some timestamps : 10:37 the problem with startups 13:25 comparison (open pilot will engage anywhere) 14:05 the scene of Self-driving cars 16:00 talking about the golf car (that was pretty funny lol) 20:32 on WAYMO and Google 25:00 on Silicon Valley 28:44 the problem with the selfie cam (driver monitoring) 32:14 labeling + the cone guy joke 35:16 on Hardware (comma 2) 38:36 comma 6 + NVIDIA Story 1:00:00 what would you study now 1:02:00 reverse engineering the virus (covid) maybe sm1 can provide more ... i really enjoyed this episode ^^
One of the biggest flaws of our current system is that we do not allow disagreeable people and people with outliers personalities to shine. George might not be the guy you want to have dinner with, but he's the guy you want on your side in a war.
People like George Hotz are the type of people that I worked with who made me realize I should get away from writing software. They were so much more intellectually capable and curious than I was. I realized this 6 months after graduating college and I made the switch to more of a finance/business role, eventually started my own company, and except for maybe hitting it with stock options, I am way more successful doing what I am doing now than had I stayed in that role/path. It taught me that intelligence isn't being great at something, but simply knowing what you weren't great at and pivoting away from it! Listening to this guy gives me flashbacks of sitting in meetings listening to other engineering talent and the humility I felt just listening to them think.
Yes but software companies without people like you will most likely fail. Most programmers developers need a sensible practical person to run the business side.
i cant believe what im seeing ... a podcast with 4 people in 4 different locations and the sound quality is really good on all 4 of them. Must be a first time in history. Good job guys! I knew it could be done :D
He's such a joy to listen to. You know when he talks he's not going to talk BS just because he can, he means what he says. Rare quality in tech these days.
What a *great* interview! I am so glad that George felt comfortable with the interviewers. George didn't talk like a diplomat. He said what he really thinks. That is so refreshing, especially from someone as insightful and capable as him. George is real.
George Hotz is always entertaining to watch. It was also a good wake up call given how tempting it is to believe that Tesla is miles ahead of everyone else and placing too much importance on their data volume. Quite impressed at how OpenPilot/CommaAI is literally plug and play. I was under the impression that you had to mess with the car's internal wiring but far from it. Comma AI truly is bringing state of the art self driving to the masses.
I thought Tesla had no real competition in selfdriving, this guy convinced me otherwise. Certainly seems like a very smart approach to machine learning.
Can't believe I waited so long to watch this. It was mindblowingly good! Love to hear that there's a technology other than Tesla's autopilot AND taking a different approach to solving a similar problem. Bravo on all of the pros and cons of both approaches. Super exciting! Thanks so much for this episode team!
This man, George, is really really crazy super-talented, special gift person. Some enjoying quotes of George - "AirBnB is not technology. Uber is not technology. These are just platform" "Human doesn’t label everything, they just pick whatever needs to pay attention. Our solution isn’t labelling everything, but label the only specific things that human normally does" "I would rather pay for sex than advertising" "You are saying, everyone should use Open Pilot. What would you gain from there? - I wanna win self-driving"
Maybe, but I wonder if he would have eventually ended up in Comma AI anyway. Being the Linux of self driving would be feel like far more of an accomplishment to than writing proprietary software to those who love the Open Source community.
@@chillrawr9603 Considering Tesla is giving away their tech to spread electric cars, why wouldn't they do the same with self driving? I mean, obviously, they are not, but I feel like they could team up and do it as then it would be available much faster.
Don't recall the last time I encountered someone at least as smart as Elon Musk. George definitely qualifies. Appreciate the reality check on the timeline for cars to be able to drive themselves. The robotaxi business model hinges on it, as does the value of FSD, which I paid for upfront. Appreciate that someone who's in the business of winning autonomous driving is realistic about the timeline. He's both smart and humble. Appreciate his disdain for advertising as well. Thanks for the video! You guys are awesome 🙂
Absolutely fascinating. Three big take-aways for me are: #1 comma.ai doesn't do detailed labeling - no cone labeling guy! - instead the learning is on the whole image. #2 miles between disengagements is the key measurement for FSD - going from 100 miles to 100,000 miles will take 10 years if the performance doubles each year - that includes Tesla! #3 Tesla autopilot is iOS, comma is Linux, Mobileye is Windows, NVidia is nowhere, everyone else nowhere.
