An added benefit is that using this would diminish carbon fiber fatigue. When I’m using my Kickr I’m amazed at how much stress I’m putting the chain stays and seat stays through on big efforts. Energy that would otherwise be distributed to the wheels or other areas are instead exerted on those areas and over time it must take its toll.
I just got the E-Flex Plus for Kickr Core. I was worried that it would be hard to balance and easy to tip. It's not at all! And I would say my balance is just average. I quickly moved the front end adjustment from fully locked down to the mid point where there's plenty of side to side motion. I haven't tried a rocker plate but I can say this feels really natural and much more comfortable than riding a rigid trainer with no movement. I love the fact that it is so small, compared to a rocker plate. It's a purchase I'm very glad I made and would recommend it.
@@jimlombardo9046 I forgot I posted this. Well here's my impression .. Mine was 450.00 + 30$ shipping. It can be a bit tippy. I lock the front end down for when I mount the bike. Getting off is easier it seems. I like the forward/aft motion. I'm not much of a sprinter but it seems standing is when you get the action of back and forth. It hasn't seemed to help with any of my sore spots on the saddle. It's a different type of feeling on the bike, but not much. If I had tried it out in the store first I probably would not have bought it. But it's ok..I'll keep it
One would think you could just get some metal tubing in bolt it one to widen the stance. You shouldn’t have to but it would work to improve the stability
@@Dcrainmaker Just make sure you don't squash the peanut! My little one always wants to "come and watch" when I'm on the trainer. Although I guess it's old hat in your household.
When I first got my KICKR CORE getting out of the saddle felt very unnatural and the front wheel on a big phone book probably didn’t help. Couldn’t ride for longer than an hour or two though. Keen to get another trainer again now I’ve seen this.
Per the manual, you had the front mount backward. Instead of "U" position, it should be "n" position. The tighten knob should be in front of fork looking down from handlebar.
I was surprised to see how narrow the back unit was. Seemed to be even more narrow than the Kickr's legs when spread. Any idea if they are going to make a version that will work with the Climb? BTW, thanks for turning off the traffic light.
I haven’t seen any indication of a CLIMB variant. As one person pointed out in the comments section of my written post, the front fork stand controls exactly how much rotation is permitted, which in turn controls the tilt at the back. If you lack control of the front rotation, it may result in flipping things...as I nearly demonstrated in the video.
@@Dcrainmaker Yeah, they would have to have a cup like mounting point for the base of the climb to sit in to allow / control the rotation and tilt of the Climb. Not sure how that would work mechanically. BTW, HumbleTriathlete says "Hi".
@@Dcrainmaker Yeah, I was thinking of a cup kind of thing the base of the Climb to sit in to hold it securely. It would allow the Climb to tilt up and down while the existing controls the yawing of the Climb/fork. I don't know how the the tilt wouldn't become a splay as the elevation of the Climb of the could just force the rear unit backwards. Neat concept if the could make it work. BTW, HumbleTriathlete says "Hi".
All that would have to be done is make the base a bit wider, if it had the same footprint or just a bit larger that the KICK has with the legs folded out, it would be good to go.
And fail - "this only works on this one trainer". I get that they may expand based on sales... but the Kickr Core opened so many doors and this rig's price point seems to suite Core riders. Ray - not sure if a fair comparison - but how is 'road feel' on this vs the Climb? I hit the LIKE based on the camera fail alone!! good review as always.
Was going to order for Xmas, but see the E-Flex is currently out of stock. When querying about when it would be back in stock, I asked InsideRide if they had addressed the various issues you had illuminated in your review and their response was, "Yes, we addressed those issues last January. We are all good now." Have you checked one out lately (and if so, is this true? Have they made any changes?)? Any follow-up on the E-Flex by Ray or users would be much appreciated.
Ray--In your estimation, will this introduce enough "left-to-right" and "front-to-back" to address the "I love the ease/convenience of my turbo trainer but...the degree to which it keeps me in the same position decreases my time on bike"? challenge?
