I don't have any problems with the AMT-MPC-Lindberg or Revell-Monogram cross packaging. But if you look at your windsheild of the Lindberg, it's to rounded and if you look at the AMT it's right. You have a first issue Lindberg. Later is the same as the AMT.
Hi mat if you flip the box over and cut around the box seam you can leave the plastic on the lid. Not exactly unsealed but still protects the lid of the box, I do it to most of mine now..
I built the Lindberg version back in the late '90s. It was a very fun build, no issues. I now have the AMT version in my stash and will enjoy building it as well. Who cares if they are the same kit. Enjoy your hobby and don't sweat the small stuff. Ha ha!
I like the fact that Jay Leno drives all his cars at some point. He even works on the cars. I hate the guys who buy cars and puts them away and nobody sees them and he never drives them. That shit sucks for everyone.
The AMT version is the same kit except it is a corrected version of the original run from Lindberg who has a "too rounded" cowl ! İt was modified by Lindberg quickly and reintroduced about 8 months later with a new logo in blue & red instead of the one you have in yellow & red ... So the AMT is more accurate for the lower portion of the windshield and the cowl !
I open every kit I get, but leave the plastic on the box. I cut three sides around the bottom of the box and tape the edges to the edges of the box. I do leave the internal plastic on until I build, unless I got the kit for parts. Thanks for sharing the hobby!
I just look at it this way. Round2 is making kits available again for the average guy. We can't all afford the high prices originals are selling for. Good on Round2 for that.
I built the Lindberg '61 Impala last year, it's a great little kit. The one I did was the early version with the misshaped windscreen cowl. It's barely noticable but still looks amazing when built up, they really are a nice kit these.
This means that I don't have to chase an old Lindberg 409 Impala because the box art is alluring. I'll just go get another AMT Impala. But I do like what Round2 is doing. They can re-release all the old model kits from our childhood. I want!
Yours looks to be an early Lingberg release. The cowl behind the hood was wrong in their 1st release of the '61. Check the AMT hood with the Lindberg one, the back side might be different. They recalled and fixed it before putting it back out.
Matt, if you’d like to do a comparison of the same car, kitted by different companies, hunt down a pair of 1967 Chevelle kits. Revell and AMT both did that car, and released them at nearly the same time. They also both did their own ‘67 Camaro and ‘69 Chevelle kits. But those were both tooled decades apart.
Matt, it doesn’t bother me at all. Round2 purchased those molds with the intent of re-popping the kit. They repair worn or broken molds and include upgraded or comparable parts if needed some they sell under Lindbergh some they cross over to AMT. I believe they did sell that kit under Lindbergh for a time and recently switched to AMT. it’s what they do hence Round2. We should all be happy we have these kits to purchase.
The convertible has both stock and aftermarket rims and mine came in red plastic instead of white. So don’t open a convertible kit for another comparison if you have a sealed one.
Interesting note: Matt that 48 Ford convertible You & your Father built is actually a Lindberg Kit reboxed and rebranded as Testors. I still have one in the box I never built. With Model Kits I recommend always removing the plastic, these olds kits can have defects from age and sitting. I will only ever pay higher dollar for open kits where I can see if the tires haven't eaten through Windows or body parts and the decals are flaking to pieces. I photo copy the original decals and make news ones from the scans. In the model hobby never pay top dollar for sealed kits, especially as some have had the vehicle inside different from the box, a mistake from the factory 35+ years ago lol. A sealed model kit is a gamble and no one should ever risk paying the collectors gouging prices on unknown condition sealed kits. P.S. Most people in the hobby are aware of the brand molds for the model lines, collectors do anyway. It's not a shady thing it's just what companies do when they aquire the molds. Most of the time it's obvious as we know AMT bought out Lindberg. These were never made or designed to be collectors items so companies never put much effort to keep the mold trails clear from year to year. I remember hearing at a model club meeting years ago where Monogram had gotten some older molds from airfix that were to be repaired but they never paid for them so the molding company years later sold them off to Monogram which later bought the US Airfix rights which then went to Revell who did release a number of Airfix kits as Revell kits. Interesting stuff if you watch the videos for each brand you learn a lot of little things they were all doing back then. Here's a you tube video link showing the history of the company. This guy does amazing research and makes videos for all the major Brands including Jo-Han. ua-cam.com/video/sVahHjxZ2mM/v-deo.html
Hey Matt, just think of all the 100's of 61 Impala kits that you saved other people from opening! Your custodial duty was accomplished for this kit ! lol