I don't know how Third Row does it, but what a very nice production that was. Interesting and informative. I'm already looking forward to your next one. Third Row Rocks !
Florestan Trément I wasn’t referring to his distaste for the typical corporate strategy to solve self driving. More so Omar for example will make a statement like “Comma AI started with the idea of allowing any car to have the capabilities of Autopilot” George disagrees and says it started bc he more or less just needed a car, which in my opinion was a reflexively disagreeable answer, given Omar’s description was actually accurate.
Xander Johnson agreed. He did this often during the interview. Maybe I wouldn’t classify it as takes pride though, more like he just disagrees a lot when the others are not necessarily wrong
Stephane Nouafo I feel like he still has some bad taste from his experience and is putting it out there for everyone to see with every chance he gets. Don’t get me wrong, he is incredibly intelligent individual from tech point of view. But he feels like and oddball in this setting. It’s too bad, this is excellent platform to show off your capability and the fact that companies are worse off without him. But he is trying too hard to show that himself.
@@DhavalBrahmbhatt2627 I agree, the man is quite awkward in his communication. But I can feel how much he enjoys the discussion. I don't think he tries to do anything but to get the maximum fun. Which includes making fun of people who try and pathetically fail to do what he does. Also, I don't think Coma and Tesla's performance entirely come from their engineers. I believe their problem is in their management.
I personally see the value in robo-taxis as a replacement for owning a car, once it becomes cheaper. But it would be so awkward to face the other strangers in the taxi
facing the back of the car is actually safer. It's why infant seats face backwards, and also why astronauts go into space backwards, just FYI. Also if you were facing people you know as opposed to people on the bus that you don't know is a fairly different scenario.
Our experience with Tesla Autopilot is different. We just drove from Indianapolis to Orlando with Autopilot on 99% of the time. Did not need to disengage to avoid getting into a crash.
One important tip: introduce who your guest is (briefly). I wasn't sure who this was until we got a few minutes into the video. Thanks for your episodes!
Just rewatched this episode. OMG, so worth it. There is so much to absorb here.... keep doing what you guys do. You also are responsible for the singular best interview of Elon Musk... I'm so stoked for you guys and if you ever need to raise an army... I'm your soldier o7
I'm surprised you guys didn't remember or at least mention it but when you had Elon he explained that he was going to do a sort of new 3D labelling. I dont' fully remember the details but the concept I was getting from it sounds like what Hotz is describing here. It makes sense you just look at the entire image and train against the path and so the net forms a sort of intuition where to drive without like saying hey that's a cone even a human it's just sort of in your subconcious only a lot of times.
' ''WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE' [Guns 'n Roses] George Of The Jungle'____you know what you're doin'_____THAT'S FURSURE!!!! I dream of these things____you work to DO THANK YOU GUYS!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS 'LOCKED ON A FEELIN'
54 minutes in and here is what I see. EVERYONE that is not TESLA or COMMA are screwed. Comma is in second place ( and that is not a bad place to be) they sell the hardware( which is a good business model) and open source the software. Tesla is an island unto itself (I hate the Apple analogy but it fits) that is luckily not just a "car company" so even if they were to switch places with Comma... they will still be huge. I will also add that the eight camera, deep learning etc that Tesla is using is not "overkill" as George suggests. One of the reasons the visualizations are so appreciated is a bit of psychology that it addresses. If I can see what the car sees, I know that the car is "accurately seeing" as I do and if it can see even better than I can, because it has more eyes than I do without having to turn it's head as I would, then I am even more assured it is doing and processing more than I can, I will feel safe! I pump the "brakes" when I am in the passenger seat when I am not driving every time it is unclear if the very competent driver is seeing or going to react as I would. I can't see into their head... but you can see into a Tesla on the screen. I know the way they are doing this is a few levels deeper as well, but I won't speculate how labeling and mapping how they are now can also open up and improve the experience of using the Tesla system over Comma, because it is a case of using ones imagination and asking a slightly different question. Watch any good sci fi movie with autonomous cars from the early 2000's and then think about a Tesla today.
Actually, before comma.ai, all companies except Tesla were likely screwed. But with comma.ai, all other car companies (and Uber) will be able to compete with Tesla.
