Canon XF100 & XF105 Hands-On With Sample Footage
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2011
- The Camera Store's Chris Niccolls had a chance to try out Canon's exciting new XF105 camera. This very compact professional camcorder shoots incredibly high quality 50MBPS 4:2:2 video. The single 1/3" sensor had us concerned so we ran a few tests. Check out the results!
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Excellent review! Thanks for that. I just got mine, and looking forward to seeing what it can do!
very nice job on your review
Hi Jared how have you been lol
@ProjectOverseer The outside in the cold shots were from the XF105, the rest (unless otherwise mentioned) were from the JVC HM700 with a Canon 14X F1.6 lens.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Great hands-on review. Thanks for posting!
@TheCameraStoreTV Thank you for the recommendations. Much appreciated!
@jasonwatson66 The opening was filmed with the XF105. The portions with Chris talking were shot with the JVC HM700 with a Canon 14X lens.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@OnlineVideoExpert The XF100 cameras support LANC input for zoom, focus, iris and record on/off. Any standard sub-miniphone LANC controller will be compatible.
@EluraUser This was shot on a JVC HM700 with the Canon 14X lens. The opening is snow was shot on the XF105.
Took a trip down memory lane :D Amazing
@Guronio The opening in the cold was shot with the XF105. As are the indicated low light shots. With camcorders we usually open with footage from the previewed camera. I suppose we should have made it more obvious here.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@DJBFilmz Both cameras were manually white balanced about 10 minutes apart. The I think the different sensors are largely to blame for the different colours, though it was not a tightly controlled test so other factors like changing light from the artificial light may have been a factor.
The footage from DSLRs can cut well with the XF series, but I recommend turning sharpness and contrast all the way down in the DSLRs. They tend to be too punchy and suffer from moire.
@Darksideswiatek Both are now available and in stock at our shop.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Loved the GL2 shout out, great camera for its time.
@MeiDoc The Desert short film can be found on our channel. Either the AF100 or VG20 would be great cameras for your needs, but I would go with the AF100 for its SDI out, XLR inputs, and ND filters.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
@MeiDoc I use an AF100. A hacked GH2 is a great camera, but I use the AF100 for the XLR input, headphone jack, built in ND filters and in camera over and undercranking. If you edit the images heavily, the XF100 also has an SDI output for a fantastically adjustable image. The Gh2 shoots great stills though, so you may want one as a hybrid camera.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
@TGS265 The files from the Canon XF series are currently only editable in Final Cut Pro, Premiere Pro, Vegas Pro, and VideoStudio Pro. Unfortunately, the format is not as universally editable as DV based cameras. This video was cut in Final Cut Pro. Thanks for watching!
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@FrostyTheBeerMan The XF100 is identical, except for the SDI out (which we didn't use for this video), and the Genlock port for multicam work. However the quality is identical, which is why we labelled this the XF100 & XF105 Hands-On.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@dennisonearth The depth of field is quite large, due to the smaller sensor. If you are defocussing background, you will need to use the long end of the zoom.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Great review. Im sold.
Yes, just make sure you have the latest version.
@itsaboutusvideos This is a common misconception, the Canon actually only has a single 1/3" sensor. The JVC has 3 1/4" chips. While we found similar amount of noise in both cameras, the JVC gave us a slightly sharper image in low light. I think the Canon's noise reduction is stripping some of the detail out of the image.
@videomonkey13 The Genlock port allows timecode sync for multicamera work and 3D production. The SDI sends out an uncompressed video stream for monitoring, storage, or broadcast.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
For a native sync, you need the XF105 or XF305. These are the only cameras with a Genlock port for camera syncing. You can maintain camera settings from all of the XF series cameras though, if you are only interested in maintaining the picture profiles between cameras. The XA10 has different colour profiles, and no Genlock, so it would not be my first choice for multi-cam shooting. Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
@DeadDaisyProductions The camera can only store video to CF cards. The SD card slot is only for adding video profiles. There is a USB and HDMI port.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@woodycarr Depends on how you plan to use it. For a light, travel kit I use the Manfrotto 755 MDEV tripod with a 701HDV head. If weight is less of a concern, I would check out the Manfrotto 546 Stick with a 501HDV head.
Great review
@auzzycowley Currently, no versions of iMovie officially support the files from Canon's XF series. iMovie 11 has surprised us before, however I have been unable to test it.