Sorry you opened that kit. I just finished a Amt 53 Victoria which was a old Lindberg kit and I love the build. Anyway they can reissue a kit is cool. At least we have some of the older kits in production I give it a 👍👍👍🤘
AMT/Lindberg is essentially Revell/Monogram now that the model industry has consolidated. And now Round2 is cross-packaging with Italeri just as Revell has cross-packaged with Italeri for years in Europe. And let's not forget that Atlantis is now selling older kits once sold by Revell and that companies like Model King throw special, short-release kits into the mix. And how does Moebius fit into the puzzle? Sigh ... it gets confusing, but I will note that we're in another Golden Age for building and collecting. Oh, and before I forget, there are sellers out there (mostly on eBay) who are taking pristine kits they've acquired - kits that have been opened and, gasp, touched 😉 - and rewrapping them so well, even seasoned collectors have trouble recognizing then. So, take custody of some of those old kits and sleep easily at night. Some of them will make some other modeler quite happy someday.👍
Geez!! I'm just seeing this now!...ugh! I suck on keeping tabs on ur videos Matt nowadays!!..lol! Any who, those 61' impalas build up nicely when built. That blows you opened that bugger up 😑 oh well! Definitely gotta build one of them now pal😊
That Lindberg kit you have I believe is one of the very first issued the cowling at the hood is curved and it is not correct. Lindberg changed it immediately compare it to amt at cowl,I know bought two of the first ones. So that was a rare kit. Tom
It’s okay Mathew, you saved the Lindberg kit from destruction by tire!! There is a silver lining to opening the kit. And see now you can build both kits without remorse. And in my experience these are really good kits to build!
But, they're not exactly the same. The new AMT kit also includes the mag wheels from their '62 BelAir kits that weren't in there before. Also, as Glen and Helene mentions below, the cowls and windshields are not the same. You got one of the early Lindberg kits with the incorrect cowl, hood etc. It was caught early on and corrected. Back then, if you had bought one, If you contacted Lindberg they would send you a new body, hood, glass, chrome tree with new wipers to fit the new windshield and a few other things. IIRC, they sent me almost 1/2 the kit because if one part on a tree was wrong, they would send you the whole tree.
Without Round2 these kits wouldn't be available. And Round2 makes its money on the Star Trek and Space 1999 kits so it's even luckier these old kits are being produced, regardless of label.
It's the same with that 1964 Plymouth Belvedere too. Sorry you open your Lindberg kit. But you make a great wideo. Today is nice weather to build because we have a loot of rain and wind. Storm in Norway today. Keep on your good work.
Nice comparison Matt, too bad you had to break the seal to get it done. The Lindberg builds up nicely. I don't mind the cross selling between the round 2 brands, similar to Monogram/Revell. Look forward to Ruthie's build.
Oh, brother, I feel your pain about the plastic wrap. 😄 I am about preserving history-especially the price of these gems. The price of our hobby is getting insane.
To answer your question about Round 2 mixing kits among the brands, I personally wish they wouldn't. Revell did the same thing when Monogram was absorbed. Many Monogram toolings are out as Revell kits now. I would rather they stay Monogram branded. The Lindberg molds need to be Lindberg. Just my opinion😁 Oh, yeah, like you said, Ertl released MPC as AMT too. Glad to see MPC name come back. Ertl almost killed both brands by not having a clue how to run a hobby model company. Quality was spotty, kit contents wouldn't match box art, and so on..... Glad they are gone.
That was a little disapointing that the two kits were the same. As far as what other people think about what we do with our kits who cares? I keep a lot of my hard to find and nicer kits sealed, just because someday someone is going to have access to these kits and I like you want to keep this hobby alive. I have only about 345 different kits , some of them I really like I do the same thing you do and buy multiple kits of the same cars and trucks. All I'm saying Matt is you do what makes you happy and what you like, there is no way we can make everybody happy. There are to many haters in the world these days. Thank you for the good content always.👍👍.
I like to see the instruction sheet to see if It's in my area of my skill.I have near blindness in one eye so very small parts are a project in them selves.
David R Lentz, USA UPDATED Answer: the AMT kit is just a re-boxing of the Lindberg kit. (That frankly surprised me: I always felt the latter company’s kits were inferior in fidelity, accuracy, and quality overall.) Well, as you separate the contents of each kit maker’s box, I see a difference: the relatively slender area between the base of the windshield and the root of the hood looks different on each of the two kits. Also, you noted that the windshield wipers are different. Next, I have a few questions the answers to which can give us something to learn out of all this, which can make this exercise worthwhile: why? And how? That is, why would two kits of the same mold have a difference in their respective largest part? Who would go to all that expense, effort, and trouble, and how would one proceed? To what purpose?