It's worth taking into considerstion that comma can end up with more sophisticated software (models, etc.) due to bigger hardware limitations. And once they have good models they can always scale up to better hardware and more cameras. It's almost like a research effort, where you set up your environment to (almost) isolate the exposure to certain conditions and focus on a particular bit of the system.
hey hi. not sure if you read comments but i usually find ur podcasts in the fine category but this guest was really great thanks for reaching out into the industry and getting someone on to talk about the industry Tesla is in.
I’m personally not a fan of tesla or care for tesla vids, but I couldn’t stop listening to this with George Hotz. I love open source software and I really hope he wins the autonomy race like Android vs. Apple. Seriously thinking about buying the comma ai product. Thank you guys
so, my not-o-pilot has a chance?! nice. i think the guest should do some more study on what technology is and its roots in our language. another edit, comma 2 is not compatible with our 2013 S85. edit three, oh god.... i definitely discern the stoplights and colors. who else got scared? seatbelts were mandated far before the majority of companies were using them. credit ralph nader. jeez man... this guy is.... interesting.
You making this podcast add to his technology development be boosted indirectly. Im watching this on youtube after all. A platform, yes, bit contributes to your tech.
George is a brilliant thinker, and it is Elon's loss that he did'nt manage to come to an agreement with him, or hire him to help with the challenges Tesla was facing. Good interview.
I suspect he's doing it to provide the best signal between his AirPods and his laptop. Presumably, the stem has been designed to point downwards as we are trying to connect with our phone which is more often than not directly below our ears - when it's in our pocket, assuming we are using the AirPods to listen to music? Just a guess. Of course he could just be trying to take the contrarian approach to wearing AirPods? Or unique fashion statement?
Great discussion. It confirmed my discussion about self-driving. We're some years away from full self-driving, and we'll know when we're close. Also confirmed -- Silicon Valley doesn't add value, it rent-seeks.
Not to put too fine a point on it but as a lawyer I would say you absolutely can have a contract in which the satisfaction of one party is a condition of the other party's completion of his obligations. It is still a contract. Whether it is wise to sign such a contract is a different issue, but Hotz is wrong to say it is not a contract if it includes a requirement that one party be satisfied with the result.
Agreed. Weird, sudden ending. George probably extracted a time limit promise before he'd grant the interview. Please get him back on for a longer slot!
After watching many videos from "Tesla Driver" in England, i feel Hotz is correct about the trajectory. While Autopilot is impressive, it still messes up badly on occasion and completely fails to identify some serious pending hazard or scenario. I just can't see the current AI approach being able to do the fundamental human realization of, "this looks like a situation coming up that I need to pay close attention to and prepare to take action".
@knowledge share Not sure on what measures you say AP1 is the most reliable. I don't have personal experience, but interested to hear why you say that. Going by videos, it seems the latter versions are much more sophisticated and keep improving in many subtle ways...Although, as is plainly obvious, you wouldn't yet trust it to safely cope with a 1 in 100 mile odd situation. It can't robotaxi until it can tackle virtually all of the myriad of weird things that happen on the road.
Smart guy, would have been stupid do basically work for free and hope that Elon likes your product and pays him. Having said that, he obviously couldn't define a product that Elon was prepared to fun upfront. Glad Tesla does things in house, I hope this guy can build a good competitor.
teatowel11 yeap, thing with Elon is he doesn’t care about something working but more about how it works. A contract is too firm, maybe you do what the contract says but they ways you made it doesn’t fulfill a future vision.
Im curious why Tesla does it the other way with labeling.. maybe once you get navigation and safety features with decisionmaking into the mix, the "how would a human drive" doesn't really cut it anymore.. would have loved a deeper explanation because that's where he thinks Comma is ahead of Tesla
if you have billions of dollars and thousands of employees, you can't just have 2-3 guys training an end to end machine learning model, you need to chose a more complicated method so you can put all those resources to use.
@@antonio.7557 Just false, they already bailed on versions and made new ones. If they felt the comma.ai approach was better, they would already have people working on it. The only way they can do these major pivots is if they fund research that may or may not pan out and if it pans out, they do a major pivot. No way is tesla locked into one thing and isn't still looking at all other techniques.
