direction, it’s just not for me… and I am a 100% monster fan. I am being pushed up to a Streetfighter it appears, by Ducati, which is CONSIDERABLY more $$ than Monster 1200. I was hoping, along with many Monster 1200 owners that Ducati would do something for us faithful Monster guys, but this ain’t it. Sorry.
Great job on the video Marty and I completely understand your points. Thanks for the info! But it solidifies it for me that I’ll need to do something else when I am ready to purchase a new bike next year. I hope it’s successful for them and they hit their demographic. I’m not sure what I’ll buy now.
I have the same exact feeling. I have a 1200S and to me it is in every way much more superior to the new 2021. I'm sad they went this way, but hey ho.
Someone was riding (and falling) without gear! That's a nasty injury on your forearm dude!!!
Hopefully it will be a reliable bike. The one reason why I’m hesitant on getting one is because of electrical issues and not starting/bike shutting off. Other than that it’s a beautiful bike.
loving my 19' 821 Stealth, will i get the new one someday, maybe? not sure yet tbh. good review thx, quick question do you happen to know if that awesome headlight fits on my 19? :P cheers from Canada
The headlight is not plug and play prior generations. It's an entirely new lighting system that is integrated into the TFT dash / electronics package on the bike.
@@AMSDucatiDallas rgr thx
Good stuff Marty. The Termis sound sick! Ouch, what happened to your arm?
Volunteer dog house firefighting accident. No dogs were hurt in the fire.
Great video Marty. I was not too keen on the trellis but after your explanation, it all makes sense. Back to the essentials, love it! Any improvements in the heating from the exhaust part of the bike? My monster 821 burns my legs/thighs when riding!
Thanks for the comment. No noticeable change in heat dissipation. It's still a naked twin with a pipe under your right foot/leg.
That is oem italian seat and leg warmers
Multistrada, Streetfigtger, hypermotard, Panigale are my favorites Ducati series
Its a real nice bike! Cheers and thank you for the video!
Marty, what in the world happen to your arm?.....and thank's for the great vid's...I am looking forward to owning a Monster soon....
The older Monster was a little cramped for me, looking forward to test riding this version.
Let us know how you get on after that test ride!
Holy Shit!!! That exhaust sounded amazing. What does that type of exhaust cost?
3k with installation
You still don’t have the Monster as a drop-down selection for parts on your website. I’d like to order some accessories!
Give us a call! (214) 466-6540 We have plenty of Monster parts in stock and are working on updating our site with 2021+ models. Thanks!
I’ve watched and read an awful lot of reviews on the Monster and its history and I have to admit this is the best one. I purchased the same one you reviewed and IMO it ticks every box, Well done 👍🏾👏🏾. #NoTrellisFrameNoProblem
Couldn't agree more!
Don't really care about the frame. I love the monster because (in my eyes) it has a retro-modern look. This one is different. In my eyes it's more 'Japanese'...but ten times more stylish. Love it too... but also miss the retro character... Who cares if KTMs have more hp...
No trellis frame 😢
fuckin' Jesus, that scar on your arm is friggin' AWESOME...
Love love love love love love LOVE!! Mine.
Please , the Ducati Night Shift :p
You got it.
@@AMSDucatiDallas pure awesomeness !! thank you :p
Thanks for the video! Beautiful bike, I saw it yesterday at my local Ducati dealership. (Same color) btw what's the sound track you have playing in the background?
towards the end of the video
@@JoseRevenga Roof - So So (Instrumental Version)
@@AMSDucatiDallas Thank you!
My new Monster plus is coming in July - I sold my 2015 821 two months ago. To be honest I don't give a hoot about the trellis frame - so much fuss about nothing.
@Ben Daulton prettier duke!
Great job with the history. Loved it. As for the new Monster, Nah. I'll keep my black M1200R.
Never let her go!
If I bought one it would be for the trellis and single swing arm, it has the copy paste look of most bikes now. I own a SDR and feel the same about the post 2019 models. Love the look of the rear wheel without swing arm and short pipe. Granted technology advances but to disband an iconic style! Loose the weight by fitting carbon components as standard. Does the consumer really need or notice the extra bhp? It’s a street bike not a track bike. Looks nice but as a prospective buyer I’d go for the last of the 1200 single swing arm units. Personal choices!
