In Washington state they cancelled our spring bear hunting. The populations are exploding right now while elk and deer populations are dwindling. I’ve never seen such a poorly run state 🤦♂️
Just because a population gets larger to reach the same population it USED to be doesn’t mean it’s a problem. Same with deer populations falling, it’s about reaching a balance, not keeping it the same forever
You can go deeper with that theory with hunting. You can tack on that if they essentially legislate hunting out of the equation, that's just one more avenue to attack the 2nd. Even though it has nothing to do with hunting, that still provides them the cover to run agit prop like "you don't even hunt anymore!!!" No need for firearms (or certain firearms) little by little.
They don't like any type of self-sufficiency. Farming, gardening, homesteading, ffs some places regulate rain water collection. You know, rain from the sky? These sick people want to regulate THAT even.
You aren’t a retired cattle rancher, you’re a liar. What a strange thing to lie about. And joe won’t even read your comment, why lie in such a public manner?
I grew up on a cattle ranch and can well remember being with my dad when we found calf or deer remains and the call going out to cow hands, neighbors to be on the look out for coyotes and/or wolves. These are predators.
Im a hunter. We are indeed the best people on earth and government won't stop us from exercising our gods given rights !!! We are top of the food chains
@@tokebak4291your weird trophy hunter just be honest quit doing fuck up shit to other beings who whole life is to just be like you just said you a hole there also top of the top trying to live there’s life’s and you can do so without interfering
Yeah. And also in Texas Rattle Snakes no longer rattle because of this same mind set. Why don't you go lion hunting with a bow? Answer: Because you're a.. man. Fuck a perfectly balanced eco system, right? The important thing is that chickens and sheep survive.
I'm an animal rights activist, currently inactive, but hunting and wildlife control falls under animal rights. Hunting is important in a lot of places for a whole number of reasons.
@@pyromaniac407 bud Cougars and wolves are my favorite animals. YES WE NEED TO HUNT THEM. They check the deer, cougars and wolves check eachother, we check both of them. Nature is about balance. Our role is keeping predators from overpopulating.
Nature doesn’t need us interfering. Humans interfering with nature is what’s throwing everything off kilter. George Carlin had the right idea. The problem is us. Once we’re gone the way of the Dodo the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, right itself and keep going
@@herrikudocorrect it’s about balance. Us humans killing everything because we don’t like them or because “they harm our livelihood,” is not balance. Starvation, thirst, predators, and disease are balance. Humans are predators that take more than we need and kill for no real reason. To add, no I’m not a city slicker I live in the Midwest and I’m actually a bat scientist. I love hunting, fishing, and any other outdoor activities but I don’t believe in killing things just because we have the ability to.
Cougars are so elusive and hard to find there’s almost no way to do an actual count on how many are even out there. There is no shortage of them, they’re just very good at not being seen.
My old neighbor in NorCal was feeding the mountain lions. Couple of times I heard a creepy screech thinking I was on Blair Witch project. Was told it was probably the mountain lions
yeah they make the craziest sounds when they are in heat. It literally sounds like a possessed witch or something lol. If you hear that at night while camping and don't know what that is, you'll be convinced the woods are haunted.
Oh yeah, imagine being in a treestand when its dark and you hear that noise moving back and forth behind you less than 100 yards away. And that is why i carry a handgun when i bow hunt. (Btw im in NW Iowa)
@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Imagine 2 of 'em intercepting you on the road way out in the woods and stopping in front of you staring you down... then one head signals to the other and it suddenly turns 90 degrees positioning for a flanking maneuver
@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Affirmative, I had a .40 on me at the time but didn't think I could dispatch 2 of them if things went wrong...I took the Bear defense theory and upped to a 10mm now....Dang them suckers are BIG when they are only 20 feet away
I lived in California most of my life, and from 1965 mountain lions started destroying the deer herds in California and have gotten out of control. But if you listen to experts, they say that's not true. Well, let's go to Atascadero California and I will show you how out of control it is.
Deer are out of control here. They're all over the highway making it dangerous to drive at night. I'd love some predators. And no we can't hunt our way out of the population crisis.
@@thomasfarmer8686if done properly you can absolutely hunt your way out of a population crisis of any given species. If done improperly you end up with the whole coyote deal
Hey Joe, tell your guests some states you do have to report outcome of your hunt season. Here in Oregon you have to report outcome of deer, elk, bear etc. and the unit hunted or you pay a fine the next season when u buy tag and license.
We’re having multiple mountain lion sightings a year now in interior Alaska, which I think coincides with fact that some deer species are moving farther north.
It was a magic podcast having these 2 legends sit down together. I know there was some friction between the 2, and I hope that is no more and we can expect some collabs.
Mountain lions regulate their own population by themselves just fine, just like every other animal. Very territorial, one cat covers huge terrain. Not like they are densely populating any one given area.
This is the problem with everyone getting a say in laws. Most people don't know enough about complex topics to have a valuable input, they just go off of emotion.
@@user-yn1dc9nw3zhe’s actually right. They complexify core structures of civilization on purpose… with the goal of creating a force field to keep 99% from having any capacity to accurately cause change. Knowledge Gates. It’s the illusion of public government… Genius.
Yep. Saw one about 6 years ago playing disc golf south of Kalamazoo in Three Rivers. Honestly thought I was schizophrenic having hallucinations because I didn’t think they were supposed to be anywhere close to that area.
Go to pull off number 13 in Garden of the Gods, CO. Round the corner about 100 yards into the trail and listen closely. Hearing a cougar growl without being able to see it was by far the most belittling thing I have ever experienced.
I had a white mountain lion in my back yard a month ago. Got a quick video and had a enhancement still made. 2 witnesses with 7 x 50 Nikon , a video and a still, contacted the local conservation agent, he would not give the time of day.
