Turn-Based RPG "HATER" Plays Baldur's Gate 3 - C4G's Honest Impressions
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Not a turn-based guy myself, but man this game has its hooks in me. I've found I enjoy turn-based so much more after playing DnD tabletop.
While I think there are many people that outright do not enjoy turn based video game combat. I think it also requires a different mindset. I really enjoy arpg's with their high adrenaline gameplay and love how it feels to directly control your character. When playing a turn based game I have an entirely different approach to combat, I enjoy to take my time and try to predict how I can affect future turns and turn them into my advantage.
I tried it with a controller and man I cant go back to mouse, movement with the controller feels so good, everything is fast and UI is quite fast to navigate... love it
@@Amatsuichi
Nowadays, I would only use mouse and keyboard for shooters that don't have auto aim
@@NaNoRarh I had a similar feeling initially, but then one evening I sat down took the controller and got used to it really quickly and since then I am enjoying it. Its simple and easy to use and I dont have to be close to the TV or keyboard/mouse. Of course inventory management has to be done in a different way, but its still very well done with the changed controller UI. Even looting is nice, by long pressing A you simply get access to all items around you and can easily open them/pick them up.
The biggest thing with turn based games is they're not action games they're strategy games, which means you need patience because to get the most out of a game like this you really want to slow yourself down and think like playing chess. Every move matters . It's really a genre for the intelligence driven gamer and not people who lack patience. But it can also be a great tool for developing patience and a strategic mindset
I agree w you that this is a real breakout moment for Larian. They combined indie studio level of ambition with AAA game budget and we ended up with a really ambitious game that actually fulfilled its potential. In an idea world, the success of this game will change the recent industry standard of throwing us half finished games for 80$.
breakout moment? Divinity Original Sin 2 was phenomenal and has the 10/10 ratings to prove it. This is just them doing more of what they do best.
@@TroyHarrisTechTV you know what I mean dont be obtuse
@@trainerred113 I didn't know if you knew about their previous games as I feel a lot don't. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.
@@TroyHarrisTechTV sort of my point no? As much as you and I know dos2 is great, Isometric turn based is just a bit niche and so it might go under the radar for ppl. BUT I've seen so many ppl say "I don't play these sorts of RPGs but I gotta try BG3" and that's what I mean about breakout - basically breaking out of the niche into the mainstream 🤝🤝
This is the video I was looking for. Someone who is not big into turn based combat like myself and you are recommending it others to try it, says a lot about the game. I’ll check it out eventually
You can't suddenly like turn based combat unless you never really disliked turn based combat... If you truly dislike turn based gameplay in games like this all you can do is to learn to ignore flaws for the sake of other good qualities. My friends love BG2 but they are skipping BG3 because from their perspective gameplay downgrade is too hard to swallow especially in such a long game... And funny thing is that they probably would be more open if they wouldn't love Baldur's Gate 2.
Amount of enemies can be real issue and auto-combat in turn based games is a common thing for a good reason... (I used it a lot in many games)
It's way easier to develop turn based combat and it can hide a lot of flaws of the game and engine, sooo to some degree (for some people) it can feel cheap... Realtime stuff is not more or less strategic but it requires you to additionally be good observant that knows when to react so even if you think that turn based combat is highly unrealistic, stiff, cheap and time consuming drag you still have to accept some lower barriers to entry from perspective of both sides (devs and players).
I'm completely new to D&D. I jumped on the BD3 train to give it a try. Oooh boy what a ride this is! I'm only 40 hours in or so but this game has sucked me into its story like no other game has done before.
I use the word very rarely but so far Baldur's Gate 3 is a MASTERPIECE
it's not a baldurs gate game it's divinity original sin 3
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@@roxxxydubois wahhhhh wahhhh wwahhhhhh
I lost my shit when i failed the strength role at the beginning and instead of crushing the brain i just gave it a good slap lmao...my entire party was pissing themselves.
I never do backup save whenever i failed in dialouge or in the decision making moment. Just like to feel more immersed
The combat can be tough, but man the game is so good. I'm kind of obsessed with it at the moment and it sucks to have to work this week! I'm seriously considering using a floating holiday to play on Friday.
Can't wait for the review. I found DoS2 kind of slow overall, but this game has me sucked in. I love the exploration and the fact that everything I do has consequences.
Omg you're Geralt! I made Ciri and my buddies are playing co-op with me as other Witcher characters 😁
Also enjoying it and have been enjoying making clips of it for my new gaming channel/tiktok. It's endlessly entertaining to try new things! I still need some greedfall combat back in my life but love the change of pace!
Oh no the main story isn’t simple in the slightest 😂
This game turned me into a turn based lover from a hater.