Look at the curvy pipes … they got rid of those too , now the new monster is just like any other naked bike !
Great review! Does the bike run significantly cooler with the Termignoni full exhaust?
Let's take a look at the old Monster S4R (2005) and cry. All the good things that have been lost!
My only question about the trellis frame - or the lack thereof - is why didn't the new SuperSport 950 get the trellis frame?
That's the updated bike that should have received it.
Bro, in Europe we have the slim blinkers front and rear from stock, so it's not an EU regulation thing but some crazy US thing.
Hey Bro. You are correct. It is some crazy US thing. Aftermarket will help those buyers out who live in free states like Texas 👍
Great review. Did you mention price points for this and the plus option?
"In Texas we don't care about all that stuff" LOL :D
Great comparison and now very interested in the new Monster. Those Termignoni are they just slip ons
Full system 🙌
@@AMSDucatiDallas OK that explains why it sounds so darn good..👍
Monster losing the trellis frame really was a bummer it was it’s signature the rear composite subframe was okay but now it just looks a generic Japanese naked bike I get why the v4 or panigale series had to drop the trellis due to chasing number but I feel that naked bike classes like this peak performance is probably less important then the uniqueness of the experience.
Ducatis website shows two different Termignoni exhaust fir the Monster. Which one is on the Monster in this video?
amsducati.com/monster-937-termignoni-racing-silencer. The Termignoni Racing Silencer with the dedicated map. It is under sku 96481842AA
Since you mentioned the ktm 890r with the same weight. It has a trellis frame 😂. Trellis or not, the overall bike doesn’t stand out. The header coming from the front looks cheap AF. On the bright side it will be easy to change😊. I’m looking forward to see what the next generation 1200 looks like.
You make a great point about the 890... same weight and more power. I have to take my hat off to the KTM folk for that amazing bike. I wouldnt call Bologna lazy but they definitely chose the frame for their biggest weight loss. Speaking of loss...im at a loss as to what Ducati will do for a large Monster at this point. Its either 1200/60 DVT or V4 platform in my tiny little brain. Maybe they have a new motor in the works! Anyways, great point on the 890 with trellis!!! MS
I’m thinking they might give the new 1200/s the V4 with around 170-180hp. Don’t think the want to extract that much power out of a 2 cylinder. It will vibrate you fillings out😂.
@@MadaraUchiha-fg6pz haha! Would be killer though!
Yep.
The main issue I have is the non adj suspension at this price point. Competing with the less $ MT09 SP
The new Monster is obviously better in terms of performance, as the outgoing model. But, it looks like a pile of plastic in person.
@Ben Daulton It’s not tall at all, but looks super cheap in person. Again, far too much plastic everywhere. Performance is impressive, but design wise. Ducati are starting to really become bland.
That burn on your arm is meaner than the bike.
Someone has been riding without full gear on! That's one nasty spill you've taken my friend!
I'm just worried about your arm. nasty road rash!
It was a bengal tiger incident a few weeks ago. Should heal up just fine.
You just sold me that bike Marty, I wish I could live in Dallas to test ride it. Here in chicago they don`t have a demo version...
How much inches adds the raised seat option?
Love it Ruski! The raised seat option (sku 96880971BA) increases the height by 20mm. Grab a southwest flight from Midway into Love Field Dallas for a couple hundo and spend the weekend in Dallas riding with us! We have a demo unit and can order/ship your bike back to Chicago for you 👍
@@AMSDucatiDallas I`m planning to move to Fort Worth in near future so I`ll definitely stop by ;)
How you compare it to the new Triumph street triple RS ?
Very informative video ❤️ from 🇮🇳 brother
Thanks ✌️
The trellis frame looked cool, but technology has made it outdated. Things evolve. Those clamoring for a trellis frame, would you sacrifice performance to keep it?
