FIXED: FORD SUPER DUTY DEATH WOBBLE [RV Tow Vehicle]
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If you're not familiar with the Death Wobble, it's an issue related to a solid front axle that create a slight imbalance and shakes the steering wheel violently. RAM had the issue up until 2014 when they upgraded their steering joints with heavy-duty parts and now Ford Super Duty should do the same. Although the condition is scary - the solution is simple. Once you identify the joint that has play, replace it. It might be the drag link ball joint, but it could be the tie rods too. Then install a dual stabalizer kit that will not only take the force off the joints and prevent premature wear again, but also stop any imbalance from happening. We couldn't be happier with the Icon Dual Stabilizers. You can get them from Stage 3 Motorsports or if you're in Arizona, take a trip up to Summit 4X4 Company in Prescott, AZ to get it installed.
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I prevented mine by becoming a Ford Master Technician.....because we all know it never happens when there's a Ford Technician riding with you...
Have there ever been "Death Wobble" issues with the newer Rangers? We have a Flagstaff E-pro-20BHS and have only towed from dealer to our parking spot. Would like to know before we tow/camp outside of the local area.
That's funny!
...for the win!
NPF lol
That's hilarious JD and unfortunately true 😆 🤣 😂
That snow is beautiful! Love the b roll. Happy Sunday KYD family.
Thank you Marc & Trish for sharing this. I’m watching it almost 1 year later. Marc, love the view of your early morning drive!
Everyone: "avoid potholes at all costs"
KYD: "turn now... there's one over there!"
Thank you for sharing improvements for the death wobble situation... informative AND enjoyable to watch!! Also, we really enjoyed your scenically gorgeous drive footage!!
I grew up working in my dad's garage back in the 60s. We use to replace a lot pitman arms because of this problem. It's been a problem on heavy duty trucks for decades.
It comes from driving without power steering. Learn to drive without ps and you learn quickly to steer when moving.
Yes! work on a fram in Virginia we where replacing this part every 9 mouth on our heavy-duty
So the Ford had like a Spa Day! New front suspension parts, alignment, and a new tire! 😂
I can’t believe this is something you have to look forward to with pretty much a new Ford Superduty
It’s a pain. I think Ford already got hit with a lawsuit over the death wobble issue. The need to seriously focus on improving the joints. I spent a over 1500 with upgraded fox shocks to keep the joints from wearing out quickly
@@salxo9600 yeah I’m pretty sure your right about the lawsuits. My dad has a ‘19 f350, and he says it sometimes does it, though whenever I drive it I notice it bumps steers like crazy. But that could be the heavy service front suspension, idk. Apparently they fixed the death wobble problem in either the 2020s, or the upcoming 21s
Good to see the real story as it happens. But, I’m more impressed with how clean under the front end looked. Wow. 👍
We experienced the death wobble this past summer coming down a mountain with the trailer behind my F250. It is astonishing how many professionals know nothing about this. Thank you so much for the video and the technical recommendations. In my case, I feel more confident that my repairs will work but, it is good to know that a real fix is available. Bad choices on Ford's part that they should have such a suspension system .
I’ve been behind the wheel of an F550 when death wobble happened. I worked at a dealership on the service rack. Just replaced all 6 tires using China made tires, tires balanced out perfectly so we gave the truck back to customer. They came back within an hour with the wobble. The test drive I went on had the steering wheel moving 90* in both directions just as quickly as in your videos. Was a pretty exciting ride to be on lol
I worked on Ford trucks that ran the Powerline roads across the desert. And F250 to F550. One of the biggest problems we had was the track Rod ball joint. This Rod parallels the steering linkage it goes from the power steering box out the steering knuckle.
It's easy to check, with the engine off and the key in the second position have someone wiggle the steering wheel back and forth, while you're watching the track rod ball joint. You'll see it wiggle back and forth as the axle moves side to side. It's rare that the bushing goes bad usually just the ball joint end is loose. No need to install Double steering stabilizers, but they do a good job of masking the issue.