Does the use of tri shoes limit you from having a sock game? 😂 while I don’t personally see the value in this much tech for an indoor trainer, I can see why a zwift enthusiast would want one of these, I can also see wahoo wanting to own that tech or provide the features of 3-axis movement in their kickr range, I’d be surprised if they didn’t do something a little more integrated in their next gen product.
Thanks for the reply. @@Dcrainmaker based on "Real Feel" what would you go for? . I am currently testing out the MP1 during lockdown here in RSA but would like to know what other toys are out there. Did not even know of this until I came across your video
When riding a bike, ALWAYS wear your helmet. You never know ... I can imagine going to get stitches on the head and with a broken arm, telling the doctor at the ER : "Well, I was riding inside on my trainer, then the camera fell from the ceiling hit my head and I fell sideways from the bike ..."
It seems that you put the front piece in the wrong direction... Don't you ? On the pict of their web site it's in the opposite direction, but may be it doesn't matter ?
Hey Ray, could you get on easier if you straddle the bike first? I never, ever get on my bike on the trainer the way you and Lama do. I think it stresses the frame more than need be. Yes, I know, prolly not enough to cause any damage, but then my "trainer bike" that stays on the trainer 365 days a year is an old Trek 2100. The one with the carbon fiber tubes glued into aluminum lugs...
6:42... WOW! my "pain cave" otherwise known as my living room has NO walls within reach of the trainer... Hmmm... and for a minute I thought this looked pretty good...
@Charles Rush I actually emailed the company about it and got a statement from them. They said they looked into it, but due to the Neo's wing'd feet design, that it made it more difficult, so instead they went for the larger userbase that uses these Kickr's, which also made it much easier to design.
Wahoo will probably soon introduce the Showr, to simulate rain inside. Immersion at its best ! Also comming up, the Wankr. An app. that simulate a driver screaming and honking at you.
Kickr bike looks amazing but way out of my price range, surprised they didn't put side to side roll on it as well as the ascent/descent but I guess it would have to have large legs so you wouldn't tip over. Imagine that with a vr headset wow.
Unfortunately not. It doesn’t have any viable way to mount it. I mean, sure, with a welding torch you could do it...but you’d be starting off at like 15% incline!
I don’t “promote” things. And as for the product, I don’t really draw any line there in either direction (there are things I review that inversely not available in the US).
duuuude PLEASE stand over the frame - both feet on floor - BEFORE clipping in. You're a bigger guy too, cmon. OUCH that hurt to watch. Alost lost my lunch when u put left hand on right shifter... guys, just swing one leg over, both feet on floor, both hands to shifters, one foot at a time into pedals. thaaaanks - your bike
Umm...I was explaining why on this particular setup you actually have to cross reach to avoid flipping it. As for dual feet on floor, no triathlete need do that, we can even mount the bike mid-air. ;)
An added benefit is that using this would diminish carbon fiber fatigue. When I’m using my Kickr I’m amazed at how much stress I’m putting the chain stays and seat stays through on big efforts. Energy that would otherwise be distributed to the wheels or other areas are instead exerted on those areas and over time it must take its toll.
I just got the E-Flex Plus for Kickr Core. I was worried that it would be hard to balance and easy to tip. It's not at all! And I would say my balance is just average. I quickly moved the front end adjustment from fully locked down to the mid point where there's plenty of side to side motion. I haven't tried a rocker plate but I can say this feels really natural and much more comfortable than riding a rigid trainer with no movement. I love the fact that it is so small, compared to a rocker plate. It's a purchase I'm very glad I made and would recommend it.
6:28 - For me this just highlights the road-like experience - if I were on the road and staring at my phone, I would fall over.
For me, that's a good price point. Hopefully something will come along (from Wahoo?) that'll also work with the Kickr Climb (and Core).
Haha kudo’s on the ‘blooper’.