I know both sides of the argument pretty well. My grandfather killed over 3,000 wolves in Alaska as a part of trapping, guiding, and as a gun for hire with the USFWS on predator control. I worked for an outfitter for a minute and didn't like the industry at all. Trophy hunters exist, and I call them killers rather than hunters. They just want to kill shit for the bragging rights. And, they don't want to put in the time and energy to honestly hunt. At the end of the day there is a big difference between hunters and killers. The industry tends to market itself to the latter.
of course trophy hunters exist, there is big money in industry. wolves can be managed w/out amateur hunters getting a adrenaline rush and photo ops IMHO.
@@acjohn6995 I'm not big on calling them "scum bags," What they are is elitists. They have a ticket for sale that is required by the state. The "guide" has a "hunter" without any knowledge of how to trek. That's $18,000 from Spain for nothing. The hit man wanted to pick a bear from the herd we brought into camp. He wasn't a hunter.
I have a different view when it comes to the big game preserves in Africa. With how those countries are it seems that’s the only way to keep those species alive in those areas
Tucker has become more mainstream since leaving mainstream media.🤣He asked the longest sitting president of our time to talk about AI? Tucker questioning to Putin was awful. I found it comical when Putin brought up Jewish history that's when Tucker decided to cut him off. Comical
Why don't they just stretch out the season And encourage more out-of-area hunters. It would create more revenue and potentially boost your local economy.
Why would one hunt a Mountain (or any) Lion... except for "lion-kiling-experience" or trophy? Are you guys saying you need to kill a lion to put food on table??
They are full of it , they are trying to drag in food availability and ranchers to justify killing them for sport. They also think deers are going to go extinct because of the mt. Lions. They are fear mongering
People technically don’t need to hunt to put food on the table anymore, so lots of hunting is both food and the hunting experience. You are also forgetting population control. Also people eat mountain lion
February 9th article in the Capital Press about Washington State Fish and Wildlife, the Colville Tribe, and wolves. The tribe is sending 15 wolves to Colorado next year. Too bad our governor isn’t going with them. Steve, Joe, and Cam you guys are awesome! Don’t ever stop! Thank you.
In Germany they will have large hunts when there is an over population that is adversely affecting crops and the like. They have found a way to keep it in the middle most of the time. Mountain lions are my favorite animal, they are just so beautiful.
Wolves have been in Colorado for at least 15 years, I know because I have seen more than one. Wolves aren't over harvesting either... look what they did in Yellowstone. Wolves pushed they herd back to where they need to be and created a better balance to the system. Look up Aldo Leopold and what created the wilderness that we all enjoy
It’s funny to me how much of a gatekeeper Joe is when it comes to bow hunting. As a life long bow hunter and hunting guide in New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas…we aren’t elitist like Joe is. Joe is the picture perfect example of someone who came into the hunting world late in life and now tries to inflate his own self worth as a hunter by acting as if only the best, most in shape, and disciplined people can do it. Anyone can learn to bow hunt. You don’t need a mantra and you’re not sub par if you use a whisker biscuit. If you ambush hunt, or hunt in a stand you’re not less of a hunter than some who does still/stalk hunting. You don’t have to hike 5 miles into the backcountry. You can hunt in your back 40 and it’s just as valid. It’s really funny to listen to Joe on this topic because he really isn’t as well versed as he thinks he is…he just repeats what he hears other people say. The guys a goofball. Everybody should learn to hunt…even if that means sitting in a blind with a feeder. As long as you’re ethical, safe, and careful about which animal you choose to take.
I live in a teeny little town in Colorado with nothing but blue skies, sagebrush, and mesa landscapes. Two months ago, I found pugmarks, lion prints, right outside my back door.
Up here in Quebec, we used to have mountain lion populations and even a brown bear population, but they were all wiped out (as far as we know) about 60 years ago. This was their natural eastern range, and it’s a shame they have been wiped out due to “they are bad and scary”. You need to be careful as to not extinct a population for the sake of some farmers. This isn’t the early 20th century, we can figure out new ways to figure out population balance.
I live in remote Powder River County with one side of the farm's fences the border of Custer National Forest. I loathe to be too specific in case some hunter sees this but regardless, I have a suspected lion den about ... ?5,000 yards from cabin? Perfect cave excavated out under debris in an ancient dump. Lots in area by tracks and rancher sightings; I'm new here. Just into private property but CNF only yards away leading to prime hunting habit in forested canyons beyond. Luckily this is a chunk that is a logistic nightmare to access, requiring miles of backtrack after a legal crossing w/o roads or trails. Unless they go through this land that touches a corner. Then it's a 15 minute hike. Last year I allowed 2 parties due to their being new, respectful and wide-eyed newbies. Damn if they didn't get their trophy elks within a HOUR. 6-12 big bulls still up there but no more permissions. Locked gate and sign this year so I don't risk allowing it; I can be a softie if I sense good people. Yammer aside, the lions have NEVER caused a problem despite loose cats and lots of various livestock. Leave them alone.
cam and rinella together? ive been waiting for this for a long time. Is there a reason why they dont interact more, or was there a reason? It seems like they should be best buds lol
Prob cuz rinella is overbearing, talks to much, thinks he knows everything, and a lil conceited. Both alpha types but cam doesn’t think he’s a know it all unlike rinella. If you’ve ever been around a person like that, it’s draining.
@@Buddystemzthat’s just how you feel about him. In reality, he’s an extremely smart man and a seasoned hunter in every aspect of the game. You’re just a hater
@@Buddystemz being a “know it all” and actually knowing it all are two mutually exclusive things. Steve knows it all. And he informs others of things that he knows. Again, you’re just a hater. And judging by your last comment, you’re on par with the average American (stupid)
I'm not a hunter but the Rogan podcasts over the years have helped to open my eyes and educate me on hunting. It is one way to put food on the table. I am able to see hunting in a more balanced way. Previous to these podcasts I only heard from the one side.
There's a difference between ethical hunting, non-predator hunting for food, and predator hunting, trapping, or hounding aka trophy hunting which is barbaric, inhumane, and unethical.
