The pregnant girl may be THE most unlucky character in the series (or at least competing for the title). She felt sick so she went to sleep and missed all the commotion so when she wakes up her friends are panicking, one gives birth to a monster and she has no idea what's happening. Later she is rescued, she's bleeding and confused, her brother wants to give her something but her friend decide to NOT give it to her saying that she doesn't trust it (for good reason but she doesn't know it). Her brother then die, she's alone so she decide to take the siringe. She was put into the worst possible situation and she had 0 information about what was happening.
Great observation. Felt the same but... Its even more brutal then you describe. Cause later she gives a most painful birth to sn abomination and gets sucked of by it. FUCK ME, jesus christ A grimm fate for any mother. Sick, sick image. But nice horror Also felt for a pilot girl. Alvarez raises enough stakes to feel for every character's despair at shattered dream.
Love the fact that the colony was kinda portrayed as a poverty riddled slum. Street vendors, prostitution, people are miserable, the planet sees no sunlight, crime (the attack on Andy was sad) it really felt like a long lived in environmental where, as you mentioned, the general populace, are slaves, trying their best to survive. Absolutely brilliant world building.
@foofighter66625 the 3/4th act should have brought it back there. What happens to a colony when it was overrun like Aliens. The sets were there the cast was there. I honestly thought that's where it was going
Felt the horror aspect just wasn't there at all. Same with the gore was expecting more from Fede. Didn't once feel scared. Facehuggers were creepy for sure though and the stars of the film. The ending, erm, not a fan 😳 Felt like it was played WAY too safe and the hybrid itself I just didn't feel at all. Mix of Prometheus/Alien ending and it just didn't work for me. Felt like Ridley had been fiddling too much in the movie with the design of it maybe? Effects though, top notch through out. Even dodgy deep fake Ash 😂😂
So no one picked this up yet, being too distracted in their annoyance, but after my second viewing and listening for connections, I believe the main reason why (besides the fan service levity/nod) Andy is weird about delivering “the line” from Ripley Queen battle in Aliens is because 1) yes he doesn’t know the word and how to use it and 2) Bjorn TWICE in the movie uses the word DIRECTLY to Andy who 3) both times the camera focuses on his face showing he doesn’t understand the word but is learning it. So this is the reason, in story, why Andy uses it, following Bjorn’s delivery - and it just happens to be a nod. But that helped make more sense of it and not feel weird about it.
@mrscanlan.5016 I believe she sustained minor injuries and feared that her baby was in jeopardy of dying and the evil Andy mandated by MU/TH/UR saying that she could be at risk unless she takes the Compound Black Goo to help her injuries, which would make sense since he lied and since Rook lied to him about the Compound being usable which it wasn't🍻
I'm so glad someone else has pointed this out, he also paused before he said it, like he was learning how to use the word appropriately. I personally never thought any call back was bad, I even liked rook.
Anyone notice how aside from Alien 3, all these movies end with the big alien threat getting ejected out in space? Alien 1979, Aliens, Alien Resurection, Alien Covenant, Alien Romulus
Alien 3 was set on a planet with an atmosphere so you have more options when it comes to killing a creature with acid for blood. On a ship surrounded by the vacuum of space, ejecting it out is the best way of also guaranteeing you don't also destroy the ship. Even without acid for blood, the best bet for getting rid of any hostile creature would be ejection from an airlock, since shooting bullets or using a flamethrower etc., still risks the integrity of the ship. Containment is the best option so you might as well try to contain in it an airlock where you can then blast it into space.
@@jonathanb2622 just saying, it happens every time, plus after Romulus we now kniw the Xeno can survive in the vacuum of space which means the Xeno queen is still alive and floating out in space near LV-426
@@TimeBomb014X Yes, it's called "formulaic". Unfortunately, it's what you'll see in any big franchise that wants to appeal to as general an audience as possible. Changing the formula could make future movies harder to sell when general audiences have come to expect the familiar story beats that made them connect with the franchise in the first place. It's why I don't fault Fede Alvarez for making what's essentially a "greatest hits" of the Alien franchise. It's what he was hired to do. This was meant to be a soft reboot by returning to form after the sour taste Prometheus and Covenant left in people's mouths. They even got a suitably young and talented actress to carry the franchise for years to come. Once you see the business decisions that are made behind the scenes, you'll realize how much of a bane they are on artistic creativity. That said, I had fun with this movie and place it in third place behind Aliens (my number one) and Alien.
@@The_Isaiahnator I mean I had fun, not complainig (Newborn looked goofy with his human face trying to be evil) but the cast was too young for me, just made me think back to how the cast in Alien looked like blue colors guys and grown ass people with 9 to 5 jobs, this cast looked like they off too school with their Avengers lunchbox their mom made
Yeah, I wish they would put that to bed. It was especially bad with the hybrid, because that is how it died in Alien Resurrection. I think they mostly do this because it is one of the few ways to kill an alien without destroying the ship because of the acidic blood. It was pretty cool how they used the lack of gravity to at least temporarily get away from this consequence. It would be cool if some crew member thought of a way to use some kind chemical to counteract the acid in a creative way.
Anything goes with these creatures. I thought Ripley scorched her first xeno with the engine at the end of Alien and now here we are. WY scavengers could still extract enough DNA from it to recreate the pathogen. We could see that fire can harm them, but then the one in Alien 3 didn’t bat an eye when boiling lead was poured on it. I am still confused how much damage fire/heat can do to them.
I agree except for that there definitely are several messages present in fact, including maybe people should not blindly trust mega corporations to treat people fairly or humanely regarding their employment or healthcare, and to maybe expect the opposite with gaslighting abuse instead, including that corporate robotic science officers are programmed to do what’s best for the company first and foremost, including lie or hide all the dangers and risks of experimental treatments they claim to be safe and effective miracle cures. Many people don’t realize the long history of many safe and effective medical treatments of the past turning out to cause cancer, birth defects, deformities, injuries and death, while being sold to the public as safe for vast sums of profit. Maybe it’s better to not be pressured into injecting ourselves with unknown experimental genetic material without first understanding everything about it with informed consent, instead of just going by the sales pitch recommendations of criminally untrustworthy mega corporations and their salesmen, that is unless very possible injury, disease, death and deformed mutant babies are continually being lied to are all actually ok with society. I appreciate the message of caution towards dangerous deception by corporate business and science organizations and their primary directive above all else - the profit motive!
This movie is marginal at best, and to be honest I thought it sucked with all those dopey references to the previous movies and incompetent characters, and that ending......ridiculous.
The ending could’ve been so much better if they didn’t show the pregnant girl actually take the black in the lift. And then just reveal and empty capsule once they are back on the ship straight before she gives birth. That way it wouldn’t have been so obvious something was going to happen with her
Or better yet maybe her dumb ass shouldn't have injected it? Who the hell just injects random shit into themselves? Rain even stopped them from injecting her the scene before saying she didn't trust it. People shit on Prometheus and Covenant for dumb character decisions, but this movie was full of them yet it's getting a pass.
Idk about “so much better” but I suppose they could’ve been a bit more subtle, like maybe instead of directly showing her doing the injection just reveal the empty canister somewhere on the ground later when shit starts hitting the fan again. It was obvious something would happen with her pregnancy but it was never obvious what that something would actually be, I had a couple guesses & got pretty close but still very surprised by the actual outcome. I still think it was important to show her moment of desperation & indicate that she gave it to herself not someone else forcing her. She wanted to save her baby’s life so badly only for it to turn out to be such a horrific monstrosity, such a dark scene/cruel fate the more I think about it.
Ok so Big Chap, despite his limited appearance, showed he cocooned post ejection from the Narcissus and survived space. The same must be true of the queen who was sucked out of the airlock of the Sulaco from Aliens.
It was the 'force awakens' of the alien franchise (member berry clone) and maybe the last one was 'the last Jedi', wouldn't rate it either lol but glad you enjoyed 👍🥲
I didnt like the depiction of the colony. In the original Alien and Aliens, the staff at least looked like staff. In this, they were slaves. People would riot if they just doubled their contract like that. No way.
Yeah I didn’t quite like that too. It was a convenient plot point to get Rain to go on the trip, it should’ve been she was already stuck in a 10 year contract or something longer as motivation.
looked like staff, that were being used as test experiments? yeah so slaves that just don't realise it yet, aliens its so obvious that this is a theme why would it not be obvious now?
Weyland Yutani controls the travel you can't leave the system without a cryo pod. You can choose not to work Weyland Yutani can choose not to feed or house you.There is no legal way of planet without the consent of Weyland Yutani.
QUESTION. If the gravity generators were turned off on the station and kept rebooting on and off then how did the beaker/jar with the facehugger leg in it not spill and was shown still sitting on the counter? 🤔
@@danielpeckham5520 no it was the entire station until the power is turned back on. It’s also stated the station has LIMITED power but somehow every single system on the ship is operational. It’s really strange.
Am I the only one that thinks that the twist at the end is that she gave birth to twins? You know, Romulus and Remus? That would mean that one offspring is still hiding onboard.
Btw I found it weird they never showed what happened to the mother's body, did she die and was the body even jettisoned into space? It would be a serious biohazard if it's just laying around the ship.
Jonsson's performance elevates this film. It's up there with Henrickson, Fastbender and Holme. Here's hoping we see more leading roles with him in the future, he's a rising star.
Some fringe "fans" may hate Aliens, but it's widely recognized as a masterpiece. And it didn't contradict anything from Alien, it expanded on it. Not all criticism is created equal.
Watched Romulus last night. It's a decent movie, and I had fun, but it's nothing special. I'd rank it below Alien 3 (Assembly Cut), though it looks much better aesthetically. I enjoyed it, but it has significant issues: 1. Casting: Aside from Andy and Raine, the characters aren't memorable or likable, even compared to secondary characters from Aliens. (I really liked Andy and Raine's relationship though, and cared for both - the beginning on the colony was great) 2. Dialogue: The call-backs to earlier movies were cringeworthy and unnecessary. The new dialogue lacks impact and memorability. 3. CGI: Rook's CGI was terrible, on par with the Princess Leia deep-fake. He should've been shown more damaged or in shadows to hide the flaws. 4. Xenomorphs: They were underused and not threatening. Even Scorched, the main xeno from the trailer, had little impact and no direct kills. 5. Final Act: The last fight was a poor copy of Alien: Resurrection but with an even worse creature. The Slenderman-Engineer looked terrible and wasn't scary. ( I didn't think Ridley had any influence on this movie, but man was I wrong and the movie suffered badly for it, Fede should have distanced this movie as far as possible from Prometheus/Covenant) 6. Score: The music was serviceable at best, borrowing from classic themes from the earlier movies. It's fine but It lacked its own identity and wasn't memorable though. Overall, Fede Alvarez didn't surprise me at all here, he consistently makes good but not great movies, often dropping the ball on casting and the score, and there's almost zero originality here, just as other reviews have mentioned, it's like an Alien franchise greatest hits, only the hits were poor cover versions this time around. This movie isn't terrible, but it is far, far away from Alien and Aliens. This movie started as an 8/10 for me for a while, and quickly dropped to a 6/10
The acid blood was more of a villian than the actual Xenos. It felt quite silly. Good breakdown. I feel mostly the same. The score felt oppressive though. The best scores know when NOT to add music... seemed like whoever did this movie doesn't believe in that philosophy.
It's fascinating how divisive this film is. I saw it yesterday, and while I think it's plagued by numerous issues, I loved how it expanded upon the existing lore, the set designs, its connections to Prometheus, and I thought the ending was utterly unnerving. The ending and the other original aspects of this film that distinguish it from what came before it are its strongest attributes. Future Alien films should take MORE creative risks.
I think they shoukd just do a avp film set in the future. Taking major influence from the avp comics and video games as they got it right, we all want to see more colonial marines, maybe some lore on how the colonial marines came to be, we all know the USCM, are there other countries with a colonial marine corp? UKCM? Or FCM ? Do other countries have a space ferring marine military?
Its divisive cos it does nothing new and is far too safe and tame. It nerfs the facehuggers to the point they're being swatted away like pests, and doesnt even have the grace to make these characters likeable and fun to be around when they're having the gall to lazily remake Alien 1 and 4 🤦
Yes the XX121 Xenomorph reference is from the novel Aliens: sea of Sorrows. A great novel complete with music scores, sound effects, and independent voice actors to reprise character roles. I recommend Alien: Out of the Shadows and Aliens: River of Pain. All 3 novels have music scores, sound effects and different voice actors. The order you want to read or listen to these novels is Alien: Out of the Shadows, Aliens: River of Pain and Aliens: Sea of Sorrows in that order.
I loved it. I went during an afternoon showing so there wouldn't be as many people and basically had the theater to myself. It felt perfectly paced. I never checked my watch or had that how much longer is this thing feeling. I loved every second of it
I loved it. I honestly wished they had left Fede alone to his own devices and just trusted him. He's a fan and he loves it for all the reasons we do. The world building and the Gigeresque influences.
I'm glad to see some people loved and enjoyed it. I get frustrated with Ridley Scott interfering with movie projects like this. LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE THE HELM!
I get why WY weren´t aboard or even close to approaching the space station, but I found it odd that our group of youngsters were the only people aware that this huge craft had fallen into their planets orbit
i think other ls knew about the station but didnt want to risk getting destroyed with the station cuz they could prolly see the timeline for impact of it against the asteroid belt
If we think about too logically there would be no film 😅 I was thinking why there wasn't tighter security. WY still could have got in and out long before it hit the astroid belt seeing how much money they invested in the project.
Is that the same station from OG alien? Whatever the case how the hell did it end up right there next to the asteroid belt? How did the alien end up inside the space rock? The alien hung up above Rook looked like the hybrid from Resurrection which confuses me even more with the timeline. And how did any of them ever manage to farm and harvest facehuggers like that?
I love how Romulus strayed away from the Prometheus and Covenant emphasis on AI/synthetic as the antagonist with the aliens only as the backdrop. AI still has a nefarious role to play but isn't so much the antagonist in this movie. Which I prefer because after all didn't we fall in love with the struggle of the alien xenomorph vs human vs human greed aspect? At least, I did and thus really like this new installment, Romulus. David Jonsson as Andy gave the best performance here. Bravo!!!