Very interesting. Amazing how smart George is. I think all the auto companies except Tesla will need to buy Comma. They will never be able to do it in house
I agree for the short term that the humans in the car trust that Tesla sees obstacles etc via labeling. Maybe long term not needed, but DOI employees will likely be more willing to sign off with combo of safety statistics & labeled visualization in car. Great that there is a smart company for all the other vehicles. Competition is good.
some timestamps :
10:37 the problem with startups
13:25 comparison (open pilot will engage anywhere)
14:05 the scene of Self-driving cars
16:00 talking about the golf car (that was pretty funny lol)
20:32 on WAYMO and Google
25:00 on Silicon Valley
28:44 the problem with the selfie cam (driver monitoring)
32:14 labeling + the cone guy joke
35:16 on Hardware (comma 2)
38:36 comma 6 + NVIDIA Story
1:00:00 what would you study now
1:02:00 reverse engineering the virus (covid)
maybe sm1 can provide more ...
i really enjoyed this episode ^^
The money I’d pay to see a discussion with him and Elon and a few beers.
OH, DEFINITELY!!!! 😂😂😂😂
You don't have that money.
@@ezdating projection
YOU FORGOT WEED!
I really don't think they would get along very well lol. They have different ways of thinking
George is a thought leader, right or wrong he's not gonna be agreeable just so people like him. He simply speaks his mind.
Agreed!
He simplifies needlessly overcomplicate ideas quite well
One of the biggest flaws of our current system is that we do not allow disagreeable people and people with outliers personalities to shine. George might not be the guy you want to have dinner with, but he's the guy you want on your side in a war.
@@dadboss1 I would wanna have dinner with George Hotz
@@FrancisKoczur reductionist you might say.
People like George Hotz are the type of people that I worked with who made me realize I should get away from writing software. They were so much more intellectually capable and curious than I was. I realized this 6 months after graduating college and I made the switch to more of a finance/business role, eventually started my own company, and except for maybe hitting it with stock options, I am way more successful doing what I am doing now than had I stayed in that role/path. It taught me that intelligence isn't being great at something, but simply knowing what you weren't great at and pivoting away from it! Listening to this guy gives me flashbacks of sitting in meetings listening to other engineering talent and the humility I felt just listening to them think.
Though I know things worked out for you this makes me a little sad :(
please can you tell me what stock options to do. I lost 20k and i want to make it back? I wish i was smart like you
Yes but software companies without people like you will most likely fail. Most programmers developers need a sensible practical person to run the business side.
I have Comma AI Openpilot on 2 cars. Great product! I am a 74 and found this so simple to install. Buy it, you will love it.
what car do you have?
Realization: intelligent, open, honest unfiltered conversation is rare.
New sub.
i cant believe what im seeing ... a podcast with 4 people in 4 different locations and the sound quality is really good on all 4 of them. Must be a first time in history.
Good job guys! I knew it could be done :D
We made it to the future!
My first Hotz experience and he is a bright one. Thank you Third Row!
the lex fridman interview is worth a watch
@@Phoenixklinge I'll will check it out. Thank you!
Big fan of George, I thoroughly enjoyed this, also new to Open-pilot, got comma 2 for my 2020 Sonata, and he was right, I use it everyday
Thanx, nice to know !
What are your top reasons for using it?
Got comma 2 For my Jeep Cherokee What a piece of crab
He's such a joy to listen to. You know when he talks he's not going to talk BS just because he can, he means what he says. Rare quality in tech these days.
What a *great* interview! I am so glad that George felt comfortable with the interviewers. George didn't talk like a diplomat. He said what he really thinks. That is so refreshing, especially from someone as insightful and capable as him. George is real.
George Hotz is always entertaining to watch. It was also a good wake up call given how tempting it is to believe that Tesla is miles ahead of everyone else and placing too much importance on their data volume. Quite impressed at how OpenPilot/CommaAI is literally plug and play. I was under the impression that you had to mess with the car's internal wiring but far from it. Comma AI truly is bringing state of the art self driving to the masses.
The data volune value comes into play when you want to go from 95% without intervention to 99.999%
I thought Tesla had no real competition in selfdriving, this guy convinced me otherwise.
Certainly seems like a very smart approach to machine learning.
watch his live streams, guy is a genius
Same here, happy to have seen this (better than being blindsided)
@@anthonysummit3098 where can i watch it?