Almost drop testing Ray and a camera in one video. That made me 😂
Mine just came in today. Got it setup pretty quickly.. I'll be back with my test ride comments.
Update?
@@jimlombardo9046 I forgot I posted this. Well here's my impression .. Mine was 450.00 + 30$ shipping. It can be a bit tippy. I lock the front end down for when I mount the bike. Getting off is easier it seems. I like the forward/aft motion. I'm not much of a sprinter but it seems standing is when you get the action of back and forth. It hasn't seemed to help with any of my sore spots on the saddle. It's a different type of feeling on the bike, but not much. If I had tried it out in the store first I probably would not have bought it. But it's ok..I'll keep it
@@jimlombardo9046 I had the front mount backwards .. As DC Rainmaker has it here. I changed it around and now it works fine
This is a really good workout... I have been practicing... Thanks for sharing your idea thru this video.. keep watching..stay connected
They show it working with the core as well. Guessing they refined the design or something to work with both.
Thanks for the review! good quality work, as always. Any plan on reviewing the latest E-Flex Plus verison?
One would think you could just get some metal tubing in bolt it one to widen the stance. You shouldn’t have to but it would work to improve the stability
Can one replace the front mechanism with the Wahoo Climbr and still have it work?
Do you have to use the front attachment? Will it work with the front wheel attached to the bike but not using the front end mount?
Interesting concept, thanks for sharing Ray
6:35 Yeah, no. No in a squash your cat way.
Shane Miller - GPLama Thankfully I don’t have cats. And Lucy the dog is too lazy to do anything but sit on the couch.
@@Dcrainmaker Just make sure you don't squash the peanut! My little one always wants to "come and watch" when I'm on the trainer. Although I guess it's old hat in your household.
Nathan Budd Funny tidbit: We don’t have any trainers in our household.
When I first got my KICKR CORE getting out of the saddle felt very unnatural and the front wheel on a big phone book probably didn’t help. Couldn’t ride for longer than an hour or two though.
Keen to get another trainer again now I’ve seen this.
Go Pro falls from the sky - checks bike 🤣
So would you recommend this over the mp1? And or just pick up a climb?
hello there'd you prefer wahoo or the new Tacx Neo 2T?thanks for your answer...good job good video!!!
Per the manual, you had the front mount backward. Instead of "U" position, it should be "n" position. The tighten knob should be in front of fork looking down from handlebar.
Not then. It’s after my feedback that they changed things. ;)
@@Dcrainmaker Ah I see, I just got it today! Did you have it set on 650C?
would this work with the kicker climber
man i love this idea!!! good on them
Greetings thanks for the video 👍. Question What is the maximum movement that you have back and forth ? thanks DC Rainmaker
Why not use a normal wheel on a plank(for rising) without a wheelblock instead of the front mount ?
you didn't mention it, but is there front thru-axle support?
They currently can handle 12mm x 100mm thru axle forks (along with the 9mm x 100m quick release).
Does this system allow you to make use of the Zwift mountain bike course? I.e. when you mount your phone on the bars...
Wonder if the measurements and the watts are still the same on these things?
I was surprised to see how narrow the back unit was. Seemed to be even more narrow than the Kickr's legs when spread. Any idea if they are going to make a version that will work with the Climb?
BTW, thanks for turning off the traffic light.
I haven’t seen any indication of a CLIMB variant. As one person pointed out in the comments section of my written post, the front fork stand controls exactly how much rotation is permitted, which in turn controls the tilt at the back. If you lack control of the front rotation, it may result in flipping things...as I nearly demonstrated in the video.
@@Dcrainmaker Yeah, they would have to have a cup like mounting point for the base of the climb to sit in to allow / control the rotation and tilt of the Climb. Not sure how that would work mechanically. BTW, HumbleTriathlete says "Hi".
