Exactly! This is what I've noticed too. Many SJs are extremely hardworking, and I really envy their ability to work so steadily and diligently towards what they see is a better future for themselves and their loved ones.
@@ec8335 N’s in general are people who are intuitive and introverted. Introversion is largely biochemical - people who are introverted typically have a very low threshold at which neurons fire, which in turn translates both into a tendency to become easily overstimulated and a tendency to create new neural configurations more quickly. Recent work in understanding brain structure shows that neural circuits create what amount to fractal patterns of varying degrees of complexity. At the upper end, this can be thought of as being “11-dimensional” though that’s primarily a way of different types of network structures - it is still three dimensional, but it exhibits levels of abstraction that you’d expect to see in something like one of those Mandelbrot screen savers that were so popular a few years back. These are consistently changing and reconfiguring as we think, at around thirty times a second. If you have a higher sensitivity, it means that you end up creating more complex, higher dimensional structures at a rate of thirty Herz, which correlates directly with the ability to form abstractions - what can be thought of as castles in the mind’s sky. However, this also tends to mean that more of that person’s physical energy is going towards keeping those abstractions from crashing down, and that in turn draws energy away from external stimulae. In effect, an INXX tunes out things like time-keeping, awareness of what’s in front of them, eating and so forth. This includes that part of the brain that is responsible for awareness of self. They are more effective at whatever they are doing, but are usually the last to know that the house is on fire. Another way of thinking about this is that most people have a single dominant personality (their conciousness). The intuitive, on the other hand, often has a suite of personalities, and can tailor those personalities dynamically. This especially comes into play with INFPs and Js, who tend to become writers and method actors disproportionately. The INFx personality is looking for patterns in people, and they often very observant in being able to then “get in other people’s heads” through mimicry and mirroring functions, though the more intuitive ones are also likely to spend a great deal of time “world-building”. INTs are also generally system thinkers, who can keep a number of complex systems working in their head simultaneously. These people are “smart” in that they can look at problems from many different angles, and can usually see patterns because they think both abstractly and metaphorically. INTJs often tend to be involved with code of various sorts, and usually have very good memory and a bias towards reductionism - reducing a complex system to its pieces. INTPs, on the other hand, may have “terrible” memory, largely because their world view is much more synthetic and relational, but that “poor memory” actually disguises the fact that they know a prodigious amount about damn near everything, and they have to develop their own indexing mechanisms to find it. INTJs like working within systems, INTPs like building systems. This is actually a pretty good indication of the distinction between J and P attributes. Js are very good at sorting things into categories quickly - given a set of rules for sorting things, Js can organize by need, requirements, functions, cost or any other set of criteria. They often have an excellent memory for faces, and love puzzles that require them to develop solutions. P’s on the other hand are often more fascinated by the rules themselves, and are much more inclined to play “what if”. They are attracted to language, metaphor, and the nature of patterns. The are more likely to be analysts, mathematicians, ontologists, scientists and so forth, people who ask “why” rather than “how” - and all of this is very much a function of the fractal foaminess of their brains. So given this, it also gives an indication of why extroverts are probably less likely to appear “smart”. Again, this goes back to how often neurons fire (and actually is affected by things such as the myelin sheathing around nerves, which tends to be thicker in extroverts). Dopamine is a particular neurotransmitter that is part of the biochemistry of the brain, and is related to epinephrine, also known as adrenaline. Extroverts need more of either dopamine or adrenaline to stimulate neural activation, which results in somewhat lower dimensional neural structures forming or breaking apart. This means that the brain is using less energy, but this also means that there is more energy available for sensory activity - observing, feeling textures, increased kinesthetics and so forth. Their sense of external awareness is much higher, and they are more likely to seek out activities that will pump endorphines like adrenaline and dopamine into their system - as well as more likely to focus on sex and social interaction. They have a greater sense of egotism as well. Taken to extremes, extroversion can manifest as narcissism and poor self-reflection. The extrovert personality is usually much more aware of social rules and constructs, and especially with the J component, can become dogmatic, but also can excel in areas where orthodoxy - clear rules or categorizations, tend to apply. Just as IN personalities tend to cluster, so do ES ones (an IS is usually an ES who suffers from anxiety, while an EN is usually an IN who conquered the sometimes crippling insecurity that most young INs face early). Indeed, certain variants of the MBTI now include another asset called assertiveness that provides a gauge of how likely a person is to be proactive in a group. This has the additional benefit of moving the MBTI model to the same number of attributes as the Big Five used by most modern psychologists and psychotherapists, though there is still some minor disagreement about what is being measured. The irony of all this is that the most financially successful of the categorizations cluster in the ES range. When the rules are known, confidence can be more compelling than actual competence. Extroverted sensors are more likely to go with their gut rather than slow, thoughtful analysis, but this usually also means that while the introverted analyst will often make the better decision, the extrovert will make three or four in the same time that serve primarily to reduce uncertainty, even if they are ultimately poor decisions. Put another way, each personality has its strengths and its weaknesses, optimizing on certain facets at the expense of others. The MBTI has some limitations. I think that intuitiveness and introversion are fairly tightly coupled, as an example, which is a bad thing in a psychological model. Yet for all of that, I think the upshot of this is that if you think of intelligence as being how your personality is optimized rather than as a single static number, it can give you a much better definition of true intelligence than any one particular facet.