Just got back and am going back again tomorrow- die hard fan and I LOVED this entry. Was intense all the way and it was just incredible- thank you for your coverage of this film!
My friend described it this way and now I can’t unsee it: It was like a theme park ride of the alien Franchise: all the familiar beats but nothing really outstanding on its own
@@andrewlee5848it’s pure derivative shlock. I honestly don’t understand why people are praising it so highly. You can pin point where they pilfered parts from other alien movies in this. The back part of the second act is the Aliens nest scene but done worse.
@@andrewlee5848There was a fresh take on the face huggers they are attracted to body heat & Andy adjust the room temperature so the crew can maneuver around the face huggers
I think they missed a very easy way they could have kept the good parts of this film (the suspense, action and return to the original Alien type "feel" to many parts of this movie), got rid of the need for the overly convoluted explanation for the research station existing, wrapped up the prequels and ended the black goo stuff (which I hate) all in one go. You could have literally had the same story as in this movie up until they find the alien infested ship in space, but instead of finding the research station, they find the colony ship we ended Alien Covenant in. David (Fassbender's character) had been creating aliens from the colonists as we expected him to, but the aliens he created have turned on him and killed him (in the same way he turned on his creators and killed many of them), and the ship is now drifting aimlessly in space as a result (as was the space station in Romulus). This way the prequels are somewhat respectfully wrapped up, the knowledge of the black goo can die with David and we don't have to return to it again, the franchise can move on and the characters in this movie still have a whole ship full of aliens and face huggers to play out the rest of this movie with. The only reason I assume they didn't do this, or something similar, is Scott's continued involvement with the franchise? Maybe he is hoping one day he might still get a chance to finish his prequel? I think this movie is a case of two steps forward and one step back, it's certainly a big improvement on the prequels, but I think they have to cut out any links to the prequels/the black goo etc (and thus probably Ridley Scott's involvement in any future projects) to get the franchise fully back on track.
When I saw the film the ending was met with stone cold silence, there was no buzz after the film with people talking excitedly about what they had just seen, they all just walked out and went home (or wherever they were going next).
I legit laughed out loud at least 3 times during the final act. It’s so incredibly goofy. At least 4 people walked out of the theatre during the ending. Think there were like 6 people who left after the movie was finished including myself lol. No one talked. Everyone just left looking disappointed.
After seeing how a girl with autoaim was able to obliterate the entire xenomorph colony I'm pretty amazed on how bigchap was able to bystand a full group of ppl with that weapons and do anything. It seems now xenomorphs are super weak and they explode with any kind of weapon. Why in aliens do they need big caliber weapons to kill aliens if they are so weak that they explode with small caliber weapons is now beyond me.....
It’s weird because the pool of blood is directly under where they have it chained up and where Rook is laying. Which implies they captured big Chap, strung him up from the ceiling, and then shot him while rook was laying underneath and blew its legs off, resulting in the acid creating the hole and burning rook. It dosent make a lot of sense honestly. It’s kind of just purely for setup. No one notices he’s even hanging there until Rook directs their attention to it.
@JosephPlissken You have to remember those rounds in the pulse rifle have explosive armor piercing tips & explode on contact cracking the zenomorphs armored skin
@@JosephPlisskenBig rounds? dog the m41-a pulse rifle fires 10mm caseless. That’s smg and handgun ammunition. Only thing is they fire charged explosive rounds
Wasn’t a fan of the callbacks either but I still recommend it. I bet when Alex White saw the nods to The Cold Forge, they were grinning from ear to ear.
I loved this movie and Andy was the heart and soul of that film. Stole the entire show for me. As a love letter, it is amazing that Fede chose to make nods at Isolation (checkpoint telephones strategically placed in film before every major set piece), the Scott prequels (people say it is was Scott, but in interviews Fede said it was his choice) and even Resurrection is wild.
My biggest problem with the film is when they get the guns it turns more into an action film and she ends up killing most of the aliens with a single clip and xenomorph basically just standing there doing nothing
I guess the director is bad at action sequences and got pushed into tacking on an action-packed finale, which unfortunately completely missed the mark. If the producers wanted an action movie, they should have let Neill Blomkamp do the Alien 5 project - not sure about his skill with horror, but his sci-fi action is strong.
@@FalseH3Even in gravity they move around as if gravity was a joke. They kind of ‘flow’ around. It has always amazed me how their movement seem to ignore gravity. I don’t think they are so helpless without gravity.
Remember back in Alien (1979) when Cain goes down the hole where they find all the eggs and the same blue light appears? Well, when Cain moves his hand through it, you can hear sound reaction to the movement and he says: “seems covered in a layer of mist…that reacts when broken” In Alien it might have been a barrier/alarm to prevent the eggs from sensing anyone outside the barrier and discharging their facehuggers. In Alien: Romulus on the other hand I’m not sure why they showed this, they were in the hive basically but there were no eggs so I don’t see the point of it unless it was just to please the fanbase you know, another callback.
@@starlit_hawser11 It was another memberberry taken from Alien (1979) with zero relevance in this movie. But it looked cool, so say the nostalgia hungry fans.
Resurrection was hokey but at least it had fun characters and tried something new with the newborn. This had unlikeable Gen Z mopes and not an original idea in its head!
Been watching you since the Prometheus days, and I must say this movie feels like a culmination of payoffs I’ve been waiting for since 2012 watching your channel. 12 years in the making mate
Mr H as someone who’s always been the go to for Alien content you had me stoked for Romulus. As someone who was genuinely buzzing to see Romulus based on the Director, his direction away from Scott’s Prometheass entries, who for years has been waiting for an Alien film that finally promised a trilogy - unfortunately with this and every new instalment that hope dwindles like a dying star but at least I’ll always have a great original and sequel and I’m content with those two films to last me a lifetime.
They did show the ample that the black mutagen was in, so, we can probably assume they have David’s information that he sent them according to bonus things with Covenant.
The only plot hole for me and maybe somebody can clear this up. Is how did the Waylon yutani planet not know that there is a Waylon yutani scientific research station floating right above it?
Because no exec is going to stay in a shit hole planet.And likely it is too highly classified research that WY do not want other competitors to find out.They could be aware of it but just not care about it.Everybody just want to mine and go home
I'm still wondering why WY don't just send a mission to LV426? There's a whole derelict ship full of viable eggs there that they obviously know about. Instead they go there & take years to build Hadley's Hope before Burke sends a colonist family to investigate. Doesn't make sense.
Well firstly, the planet was covered with dense clouds, so from the naked eye, no one would see it. Secondly, they say that the night before, they were about 200 miles above the ground (in the thermosphere if it was our planet), they picked up the renaissance beacon. But what they could deduce from the information of the beacon, was that it was just likely a decommissioned ship. Meaning the renaissance beacon wasn't a distress call, otherwise it could've travelled a lot further. It was just a beacon letting other nearby ships know of its flightpath etc
Unfortunately by the end 3rd of this movie I hated it... Remember Ridley kneecapped Neil and produced this... why? Because this changed the lore and forced the black goo into canon that now can't be ignored... Fuck Ridley.
The most honest, and best review on the internet right now. Good job, mate. My favorite Alien movie since Alien 1979. I loved prometheus, I have to say. Didn't care for the "David created the xenomorph" BS idea, but...I liked the movie.
Straight after Rain rescues Kay in the Hive, there's a brief cut of a Xenomorph's teeth screeching, calling the Xenomorphs to Kay's location. On a second watch, I noticed this shot of the Xenomorph is framed so close and quickly, that *I'M CONFIDENT* this is presumably the queen commanding the hive. This goes back to Fede's love for Alien Isolation, as the game hinted at a queen's presence multiple times, but never reveals it physically.
I wasn't sure there was a queen when I saw it. I thought I missed it if there was. So if you're confident that little snippet of that xenomorph was the queen then I am reassured. At the same time, I am also a bit disappointed there wasn't a full reveal of the queen. I also wished we knew in detail what happened aboard the space station after they captured Big Chap and how they managed to create all of those facehuggers seemingly with no eggs.
@@robertmorris4145 The renaissance station sourced two things from big chap - i.e the metaphorical Capitoline She-wolf. The Facehugger and the black goo (z01) The Facehuggers were bioengineered from the big chap's DNA, in printer incubators in the Remus section of the station - and z01 was extracted from the fully-formed Facehuggers which were then tested on lab rats in the Romulus section of the station. Near the entrance to the hive (below the Romulus lab), a few of the printer incubators were seen empty - hinting at them having broken out during their transportation to the Romulus labs (for z01 extraction) and leading to a Xenomorph outbreak. This either led to an outbreak that resulted in big chap wreaking havoc on the station, or as suggested by Rook, was the result of big chap wreaking most of the havoc and freeing those transported Facehuggers. We know that with a Xenomorph outbreak ultimately leads to a Queen through the Xenomorph's growth. Given how many Xenomorphs there are, and how many bodies are found through a small portion of the hive, a Queen is certainly somewhere, deeper in the station - harkening back to Alien Isolation
@@robertmorris4145 The renaissance station sourced two things from big chap - i.e the metaphorical Capitoline She-wolf. The Facehugger and the black goo (z01) The Facehuggers were bioengineered from the big chap's DNA, in printer incubators in the Remus section of the station z01 was extracted from the fully-formed Facehuggers in the Romulus section of the station - where tests were then done on lab rats. Near the entrance to the hive (below the Romulus lab), a few of the printer incubators were seen empty - hinting at them having broken out during their transportation to the Romulus labs (for z01 extraction) and leading to a Xenomorph outbreak. This either led to an outbreak that resulted in big chap wreaking havoc on the station, or as suggested by Rook, was the result of big chap wreaking most of the havoc and freeing those transported Facehuggers. We know that with a Xenomorph outbreak ultimately leads to a Queen through the Xenomorph's growth. Given how many Xenomorphs there are, and how many bodies are found through a small portion of the hive, a Queen is certainly somewhere, deeper in the station - harkening back to Alien Isolation.
My only gripe was the Ash CGI. So many better ways they could have done that including using a bishop model or even a David model. I also wasn't a huge fan of the "newborn" but it was nice to see Fede do something new. Everything else was amazing. Andy was my favorite character from his first scene. I wanted him to have a happy ending so bad. What an amazing performance by David and Cailee. I rooted for them the whole time. Looking forward to more from this
I decided to go and see this as I was at a loose end. It's been a long time since I've enjoyed a film in this franchise because I didn't like Prometheus or Covenant and I was dubious they could pull off another Alien film in space etc but I have to say it was a genuinely tense and solid, entertaining film, really enjoyed it. 8/10 I'd give it
At this point, what isn't owned by Disney? They did their best I think. They were clearly trying to appeal to a younger audience with the young actors while appeasing older fans. Visually stunning too.
Fede literally regresses Andy so that he doesn't have to follow through on what he sets up, that being dual protocol. What became really interesting is stripped from the only compelling character in the final act so that Fede doesn't have to explain why Andy doesn't follow through within his set narrative. Andy goes from being a driving force within the story to being once again along for the ride. It's a complete cop out. Superbly disappointing.
I may be alone on this, but the "child" born at the end seems to link a concept from the comics and something the ALIEN: RPG is exploring. An evolved species called "The Perfected". Anyone else familiar with this?
Call me crazy, I got a feeling Kay, might still be alive… because she still has that black stuff she injected herself with inside her body and we didn’t see Rain, eject the body. So anything can happen in that 9 year trip.
Yeah it was curious they never showed what happened to her body, a bit strange. I was expecting her to turn into a super zombie like happened in Prometheus when the guy was infected. Her body would certainly be a biohazard anyway so I wonder what was done with it
It had a blend of every Alien movie mixed in it like a recipe😂 Alien 1, Isolation, 2, 3, 4, Prometheus, and Covenant. It was overall a solid, decent film🎥
@@luisemilianogonzalezvinces3400 done so much more poorly buddy. The Newborn in Res is a creepy creature. The hybrid in Romulus is just a goofy mean spirited monster that looks like the slender man.
@@jaworski105 Agreed. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Resurrection did the human/xenomorph hybrid thing better with the Newborn, instead of that suckfest abomination for the Romulus finale.
I wasn't upset about how they explained the Big Chap surviving the ending of ALIEN. It would make sense that it would secrete the resin in to cocoon itself from the harshness of space similar to being in a cryo/stasis pod. The Offspring was an interesting concept being a mix of Engineer & Xeno. I knew as soon as Kay injected herself with that that it wasn't going to end well for her and the baby. I liked it, but I do want to see the Deacon come back in another film as a fully grown adult.
@@jaworski105 I wasn't disappointed but id of preferred that version, u could of got two films out of this , 1 the fall of space station then the film we just seen maybe one in theatre and one straight to stream
It was unoriginal, mostly boring, full of annoying member berries, and using Ian Holm was both disrespectful and the CGI looked awful. I'm glad you enjoyed it, people should enjoy things. But I did not.
Same. Went with a buddy of mine and we are die hard Alien franchise fans going all the way back to teenagers in the 80's, reading the Dark Horse comics in the 90's, etc. Have to put the rating for this one at the mid-point in terms of all of the films in the franchise: Alien, Aliens, and even Alien 3 despite its problems still hold my top 3. The sets/practical effects were great and the acting by Andy and Rain were superb, but other than that the other characters sucked, I just don't get the praise for this film. The story was bland, the use of the black goo was disappointing and felt unnecessary (forced by Ridley Scott?), and agree the use of Ian Holm (Ash / Rook) was not only disrespectful but lazy.
I think you’re just sour for whatever reason and not giving it a fair shot as a result. It’s legitimately a true alien film in years and Ian’s family approved of it. It was also plenty original for what it is. A monster flick in space. It’s not meant to expand our horizons or understanding, it’s there to give us some dumb fun with a freaky alien life form that does weird horrible things.