That's a nice comparison Matt, a kit from KB Toys!! its been a long time since I have seen a KB toys. Since I have gotten back into building I noticed had some of the newer kits are using the old molds in the manufacturering and made changes in type of plastics and box art. Thanks for sharing Matt
Well, now we know they are the same kit. If you had not broken the seal on the Lindberg kit, we would not know. Now, you can build one of them. It will give you another chance to use some MCW paints.
Matthew, Good Video, I gotta weird question, Would the AMT 64 SS Impalala Custom parts fit on the AMT 61 SS Impala, just Custom Parts, Like the Hood or Custom grill?
Odd round 2 did not release it as Lindburg. They bought the molds, box art, and the Lindburg name so it confuses me as to why they would release it as AMT. Great vids by the way. Jim
The reasoning that I can think of for Round2 to do it is that AMT, at least globally afaik is a much more widely known and recognizable IP/brand/whatever one wants to call it than Lindberg in the catalogue of stuff they own. Plus it's one of the more reputable ones as well, compared to say MPC (warranted or not). So I think from a marketing and ROI point, releasing the kit under a known brand makes more sense than under a brand they'd have to spend resources building up to a point where potential customers won't pass over it because they're not familiar with the name on the box. Judging from the comments this isn't nearly the first Lindberg kit Round2 has re-released as an AMT. Though Round2 should in my view be more up front about where the plastic in the box originated from. The print doesn't cost that much more compared to how many older modelers will snap them up as soon as they find out "Oh it's that kit" without having to resort to the internet.
Why the change is company names is beyond me. But considering they only have to change a couple of things to call it their own, I guess it's ok. What I will say is Jay Leno is right. All of us are just custodians of anything we have. All of us. I would say the percentage of the "original", unrestored cars in his collect is extremely small, you might find solace in the fact. Even a kit that has been started but is complete is still of value from a custodians viewpoint.
The comparison actually turned out pretty interesting to see the difference between then and now.... and no I don't think that they should flip through the whole instruction manual it's not helping us viewers because half the time their speeding through it anyways !
holly I felt the ground shake and a loud Bag when you cut the plastic off the Lindberg , Nice review don't open any more of your kits , you wont sleep right for a week now just go on being the custodian of the kits you have and you will feel better.
So build one!! It really is a great kit!! It doesn’t matter which one! How about you build one, and your wife can build the other one! See who builds the best looking 61 Impala!!
Damn...that is disappointing and what a bummer. Now I feel bad about suggesting the comparison, sorry man. It is incredibly misleading to put the exact same kit out as something other than what it was, however the logic for Round2 to do it that I can come up with, is that from their catalogue of IPs, AMT to a wider audience is a much more recognizable franchise/brand than Lindberg, that also doesn't have a stink still attached to it like MPC does, warranted or not* Still doesn't make that kind of reboxing right in my book. I mean, I have an Italeri 1/48 Macchi MC.205 kit in my stash, where if one bothers to read the text on the box etc. it's obvious the plastic came from Japan (Hasegawa), but the decals are AFAIK different to all of the previous releases. So if one is going to do a rebox, then there should be something a little more than just a pair of slicks. *It's not like AMT didn't have issues. I found an AMT/ERTL Bill Elliott Coors thunderbird kit from 1990 on sale that I bought for the engine and some other parts to use in another build and to make a nice curbside while I'm at it. Sealed original plastic, unopened, sprues and everything packed as they should be, decals in pristine condition. The body and clear stuff was good, but then there's a twisted clump of sprues in one of the bags and there's clear melt marks on the sprue that has the rollcage halves on it. So, I guess they got stuck in the packing machine or something and whoever packed the box ignored it. Fortunately the bits I wanted out of the kit are usable, but I have to say I was more than a little aggravated at enough being useless that it wasn't worth the effort to have to scratch build most of the remaining kit. Luckily I found another unopened 1990ish AMT/ERTL thunderbird with livery idgaf about for cheap, where everything else was good other than the clear parts, which are useless.
a good word ove advice.for what do I cut the plastic open.just at the bottom ove the box.and it still has the top wrapper on. it so I open the box to check the model car.
I just finished the AMT '61 Impala kit just about a week ago. I was looking at some model sites online just a day or so ago and someone had the Lindberg kit displayed there. I wondered at that time if it was the exact same kit as the AMT issue or not. Here tonight, I noticed your video and poof you answered that question for me. It's funny that here I was wondering about that and you put up a video on the very thing that I was just thinking about.... Sorry for your unboxing of the Lindberg kit though. It's still worth keeping for the future even though the plastic has been cut. Keep up the good work.
