Excellent comparison! Both bikes are the cream of the crop, but I have to say Super Duke all the way. 1st The WP suspension is great. Event though ÖHLINS has the popularity of being the best, WP is right there with them. I have experience with both suspensions & can’t tell the difference. 2nd price, the KTM wins that by far. 3rd Accesories prices, you can make the Super Duke look the way you want by half the cost of the street fighter’s accessories. 4th maintenance cost, again KTM much cheaper. 5th technology, the KTM has more goodies like cruise control. Finally performance, they are neck and neck. Street Fighter beats it on the straights, but on the twisties the Super Duke wins because of the torque coming out of the turn. You can’t go wrong with any of them though. It all depends on your preference and price.
@@xede0r the sp adds more carbon fiber parts plus a more expensive paint color. The sp can only be compared with the Superduke 1290 RR which was not mentioned in this video. I guess we’ll have to wait for a video of those two to be able to compare them.
In Germany where I live, the KTM superduke R has a base price of 26K, that’s exactly the same price as the Ducati Streetfighter V4 S. So I would definitely buy the Ducati. If the KTM is significantly cheaper in your country than the Ducati, I get it. But buying a KTM over a Ducati for the exact identical amount of money is just crazy in my opinion. Ducati is just something exclusive and special, a whole different league compared to KTM.
@@_carfreak_2812 I’m glad in Germany the prices are comparable, here in the US the the Ducati street-fighter V4S is listed at $27,595. If you get the Grey Nero color ($27,795). The 2022 KTM Super Duke R Evo is listed at $20,399. Again parts & services the same, more expensive for Ducati. I also owe a Ducati & I know how exclusive they are, but other brands like KTM are stepping up their game at more affordable prices in different parts of the globe with the same or more technology. Don’t get me wrong, I love Ducati, but I’m not an exclusive Ducati rider. I just love motorcycles & I really love my Superduke R evo & everything it comes with.
I love my Super Duke. Not only is it more fun to ride than the Ducati, it's a lot cheaper. Here in Canada, the total cost of my bike after taxes and including both the Tech Pack as well as a 5 year extended warranty (6 in all) was lest than the MSRP before taxes, freight or extended warranty on a Tuono 1100 Factory. Not sorry I bought 1290R instead, it's hilariously good. The Evo suspension works great. I'm having a minor issue with mine that others have had too, but I'm sure I'll get it sorted out (appears to be a software error).
I think for the purpose of naked bikes, the v-twin from the super duke is a better suited engine. Check out the dyno graph. It has far more power under the curve, and most critically, at rpms that you'll be riding at daily.
yeah, Superduke's Vtwin sounds really mean, the sound recording doesn't do it justice. For the V4 engine, Aprilia's V4 is still the best-sounding one, imo.
Always enjoy your reviews.. owner of 2015 Diavel and New 2023 v4s Panigale.. so I guess you know Ducati has my vote.. 30,000 on the Diavel never in the shop except for maintenance..
I think the Super Duke 1290 can be more worthy because mostly naked bikes don't need much/great top end as the rider can't bear that much windblast but if one needs real fun and pure hoonigan/hooligan feel and initial grunt then he should go for Duke 1290 but on the other hand Ducati Street fight V4 has light weight+ more bhp and the V4 engine+ electronics loaded (except 2 which is in super Duke actually 1 is keyless ignition is not a big factor but Cruise control is)
The cruise control sales it for me and also if/when KTM gets rid of the trellis frame and does to aluminum they’ll drop a lot of weight but one thing that lets the KTM down is that WP suspension it’s good but it’s not Ohlins or KTech good imo.
Great comparison, thanks! Both cool looking motorcycles. Good point that a motorcycle design without fairings or wind protection will be a challenge to make use of all that power above 200 horses on the freeways, in terms of rider comfort while getting blasted with lots of wind. The Duke's torque advantage is nice. Both expensive bikes.
@@BlackArroToons Wind resistance, aka wind force increases according to the square of the velocity. the wind force at 100 mph is 4 times the wind force at 50 mph. The wind force at 130 mph is almost 7 times as much as at 50 mph.
@@briangc1972 Good to know. Thank you. I'll research more into the effects of wind and how it relates to some of the newer sport bike designs, like with BMW's, with the side fins on the front fairing.