I think Si plans against the future in orde to keep the possibilities open for the future. - The Ni types have 1 specific future they (Ni) want, yet in the moment they improvise themselves to that goal, but without too much clear structure (Se) - Ne types want an open ended future (Ne) where as much options are possible, and in order to keep the future open of possibilites, they now act ordely in order to achieve it. A good example is health. A lot of Si types eat healthy, structured and balanced, because they do not want future with limits caused by health issues.
It's seems a better way to categorize "future" planners would be to simply looked at the J vs P party of the typings. J's will have Ni or Si in there Dom/Aux spot, where P's will have Ne or Se in the Dom/Aux spot. Ni and Si will both think about the future, plan for it in their own way, and then work towards it. If something fails they may view as their own failure to prepare/predict the outcome correctly. Then to try and plan again they will consider their past "mistakes" to shift the way they plan going forward. Ne and Se will both consider the future but not dwell on it, as they're be aware that anything can happen and that you can't really control it, so they more so go with the flow and adapt as things happen. They can plan for the future, but it doesn't come as naturally to them and then if things fail they're more likely to say "told you so, that's why I don't plan..."
This is why the more full of experiences our Si is (despite the position in the main stack) the more accurately predicted the future can be. Si is a great toolset even for Ne doms. It is like even if Ne possibilities are multiple, a well rounded and experienced Si wins the game, despite the scattered tendencies of Ne.
Thanks for explaining this so well. I find it frustrating that so many in the type community seem to think that the ability to think about and make plans for the future is exclusive to Ni or just N types in general. I'm not sure how this misconception came about, and how it became so prevalent -- I'm puzzled by it. Personally, I know so many SJs who are **always** planning for the future. In fact I know many SJs who can't seem to enjoy the present because they're always so future-focused -- focused on making sure that they're prepared for whatever might happen, and on trying to make sure that the bad things that could happen (as far as they can see) don't happen. "Saving for a rainy day" is probably a very SJ mentality -- and that kind of mentality definitely requires thinking and planning towards future. Much of what they do in the present is done so that they can have a better or more secure life later on. I therefore see many SJs as extremely future-focused people. However, they're future-focused in a different way than NJs are. As you say, Si's tendency is to plan **against** all the bad future possibilities rather than to plan towards that one vision that they want to actualize.
Yes, siti ~ni normal plan, si feti ne (50%) (one possible future) but we’re not gods, entp me 3 possible future ~ one sure happened, but ni vision obviously happened
Samuel from Joyce’s channel talked about this element of Si preparation in the recent “all SJ types” panel, and I was super impressed. Planning “against” the future is such a great way to describe this!
I tend to plan for the future far away, but not really for the near future as an INFP. It doesn't really make sense, I know, but I don't like the too exact order in my everyday life... My Si makes me aware of all the worst things which can happen, but also distract for the possibilities. I want to know how to develop my Ne, it is going to be a huge project for me, but I want to experience that.
I had not tought about it before, but Se doms really do tend to focus on one thing they worry about or dislike, with intensity, rather than the longer/wider path. I am an Ni dom so I like to course correct, but Se go for the overkill no matter how trivial the detail they indentified as a problem, is.
What confuses me sometimes is the terminology of "planning". Personally I've never seen myself as a huge planner. I don't necessarily lay out my plans (especially not shorter term ones, like monthly budget or upcoming events) on paper or in a calendar. I generally tend to have that stuff present as a vague feeling in my mind, events looming that I know I'll have to focus on when the time comes. So I don't do much explicit prior deliberation. I certainly ruminate over events that I know will be important or challenging, but again, this comes as a mix of imaginations and specific thoughts. Not so much explicit structuring of what will happen in a chronological way, which "planning" seems to imply. But I realized that by "planning", what people in this sphere tend to mean is not necessarily prior deliberation, but actually consistently working towards achieving something. This video here was especially clear on that point. The Si doms work to prevent something (many possibilities) from happening, Ni doms work to make something (one possibility) happen. With this being so, I am more confident in my typing as an Ni dom since yes, I have a long-range vision that I set and work towards. Still: Prior deliberation != goal-directed work. The two can both go under the label 'planning' but they involve completely distinct processes. In general there are many ambiguities like that one in the world of typology, which detracts from it and causes confusion.
Lol, I'm playing Wrath of the Righteous on one monitor with this video playing on the second, and Regill appears on screen, left me very confused. Good insight on his planning methods.
