A CHASSIS ENGINEER Solved My F-250 DEATH WOBBLE So CarMax Wouldn't Have To

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  • An engineer reached out to me after I made the last video about my F-250 and said he could solve the dreaded excessive wheel oscillation. Roy knows this issue inside and out and had a few simple tests we could run on the truck to quickly pin point the cause of the death wobble. Within minutes we found the problem and spent the rest of our time trying to reproduce it, which happens to be one of the hardest problems techs face. If you can't properly diagnose it the truck gets a steering stabilizer and kicked back down the road to fail again in a few thousand miles as the stabilizer wears out. I also have it on pretty good authority that CarMax doesn't work on heavy duty trucks at all so all of this is actually being done at a Ford dealer down the road. Can't really blame the greatest car dealership ever, they're just writing a check.
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  • @WatchJRGo
    @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +286

    I CAN’T tell you where Roy works... but he lives in Detroit 🤔

    • @sirroundsound9104
      @sirroundsound9104 3 роки тому +42

      He got mob ties?

    • @spuwho
      @spuwho 3 роки тому +8

      Your cousin from Michigan? Isn't his dad the one who did transmissions at GM?

    • @tengu190
      @tengu190 3 роки тому

      I drive a 2004 F250 2V V10 and never had that issue. Am I going to have that problem on a newer 2010 F-350 3V V10?

    • @benk3431
      @benk3431 3 роки тому +6

      Chop shop?

    • @TylerDuysen
      @TylerDuysen 3 роки тому +1

      @@spuwho shh

  • @ninerout399
    @ninerout399 3 роки тому +105

    Claiming this has been solved without showing actual proof is not an accurate description at all.

    • @aabidamn
      @aabidamn 3 роки тому +2

      @Bob Watters I'm sure that a few thousand miles after this fix, he'd let us know whether it worked or not. Somehow I trust a qualified chassis engineer more than random people on the internet.

    • @youtube2kwatcher
      @youtube2kwatcher 3 роки тому +5

      clickbait

    • @MegaTapdog
      @MegaTapdog 4 місяці тому

      how would you show proof?
      that’s a silly statement, think about it. you going to show a truck that’s not shaking?

    • @russellvonastel7111
      @russellvonastel7111 3 місяці тому +1

      Get a life

    • @HotrodClassics-nm6hz
      @HotrodClassics-nm6hz 23 дні тому +1

      Camber Caster Alignment Bushing Set For Ford amazon

  • @aabidamn
    @aabidamn 3 роки тому +257

    His barber is more deadly than the death wobble.

    • @Hotlog69
      @Hotlog69 3 роки тому +13

      I mean what is that!? A little Lloyd Christmas action going on?

    • @jerrinhowell849
      @jerrinhowell849 3 роки тому +1

      😂😂 true

    • @macbook802
      @macbook802 3 роки тому +5

      He’s hiding his bald spot instead of getting sponsored by keeps

    • @marcmo7138
      @marcmo7138 3 роки тому +3

      I told him to get rid of the Moe cut last upload

    • @chase5676
      @chase5676 3 роки тому

      Mad ugly

  • @littlee.4723
    @littlee.4723 3 роки тому +22

    A couple things from experience working on front ends. I first encountered "death wobble" back in the 80's on 70's Chevy 4x4's. They used a solid axle and Ford didn't. Fixes were 2 fold. Caster setting of (min) 3 degs+ , 4 deg + is better, and a steering damper on the center link between the wheels. Camber and toe set to factory specs. On some trucks we have made custom bushings or shims to get the desired results. This has resulted in 0 comebacks and very happy customers. Take what im saying for the price you paid for it, but if you disagree ask any custom motorcycle builder about front end geometry.

  • @klaw163
    @klaw163 3 роки тому +37

    Title correction "a chassis engineer speculates why my truck death wobbles" I see nothing solved here.

    • @miketype1each
      @miketype1each 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, like, what was the solution?