@@Dcrainmaker Yeah, I was thinking of a cup kind of thing the base of the Climb to sit in to hold it securely. It would allow the Climb to tilt up and down while the existing controls the yawing of the Climb/fork. I don't know how the the tilt wouldn't become a splay as the elevation of the Climb of the could just force the rear unit backwards. Neat concept if the could make it work.
BTW, HumbleTriathlete says "Hi".
All that would have to be done is make the base a bit wider, if it had the same footprint or just a bit larger that the KICK has with the legs folded out, it would be good to go.
And fail - "this only works on this one trainer". I get that they may expand based on sales... but the Kickr Core opened so many doors and this rig's price point seems to suite Core riders.
Ray - not sure if a fair comparison - but how is 'road feel' on this vs the Climb?
I hit the LIKE based on the camera fail alone!! good review as always.
Was going to order for Xmas, but see the E-Flex is currently out of stock. When querying about when it would be back in stock, I asked InsideRide if they had addressed the various issues you had illuminated in your review and their response was, "Yes, we addressed those issues last January. We are all good now." Have you checked one out lately (and if so, is this true? Have they made any changes?)? Any follow-up on the E-Flex by Ray or users would be much appreciated.
Hmm, that's the first I've heard of any changes there.
I would be interested to see if the issues were addressed as well.
looks cool
QR front only or through axle compatible?
They currently can handle 12mm x 100mm thru axle forks (along with the 9mm x 100m quick release).
Making progress but definitely needs to be more stable. Cool stuff though.
Will the fork stand of the E-Flex work with the Wahoo Indoor Cycling Desk?
New to this channel. Why were you wearing two watches?
Only available in US DC, are they available in European Union??
Ray--In your estimation, will this introduce enough "left-to-right" and "front-to-back" to address the "I love the ease/convenience of my turbo trainer but...the degree to which it keeps me in the same position decreases my time on bike"? challenge?
100% definitely. I don’t think it’s awesome for sprints, but it’s super solid for adding in light movement.
Any changes on power reading with all this movement of the kickr?
No issues.
Does the use of tri shoes limit you from having a sock game? 😂 while I don’t personally see the value in this much tech for an indoor trainer, I can see why a zwift enthusiast would want one of these, I can also see wahoo wanting to own that tech or provide the features of 3-axis movement in their kickr range, I’d be surprised if they didn’t do something a little more integrated in their next gen product.
Is duct tape included?
Why in the world did they not make the rear base wider right off the bat? not surprised it's a bit tipsy.
How does this compare to the side-side motion of the Tacx Neo 2T??
Much more
Agree this looks really compelling at this price. Maybe more compelling than the Kickr bike as it can be steered and adds rocker motion.
Curious to hear what you would say is better, this or the Saris MP1?
Also price wise?
Price-wise it's 1/3rd the price. I think given that factor alone I'd choose this.
Thanks for the reply.
@@Dcrainmaker based on "Real Feel" what would you go for?
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I am currently testing out the MP1 during lockdown here in RSA but would like to know what other toys are out there.
Did not even know of this until I came across your video
When riding a bike, ALWAYS wear your helmet. You never know ...
I can imagine going to get stitches on the head and with a broken arm, telling the doctor at the ER :
"Well, I was riding inside on my trainer, then the camera fell from the ceiling hit my head and I fell sideways from the bike ..."
Really, again?
Hi Ray,I looked at there website and out of stock..
Looks good to me, but maybe needs to be heavier so it doesn't tip over.
Want this....on a Neo!!!
Maybe strap it to a sheet of plywood for stability. It'll replace your sweat mat, too.
What kind of mat do you have under your trainer?
Eike L. It’s just some generic mat I picked off of Amazon that was super cheap.
It seems that you put the front piece in the wrong direction... Don't you ? On the pict of their web site it's in the opposite direction, but may be it doesn't matter ?
OT: Do you plan to test the new Apple Watch 5 and Garmin Fenix 6 in open water swim? =)
Yup!