The XF100 series have not shipped yet, we are anticipating stock in mid-late February. We do have a waiting list for the camera if you wish to be added.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Im thinking about buying my first camera to do some high quality music videos and I was looking at this camera here and it seems to be a good choice! But the reason Im leaving the comment is, I wanted to say that I think you guys do a spectacular job making your videos and putting out the information! Im definitely going to subscribe and I WILL continue to watch your videos! Great job and thanks for taking the time to post such wonderful videos!!!
@buknar456 The JVC HM100 has 3 1/4" chips, while the XF100 has a single 1/3". We actually found less noise in the XF100 files, but the JVC retained slightly more detail. Which is the better camera depends on how much time you intend to spend processing the images.
Great video!
@EluraUser Unfortunately we did not shoot a comparison, however I have tested the two on a monitor side by side, and while both are quite noisy at 18DB, the JVC retains more detail. I think this is due to Canon's noise reduction as the XF105 video is incredibly sharp at low gain.
Very nice video review, thanks!
@boss2677 I find it depends a lot on your workflow and size restrictions. The HM100 is a much faster workflow if you are using Final Cut Pro. I also love the JVC's removable XLR handle, when sound is not important and you need to travel light or be discreet. The Canon has a much nicer lens, a better codec (though both are VERY good), and a nicer LCD. It all comes down to which features are more important to you.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@dohdohrox The lens is not removable, however the XF100 has a 58mm front filter thread that you can mount a fisheye conversion lens onto.
We did a short review at the end of our RX100 Field Test. You can find it on our channel. I'm a big fan of the camera!
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
very informative. thanks!!!
@Hector95100 The XF100 has a much smaller sensor than a DSLR, so you will only able to obtain shallow depth of field by shooting at the long end of the zoom. If you are looking for a video camera that gives you the DSLR look, check out the Panasonic AF100.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
@videomonkey13 You could still connect a monitor via the HDMI, if your field monitor has that option.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@TomHarper68 The XH-A1 is a different class of camera, much larger and heavier, but with better low-light (due to the three sensors) and a 20X zoom as opposed to 10X. I consider the handling better as well. Outside of low-light though, the files from the XF100 are much better at handling fine detail and scenes with lots of movement.
DOF is quite large with this camera, despite the large aperture. If you are looking for shallow depth of field a Panasonic GH2 might be a good option.
@Korty25 For film making and music video work I would look seriously at the 5D or other video DSLR. The footage is much more cinematic due to the larger sensor size and shallow depth of field. The XF100 series are great camera for documentary work, but for film making I would check out the DSLRs.
@defkut The XF100 would be an excellent choice, it's 422 colour makes chroma key quite a bit easier. The video is very sharp, certainly suitable for ad work, but make sure you invest in some good lights. with the XF100 the more light you can get the better.
For low light work, especially in music videos, it might be a good idea to look at a DSLR like the 60D as a companion camera.
If you have any other questions, let me know
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Great review I really appreciate all the details, did not realize this was from 2011 what about for 2016 is this camera still considered good or is there something better for live streaming in comparison with this camera and price range? thanks for any help. I had noticed people are still buying this camera 5 years later so it must be a good one thanks for any input that would be helpful.
@sbeer6er The difference is all in the codecs. The Xf100 uses a 4:2:2 MXF codec with less compression than the consumer cameras. This means there is more information when adjusting footage in post, and less motion artifacts. The XF100, XA10, and HF G10 all have a wider lens than the M-Series cameras.
Also, the XF100 has many more manual controls than the Vixias, so they are much easier for experienced operators to work with.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
Great video camera review. Now I have to debate if I want to get this camera or not. I didn't realize how small it was and it only used one chip.
@leefuji We shot this with my current favourite, the JVC HM700 with a Canon 14X lens.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@MrMDK128 I really like the HD2000 from Glidecam. ($540 CDN). It is simple to float, handles great, and is easily adjustable if you need to change the battery, conversion lens, or microphone. I also like the Steadicam Merlin ($898 CDN), as it quite a bit more portable. However, it does take longer to make small weight adjustments and is quite a bit more expensive.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
The lens cannot be changed, however you can add a conversion lens like a fisheye to the 58mm thread.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
What a great review! So much more information and depth than B & H. Good job and if there were awards for camera reviews, this would get my vote. Still, I might stick to the Lumix GH2 for low light.
I am looking to upgrade for youtube videos, which in your opinion is better, This, canon xa10, xf100 or t4i?