Hey Mathew, thanks for the comparison. You pointed out a couple things different between the two. The differences between them, are in my opinion the efforts, adjustments and improvements made by the next owners of the molds, the right to rebrand them. One thing you noticed but didn't catch was on the chrome tree. The sprue bar at the bumpers, if you look closely the detail in the front bumper and grill is different and in my opinion better on the AMT kit. I don't think this rebranding is meant to be deceptive, but rather to bring attention to improvements or changes to the molds/kits after acquisition. Therefore I'm good with it!
Hi Matt, built the Lindberg version not too long ago and unfortunately the decals was not good to work with. Had some issues with some emblems... too old I guess.
I have both models. I bought the Lindberg impala today because I never built a Lindberg kit. I was wondering about Lindberg instructions. I must say I haven't built two models the same.
Matt everyone knows it's the same kit. 🤣🤣🤣 I honestly don't mind the reissues. It's not really misleading. Technically they bought Lindberg so they can do whatever they like.
I do not like the fact that the model companies change up the branding like they do. It can be confusing sometimes. It is done for marketing purposes & it seems to work out for them. You could have made a video asking the community if the kits were the same or not, I suppose.
Matthew, I already knew that these two kits were the same because I already had the Lindberg kit and bought the AMT kit just to compare the two but I watched any way because I enjoy your videos.
I know it's hard...but look at it this way...If you are monetized on UA-cam and getting paid per video view...you will actually make more money over time per video than the end value of the kit. Also, you are showing the world some model kit history.
Dude I would have never opened that kit 😆 Anyways, one thing I took away from this video is that Lindberg is the same as amt.i just got a Lindbergh Dodge color me fast at a local hobby shop and I had no idea these things were the same !!!
Why didn’t you make the last two cuts on the AMT box and just remove the bottom panel of plastic, like I do? I open all my kits, but keep the plastic on 5 sides to protect the box art. Obviously you can’t do that on the clamshell boxes like the Lindberg.
Yeah, I spotted that too. The very first issues of the '61 kit had the rounder cowl. Lindberg stopped production of the kit and fixed the cowl. So he just opened a kit that's only real value was to some collector of flawed kits. I have an opened first issue 1969 Dodge Charger that has the chopped top that I am going to build using a spare body from one of my other kits. I may even chop the nose off of the body to build a '69 Charger 500 using the Daytona kit.
Who cares who made the mold. Round 2 is putting out kits to build. They could just call them R2 kits. If I liked the model I would buy it and build it.
I don't have any problems with the AMT-MPC-Lindberg or Revell-Monogram cross packaging. But if you look at your windsheild of the Lindberg, it's to rounded and if you look at the AMT it's right. You have a first issue Lindberg. Later is the same as the AMT.
Thanks. I wondered. See my comment.
Hi mat if you flip the box over and cut around the box seam you can leave the plastic on the lid. Not exactly unsealed but still protects the lid of the box, I do it to most of mine now..
I just glad we can still get them! Dont over STRESS!
True that!!
I built the Lindberg version back in the late '90s. It was a very fun build, no issues. I now have the AMT version in my stash and will enjoy building it as well. Who cares if they are the same kit. Enjoy your hobby and don't sweat the small stuff. Ha ha!
I didn't know! I like that Round 2 is keeping older kits alive.
I like the fact that Jay Leno drives all his cars at some point. He even works on the cars. I hate the guys who buy cars and puts them away and nobody sees them and he never drives them. That shit sucks for everyone.
The AMT version is the same kit except it is a corrected version of the original run from Lindberg who has a "too rounded" cowl ! İt was modified by Lindberg quickly and reintroduced about 8 months later with a new logo in blue & red instead of the one you have in yellow & red ... So the AMT is more accurate for the lower portion of the windshield and the cowl !
Cool! I'll check that!
I open every kit I get, but leave the plastic on the box. I cut three sides around the bottom of the box and tape the edges to the edges of the box. I do leave the internal plastic on until I build, unless I got the kit for parts. Thanks for sharing the hobby!
Yup, cut, cut, cut at the line, then fold the plastic "flap" within when you close it.
Just as long as they are still making model kits we are grateful no matter what box it comes in.
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We should be happy Round 2 produces these kits if it wasn't for Round 2 none of these would be available
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I just look at it this way. Round2 is making kits available again for the average guy. We can't all afford the high prices originals are selling for. Good on Round2 for that.
I built the Lindberg '61 Impala last year, it's a great little kit. The one I did was the early version with the misshaped windscreen cowl. It's barely noticable but still looks amazing when built up, they really are a nice kit these.
This means that I don't have to chase an old Lindberg 409 Impala because the box art is alluring. I'll just go get another AMT Impala. But I do like what Round2 is doing. They can re-release all the old model kits from our childhood. I want!