Given they got the fear right. I was thinking, you don't need goo, you don't need nods to the past, you don't need the company, you don't need centre actors. The alien is the star and I still think there is a claustrophobic in the depths of space no reference to the other movies cool scary Aliens movie to go. Fedde had it right until they the ship left the space station.
On pace to make $100M world wide opening weekend. The usage of miniatures and practical effects enhanced with some CGI was amazing. The additions to the lifecycle lore is great. Adult Xenomorph encasing itself in resin while in a vacuum, the chrysalis as it grows from the Chestburster to adult form, and new details how Facehuggers detect potential victims. The Offspring that developed from Kay's unborn child was interesting. Very likely the black goo extracted from the Facehuggers likely honed in on the fetus and left Kay alone in order to allow the birth. Bonus Fact: The Offspring at the end of the movie is a person in a suit/prosthetics. He is a 7' 7" / 231 cm tall basketball player from Europe name Robert Bobroczkyi Marvel is publishing a prequel comic that is probably going to show what happens on the station when they bring Big Chap onboard.
You are not missing anything. The easter eggs were nice as were the special effects (except Rook of course) but other than that? All I can do is sigh. So sick of the freaking black goo! Ridley Scot really just needs to let it go. Nobody is afraid of goo! Sheesh.
Sooo , a huge classified research space station in low orbit of a wayland yutani planet is boarded by a group of boyscouts but NOT the company ? Rook told us that he contacted the company to await for the injured girl carriying the compound.. couldnt he ask for proper help ? Even if the outbreak happened yoo fast to even call for.emergency... wouldnt it make sense to look for a station that hadnot send word in months ? (Specially a high priority vessel of expensive research) Thats like comon sense 101... but nope ...
@@godking seems like you forgot the planet just there who happens to be a wayland yutani mining operation.... The extraction of the compound would neeed a team of armed forces.. nothing more ....
@@visbaluz The local Wayland yutani forces may have been told to stand down and wait for the team to arrive . And remember that Wayland yutani does NOT want the existence of Xenomorphs to be generally known. Local troops might talk and need to be silenced.
@@godking thats real cope to just not acept bad writting..... even if they are told to stand and wait (6 months for a team from far far away) A) you create a perimeter around the ship to ensure NO 1 enters or leaves the station. B) as the boyscouts could tell , the station was losing "altitude" and on a crashing course.. so they wouldnt wait the whole 6 months .. C) a team of 15 or 10 heavliy armed WY security personel to get in and out the compound wich could later be executed (the survivors who completes the mission).. you know.. just as was surely what was going to happen to the pregnant girl if she accepted roooks take over of the ship.. Bad writing.. is bad.
Romulus directly expands on the events of the first film. That first film is perfect, I don't think I like seeing Big Chap's story continued offscreen them killed offscreen. I feel like Romulus didn't show Big Chap alive because it just wouldn't move/look the same as it did in the original Alien. Showing Big Chap alive with modern special effects would be a sharp contrast to how it appeared in Alien.
That is pretty valid. I'm sure they probably could have come close by using b-roll footage of Belaji's performance in the original movie to develop a baseline movement model for AI to work with, but it would likely have been a very expensive process to do it and would not have been 100% the same movement type. Also, given Romulus had a limited budget to work with, I'm sure that played a role in the decision to limit Big Chap's conclusion to the upcoming comic rather than on-screen.
I liked the android being called Rook, a little nod to "Into the Charybdis" by Alex White. And referring to "plagiarus praepotens" from his first book "The Cold Forge". Deep fan service, much appreciated. Romulus was a stunningly beautiful movie, the story, world and characters were almost perfect. Except the slendgineer at the end, that can f;;k the f;;k off. It felt crowbarred in to massage Ridley Scott's ego, fortunately those scenes are amazingly shot and don't detract hugely from the overall experience but took it from a 9.5 to an 8.7 for me. "Run"
Honestly i don't care if Ridly Scott hates the xenomorph queen...I liked the addon to that part of the creatures life cycle. I bet he hates all the expanded lore in comics as well. At least Fede Alverez treats the Alien franchise with respect with his own vision and direction. As for the "birth scene" saying this as a woman who never gave birth, but that is something in me that terrifies me....I can handle the montly periods, but that if that suddenly bursts out of my vagina....I would be scared shitless....Cool effects thou.
@@danielpeckham5520 I think that was thr point... the xeno that was morphing from a pod earlier I just had my thoughts on...ahh yes that look very much like a vagina....and the bloke violently thrusting the cattleprod made me think of rape.....We did see a similar rape scene in Evil Dead Rise made from same director....maybe I am reading to much into it.
Fair enough as someone who started off the franchise since it changed the trajectory of what the original film intended and Giger had set up. I even think Giger felt dissapointed with the design of the Queen. A lot of us don't like how a queen turns them more into bugs than a weird surreal entity. But to each their own, it's all still cool.
@@TheTrveMothlordI like the queens. And I don’t think their existence does any harm to the aliens lore. Xenomorphs are supposed to be the perfect organism, well know for their extreme ability to adapt and thrive. So them having multiple ways of reproducing makes sense. Egg morphing can still happen. And an alien drone can still become a queen. But a queen laying eggs would be faster than egg morphing. And most living things do try and take the most efficient way to get things done. So a single alien gets born, like in the first movie. It then gets victims and egg morphs them. Either it or one of its egg morphing victims can become the queen. I’m not sure about the criteria on which would become the queen, (either I’ve forgotten or it’s never been mentioned). Once the queen starts producing eggs, the colony will grow very fast. In some books/comics the queens are vastly more intelligent than the drones, which I think adds to the lore. Drones are deadly enough, but an intelligent queen commanding them, using tactics, etc. makes them even more deadly. Imagine if aliens used actual tactics, not just simple blend in to hide and ambush like we see in multiple movies, but something like a decoy xeno leading a team of marines into an ambush. Or maybe a bunch of xenos using a pincher movement to surround a group of people. As much as Resurrection gets shit on, one thing I liked was the scene where the 2 xenos attacked a 3rd to escape. That scene showed problem solving level intelligence, which the queens are stated to have in the books. What I personally never liked was the queen facehugger. I think that is what truely limits the xenos. A queen should be able to come from a drone or an egg morphed victim, not have to be born from a special face hugger.
After all that speculation that big chap was alive and kicking with electricity running through his veins like big trouble in little China raiden - and there he was strung up like something Hannibal prepared
While I know what they were trying to do with the 'rook' synth; they really needed to just use a new actor in a Green screen suit. Cause that CGI was fucking terrible.
There was one small plot hole I noticed , but I overlooked it . At the begining when the big chap is discovered and taken in by that drone ship . The xeno created a cocoon around itself and looked like an asteroid, fair enough , but why would it be next to the wreckage of the Nostromo . In the first Alien movie Ripley’s escape shuttle was hundreds of miles away when the Nostromo self destructed and the escape shutlle carried on going fowards into space away from the Nostromo site . So doesn’t make sense why the big chap would be in the collection of debris from the Nostromo explosion . I suppose they just wanted a close up shot of some the wreckage that said Nostromo on it , so we could be spoon fed Nostalgia I suppose ; though in reality it may have drifted through space and just so happen to stay in the debris area of the Nostromo for next 10 years , perhaps . Didn’t make much sense , but can easily overlook it , was only a minor thing 🙈🥰
@@starlit_hawser11 they just wanted the piece of space metal that said Nostromo on it 🙈 🙈 the way the Nostromo exploded like 3 times at the end of Alien , thermal nuclear explosions in space , the ships would of been vaporised back to its basic elements and atoms . Like you said though studios think we’re stupid 🙈🤣
Think they wanted to give people an obvious idea of where they are. Just finding a random rock floating around in space is just kinda random and like “okay”. But i guess if we have to give it a logic in world reason it to it. The shuttles engines were aimed at the nostromo, so when ripley blew chap out into space the fella got tossed into the debris field. Then with orbital mechanics and gravity the debris field basically just stayed in relative proximity of its contents, because they would all be held together by the gravity of every individual piece. Basically you have this blob of space junk traveling together. If it collects enough junk, would have started crashing into itself and you’d get a planet or moon with enough junk. We also have to ignore the 3 mega nuclear insane explosions of the first film and picture a more sane nuclear explosion in its stead.
There was one scene in Aliens that always annoyed me, it was when Lt Gorman learned that the marines mustn't fire their guns, he ordered them to give up their magazines and then continue. That made Gorman TOO STUPID. I thought what would've been better is he orders them to stop and return to the APC. So they start, but they encounter the trapped colonist and now the marines are in a moral dilemma. They stay and try to help the colonist, but all hell breaks loose. Romulus does something similar, but does it right. A door opens, they see the nest and decide to turn around. But they hear one of their own cry. That forced them to enter the nest to help their friend. It was the right decision even though hell broke loose later.
That bothered me to. Ripley warns him that his team was right under the heating towers and he sends them in anyways. Another thing that bothered me is the meeting before they go down to the planet when he tells the squad that " A Xenomorph may be involved" That made me question, well if he knew a xenomorph may be involved then why would they go down to the Alien nest in the first place?
I really really liked how the first half of the film is an homage to Alien and Alien: Isolation. Cramped, confined spaces, no real weapons to speak of. Hiding from place to place, feeling helpless as the xenomorph hunts you.
Later the autoaim low caliber weapon is able to obliterate all the adults xenomorphs with just one charge. I hate this movie with all my soul . Where is the horror if anyone with a cheap gun can obliterate the perfect organism as easy as butter
The Xeno’s got fully nerfed in this movie, for being the “perfect organism” it only killed 1 or 2 humans. The facehuggers were also far less effective than in previous movies too, being able to bat them away casually and walk passed them quietly just isn’t in keeping with anything we’ve seen before
It did NOT have to tie in to Prometheus/Covenant at all. Completely shoehorned in by Ridley. It's not even his franchise. I love his early work but I cannot stand what he's doing to Alien. It's disgusting.
Now, canonically, Ripley is the second person to say “get away from her, you bitch!” Andy is the first in the timeline to utter the phrase so now Ripley is the derivative one. What a travesty that is
@@manoz6194 they've fucked everything else why not this. Reading all the comments makes me laugh was I watching the same film as them. It's absolutely dogshit can't anyone else see that or are they just afraid to tell it like it is. Total crap
@@yodelusional it’s incredibly derivative and pilfers things from every other alien movie without saying anything interesting. Incredibly disappointing movie. That ending was atrocious.
The film shows a literal hologram of the black goo urn/vases from PROMETHEUS. Its possible they leaned into the deleted scene of covenant where David sent weyland yutani all his research which helped them reverse engineer the big chap.
Loved the movie, mainly because of Andy the Android! He was such an amazing character and so well acted. I am a big fan of the synthetic characters in all the alien films. I also loved the amazing sound design. The soundscape was incredibly disturbing and realistic. I thought the practical FX were amazing when they used them. There were a few scenes with a little wonky CG, but I can forgive it as they probably chose to use it because certain practical FX didn't turn out well. Some of the pacing of the film was a little weird, and the amount of Xenomorphs in the film was lacking, but overall, it was a great reignition of the series!
I enjoyed the movie overall. There was just two things that really annoyed me. The fact there are an army of xenomorphs, which seems more silly than scary. And that terrible creature at the ending. The design for that thing was stupid.
I agree with the ending. That hybrid was NOT scary. It just looked like a messed up engineer. If they made it like the neomorph or hybrid from Resurrection, but with more human characteristics, that would've been scary. Keep the elongated skull but add a mix of the neomorph, deacon, and human facial features. A genetic abomination would've been good.
They checked every box. o Ethnically diverse, mostly female cast, the cis white males verbally abused the minority supporting black character o Hicks teaches ripley how to use rifle o Infected side character wears white converses - births an alien. (they made sure we saw those shoes) o timer countdown o airlock battle o Prometheus birth of a resurrection hybrid with an engineer face (why????l o "get away from her you B" o strong female protagonist fights final boss in underoos / resurrection climax This is an embarrassment to the franchise and in the same vein of the Star Wars sequels - unoriginal garbage that insults the fans that grew up with this material Sound design 10/10 Set design 10/10 Cast 2/10 Script/screenplay 2/10 Wokeness: all boxes checked
It was indeed derivative slop. The movie takes elements from every movie in the franchise: Alien (1979): Both the Nostromo's wreckage and the Xenomorph are found, and Rook is the same type and build as Ash. A lot of the tech and sounds return as well (like the diaphragmatic hatches). Aliens (1986): A pulse rifle battle in an Alien hive with cocooned victims and multiple Xenomorph enemies; like Bishop, Andy prefers the term 'artificial person'; he uses Burke's term "busy little creatures", as well as Ripley's famous quote "Get away from her, you bitch." Alien³ (1992): The Alien gets within inches of Rain's face, and the 20th Century Studio fanfare gets distorted in a similar way; like Bishop, Rook's remaining upper half is reactivated; just before his death, Tyler taunts the Alien with "Is that all you got?" Alien Resurrection (1997): There is a newborn alien/human hybrid in the finale that is even hostile to its own mother. Prometheus (2012): The black mutagen makes a return, and Rook's explanation about it clearly refers to the Prometheus mission, the Engineers and doctor Shaw (Noomi Rapace). Alien: Covenant (2017): The mutagen has been extracted, purified and experimented with, creating Xenomorphs with a significantly shortened growth cycle and increased healing ability, quite similar to the Protomorph.