    • @klaw163
      @klaw163 3 роки тому +3

      @@miketype1each Right? And it can't be worn parts because these are having the wobble issue right off the new car lot

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 3 роки тому +2

      It’s clickbait

    • @Thunderbird-2
      @Thunderbird-2 2 місяці тому

      "UA-camr guesses the cause of death wobble... Blames Everything."

  • @nickloss
    @nickloss 3 роки тому +268

    I'd bet money that death wobble was the reason they sold it to carmax

    • @BlooMule
      @BlooMule 3 роки тому +9

      That and the trailer/no trailer chime

    • @edwardfullerton9569
      @edwardfullerton9569 3 роки тому +6

      How many solid front axel vehicles have you owned?

    • @jaycevessier7554
      @jaycevessier7554 3 роки тому +1

      @@BlooMule my work truck did that, it was a bad trailer plug harness, easy fix

    • @chazzcoolidge2654
      @chazzcoolidge2654 3 роки тому +1

      Or they quickly realized the mistake with buying a "Fucked or Raped Daily" truck.

    • @mattieice4689
      @mattieice4689 3 роки тому +3

      @@chazzcoolidge2654 So what do you drive?
      Toolbag.

  • @DounutCereal
    @DounutCereal 3 роки тому +174

    Roy seems like a really cool guy, we need him back for another video

    • @FloridaGuy549
      @FloridaGuy549 3 роки тому +3

      I agree, he is obviously a wealth of knowledge and his ability to explain what he is doing and looking for is quite easy to follow and understand.
      You need him back a lot!

    • @adamjackson9988
      @adamjackson9988 3 роки тому +3

      @@FloridaGuy549 right, he used the right number of the right words, not too hard, not too soft.

    • @modernlooks7041
      @modernlooks7041 3 роки тому

      Noo... we really dOnT

    • @adamjackson9988
      @adamjackson9988 3 роки тому

      Motown philly back again...

  • @thethepete731
    @thethepete731 3 роки тому +14

    As a licensed technician with most of my career spent working on Super Duties for a living, I appreciated this video. It was the most accurate, and non-bullshit video I've seen in a while. And thank you for addressing the fact that dampers are just a bandaid.
    Also, fwiw, that RH lower TRE is always sloppy a brand new one will have a bit of play. That drag link end was whooped though, and almost guaranteed the issue.
    Shocks, jounce the front end with 2 or 3 big bounces, and watch the vehicle. It should settle after 1-1.5 oscillations.
    A roadforce is mostly just to chase hard to catch issues, or imbalances. Cross rotating your tires will help isolate it too.

    • @BreakerBreaker1320
      @BreakerBreaker1320 9 місяців тому

      There are heavier one piece drag links available to replace the factory’s weak oem parts which help get rid of death wobble.

    • @MegaTapdog
      @MegaTapdog 4 місяці тому

      try and do a “jounce” on a 1 ton front end hahaha😅
      you would be lucky to get it give you half an inch of a bounce.

    • @thethepete731
      @thethepete731 4 місяці тому

      @@MegaTapdog try harder? I weigh 195lbs and don't seem to have an issue. F550 will even move if you want it to. There's also a reason for service intervals.

    • @tomking5822
      @tomking5822 21 день тому

      Ford knew the problem, but refuses to correct it that is bullshit

  • @jjlegend3922
    @jjlegend3922 3 роки тому +2

    These type of videos save my ass all the time.
    I only know how to wrench on stuff, because I grew up with friends who built their own cars. I still don't know what I'm doing a lot of the time, and videos like this where you show everything, help me, a noob, diagnose my mini-fleet a little easier!
    10 years ago, I would've never pictured myself with a lift, and tools, and working on my own cars, but here I am. And you youtubers make it so much better for me.

  • @actschp1
    @actschp1 3 роки тому +205

    JR sporting that Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber bowl cut.

    • @WatchJRGo
      @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +95

      I’m so mad, the barber said it was my fault 🤷🏻‍♂️ He just cut it last month and I said to do the exact same thing, Caesar with a 1.5.
      Plaza Barbers in Andover, KS did this. It’s getting fixed by a real barber tomorrow.