@@joaogabrielpacheco he does on twitch, and the recorded sessions are uploaded on UA-cam by channel called Commaai Archive
George is right about not disengaging on wheel input. this makes the experience much more enjoyable and keeps you in the loop.
Can't believe I waited so long to watch this. It was mindblowingly good! Love to hear that there's a technology other than Tesla's autopilot AND taking a different approach to solving a similar problem. Bravo on all of the pros and cons of both approaches. Super exciting! Thanks so much for this episode team!
Advertising. It's gross.
--George Hotz
Amen to that.
You commented on an ad video.
❤️
UA-cam vanced !
Yeah that kind of sentiment is why I will listen to anything that George has to say.
@@rafam4687 ayeee vanced gang
George is my spirit animal! I love the guy!
I absolutely LOVED the analogy he made with Windows, Linux and Mac.
And the more I think about it, that is the way it is going to be. And I like it.
GeoHot is a legend. We need more like him. Im glad he never sold out.
Would be cool if you guys tried out Comma AI and gave your thoughts on it. A perspective from Tesla fans would be interesting.
This man, George, is really really crazy super-talented, special gift person.
Some enjoying quotes of George -
"AirBnB is not technology. Uber is not technology. These are just platform"
"Human doesn’t label everything, they just pick whatever needs to pay attention. Our solution isn’t labelling everything, but label the only specific things that human normally does"
"I would rather pay for sex than advertising"
"You are saying, everyone should use Open Pilot. What would you gain from there? - I wanna win self-driving"
you know what, George is a true genius, he doesn't imitate and follow others opinion, he follows what he thinks is right. love his ideology.
George is so entertaining and intelligent. Wish Elon would have hired him back in the day
They have different approach 0 chance in them working together(long term).
Maybe, but I wonder if he would have eventually ended up in Comma AI anyway. Being the Linux of self driving would be feel like far more of an accomplishment to than writing proprietary software to those who love the Open Source community.
@@chillrawr9603 Considering Tesla is giving away their tech to spread electric cars, why wouldn't they do the same with self driving? I mean, obviously, they are not, but I feel like they could team up and do it as then it would be available much faster.
@@TDrudley Because the world doesn't need autonomous cars to survive, but the world needs electric cars to survive (so the thinking goes).
The episode I didn’t know I needed
Double Ditto !!
Same here!
Don't recall the last time I encountered someone at least as smart as Elon Musk. George definitely qualifies. Appreciate the reality check on the timeline for cars to be able to drive themselves. The robotaxi business model hinges on it, as does the value of FSD, which I paid for upfront. Appreciate that someone who's in the business of winning autonomous driving is realistic about the timeline. He's both smart and humble. Appreciate his disdain for advertising as well. Thanks for the video! You guys are awesome 🙂
You’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed it!
😂😂😂😂 7 billion people on this earth and you think Elon Musk is the smartest. No comment ....
George is a genius and he isn't scared to tell the truth!! Thank you for the video!
Such a fun interview. Love the real chat about Silicon Valley, not being scared by nvidia, or Google, or Tesla.
I enjoyed this even more than the Elon Musk episode
“Waymo is the leader in the special olympics for self driving cars” 😂😂😂
I love George. He always tells it like it is.
Absolutely fascinating. Three big take-aways for me are: #1 comma.ai doesn't do detailed labeling - no cone labeling guy! - instead the learning is on the whole image. #2 miles between disengagements is the key measurement for FSD - going from 100 miles to 100,000 miles will take 10 years if the performance doubles each year - that includes Tesla! #3 Tesla autopilot is iOS, comma is Linux, Mobileye is Windows, NVidia is nowhere, everyone else nowhere.
George is so open and honest.
I'd like to hear an Interview with Hotz and Musk talking about self driving tech where they can respond to each other. Now that would be interesting.
I don't know how Third Row does it, but what a very nice production that was. Interesting and informative. I'm already looking forward to your next one. Third Row Rocks !
Thank you for introducing us to Mr. Hotz, The Tarantino of self driving software. Good interview! It is great! 🖖
George is awesome, no filter and will describe the problem how it is w/ no bs. Refreshing, thanks GH!!!
George Hotz is like the mad scientist that says, "We'll get ya there, but you might need a little glue when ya do!" Haha
I feel like Hotz takes pride in how disagreeable he is
I don't agree. He is mocking crooks that make money on the pretense they are competent in the self driving area. Which they obviously are not.