I love how Joe can get professional hunters in, they teach him what they know and he's an expert. I cant do that. I dont have any connections with any good hunters. Hunting near me is almost impossible.
An acquaintance of mine has a son who is a taxidermist in Montana. To boost his business, his mother thought it would be a good idea if she shot a mountain lion for him to mount for his studio.. This is the part that I am against, they hire someone with dogs to find a mountain lion and tree the animal. They called her on the phone and she went to the general area where they located her and took her to where the mountain lion was in the tree and she shot it because she had a apparently a license to take a mountain lion. Hunting is one thing doing it like this is not my cup of tea.. I told her you must be real proud of yourself for doing this. No one in our circles of acquaintances or friends thought this was a great idea that she had.
Hi Joe, I'm from Germany and love to watch your podcasts. I imagine if you invite Billy Carson to you and discuss his research of Annunaki and the origins of humankind, based on recent discoveries. Hope you will see it. Have a good one
How about them thinking it's a good idea to introduce Grizzly bears in Northern Arizona animal population. I'd rather only have the Black Bears, especially when having one walk up on me and only being about 20 yards away from me. Scary shit
Mounting Lions attacked a couple dogs recently in summit county Colorado. Mitigation is key! Sitting on the Polis just wanted credit for the reintroduction of wolves even though they came in naturally....
I was a supervisor/volunteer coordinator at a wildlife sanctuary and have been working with wildlife for over 10 years. None of these guys are wildlife experts, mountain lions are a keystone species. Many other species rely on them directly or indirectly to survive. Absolutely no need to hunt mountain lions, there’s tons of game animals to hunt. It’s a natural predation that occurs when mountain lions are hunting they’re not devastating deer populations.
@@worldobserver3515 Mountain lions eat deer as they have for 1000’s of years. These are species that have evolved together and as a result they have a natural balance with the each other
@@worldobserver3515 recent studies conducted on mountain lions shows no change in their diet or population. They don’t just eat deer, feral pigs, javelinas, coyotes, bighorn sheep and many others are also on the menu.
@@worldobserver3515 There are many states that have out of control deer populations. Not that long ago there was some talk in the state of Maine where they were considering reintroducing mountain lions. I'm not sure if you've ever been there, but the vast majority of the state is incredibly rural and barely populated, so it could potentially work. I even saw something very similar with New Jersey, but this was quickly dismissed due to how developed the state was.
PETA had massive protest in an area of my state many years ago that year they canceled the Fall deer hunting season the result was more dear died from starvation and malnutrition than if they were managed through hunting responsible hunting
It’s true. And if there was a healthy, controlled (by hunting) predator population then the deer wouldn’t starve as much. More of them would be prey to predators.
"Nobody does that", Yes.. they do.. I live in Australia, and a friend of mine worked as a 'deckie' on a Super yacht which travelled a ludicrous distance for seemingly no purpose.. only for him to find out they'd brought back the taxidermy of an endangered species (which the owner had shot) from one country back to the owner's estate in Texas (US).. running costs were x6figures to do that journey.
I disagree with they all hate hunters, I have a lot of friends who are animal rights activists, they don’t hate hunting of deer, elk, pronghorn, sheep, moose and etc, they hate hunting of bears, mountain lion, coyote and wolves for some reason, but let’s be honest, there a lot of hunters who hate animal rights activist, it’s both sides. Yes I’m a big game hunter also.
it is still a trophy if you post it on instagram is the way I see it. They aren't hunting for food, they can get food from the store. They are hunting cause they want to kill shit (with no real effort either)
@@goofy855 my point is they aren't hunting for food since they can get food much easier by just buying it. They are rich, they don't need to kill they just do it cause they want to feel something and they've made it their identity.
My family and I went camping out at Turquoise Lake in Colorado a few years ago. Long story short, we had to leave around 2 in the morning. I’m ABSOLUTELY positive I seen a wolf coming down the mountain. He or she was so freaking beautiful. Absolutely massive dog I was so excited and freaked out at the same time I yelled out loud and woke up the wife and kids lol.
I can understand to keep mountain lion population in check. I don't think mountain lions have any known predators except man. But they are beautiful animals and they do eat other animals to keep that population in check as well.
Where I live people are told Mountain Lions aren’t around but they are. They’re just rare enough to where interactions between them and domesticated animals like cattle, goats and horses are a rare occurrence. People don’t actively hunt them, but sometimes an unwanted encounter does occur. I myself have only had three encounters with a lion and only one of those situations resulted in serious injury to a horse and an unfortunate incident that resulted in the lions deletion from the census
I did a lion hunt in Nevada. It was a serious process I’d only do once. I went to Vegas afterwards and met an Uber driver from Cameroon. He had no idea he moved from lions to mountain lions and we had a good laugh about it
I live in Colorado and I hunt. My buddies and I are absolutely pissed about the wolves and the stupid predator hunting crap. They’re just trying to mess with the hunters, they do not want you getting your own food in any way.
I live in Louisville KY and my wife and I almost hit a mountain lion within a half mile from our house. It was hunting deer and probably sheep at a farm nearby. These animals are very good at staying hidden. There's more of them around than people know
It would be interesting to interview a biologist who specializes in wild game such as elk and who is also a keen hunter...this would be really cool to listen to.
Because if u don’t have hunters killing them they’d multiply in crazy numbers to where we’d see them try to enter civilizian because there wouldn’t be enough small animals among the years to eat bud
Great to see Rinella on the show again! Cam seems like a great guy, but not very interesting when Joe just has Cam on the show only. Steve is a great story-teller so his presence really adds a lot to the overall conversation. Entertaining show as a result!!
Great point that Cameron makes that hunters are not very supportive of each other. The environmental and activist groups that try to ban things like Mt. Lion hunting feed off of this fact. They know we will not ban together well. So I fully agree with these guys that hunters need to do better particularly if we want great conservation to continue to happen. Like the conservation that TR, Grinnell, and others have given to us to steward.
Trophy hunting is killing stuff you don’t eat. You do it for the pelt or mount. Most people are opposed to that, 70-75%. Look at east WA and OR, where they came in on their own. Friction is just as bad.