I think the best way to summarise Alien Romulus would be, its two hours of combining every Alien film in the franchise into one movie for the good and the bad. It left me feeling very "Bro can I copy your homework?" "Sure just change it up a little". As far as effects go the Ian Holm deep fake was the only bit that had me thinking they should have taken another method than that, it was atrocious to see in Imax, the worst part? the mouth! it looked so copy pasted on top of the rest! As far as the films story goes I feel there wasn't enough emphasis on the desperation to escape the planet. The Rain wasn't angry enough about being manipulated over and over again by the company, all we really got was exposition of how miserable the characters where, nobody actually seemed that oppressed. Also given that at least two of the characters seemed to have free access to a ship whenever they wanted it seemed absurd that ex boyfriend had never taken Rain up to just see the sun at any point before? that would be basic bitch territory to impress a partner right? Bjorn was there to give us someone we were looking forward to seeing killed off, what with his constant unprovoked abuse towards Andy. I actually really liked Andy's portrayal a lot, that the damaged synthetic felt more vulnerable and human than any of the other characters in the film. I kind of wish that his software repairs had remained after the chip was removed, minus the overriding "do it for the company" directive of course, although that did leave me wondering how software and hardware interact in this universe. Why did Andy revert back to his previous self? Maybe I missed an explanation about when he crashes and needs to be reboot he loses the updates? That would have been a nice way to tie in Rain going back to save him both physically and metaphorically. Everything is great until we hit trying to tie in Prometheus and Covenant. The instant Kay said she was pregnant I knew she was there purely because of that, her sole characters purpose is freaky birth sequence. She honestly serves nothing to the plot and is just there as a vehicle for grotesque hybrid fodder, which in itself felt like a weird amalgam of Prometheus and Alien Resurrection. The two sequences I loved where the most original ideas in the film (Clearly Ridley let go of the wheel for 5 minutes so Alvarez could cook). They creepy hot terror hallway of nothing but facehuggers actually made them scary again! The suspense of silence and seeing then waiting, twitching at any sound, wondering if our characters body temp would drop or if even the sound of sweat dripping would set them off! Then there's the glorious Zero-G Acid tunnel Vortex, chefs kiss to that! As if only worrying about being caught in the spray was bad enough now here's a whole swirling pool of death for you to somehow navigate through, oh and btw did we mention you're on a timer too? I'll be adding that to my list of nightmare fuel thanks Alvarez. I do completely agree with your point that being told how everything got the way it did sounds like I somehow missed a fantastic Alien movie in the series. Big chaps crucified remains (yes we see that religious metaphor very clever) with harpoon still embedded looming over everything felt very fan service but also that's it? that's all we got? felt wasted in a way. Something that I feel might have helped tie the movie to the overall "evil company" narrative might have been to have had the damaged station intentionally directed towards the mining colony. They obviously new the Xenomorphs could survive extreme heat and pressures so perhaps as an override Rook could have sent the station on a collision course with the planet as a way of seeding the planet with more specimens for company collection at a later date. It did feel very odd that somehow nobody else had spotted the station given its size and proximity, having it being intentional would have gotten round that and been very on brand. Sorry about the huge rant, I honestly really wanted to to enjoy the film but it ended up feeling like they went for copying lots of ideas from the franchise to appeal to fans rather than push boundaries. Trying to Prove you're a fan by rewriting and showing the fans everything they loved about the previous entries doesn't make them think you're a genius, Star Wars: The Force Awakens proves that. Also Fede, Ridley will never be your Senpai! You should have made your own movie! XD
I watched the movie yesterday, still love it, but plot holes? 1) Why do the teens have access to an interstellar ship, and why does it have no pods? What is that ship used for on the colony? Cargo from where to where, and why? 2) Why is there no traffic control, and no-one questioning their take off? And no-one can follow at all? 3) Why don't the company minions on the colony, who presumably have access to better sensor arrays, notice the station approaching before the teens? 4) Blind luck gets the ship to land in a hangar bay. Whose doors then close usefully. Would have been nice to see Rook react and save the ship using station resources. Or - why not have an alternative ship/dropship on the station? 5) Freezing doesn't halt xenomorph progress now. Kay's pregnancy should have halted once she was frozen. Ripley in A3 had arrested development. The magic goo is the answer? I effing hate the goo. It can explain everything without its action ever being explained. I know a lot of secondary sources have worked on it and incorporated it into alien law since Prometheus introduced it, but I still find it world breaking. 6) Not a plot hole, but I'd have preferred clearer visuals on how Rain managed to thread the needle on a cable in zero G through the cargo bay and back to the ship without getting smushed when it gets violently jettisoned. I can suspend disbelief there a little, but it's still bugging me. I'll watch a lot closer next time. 7) The room to 98.6 degrees then they open a huge door and let the warmed air out. FFS. You either have to warm both sides, or heat the room beyond 98.6 and open then close the door as fast as possible and get the right temp. More tension as you have to close the door behind you. The corridor behind them is blue lit - looks cold. It obviously is, because they make a big deal of heating the very next section of corridor. That'll do for now, I know other folk have pointed out other inconsistencies, but those are the ones that jumped out at me as I watched. Something in the elevator shaft also felt off after a while, but that was more the choreography of the scene I think. I'll need to watch again. Still really enjoyed the movie, will go see it again. Every movie since Aliens has had its own set of disappointments that were at the time devastating, some have improved with time, others not so much. I think this will stand up better than most, but I am in the afterglow still. A lot of my initial issues could have been explained, just needed a little narrative, or a dialogue line or two to fix. Seeing the Nostromo name plate was hilarious and dumb, when you think of the explosion shown in 1979, but I let it go. Finding the big chap is a stretch, but I'll give the company good enough on board sensors to find objects floating in space on odd trajectories. Encased in its own resin? The aliens have the ability to create a lot of mass from almost nothing too often. It bugs me. (Pardoning the pun!)
I saw it yesterday and thought I remember one of the main male characters (can't remember his name) implying it was a work vehicle, they routinely flew in it for whatever their job was. I just thought of it like a truck or a tractor, something relatively common and mundane used there
@@Paulus449 I hope that's true, but it's still strange to have a local-use tractor capable of a 9 year interstellar flight to another colony. It just seems mighty convenient. Why not just have an atmospheric rock hopper for moving stuff around Jackson? I feel it needed more explanation. A second viewing may well help with a few of my gripes, but not all. Thanks for the update though, much appreciated!
@@tturi2 Great! It was not clear to me, but I happily stand corrected. I'll look for it and go "Ooops! So they did!" When I go see it again Monday/Tuesday. Thanks for the correction.
@Muted152 I respectfully disagree. the ship is interstellar because it can make the journey, add cryopods and voila! interstellar capability for a 9 year journey. It apparently has the engine capacity and durability for such flight, therefore - interstellar capable. Of course the teens could be mistaken, and even with cryopods they'd never make it due to system failure, loss of power, you name it on the 9 year journey. However if we take it as true that this ship can make it to the distant colony it is hard to imagine why there is a need for that level of capability on a local use planetary hauler in a colony of what was it 3K people? And why those teens would have access to such an overpowered resource, rather than it being company controlled and piloted. It could have been explained, but it wasn't, so it bugs me.
I loved this movie. It felt like the original Alien movie (good and scary), versus the last two Ridley Scott movies. They were good sci-fi movies, just not good ALIEN movies. They never felt like Alien to me.
To answer your question about the hive and why aliens were not present at the beginning. This is because the ship is divided in 2 sections, Romulus and Remus. They begin exploring in remus but after Navarro accidentally moves the smaller ship, they then go into the Romulus section of the ship. This is where the hive is present
You skipped over one of the best scenes when the chest burster busted out of Navarro and she kicks the controls of the ship causing the ship to fly out of control and crash multiple times into the Romulus before crash landing in the docking Bay area. Such an amazing scene and incredibly tense leading right into the next scene with the xenomorph coming out of the cocoon and chasing after Kay.
@@jaworski105it's so lazily written, is all you need is Romulus stations Muthur system taking control of ship then safely docking it. Meh but makes more sense. Infuriating rubbish film, screenwriting standard today is shocking
The birth messed it up for me. From a survival perspective, the creature should have looked different. It looked cheap too,but with great lighting. Nothing about it said perfect evolution to me. 3 out of 5 stars.
It did mess it up for me, but i thought about it as the danger of evolution and genetic modifications like Engineers creating Humans on accident, Humans creating A.I., A.I. programming Androids, Androids to Synthetics, Creators thinking their Gods, but failing to understand the negative repercussions of their actions. Like Engineers studying Xenos, using Xenos for the Black Goo, the Black Goo creating unidentified organisms, organisms leading to reverse DNA, to a perfect organism aka a hybrid alien being the most dangerous Xenomorph🤔
That's the point. It was not meant to be a perfect evolution. Also even when Rook said they basically cracked the serume. We'll no they did not. Especially when they showed the rat carcass. Also the more of the black goo it would feed on the more perfect it would have turned. Clear as day he was changing when he was drinking the black goo from the girl.
The scene where they take off from the planet was epic in a theatre.
Gorgeous view in that scene.
Same with the ship spiraling out into the other hangar bay. The metal grinding sound was immense.
Right! Akin to the descent from the Sulaco in Aliens except in reverse. Just so many clever nods that I enjoyed throughout the film.
Yeah, when it showed the massive scale of the planet, awesome.
LOL. When you have to find something to justify the ticket price. Buyer's remorse is real!
I know this isn't a big thing, but! Can we talk about the incredible detail in those planetary ice rings?!?! Beautiful.
The biggest belt-sander of the system...
Oh my yeesss beautiful, and we actually saw them moving with the planet which makes sense.
The pregnant girl may be THE most unlucky character in the series (or at least competing for the title).
She felt sick so she went to sleep and missed all the commotion so when she wakes up her friends are panicking, one gives birth to a monster and she has no idea what's happening.
Later she is rescued, she's bleeding and confused, her brother wants to give her something but her friend decide to NOT give it to her saying that she doesn't trust it (for good reason but she doesn't know it).
Her brother then die, she's alone so she decide to take the siringe.
She was put into the worst possible situation and she had 0 information about what was happening.
Great observation.
Felt the same but... Its even more brutal then you describe. Cause later she gives a most painful birth to sn abomination and gets sucked of by it.
FUCK ME, jesus christ
A grimm fate for any mother.
Sick, sick image.
But nice horror
Also felt for a pilot girl.
Alvarez raises enough stakes to feel for every character's despair at shattered dream.
Love the fact that the colony was kinda portrayed as a poverty riddled slum. Street vendors, prostitution, people are miserable, the planet sees no sunlight, crime (the attack on Andy was sad) it really felt like a long lived in environmental where, as you mentioned, the general populace, are slaves, trying their best to survive. Absolutely brilliant world building.
And I bet The Company advertises it as a perfect utopia to draw the people in.
@foofighter66625 the 3/4th act should have brought it back there. What happens to a colony when it was overrun like Aliens. The sets were there the cast was there. I honestly thought that's where it was going
Very easy planet to escape from though.
It had bladerunner all over it....
@@mattlenton2012 very much so. Was beautiful to look at, in an ugly way 🤣
My only gripe is they underutilized the aliens themselves. They barely did anything. Huge letdown
Yeah the acid blood was the villian instead. It was also the films biggest mcguffin
I felt the same way. Not enough Xenomorph.
Rain should've gotten roughed up more, at least gotten some burns from the floating acid. That was Resident Evil level corny
Felt the horror aspect just wasn't there at all. Same with the gore was expecting more from Fede. Didn't once feel scared. Facehuggers were creepy for sure though and the stars of the film.
The ending, erm, not a fan 😳 Felt like it was played WAY too safe and the hybrid itself I just didn't feel at all. Mix of Prometheus/Alien ending and it just didn't work for me. Felt like Ridley had been fiddling too much in the movie with the design of it maybe?
Effects though, top notch through out. Even dodgy deep fake Ash 😂😂
On the otherhand, the facehuggers truly shined here. Good lord getting chased by a swarm of those things…
So no one picked this up yet, being too distracted in their annoyance, but after my second viewing and listening for connections, I believe the main reason why (besides the fan service levity/nod) Andy is weird about delivering “the line” from Ripley Queen battle in Aliens is because 1) yes he doesn’t know the word and how to use it and 2) Bjorn TWICE in the movie uses the word DIRECTLY to Andy who 3) both times the camera focuses on his face showing he doesn’t understand the word but is learning it. So this is the reason, in story, why Andy uses it, following Bjorn’s delivery - and it just happens to be a nod. But that helped make more sense of it and not feel weird about it.
Great point, that explain's it to me, can i ask, did it make sense at the time for the reason the woman injected herself?
@mrscanlan.5016 I believe she sustained minor injuries and feared that her baby was in jeopardy of dying and the evil Andy mandated by MU/TH/UR saying that she could be at risk unless she takes the Compound Black Goo to help her injuries, which would make sense since he lied and since Rook lied to him about the Compound being usable which it wasn't🍻
I don’t believe you’re comment was brief enough
I'm so glad someone else has pointed this out, he also paused before he said it, like he was learning how to use the word appropriately. I personally never thought any call back was bad, I even liked rook.
He should have NEVER said that, simple as that ... this was fn unbelievable ... sooooo bad and misplaced
Anyone notice how aside from Alien 3, all these movies end with the big alien threat getting ejected out in space? Alien 1979, Aliens, Alien Resurection, Alien Covenant, Alien Romulus
Alien 3 was set on a planet with an atmosphere so you have more options when it comes to killing a creature with acid for blood. On a ship surrounded by the vacuum of space, ejecting it out is the best way of also guaranteeing you don't also destroy the ship. Even without acid for blood, the best bet for getting rid of any hostile creature would be ejection from an airlock, since shooting bullets or using a flamethrower etc., still risks the integrity of the ship. Containment is the best option so you might as well try to contain in it an airlock where you can then blast it into space.
@@jonathanb2622 just saying, it happens every time, plus after Romulus we now kniw the Xeno can survive in the vacuum of space which means the Xeno queen is still alive and floating out in space near LV-426
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Yes, it's called "formulaic". Unfortunately, it's what you'll see in any big franchise that wants to appeal to as general an audience as possible. Changing the formula could make future movies harder to sell when general audiences have come to expect the familiar story beats that made them connect with the franchise in the first place. It's why I don't fault Fede Alvarez for making what's essentially a "greatest hits" of the Alien franchise. It's what he was hired to do. This was meant to be a soft reboot by returning to form after the sour taste Prometheus and Covenant left in people's mouths. They even got a suitably young and talented actress to carry the franchise for years to come.
Once you see the business decisions that are made behind the scenes, you'll realize how much of a bane they are on artistic creativity. That said, I had fun with this movie and place it in third place behind Aliens (my number one) and Alien.