That's meaningless. The looks is what made the monster do successful amongst men and women. I can't see this one being as successful amongst women. This looks like any other Japanese not a monster. It doesn't matter if tech has moved on, ducati have plenty of bikes that are state of the art people can buy. Im sure this is a great bike but it's a Big fail this is imo
@@pippo-1073 I feel the bike is fine… maybe just call it the streetfighter v2??? Keep production on monster 1200 going
Yes I would, all day
Definitely going for a 2nd hand Ducati now lol
Great video
What do you think this does better than the 21 Mt09 now that the Yamaha also has the IMU from the R1 and just as much torque for a little less money? Not slamming the ducati just need to be talked into buying. Thanks!
that some nasty lookin road rash you got there on your arms bud..
Crocodile bite actually.
Looks like he came off the bike. I got one too but mine is real gnarly. I used say it's a shark bite
@@honeycombpot lol you'd think he'd know better..
That is some serious road rash. I hope the bike is ok.
Was gonna say. I'm shocked by people who ride super expensive bikes without gear.
Is the frame the same as a panagali.
I'm 32. Sure, I loved the red trellis, but I am all up for the new Monster.
Finally someone understands! The monster was never a trellis frame bike, it was a bits bike with parts from the sports bikes (frame), parts from the road bikes (motor) and striped down. The gen 4 monster is more of a true monster than the Gen 2 and 3 imo.
It's the headlight that turns me off, and onto the sfv2.
I am not a fan of naked bikes, but Ducati is doing it right! I am digging the the vib of this bike! Darth Vader it up!
Can you do an overview of the panigale v2
You spoke of “break-in” service, 9000 mile service, 18000 mile Desmo service… what do these cost roughly? I don’t have a dealer close to me , so it’s very inconvenient to have to take it to a dealer very often. Does it void warranty if you do the first service yourself?
It's best to call your nearest dealer as pricing on labor may be different from state to state / country to country. 👍
Nice road rash
Looks like a Japanese bike... no more Italian flair :(
Those blinkers are US spec only 😉
Must have the exhaust. Emailed!
LFG!
@Marty what happened to your right forearm?
Alligator wrestling incident.
Do you have a part number for the Termignoni exhaust on that Monster?
Does dropping the cat for the race pipe cool the riders seat when driving? I picked up mine today here in CT , 88 degrees today and the heat rolling up from the rear cylinder and the cat below the seat are crazy.
You will still have heat coming off that pipe with or without the cat.
if this model is the plus version, I also receive the passenger seat in the box ?
Termis look great but how long you guys think until competition werkes, sc project, akrapovic, toce, etc release at least a slip on for this model????
no clue. hit them up and ask. 🤷🏻♂️
would it be cool for pillion riders?
Was that sound with or without db killers?
if the tank was kept similar to the old design it would have been an amazing bike. Rear tail looks cheap, and an afterthought. This new look is ugly, not interested at all. New headlight looks amazing
Nice !!
Good to hear 18k on Desmo $$$.
according to what you say about the original monster this new streetfighter does exactly that
what happened to the right hand?
Tripped while walking through an active lava flow 🔥.
@@AMSDucatiDallas get well soon
Missing the T frame
wondering, what happened to the right hand....
Ok fine, why lose the single sided swing arm? Why the styling taken directly from the Japanese competition? Monsters had so much character. And these new bikes have lost that, and yes I’ve ridden both. It looks cheap. The power has been dumbed down. Compared to the 150bhp from the 1200s/r. What happened to the full ohlins? Let’s not kid ourselves ducati has given up on the monster for now, but I hope it makes a come back in the future. Sad times.
We’re did you guys get the ecu flash for the exhaust my Ducati dealer I bought the new monster said the exhaust was not available more was there a flash out
We have plenty of the full systems in stock. In the full Termignoni exhaust box, there is a USB fob with the racing evo program for the Monster. When you turn on a stock Monster, all you will see is the Ducati crest but when the full system is properly installed, text displays 'RACING EVO' on startup. Give me an email at marty@advancedmotorsports.com if you need additional help here. I can send over images to you showing the differences.
@@AMSDucatiDallas do you guys also have the termignoni slip on and would it come with the ecu flash for remapping?
Keep it.
Hey look, it's the new Ducati MT-09
never heard that one before 🙄
@@AMSDucatiDallas sorry guys. I get what you're saying in this video. I just bought a 2020 821 Stealth. Some trellis frame is better than no trellis frame, from a stylistic standpoint.