Florestan Trément I wasn’t referring to his distaste for the typical corporate strategy to solve self driving. More so Omar for example will make a statement like “Comma AI started with the idea of allowing any car to have the capabilities of Autopilot” George disagrees and says it started bc he more or less just needed a car, which in my opinion was a reflexively disagreeable answer, given Omar’s description was actually accurate.
Xander Johnson agreed. He did this often during the interview. Maybe I wouldn’t classify it as takes pride though, more like he just disagrees a lot when the others are not necessarily wrong
Stephane Nouafo I feel like he still has some bad taste from his experience and is putting it out there for everyone to see with every chance he gets. Don’t get me wrong, he is incredibly intelligent individual from tech point of view. But he feels like and oddball in this setting. It’s too bad, this is excellent platform to show off your capability and the fact that companies are worse off without him. But he is trying too hard to show that himself.
@@DhavalBrahmbhatt2627 I agree, the man is quite awkward in his communication.
But I can feel how much he enjoys the discussion. I don't think he tries to do anything but to get the maximum fun.
Which includes making fun of people who try and pathetically fail to do what he does.
Also, I don't think Coma and Tesla's performance entirely come from their engineers. I believe their problem is in their management.
I personally see the value in robo-taxis as a replacement for owning a car, once it becomes cheaper. But it would be so awkward to face the other strangers in the taxi
facing the back of the car is actually safer. It's why infant seats face backwards, and also why astronauts go into space backwards, just FYI. Also if you were facing people you know as opposed to people on the bus that you don't know is a fairly different scenario.
The Comma 2 is a GREEAT INVENTION. I use it for my Toyota Camry and it's a very fun experience
george is great... i want hear and see more people like him on twitter and youtube. if you crazy and good like george make some noise!
Our experience with Tesla Autopilot is different. We just drove from Indianapolis to Orlando with Autopilot on 99% of the time. Did not need to disengage to avoid getting into a crash.
Drove from California to Texas and back with same results.. Autopilot is continuously improving.
illlDCllli try again in a city
EVPaddy I live in LA and use it every day. It’s amazing in stop and go traffic.
As usual amazing detailed and educational conversation, thanks you all.
Wayne Mceachron you’re welcome 😀
Great guest, great informed questions. Appreciate it
Loved this cast. Thank you!
Gotta have George back again!
Great video, I hope Andrej or Elon watch this. George definitely points out some real flaws in the Tesla system.
One important tip: introduce who your guest is (briefly). I wasn't sure who this was until we got a few minutes into the video. Thanks for your episodes!
Just rewatched this episode. OMG, so worth it. There is so much to absorb here.... keep doing what you guys do. You also are responsible for the singular best interview of Elon Musk... I'm so stoked for you guys and if you ever need to raise an army... I'm your soldier o7
Amazing podcast! This definitely could have been a longer discussion, maybe round 2 with George sometime in the future?
He'd make a good Bond villain.
Especially after the lex Friedman interview
Yes, he seems quite arrogant.
@@nexussky4135 coke
@@nexussky4135 A humble genius doesn't change the world.
Yeah, but I have a feeling he wouldn't let Bond win ;)
I could listen to this for days. Great interview style
I'm surprised you guys didn't remember or at least mention it but when you had Elon he explained that he was going to do a sort of new 3D labelling. I dont' fully remember the details but the concept I was getting from it sounds like what Hotz is describing here. It makes sense you just look at the entire image and train against the path and so the net forms a sort of intuition where to drive without like saying hey that's a cone even a human it's just sort of in your subconcious only a lot of times.
'
''WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE' [Guns 'n Roses]
George Of The Jungle'____you know what you're doin'_____THAT'S FURSURE!!!!
I dream of these things____you work to DO THANK YOU GUYS!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS
'LOCKED ON A FEELIN'
54 minutes in and here is what I see. EVERYONE that is not TESLA or COMMA are screwed. Comma is in second place ( and that is not a bad place to be) they sell the hardware( which is a good business model) and open source the software. Tesla is an island unto itself (I hate the Apple analogy but it fits) that is luckily not just a "car company" so even if they were to switch places with Comma... they will still be huge.