Same, I've been going back to all the tbg I've missed over the years because of this game lol
Correct that there's no level scaling. Level scaling sucks.
Edit: I'm playing on Tactician and the combat is not trial and error. It just requires you to have some knowledge of the systems and to be aware of positioning and your surroundings.
It's definitely not trial and error. It can see how it can seem that way to people that aren't taking a deeper look into the mechanics of the game. Those people that are chopping slash resistant or immune enemies with their sword.
niceee!!! i wanna see more bg3 videos!!!
Character looks like Netflix tried to cast Jared Leto to play Geralt
lmao, true!
Its story is so amazing. And i love thr gameplay. The start of act 2 alone is so story heavy and you already see consequences from act 1.
Leveling gets incredible slow later BUT there is amazing gear later on that gives a sense of Progression.
Some animations look really stiff, but in general it looks really stylish.
I see a bunch of people say "it would be good if it wasn't turn based" but you wouldn't be able to even a quarter of the cool shit if it was some action hack and slash. Because its turn based there are so many interactions with the environment that would have to be heavily watered down, scripted or removed from the game.
I probably wouldn't even play the game if it was yiur average boring hack and slash
they also added couch co-op
I love the cause and effect theme of the game to the point where I can overlook the combat. I played souls action combat and going to this, I just think it like I messed up a maneuver and got punished for it. But it does still irk me a little because I was better at fighting dragons over arch wizards XD
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I think there's 2 ways to play games like this, when it comes to loading saves... and they're both worth doing... like you say in the video, and then only when you get game-overs... it's fun, just for the sake of doing it, to just see what happens when you make your choices and live with them... but it's also fun to see what happens with each and every choice you can make.
omg I just realized you can zoom in the camera like in a 3rd person game I never play these kind of games like that lol
I will be honest this would be a very fun and entertaining and most exciting RPG except as you said many of us like you are not fans on turn-based and that also messes with the combat, however if they do add into it like the system to disable turn-based mode like they did on PC I think that would actually help improve it on Xbox but I have no idea how long it's going to take them to do at least until they realized they need to correct that error very soon for the Xbox series X 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I like RPG games but not if they don't allow me to move around freely as if I'm experiencing it in real life like I'm actually fighting instead of being frozen in place waiting my turn I'm sure you understand frind.😢
Someone should really adapt JRPG franchise to CRPG - dragon quest or something like that as a crpg would really work
Unbelievable.
background music is a bit loud
Hated turn based games, found them absolutely boring. Until i tried BG3 Im more of a horror, fps, milsim, choice based gamer.
But oh my god BG3 is absolutely amazing im almost addicted to the game. I cant put it down its the first snd last game i play after hours of self study.
Im glad my friend introduced me to BG3 you should definitely try it out at least once im hard to please but this game is very different in a very great way
I was pissed at first that this wasnt gonna be real time with pause like bg1 and 2. Now i absolutely love the combat
Wish there was an out of combat pause button though. Would really help with planning character movement out.
@@neetfreek9921shift + space toggles turn based mode in which you can plan out your movement
@@neetfreek9921 out of combat you can always enter turn-based-mode. IIRC the other characters on the screen will pause then as well
@@xxdmncorrect, the point is the whole world is broken down to turns which is super useful for stealing things or sneaking around among other things.
@@xxdmn true I just think the rts pause button is more fluid for stuff like this
Personally, I prefer RTwP, but I enjoy turn-base as well. I'm quite enjoying the game myself, athough, I do have to say, this is a game that I would recommend to people that liked Divinity OS 2 rather than the classic BG's fans. Aside from some characters and maybe some references here and there, it didn't feel like a sequel to me.
It's kinda odd seeing some turn-based fans bashing real-time games here. One here in the comments saying that turn-based games are always tactical while real-time isn't and is repetitive... Kinda of an asinine and very ignorant opinion if you ask me.
Real time is just as strategy heavy across the board, you just have less time to act out said strategy is all.
Bravo sine bravo, bravo
I can not understand, after 15 or 50 hours of the game? And even 15, in one playthrough, for a single character 😢😢😢? Are you f%cking kidding me? I am still praying starfield, just left Jemison. And I play that game from the release! I hate it, Ive got not other choice, but playing online shooters, like call of duty😢 At least there you can finish one run in 15-20 minutes. I really disappointed. I was hoping to find an alternative to that cr.ap. Where to finc THAT much time?
I am in love with this game, even bought two collector's editions 😅😅 now I only wait for collector's statuette of Lae'zel 🙃🥺 One thing I disagree on, is that I play on tactician and it feels less difficult compared to tactician in DOS2.