Leave cougars alone.
They just want to have a few drinks and find a younger guy to take home.
Eye of the cougar make you love long tine.
F that
😂
Full winter bush !
😂😂
In Washington state they cancelled our spring bear hunting. The populations are exploding right now while elk and deer populations are dwindling. I’ve never seen such a poorly run state 🤦♂️
That's on purpose. Bet those cricket farms start popping up in the PNW.
Have you looked at California
And Biden wants to put grizzlys back in your woods.
Agree
Just because a population gets larger to reach the same population it USED to be doesn’t mean it’s a problem. Same with deer populations falling, it’s about reaching a balance, not keeping it the same forever
You can go deeper with that theory with hunting. You can tack on that if they essentially legislate hunting out of the equation, that's just one more avenue to attack the 2nd. Even though it has nothing to do with hunting, that still provides them the cover to run agit prop like "you don't even hunt anymore!!!" No need for firearms (or certain firearms) little by little.
They don't like any type of self-sufficiency. Farming, gardening, homesteading, ffs some places regulate rain water collection. You know, rain from the sky? These sick people want to regulate THAT even.
Bingo!!
Absolutely!
Take it one step farther... No training act is also up by the left. No hunting, no training, no firearms.... they have no idea or maybe they do.
That's always been the aim of all anti-hunter legislation. No hunting? You don't need guns.
Holy shit, cam and Steve I’ve needed this colab.
I will fight a mountain lion for each like.
If you were a bear or gorilla, you’d get more likes.
Spammy you'll get the annoyin virus skibbity papped outta you, big cat style 😂😂
@@sweetbuttergeminine4756Aka the 💩💩💩💩💩 poped out you 😅😂
Each like = Number of Mountain lions you fight?
You got this bro
counting days until JRE is finally back on youtube baby
How many days left?
@@prolly2stoned420 Joe said episode will comeback yo UA-cam "in the coming weeks"
Yeah where UA-cam will censor the hell out of it like they do everything else
City people make everything worse. Selfish and ignorant.
@@povilas6403 appreciate you big dawg
thank You Joe!! Im a retired cattle rancher from Az. I appreciate You having the courage to host this dialog
You aren’t a retired cattle rancher, you’re a liar. What a strange thing to lie about. And joe won’t even read your comment, why lie in such a public manner?
I grew up on a cattle ranch and can well remember being with my dad when we found calf or deer remains and the call going out to cow hands, neighbors to be on the look out for coyotes and/or wolves.
These are predators.
We in Colorado have been run over by Communists HELP!!!!
It takes no courage to stay in your comfort zone lol
@@bugsthompsonAre you in the zone?
The ads are out of control on Spotify. Like seriously.
Paying for premium to remove ads just to get more 😂
@@3masouriback in the day you could watch a 3 hour podcast on UA-cam and only see two 30 second ads for the whole show.
Rinella and Hanes together its Christmas!
I'm not even a hunter and podcasts like this fascinate me. More testosterone in that room then Wrestlemania 88 lol
@@Semenofthefallhell yeah!! Me too!! Woo-hoo!! But also *than ya know?
Just say “it’s coming right for us!”
classic
The control of minds and information is more powerful and more effective than any physical weapon in existence.
Im a hunter. We are indeed the best people on earth and government won't stop us from exercising our gods given rights !!! We are top of the food chains
@@tokebak4291luckily a lot of game wardens are perfectly chill with that. They won’t stop anyone that is clearly just trying to feed their family.
The European fears are still present in the American psyche.
@@tokebak4291your weird trophy hunter just be honest quit doing fuck up shit to other beings who whole life is to just be like you just said you a hole there also top of the top trying to live there’s life’s and you can do so without interfering
@@mitchellboring2709what fears in particular?
Rinella is the best. I’d like to see him in the show more often.
It is strange to me as a Texan, hearing people talk about needing tags for Mountain Lions, in Texas they are classed as a Varmint no tags no season.
Cat Lives Matter!
Yeah. And also in Texas Rattle Snakes no longer rattle because of this same mind set. Why don't you go lion hunting with a bow? Answer: Because you're a.. man. Fuck a perfectly balanced eco system, right? The important thing is that chickens and sheep survive.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Damn he got steve and cam
HAHAHA. My comment has been removed. As they talk about controlling the narrative. This is fing hilarious.
I'm an animal rights activist, currently inactive, but hunting and wildlife control falls under animal rights. Hunting is important in a lot of places for a whole number of reasons.
hunting grazers is important sure, hunting of predator species isn't. It has way more to do with ranchers and bragging rights.
@@pyromaniac407 bud Cougars and wolves are my favorite animals. YES WE NEED TO HUNT THEM. They check the deer, cougars and wolves check eachother, we check both of them. Nature is about balance. Our role is keeping predators from overpopulating.
Nature doesn’t need us interfering. Humans interfering with nature is what’s throwing everything off kilter.
George Carlin had the right idea. The problem is us. Once we’re gone the way of the Dodo the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, right itself and keep going
@@pyromaniac407clearly you don't have a farm. You probably live in the city but you feel you're opinion is more important than facts.
@@herrikudocorrect it’s about balance. Us humans killing everything because we don’t like them or because “they harm our livelihood,” is not balance. Starvation, thirst, predators, and disease are balance. Humans are predators that take more than we need and kill for no real reason.
To add, no I’m not a city slicker I live in the Midwest and I’m actually a bat scientist. I love hunting, fishing, and any other outdoor activities but I don’t believe in killing things just because we have the ability to.
Cougars are so elusive and hard to find there’s almost no way to do an actual count on how many are even out there. There is no shortage of them, they’re just very good at not being seen.
They’re even showing up in cities now. We had one in the basement of a house under construction.
@@gungadingo yup, one got hit by a car a couple months ago on 394 just outside of downtown Minneapolis near where I live. Crazy.
Oh, we have a cougar specialist here!