    • @daytonafuntim
      @daytonafuntim 3 роки тому +24

      @@WatchJRGo $40-50 clippers at Walmart and you'll never pay for another haircut. :)

    • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
      @InsideOfMyOwnMind 3 роки тому +5

      @@daytonafuntim Just shave the damn thing. No more barbers, no more shampoo and conditioner, cleaner, cooler in summer, I could go on. And this coming from someone who identifies more with hair down to my elbows. Never again.

    • @michaelayliffe7238
      @michaelayliffe7238 3 роки тому

      Well done

    • @melvingibson4525
      @melvingibson4525 3 роки тому +7

      @@WatchJRGo at least you fessed up to it looking goofy I give you props

  • @bsurnsur
    @bsurnsur 3 роки тому +126

    Looks like your barber was in the middle of a death wobble

  • @curtis1951
    @curtis1951 3 роки тому +94

    I think the worn suspension isn't causing the death wobble it's more like the death wobble causes the worn suspension components.

    • @chazzcoolidge2654
      @chazzcoolidge2654 3 роки тому +11

      Or it could be just a shitty suspension design,hmm?

    • @curtis1951
      @curtis1951 3 роки тому +3

      @@chazzcoolidge2654
      Yeah. I saw another video where an aftermarket company makes a kit to add a little caster angle to the front end.

    • @Yophillips3272
      @Yophillips3272 3 роки тому +5

      I feel like it's the Electronic power steering, my sister's mercury mariner was doing something very similar, the steering wheel would move back and forth by itself, very quickly did it in park and drive. I mean there's trucks 20+yrs old with completely worn out suspension that don't "death wobble" Look what's changed in these newer trucks that's the weak link. Adaptive Steering or whatever my educated guess, especially if the issue is intermittent.

    • @FrankieJames7
      @FrankieJames7 3 роки тому +1

      @@Yophillips3272 a dana 60 f450 will death wobble, you sure as hell better hope you don't have a car hooked on the wrecker when it does too. it's a common problem on straight axle vehicles. why it's never been fixed, idk

    • @Yophillips3272
      @Yophillips3272 3 роки тому

      @@FrankieJames7 I'm sure your right. It's just the term "death wobble" that threw me off, because my Honda steering wheel shakes and feels like the cars falling apart after hitting potholes and it definitely doesn't have a solid Axle lol

  • @gregnixon1296
    @gregnixon1296 3 роки тому +1

    If everyone had a chassis engineer to fix what dealerships will not, it would be a great thing. Dealerships are in sales, not creating remedies for bad products.

  • @michaelreynolds1904
    @michaelreynolds1904 3 роки тому +90

    Dude, the Lloyd Christmas look is an interesting change.

  • @acdii
    @acdii 3 роки тому +1

    Finally, someone who knows his shit. 99% of all Death Wobble cases can be traced to either a worn part, or bad alignment, Most likely both. Usually adjusting the Caster to 4* or more cures it once and for all, but you need the proper shims. Factory max is 3.4* Struck a bullseye on the trailer issue too, corrosion or loose pin in the harness somewhere.
    To best envision Death wobble, find a shopping cart with one of those wonky wheels. Thats exactly what the truck is doing. Changing the angle the wheel pivots at on the vertical to have the top lean back a bit more corrects it. Downside is the steering is stiffer and returns to center much faster, which is what you want! If you have this, forget the dealer, forget Carmax, find a GOOD alignment shop that deals with trucks and have them replace the spindle cams for more caster adjustment and lean that baby back. You wont need no stinking steering damper!

  • @williambranham6249
    @williambranham6249 2 роки тому +1

    Give it back to CarMax. I believe they have a 3 day return. I like ole Roy. He didn't act like an engineer, just a goofy friend. You know he's just a guy you like.

  • @Saturn-iv4dj
    @Saturn-iv4dj 3 роки тому +133

    I'm just here to read the comments about JR's haircut 😭😭😭

    • @sunnohh
      @sunnohh 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, it is unfortunate, normally a good looking boy, lol

    • @nosaint01
      @nosaint01 3 роки тому +7

      would of been a good time to introduce a watch JRGO hat....