This is a great take! You explain it so well. I find I do the Si in conversation a lot; I'll decide to not say something because it would pull the other person's attention onto a topic I don't want to deal with. INFP, most likely.
I think (some) intuitive types are in general better equiped to deal with uncertainty and that includes the future. Sensors are better than intuitives when things are more stable or you can go through them with effort.
Hmm, if Si tends to lean towards stability then I wonder if having Ni makes me appear "glass cannon-like" to those not as intimately acquainted with the cognition? At least from a gaming perspective I tend to see this as a common response from other cognitives that prioritize some level of durability (likely those with higher Si) over objectivity (situational) when making future decisions.
So, what you're ultimately saying is, the reason I don't use all these protection spells and contingencies in Wrath of the Righteous is because of Ni dominance. Got it. And I thought it was because I was just terrible at the game.
I feel that on a spiritual level haha. It's the same reason I can't play the witcher very well. Its all about the Si "Prep" for fighting monsters which really just bores me compared to every other aspect.
@@AsuraPsych Honestly. I get the systems and how they work, but I prefer to focus on being the best X and adapting to enemies as they go. But in these types of games, you're supposed to just put on a ton of buffs any random enemy might use. It's why I prefer grand strategy games as a whole. I can adapt to situations as they happen, but can mostly focus on self-development.
What about traditional types of games (chess, tabletops...) that require strategic foreplanning and elimination of undesired results? I'm awfully bad at all of those (INFJ).
@@timefortee i’m very good at chess or Chinese chess or weichi even though i’m infp 🙃 my brain is energized on this kind of games but i’m more interested in human soul or heart. Understanding every thing Finding my core value ; why I am here Dreaming of Imagingtuve wonderful world But ....... 🙊😕 End up with 👽
This reminds me of a college history midterm final I had to take. We were given 5 essay topics to study of which 2 would be given from which 1 was to be chosen as the exam question. . I didn’t have the time/energy to study for all of them so I picked one and hoped it would be one of the two choices given. No such luck. I just handed the test back and told the teacher I would drop the class. (ISTP) Ni
@@wegotonelove Ne wants to understand from the root of causes to look for solutions by questioning why/how so I never have seen Ne dominated people falling into cult or something completely nonsensed conspiracy even though they are interested in. Se dominated people tend to create drama in the society by their loud voices and their thought process is primitive based on human instinct. Multidimensional thinkers VS one dimensional thinkers Ps; Ne processes Se to understand as calm watchers but Se react to whatever while emotionally and mentally stirred as activists to achieve what they believe!
@@Ella-qg4bq hm yeah.. I think Ni dominants are more likely fall into it. Ni users in general. Ne doms can be conspiracy theorists though, it's a cool job for them. Se types are still a mystery to me, the variation which they can show up in. Ne types are so cool! I absolutely love them 😂 best people to have come into my life. I naturally see patterns though, so I already have an idea of Ne types before Mbti. The rest was revealed to me after. Just thought there were more open minded, funny, and cool people vs everyone else 😂. Se isn't primal mindset though. I agree with the rest you said about Se though. We are loud and do like to create chaos and change things.
@@wegotonelove ua-cam.com/video/I7ynijcZl7Q/v-deo.html Elon musk is pushing the boundaries to question on That’s an excellent example of Ne guided by intuition and also another silly example 🙃 ua-cam.com/video/K-PdbfkA7LM/v-deo.html VS Se react quicky to external stimuli not necessary to process it but more likely instinctively respond to it. I feel that sensory dominated usually care about the well they physically live in but have no curiosity outside of the well like a frog in the well. Intuitive dominated push the boundaries or dig into the depth by endless questions with curiosity through their soul, mind and heart I don’t care about where elon musk is INTJ or INTP THAT’s not my point here 😅
@@wegotonelove dictionary Definition of conspiracy ; a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful The action of plotting VS freedom of speech Anything against official narratives is automatically considered as conspiracy so cutting off whatever before further research or own self study No ability to filter out information This world only exist as black and white A big example KKK in the history ( how many true wise and intelligent people engaged in this savage group? I guess none Conspiracy or freedom of speech Idiots hold mic so loudly for their ridiculous ideology made by idiots considered as freedom since this idiots are not threatening???? so they were allowed until too violent for society It never called them conspiracists When Wise and intelligent speak up in peace but it automatically considered as conspiracy @@ ua-cam.com/video/6O4_--OIL3I/v-deo.html Super logical for sure@@ Just stop here Ps; mutil dimensional thinkers are able to connect dots One dimensional thinkers are able to pass ONE information in and out as programmed I love wise and intelligent people regardless of personality for sure Absolutely some sensors are brilliantly bright without doubt but even though some limitation to communicate all over the board
6:05 I think (key word THINK) that this is more for the ESTP than the ESFP, at least as far as the global society conspiracy theories. Our lack of Fe and Ne use means we don’t get all that concerned with those types of things. At least that’s my outlook on it. The ESFP is more likely to fall into the trap of thinking we are victims to the plans of others, which is a bit of a different version of conspiracy. Maybe I’m being pedantic?