@@gungadingostop lying. What a strange thing to lie about. Liar.
@@codyhaar1966what a fake story. Stoping lying. No one believes that story. What a strange thing to lie about
"ITS COMIN' RIGHT FOR US!!"
My old neighbor in NorCal was feeding the mountain lions. Couple of times I heard a creepy screech thinking I was on Blair Witch project. Was told it was probably the mountain lions
yeah they make the craziest sounds when they are in heat. It literally sounds like a possessed witch or something lol. If you hear that at night while camping and don't know what that is, you'll be convinced the woods are haunted.
Oh yeah, imagine being in a treestand when its dark and you hear that noise moving back and forth behind you less than 100 yards away. And that is why i carry a handgun when i bow hunt. (Btw im in NW Iowa)
@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Imagine 2 of 'em intercepting you on the road way out in the woods and stopping in front of you staring you down... then one head signals to the other and it suddenly turns 90 degrees positioning for a flanking maneuver
@@drd1924 stay strapped
@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Affirmative, I had a .40 on me at the time but didn't think I could dispatch 2 of them if things went wrong...I took the Bear defense theory and upped to a 10mm now....Dang them suckers are BIG when they are only 20 feet away
Great podcast 👍, Greetings from Whitetail Deer 🦌 Country here in Wisconsin 🇺🇸👍
I lived in California most of my life, and from 1965 mountain lions started destroying the deer herds in California and have gotten out of control. But if you listen to experts, they say that's not true. Well, let's go to Atascadero California and I will show you how out of control it is.
Even down here in Sacramento, we get sightings of mountain lions in Discovery Park from time to time.
@@thesebadseeds Thank you!
Deer are out of control here. They're all over the highway making it dangerous to drive at night. I'd love some predators. And no we can't hunt our way out of the population crisis.
Bullshit!
@@thomasfarmer8686if done properly you can absolutely hunt your way out of a population crisis of any given species. If done improperly you end up with the whole coyote deal
steve rinellas voice sounds like if bert cleared his throat
... dead
Them Hazard boys at it again
Hazzard
hazerd
Daisy duke
More like Damned Yankees. Rinella is from west Michigan. A far cry from the confederate south
Coy and Vance
Hey Joe, tell your guests some states you do have to report outcome of your hunt season. Here in Oregon you have to report outcome of deer, elk, bear etc. and the unit hunted or you pay a fine the next season when u buy tag and license.
Yup, had to pay that stupid fine a couple years ago. 😑
We’re having multiple mountain lion sightings a year now in interior Alaska, which I think coincides with fact that some deer species are moving farther north.
The thumbnail is pure comedy! Lmao all of their facial expressions are hilarious
I heard more common sense in the first 5-6 minutes of this podcast than I have in the last 24 hrs on UA-cam... 💯 Cam & Steve droppin' knowledge !
The way he said “husband”. Hahaa😂
Weak
It was a magic podcast having these 2 legends sit down together. I know there was some friction between the 2, and I hope that is no more and we can expect some collabs.
Mountain lions regulate their own population by themselves just fine, just like every other animal. Very territorial, one cat covers huge terrain. Not like they are densely populating any one given area.
This is the problem with everyone getting a say in laws. Most people don't know enough about complex topics to have a valuable input, they just go off of emotion.
democracy is a mistake
He’s not smart ? You sure about that ?
@@user-yn1dc9nw3z Said the guy with bad grammar, punctuation and sentence structure.🤦
@@user-yn1dc9nw3zhe’s actually right. They complexify core structures of civilization on purpose… with the goal of creating a force field to keep 99% from having any capacity to accurately cause change. Knowledge Gates. It’s the illusion of public government… Genius.
Ya or religious indoctrination
JRE coming back to UA-cam!
Welcome back your podcast on Apple and UA-cam!
Finally…Cam & Steve
Full JRE podcasts are coming back to youtube!
We have cougars in the eastern Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Not the kind that are middle aged woman dating young men, but the actual big cat.
Lower Pen has em as well. DNR were adamant about them not being in Osceola county. Even though many hunters had pics of em from trail cams. SMH.
Technically, not a big cat. Cougars are members of the Filidae clade, and not the Pathera clade (big cats).
They’re in Ohio for sure
Yep. Saw one about 6 years ago playing disc golf south of Kalamazoo in Three Rivers. Honestly thought I was schizophrenic having hallucinations because I didn’t think they were supposed to be anywhere close to that area.
South Texas has a lot cougars…and I’m not talking about the Big Cats 😅
Go to pull off number 13 in Garden of the Gods, CO. Round the corner about 100 yards into the trail and listen closely. Hearing a cougar growl without being able to see it was by far the most belittling thing I have ever experienced.
Look up. They are never where your eye level will be.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@thokim84 Thats the way I heard it too, the Loggers have noted that you may walk by 5 of them in a day out in the woods and never even know it.
I had a white mountain lion in my back yard a month ago. Got a quick video and had a enhancement still made. 2 witnesses with 7 x 50 Nikon , a video and a still, contacted the local conservation agent, he would not give the time of day.
What drugs are these guys taking? They are talking down dumb. Is it to a particular audience?
I know both sides of the argument pretty well. My grandfather killed over 3,000 wolves in Alaska as a part of trapping, guiding, and as a gun for hire with the USFWS on predator control.
I worked for an outfitter for a minute and didn't like the industry at all. Trophy hunters exist, and I call them killers rather than hunters. They just want to kill shit for the bragging rights. And, they don't want to put in the time and energy to honestly hunt.
At the end of the day there is a big difference between hunters and killers. The industry tends to market itself to the latter.
of course trophy hunters exist, there is big money in industry. wolves can be managed w/out amateur hunters getting a adrenaline rush and photo ops IMHO.
There are countless hunters that give real hunting a bad reputation. Steven is one of them. 🤣
Courageous of you to speak the truth. Game ranches and trophy hunters are scumbags.