I will also add that the eight camera, deep learning etc that Tesla is using is not "overkill" as George suggests. One of the reasons the visualizations are so appreciated is a bit of psychology that it addresses. If I can see what the car sees, I know that the car is "accurately seeing" as I do and if it can see even better than I can, because it has more eyes than I do without having to turn it's head as I would, then I am even more assured it is doing and processing more than I can, I will feel safe!
I pump the "brakes" when I am in the passenger seat when I am not driving every time it is unclear if the very competent driver is seeing or going to react as I would. I can't see into their head... but you can see into a Tesla on the screen. I know the way they are doing this is a few levels deeper as well, but I won't speculate how labeling and mapping how they are now can also open up and improve the experience of using the Tesla system over Comma, because it is a case of using ones imagination and asking a slightly different question.
Watch any good sci fi movie with autonomous cars from the early 2000's and then think about a Tesla today.
Actually, before comma.ai, all companies except Tesla were likely screwed. But with comma.ai, all other car companies (and Uber) will be able to compete with Tesla.
It's worth taking into considerstion that comma can end up with more sophisticated software (models, etc.) due to bigger hardware limitations. And once they have good models they can always scale up to better hardware and more cameras. It's almost like a research effort, where you set up your environment to (almost) isolate the exposure to certain conditions and focus on a particular bit of the system.
‘After Tesla wins’ ROTFL You tell him Sof!!
Drop the T from ROFL
Great interview with George!
George is so goddamn entertaining. I hope he uses that brain for good instead of evil.
great insights, thanks to all!
hey hi. not sure if you read comments but i usually find ur podcasts in the fine category but this guest was really great thanks for reaching out into the industry and getting someone on to talk about the industry Tesla is in.
This is good stuff . Geo hots is the new age steve jobs ..’
damn those powerwall and 420 shirts are amazing
Glad you liked our vid...I mean shirts 😂
@@ThirdRowTesla still working on the vid about 20 minutes in. This guy's great. Funny and interesting history
Great episode, thanks!!!!!!!!
I’m personally not a fan of tesla or care for tesla vids, but I couldn’t stop listening to this with George Hotz. I love open source software and I really hope he wins the autonomy race like Android vs. Apple. Seriously thinking about buying the comma ai product. Thank you guys
no worries
so, my not-o-pilot has a chance?! nice. i think the guest should do some more study on what technology is and its roots in our language. another edit, comma 2 is not compatible with our 2013 S85. edit three, oh god.... i definitely discern the stoplights and colors. who else got scared? seatbelts were mandated far before the majority of companies were using them. credit ralph nader. jeez man... this guy is.... interesting.
Yeah I was wondering about that...
that was just a treat
Glad u liked it
Listening to Georg is always a great investment!
This guy.... Quentin Tarantino meets Bill Hader. I'm pretty sure AirPods aren't supposed to fit like that... Great episode though!
George Hotz just won't be squeezed into a box.
I think those are the Pros
I've got the hotz for this episode
You making this podcast add to his technology development be boosted indirectly. Im watching this on youtube after all. A platform, yes, bit contributes to your tech.
George is a brilliant thinker, and it is Elon's loss that he did'nt manage to come to an agreement with him, or hire him to help with the challenges Tesla was facing. Good interview.
I can't stop looking at the way his airpods are sitting
I suspect he's doing it to provide the best signal between his AirPods and his laptop. Presumably, the stem has been designed to point downwards as we are trying to connect with our phone which is more often than not directly below our ears - when it's in our pocket, assuming we are using the AirPods to listen to music? Just a guess. Of course he could just be trying to take the contrarian approach to wearing AirPods? Or unique fashion statement?
same.
Those are Airpod Pros, they fit differently - Geohot is ahead of you haha
it's not about aesthetics it's about functionality
In the instructions that come with air pods they literally tell you to wear them like that so they stay more secure
Great discussion. It confirmed my discussion about self-driving. We're some years away from full self-driving, and we'll know when we're close. Also confirmed -- Silicon Valley doesn't add value, it rent-seeks.
It sounds like this guy has doubled down on - exclude what isn't necessary. Pretty cool.
Right, but who makes that decision? A mobile phone chip?
