Keenan, I just have to say thank you! I'm a white belt and just won 2 fights today in an internal tournament at our school. Both by submission WITH THIS TECHNIQUE. Haters gonna hate - but this shit works. Especially making the pressure on the chin - people make space. They just do. This is a sneaky way of getting the choke, but hey, it works and is legal so let's all be grateful for Keenan showing this and not hate about his elbows!
Excellent, was having difficulty landing this choke in my last session. Small details like head to the mat, and isolating/distracting one arm are awesome. The leverage you apply also looks far less exhausting and forceful and more leverage based
Me too... I felt good about everything up till brining my left forearm into position. I forgot to sweep his face and put pressure on his jawline first before positioning onto the neck. I think I tried to rush the choke and lost it. Small details...., lol.
Need to try this out but one thing I can see already is that by not pulling on the collar with the first grip you don't create the problem for yourself of there being no slack on the other side so that you can't get your thumb in. The only problem I see for me is that my forearms are probably a good bit shorter than Keenan's so "rainbowing" around the head might not be so simple.
When getting his arm eliminated in the beginning to come around and put thumb in collar...would it be better to completely eliminat the arm by putting the same side knee on the bicep replacing the hand before completing the choke?
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does it matter what palm up / palm down grip you have on either hand? for example do you have to have the first hand palm up and the second hand palm down or can you do the opposite, both palms up or both palms down?
Don't get me wrong, my message isn't trying to discredit or bash you in any way, but I do want to ask where you learned that the conventional cross-collar choke is finished by pulling your elbows up and outwards? I've always been taught that you should !!!NEVER!!! (see how much emphasis I put on that? :D) do that with the cross-collar choke, be it from the top OR the bottom. I've been taught to rotate the wrists 90 degrees, putting much more pressure on his neck, and driving my elbows together (towards each other) and pulling them to my chest (pulling from the guard and dropping down from the top - for the balance and pressure aspect, as you said). Nothing against the way you said you prefer doing it - I was just baffled to see such a high level black belt teaching the "conventional/old school" way of the most basic choke with the biggest mistake (in my humble opinion). I do realise that you said exactly that the classical way isn't efficient and you don't like it, so you didn't actually encourage people to do it that way (rather the opposite, which is good), but still. I hope you get my point. Anyway, thanks for sharing and keep doing what you're doing.
+Fizzy HLTV You are describing two different chokes, he is showing a cross cut type of choke. I learned this in Judo/ju-jitsu years ago as a type of collar choke, not THE cross collar choke, but a cross collar choke. It was later shown to me (via the gracie intermediate tapes 1996?), as separate chokes as well. It is very similar but actually a different technique. The finishing pressure of any cross collar choke should come from two-way wrist movement, after all of the slack has been taken away in a similar fashion the choke he is showing (can't tell if he did) could use two-way action in the wrist, that would make the technique more efficient. ALL collar chokes benefit from two-way wrist action, its the "invisible jiu-jitsu," in the technique, it allows the cascades to be small and subtle till the end. Cause its the straw with minimal effort that finally breaks the camels back not the bricks. Another trick to try is try doing your palm-up with the thumb on the outside of the knuckles, it allows for a better connection without burning your grip out as fast, as well as making it harder to collapse the wrist and arm snaking in. If you see someone at his level doing something "wrong," most likely its just different, cause in the end he is very effective with the technique.
No, his technique is off is all. I learned it from Judo and I thought it was that way until I started to do BJJ in Gi and was taught how to do it correctly. All the variants of the cross choke whether it be nami, gyaku or kata juji jime all require the same finishing energy and is not dependent on massive amounts of strength as you are being led to believe.
This approach seems like a powerful option. The weakness in the technique, by the looks of it, is the moment where you have to post with your forehead to avoid a bridge sweep. The person attempting this choke should be confident in their ability to post with their head/neck. I would be careful using this approach against a bigger opponent.
This is good, but it’s a different choke. This is not blood so much as a treach choke. This is like the Helio choke, or a bread cutter choke from mount. Pedro Sauer shows this much better IMO.
I've used this 4 times successfully after watching this video last week. Love it!
Nice explanations, Keenan is quite a good teacher !
Jiu-Jitsu is amazing, so many micro variation to do the same choke, it is almost limitless when it comes to execute a technique, I love it.
Keenan, I just have to say thank you! I'm a white belt and just won 2 fights today in an internal tournament at our school.
Both by submission WITH THIS TECHNIQUE.
Haters gonna hate - but this shit works.
Especially making the pressure on the chin - people make space. They just do. This is a sneaky way of getting the choke, but hey, it works and is legal so let's all be grateful for Keenan showing this and not hate about his elbows!
Roger Gracie has tapped a few people out with this technique at high level tournaments. Demonstrated brilliantly by Keenan 👍
He makes it seem so simple!
Great step by step, thanks!
Awesome impressive instruction. So concise and well spoken with all aspects.
What a great teacher Keenan is
love this choke!!!!
make sense..great details...thanks alot
Thank you
Great technique! Awesome!
That's damn cool. Can't wait to use it. Thanks :)
Roger Gracie 101
Loool, looking at the "*most replayed" bar on the timeline of the video, everyone wanted to see Josh cough
very great!!!!!!!