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Yours looks to be an early Lingberg release. The cowl behind the hood was wrong in their 1st release of the '61. Check the AMT hood with the Lindberg one, the back side might be different. They recalled and fixed it before putting it back out.
It's a good build. Actually have one on the bench to work on after the 70 gto
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Matt, if you’d like to do a comparison of the same car, kitted by different companies, hunt down a pair of 1967 Chevelle kits. Revell and AMT both did that car, and released them at nearly the same time.
They also both did their own ‘67 Camaro and ‘69 Chevelle kits.
But those were both tooled decades apart.
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Matt, it doesn’t bother me at all. Round2 purchased those molds with the intent of re-popping the kit. They repair worn or broken molds and include upgraded or comparable parts if needed some they sell under Lindbergh some they cross over to AMT. I believe they did sell that kit under Lindbergh for a time and recently switched to AMT. it’s what they do hence Round2. We should all be happy we have these kits to purchase.
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The convertible has both stock and aftermarket rims and mine came in red plastic instead of white. So don’t open a convertible kit for another comparison if you have a sealed one.
The difference is the cowl one is more rounded the other is less round in the middle,,,bet the hoods won't interchange
I'm gonna check that!!
@@modelcarvideos5829 you should see Pamela hirshhorns channel today it's your favorite cars
Interesting note: Matt that 48 Ford convertible You & your Father built is actually a Lindberg Kit reboxed and rebranded as Testors. I still have one in the box I never built.
With Model Kits I recommend always removing the plastic, these olds kits can have defects from age and sitting. I will only ever pay higher dollar for open kits where I can see if the tires haven't eaten through Windows or body parts and the decals are flaking to pieces. I photo copy the original decals and make news ones from the scans. In the model hobby never pay top dollar for sealed kits, especially as some have had the vehicle inside different from the box, a mistake from the factory 35+ years ago lol. A sealed model kit is a gamble and no one should ever risk paying the collectors gouging prices on unknown condition sealed kits.
P.S. Most people in the hobby are aware of the brand molds for the model lines, collectors do anyway. It's not a shady thing it's just what companies do when they aquire the molds. Most of the time it's obvious as we know AMT bought out Lindberg. These were never made or designed to be collectors items so companies never put much effort to keep the mold trails clear from year to year. I remember hearing at a model club meeting years ago where Monogram had gotten some older molds from airfix that were to be repaired but they never paid for them so the molding company years later sold them off to Monogram which later bought the US Airfix rights which then went to Revell who did release a number of Airfix kits as Revell kits. Interesting stuff if you watch the videos for each brand you learn a lot of little things they were all doing back then.
Here's a you tube video link showing the history of the company. This guy does amazing research and makes videos for all the major Brands including Jo-Han.
ua-cam.com/video/sVahHjxZ2mM/v-deo.html
It's a Great kit!!! I can't believe you opened it....lol.
Hey Matt, just think of all the 100's of 61 Impala kits that you saved other people from opening! Your custodial duty was accomplished for this kit ! lol
Lol!! Yep
I can feel your pain of opening something you weren't wanting to but Thank you very much for sharing.
I just completed the AMT kit. It builds up real nice.
Sorry you opened that kit. I just finished a Amt 53 Victoria which was a old Lindberg kit and I love the build. Anyway they can reissue a kit is cool. At least we have some of the older kits in production I give it a 👍👍👍🤘
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Now you know what you didn't at the beginning, so it's not a waste of time. Good video.
I guess so
AMT/Lindberg is essentially Revell/Monogram now that the model industry has consolidated. And now Round2 is cross-packaging with Italeri just as Revell has cross-packaged with Italeri for years in Europe. And let's not forget that Atlantis is now selling older kits once sold by Revell and that companies like Model King throw special, short-release kits into the mix. And how does Moebius fit into the puzzle?
Sigh ... it gets confusing, but I will note that we're in another Golden Age for building and collecting.
Oh, and before I forget, there are sellers out there (mostly on eBay) who are taking pristine kits they've acquired - kits that have been opened and, gasp, touched 😉 - and rewrapping them so well, even seasoned collectors have trouble recognizing then.
So, take custody of some of those old kits and sleep easily at night. Some of them will make some other modeler quite happy someday.👍
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Great info!!
Geez!! I'm just seeing this now!...ugh! I suck on keeping tabs on ur videos Matt nowadays!!..lol! Any who, those 61' impalas build up nicely when built. That blows you opened that bugger up 😑 oh well! Definitely gotta build one of them now pal😊
That Lindberg kit you have I believe is one of the very first issued the cowling at the hood is curved and it is not correct. Lindberg changed it immediately compare it to amt at cowl,I know bought two of the first ones. So that was a rare kit. Tom
I'll definitely check that out!!