@@acjohn6995
I'm not big on calling them "scum bags," What they are is elitists. They have a ticket for sale that is required by the state. The "guide" has a "hunter" without any knowledge of how to trek.
That's $18,000 from Spain for nothing. The hit man wanted to pick a bear from the herd we brought into camp. He wasn't a hunter.
I have a different view when it comes to the big game preserves in Africa. With how those countries are it seems that’s the only way to keep those species alive in those areas
Just waiting for the full episodes to be back on UA-cam
get the spotify buddy
@@jussihamalainen6920No need, it’s already back on Apple and coming back to UA-cam 🔥
@@jussihamalainen6920 The fact these people cannot instal FREE app is just staggering
It will be censored, for sure.
Rogan’s spotify exclusivity is ending
Joe get tucker on your podcast. We want to hear about his Russia trip.
Tucker has become more mainstream since leaving mainstream media.🤣He asked the longest sitting president of our time to talk about AI? Tucker questioning to Putin was awful. I found it comical when Putin brought up Jewish history that's when Tucker decided to cut him off. Comical
@@ijustshitted3776 yeah the interview was mid. I think tucker was being careful not to piss off the dems too much.
@@YC1708 what a smart statement about an insightful and important interview.
@@imGeistevereint already offended mr they/them?
Why do you want to hear from a Russian asset?
Great podcast
Love, love, love Steve Rinnella such a bad ass.
where im from we release a mountain lion every year or 2 into the mountains to keep the deer population down
Where are you from ?
@@bradbutterfield5935 in the woods in Northern Quebec
Why don't they just stretch out the season And encourage more out-of-area hunters. It would create more revenue and potentially boost your local economy.
Why would one hunt a Mountain (or any) Lion... except for "lion-kiling-experience" or trophy? Are you guys saying you need to kill a lion to put food on table??
They are full of it , they are trying to drag in food availability and ranchers to justify killing them for sport. They also think deers are going to go extinct because of the mt. Lions. They are fear mongering
People do eat Mountain Lion, the same as bear.
Also theyre dangerous
Meat is meat
People technically don’t need to hunt to put food on the table anymore, so lots of hunting is both food and the hunting experience. You are also forgetting population control. Also people eat mountain lion
February 9th article in the Capital Press about Washington State Fish and Wildlife, the Colville Tribe, and wolves. The tribe is sending 15 wolves to Colorado next year. Too bad our governor isn’t going with them. Steve, Joe, and Cam you guys are awesome! Don’t ever stop! Thank you.
In Germany they will have large hunts when there is an over population that is adversely affecting crops and the like. They have found a way to keep it in the middle most of the time. Mountain lions are my favorite animal, they are just so beautiful.
Wolves have been in Colorado for at least 15 years, I know because I have seen more than one. Wolves aren't over harvesting either... look what they did in Yellowstone. Wolves pushed they herd back to where they need to be and created a better balance to the system. Look up Aldo Leopold and what created the wilderness that we all enjoy
Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣
It’s funny to me how much of a gatekeeper Joe is when it comes to bow hunting. As a life long bow hunter and hunting guide in New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas…we aren’t elitist like Joe is. Joe is the picture perfect example of someone who came into the hunting world late in life and now tries to inflate his own self worth as a hunter by acting as if only the best, most in shape, and disciplined people can do it. Anyone can learn to bow hunt. You don’t need a mantra and you’re not sub par if you use a whisker biscuit. If you ambush hunt, or hunt in a stand you’re not less of a hunter than some who does still/stalk hunting. You don’t have to hike 5 miles into the backcountry. You can hunt in your back 40 and it’s just as valid. It’s really funny to listen to Joe on this topic because he really isn’t as well versed as he thinks he is…he just repeats what he hears other people say. The guys a goofball.
Everybody should learn to hunt…even if that means sitting in a blind with a feeder. As long as you’re ethical, safe, and careful about which animal you choose to take.
😂 In what twisted universe is “sitting in a blind with a feeder” “ethical”?
@@lowellcalavera6045 I can see hunting boar/feral pigs as they are invasive, but that is funny about a blind and feeder is "hunting".
Is this a podcast with Cam Hanes and Steve Rinella on the same podcast!?!?
I wonder if not posting full podcasts on UA-cam was in the new contract. I’m all for it.
I live in a teeny little town in Colorado with nothing but blue skies, sagebrush, and mesa landscapes. Two months ago, I found pugmarks, lion prints, right outside my back door.
Yep.. That's what happens when you live in lion territory.
@@clicheguevara5282 you never see them but sometimes when I’m smoking at night I’ll randomly feel the hair on the back of my neck stand up
Dems lion prints, son
No one cares.
@@clicheguevara5282oh so you know everything about lions? Liar.
We are finally gonna get back timestamps to Joe Rogan episodes again.
Up here in Quebec, we used to have mountain lion populations and even a brown bear population, but they were all wiped out (as far as we know) about 60 years ago.
This was their natural eastern range, and it’s a shame they have been wiped out due to “they are bad and scary”.
You need to be careful as to not extinct a population for the sake of some farmers.
This isn’t the early 20th century, we can figure out new ways to figure out population balance.
There are statics on every thing. Just gotta know where to look.
Joe's rant is hilarious 😂. He has two serious experts on and he does all the talking 😅
The “they want to be controlled” argument is getting real tired and boring.
Nice debate, love it. BTW is Cam wearing a Rootbeer?
Delete this comment. It stinks.
I live in remote Powder River County with one side of the farm's fences the border of Custer National Forest. I loathe to be too specific in case some hunter sees this but regardless, I have a suspected lion den about ... ?5,000 yards from cabin? Perfect cave excavated out under debris in an ancient dump. Lots in area by tracks and rancher sightings; I'm new here. Just into private property but CNF only yards away leading to prime hunting habit in forested canyons beyond.