The Si way of doing things is new to me. I gained a new perspective and at the same time I can’t help but think of all that energy / time being somewhat wasted. I mean if the unwanted variable was to close for comfort then I’d give it attention. Mmhmmm 🧐 Also I like how thorough an STJ is 💕
Being an INFP, I sometimes wish my Ne was more suppressed. I tend to imagine all the possible negative future outcomes and since I can't prepare for everything, I often end up doing nothing. Analysis paralysis is a real problem.
I've noticed this happens when you don't intentionally do activities to engage your Ne. It then starts working primarily with Si, which are your memories and stored impressions. In short it starts working negatively. Hence, you've got to actively do things that need lots of Ne. You will then store new impressions that will reduce the negative thinking from the old Si stored impressions.
The analysis paralysis may be caused by PoLR Se. Se often makes a peson just act even if there is uncertainty. Si makes a person want to act if the cycle of how things typically go is clear and more certain. So Si is mostly useful for predictable things. Se is most useful for unpedictable things. If Se is used for predictable things, it will needlessly use too much energy/time/resources because it constantly just improvises even when with experience this is a waste of resources, while when things need improvisation, then Si is kinda too slow and careful while improvisation requires more less need for certainty (that Si wants)
I wonder if this is a corollary to the Si planning mentioned in this video: that they tend to deliberately deny some of their backdoors or even contingencies they've made themselves, perhaps to an extent of self-harming, just to make sure that, in situations where they need to go down one path, they will be fully devoted to it and, like said in the video, eliminate the other possibilities.
Makes sense. Ne dom. Wow look at all this nice paths why not just try them all out and pick the best one. Ni. Look at that one nice path I know it's the right one lemme put all my resources here. Si. Oh no, so many paths, if I shadeout all the ones I know are wrong I'll be able to go down the right one. Se. Oh! That is one bad path right there how do I prevent it
So for example, someone wants to become let's say a model They want to become a model and they are doing everything they possibly can to achieve that goal. This is Ni path right?
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning. My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).
It is a waste of time obsessing too much about the other negative outcomes, I would rather manipulate or let someone deal with those whilst I focus on my one specific goal.
Truly insightful, although we can't know the degree to which each of those is accurate. A question: if one is to assume that the governing body of any given country is composed of ISTJs and ESTPs (predominantly, let's say) and given that they are morally corrupt, would that not spell catastrophe for the governed???
And fear to lose their material stuff or the more possess the better the physical comfortable life. Their Future plans are related to this!!!! No value on nothing else. This kind of mindset to INxx types Life is worse than hell Why i’m here Wrong place Let me go Lol
Not really. Stubborn about their own views describes them better. That Inferior Te and super low Ti really hurts I guess. At least they are super self-aware and know what they don't want.
In terms of putting themselves first, all humans are biologically wired to be selfish by nature but in terms of narcissism and fucking people over that's mainly nurture and isn't attributed to any specific mbti type. All types can be assholes. sometimes you get Jesus and sometimes you get Hitler.
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning. My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning. My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).
This explains why so many SJs are good at achieving a comfortable retirement.
Exactly! This is what I've noticed too. Many SJs are extremely hardworking, and I really envy their ability to work so steadily and diligently towards what they see is a better future for themselves and their loved ones.
@@ec8335 N’s in general are people who are intuitive and introverted. Introversion is largely biochemical - people who are introverted typically have a very low threshold at which neurons fire, which in turn translates both into a tendency to become easily overstimulated and a tendency to create new neural configurations more quickly.
Recent work in understanding brain structure shows that neural circuits create what amount to fractal patterns of varying degrees of complexity. At the upper end, this can be thought of as being “11-dimensional” though that’s primarily a way of different types of network structures - it is still three dimensional, but it exhibits levels of abstraction that you’d expect to see in something like one of those Mandelbrot screen savers that were so popular a few years back.
These are consistently changing and reconfiguring as we think, at around thirty times a second. If you have a higher sensitivity, it means that you end up creating more complex, higher dimensional structures at a rate of thirty Herz, which correlates directly with the ability to form abstractions - what can be thought of as castles in the mind’s sky. However, this also tends to mean that more of that person’s physical energy is going towards keeping those abstractions from crashing down, and that in turn draws energy away from external stimulae. In effect, an INXX tunes out things like time-keeping, awareness of what’s in front of them, eating and so forth. This includes that part of the brain that is responsible for awareness of self. They are more effective at whatever they are doing, but are usually the last to know that the house is on fire.