@@BlackArroToons You should read what the pro riders in MotoGP have been saying about the wings and aero packages. They say the new aerodynamics make the bikes harder to ride fast. ua-cam.com/video/ewqBuo_EFBM/v-deo.html
real world power to weight ratio must also including rider cos in motorcycle it add much more weight than in heavy cars 👍🏻 feg only bikes with full tank 100 vs 200 kg vs with 100 kg rider on both you get 200 vs 300 kg so such 100 vs 200 =2 where 200 vs 300 = only 1,5 👍🏻
@@mociczyczki The diffrence is that a specific bike with a full tank will always weigh the same. The rider knows his own weight, he wants to know what he's buying. :-)
Man i love the Ducati, but im a hooligan so if i had to choose, well, im going for the KTM becose of the fun factor! But Ducati is better for trackdays!
Talking about the tech fetures like the tech pak kosting about 1000.... Wel the ducati allready cost over a 1000 more than de Superduke. So The KTM full spec is still cheaper than the DUC
ducati is faster above 10 k rpm around in drag race it beat ktm 👍🏻 ktm from idlle to 10 k rpm both way more than enough for street anyway from idle to 10 k rpm but if we solve in this class than yea for road aplocation ktm is better like for me 👍🏻 it have more power to 10 k rpm assuming the same test condition it have lower fuel consumption despote is heavier and have biger displacement its due to more friction and balancer mass in duc engine ., ktm have cruise control👍🏻 yea i would buy ktm from this 2 👌🏻 duc sounds better and have better max acceleration for race more rigid frame more suspension setup etc for road its pointless and make service more expensive i quees unless intervals are much longer 👌🏻 both not bike for me but yea if im must choice one as daily than ktm 👍🏻 whellbase as prevention whelly is one of way another are electronique gearing weight distribution if or not in this egzample longer wheelbase are for prevent whelly we dont know if we not solve first weight distribution electronique and gearing 😁👍🏻 feg 140 nm at 7 k rpm with 1 gear with 100 km/h at 7 k rpm assuming we comapre gear to gear be lift fromt much less than 70 nm at 7 k rpm with 25 km/h at 7 k rpm at 1 gear 🤭 cos watt :m/s = force 👌🏻 simple math 👍🏻 or centre of gravity hight 1 lenght 1 = 1 G hight 1 lenght 1,1 = 1,1 G limit bike with longer wheelbase with 1 G limit cos of centre of gravity will go earlier on wheel than shorter wheelbase bike with centre of gravity in such point that limit be 1,15 G feg and at end offcorse roder be itself can add or decrease weight at front or rear be body position 👍🏻 anyway from such theoretical comaprision i would choice ktm but ergo is most important factor like for me so maybe after test ride i would at end choice duc 🤷🏻♂️ anyway this channel show how make good comaprision withput even do real world ride test side to side on both bike this comaprision show more and better info than alot test with real world riding 🤭 good job 👍🏻
I like how this channel did the aftermarket exhaust sound and went through the gears that was a nice touch that no other channel is doing now.
Excellent comparison! Both bikes are the cream of the crop, but I have to say Super Duke all the way. 1st The WP suspension is great. Event though ÖHLINS has the popularity of being the best, WP is right there with them. I have experience with both suspensions & can’t tell the difference. 2nd price, the KTM wins that by far. 3rd Accesories prices, you can make the Super Duke look the way you want by half the cost of the street fighter’s accessories. 4th maintenance cost, again KTM much cheaper. 5th technology, the KTM has more goodies like cruise control. Finally performance, they are neck and neck. Street Fighter beats it on the straights, but on the twisties the Super Duke wins because of the torque coming out of the turn. You can’t go wrong with any of them though. It all depends on your preference and price.
Exellent analyse i have the SDR evo and i prefer torque then max speed
but why not compare top sf v4? SP?
@@xede0r the sp adds more carbon fiber parts plus a more expensive paint color. The sp can only be compared with the Superduke 1290 RR which was not mentioned in this video. I guess we’ll have to wait for a video of those two to be able to compare them.
In Germany where I live, the KTM superduke R has a base price of 26K, that’s exactly the same price as the Ducati Streetfighter V4 S. So I would definitely buy the Ducati. If the KTM is significantly cheaper in your country than the Ducati, I get it. But buying a KTM over a Ducati for the exact identical amount of money is just crazy in my opinion. Ducati is just something exclusive and special, a whole different league compared to KTM.