Luckily this is a chunk that is a logistic nightmare to access, requiring miles of backtrack after a legal crossing w/o roads or trails. Unless they go through this land that touches a corner. Then it's a 15 minute hike. Last year I allowed 2 parties due to their being new, respectful and wide-eyed newbies. Damn if they didn't get their trophy elks within a HOUR. 6-12 big bulls still up there but no more permissions. Locked gate and sign this year so I don't risk allowing it; I can be a softie if I sense good people. Yammer aside, the lions have NEVER caused a problem despite loose cats and lots of various livestock. Leave them alone.
cam and rinella together? ive been waiting for this for a long time. Is there a reason why they dont interact more, or was there a reason? It seems like they should be best buds lol
Send him some fanmail, might get an autographed pic back
Prob cuz rinella is overbearing, talks to much, thinks he knows everything, and a lil conceited. Both alpha types but cam doesn’t think he’s a know it all unlike rinella. If you’ve ever been around a person like that, it’s draining.
@@Buddystemzthat’s just how you feel about him. In reality, he’s an extremely smart man and a seasoned hunter in every aspect of the game. You’re just a hater
@@colenewman4639 not in the slightest. Didn’t say he didn’t know things, he’s just an arrogant know it all.
@@Buddystemz being a “know it all” and actually knowing it all are two mutually exclusive things. Steve knows it all. And he informs others of things that he knows. Again, you’re just a hater. And judging by your last comment, you’re on par with the average American (stupid)
Literally was hearing joe talk about gorrila vs lions and tigers when this popped up lol
Literally literally literally. Dumb.
It was nice seeing Steve Rinella again. I'm still watching Meat Eater episodes. There great educational videos👍😁
I'm not a hunter but the Rogan podcasts over the years have helped to open my eyes and educate me on hunting. It is one way to put food on the table. I am able to see hunting in a more balanced way. Previous to these podcasts I only heard from the one side.
Also much more healthy than the store bought Frankenmeat
There's a difference between ethical hunting, non-predator hunting for food, and predator hunting, trapping, or hounding aka trophy hunting which is barbaric, inhumane, and unethical.
It's already illegal to hunt mountain lion in Tennessee and I think Florida👌
TBF they are illegal to hunt in Florida due to the Puma being a state animal.
And they say we do not have any in NC … I have never seen 1 but know of guys that have and I believe them 100%
@@MrWarren1991 affirmative.... I believe they are also endangered in Florida as well🤔
@nataliedeyton6829 we've had some sighted here in Kentucky but they was probably the one's passing through on the way to Tennessee🤔
The Florida panther is a critically endangered subpopulation of mountain lion. There's only around 200 left if that.
you can love animals, appreciate and respect nature, and also hunt. you dont have to be one or the other
That's 100% true - unless you're a trophy hunter. No excuse for that crap.
Hack comment. We know.
Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣
Example read about the Lewis and Clark expedition to Oregon
I learn so much on this channel! The Egypt theories are just amazing! I went down the Joe Rogan wormhole last night 😅
That dude looks like Pauly shore in the thumbnail
Steve is a trophy hunter
I've seen them walking up and down at night on the Arkansas, right here in the middle of Tulsa Oklahoma.
I love how Joe can get professional hunters in, they teach him what they know and he's an expert. I cant do that. I dont have any connections with any good hunters. Hunting near me is almost impossible.
If you want Joe to go berzerk, include bears.
An acquaintance of mine has a son who is a taxidermist in Montana. To boost his business, his mother thought it would be a good idea if she shot a mountain lion for him to mount for his studio.. This is the part that I am against, they hire someone with dogs to find a mountain lion and tree the animal. They called her on the phone and she went to the general area where they located her and took her to where the mountain lion was in the tree and she shot it because she had a apparently a license to take a mountain lion. Hunting is one thing doing it like this is not my cup of tea.. I told her you must be real proud of yourself for doing this. No one in our circles of acquaintances or friends thought this was a great idea that she had.
Don't be a pussy.. that's how it's done.
Hi Joe, I'm from Germany and love to watch your podcasts. I imagine if you invite Billy Carson to you and discuss his research of Annunaki and the origins of humankind, based on recent discoveries. Hope you will see it. Have a good one
That name drop took me by surprise
How about them thinking it's a good idea to introduce Grizzly bears in Northern Arizona animal population. I'd rather only have the Black Bears, especially when having one walk up on me and only being about 20 yards away from me. Scary shit
they want to do that in CO too
They did just release grizzly in Colorado
@@JonGollakner really? fuck...
We live in a time of Karen’s!
You can’t even fish w/o hassle.
This channel could be a 50k plus Channel one day no problem
Mounting Lions attacked a couple dogs recently in summit county Colorado. Mitigation is key! Sitting on the Polis just wanted credit for the reintroduction of wolves even though they came in naturally....
I was a supervisor/volunteer coordinator at a wildlife sanctuary and have been working with wildlife for over 10 years. None of these guys are wildlife experts, mountain lions are a keystone species. Many other species rely on them directly or indirectly to survive. Absolutely no need to hunt mountain lions, there’s tons of game animals to hunt. It’s a natural predation that occurs when mountain lions are hunting they’re not devastating deer populations.
What crap. Mountain lions take out a lot of deer. Fact.
@@worldobserver3515 Mountain lions eat deer as they have for 1000’s of years. These are species that have evolved together and as a result they have a natural balance with the each other
@@chronic124 it's not in balance anymore.
@@worldobserver3515 recent studies conducted on mountain lions shows no change in their diet or population. They don’t just eat deer, feral pigs, javelinas, coyotes, bighorn sheep and many others are also on the menu.
@@worldobserver3515 There are many states that have out of control deer populations. Not that long ago there was some talk in the state of Maine where they were considering reintroducing mountain lions. I'm not sure if you've ever been there, but the vast majority of the state is incredibly rural and barely populated, so it could potentially work. I even saw something very similar with New Jersey, but this was quickly dismissed due to how developed the state was.
PETA had massive protest in an area of my state many years ago that year they canceled the Fall deer hunting season the result was more dear died from starvation and malnutrition than if they were managed through hunting responsible hunting
Peta puts down thousands of dogs and cats each year.