@@The_Isaiahnator I mean I had fun, not complainig (Newborn looked goofy with his human face trying to be evil) but the cast was too young for me, just made me think back to how the cast in Alien looked like blue colors guys and grown ass people with 9 to 5 jobs, this cast looked like they off too school with their Avengers lunchbox their mom made
Yeah, I wish they would put that to bed. It was especially bad with the hybrid, because that is how it died in Alien Resurrection. I think they mostly do this because it is one of the few ways to kill an alien without destroying the ship because of the acidic blood. It was pretty cool how they used the lack of gravity to at least temporarily get away from this consequence. It would be cool if some crew member thought of a way to use some kind chemical to counteract the acid in a creative way.
The visuals were wild. The scene at the end with the asteroid belt was incredible.
It’s a really well shot and pretty movie I’ll give it that.
I agree! I’m very glad I enjoyed the theater experience with this movie. It was beautiful what they delivered!
Movie LOOKED good i agree
But that was one of the only good things about it
That and the black android
Yea that part was so dope.
@@NextGenCouncil honestly all of the shots in space where fantastic.
This means the Alien Queen is floating out in space alive and well 😱😱😱
Maybe 🤔 but it was close to the planet lv426 so maybe it burn in the atmosphere?
Anything goes with these creatures. I thought Ripley scorched her first xeno with the engine at the end of Alien and now here we are. WY scavengers could still extract enough DNA from it to recreate the pathogen. We could see that fire can harm them, but then the one in Alien 3 didn’t bat an eye when boiling lead was poured on it. I am still confused how much damage fire/heat can do to them.
@blacksmokefightvideos4186 lmao, ok ok, good point on that one haha. I give them Predators one job!
@blacksmokefightvideos4186avp is not canon thank god
@@sumstuff6956 Correction: AvP is canon but only to its own universe.
No one is talking about but the opening was so good. Everyone in the theater stopped mid bite of their popcorn in the silence of space. It was amazing
It was suspenseful, some cool jump scare, creepy crawlies, and no message. A fun time at the cinema
I agree except for that there definitely are several messages present in fact, including maybe people should not blindly trust mega corporations to treat people fairly or humanely regarding their employment or healthcare, and to maybe expect the opposite with gaslighting abuse instead, including that corporate robotic science officers are programmed to do what’s best for the company first and foremost, including lie or hide all the dangers and risks of experimental treatments they claim to be safe and effective miracle cures. Many people don’t realize the long history of many safe and effective medical treatments of the past turning out to cause cancer, birth defects, deformities, injuries and death, while being sold to the public as safe for vast sums of profit. Maybe it’s better to not be pressured into injecting ourselves with unknown experimental genetic material without first understanding everything about it with informed consent, instead of just going by the sales pitch recommendations of criminally untrustworthy mega corporations and their salesmen, that is unless very possible injury, disease, death and deformed mutant babies are continually being lied to are all actually ok with society. I appreciate the message of caution towards dangerous deception by corporate business and science organizations and their primary directive above all else - the profit motive!
Disappointing Ridley Scott forced trash in my opinion
That aspect was refreshing.
This movie is marginal at best, and to be honest I thought it sucked with all those dopey references to the previous movies and incompetent characters, and that ending......ridiculous.
No message is always a plus.
The ending could’ve been so much better if they didn’t show the pregnant girl actually take the black in the lift. And then just reveal and empty capsule once they are back on the ship straight before she gives birth. That way it wouldn’t have been so obvious something was going to happen with her
Or better yet maybe her dumb ass shouldn't have injected it? Who the hell just injects random shit into themselves? Rain even stopped them from injecting her the scene before saying she didn't trust it. People shit on Prometheus and Covenant for dumb character decisions, but this movie was full of them yet it's getting a pass.
I agree with this!
@@Brunos-magic-hat I can't believe she did that. 🤣
Yea better idea but the film was great overall.
Idk about “so much better” but I suppose they could’ve been a bit more subtle, like maybe instead of directly showing her doing the injection just reveal the empty canister somewhere on the ground later when shit starts hitting the fan again. It was obvious something would happen with her pregnancy but it was never obvious what that something would actually be, I had a couple guesses & got pretty close but still very surprised by the actual outcome. I still think it was important to show her moment of desperation & indicate that she gave it to herself not someone else forcing her. She wanted to save her baby’s life so badly only for it to turn out to be such a horrific monstrosity, such a dark scene/cruel fate the more I think about it.
Ok so Big Chap, despite his limited appearance, showed he cocooned post ejection from the Narcissus and survived space. The same must be true of the queen who was sucked out of the airlock of the Sulaco from Aliens.
It was the 'force awakens' of the alien franchise (member berry clone) and maybe the last one was 'the last Jedi', wouldn't rate it either lol but glad you enjoyed 👍🥲
I didnt like the depiction of the colony. In the original Alien and Aliens, the staff at least looked like staff. In this, they were slaves. People would riot if they just doubled their contract like that. No way.
Yeah I didn’t quite like that too. It was a convenient plot point to get Rain to go on the trip, it should’ve been she was already stuck in a 10 year contract or something longer as motivation.
looked like staff, that were being used as test experiments? yeah so slaves that just don't realise it yet, aliens its so obvious that this is a theme why would it not be obvious now?
Yeah I would have preferred the old colony design.
Yeah o.k. as you would be finished even in todays time if you decide to fight back
Weyland Yutani controls the travel you can't leave the system without a cryo pod. You can choose not to work Weyland Yutani can choose not to feed or house you.There is no legal way of planet without the consent of Weyland Yutani.
QUESTION. If the gravity generators were turned off on the station and kept rebooting on and off then how did the beaker/jar with the facehugger leg in it not spill and was shown still sitting on the counter? 🤔
I think it showed the gravity disruptions was only affecting some parts of the station ?
@@danielpeckham5520 no it was the entire station until the power is turned back on. It’s also stated the station has LIMITED power but somehow every single system on the ship is operational. It’s really strange.
Huge plot hole! I forgot about the gravity rebooting. That messes with a lot of events that took place in this movie
Same goes for the don’t slip wet floor sign
Am I the only one that thinks that the twist at the end is that she gave birth to twins? You know, Romulus and Remus? That would mean that one offspring is still hiding onboard.
Interesting idea actually, that may be a great way to make the sequel, that would certainly fit the themes of the movie.
cool idea
Btw I found it weird they never showed what happened to the mother's body, did she die and was the body even jettisoned into space? It would be a serious biohazard if it's just laying around the ship.
The offspring was a Xeno/Human/Black Goo mix.
Good call, I like that idea
Jonsson's performance elevates this film. It's up there with Henrickson, Fastbender and Holme. Here's hoping we see more leading roles with him in the future, he's a rising star.
Really nice to see you doing Alien content again :) it's how I originally came across your channel, years ago!
Some fringe "fans" may hate Aliens, but it's widely recognized as a masterpiece. And it didn't contradict anything from Alien, it expanded on it. Not all criticism is created equal.
I thought the black goo Mutagen was going to turn Pregnant Kay into an Alien Queen.
That would've been good
I think this would've been a much better ending imo
Thats exactly what i said to my gf when we were watching it to
Haha i had the same thoughts and said to my friends i bet we get one in this movie but i guess we all know the outcome that has watched it
@@hizbizrawr the end scene was all Ridley
Watched Romulus last night. It's a decent movie, and I had fun, but it's nothing special. I'd rank it below Alien 3 (Assembly Cut), though it looks much better aesthetically. I enjoyed it, but it has significant issues:
1. Casting: Aside from Andy and Raine, the characters aren't memorable or likable, even compared to secondary characters from Aliens. (I really liked Andy and Raine's relationship though, and cared for both - the beginning on the colony was great)
2. Dialogue: The call-backs to earlier movies were cringeworthy and unnecessary. The new dialogue lacks impact and memorability.
3. CGI: Rook's CGI was terrible, on par with the Princess Leia deep-fake. He should've been shown more damaged or in shadows to hide the flaws.
4. Xenomorphs: They were underused and not threatening. Even Scorched, the main xeno from the trailer, had little impact and no direct kills.
5. Final Act: The last fight was a poor copy of Alien: Resurrection but with an even worse creature. The Slenderman-Engineer looked terrible and wasn't scary. ( I didn't think Ridley had any influence on this movie, but man was I wrong and the movie suffered badly for it, Fede should have distanced this movie as far as possible from Prometheus/Covenant)
6. Score: The music was serviceable at best, borrowing from classic themes from the earlier movies. It's fine but It lacked its own identity and wasn't memorable though.
Overall, Fede Alvarez didn't surprise me at all here, he consistently makes good but not great movies, often dropping the ball on casting and the score, and there's almost zero originality here, just as other reviews have mentioned, it's like an Alien franchise greatest hits, only the hits were poor cover versions this time around. This movie isn't terrible, but it is far, far away from Alien and Aliens.
This movie started as an 8/10 for me for a while, and quickly dropped to a 6/10
Princess Leia was not a deepfake, it was completely CGI. Deepfakes weren't invented back in 2016.
Agree 6/10
Too many people on here just agree with this dude if he likes a film or hates a film
Definitely want to give it another shot but this is how I’m feeling about the movie at the moment.
The acid blood was more of a villian than the actual Xenos. It felt quite silly. Good breakdown. I feel mostly the same. The score felt oppressive though. The best scores know when NOT to add music... seemed like whoever did this movie doesn't believe in that philosophy.
@@stateazure Leia wasn't a deepfake, it was regular CGI. Deepfakes weren't possible back in 2016.
It's fascinating how divisive this film is. I saw it yesterday, and while I think it's plagued by numerous issues, I loved how it expanded upon the existing lore, the set designs, its connections to Prometheus, and I thought the ending was utterly unnerving.
The ending and the other original aspects of this film that distinguish it from what came before it are its strongest attributes.
Future Alien films should take MORE creative risks.
The ending was basically a copy of alien resurrection. Human alien hybrid.
I think they shoukd just do a avp film set in the future. Taking major influence from the avp comics and video games as they got it right, we all want to see more colonial marines, maybe some lore on how the colonial marines came to be, we all know the USCM, are there other countries with a colonial marine corp? UKCM? Or FCM ? Do other countries have a space ferring marine military?
There was literally nothing new in this movie. The only thing I've never seen before is the second cocoon after the chestbuster
Its divisive cos it does nothing new and is far too safe and tame.
It nerfs the facehuggers to the point they're being swatted away like pests, and doesnt even have the grace to make these characters likeable and fun to be around when they're having the gall to lazily remake Alien 1 and 4 🤦
Yes the XX121 Xenomorph reference is from the novel Aliens: sea of Sorrows. A great novel complete with music scores, sound effects, and independent voice actors to reprise character roles. I recommend Alien: Out of the Shadows and Aliens: River of Pain. All 3 novels have music scores, sound effects and different voice actors. The order you want to read or listen to these novels is Alien: Out of the Shadows, Aliens: River of Pain and Aliens: Sea of Sorrows in that order.
I loved it. I went during an afternoon showing so there wouldn't be as many people and basically had the theater to myself. It felt perfectly paced. I never checked my watch or had that how much longer is this thing feeling. I loved every second of it
the last 15 mins seemt like they were in a hurry to complete the best of alientropes list. overall it was really good. id give it a 7 out of 10
Yh the ending was derivative rip off of the ending of Alien 1 and 4 mashed together beat for beat. 🤷♂️🤦
@@SarcasticPlotRecaps so a typical alien ending ^^
10 mins of paniced running away from some new monstrosity which then dies in some graphic way
I loved it. I honestly wished they had left Fede alone to his own devices and just trusted him. He's a fan and he loves it for all the reasons we do. The world building and the Gigeresque influences.
I'm glad to see some people loved and enjoyed it. I get frustrated with Ridley Scott interfering with movie projects like this. LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE THE HELM!
That final creature was alway his idea … TRASH
I get why WY weren´t aboard or even close to approaching the space station, but I found it odd that our group of youngsters were the only people aware that this huge craft had fallen into their planets orbit
i think other ls knew about the station but didnt want to risk getting destroyed with the station cuz they could prolly see the timeline for impact of it against the asteroid belt
If we think about too logically there would be no film 😅
I was thinking why there wasn't tighter security.
WY still could have got in and out long before it hit the astroid belt seeing how much money they invested in the project.
Is that the same station from OG alien? Whatever the case how the hell did it end up right there next to the asteroid belt? How did the alien end up inside the space rock? The alien hung up above Rook looked like the hybrid from Resurrection which confuses me even more with the timeline. And how did any of them ever manage to farm and harvest facehuggers like that?
There was no station in og Alien. It was a ship. This station was introduced in this film. How do you not know any of this?
@@locomojoboy2 no the station was sent to find the xenomorph from alien
I love how Romulus strayed away from the Prometheus and Covenant emphasis on AI/synthetic as the antagonist with the aliens only as the backdrop.
AI still has a nefarious role to play but isn't so much the antagonist in this movie. Which I prefer because after all didn't we fall in love with the struggle of the alien xenomorph vs human vs human greed aspect? At least, I did and thus really like this new installment, Romulus.
David Jonsson as Andy gave the best performance here. Bravo!!!
Just got back and am going back again tomorrow- die hard fan and I LOVED this entry. Was intense all the way and it was just incredible- thank you for your coverage of this film!
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My friend described it this way and now I can’t unsee it:
It was like a theme park ride of the alien Franchise: all the familiar beats but nothing really outstanding on its own
Thats what I said on Thursday. Nothing Fresh ....total regurtitation of all films
@@andrewlee5848it’s pure derivative shlock. I honestly don’t understand why people are praising it so highly. You can pin point where they pilfered parts from other alien movies in this. The back part of the second act is the Aliens nest scene but done worse.
A tapas meal, little bit of this little bit of that and ultimately you're still hungry by the end
Yup, there's zero immersion so you're like "they did a nice job with this set' @@jaworski105
@@andrewlee5848There was a fresh take on the face huggers they are attracted to body heat & Andy adjust the room temperature so the crew can maneuver around the face huggers
"Somehow, Palpatine survived ..."