Excellent, was having difficulty landing this choke in my last session. Small details like head to the mat, and isolating/distracting one arm are awesome. The leverage you apply also looks far less exhausting and forceful and more leverage based
Me too... I felt good about everything up till brining my left forearm into position. I forgot to sweep his face and put pressure on his jawline first before positioning onto the neck. I think I tried to rush the choke and lost it. Small details...., lol.
My favorite choke for both judo and BJJ.
I need to try this I’ve never gotten a tap on the cross choke. Great vid!
Trying this next class. Maybe this is they way to tap someone as a white belt. Wish me luck
The Rainbow Choke xD Love it!! Thanks! Oss
Great tutorial.
Kennan a beast!
yeah a beast on video, but a kitten on world championships :)
This variation is better then the original one. More powerful.
Need to try this out but one thing I can see already is that by not pulling on the collar with the first grip you don't create the problem for yourself of there being no slack on the other side so that you can't get your thumb in. The only problem I see for me is that my forearms are probably a good bit shorter than Keenan's so "rainbowing" around the head might not be so simple.
When getting his arm eliminated in the beginning to come around and put thumb in collar...would it be better to completely eliminat the arm by putting the same side knee on the bicep replacing the hand before completing the choke?
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like! will try :)
its so hard to finish this choke
Like a cross-collar paper-cutter hybrid choke
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does it matter what palm up / palm down grip you have on either hand?
for example do you have to have the first hand palm up and the second hand palm down or can you do the opposite, both palms up or both palms down?
first hand : always palm up
if you put your second hand under your first arm : palm up
if you put your second hand over your first arm : palm down
@@Juzam777 First hand can be palm down, just limits the entry position of the second hand.
Would this or the ezekiel be a higher percentage / easier finisher from this position?
Roger Gracie's the best at this✌️
roger will teach the correct and efficient way... ask your masters :)
Don't get me wrong, my message isn't trying to discredit or bash you in any way, but I do want to ask where you learned that the conventional cross-collar choke is finished by pulling your elbows up and outwards?
I've always been taught that you should !!!NEVER!!! (see how much emphasis I put on that? :D) do that with the cross-collar choke, be it from the top OR the bottom.
I've been taught to rotate the wrists 90 degrees, putting much more pressure on his neck, and driving my elbows together (towards each other) and pulling them to my chest (pulling from the guard and dropping down from the top - for the balance and pressure aspect, as you said).
Nothing against the way you said you prefer doing it - I was just baffled to see such a high level black belt teaching the "conventional/old school" way of the most basic choke with the biggest mistake (in my humble opinion).
I do realise that you said exactly that the classical way isn't efficient and you don't like it, so you didn't actually encourage people to do it that way (rather the opposite, which is good), but still. I hope you get my point.
Anyway, thanks for sharing and keep doing what you're doing.
+Fizzy HLTV
You are describing two different chokes, he is showing a cross cut type of choke. I learned this in Judo/ju-jitsu years ago as a type of collar choke, not THE cross collar choke, but a cross collar choke. It was later shown to me (via the gracie intermediate tapes 1996?), as separate chokes as well. It is very similar but actually a different technique. The finishing pressure of any cross collar choke should come from two-way wrist movement, after all of the slack has been taken away in a similar fashion the choke he is showing (can't tell if he did) could use two-way action in the wrist, that would make the technique more efficient. ALL collar chokes benefit from two-way wrist action, its the "invisible jiu-jitsu," in the technique, it allows the cascades to be small and subtle till the end. Cause its the straw with minimal effort that finally breaks the camels back not the bricks. Another trick to try is try doing your palm-up with the thumb on the outside of the knuckles, it allows for a better connection without burning your grip out as fast, as well as making it harder to collapse the wrist and arm snaking in. If you see someone at his level doing something "wrong," most likely its just different, cause in the end he is very effective with the technique.
No, his technique is off is all. I learned it from Judo and I thought it was that way until I started to do BJJ in Gi and was taught how to do it correctly. All the variants of the cross choke whether it be nami, gyaku or kata juji jime all require the same finishing energy and is not dependent on massive amounts of strength as you are being led to believe.
None of u are bb but critize before you utilize. People that think like u in my experience don't place in tourney.
Youre questioning the number 3 ranked bjj player!? Youre buggin
kata juji jime
I didnt see any new technique, by the way, there are a lot of missing details, considering this a video from a very top competition guy.
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+Lanky Fight Gear That's comedy gold right there!
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This approach seems like a powerful option. The weakness in the technique, by the looks of it, is the moment where you have to post with your forehead to avoid a bridge sweep. The person attempting this choke should be confident in their ability to post with their head/neck. I would be careful using this approach against a bigger opponent.
This is good, but it’s a different choke. This is not blood so much as a treach choke. This is like the Helio choke, or a bread cutter choke from mount.
Pedro Sauer shows this much better IMO.
hardest part of this technique is to maintain the mount...i always get rolled over
@Koslim
Check this link to solve that:
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Who cares, if you have the choke locked in, just finish it from the guard. :-)
Sneaky and deadly
Haha! another year without winning the big one.. lmao