You need a good ball joint press to change it out oh, you know the one you use an impact wrench on....
Retired LADWP mechanic
Wow, Summit is getting some good play this week with KYD and Venture4WD both getting work done there.
Great informative video today guys. I always enjoy how you guys not only point out the problem, but you let us know the solution. The snow background in Arizona was beautiful which made our kids go snow crazy. Both of our teenagers watched it several times, because they now want to ski there. Loved the video... Keep up the amazing work guys....
The snow looks so beautiful! Glad you got the death wobble fixed. Stay safe and healthy.
Someone forgot to finish shoveling the steps at the KYD cabin. 🤫😉 Great drive scenery!
I’m blaming the dog.
When your paying 45-80,000 for a vehcile you shouldn't have to fix or modify a stock vehicle. It should be perfect for well beyond 100,000 miles.
Absolutely agree
I was thinking the same thing
You are correct
But putting 30,000 miles on in a year, towing a trailer, mountains. It’s still a lot of work on a truck. Buy a 350k house. Still going to have to spend 30k to fix the roof in 20 years
Ya...good company.
Thanks for the excellent review of your problem solving.
I love seeing those mechanics who really know their business inside and out.
Rock On
Love how you break down the technical aspects of all things truck and trailer.
Side benefit of the steering stabilization kit is it helps you out in the event of a front tire blowout.
This is the informative and real life content that makes this channel shine.
Anytime I do an upgrade on our pick up my wife gets just excited as Trish does, lol!
Nice episode, “isn’t great when a plan comes together”, I can appreciate the joy of Everything working better than new and dialled in. Be Well, Safe Travels the “Wind at Your Back with Blue Skies Above. I received my KYD Ball Cap, and I love it now if I can just get a weekend off to show it around Ottawa Canada. 😊👍👍👍
Ram doesn't have that problem. : - D But seriously, to avoid your joints from prematurely going out, make sure you are moving before turning your wheels. I've noticed you turning your wheels while sitting. That puts tremendous pressures on your joints.
This issue is exactly why I purchased a Ram. Only to find out that the Ram gremlin is the CP4 (they just switched back to the CP3) Never knew that a single lemon would cost around $100k.
The ram has a problem with the adjusting sleeve coming loose so their fix is to weld the adjuster.
@@bellje6810 that's weird. I've only heard of certain years ford trucks doing it. I've never experienced this with any solid front axles. I own a older jeep, older suburban and an excursion all 4x4. Guess I've been lucky?
@@mudbud2550 You must be lucky. Any vehicle that has a solid front axle for their steering axle can exhibit this behavior. This includes Ford Super Duty, RAM Heavy Duty, and Jeep Wranglers. A cursory search will result in plenty of documentation showing all three models with this issue.
The bottom line is the manufacturers are aware of this problem and continually do nothing about it. If there are solutions that fix it. Why haven't they just "fixed it" before they sale the vehicles. If the customers can fix it for a few hundred to a couple thousand. So can the manufacturers. And probably bring down the cost. But at the end of the day. You're paying $80,000 up what would another 2 or 4 thousand in cost matter.
Reminds me of my Jeep (Just Empty Every Pocket) - continuous funds drain on dealing with death wobble. Stabilizers, joints, links ... nothing really cured it but a select set of parts did tame it. Good luck.
Trish makes this video with her reactions to the repair and his explanation of “tow in” “Oh really”. She’s so cute. “”It’s not like a loaf of fresh bread”
As always, super informative coupled with the perfect musical choices.
Thank you for sharing the Mars and Venus moment (13:30). I'm relieved.
I hope you got some compensation from Ford for all that. Glad to hear you're hitting the road again! BTW- we're totally enjoying KYD55 too.
Hey buddy, just saw your channel. If you ever need any help with that DUTY holler. Love to have ya on our Podcast 🤝😉
Arod is the best!