Another small gem I am looking forward to this year is Dread Delusion (a.k.a. Morrowind on meth), besides that I really do not have any else game to look forward to and some that I have in wishlist including Starfield can only pleasantly surprise me...I won't end up dissapointed if it is only above mediocre though.
I think the beigest reason why so many people who dislike turn based are okay with it here is because there is so much intractability with the environment and items in the inventory. Like I much prefer Elder Srolls Online more "action" combat but I still prefer BG3. ESO would need to let me manipulate objects to throw ropes to climb to places, to throw barrels and flasks to make environmental efffects that increase damage of moves like AoE staff fire attacks for example. it would need to have environmental obsticles that you get through by using spells. It would need to let me have up to 3 of my companions follow me (really 4 people parties are staple of any RPG from Earthbound to Final Fantasy to Balder's Gate ya know?).
Im confused. Divinity 2 (which is turn based) was one of your favorite rpg's from Larian but you were gonna skip BG3 from Larian because it was...turned based?
No. The original Divinity 2 was a 3rd person action rpg. I did a video about all of their games a couple of months ago, check it out.
Oh my bad. I guess I got the games mixed up@@click4gameplay
Did you intentionally make Jared Leto? Lmao
Bro why is the download size so big!!
It's the only thing keeping me from the game
It's the biggest Narrative RPG of all time... 17,000 confirmed endings so yeah
Yeah, my little boy 512gb SSD is starting to become irrelevant with video game size nowadays 😅
Good news. Ssds are super cheap now. Wait for a sale and you can pick a 1tb for like $60
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Depends on what country you live in, bro. 60$ is like 245 bucks in my country 😅 us developing/third world countries gamers are suffering a lot 😔
@@frog6054 That's how much you paid for Baldurs Gate 3?
Found loot that was for a quest, soft locked myself out on some epic loot, hate this game 😂
Zhentarim ?
Great video. So glad this didn't end up with ' I played this game, so you don't have to ' =)
we got him!
I hate turn based combat systems unless I am actually playing a board game. However, the story and content of Baldurs Gate is so compelling and comprehensive, so all is forgiven. However, my ideal video game would be using Dragon Age style combat with Baldurs Gate dialog and content.
The combat of bg3 is so much better than dragon age. For good real time with pause combat something like pillars of eternity or the original baldurs gate are much better than dragon age (origins often feels like a slog with waves of enemies and lacks depth, while the sequels drop the tactical depth altogether). I don't like TB usually, but bg3 does it so well it could shift your opinion on this like it did for me.
Wait, you dislike turn based RPGs? Oh darn, but they are so good. Glad people are loving Baldur 3, it's such a wonderful game. It's like a love child of Dragon Age Origins and Divinity Original Sin 2, bringing best of the both worlds. 45h in already and I can't stop.
I despise turn based when it's like a jrpg where everyone stands in a line and just attacks in a row.
But more tactical stuff like bg3 and ogre battle? Love it
@@leftovernoise oh for sure, it does get boring when it's just two parties standing in front of one another, talk about immersion breaking (ff7 remake made me like the game more without turn based mode). But I admit I did have lots of fun with the latest Dragon Quest, but that game's animations where next level.
I fail to see where your comparison with DA2 specifically comes from, but yes the cinematic/ presention part feels very much like dragon age. The combat is a refined version of DOS with dnd rules. Other than that it is a chikd of the original baldurs gate and dragon age origins afterall was a spiritual successor to those thus parallels are to be expected.
Omg i HATE silent characters and im so sick of people saying they like silent characters. Im out
It's just way to similar to D:OS2 for me. It really feels like a follow-up to that game, with D&D rules slapped on top
Yeah it's dos3 not bg3
I don't agree at all. I am quite certain you've never played the game or at least never the none-EA version of it.
This game feels like dragon age origins, which i guess is not off-beat for a successor of the original baldurs gate games.
Dnd rules slapped ontop? The core of this game are dnd rules and thats also how it feels. Everything is dervied from these rules. I don't get your impressions of this game. If you like it or not is subjective of course but your ideas about the game are just inaccurate.
Enough. I'm not here for sex.
I grew up with turned based combat but ever since I've transitioned to real time combat I just can't go back, I loved Divine Divinity too bad Larian shifted their focus to Turn Based combat on their newer games, Having tried Divinity Original Sin 2 I can say cRPGs or any game with turned based combat aren't for me anymore, same thing with Yakuza: Like a Dragon; There are few exceptions like Heroes of Might and Magic 3 or Song of Conquest that I love to death.
Personally I'd say Kingdom Come Deliverance is the best RPG I've played today, no other RPGs in the past 2 decades has topped it for me like that one.