I bought the Lindberg one it was built by guy who has passed it came with the box intact
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It’s okay Mathew, you saved the Lindberg kit from destruction by tire!! There is a silver lining to opening the kit. And see now you can build both kits without remorse. And in my experience these are really good kits to build!
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Lindbergh did the same thing when they repackaged several times the classic 29 Ford pickup by amt that first came out in the mid 1960s lol
But, they're not exactly the same. The new AMT kit also includes the mag wheels from their '62 BelAir kits that weren't in there before.
Also, as Glen and Helene mentions below, the cowls and windshields are not the same. You got one of the early Lindberg kits with the incorrect cowl, hood etc.
It was caught early on and corrected. Back then, if you had bought one, If you contacted Lindberg they would send you a new body, hood, glass, chrome tree with new wipers to fit the new windshield and a few other things. IIRC, they sent me almost 1/2 the kit because if one part on a tree was wrong, they would send you the whole tree.
Without Round2 these kits wouldn't be available. And Round2 makes its money on the Star Trek and Space 1999 kits so it's even luckier these old kits are being produced, regardless of label.
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You are so right!!
It kills me as well that the tires and the clear glass are just thrown in the box and aren't in bags. SOO FRUSTRATING !!!!!!
I just built the polar lights 65 Dodge Coronet that is being released now as an AMT kit they're the same
It's the same with that 1964 Plymouth Belvedere too. Sorry you open your Lindberg kit. But you make a great wideo. Today is nice weather to build because we have a loot of rain and wind. Storm in Norway today. Keep on your good work.
Keep yourself and love ones safe and healthy with all that bad weather.
Thanks Sindre!!
Nice comparison Matt, too bad you had to break the seal to get it done. The Lindberg builds up nicely. I don't mind the cross selling between the round 2 brands, similar to Monogram/Revell. Look forward to Ruthie's build.
Thanks David
I have no issue with that either as long as the kit builds up ok..
Oh, brother, I feel your pain about the plastic wrap. 😄
I am about preserving history-especially the price of these gems. The price of our hobby is getting insane.
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There's also a Dyno Don drag version of that Lindberg 61 that I have....
To answer your question about Round 2 mixing kits among the brands, I personally wish they wouldn't. Revell did the same thing when Monogram was absorbed. Many Monogram toolings are out as Revell kits now. I would rather they stay Monogram branded.
The Lindberg molds need to be Lindberg. Just my opinion😁
Oh, yeah, like you said, Ertl released MPC as AMT too. Glad to see MPC name come back. Ertl almost killed both brands by not having a clue how to run a hobby model company. Quality was spotty, kit contents wouldn't match box art, and so on..... Glad they are gone.
Some seller on u tube that is selling that vintage Linberg kit is not happy with you. Good job.
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there both great kits
That was a little disapointing that the two kits were the same. As far as what other people think about what we do with our kits who cares? I keep a lot of my hard to find and nicer kits sealed, just because someday someone is going to have access to these kits and I like you want to keep this hobby alive. I have only about 345 different kits , some of them I really like I do the same thing you do and buy multiple kits of the same cars and trucks. All I'm saying Matt is you do what makes you happy and what you like, there is no way we can make everybody happy. There are to many haters in the world these days. Thank you for the good content always.👍👍.
Towards the end when you held the bodies up you could see the difference in the wiper cowl.
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I like to see the instruction sheet to see if It's in my area of my skill.I have near blindness in one eye so very small parts are a project in them selves.
The body ❤is different. Look at the Lindberg Cowell it's more rounded . The AMT isn't the same.
David R Lentz, USA
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Answer: the AMT kit is just a re-boxing of the Lindberg kit. (That frankly surprised me: I always felt the latter company’s kits were inferior in fidelity, accuracy, and quality overall.)
Well, as you separate the contents of each kit maker’s box, I see a difference: the relatively slender area between the base of the windshield and the root of the hood looks different on each of the two kits. Also, you noted that the windshield wipers are different.
Next, I have a few questions the answers to which can give us something to learn out of all this, which can make this exercise worthwhile: why? And how? That is, why would two kits of the same mold have a difference in their respective largest part? Who would go to all that expense, effort, and trouble, and how would one proceed? To what purpose?
That's a nice comparison Matt, a kit from KB Toys!! its been a long time since I have seen a KB toys. Since I have gotten back into building I noticed had some of the newer kits are using the old molds in the manufacturering and made changes in type of plastics and box art. Thanks for sharing Matt
Good video. Good information. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Womp womp womp lol. Hey, great video even if it’s the same kit. After seeing it, I think I’m gonna pick one up.