@@_carfreak_2812 I’m glad in Germany the prices are comparable, here in the US the the Ducati street-fighter V4S is listed at $27,595. If you get the Grey Nero color ($27,795). The 2022 KTM Super Duke R Evo is listed at $20,399. Again parts & services the same, more expensive for Ducati. I also owe a Ducati & I know how exclusive they are, but other brands like KTM are stepping up their game at more affordable prices in different parts of the globe with the same or more technology. Don’t get me wrong, I love Ducati, but I’m not an exclusive Ducati rider. I just love motorcycles & I really love my Superduke R evo & everything it comes with.
I love my Super Duke. Not only is it more fun to ride than the Ducati, it's a lot cheaper. Here in Canada, the total cost of my bike after taxes and including both the Tech Pack as well as a 5 year extended warranty (6 in all) was lest than the MSRP before taxes, freight or extended warranty on a Tuono 1100 Factory. Not sorry I bought 1290R instead, it's hilariously good. The Evo suspension works great. I'm having a minor issue with mine that others have had too, but I'm sure I'll get it sorted out (appears to be a software error).
I found a little mistake.
Superduke does not have a 16 valve engine.
4 valves each cylinder x 2 cylinders = 8 valves
I love v twins and Torque fun ..
SuperDuke without a question. I have significant experience with both.
Superduke looks very unique, but the Ducati's V4 engine wins it over for me.
I think for the purpose of naked bikes, the v-twin from the super duke is a better suited engine. Check out the dyno graph. It has far more power under the curve, and most critically, at rpms that you'll be riding at daily.
@@blader98j Agree.
Naked bike more tourq more fun
Superduke anyday, looks so good and sounds insane
yeah, Superduke's Vtwin sounds really mean, the sound recording doesn't do it justice. For the V4 engine, Aprilia's V4 is still the best-sounding one, imo.
@@SecondGearYT yes ducati's v4 and v2 sound way too chaotic and noisy, prob cause of the dry clutch and desmo
@@altair1337 they come wet with wet clutch not dry
Great video, is perfect.
Im watching this video because i bought 1290 evo r lastweek 😂 i hope superduke wins overall
What would happen if you take that extra 7k left over after duke purchase and bought, carbon fiber wheels, full exhaust and intake w/tune?
La Super Duke también tiene control de pendientes y la Ducati no. Estos vídeos son buenísimos. Un saludo.
That guitar solo is off of the hook
Love both bikes, it's hard to choose which one hahaa... great vid and keep it up ❤️❤️❤️
It's easy to pick super Duke for the streets Street Fighter for the track.
KTM SuperDuke is sound so menacing when in high revs. I prefer KTM SuperDuke than ducati streetfighter
Always enjoy your reviews.. owner of 2015 Diavel and New 2023 v4s Panigale.. so I guess you know Ducati has my vote.. 30,000 on the Diavel never in the shop except for maintenance..
2022 Diavel 1260S for me. No regrets.
I think the Super Duke 1290 can be more worthy because mostly naked bikes don't need much/great top end as the rider can't bear that much windblast but if one needs real fun and pure hoonigan/hooligan feel and initial grunt then he should go for Duke 1290 but on the other hand Ducati Street fight V4 has light weight+ more bhp and the V4 engine+ electronics loaded (except 2 which is in super Duke actually 1 is keyless ignition is not a big factor but Cruise control is)
There might be faster bikes than the Super Duke, but after all Super Duke was the bike which defined the hypernaked
Of course....value for money is KTM with fantastic look...🎉🎉❤
The cruise control sales it for me and also if/when KTM gets rid of the trellis frame and does to aluminum they’ll drop a lot of weight but one thing that lets the KTM down is that WP suspension it’s good but it’s not Ohlins or KTech good imo.
Super duke ❤🔥🤩
Great comparison, thanks! Both cool looking motorcycles. Good point that a motorcycle design without fairings or wind protection will be a challenge to make use of all that power above 200 horses on the freeways, in terms of rider comfort while getting blasted with lots of wind. The Duke's torque advantage is nice. Both expensive bikes.
Under 75 mph and the wind is hardly noticeable and up to 100 mph the wind is tolerable on the Ducati.
@@briangc1972 Cool, thanks for the info. Good to know. So above 100 and the wind really kicks in without wind protection.
@@BlackArroToons Wind resistance, aka wind force increases according to the square of the velocity. the wind force at 100 mph is 4 times the wind force at 50 mph. The wind force at 130 mph is almost 7 times as much as at 50 mph.