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Loved it and we need a sequel to it and an Alien Isolation 2 announcement to follow.
There a rumors swirling about an Isolation 2. Idk if it would have Amanda in it or if it would be a new story, but it'll happen one day
Yes, will be interesting to see how much money this makes and what new projects that may produce
We may hear something next week at Gamescon if the rumors are true
What studio is making it??
Alien Isolation 2 better be PS5 Pro ready
I think they missed a very easy way they could have kept the good parts of this film (the suspense, action and return to the original Alien type "feel" to many parts of this movie), got rid of the need for the overly convoluted explanation for the research station existing, wrapped up the prequels and ended the black goo stuff (which I hate) all in one go. You could have literally had the same story as in this movie up until they find the alien infested ship in space, but instead of finding the research station, they find the colony ship we ended Alien Covenant in. David (Fassbender's character) had been creating aliens from the colonists as we expected him to, but the aliens he created have turned on him and killed him (in the same way he turned on his creators and killed many of them), and the ship is now drifting aimlessly in space as a result (as was the space station in Romulus). This way the prequels are somewhat respectfully wrapped up, the knowledge of the black goo can die with David and we don't have to return to it again, the franchise can move on and the characters in this movie still have a whole ship full of aliens and face huggers to play out the rest of this movie with.
The only reason I assume they didn't do this, or something similar, is Scott's continued involvement with the franchise? Maybe he is hoping one day he might still get a chance to finish his prequel? I think this movie is a case of two steps forward and one step back, it's certainly a big improvement on the prequels, but I think they have to cut out any links to the prequels/the black goo etc (and thus probably Ridley Scott's involvement in any future projects) to get the franchise fully back on track.
I loved the movie and knew Fede would do it justice
The ending climax was met with a "what the fuck is that?" Followed by the theater laughing at the alien. I do think it was a bit goofy
My theatre had an audible “gasp” when it was shown on camera.
@KirDbDy at first, it was creepy, but every time it zoomed in on the face the theater laughed
@@Blondguyificationmy theater was not really laughing at all. But depends on the people in the theater I guess
When I saw the film the ending was met with stone cold silence, there was no buzz after the film with people talking excitedly about what they had just seen, they all just walked out and went home (or wherever they were going next).
I legit laughed out loud at least 3 times during the final act. It’s so incredibly goofy. At least 4 people walked out of the theatre during the ending. Think there were like 6 people who left after the movie was finished including myself lol. No one talked. Everyone just left looking disappointed.
I wish they would give big chap more screen time, hated the fact that it got killed off screen by some security guards.
After seeing how a girl with autoaim was able to obliterate the entire xenomorph colony I'm pretty amazed on how bigchap was able to bystand a full group of ppl with that weapons and do anything.
It seems now xenomorphs are super weak and they explode with any kind of weapon. Why in aliens do they need big caliber weapons to kill aliens if they are so weak that they explode with small caliber weapons is now beyond me.....
It’s weird because the pool of blood is directly under where they have it chained up and where Rook is laying. Which implies they captured big Chap, strung him up from the ceiling, and then shot him while rook was laying underneath and blew its legs off, resulting in the acid creating the hole and burning rook. It dosent make a lot of sense honestly. It’s kind of just purely for setup. No one notices he’s even hanging there until Rook directs their attention to it.
@JosephPlissken You have to remember those rounds in the pulse rifle have explosive armor piercing tips & explode on contact cracking the zenomorphs armored skin
@@JosephPlisskenBig rounds? dog the m41-a pulse rifle fires 10mm caseless. That’s smg and handgun ammunition. Only thing is they fire charged explosive rounds
@@JosephPlisskenit’s only bc of the gravity generator, without making the xenos imobile from the gravity , it wouldn’t have worked .
Yea they fumbled the bag with Prometheus prequels
Wasn’t a fan of the callbacks either but I still recommend it. I bet when Alex White saw the nods to The Cold Forge, they were grinning from ear to ear.
I loved this movie and Andy was the heart and soul of that film. Stole the entire show for me. As a love letter, it is amazing that Fede chose to make nods at Isolation (checkpoint telephones strategically placed in film before every major set piece), the Scott prequels (people say it is was Scott, but in interviews Fede said it was his choice) and even Resurrection is wild.
My biggest problem with the film is when they get the guns it turns more into an action film and she ends up killing most of the aliens with a single clip and xenomorph basically just standing there doing nothing
Technically they were floating and couldn’t minus a few holding the wall because she deactivated the gravity
I guess the director is bad at action sequences and got pushed into tacking on an action-packed finale, which unfortunately completely missed the mark. If the producers wanted an action movie, they should have let Neill Blomkamp do the Alien 5 project - not sure about his skill with horror, but his sci-fi action is strong.
Indeed, that action scene was terrible
@@FalseH3Even in gravity they move around as if gravity was a joke. They kind of ‘flow’ around. It has always amazed me how their movement seem to ignore gravity. I don’t think they are so helpless without gravity.
This wasn't a good alien film.
What was the blue mist on the floor about, was never explain.
Yes! What the hell was that?!
Remember back in Alien (1979) when Cain goes down the hole where they find all the eggs and the same blue light appears?
Well, when Cain moves his hand through it, you can hear sound reaction to the movement and he says: “seems covered in a layer of mist…that reacts when broken”
In Alien it might have been a barrier/alarm to prevent the eggs from sensing anyone outside the barrier and discharging their facehuggers.
In Alien: Romulus on the other hand I’m not sure why they showed this, they were in the hive basically but there were no eggs so I don’t see the point of it unless it was just to please the fanbase you know, another callback.
@@starlit_hawser11 It was another memberberry taken from Alien (1979) with zero relevance in this movie. But it looked cool, so say the nostalgia hungry fans.
i couldnt even bother to finish it. AvP requiem was bad, but at least it had a few exciting scenes.
this is a MODERN PRODUCT..a nothing burger
Resurrection was hokey but at least it had fun characters and tried something new with the newborn.
This had unlikeable Gen Z mopes and not an original idea in its head!
Been watching you since the Prometheus days, and I must say this movie feels like a culmination of payoffs I’ve been waiting for since 2012 watching your channel. 12 years in the making mate
Mr H as someone who’s always been the go to for Alien content you had me stoked for Romulus. As someone who was genuinely buzzing to see Romulus based on the Director, his direction away from Scott’s Prometheass entries, who for years has been waiting for an Alien film that finally promised a trilogy - unfortunately with this and every new instalment that hope dwindles like a dying star but at least I’ll always have a great original and sequel and I’m content with those two films to last me a lifetime.
They did show the ample that the black mutagen was in, so, we can probably assume they have David’s information that he sent them according to bonus things with Covenant.
They even mention Prometheus.
The only plot hole for me and maybe somebody can clear this up. Is how did the Waylon yutani planet not know that there is a Waylon yutani scientific research station floating right above it?
Because no exec is going to stay in a shit hole planet.And likely it is too highly classified research that WY do not want other competitors to find out.They could be aware of it but just not care about it.Everybody just want to mine and go home
@@Longlost67 the only one ? That’s a great one but there were several.
I'm still wondering why WY don't just send a mission to LV426? There's a whole derelict ship full of viable eggs there that they obviously know about. Instead they go there & take years to build Hadley's Hope before Burke sends a colonist family to investigate. Doesn't make sense.
@@ciaranshaman haha. Well said
Well firstly, the planet was covered with dense clouds, so from the naked eye, no one would see it.
Secondly, they say that the night before, they were about 200 miles above the ground (in the thermosphere if it was our planet), they picked up the renaissance beacon.
But what they could deduce from the information of the beacon, was that it was just likely a decommissioned ship.
Meaning the renaissance beacon wasn't a distress call, otherwise it could've travelled a lot further. It was just a beacon letting other nearby ships know of its flightpath etc
Unfortunately by the end 3rd of this movie I hated it... Remember Ridley kneecapped Neil and produced this... why? Because this changed the lore and forced the black goo into canon that now can't be ignored... Fuck Ridley.
What’s wrong with the pathogen? It expands the universe and lore.
The most honest, and best review on the internet right now. Good job, mate. My favorite Alien movie since Alien 1979. I loved prometheus, I have to say. Didn't care for the "David created the xenomorph" BS idea, but...I liked the movie.
It was a fun movie, really liked it too
Shittest film in the franchise. Worse than 3 and 4 combined
Straight after Rain rescues Kay in the Hive, there's a brief cut of a Xenomorph's teeth screeching, calling the Xenomorphs to Kay's location.
On a second watch, I noticed this shot of the Xenomorph is framed so close and quickly, that *I'M CONFIDENT* this is presumably the queen commanding the hive.
This goes back to Fede's love for Alien Isolation, as the game hinted at a queen's presence multiple times, but never reveals it physically.
The teeth and mouth shape aren’t correct for a queen. It’s just another drone.
I wasn't sure there was a queen when I saw it. I thought I missed it if there was. So if you're confident that little snippet of that xenomorph was the queen then I am reassured. At the same time, I am also a bit disappointed there wasn't a full reveal of the queen. I also wished we knew in detail what happened aboard the space station after they captured Big Chap and how they managed to create all of those facehuggers seemingly with no eggs.
@@robertmorris4145there’s a prequel comic coming out in October that should explain a lot of what happened on the station and how that hive formed
@@robertmorris4145 The renaissance station sourced two things from big chap - i.e the metaphorical Capitoline She-wolf.
The Facehugger and the black goo (z01)
The Facehuggers were bioengineered from the big chap's DNA, in printer incubators in the Remus section of the station - and z01 was extracted from the fully-formed Facehuggers which were then tested on lab rats in the Romulus section of the station.
Near the entrance to the hive (below the Romulus lab), a few of the printer incubators were seen empty - hinting at them having broken out during their transportation to the Romulus labs (for z01 extraction) and leading to a Xenomorph outbreak.
This either led to an outbreak that resulted in big chap wreaking havoc on the station, or as suggested by Rook, was the result of big chap wreaking most of the havoc and freeing those transported Facehuggers.
We know that with a Xenomorph outbreak ultimately leads to a Queen through the Xenomorph's growth.
Given how many Xenomorphs there are, and how many bodies are found through a small portion of the hive, a Queen is certainly somewhere, deeper in the station - harkening back to Alien Isolation
@@robertmorris4145 The renaissance station sourced two things from big chap - i.e the metaphorical Capitoline She-wolf. The Facehugger and the black goo (z01)
The Facehuggers were bioengineered from the big chap's DNA, in printer incubators in the Remus section of the station
z01 was extracted from the fully-formed Facehuggers in the Romulus section of the station - where tests were then done on lab rats.
Near the entrance to the hive (below the Romulus lab), a few of the printer incubators were seen empty - hinting at them having broken out during their transportation to the Romulus labs (for z01 extraction) and leading to a Xenomorph outbreak.
This either led to an outbreak that resulted in big chap wreaking havoc on the station, or as suggested by Rook, was the result of big chap wreaking most of the havoc and freeing those transported Facehuggers. We know that with a Xenomorph outbreak ultimately leads to a Queen through the Xenomorph's growth. Given how many Xenomorphs there are, and how many bodies are found through a small portion of the hive, a Queen is certainly somewhere, deeper in the station - harkening back to Alien Isolation.
My only gripe was the Ash CGI. So many better ways they could have done that including using a bishop model or even a David model. I also wasn't a huge fan of the "newborn" but it was nice to see Fede do something new. Everything else was amazing. Andy was my favorite character from his first scene. I wanted him to have a happy ending so bad. What an amazing performance by David and Cailee. I rooted for them the whole time. Looking forward to more from this
I decided to go and see this as I was at a loose end. It's been a long time since I've enjoyed a film in this franchise because I didn't like Prometheus or Covenant and I was dubious they could pull off another Alien film in space etc but I have to say it was a genuinely tense and solid, entertaining film, really enjoyed it. 8/10 I'd give it
The ending was like OG Resident evil games which is a big win no matter what
At this point, what isn't owned by Disney?
They did their best I think.
They were clearly trying to appeal to a younger audience with the young actors while appeasing older fans.
Visually stunning too.
Fede literally regresses Andy so that he doesn't have to follow through on what he sets up, that being dual protocol. What became really interesting is stripped from the only compelling character in the final act so that Fede doesn't have to explain why Andy doesn't follow through within his set narrative. Andy goes from being a driving force within the story to being once again along for the ride. It's a complete cop out. Superbly disappointing.
@@rjmacready6693 Bottom line, He was not the right choice for this.
@@andrew3642 i agree.
The whole film just felt like it was Chat GPT wrote the script through searching the internet summaries of the previous films for memberries 🤷♂️
I may be alone on this, but the "child" born at the end seems to link a concept from the comics and something the ALIEN: RPG is exploring. An evolved species called "The Perfected". Anyone else familiar with this?
The movie wasn't $40 worth.
I was disappointed.
I rate it 4 of 10
Call me crazy, I got a feeling Kay, might still be alive… because she still has that black stuff she injected herself with inside her body and we didn’t see Rain, eject the body. So anything can happen in that 9 year trip.
Yeah it was curious they never showed what happened to her body, a bit strange. I was expecting her to turn into a super zombie like happened in Prometheus when the guy was infected. Her body would certainly be a biohazard anyway so I wonder what was done with it
I was expecting there to be an end credits scene showing her body coming back to life, but no luck.
@danielpeckham5520 I saw her neck and head at a funny angle so I assumed she was killed by the hybrid
Holy crap, that would be wild!
@@mikeadams7904 I thought she was killed by the hybrid too. But remember Rain still has the good if she is silly enough to use it again.
So happy to hear you like it. Im going in 4 hours. Massive local cinema screen. barely any people going at that hour. Excited to see it.
Don't get too excited - it's really not that good. Anyone who thinks this is in the same league as the first two Alien movies needs to get a clue.
It had a blend of every Alien movie mixed in it like a recipe😂 Alien 1, Isolation, 2, 3, 4, Prometheus, and Covenant. It was overall a solid, decent film🎥
And the ending is straight from Resurrection.