Kingdom Come Deliverance is a very good game if you have the patience for it the problem people had with it is that we are so used to been a super hero chosen one character that they weren't used to have a character that was useless at everything at the start and unless you put time into doing things like learning how to use abow your skills would not increase a bit like real life.
As a noob to this genre this game is way too hard and you have your first companion right away, 30 buttons together wtf. The tutorial is useless. Died at the strand vs 3 Lvl 1 mobs 😂😂😂 Refunded after 100minutes.
Hello, good sir. I really liked your point, and, I hope, you could make some sense for a lad, like I am.
Mh name... does not matter 😂, but you can call me Bill.
I love souls--like games. Especially Bloodborne. I also like fallout games. 4 and 3 are my the most favorite. I like fallout 4 even mor3, then falloutmnew vegas.
And now, with all that information in mind. Will I enjoy playing playing this game? By the way, I also like call of duty and battlfield, but I guess, I am too old for those, so I hope to spend no longer, then 5-10 hours for a full playthough on an individual character, couse I do not give a f@ck on the story, but love to create different builds. And I' e hear, there is only 10 leels to upgrade the character? I can make a purchase in this case. But - no f#cking cut scenes, story, and all that crap. I create a character, beat the game jn maximum 10 hours - chreate a new character. Possible?
Might wanna try it.. but I hope they add a hybrid combat like the Pathfinder games where u can do realtime or pause mechanics.. the last turn base I've tried was original sin 2 and they are very similar with this.. I do love RPG games but also like action combat.. idk I think Dragon's Dogma spoiled rpg games for me 😅
Turn based is actually more 'action' combat than real time with pause, because that's just automated.
Goty
Now shows turn-based is actually the way to go and to stop appealing the casual minority
Casual minority indeed. This game sold and will continue to sell like crazy.
Turns out that hard games like elden ring and complex games like bg3 sell very well as long as the presentation is AAA.
No genre in history has ever been hated unjustly more than turn based
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Turn based deserves to be hated, this game just happens to do it superbly allowing for haters to even enjoy it.
If it is not Turn Basted, it's not a true RPG.
I fucking HATE turned based RPGs and I even got this game I still hate it. It didn’t change anything for me. There’s too much bullshit in the game to keep up with and I hate having health bars over enemies heads. It’s trash
used to think I was an RPG lover but the years have turned me more into a looter and action lover. Tried to play CRPG's but can't do it. I often find myself skipping dialogue in games, story's don't matter at all to me. Couple this with boring combat and BG3 was a big lose for me.
I feel that
I used to love playing RPG with turn based combat even with bad graphics like the original FF 7 but nowadays I just find every game boring, even the modern ones.
@@frog6054 Yea I did too back in 1996. Then I graduated to MMO's and ARPG with an live combat system.
Can‘t understand how you can not like Turn-based combat. Normal combat gets boring and repetitive so fast . Turn based always stays tactical.
But turn based can also make combat damm tedious and draggy
@@D3MONFIEND Not with bg3. They have managed to avoid this pitfall with bg3 remarkably well. The solution is that there are less encounters, all encounters are unique, less enemies per encounter, turns are quick and of course a large variability of what you can do also involving terrain.
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Controller cmon lol
I‘d love to play it, but I hate turn-based combat! 🙁
I used to despise it. After giving it a shot(took some time) I now prefer it and I'm looking for games that have it.
@pajdovelicanstveni Turn based for a D&D game makes sense, since you know D&D is turn based.
@@IRaoulDuke Is it me you wanted to tell that? I understand that.
It is definitely good enough to make up for being turn based
I actually enjoy fighting in bg3 dozends of times more than in the witcher and the witcher was also worth enduring the combat through
Its more Divinity: Original Sin 3 then BG3.
Same story : "Escape from a ship, find yourself on the beach, find your comrades-in-arms, have the neck ring (larva) removed..."
very similar artwork...
the videos make the different... its not bad... its good... but more like Divinity: Original Sin 3
So a choice/mix between dos3 and bg3? Considering dos2 is already fantastic still sounds like a win/win to me. Consider the fact that the ONLY chance for a real bg3 to be better than 1 or 2 would've been from the original Devs, all of them from their then studio which will never happen I fail to see the down side here. I disagree btw, I think they did the best they could.
Very similar artwork ..... yes and no. In BG3 I think they didn't hold back with showing dark scenes and making the plot/quests more dark than in DOS2, in that regards it is a huge improvement.