@@briangc1972 Good to know. Thank you. I'll research more into the effects of wind and how it relates to some of the newer sport bike designs, like with BMW's, with the side fins on the front fairing.
@@BlackArroToons You should read what the pro riders in MotoGP have been saying about the wings and aero packages. They say the new aerodynamics make the bikes harder to ride fast.
ua-cam.com/video/ewqBuo_EFBM/v-deo.html
Great comparison! Id like to see wet weight as it’s the preferred measure of real world weight. Or show both :)
real world power to weight ratio must also including rider cos in motorcycle it add much more weight than in heavy cars 👍🏻 feg only bikes with full tank 100 vs 200 kg vs with 100 kg rider on both you get 200 vs 300 kg so such 100 vs 200 =2 where 200 vs 300 = only 1,5 👍🏻
@@mociczyczki The diffrence is that a specific bike with a full tank will always weigh the same. The rider knows his own weight, he wants to know what he's buying. :-)
Great comparison❤
KTM all day long, i was tango'd 8 ish years ago and dont plan to change anytime soon.
Man i love the Ducati, but im a hooligan so if i had to choose, well, im going for the KTM becose of the fun factor! But Ducati is better for trackdays!
Please make video on the evolution of Suzuki's motogp bikes
If I am looking for a street bike, super duke is still the best
great review!!!
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Super Duke is better overall in terms of practicality and more usable torque for casual street riding and short blast in the expressways.
Pleasee do h2 and h2 sx se comparison pleaseee
Love ktm look
Rsv4 sound
Japanese quality
Chinese price
I don't understand why Ducati make so much horsepower for naked bike
What would be a better ride and what would be faster
Ktm duke 1290 or the Ducati v2
Not sure why none talks about the v2
Please compare vixion r gsx s and cb150r. Thank you
I stay with the Superduke, no doubt....
I prefer the Ducati
Talking about the tech fetures like the tech pak kosting about 1000.... Wel the ducati allready cost over a 1000 more than de Superduke. So The KTM full spec is still cheaper than the DUC
Do mt 07 with duke 790
197;5 Weight of the Steetfighter, Not 178
I need i need❤❤
Nice
If you look closely it says “stretfighter”
How can a v2 has more torque than a v4
KTM🧡
👍👍👍
SDK all day 🔥
😮
❤❤❤
KTM has 8 valves 😅
LAUNCING,,,,,PAP,,,@
Ktm
ducati is faster above 10 k rpm around in drag race it beat ktm 👍🏻 ktm from idlle to 10 k rpm both way more than enough for street anyway from idle to 10 k rpm but if we solve in this class than yea for road aplocation ktm is better like for me 👍🏻 it have more power to 10 k rpm assuming the same test condition it have lower fuel consumption despote is heavier and have biger displacement its due to more friction and balancer mass in duc engine ., ktm have cruise control👍🏻 yea i would buy ktm from this 2 👌🏻 duc sounds better and have better max acceleration for race more rigid frame more suspension setup etc for road its pointless and make service more expensive i quees unless intervals are much longer 👌🏻 both not bike for me but yea if im must choice one as daily than ktm 👍🏻 whellbase as prevention whelly is one of way another are electronique gearing weight distribution if or not in this egzample longer wheelbase are for prevent whelly we dont know if we not solve first weight distribution electronique and gearing 😁👍🏻 feg 140 nm at 7 k rpm with 1 gear with 100 km/h at 7 k rpm assuming we comapre gear to gear be lift fromt much less than 70 nm at 7 k rpm with 25 km/h at 7 k rpm at 1 gear 🤭 cos watt :m/s = force 👌🏻 simple math 👍🏻 or centre of gravity hight 1 lenght 1 = 1 G hight 1 lenght 1,1 = 1,1 G limit bike with longer wheelbase with 1 G limit cos of centre of gravity will go earlier on wheel than shorter wheelbase bike with centre of gravity in such point that limit be 1,15 G feg and at end offcorse roder be itself can add or decrease weight at front or rear be body position 👍🏻 anyway from such theoretical comaprision i would choice ktm but ergo is most important factor like for me so maybe after test ride i would at end choice duc 🤷🏻♂️ anyway this channel show how make good comaprision withput even do real world ride test side to side on both bike this comaprision show more and better info than alot test with real world riding 🤭 good job 👍🏻
Pahahahhah ktm doesn't stand a chance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Get a narrator who knows how to read. Jeez!