Another way of thinking about this is that most people have a single dominant personality (their conciousness). The intuitive, on the other hand, often has a suite of personalities, and can tailor those personalities dynamically. This especially comes into play with INFPs and Js, who tend to become writers and method actors disproportionately. The INFx personality is looking for patterns in people, and they often very observant in being able to then “get in other people’s heads” through mimicry and mirroring functions, though the more intuitive ones are also likely to spend a great deal of time “world-building”.
INTs are also generally system thinkers, who can keep a number of complex systems working in their head simultaneously. These people are “smart” in that they can look at problems from many different angles, and can usually see patterns because they think both abstractly and metaphorically. INTJs often tend to be involved with code of various sorts, and usually have very good memory and a bias towards reductionism - reducing a complex system to its pieces. INTPs, on the other hand, may have “terrible” memory, largely because their world view is much more synthetic and relational, but that “poor memory” actually disguises the fact that they know a prodigious amount about damn near everything, and they have to develop their own indexing mechanisms to find it. INTJs like working within systems, INTPs like building systems.
This is actually a pretty good indication of the distinction between J and P attributes. Js are very good at sorting things into categories quickly - given a set of rules for sorting things, Js can organize by need, requirements, functions, cost or any other set of criteria. They often have an excellent memory for faces, and love puzzles that require them to develop solutions. P’s on the other hand are often more fascinated by the rules themselves, and are much more inclined to play “what if”. They are attracted to language, metaphor, and the nature of patterns. The are more likely to be analysts, mathematicians, ontologists, scientists and so forth, people who ask “why” rather than “how” - and all of this is very much a function of the fractal foaminess of their brains.
So given this, it also gives an indication of why extroverts are probably less likely to appear “smart”. Again, this goes back to how often neurons fire (and actually is affected by things such as the myelin sheathing around nerves, which tends to be thicker in extroverts). Dopamine is a particular neurotransmitter that is part of the biochemistry of the brain, and is related to epinephrine, also known as adrenaline.
Extroverts need more of either dopamine or adrenaline to stimulate neural activation, which results in somewhat lower dimensional neural structures forming or breaking apart. This means that the brain is using less energy, but this also means that there is more energy available for sensory activity - observing, feeling textures, increased kinesthetics and so forth. Their sense of external awareness is much higher, and they are more likely to seek out activities that will pump endorphines like adrenaline and dopamine into their system - as well as more likely to focus on sex and social interaction. They have a greater sense of egotism as well. Taken to extremes, extroversion can manifest as narcissism and poor self-reflection.
The extrovert personality is usually much more aware of social rules and constructs, and especially with the J component, can become dogmatic, but also can excel in areas where orthodoxy - clear rules or categorizations, tend to apply. Just as IN personalities tend to cluster, so do ES ones (an IS is usually an ES who suffers from anxiety, while an EN is usually an IN who conquered the sometimes crippling insecurity that most young INs face early). Indeed, certain variants of the MBTI now include another asset called assertiveness that provides a gauge of how likely a person is to be proactive in a group. This has the additional benefit of moving the MBTI model to the same number of attributes as the Big Five used by most modern psychologists and psychotherapists, though there is still some minor disagreement about what is being measured.
The irony of all this is that the most financially successful of the categorizations cluster in the ES range. When the rules are known, confidence can be more compelling than actual competence. Extroverted sensors are more likely to go with their gut rather than slow, thoughtful analysis, but this usually also means that while the introverted analyst will often make the better decision, the extrovert will make three or four in the same time that serve primarily to reduce uncertainty, even if they are ultimately poor decisions.
Put another way, each personality has its strengths and its weaknesses, optimizing on certain facets at the expense of others. The MBTI has some limitations. I think that intuitiveness and introversion are fairly tightly coupled, as an example, which is a bad thing in a psychological model. Yet for all of that, I think the upshot of this is that if you think of intelligence as being how your personality is optimized rather than as a single static number, it can give you a much better definition of true intelligence than any one particular facet.
@@ec8335 someone wrote above on quota digest
I just want to bring up IN mystery on the table.
@@Ella-qg4bq you are 100% INXP 😂
@@Ella-qg4bq Exactly. The last part, yeah. Intuition seems to be tightly coupled with Introversion.
ISTJ here. This is perhaps the most on-point breakdown of ISTJ vs. INTJ I've ever come across on UA-cam.
I think Si plans against the future in orde to keep the possibilities open for the future.
- The Ni types have 1 specific future they (Ni) want, yet in the moment they improvise themselves to that goal, but without too much clear structure (Se)
- Ne types want an open ended future (Ne) where as much options are possible, and in order to keep the future open of possibilites, they now act ordely in order to achieve it. A good example is health. A lot of Si types eat healthy, structured and balanced, because they do not want future with limits caused by health issues.
It's seems a better way to categorize "future" planners would be to simply looked at the J vs P party of the typings. J's will have Ni or Si in there Dom/Aux spot, where P's will have Ne or Se in the Dom/Aux spot.