OK, I BELIEVE! Two and half years of Death Wobble on my 2016 Ford F 250 King Ranch --SOLVED!!! Love my truck, but HATED the Death Wobble, especially when we were towing our 33' Keystone Outback bumper pull trailer. I did exactly what you did, ordered the Icon Steering Stabilizer System. Installed it myself in one afternoon with normal hand tools (* had to get a pickle fork from Harbor Freight, because mine was too big to remove the stock steering stabilizer joint). Install is not too bad if you watch the installation video from Stage 3 Motorsports! Thanks for the great video and advice... I too am a believer in this system to eliminate DEATH WOBBLE...Good Job Sir!
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I love how much Caleb loves Charlie🐶❤️
Great video edits/cuts. I get that takes a lot of recording time, but y’all put it together very well
Great content, excellent video! Thanks! FYI.... I drive a 2008 Ford F250, diesel with over 300,000 miles and tow a 38' Keystone Laredo travel trailer, and never had the death wobble. Yes, I do maintain my vehicle the way you're supposed to do it.
I love my snowy Sunday as long as my KYD fix is taken care of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good snow shots in this episode.
Born and raised in the snow country. If I never see snow again it will be too soon! So glad I moved to Phoenix!!
Great video as always. Jim.
I always look forward to a KYD video.
Just fixed my death wobble in my 2019 f250. I went to Ford and they fixed it under a recall. It's under 3- 36k. Might check with Ford and see about this they have a fix too.
Great video guy’s, I have been driving Ford trucks all my life and have experienced the death wobble. I can relate. Thank you for sharing.
I'll be honest - this issue (and Ford's apparent lack of a permanent fix for it) is affecting my decision to possibly get into a Ford Super Duty. Thanks for keeping everyone apprised of this issue, KYD!
Great video. I had a coworker in Colorado doing 80 down i25 when he had the DW. He took it to dealership and the put a whole new front end on. I'll definitely tell him about your set up
My Ford dealer replaced all of the front end components on mine after the 4th episode of the DW. I also put on a PMF Dual Steering Stabilizer with Bilstein shocks. That was 35k miles ago and the truck has not had any issues since.
I can't believe Ford engineers have not figured this problem out as this has been a problem for MANY years
Like 60 yrs
It's common to all Dana and AAM 4x4 live axles, the design of the axle system makes it possible, there are a lot of single shear mounted bars in that system that can flex and oscillate, make it happen *just right* and, death wobble. Jeeps and Dodges do it more often to my knowledge.
@@johomerza 60 yrs!!! Are they going on strike for being underpayed or what
Dodge had a similar problem with their trucks and vans.
This is not just a Ford issue.
I had that same problem. I put on the steering stabilizer and I replaced the track bar with an upgraded after market one. Never had the problem again. Good video!
Another great video, we are learning so much from you guys. I told my wife we need to come up with a youtube channel name once we get started RVing recording. Of course she laughs.
You should not.have to fix Ford's problem for them especially when you consider what you pay for a Super Duty. Ford should be fixing it... properly.
It’s under warranty, so Ford did fix it
@@nanachick05 No they patched it, but it will happen again.
@@nanachick05 they replaced the part their poor engineering caused to break prematurely, but it'll just break again. In most other countries they would have to recall all trucks and pay to basically have what kyd just put on it
I agree and so does my lawyer. Once you go aftermarket you just take all responsibility if you get into an accident!! Ohh and don’t forget the dreaded cp4!! Yes the fuel pump which is made by Bosch and was designed for European fuel not American fuel.. Now after about 50k those will go and trash your whole fuel system!! Ram is having the same problems! Good luck!! I’m looking for a buyout!! Send the bill to FORD!!
@@krank3682 jokes on you. Every maker uses the CP4 - Chevy, ram, and GMC.
I'm glad you decided to go this route instead of just letting Ford handle it, they pass it off until it's out of warranty.
Joe Doing Random they fixed mine.
Joe Doing Random gotta have the right dealer mine fixed mine
Ford replaces everything, except the drag link ends. Tires, shocks, ball joints, radius arm bushings, brake rotors, steering gear, etc. I just don’t know why they are so oblivious to this safety issue?