It’s true. And if there was a healthy, controlled (by hunting) predator population then the deer wouldn’t starve as much. More of them would be prey to predators.
Where and when was that?
Deer eat leaves, so you saying they ran out of leaves? Stop making sh** up.
There is something that happens every year that causes starvation in overpopulated areas, it's called winter.@@_permanence
Beard boi got me cracking up
"Nobody does that", Yes.. they do..
I live in Australia, and a friend of mine worked as a 'deckie' on a Super yacht which travelled a ludicrous distance for seemingly no purpose.. only for him to find out they'd brought back the taxidermy of an endangered species (which the owner had shot) from one country back to the owner's estate in Texas (US).. running costs were x6figures to do that journey.
I disagree with they all hate hunters, I have a lot of friends who are animal rights activists, they don’t hate hunting of deer, elk, pronghorn, sheep, moose and etc, they hate hunting of bears, mountain lion, coyote and wolves for some reason, but let’s be honest, there a lot of hunters who hate animal rights activist, it’s both sides. Yes I’m a big game hunter also.
Ego hunting is probably more accurate
it is still a trophy if you post it on instagram is the way I see it. They aren't hunting for food, they can get food from the store. They are hunting cause they want to kill shit (with no real effort either)
@@monkeycaboose6872 "they can get food from the story" boy are you fucking serious what the hell 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is that you Karen ?
@@goofy855 my point is they aren't hunting for food since they can get food much easier by just buying it. They are rich, they don't need to kill they just do it cause they want to feel something and they've made it their identity.
My family and I went camping out at Turquoise Lake in Colorado a few years ago. Long story short, we had to leave around 2 in the morning. I’m ABSOLUTELY positive I seen a wolf coming down the mountain. He or she was so freaking beautiful. Absolutely massive dog I was so excited and freaked out at the same time I yelled out loud and woke up the wife and kids lol.
The hubris of humanity that we can control the wild and not be disruptive
Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣
I'm very opposed to banning mountain lion hunting, but this is an astoundingly low IQ discussion, especially from Cam Hanes.
are you opposed to hunting you?
@@princessadorabut who are you to judge or decide your self morally selfrighrous decision making is no better or worse
I can understand to keep mountain lion population in check. I don't think mountain lions have any known predators except man. But they are beautiful animals and they do eat other animals to keep that population in check as well.
But when there are too many mountain lions, they do more than keep things in check.
@@worldobserver3515 read the first sentence of his comment......
Where I live people are told Mountain Lions aren’t around but they are. They’re just rare enough to where interactions between them and domesticated animals like cattle, goats and horses are a rare occurrence. People don’t actively hunt them, but sometimes an unwanted encounter does occur. I myself have only had three encounters with a lion and only one of those situations resulted in serious injury to a horse and an unfortunate incident that resulted in the lions deletion from the census
Pennsylvania, by chance?
@@chrischapman1613 no sir. Think more south, but in the Appalachian mountains. You’re on the right path. These events took place in North Carolina
Hey joe, why was the interview with roger waters removed from Spotify? I recaall it still being there last summer ^^
I did a lion hunt in Nevada. It was a serious process I’d only do once. I went to Vegas afterwards and met an Uber driver from Cameroon. He had no idea he moved from lions to mountain lions and we had a good laugh about it
What a strange fake story. Why make that story up and lie like that?
The cougars in Vegas are quite different.
I live in Colorado and I hunt. My buddies and I are absolutely pissed about the wolves and the stupid predator hunting crap. They’re just trying to mess with the hunters, they do not want you getting your own food in any way.
Blame all the Cali transplants who voted for this BS.
*killer.
Plain and simple
Leave our colorado wildlife the fuck alone. Wake up
I live in Louisville KY and my wife and I almost hit a mountain lion within a half mile from our house. It was hunting deer and probably sheep at a farm nearby. These animals are very good at staying hidden. There's more of them around than people know
There isn't. You live in sprawling suburbia.
I lived in Santa Barbara for a while. No shortage of cougars there
California banned it now we have an estimated 7000 mt lions in the state.
What a fake statistic, you liar. Why lie about something like that? Very strange…
And destroyed the deer population
The Cougars are very dangerous in Orange County Ca. They will DESTROY your wallet!
Rinella & Hanes on the same Pod... this is better than the Superbowl
It would be interesting to interview a biologist who specializes in wild game such as elk and who is also a keen hunter...this would be really cool to listen to.
I don't why you would want to kill a Mountain Lion, unless it has something to do with pecker size or lack of
Because if u don’t have hunters killing them they’d multiply in crazy numbers to where we’d see them try to enter civilizian because there wouldn’t be enough small animals among the years to eat bud
@@DonTrump2024 lol, that is the dumbest thing I heard in a long time, read a book, do some research
Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣
@@hsdgaming555 same as Gamers I'm sad to say
@petermurdoch3001 not really….. ur mom’s pretty cool 😎😎😎💀💀💀💀
700 acres in Maine. Nobody is stopping me.
Mt. Lions in Maine??
Hunting as a resource. Silly goose
98,000 acres for me no one is stopping me
8 million acres here..
1million acres no one is going to stop me.
Great to see Rinella on the show again! Cam seems like a great guy, but not very interesting when Joe just has Cam on the show only. Steve is a great story-teller so his presence really adds a lot to the overall conversation. Entertaining show as a result!!
Great point that Cameron makes that hunters are not very supportive of each other. The environmental and activist groups that try to ban things like Mt. Lion hunting feed off of this fact. They know we will not ban together well. So I fully agree with these guys that hunters need to do better particularly if we want great conservation to continue to happen. Like the conservation that TR, Grinnell, and others have given to us to steward.
Trophy hunting is killing stuff you don’t eat. You do it for the pelt or mount. Most people are opposed to that, 70-75%.
Look at east WA and OR, where they came in on their own. Friction is just as bad.
My cat jumps higher than Vince Carter
Get em in the dunk contest then eh