Ni and Si will both think about the future, plan for it in their own way, and then work towards it. If something fails they may view as their own failure to prepare/predict the outcome correctly. Then to try and plan again they will consider their past "mistakes" to shift the way they plan going forward.
Ne and Se will both consider the future but not dwell on it, as they're be aware that anything can happen and that you can't really control it, so they more so go with the flow and adapt as things happen. They can plan for the future, but it doesn't come as naturally to them and then if things fail they're more likely to say "told you so, that's why I don't plan..."
This is why the more full of experiences our Si is (despite the position in the main stack) the more accurately predicted the future can be. Si is a great toolset even for Ne doms. It is like even if Ne possibilities are multiple, a well rounded and experienced Si wins the game, despite the scattered tendencies of Ne.
Thanks for explaining this so well. I find it frustrating that so many in the type community seem to think that the ability to think about and make plans for the future is exclusive to Ni or just N types in general. I'm not sure how this misconception came about, and how it became so prevalent -- I'm puzzled by it. Personally, I know so many SJs who are **always** planning for the future. In fact I know many SJs who can't seem to enjoy the present because they're always so future-focused -- focused on making sure that they're prepared for whatever might happen, and on trying to make sure that the bad things that could happen (as far as they can see) don't happen. "Saving for a rainy day" is probably a very SJ mentality -- and that kind of mentality definitely requires thinking and planning towards future. Much of what they do in the present is done so that they can have a better or more secure life later on. I therefore see many SJs as extremely future-focused people. However, they're future-focused in a different way than NJs are. As you say, Si's tendency is to plan **against** all the bad future possibilities rather than to plan towards that one vision that they want to actualize.
Yes, siti ~ni normal plan, si feti ne (50%) (one possible future) but we’re not gods, entp me 3 possible future ~ one sure happened, but ni vision obviously happened
Samuel from Joyce’s channel talked about this element of Si preparation in the recent “all SJ types” panel, and I was super impressed. Planning “against” the future is such a great way to describe this!
Outstanding content dude. Never considered this at all before. High level content here
I tend to plan for the future far away, but not really for the near future as an INFP. It doesn't really make sense, I know, but I don't like the too exact order in my everyday life... My Si makes me aware of all the worst things which can happen, but also distract for the possibilities. I want to know how to develop my Ne, it is going to be a huge project for me, but I want to experience that.
Very helpful distinctions. I have been unable to wrap my head around the Si-Ne axis, but this vid cleared it up. Thanks.
totally enlighting !!!!! BRAVO for your explaination about difference between Ni/Si , It s a complete new perspective into the approach of futur
Was really waiting for content simping for Si.
Beautiful explanations. Thanks for this.
INTJ here. Great video. I see a direct link to growth mentality vs fixed mentality here. Food for thought 🙂
Man this was truly a perfect explanation on this two functions.
I had not tought about it before, but Se doms really do tend to focus on one thing they worry about or dislike, with intensity, rather than the longer/wider path. I am an Ni dom so I like to course correct, but Se go for the overkill no matter how trivial the detail they indentified as a problem, is.
What confuses me sometimes is the terminology of "planning". Personally I've never seen myself as a huge planner. I don't necessarily lay out my plans (especially not shorter term ones, like monthly budget or upcoming events) on paper or in a calendar. I generally tend to have that stuff present as a vague feeling in my mind, events looming that I know I'll have to focus on when the time comes. So I don't do much explicit prior deliberation.
I certainly ruminate over events that I know will be important or challenging, but again, this comes as a mix of imaginations and specific thoughts. Not so much explicit structuring of what will happen in a chronological way, which "planning" seems to imply.
But I realized that by "planning", what people in this sphere tend to mean is not necessarily prior deliberation, but actually consistently working towards achieving something. This video here was especially clear on that point. The Si doms work to prevent something (many possibilities) from happening, Ni doms work to make something (one possibility) happen.
With this being so, I am more confident in my typing as an Ni dom since yes, I have a long-range vision that I set and work towards.
Still: Prior deliberation != goal-directed work. The two can both go under the label 'planning' but they involve completely distinct processes. In general there are many ambiguities like that one in the world of typology, which detracts from it and causes confusion.
Lol, I'm playing Wrath of the Righteous on one monitor with this video playing on the second, and Regill appears on screen, left me very confused. Good insight on his planning methods.
Was thinking about this topic a lot lately. Thank you for uploading this video. ❤
This is a great take! You explain it so well.
I find I do the Si in conversation a lot; I'll decide to not say something because it would pull the other person's attention onto a topic I don't want to deal with.
INFP, most likely.
I think (some) intuitive types are in general better equiped to deal with uncertainty and that includes the future. Sensors are better than intuitives when things are more stable or you can go through them with effort.
That's such an interesting take on Si - with corresponding Ne in the lower stack
Hmm, if Si tends to lean towards stability then I wonder if having Ni makes me appear "glass cannon-like" to those not as intimately acquainted with the cognition? At least from a gaming perspective I tend to see this as a common response from other cognitives that prioritize some level of durability (likely those with higher Si) over objectivity (situational) when making future decisions.