The latest Ford tactic is to take the truck in for analysis, or whatever, and just let it sit until the owner begs to have the truck back. I had a specific appointment on mine for this past week. When I got there the service people said they would need to have the truck for 2-3 weeks min just to do the analysis.
I'm going to a local 4x4 shop now and we will work through this together.....
I went with the base shocks to correct my 2019 F250’s steering. I never had the death wobble, but certain potholes made for a scary ride. Literally would get knocked out of the lane. This kit is a must for any newer super duty.
I loved seeing the area with all that snow!!! We can't wait to move to Prescott!!! Just got back from Prescott 2 weeks ago and while we were there I drove right by Summit 4X4! I was like, "OH! OH! That's where KYD was in January". My wife says "Whaaat???"
BTW, there's no need to unplug the cord to the engine block heater when you leave. You simply drive off and it will unplug itself. Ask me how I know! 😂😂😂
I can fully support this. For the same reason. Lots of us Canada’s snow/cold belt know this & have seen it practiced by others 😂
@@Elizabeth-rq1vi 😂
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏 Right on!!
My favorite parts of this video (as a woman): sunrise scenery, Charlie
Yup and Trish’s thought of hot homemade bread. 😂. Looking forward to the new season.
you know it’s cold outside when the snow crunches. I don’t miss that even a little bit. Great video Mark
The KYD cabin looks like heaven with all that snow!
These trucks do not have enough caster. Classic shopping cart wobble.
i was ready to get a new 2021 F 250 Super Duty not sure now spending $70,000K and this happens then have to spend more money on suspension system not sure now.
So that’s all you have to do change the caster?
Yes nobody seems to know that the caster is the real issue, then when you have a joint with a tiny bit of slob the death wobble shows itself, although the real problem is caster.
Exactly. I put the +2 degree Carli bushings in my new truck first thing. They are only about $60 and easy to install. It tracks down the road much better as well.
I had a Ford 2500 and on the freeway it didn't feel safe. I went to chevy 2500 and feel safe at 100 mph. It just drives much better. The ford death wobble in mine almost would knock yo off the road and has been around for at least 10 years.
100mph towing a trailer like KYD?! just stop
@@michael1326 I didn't say anything about a trailer? I was making a point that the chevy drives much much better and to elaborate on that point in the Ford it felt dangerous at 80mph on the highway, on a sunny day without a trailer. In the chevy, it is not a consideration and I have hit the regulator and been surprised and that's with aftermarket oversize tires. If I hurt your ford feelings I will say I think the Ford did tow a little better. Chevy wins on the interior design and lack of death wobble in my opinion that's important.
Hey guys !! Love your videos. We’ve been watching from the start. Inspired us to start our channel. Thank you for all of your inspiration
Thanks for showing the Prescott views my son lived there & I am from Philly area I haven't been in a few years but I miss the area! Can't wait to get back out there! Prescott is a town we love!!
I was a ford heavy-duty tech for years and when I started towing a trailer I bought a Dodge no death wobble.
Hope it came with a spare transmission you will need that long before the spare tire
@@OmahaWayne I bought the lifetime warranty
Come on spring... I’m ready to get my camp on
Yes sir us too
Feeling a little bummed, where so much of the midwest and western states getting snow, and we're up here in southwestern Canada, and we've had none....well, the local weatherman says we've had a 'trace'! Well, one more month to go, as we 'can' get snow in February, so we'll have to wait and see!
To rhe shop. She trusted it enough to let go. After 10 min driving it. You absolutely nailed it guys. That’s impressive.
THANK YOU for fixing that!!! Great job!!!!
A Chevy Silverado ad played before your video. 🤣
Ford needs to re-engineer the steering and stability linkage system for these solid front ends. The aftermarket solutions greatly improve the situation, if not cure it, by using precision engineered parts, better bushings, dual steering arms, etc. Ford is using "lowest cost" parts and engineering. Caster alignment is usually the quickest fix as Ford's factory tolerances have alot of slop. They claim its a "wear and tear" issue, but some folks have reported this under 20k miles. It's important to note that "death wobble" is not a Ford specific issue and can manifest itself on any live front axle.