What was to be expected is the typical gameplay in which you can use almost anything from your surroundings and it feels very "sandboxy" - which I understand that is something that some people might hate...tbh honest I did not like it at all when I first tried DOS2, but then I came to terms with it and now I enjoy it since it offers very much of replayability value.
Dialogues are very well written with very minor reproaches that I had during some scenes.
Overall I think we have strong contender for RPG of the year and definitely also a game of the year contender - despite that we still have some major releases coming out this year and I would rather remain composed since it is not obvious yet that Larian will win despite that they very much deserve it IMO.
Baldurity: Original Gate 3
But I still dig the game, regardless of its identity crisis.
At least it doesnt have that horrible armor system. It made DOS2 unfinishable for me.
@@kalenics123 oh yeah, dos2 armour was... a questionable design
I personally don't mind the turn-based part of the game, Heroes Of Might and Magic is my favorite series of all time. Having said that, in RPGs I just can't stand this pseudo party system with NPCs who follow you around sniffing your ass on every step. It is insanely immersion breaking. Previous games had the "lone wolf" perk that would allow you to beat the game on the hardest difficulty using only 2 characters. For some reason, they entirely removed it. Biggest let down.
It's a dungeons and dragons game. You dont play solo dungeons and dragons
@@bananana5714 You also don't have quick saves in dungeons and dragons, as far as I know.
@@Skoshtwo you do if your dm isn't a dick
I e seen reviews saying you can solo the game if you want
Just make a Necromancer and create an Undead army
I don't mind the turn based thing but I must admit I'm bored by the CRPG nature of Baldur's Gate 3. Everything is unnecessarily too complicated in BD3. Spell, resting time, characters systems, sub, systems, sub-sub systems, etc... I don't understand why some games like to be so complicated. We're in 2023 and RPG video games (even D&D ones) managed since a long time how to optimize game mechanics and player time without losing depth... This nostalgia of darker times is nonsensical.
The reason why it’s like this is that this game isn’t just based on D&D, it *is* D&D. Every rule and system is ripped straight from the players handbook and dungeon master’s guide with only a few tweaks. It’s basically an adaptation.
The simple reason is that complex systems lead to variability and challenges to over come. To me such systems are interesting. Its a major part of why i love crpgs. You are wrong about the "without losing depth" part at least when it comes to tactical and mechanical depth. I can see why such systems are in dire need ro be properly tutorialized, but other than that this simply isn't what you're personally looking for. I have zero nostalgia bias as i am too young to have played those games. I instantly loved pillars of eternity 1 and about every crpg-renaissance game. I am a book reader, which is kind of prequesite to enjoy most crpgs. Not with baldur's gate 3. That's also why it is such a massive commercial success. Turns out there are many people loving complex and tactical games as long as the presentation isn't the one of a book. You are just not one of them. As far as i jusge the vast majority of bg3 players are dos2/new players which aren't familiar with the original baldurs gate. Deep rpg systems aren't about nostalgia, but experimentation, optimization, unique situations and intellectual satisfaction. That's the fun in it.
First of all, Gen Z and Alpha, what they have to say means nothing.
Need to go by Gen X and backwards from there.
I doubt the guy of this vid, is Gen X or those before.
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I don't like turn-based, the only exception is Larians game :D
Trashhhhhhhh i just can’t
a daily reminder its not a masterpiece
later ACTS drop hard in quality
unfinished (as they always do) yet not critiqued as much as big devs would be "fix later" mentality
another char creator of body type 1/2 than boy/girl
the characters are grating because they're all sliding scale of terrible, not morally ambiguous just terrible
all melee women all magic men, game very on the nose to its virtue signal
Act 3 content is partly not missing content but bugged. Some reactions exist but fail to trigger. That's of course not good, but even then the game is so mich above most other games that it's an easy 90. Also larian always releases bugged games that always get fixed and improved upon with a definitive edition 1 year later or so.
Your selective perception trying to force culture war bullshit into this doesn't check out. How is a cleric (shadowheart) more magic than a warlock (wyll) for example? How is rogue (astarion) unless you play trickster subclass magic at all? You know that rogue is both ranged and meele? What's your issue with female fighter warriors in fantasy games? Like to most normal people this isn't an issue.
Oh the brainwashing is insane. I'm just glad these degenerates are exposing themselves and their nasty fetishes by praising this game. This has to be on purpose. It's too perfect.
Huh?
@jonnyvelocity there is so much degenerate sex in this game including but not limited to bear sex that you have to be a mentally unwell degenerate to enjoy this game
Probably forgot the meds again
@vmsc199 you did. Now go back and get them before you attempt to change genders
How much porn have you watched this week?
Yeah you're just one of those weird gothic gamers, not a true rpg gamer......😂😂
Just joking......or.......