So, what you're ultimately saying is, the reason I don't use all these protection spells and contingencies in Wrath of the Righteous is because of Ni dominance. Got it. And I thought it was because I was just terrible at the game.
I feel that on a spiritual level haha. It's the same reason I can't play the witcher very well. Its all about the Si "Prep" for fighting monsters which really just bores me compared to every other aspect.
@@AsuraPsych Honestly. I get the systems and how they work, but I prefer to focus on being the best X and adapting to enemies as they go. But in these types of games, you're supposed to just put on a ton of buffs any random enemy might use. It's why I prefer grand strategy games as a whole. I can adapt to situations as they happen, but can mostly focus on self-development.
What about traditional types of games (chess, tabletops...) that require strategic foreplanning and elimination of undesired results? I'm awfully bad at all of those (INFJ).
@@AsuraPsych right? Geralt is a great istj example
@@timefortee i’m very good at chess or Chinese chess or weichi even though i’m infp 🙃 my brain is energized on this kind of games but i’m more interested in human soul or heart.
Understanding every thing
Finding my core value ; why I am here
Dreaming of Imagingtuve wonderful world
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Wow, a fascinating dissection of the SE dominant/NI repressed in light of the anti-vax movements! Thanks so much!
You are very good at this!
This makes a lot of sense
This reminds me of a college history midterm final I had to take. We were given 5 essay topics to study of which 2 would be given from which 1 was to be chosen as the exam question. . I didn’t have the time/energy to study for all of them so I picked one and hoped it would be one of the two choices given. No such luck. I just handed the test back and told the teacher I would drop the class. (ISTP) Ni
Wow I relate so much to both Ne and Se doms (repressed Si, Ni)
@An Meme lol exactly 😂
@@wegotonelove Ne wants to understand from the root of causes to look for solutions by questioning why/how so I never have seen Ne dominated people falling into cult or something completely nonsensed conspiracy even though they are interested in. Se dominated people tend to create drama in the society by their loud voices and their thought process is primitive based on human instinct.
Multidimensional thinkers VS one dimensional thinkers
Ps; Ne processes Se to understand as calm watchers but Se react to whatever while emotionally and mentally stirred as activists to achieve what they believe!
@@Ella-qg4bq hm yeah.. I think Ni dominants are more likely fall into it. Ni users in general. Ne doms can be conspiracy theorists though, it's a cool job for them. Se types are still a mystery to me, the variation which they can show up in. Ne types are so cool! I absolutely love them 😂 best people to have come into my life. I naturally see patterns though, so I already have an idea of Ne types before Mbti. The rest was revealed to me after. Just thought there were more open minded, funny, and cool people vs everyone else 😂. Se isn't primal mindset though. I agree with the rest you said about Se though. We are loud and do like to create chaos and change things.
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Elon musk is pushing the boundaries to question on
That’s an excellent example of Ne guided by intuition and also another silly example 🙃
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VS Se react quicky to external stimuli not necessary to process it but more likely instinctively respond to it.
I feel that sensory dominated usually care about the well they physically live in but have no curiosity outside of the well like a frog in the well.
Intuitive dominated push the boundaries or dig into the depth by endless questions with curiosity through their soul, mind and heart
I don’t care about where elon musk is INTJ or INTP
THAT’s not my point here 😅
@@wegotonelove dictionary
Definition of conspiracy
; a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
The action of plotting
VS freedom of speech
Anything against official narratives is automatically considered as conspiracy so cutting off whatever before further research or own self study
No ability to filter out information
This world only exist as black and white
A big example
KKK in the history ( how many true wise and intelligent people engaged in this savage group? I guess none
Conspiracy or freedom of speech
Idiots hold mic so loudly for their ridiculous ideology made by idiots considered as freedom since this idiots are not threatening???? so they were allowed until too violent for society
It never called them conspiracists
When Wise and intelligent speak up in peace but it automatically considered as conspiracy @@
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Just stop here
Ps; mutil dimensional thinkers are able to connect dots
One dimensional thinkers are able to pass ONE information in and out as programmed
I love wise and intelligent people regardless of personality for sure
Absolutely some sensors are brilliantly bright without doubt but even though some limitation to communicate all over the board
6:05 I think (key word THINK) that this is more for the ESTP than the ESFP, at least as far as the global society conspiracy theories. Our lack of Fe and Ne use means we don’t get all that concerned with those types of things. At least that’s my outlook on it. The ESFP is more likely to fall into the trap of thinking we are victims to the plans of others, which is a bit of a different version of conspiracy. Maybe I’m being pedantic?
What an interesting depiction.