As a skateboard cinematographer ( you can tell by the videos on my channel ) I have to say in the filmer community ( filmer is the word we use to describe someone who makes skateboard videos ) the GL2 is damn good camera for SD, but the Sony VX1000 always made it ahead with it's Century Optics Mark 1 fisheye and it great microphone for skating. I use a Panasonic DVX100B and love it, I feel it's so creative and open with 24p and 60i and those scene files where to die for!! I love that camera!
Nice review!!!
The prank was funny :P
Yes, the XF100 can shoot 720/60P (which is captured at 59.94). The 1080 footage is capture at 24P, 30P, and 60i. There is no interlaced 30 fps mode.
Hey Guys Great Review, the best one I have seen so far!
Had a quick question, debating between getting this XF100 and the XA10, what are your views on the differences etc.?
@slow758 It comes with the camera, the XF300 has it as well.
Jordan at The Camera Store
Great review! is there an advantage with the 4.2.2 color space in this camera for Chroma key compare to other cameras in the same price range?
Thanks for your reply. I am really sorry to hear that. I love the JVC but it's low low light capacity is such a drawback and the Canon sounded so great. Have you found a way to increase the JVC's image in low light?
@TomHarper68 The xa10 and the xf100 have the exact same lens and sensor. But the xf100 has 50mbps 4:2:2 codec, so it has better color information. And it also depends on if the person did any color correction on the video.
@MeiDoc The XF100 quality is certainly good enough for a narrative web series. However, I would also look into a DSLR or large sensor camcorder like the Panasonic AF100 or Sony VG20, as they will give you more cinematic, shallow depth of field. Take a look at our short The Desert (shot on an AF100) for an example of what the large sensor cameras can produce.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
Great review, super helpful! I've been looking at one of these for a few weeks. Also what brand is your lav? I need one of those too ;)
@hotgypsylips I think you are getting feedback. You can find out by plugging headphones into your monitor. If the sound stops, it is a feedback issue. If feedback is the problem either continue using headphones reducing either input volume on the camera or the volume on your HDMI display.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
@fabiancdotcom All CMOS sensors do have a certain amount of rolling shutter, which causes this 'jello effect'. However, the effect is mostly noticeable on cameras with very large CMOS sensors, like the DSLRs, Sony VG10, and Sony VG10. The rolling shutter should not be an issue with XF100, unless there are strobes firing, where you can see some odd artifacts.
Great to hear the cards are hotswappable for me coming off the Panasonic AG-HVX200 (because while CF cards are still mildly expensive, they're nowhere near the price of P2 cards).
@WilliamsFamilyMoment All the interiors with Chris talking were shot with a JVC HM700 with a Canon 14X lens.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
@Maxismedia I recommend at least 300X to keep up with the huge files this camera creates.
@AMcguyver I use the Audio Technica AT875 with a Rode Deadcat.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Thanks so much for this video! I love this camera, but there is one thing that makes it almost unusable for me, regarding the zoom - I wonder if you or anyone can help me with this? I like to use "manual focus", and I focus the old-school way - zoom right in, focus, then zoom back out. I like to use the "Grip Rocker" for zoom, but I am finding that it is way too slow for me, even when I set it to the fastest speed of "16". Don't suppose there is a way to increase the speed of the Grip Rocket beyond this?
@bouchandre I have not tested the two cameras side by side, but I was very impressed with the AX2000 in low light. The Canon has only a single 1/3" sensor as opposed to three in the AX2000. Canon would have to work a couple small miracles to compete with the Sony in low light...
Nicely done review. The XF100 seems very similar to the JVC. So would you take the JVC-HM100 over the XF100 for documentary and journalism work? I'm stuck trying to decide between these two cams.
Canon's new XF105 is awesome cam. I also love Canon's DSLR's i.e. 7D & 5Dmk2.
I'd like to know though what camera you guys are filming this preview with - before you swirched over to the XF105?
@TheCameraStoreTV thanks, well I do have CS5 adobe premiere pro.. so i got the editing system... just not that good at it yet LOL... so i got my work cut out for me ... thanks again...
@TheCameraStoreTV never thanked you for the respons which was helpful, after researching noticed the same thing, I am now searching for the DSLR to compliment the duo...
Awesome review! Many thanks!
But if i'm OK to carry larger camera and if i need a low light,
can I pick EXx instead of XF300?
:)
thanks again.
I've just bought a Canon XF100 and must say it's an amazing camcorder. Tried out some night shots and they came out absolutely stunning. I also have a Canon Legria HF S21 which also produces great video footage. I shot some great footage with my Legria and copied it onto Blur-ay disc. Both the XF100 and Legria take with on hikes.