@@jaworski105but way better done than Resurrection
@@luisemilianogonzalezvinces3400 done so much more poorly buddy. The Newborn in Res is a creepy creature. The hybrid in Romulus is just a goofy mean spirited monster that looks like the slender man.
@YaBoyMirage in other words, it was a mongrel
@@jaworski105 Agreed. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Resurrection did the human/xenomorph hybrid thing better with the Newborn, instead of that suckfest abomination for the Romulus finale.
I wasn't upset about how they explained the Big Chap surviving the ending of ALIEN. It would make sense that it would secrete the resin in to cocoon itself from the harshness of space similar to being in a cryo/stasis pod. The Offspring was an interesting concept being a mix of Engineer & Xeno. I knew as soon as Kay injected herself with that that it wasn't going to end well for her and the baby. I liked it, but I do want to see the Deacon come back in another film as a fully grown adult.
Unlikeable characters, unoriginal story, forgettable soundtrack.... Yep, that's Hollywood.
Id of liked to see the events on the space station unfold when they get the big chap think that could of been a good film in itself ,
Yeah they will probably release a comic but it would have been nice to see in proper action what happened
I honestly thought that’s what this was going to be. Was pretty disappointed.
@@jaworski105 I wasn't disappointed but id of preferred that version, u could of got two films out of this , 1 the fall of space station then the film we just seen maybe one in theatre and one straight to stream
@@DJTrippleB a two parter would be fun lol; you’d have Romulus and then Remus
@@HypnobongI had that exact thought. Alien: Remus
It was unoriginal, mostly boring, full of annoying member berries, and using Ian Holm was both disrespectful and the CGI looked awful. I'm glad you enjoyed it, people should enjoy things. But I did not.
Same. Went with a buddy of mine and we are die hard Alien franchise fans going all the way back to teenagers in the 80's, reading the Dark Horse comics in the 90's, etc. Have to put the rating for this one at the mid-point in terms of all of the films in the franchise: Alien, Aliens, and even Alien 3 despite its problems still hold my top 3. The sets/practical effects were great and the acting by Andy and Rain were superb, but other than that the other characters sucked, I just don't get the praise for this film. The story was bland, the use of the black goo was disappointing and felt unnecessary (forced by Ridley Scott?), and agree the use of Ian Holm (Ash / Rook) was not only disrespectful but lazy.
Finally. I haven’t seen it yet but Omg from the video essays and trailers it literally looks like A remake of Alien & Aliens.
how is it disrespectful if the holm estate, and his widow gave the green light? are you that righteous?
@@LordSeth-hf8ew its sick! the new generations are offended by everything
I think you’re just sour for whatever reason and not giving it a fair shot as a result. It’s legitimately a true alien film in years and Ian’s family approved of it. It was also plenty original for what it is. A monster flick in space. It’s not meant to expand our horizons or understanding, it’s there to give us some dumb fun with a freaky alien life form that does weird horrible things.
Saw it today enjoyed it, love how it bridged everything and didnit well
Given they got the fear right. I was thinking, you don't need goo, you don't need nods to the past, you don't need the company, you don't need centre actors. The alien is the star and I still think there is a claustrophobic in the depths of space no reference to the other movies cool scary Aliens movie to go. Fedde had it right until they the ship left the space station.
On pace to make $100M world wide opening weekend.
The usage of miniatures and practical effects enhanced with some CGI was amazing.
The additions to the lifecycle lore is great. Adult Xenomorph encasing itself in resin while in a vacuum, the chrysalis as it grows from the Chestburster to adult form, and new details how Facehuggers detect potential victims.
The Offspring that developed from Kay's unborn child was interesting. Very likely the black goo extracted from the Facehuggers likely honed in on the fetus and left Kay alone in order to allow the birth. Bonus Fact: The Offspring at the end of the movie is a person in a suit/prosthetics. He is a 7' 7" / 231 cm tall basketball player from Europe name Robert Bobroczkyi
Marvel is publishing a prequel comic that is probably going to show what happens on the station when they bring Big Chap onboard.
am i missing something here i think this film was awful
You are not missing anything. The easter eggs were nice as were the special effects (except Rook of course) but other than that? All I can do is sigh. So sick of the freaking black goo! Ridley Scot really just needs to let it go. Nobody is afraid of goo! Sheesh.
Most people would agree with that
Sooo , a huge classified research space station in low orbit of a wayland yutani planet is boarded by a group of boyscouts but NOT the company ?
Rook told us that he contacted the company to await for the injured girl carriying the compound.. couldnt he ask for proper help ?
Even if the outbreak happened yoo fast to even call for.emergency... wouldnt it make sense to look for a station that hadnot send word in months ? (Specially a high priority vessel of expensive research)
Thats like comon sense 101... but nope ...
The writing is literally awful.
Travel takes a long time in the Alien universe. Reinforcements/investigation teams could be months away in cold sleep transit.
@@godking seems like you forgot the planet just there who happens to be a wayland yutani mining operation....
The extraction of the compound would neeed a team of armed forces.. nothing more ....
@@visbaluz The local Wayland yutani forces may have been told to stand down and wait for the team to arrive . And remember that Wayland yutani does NOT want the existence of Xenomorphs to be generally known. Local troops might talk and need to be silenced.
@@godking thats real cope to just not acept bad writting..... even if they are told to stand and wait (6 months for a team from far far away)
A) you create a perimeter around the ship to ensure NO 1 enters or leaves the station.
B) as the boyscouts could tell , the station was losing "altitude" and on a crashing course.. so they wouldnt wait the whole 6 months ..
C) a team of 15 or 10 heavliy armed WY security personel to get in and out the compound wich could later be executed (the survivors who completes the mission).. you know.. just as was surely what was going to happen to the pregnant girl if she accepted roooks take over of the ship..
Bad writing.. is bad.
Romulus directly expands on the events of the first film. That first film is perfect, I don't think I like seeing Big Chap's story continued offscreen them killed offscreen. I feel like Romulus didn't show Big Chap alive because it just wouldn't move/look the same as it did in the original Alien. Showing Big Chap alive with modern special effects would be a sharp contrast to how it appeared in Alien.
That is pretty valid. I'm sure they probably could have come close by using b-roll footage of Belaji's performance in the original movie to develop a baseline movement model for AI to work with, but it would likely have been a very expensive process to do it and would not have been 100% the same movement type. Also, given Romulus had a limited budget to work with, I'm sure that played a role in the decision to limit Big Chap's conclusion to the upcoming comic rather than on-screen.
I liked the android being called Rook, a little nod to "Into the Charybdis" by Alex White. And referring to "plagiarus praepotens" from his first book "The Cold Forge". Deep fan service, much appreciated. Romulus was a stunningly beautiful movie, the story, world and characters were almost perfect. Except the slendgineer at the end, that can f;;k the f;;k off. It felt crowbarred in to massage Ridley Scott's ego, fortunately those scenes are amazingly shot and don't detract hugely from the overall experience but took it from a 9.5 to an 8.7 for me. "Run"
Just got back from seeing it. It felt rushed with how quickly the Alien developed and that abomination at the end I didn't like at all
During the meteor beginning sequence did anybody catch part of the name NOSTROMO on one of the pieces?
Honestly i don't care if Ridly Scott hates the xenomorph queen...I liked the addon to that part of the creatures life cycle. I bet he hates all the expanded lore in comics as well. At least Fede Alverez treats the Alien franchise with respect with his own vision and direction.
As for the "birth scene" saying this as a woman who never gave birth, but that is something in me that terrifies me....I can handle the montly periods, but that if that suddenly bursts out of my vagina....I would be scared shitless....Cool effects thou.
Yeah, I wonder what an actual pregnant woman watching this would think, Sheesh. That would be a whole other level of disturbing
@@danielpeckham5520 I think that was thr point... the xeno that was morphing from a pod earlier I just had my thoughts on...ahh yes that look very much like a vagina....and the bloke violently thrusting the cattleprod made me think of rape.....We did see a similar rape scene in Evil Dead Rise made from same director....maybe I am reading to much into it.
Fair enough as someone who started off the franchise since it changed the trajectory of what the original film intended and Giger had set up. I even think Giger felt dissapointed with the design of the Queen.
A lot of us don't like how a queen turns them more into bugs than a weird surreal entity. But to each their own, it's all still cool.
@@TheTrveMothlordI like the queens. And I don’t think their existence does any harm to the aliens lore. Xenomorphs are supposed to be the perfect organism, well know for their extreme ability to adapt and thrive. So them having multiple ways of reproducing makes sense. Egg morphing can still happen. And an alien drone can still become a queen. But a queen laying eggs would be faster than egg morphing. And most living things do try and take the most efficient way to get things done.
So a single alien gets born, like in the first movie. It then gets victims and egg morphs them. Either it or one of its egg morphing victims can become the queen. I’m not sure about the criteria on which would become the queen, (either I’ve forgotten or it’s never been mentioned). Once the queen starts producing eggs, the colony will grow very fast.
In some books/comics the queens are vastly more intelligent than the drones, which I think adds to the lore. Drones are deadly enough, but an intelligent queen commanding them, using tactics, etc. makes them even more deadly. Imagine if aliens used actual tactics, not just simple blend in to hide and ambush like we see in multiple movies, but something like a decoy xeno leading a team of marines into an ambush. Or maybe a bunch of xenos using a pincher movement to surround a group of people. As much as Resurrection gets shit on, one thing I liked was the scene where the 2 xenos attacked a 3rd to escape. That scene showed problem solving level intelligence, which the queens are stated to have in the books.
What I personally never liked was the queen facehugger. I think that is what truely limits the xenos. A queen should be able to come from a drone or an egg morphed victim, not have to be born from a special face hugger.
DBox seats are the way to see it. I felt like I was on a ride during all the Zero Gravity scenes. It really added to the experience
After all that speculation that big chap was alive and kicking with electricity running through his veins like big trouble in little China raiden - and there he was strung up like something Hannibal prepared
While I know what they were trying to do with the 'rook' synth; they really needed to just use a new actor in a Green screen suit. Cause that CGI was fucking terrible.
There was one small plot hole I noticed , but I overlooked it . At the begining when the big chap is discovered and taken in by that drone ship . The xeno created a cocoon around itself and looked like an asteroid, fair enough , but why would it be next to the wreckage of the Nostromo . In the first Alien movie Ripley’s escape shuttle was hundreds of miles away when the Nostromo self destructed and the escape shutlle carried on going fowards into space away from the Nostromo site . So doesn’t make sense why the big chap would be in the collection of debris from the Nostromo explosion .
I suppose they just wanted a close up shot of some the wreckage that said Nostromo on it , so we could be spoon fed Nostalgia I suppose ; though in reality it may have drifted through space and just so happen to stay in the debris area of the Nostromo for next 10 years , perhaps .
Didn’t make much sense , but can easily overlook it , was only a minor thing 🙈🥰
Had the same thought, but explained it away in my head with gravity shenanigans pulling things together. If you dont think about it too much....
I thought the same thing, and it’s because the people making this movie are either stupid or they think the audience is stupid.
@@starlit_hawser11 they just wanted the piece of space metal that said Nostromo on it 🙈 🙈 the way the Nostromo exploded like 3 times at the end of Alien , thermal nuclear explosions in space , the ships would of been vaporised back to its basic elements and atoms . Like you said though studios think we’re stupid 🙈🤣
Think they wanted to give people an obvious idea of where they are. Just finding a random rock floating around in space is just kinda random and like “okay”.
But i guess if we have to give it a logic in world reason it to it. The shuttles engines were aimed at the nostromo, so when ripley blew chap out into space the fella got tossed into the debris field.
Then with orbital mechanics and gravity the debris field basically just stayed in relative proximity of its contents, because they would all be held together by the gravity of every individual piece. Basically you have this blob of space junk traveling together. If it collects enough junk, would have started crashing into itself and you’d get a planet or moon with enough junk.
We also have to ignore the 3 mega nuclear insane explosions of the first film and picture a more sane nuclear explosion in its stead.
There was one scene in Aliens that always annoyed me, it was when Lt Gorman learned that the marines mustn't fire their guns, he ordered them to give up their magazines and then continue.
That made Gorman TOO STUPID. I thought what would've been better is he orders them to stop and return to the APC. So they start, but they encounter the trapped colonist and now the marines are in a moral dilemma. They stay and try to help the colonist, but all hell breaks loose.
Romulus does something similar, but does it right. A door opens, they see the nest and decide to turn around. But they hear one of their own cry. That forced them to enter the nest to help their friend. It was the right decision even though hell broke loose later.
That bothered me to. Ripley warns him that his team was right under the heating towers and he sends them in anyways. Another thing that bothered me is the meeting before they go down to the planet when he tells the squad that " A Xenomorph may be involved" That made me question, well if he knew a xenomorph may be involved then why would they go down to the Alien nest in the first place?
I really really liked how the first half of the film is an homage to Alien and Alien: Isolation. Cramped, confined spaces, no real weapons to speak of. Hiding from place to place, feeling helpless as the xenomorph hunts you.
Later the autoaim low caliber weapon is able to obliterate all the adults xenomorphs with just one charge. I hate this movie with all my soul . Where is the horror if anyone with a cheap gun can obliterate the perfect organism as easy as butter
@@JosephPlisskenagreed, and apparently autoaim got worse over the years 😅
I didn't like that the second half paid homage to Prometheus and Resurrection.
The Xeno’s got fully nerfed in this movie, for being the “perfect organism” it only killed 1 or 2 humans. The facehuggers were also far less effective than in previous movies too, being able to bat them away casually and walk passed them quietly just isn’t in keeping with anything we’ve seen before
@@JosephPlisskenThe Alien was never a perfect being , it was being outsmarted by woman come on ….
It did NOT have to tie in to Prometheus/Covenant at all. Completely shoehorned in by Ridley. It's not even his franchise. I love his early work but I cannot stand what he's doing to Alien. It's disgusting.
One of the memberberries I enjoyed was when Rain was walking up a ladder, she clearly was wearing Reebok shoes, like Ripley in Aliens.