Yo nice! George in the house! Really cool, thanks guys! Would love to have a few from you on my podcast, feel free to reach out :)
Great podcast! Thank you all for providing excellent content
Not to put too fine a point on it but as a lawyer I would say you absolutely can have a contract in which the satisfaction of one party is a condition of the other party's completion of his obligations. It is still a contract. Whether it is wise to sign such a contract is a different issue, but Hotz is wrong to say it is not a contract if it includes a requirement that one party be satisfied with the result.
“Boom” - I hope he gets to hear that in real life one day.
Most informative and entertaining Interview.
Yesss! Awesome to see Mr Hotz here!!
George is an awesome dude! Just when he was starting to talking about how autopilot messed for him, you guys ended the show 😂
Agreed. Weird, sudden ending. George probably extracted a time limit promise before he'd grant the interview. Please get him back on for a longer slot!
Geohotz is a legend
Omar! That shirt! I need it.
We might sell these
I agree, need that shirt!!!
@@ThirdRowTesla do it. I'll promote it =)
Is it a prediction or price paid ?
Please has it as a women’s tank :)
Local or global driving controls, drive Grandma to the store without leaving the couch🤔
Thank you for doing this! !! ! !
After watching many videos from "Tesla Driver" in England, i feel Hotz is correct about the trajectory. While Autopilot is impressive, it still messes up badly on occasion and completely fails to identify some serious pending hazard or scenario. I just can't see the current AI approach being able to do the fundamental human realization of, "this looks like a situation coming up that I need to pay close attention to and prepare to take action".
@knowledge share Not sure on what measures you say AP1 is the most reliable. I don't have personal experience, but interested to hear why you say that. Going by videos, it seems the latter versions are much more sophisticated and keep improving in many subtle ways...Although, as is plainly obvious, you wouldn't yet trust it to safely cope with a 1 in 100 mile odd situation. It can't robotaxi until it can tackle virtually all of the myriad of weird things that happen on the road.
For driver monitoring:
I think checking the eye twitch when eyes move left or right is an indication of delayed response time
Smart guy, would have been stupid do basically work for free and hope that Elon likes your product and pays him.
Having said that, he obviously couldn't define a product that Elon was prepared to fun upfront.
Glad Tesla does things in house, I hope this guy can build a good competitor.
teatowel11 yeap, thing with Elon is he doesn’t care about something working but more about how it works. A contract is too firm, maybe you do what the contract says but they ways you made it doesn’t fulfill a future vision.
@@ghfsd786fa Good point Elon's probably been burnt all the time by someone basically gaming it
Im curious why Tesla does it the other way with labeling.. maybe once you get navigation and safety features with decisionmaking into the mix, the "how would a human drive" doesn't really cut it anymore.. would have loved a deeper explanation because that's where he thinks Comma is ahead of Tesla
if you have billions of dollars and thousands of employees, you can't just have 2-3 guys training an end to end machine learning model, you need to chose a more complicated method so you can put all those resources to use.
@@antonio.7557 Just false, they already bailed on versions and made new ones. If they felt the comma.ai approach was better, they would already have people working on it. The only way they can do these major pivots is if they fund research that may or may not pan out and if it pans out, they do a major pivot. No way is tesla locked into one thing and isn't still looking at all other techniques.
Very interesting. Amazing how smart George is. I think all the auto companies except Tesla will need to buy Comma. They will never be able to do it in house
Tony G They don’t need to, they can just buy it from MobilEye. Self driving, once it’s working, will soon after been a commodity.
my boy George Hotz!!
Very insightful, I leant so much. Thanks, Third Row and George
You’re welcome
Sof, "After Tesla wins. Hahaha"
who wins last, wins best. (Is this expression right?)
@@brabenetz Who laughs last, laughs best. Meh, it's a direct translation of a swedish expression.
LOL! It was a long time ago.....5 years! bah!
I agree for the short term that the humans in the car trust that Tesla sees obstacles etc via labeling. Maybe long term not needed, but DOI employees will likely be more willing to sign off with combo of safety statistics & labeled visualization in car. Great that there is a smart company for all the other vehicles. Competition is good.
Elon made a big mistake not getting George on board. He is a genius.
Barry that’s the problem. two ovely large egos don’t go together
1:09:23 George - "oh, stoop im blushing"
Omar gave the best questions, thx!
Most important comment in this conversation: 20:37
"Waymo is the leader in the Special Olympics for self-driving cars."