Lol
Well, now we know they are the same kit. If you had not broken the seal on the Lindberg kit, we would not know. Now, you can build one of them. It will give you another chance to use some MCW paints.
and found out the lower cowl rounding issue with early Lindberg which I now hafta check out mine! Likely have it too as it was an early TRU buy.
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Matthew, Good Video, I gotta weird question, Would the AMT 64 SS Impalala Custom parts fit on the AMT 61 SS Impala, just Custom Parts, Like the Hood or Custom grill?
Odd round 2 did not release it as Lindburg. They bought the molds, box art, and the Lindburg name so it confuses me as to why they would release it as AMT. Great vids by the way.
Jim
The reasoning that I can think of for Round2 to do it is that AMT, at least globally afaik is a much more widely known and recognizable IP/brand/whatever one wants to call it than Lindberg in the catalogue of stuff they own. Plus it's one of the more reputable ones as well, compared to say MPC (warranted or not). So I think from a marketing and ROI point, releasing the kit under a known brand makes more sense than under a brand they'd have to spend resources building up to a point where potential customers won't pass over it because they're not familiar with the name on the box. Judging from the comments this isn't nearly the first Lindberg kit Round2 has re-released as an AMT.
Though Round2 should in my view be more up front about where the plastic in the box originated from. The print doesn't cost that much more compared to how many older modelers will snap them up as soon as they find out "Oh it's that kit" without having to resort to the internet.
Thanks Jim!
Why the change is company names is beyond me. But considering they only have to change a couple of things to call it their own, I guess it's ok.
What I will say is Jay Leno is right. All of us are just custodians of anything we have. All of us.
I would say the percentage of the "original", unrestored cars in his collect is extremely small, you might find solace in the fact. Even a kit that has been started but is complete is still of value from a custodians viewpoint.
The comparison actually turned out pretty interesting to see the difference between then and now.... and no I don't think that they should flip through the whole instruction manual it's not helping us viewers because half the time their speeding through it anyways !
Check out the chrome. There are no mag wheels in the Lindberg kit.
Ndb
holly I felt the ground shake and a loud Bag when you cut the plastic off the Lindberg , Nice review don't open any more of your kits , you wont sleep right for a week now just go on being the custodian of the kits you have and you will feel better.
I dont mind if they switch brands. But they should add stuff make them worth getting.
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Your like me . I hate to open the boxes 😂. I eventually get around to it though. Good job Matt. Great video as always .👍😊
The cowl on the Lindberg kit is rounder then the amt. Hoods won't interchange.
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So build one!! It really is a great kit!!
It doesn’t matter which one! How about you build one, and your wife can build the other one! See who builds the best looking 61 Impala!!
The body should be slightly different. The original kit from Lindberg had the incorrect curve to the windshield and cowl panel
I know a lot about kits Matt. Anytime you have a question feel free to ask.
Thanks!!
Damn...that is disappointing and what a bummer. Now I feel bad about suggesting the comparison, sorry man. It is incredibly misleading to put the exact same kit out as something other than what it was, however the logic for Round2 to do it that I can come up with, is that from their catalogue of IPs, AMT to a wider audience is a much more recognizable franchise/brand than Lindberg, that also doesn't have a stink still attached to it like MPC does, warranted or not* Still doesn't make that kind of reboxing right in my book. I mean, I have an Italeri 1/48 Macchi MC.205 kit in my stash, where if one bothers to read the text on the box etc. it's obvious the plastic came from Japan (Hasegawa), but the decals are AFAIK different to all of the previous releases. So if one is going to do a rebox, then there should be something a little more than just a pair of slicks.
*It's not like AMT didn't have issues. I found an AMT/ERTL Bill Elliott Coors thunderbird kit from 1990 on sale that I bought for the engine and some other parts to use in another build and to make a nice curbside while I'm at it. Sealed original plastic, unopened, sprues and everything packed as they should be, decals in pristine condition. The body and clear stuff was good, but then there's a twisted clump of sprues in one of the bags and there's clear melt marks on the sprue that has the rollcage halves on it. So, I guess they got stuck in the packing machine or something and whoever packed the box ignored it. Fortunately the bits I wanted out of the kit are usable, but I have to say I was more than a little aggravated at enough being useless that it wasn't worth the effort to have to scratch build most of the remaining kit. Luckily I found another unopened 1990ish AMT/ERTL thunderbird with livery idgaf about for cheap, where everything else was good other than the clear parts, which are useless.
LOL, no worries!!
a good word ove advice.for what do I cut the plastic open.just at the bottom ove the box.and it still has the top wrapper on. it so I open the box to check the model car.
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Look on the bright side Matt the box art is different.