The Si way of doing things is new to me. I gained a new perspective and at the same time I can’t help but think of all that energy / time being somewhat wasted. I mean if the unwanted variable was to close for comfort then I’d give it attention. Mmhmmm 🧐
Also I like how thorough an STJ is 💕
Perfect video! :D
Being an INFP, I sometimes wish my Ne was more suppressed. I tend to imagine all the possible negative future outcomes and since I can't prepare for everything, I often end up doing nothing. Analysis paralysis is a real problem.
Don't blame Ne, it's only giving you what your psyche is otherwise preoccupied or traumatised with, if it's being paranoid.
I've noticed this happens when you don't intentionally do activities to engage your Ne. It then starts working primarily with Si, which are your memories and stored impressions. In short it starts working negatively. Hence, you've got to actively do things that need lots of Ne. You will then store new impressions that will reduce the negative thinking from the old Si stored impressions.
The analysis paralysis may be caused by PoLR Se. Se often makes a peson just act even if there is uncertainty. Si makes a person want to act if the cycle of how things typically go is clear and more certain. So Si is mostly useful for predictable things. Se is most useful for unpedictable things. If Se is used for predictable things, it will needlessly use too much energy/time/resources because it constantly just improvises even when with experience this is a waste of resources, while when things need improvisation, then Si is kinda too slow and careful while improvisation requires more less need for certainty (that Si wants)
Hi😊 Could you make a video about ni inferior in esfp’s and estp’s - and how to make it stronger/use it in a good way? Sorry a bit out of context😅
Very helpful🙏
I wonder if this is a corollary to the Si planning mentioned in this video: that they tend to deliberately deny some of their backdoors or even contingencies they've made themselves, perhaps to an extent of self-harming, just to make sure that, in situations where they need to go down one path, they will be fully devoted to it and, like said in the video, eliminate the other possibilities.
Do you plan to work further on your blog with the rpg class descriptions? I am eager to read about your estp ranger
Asura becoming more handsome.
Feel like being nice today.
Makes sense.
Ne dom. Wow look at all this nice paths why not just try them all out and pick the best one.
Ni. Look at that one nice path I know it's the right one lemme put all my resources here.
Si. Oh no, so many paths, if I shadeout all the ones I know are wrong I'll be able to go down the right one.
Se. Oh! That is one bad path right there how do I prevent it
That explains why the thoughts of failing an exam is such a poor motivation for me and not many others
Great video.
Hype about BBCF Rollback?
So for example, someone wants to become let's say a model
They want to become a model and they are doing everything they possibly can to achieve that goal.
This is Ni path right?
Si users tend to take preventative measures more than others.
What i know for sure, Se user tend to be shallow and good looking. Ne-si user tend to be more conservative, but quirky.
Interesting.
Ah that's interesting..
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning.
My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).
Intuition used Foresight.... The Future was revealed
More like AsuraScythed, what happened to your afro brain antennas?!
I'm so distracted by your short hair. I was used to the old look 😆
It is a waste of time obsessing too much about the other negative outcomes, I would rather manipulate or let someone deal with those whilst I focus on my one specific goal.
Truly insightful, although we can't know the degree to which each of those is accurate.
A question: if one is to assume that the governing body of any given country is composed of ISTJs and ESTPs (predominantly, let's say) and given that they are morally corrupt, would that not spell catastrophe for the governed???
Bro you are Ne. Why are you talking about introverted functions?
They are only planning for the future in the sense that they are trying to maintain the past.
That statement seems contradictory.
Exactly, they are conserving what they are comfortable with by avoiding future outcomes they are uncomfortable with.
@@drwizarrd4421 No, it makes sense and is perfectly logical.
And fear to lose their material stuff or the more possess the better the physical comfortable life. Their Future plans are related to this!!!!
No value on nothing else.
This kind of mindset to INxx types
Life is worse than hell
Why i’m here
Wrong place
Let me go
Lol
@@timefortee just 😊
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Are Fi Dom's selfish
Not really. Stubborn about their own views describes them better. That Inferior Te and super low Ti really hurts I guess.
At least they are super self-aware and know what they don't want.
In terms of putting themselves first, all humans are biologically wired to be selfish by nature but in terms of narcissism and fucking people over that's mainly nurture and isn't attributed to any specific mbti type. All types can be assholes. sometimes you get Jesus and sometimes you get Hitler.
@@Zevven Self-aware is a big word though. Only a few humans are self aware, look up Dabrowski's theory of 5 levels of development.
Yes, but more entitled than they are necessarily selfish.
Great hair cut lol, look much more masculine. And great video, thanks
i was kinda digging the afro not gonna lie.
Si=defensive Ni=offensive
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning.
My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).
This is pretty accurate. I have an istj husband and he pretty much did that. However, my istj tend to not like planning for far in the future, his most long planning range is only a week and always avoiding the conversation when it's about long term planning.
My istj is a traditional one, he live day by day, week by week, he doesnt have long term planning nor have every kind of amunition to prepare for any kind of "rainy day". Just a traditional men, living for here n now, simply n modestly (the istj way).