@@Dcrainmaker great!I can't believe that the Apple 4 was the best in open water...hope to se something better on new Fenix 6. Thanks =)
Whatever happened to this? Looked good.
Hey Ray, could you get on easier if you straddle the bike first? I never, ever get on my bike on the trainer the way you and Lama do. I think it stresses the frame more than need be. Yes, I know, prolly not enough to cause any damage, but then my "trainer bike" that stays on the trainer 365 days a year is an old Trek 2100. The one with the carbon fiber tubes glued into aluminum lugs...
Lol, the go pro was trying to be a "drop bear".
Please take my money!!💵💸
6:42... WOW! my "pain cave" otherwise known as my living room has NO walls within reach of the trainer... Hmmm... and for a minute I thought this looked pretty good...
The underlying issue with all these contraptions is the lack of gyroscopic effect. That's what gives the bicycle is unique feel out on the road.
The lack of Neo support makes me sad.
@Charles Rush I actually emailed the company about it and got a statement from them. They said they looked into it, but due to the Neo's wing'd feet design, that it made it more difficult, so instead they went for the larger userbase that uses these Kickr's, which also made it much easier to design.
Things are getting too complicated and expensive imo
All in the pursuit of a more immersive experience. Though, this is 1/3rd the cost of the Saris MP1 platform.
Wahoo will probably soon introduce the Showr, to simulate rain inside. Immersion at its best !
Also comming up, the Wankr. An app. that simulate a driver screaming and honking at you.
Not in this space,motion simulation is long overdue and a game changer for sure.
Traffic is getting too complicated where I live.
Kickr bike looks amazing but way out of my price range, surprised they didn't put side to side roll on it as well as the ascent/descent but I guess it would have to have large legs so you wouldn't tip over. Imagine that with a vr headset wow.
thank god you didn't fall off on your right side lol
Cool, but what about compatibility with Kickr Climb?
Unfortunately not. It doesn’t have any viable way to mount it. I mean, sure, with a welding torch you could do it...but you’d be starting off at like 15% incline!
DC Rainmaker 😀👍🏻
Can't just use the Climb and not use the InsideRide front unit instead? The Climb can rock back/forth slightly.
Looks like you might need to wear your helmet indoors DC... 😁😂
It's a 2-year UCI ban for sprinting on the hoods. 😝
and another year for not wearing socks
Whats the best Saris rocker plate mp1, Eflex?
Proof that great cardio doesn’t get rid of “dad bod”, lol. That’s okay, dad bod is still my pref.
I think he's too busy filming and going to conferences to have a decent, regular diet.
Cross chaining...!
Wow super dodgy, that thing needs to be way more stable or a disaster will happen.
$400??!??!
They don't ship to EUROPEAN countries Ray so what's the point in promoting it??
I don’t “promote” things. And as for the product, I don’t really draw any line there in either direction (there are things I review that inversely not available in the US).
duuuude PLEASE stand over the frame - both feet on floor - BEFORE clipping in. You're a bigger guy too, cmon. OUCH that hurt to watch. Alost lost my lunch when u put left hand on right shifter... guys, just swing one leg over, both feet on floor, both hands to shifters, one foot at a time into pedals. thaaaanks - your bike
Umm...I was explaining why on this particular setup you actually have to cross reach to avoid flipping it.
As for dual feet on floor, no triathlete need do that, we can even mount the bike mid-air. ;)
Where are your socks !!!!!
In the washing machine. Too many rides!
This looks really unsteady and unsafe. I can see why you are near the wall
Seems expensive for what it is. Not for me, I just don’t get it.
Your "triathlete" is showing. Sprint in the drops, not the hoods.
Came to say the same thing!
Your bicycle seat is too high for you. you should lower it one or two centimeters
He's a tri-guy, whaddya expect...;-)
I am a physiotherapist and triathlete
At some point... why not just go ride outside? Nobody has every explained this to me.
Because people are tired of getting hit by cars.
@@Dcrainmaker Interesting... it just looses so much of the magic for me.