Using a straight/live axle is the problem. You can’t fix this issue because it’s a consequence of the design. CV axles resolve this problem but most people complain they are weak and easily broken.
Got lost in the music and footage and forgot I was watching a Death-Wobble video. Bravo Sir.
Thanks for sharing the info. Makes life easier for us you tubers!👍
So,....what was your Caster set at? How many degrees. The dual set-up is great, but from what appears to be the real fix is increasing the caster above 4-5 degrees.
Was it -5 degrees caster to max it out?
Not sure why he’s not responding. 🤷♂️
Love your truck and i know your a ford guy but when i saw it on the lift i was shocked to see 70s technology on such a nice truck. The stabilizers will fix your problem though.
Does this wobble happen in the 2015 F250? I have a 2015 crew cab with 8’ bed. I pull a 34’ Outback. I have never experienced a wobble. I bought the truck as certified vehicle 8n 2018 @ 38,000 miles. I believe it has @ leveling kit and is a 4WD.
This is such an awesome channel, so much great and knowledgeable content!
My daughter lives in Flag, just graduated from NAU in November, it was neat to see all the snow that you got last week. Love following your adventures. Love to see you around town when I come out to visit her from Ohio
Trying fixing the death wobble by buying a GM. LOL Love the videos! Keep them up!
Chevys is called the "Chevy Shake". I know, I had one.
@@daviddouglass7662 hmm....I have had many and never had that problem.
I have my own unique deaf wobble.
I known it's working when I hear (incessantly)....."Are you listening to me?" 🤔 😉
Beautiful drive and I kept thinking this spring the Desert is going to explode with Flowers.
You guys are awesome, God bless! Keep living the dream .
Every time I have had auto work done buy a guy with a huge beard it’s been done right.
I’d love to know Fords reply to this video, knowing how many followers you have. I am shopping a larger TV as I watch this added expense.
I was towing yesterday and stopped 5 lanes of Colorado Springs traffic with my Death Wobble experience. Nothing like your vid of one hand on the wheel. Both of my hands were sore it was that extreme. Grooved Concrete is the worst and the end of a bridge for initiating DW. Today I dropped the loaded trailer and the experience was minute in comparison. The 3 dealerships I called and the one I drove to all lied about the fix. They offered for $300 to change out the Steering dampener. When I stated I changed to mine last week they offered to replace it again for the same fee. I have driven 48,000 miles in the last 7 months most of which includes 26,000 lbs and a 40' gooseneck flatbed.
The one thing I wish you had included here is the Number of Caster the alignment shop used to correct. As a UA-camr myself I must Commend you on the quality of picture and editing. Be Blessed
Thanks for the correct pronunciation of “Prescott.” Lol! Those of us from their appreciate it!
Today's episode was great just as always. By the way, me and my family have been watching your channel for awhile now, and your guys amazing videos have inspired me to make a movie based off of you. I have been working on it for awhile and it is finally done. It is called Furret's Grand Vacation and it is a funny movie about a creature who goes on a realistic RV trip across The United States. I would love for you guys to see it, I want to know what you think of it.
Send us the link. Email is on our website.
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I love how 20 years have passed by and everyone still uses the classic Jeep Wrangler (TJ) diagram of the front end components!
And EVERYBODY that knows that diagram knows a steering stabilizer will not fix death wobble.
@@OmahaWayne Haha - exactly. Us TJ owners know that fact the best!
On my '17 Super Duty, the DW started around 27k miles. It was into the dealer 4 times before Ford replaced everything in the front end. When I got the truck back from my dealer, everything in the front end was shiny black brand new. I also did the same thing Marc did with enhancing and improving the steering by installing a PMF dual steering stabilizer. So far at 43k miles, the DW hasn't reappeared.
Thank you so much! I got the Icon kit and fuel tank in the cart just waiting until tomorrow to get my KYD discount
Has any of the KYD family who owns a Chevrolet have any death wobble issues?