Want to compare the same car from different companies? Try the 67 charger
Well I knew the Color Me Gone was the same. But NOT this kit, seems AMT has upgraded wheels.
Yes they did.
Why not just cut the bottom off and leave the top intacted.
We can disagree right???
FREE THE SPRUES FROM THEIR SARCOPHAGI!
That's what new kits are for!
I just finished the AMT '61 Impala kit just about a week ago. I was looking at some model sites online just a day or so ago and someone had the Lindberg kit displayed there. I wondered at that time if it was the exact same kit as the AMT issue or not. Here tonight, I noticed your video and poof you answered that question for me. It's funny that here I was wondering about that and you put up a video on the very thing that I was just thinking about.... Sorry for your unboxing of the Lindberg kit though. It's still worth keeping for the future even though the plastic has been cut. Keep up the good work.
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Hey Mathew, thanks for the comparison. You pointed out a couple things different between the two. The differences between them, are in my opinion the efforts, adjustments and improvements made by the next owners of the molds, the right to rebrand them. One thing you noticed but didn't catch was on the chrome tree. The sprue bar at the bumpers, if you look closely the detail in the front bumper and grill is different and in my opinion better on the AMT kit. I don't think this rebranding is meant to be deceptive, but rather to bring attention to improvements or changes to the molds/kits after acquisition. Therefore I'm good with it!
Tempted to get one (riiiiight! 😉😆😂) of these and turn it into an evil looking street machine....😎
Times like this Scalemates is invaluable!
I buy kits for what is in the box, not what is on the box.
Hi Matt, built the Lindberg version not too long ago and unfortunately the decals was not good to work with. Had some issues with some emblems... too old I guess.
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I have both models. I bought the Lindberg impala today because I never built a Lindberg kit. I was wondering about Lindberg instructions. I must say I haven't built two models the same.
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@Model Car Videos moebius is probably my favorite so far.
Matt everyone knows it's the same kit. 🤣🤣🤣 I honestly don't mind the reissues. It's not really misleading. Technically they bought Lindberg so they can do whatever they like.
True!!
Now you know why I quit buying all those kits tired of building the same old kit in a different box
I do not like the fact that the model companies change up the branding like they do. It can be confusing sometimes. It is done for marketing purposes & it seems to work out for them. You could have made a video asking the community if the kits were the same or not, I suppose.
Question for you - does the new kit have the Cragar mag wheels. The Lindberg kit doesn't.
Yes
@@modelcarvideos5829 So there's a difference!
How about pro streeting this kit with the AMT 67 Chevelle kit?
Would be cool!
There is a rare few of lindberg 61 Impalas that the hood was molded backwards.
That was the '67 Olds 442, not the Chevy.
Where is the other set of wheels in the AMT kit?
They were in there. I was just so disappointed I forgot to show them.
Matthew, I already knew that these two kits were the same because I already had the Lindberg kit and bought the AMT kit just to compare the two but I watched any way because I enjoy your videos.
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I know it's hard...but look at it this way...If you are monetized on UA-cam and getting paid per video view...you will actually make more money over time per video than the end value of the kit. Also, you are showing the world some model kit history.
True!
Okay the mags are not on the chrome tree but there are mags in the AMT kit.
Dude I would have never opened that kit 😆 Anyways, one thing I took away from this video is that Lindberg is the same as amt.i just got a Lindbergh Dodge color me fast at a local hobby shop and I had no idea these things were the same !!!
did the amt kit have custom wheels that are on the box art ?
Yes
In regards to the changes to the trees, it could be that the mold was repaired. Thus it is slightly different.
Why didn’t you make the last two cuts on the AMT box and just remove the bottom panel of plastic, like I do? I open all my kits, but keep the plastic on 5 sides to protect the box art. Obviously you can’t do that on the clamshell boxes like the Lindberg.
Please look at the body again. I think the cowl on the Lindberg is rounder than the AMT......🤔
Yeah, I spotted that too. The very first issues of the '61 kit had the rounder cowl. Lindberg stopped production of the kit and fixed the cowl. So he just opened a kit that's only real value was to some collector of flawed kits. I have an opened first issue 1969 Dodge Charger that has the chopped top that I am going to build using a spare body from one of my other kits. I may even chop the nose off of the body to build a '69 Charger 500 using the Daytona kit.
I definitely will!!
Where are the mags at?
They were there. I was just so disappointed that I forgot to mention them.
The differences between these 2 kits are very slight....
Who cares who made the mold. Round 2 is putting out kits to build. They could just call them R2 kits. If I liked the model I would buy it and build it.
The amt has a extra set of wheels
Seriously, I cant believe you did it
Me either
So.....What did you learn?
Keep them sealed!!
Debbie Downer moment.....but enjoy vid like always