Thanks for sharing your overview of the Canon XF.
JonaraDV
Great very comprehensive review and professionally done. How do you think it compares with the Canon XH A1s which is in a similar price range, is it a replacment or are they aimed at different markets? How is the DoF as it seems to have wide apeture possibilities?
Excellent review indeed. One question though. I was surprised to hear you say the Canon XF100(105) does not do as well as the JVC100 in low light (or did I hear you wrong?). The JVC has 1/4 chips and I feel does not do well at all in low light. With 1/3rd chips you would think the Canon does better. ??
What microphone would you recommend for this camera? Great video by the way!!
Excellent review. Thanks! Do you have a recommendation for a tripod and video head that would work best with the XF105?
Great work, excellent review. XF105 has only 1 chip, how do you think it compare to the Panasonic AG-HMC150 which has 3 chips?
@TheCameraStoreTV
I really doubt that HMC will be better in low light, there are three years of R&D between two, and that's a lot;
what I am really interested is put side by side XF100 and XA10, and I think resuls will be surprising,
great review!
Thanks!
You can always buy a diffusion filter so you can get rid of that wonderful detail.
thanks for the post ... My question is would the camera cards work with a easy editing systems like windows media or is it for somthing like CS5 and final cut pro... im considering buying the camera soon... I have a XL2 thats aging and the one thing i love about it, is that it will work with any editing system ... any feed back helps thanks...
First off, thank you for all of the videos. They are very helpful. I'm a actor, writer turn director and I'm curious to know what would be the best thing use to record my web-series, documentary, and short film. I've been told about T3, 60d and so on. Then there's the prosumer Camcorder like the ones mentioned in this video. Could use your help please?
Many thanks , would you pls compare it with sony NX100
With what camera did you shoot this video? Very clean and a good presentation overall.
I haven't heard any word on a replacement camera, so if the XF100 meets your needs, I'd grab one. There's still nothing that records internal 10 bit 4:2:2 in that price range.
This was filmed on the JVC HM700 with a Canon 14X lens.
Love it
@metagamers The XA10 has identical low light performance to the XF100/XF105. They use the same sensor and lens.
Jordan @ The Camera Store
Cool review.
the Xa10 is actually the smallest of Canon's pro line. I'm thinking about buying one of those, can you review it? Also, do you know if it works on imovie 11? I'm going to buy fcp when i save up.
Great review!!! How does it compare to the HMC 150...I am in the market for a camera to shoot bmx bike riding and skateboarding! Thanks a bunch!
"If someone remembers standard def nowadays"... And this video is recorded at the "high resolution" 720p.
How time flies...
@TheCameraStoreTV nice video , just wondering .. what camera did you guys use to shoot this video ?
Great review. Very informative. I'm transitioning out of a Canon XH A1 with a CF DTE recorder and this looks like the camera to do that with and to pair up with my Canon 70d. My concern is the 10x zoom. I'm mostly using this to live stream hockey and will be shooting from center ice up above the action. Do you feel this lens will give me enough to get tight enough when I have to go in tighter on the action? Or, is there anyone out there who has shot hockey with it. Thanks for your input. I look forward to your future equipment reviews.
Regards,
Mike - Syracuse, NY
Michael B The Sony As7 compared to xf100 is better in low light, better at green screen,etc... but it's not a point and shoot. Buy the Xf300, I have all the cameras I mentioned and the Xf is a good run and gun. As7 we use in low action green screen, the xf100 is a secondary camera at best.
i have been used over one year now, but i recently noticed left side of the coverage isnt sharp, even when focus ,i shoot on manual mode, please what course that n what will be right settings for gain ?? Thanks
When are you guys going to review the Sony Professional HXR-NX70 Handy Type Camcorder???
I'm really after a tough little weather sealed unit for a trip I'm planning. A long trip, very long and through some seriously rugged terrain.
@crazyspooks10 I'll tell you
1 they have xlr audio which makes for much cleaner audio because xlr is less vulnerable to interference
2 it has more manual control and more control right on the body, it's better to have your controls on the camera body as opposed to in the menu system because it makes things more accessible and makes shoots go much faster
3 it has 4.2.2. color space which makes vfx blending and green screen much easier (completely software related)
Sorry if this sounds weird but, I noticed from these older videos through to the new ones that Chris has consistently good hair. Would you mind telling me where in Calgary do you go for a haircut?