You can’t really have death wobble on an IFS and CV setup. Each wheel on the ends of the axle have to be able to affect one another for this consequence to occur. This is not the case with a CV axle setup.
my favorite line "Cut that"
Thanks for the early morning ride into town...views were stunning.
Mark, while we’re on the topic on trucks, are you aware your front camera has a washer built in? Select the front camera view, then press and hold your windshield washer button. Watch your camera screen when you do that.
My buddy has a roll off dumpster business he had this happen and traded it in for a Chevy.
That's the best fix, you folks have to try a 2021 Duramax.
2021 Duaramax (L5P) is the same as the 2017-2020. L5P came out on 2017
So, I have to ask it’s been four months since the addition of the icon stabilizer kit have you had any problems with it or have you experienced another “death wobble” episode since the install?
We need to know
Thanks for sharing the fix to this problem always look forward to yalls video.
My 2005 Excursion was cured by a caster adjustment made via F450 front springs and x code rear springs which gave a nice 3 inch lift. Combined with an adjustable Trac bar and aftermarket steering stabilizer it was rock solid. Leaf springs aside, It's amazing how similar the new superdutys are underneath.
Wow, should I feel disappointed because I didn’t have (get) to buy and do all that stuff to my GMC? Talk about putting a spin…
Exactly. Only GM has it right using IFS.
Except that you'll just bend your tie rods instead if you actually pull heavy lol
@@evictioncarpentry2628 nah
You payed how much for this Ford and have to fix something called the “death wobble “. Not good!
Any vehicle with a live front 4x4 axle is going to possibly exhibit this issue, Dana, American Axle, etc. They all do it, Jeeps and Dodge trucks are especially known for it. I haven't experienced it with my very worn 2004 Ford F-250 SD. Some trucks do it, some don't.
@@Edwardmodos Still should be completely fixed by Ford or who ever produced the vehicle. I wonder if the extra weight of a diesel motor helps to contribute to wear? My son is a mechanical engineer and he told me there are fixes but the big companies refuse to put the money or engineering into a fix in the first place. I understand wear parts go south after many miles but not 30,000. Safety should not be optional.
Agree. Ford should be reimbursing costs
Had a dodge with the same issue.
Not a 2500 Chevy, independent suspension
Enjoyed your video! Great that your Ford enables you to meet great mechanics!
Well done and most informative, thanks!
I have the answer! Buy a chevy!😉❤
Chevy looks like and old man's Truck Fords are Sexy!
Chevy not the answer
I’m curious. You have a truck with a known serious design defect that the manufacturer has no solution for. Why are KYD and others so in love with Ford? If I had one of these trucks I’d be looking to switch brands.
I would also disagree that you’ve solved the problem. Based on what you said the kit you installed will hopefully mitigate the wear issues but that’s really an unknown. The joint could wear again and put you back in the same place though the kit may mitigate the effects of a worn joint. It’s a bit of an unknown.
Awesome video once again, i've been learning alot from you guys. I told my wife we have to come up with a youtube name for ourself when we start traveling. Of cousre she laught.
Perfect video Mark. I've been through this DW ordeal on 3 different trucks. The steering damper Ford is putting on for a fix, is just a band aid.
On the three trucks I went through this with, part of my problem was tires and air pressure. I found that the stock 20" Michelin tires have a weak side wall. If the air pressure drops below 70psi, the carcass of the tire works with the loose joints and makes it far worse.
So anyone that experiences dw, try airing up your pressure as a temp fix until you can get the loose joints replaced.
Great video Mark.
What is Ford Engineering to eliminate this in future productions of Heavy Duty Trucks? That is something i would be interested in.
Nothing. Been doing this for years. My 2012 does it, or did until I applied the correct fix, and it isn't putting band aid shocks on either. It's all in the alignment.
Lots of people prevent the death wobble on Fords by going to their local Dodge dealer and getting a Ram. :)
Loved the drive time and tunes!
Stoked at the awesome snow footage out there. 🤙🏼😎