I watched the film last night and loved it. I love alien and aliens as well and this film just gave me hope for the franchise
Now, canonically, Ripley is the second person to say “get away from her, you bitch!”
Andy is the first in the timeline to utter the phrase so now Ripley is the derivative one. What a travesty that is
That and everything else about this film is a travesty. It's appalling from start to finish
Disney ruining the Alien universe like they did Star Wars
@@manoz6194 they've fucked everything else why not this. Reading all the comments makes me laugh was I watching the same film as them. It's absolutely dogshit can't anyone else see that or are they just afraid to tell it like it is. Total crap
I wouldn't say it's THAT damn bad. In fact I thought it was good except for the offspring
@@yodelusional it’s incredibly derivative and pilfers things from every other alien movie without saying anything interesting. Incredibly disappointing movie. That ending was atrocious.
The film shows a literal hologram of the black goo urn/vases from PROMETHEUS. Its possible they leaned into the deleted scene of covenant where David sent weyland yutani all his research which helped them reverse engineer the big chap.
Loved the movie, mainly because of Andy the Android! He was such an amazing character and so well acted. I am a big fan of the synthetic characters in all the alien films. I also loved the amazing sound design. The soundscape was incredibly disturbing and realistic. I thought the practical FX were amazing when they used them. There were a few scenes with a little wonky CG, but I can forgive it as they probably chose to use it because certain practical FX didn't turn out well. Some of the pacing of the film was a little weird, and the amount of Xenomorphs in the film was lacking, but overall, it was a great reignition of the series!
I enjoyed the movie overall. There was just two things that really annoyed me. The fact there are an army of xenomorphs, which seems more silly than scary. And that terrible creature at the ending. The design for that thing was stupid.
I agree with the ending. That hybrid was NOT scary. It just looked like a messed up engineer. If they made it like the neomorph or hybrid from Resurrection, but with more human characteristics, that would've been scary. Keep the elongated skull but add a mix of the neomorph, deacon, and human facial features. A genetic abomination would've been good.
Maybe cause a real guy was in the suit lol
The amount of Xenomorphs in the hive in Romulus should have wiped out those stupid kids ALOT quicker and far more efficiently.
Where were all the other aliens during the first 40 mins of the Gen Z dopes wandering about upstairs??
They checked every box.
o Ethnically diverse, mostly female cast, the cis white males verbally abused the minority supporting black character
o Hicks teaches ripley how to use rifle
o Infected side character wears white converses - births an alien. (they made sure we saw those shoes)
o timer countdown
o airlock battle
o Prometheus birth of a resurrection hybrid with an engineer face (why????l
o "get away from her you B"
o strong female protagonist fights final boss in underoos / resurrection climax
This is an embarrassment to the franchise and in the same vein of the Star Wars sequels - unoriginal garbage that insults the fans that grew up with this material
Sound design 10/10
Set design 10/10
Cast 2/10
Script/screenplay 2/10
Wokeness: all boxes checked
Touch some grass mate,you REALLY need it. Disagree with everything you said, sensitive little child.
so whats the issue?
@@LordSeth-hf8ewThe issue is its a terrible movie. Any other questions?
It was indeed derivative slop.
The movie takes elements from every movie in the franchise: Alien (1979): Both the Nostromo's wreckage and the Xenomorph are found, and Rook is the same type and build as Ash. A lot of the tech and sounds return as well (like the diaphragmatic hatches). Aliens (1986): A pulse rifle battle in an Alien hive with cocooned victims and multiple Xenomorph enemies; like Bishop, Andy prefers the term 'artificial person'; he uses Burke's term "busy little creatures", as well as Ripley's famous quote "Get away from her, you bitch." Alien³ (1992): The Alien gets within inches of Rain's face, and the 20th Century Studio fanfare gets distorted in a similar way; like Bishop, Rook's remaining upper half is reactivated; just before his death, Tyler taunts the Alien with "Is that all you got?" Alien Resurrection (1997): There is a newborn alien/human hybrid in the finale that is even hostile to its own mother. Prometheus (2012): The black mutagen makes a return, and Rook's explanation about it clearly refers to the Prometheus mission, the Engineers and doctor Shaw (Noomi Rapace). Alien: Covenant (2017): The mutagen has been extracted, purified and experimented with, creating Xenomorphs with a significantly shortened growth cycle and increased healing ability, quite similar to the Protomorph.
Why wasn't Niell Blomkamp movie a thing?
I think the best way to summarise Alien Romulus would be, its two hours of combining every Alien film in the franchise into one movie for the good and the bad. It left me feeling very "Bro can I copy your homework?" "Sure just change it up a little". As far as effects go the Ian Holm deep fake was the only bit that had me thinking they should have taken another method than that, it was atrocious to see in Imax, the worst part? the mouth! it looked so copy pasted on top of the rest!
As far as the films story goes I feel there wasn't enough emphasis on the desperation to escape the planet. The Rain wasn't angry enough about being manipulated over and over again by the company, all we really got was exposition of how miserable the characters where, nobody actually seemed that oppressed. Also given that at least two of the characters seemed to have free access to a ship whenever they wanted it seemed absurd that ex boyfriend had never taken Rain up to just see the sun at any point before? that would be basic bitch territory to impress a partner right? Bjorn was there to give us someone we were looking forward to seeing killed off, what with his constant unprovoked abuse towards Andy. I actually really liked Andy's portrayal a lot, that the damaged synthetic felt more vulnerable and human than any of the other characters in the film. I kind of wish that his software repairs had remained after the chip was removed, minus the overriding "do it for the company" directive of course, although that did leave me wondering how software and hardware interact in this universe. Why did Andy revert back to his previous self? Maybe I missed an explanation about when he crashes and needs to be reboot he loses the updates? That would have been a nice way to tie in Rain going back to save him both physically and metaphorically. Everything is great until we hit trying to tie in Prometheus and Covenant. The instant Kay said she was pregnant I knew she was there purely because of that, her sole characters purpose is freaky birth sequence. She honestly serves nothing to the plot and is just there as a vehicle for grotesque hybrid fodder, which in itself felt like a weird amalgam of Prometheus and Alien Resurrection. The two sequences I loved where the most original ideas in the film (Clearly Ridley let go of the wheel for 5 minutes so Alvarez could cook). They creepy hot terror hallway of nothing but facehuggers actually made them scary again! The suspense of silence and seeing then waiting, twitching at any sound, wondering if our characters body temp would drop or if even the sound of sweat dripping would set them off! Then there's the glorious Zero-G Acid tunnel Vortex, chefs kiss to that! As if only worrying about being caught in the spray was bad enough now here's a whole swirling pool of death for you to somehow navigate through, oh and btw did we mention you're on a timer too? I'll be adding that to my list of nightmare fuel thanks Alvarez.
I do completely agree with your point that being told how everything got the way it did sounds like I somehow missed a fantastic Alien movie in the series. Big chaps crucified remains (yes we see that religious metaphor very clever) with harpoon still embedded looming over everything felt very fan service but also that's it? that's all we got? felt wasted in a way.
Something that I feel might have helped tie the movie to the overall "evil company" narrative might have been to have had the damaged station intentionally directed towards the mining colony. They obviously new the Xenomorphs could survive extreme heat and pressures so perhaps as an override Rook could have sent the station on a collision course with the planet as a way of seeding the planet with more specimens for company collection at a later date. It did feel very odd that somehow nobody else had spotted the station given its size and proximity, having it being intentional would have gotten round that and been very on brand.
Sorry about the huge rant, I honestly really wanted to to enjoy the film but it ended up feeling like they went for copying lots of ideas from the franchise to appeal to fans rather than push boundaries. Trying to Prove you're a fan by rewriting and showing the fans everything they loved about the previous entries doesn't make them think you're a genius, Star Wars: The Force Awakens proves that. Also Fede, Ridley will never be your Senpai! You should have made your own movie! XD
I watched the movie yesterday, still love it, but plot holes?
1) Why do the teens have access to an interstellar ship, and why does it have no pods? What is that ship used for on the colony? Cargo from where to where, and why?
2) Why is there no traffic control, and no-one questioning their take off? And no-one can follow at all?
3) Why don't the company minions on the colony, who presumably have access to better sensor arrays, notice the station approaching before the teens?
4) Blind luck gets the ship to land in a hangar bay. Whose doors then close usefully. Would have been nice to see Rook react and save the ship using station resources. Or - why not have an alternative ship/dropship on the station?
5) Freezing doesn't halt xenomorph progress now. Kay's pregnancy should have halted once she was frozen. Ripley in A3 had arrested development. The magic goo is the answer? I effing hate the goo. It can explain everything without its action ever being explained. I know a lot of secondary sources have worked on it and incorporated it into alien law since Prometheus introduced it, but I still find it world breaking.
6) Not a plot hole, but I'd have preferred clearer visuals on how Rain managed to thread the needle on a cable in zero G through the cargo bay and back to the ship without getting smushed when it gets violently jettisoned. I can suspend disbelief there a little, but it's still bugging me. I'll watch a lot closer next time.
7) The room to 98.6 degrees then they open a huge door and let the warmed air out. FFS. You either have to warm both sides, or heat the room beyond 98.6 and open then close the door as fast as possible and get the right temp. More tension as you have to close the door behind you. The corridor behind them is blue lit - looks cold. It obviously is, because they make a big deal of heating the very next section of corridor.
That'll do for now, I know other folk have pointed out other inconsistencies, but those are the ones that jumped out at me as I watched. Something in the elevator shaft also felt off after a while, but that was more the choreography of the scene I think. I'll need to watch again.
Still really enjoyed the movie, will go see it again. Every movie since Aliens has had its own set of disappointments that were at the time devastating, some have improved with time, others not so much. I think this will stand up better than most, but I am in the afterglow still.
A lot of my initial issues could have been explained, just needed a little narrative, or a dialogue line or two to fix. Seeing the Nostromo name plate was hilarious and dumb, when you think of the explosion shown in 1979, but I let it go. Finding the big chap is a stretch, but I'll give the company good enough on board sensors to find objects floating in space on odd trajectories. Encased in its own resin? The aliens have the ability to create a lot of mass from almost nothing too often. It bugs me. (Pardoning the pun!)
I saw it yesterday and thought I remember one of the main male characters (can't remember his name) implying it was a work vehicle, they routinely flew in it for whatever their job was. I just thought of it like a truck or a tractor, something relatively common and mundane used there
@@Paulus449 I hope that's true, but it's still strange to have a local-use tractor capable of a 9 year interstellar flight to another colony. It just seems mighty convenient. Why not just have an atmospheric rock hopper for moving stuff around Jackson? I feel it needed more explanation. A second viewing may well help with a few of my gripes, but not all. Thanks for the update though, much appreciated!
they heated both rooms
@@tturi2 Great! It was not clear to me, but I happily stand corrected. I'll look for it and go "Ooops! So they did!" When I go see it again Monday/Tuesday. Thanks for the correction.
@Muted152 I respectfully disagree. the ship is interstellar because it can make the journey, add cryopods and voila! interstellar capability for a 9 year journey. It apparently has the engine capacity and durability for such flight, therefore - interstellar capable. Of course the teens could be mistaken, and even with cryopods they'd never make it due to system failure, loss of power, you name it on the 9 year journey. However if we take it as true that this ship can make it to the distant colony it is hard to imagine why there is a need for that level of capability on a local use planetary hauler in a colony of what was it 3K people? And why those teens would have access to such an overpowered resource, rather than it being company controlled and piloted. It could have been explained, but it wasn't, so it bugs me.
You and Grace agree on this movie. Not sure that has ever happened.
They re-use lines and copy scenes from the old movie movies
Hard pass.
I loved this movie. It felt like the original Alien movie (good and scary), versus the last two Ridley Scott movies. They were good sci-fi movies, just not good ALIEN movies. They never felt like Alien to me.
To answer your question about the hive and why aliens were not present at the beginning. This is because the ship is divided in 2 sections, Romulus and Remus. They begin exploring in remus but after Navarro accidentally moves the smaller ship, they then go into the Romulus section of the ship. This is where the hive is present
The final 3rd of this film is terrible, very similar to the ending of Alien Resurrection, completely ruined the film after a strong start.
You skipped over one of the best scenes when the chest burster busted out of Navarro and she kicks the controls of the ship causing the ship to fly out of control and crash multiple times into the Romulus before crash landing in the docking Bay area. Such an amazing scene and incredibly tense leading right into the next scene with the xenomorph coming out of the cocoon and chasing after Kay.
The most intense scene of the movie imo
That chestbuster busting out was one of the worst and lamest of the franchise by far!
@@MrTask4ce I agree, and it was incredibly beautiful to see on screen!
@@ikaros21agreed on this. So lame by comparison to other films. The fact the shuttle somehow lands PERFECTLY intact in the hanger bay is absurd.
@@jaworski105it's so lazily written, is all you need is Romulus stations Muthur system taking control of ship then safely docking it. Meh but makes more sense. Infuriating rubbish film, screenwriting standard today is shocking
The birth messed it up for me. From a survival perspective, the creature should have looked different. It looked cheap too,but with great lighting. Nothing about it said perfect evolution to me. 3 out of 5 stars.
It did mess it up for me, but i thought about it as the danger of evolution and genetic modifications like Engineers creating Humans on accident, Humans creating A.I., A.I. programming Androids, Androids to Synthetics, Creators thinking their Gods, but failing to understand the negative repercussions of their actions. Like Engineers studying Xenos, using Xenos for the Black Goo, the Black Goo creating unidentified organisms, organisms leading to reverse DNA, to a perfect organism aka a hybrid alien being the most dangerous Xenomorph🤔
You're very generous. 1 out 5 stars for me.
@@YaBoyMirage It should've been something beautiful looking at least
That's the point. It was not meant to be a perfect evolution. Also even when Rook said they basically cracked the serume. We'll no they did not. Especially when they showed the rat carcass. Also the more of the black goo it would feed on the more perfect it would have turned. Clear as day he was changing when he was drinking the black goo from the girl.
It was legit the ending of Resurrection mixed with Prometheus and a sprinkle of Alien 3. Absolutely terrible ending.