    • @super_populr
      @super_populr 3 роки тому

      Damnit you beat me to it!

    • @williamwhite9767
      @williamwhite9767 3 роки тому +2

      His sideburns were tickling his girl friends legs.

    • @SomeBigFatGuy
      @SomeBigFatGuy 3 роки тому +2

      @@williamwhite9767 is she even around anymore? I liked the girlfriend episodes (or any other ones with friends and family).

  • @schalkvandermerwe4160
    @schalkvandermerwe4160 3 роки тому +33

    JR after the haircut: “It looks great thanks”🥺

  • @brianlanning836
    @brianlanning836 3 роки тому +10

    5:14 If all it takes to start death wobble is three year old, but otherwise fine tires, then the truck has a design flaw.

    • @Aldo-zp8wk
      @Aldo-zp8wk 3 роки тому +6

      This guy is so full of it..3 year old tires old?

  • @curtis1951
    @curtis1951 3 роки тому +12

    Apparently ford doesn't have any chassis engineers working for them. 😂

  • @jooseppiluna5717
    @jooseppiluna5717 3 роки тому +3

    Videos like this are awesome. I had some basic suspension diagnosis techniques in my back pocket, but all this info is fascinating and really helpful. Roy is an awesome guest.

  • @urntwrthyZ
    @urntwrthyZ 3 роки тому +24

    "Solved" is a bit premature.

  • @steventorman3993
    @steventorman3993 3 роки тому +3

    Love Roy's input, can tell the difference between an engineer diagnosis and a technician's

  • @TheRetroNobody
    @TheRetroNobody 3 роки тому +1

    Just like you guys did here, watching the suspension for movement is key. I had an XJ with bad wobble after a lift. We focused on the lift parts being the issue. Ended up being a wallowed out bolt hole in the axle side track bar mount. Installed a wider bolt to eliminate the slack and it took care of it.

  • @charlescummings2205
    @charlescummings2205 3 роки тому +17

    It looks like J.R. is about to look in the camera and yell " Are you not entertained?"

    • @EAC202
      @EAC202 3 роки тому

      I actually lol'd

  • @repairupdaterepeat5815
    @repairupdaterepeat5815 3 роки тому +222

    In the uk that ball joint would have failed the mot. That haircut would have failed your dignity

    • @ryguy57106
      @ryguy57106 3 роки тому +2

      😂😂

    • @madmatt2024
      @madmatt2024 3 роки тому +5

      They most likely wouldn't even see it. Those joints on these trucks are spring loaded and you literally won't see any movement checking them on a lift unless you really pry on them.

    • @repairupdaterepeat5815
      @repairupdaterepeat5815 3 роки тому +2

      @@madmatt2024 it would fail on the split boots/dust covers.
      They use bars to swing on the ball joints and bushes In an mot. If it was a dealer the shaker plates would pick it up but over here most back street mot centres dont use them. Just the good old crowbar

    • @madmatt2024
      @madmatt2024 3 роки тому +3

      @@repairupdaterepeat5815 The issue with that is some if those spring loaded joints are actually designed to have a slight amount of up down movement when new. We can't fail a vehicle for loose ball joints in NY simply because some vehicles had them with slight up down movement by design and the state had to remove the rule because brand new cars were failing. As for the boots, failing for that is laughable. It's worth warning the customer so they can anticipated the cost or replacement within the year but not failure. You can also get grease showing like that on a joint that was simply overgreased, not torn.

    • @repairupdaterepeat5815
      @repairupdaterepeat5815 3 роки тому

      @@madmatt2024 we get them joints more on lgv/hgv applications. Theres lots down to the discretion of the tester but if like on the video theres 2 ball joints, one has a fair amount of play and the other hasn't then he'd fail the loose one.
      There is some absolute bullshit rules for our mot's. Any warning lights are a failure. Balljoint dustcover, indicators flashing at an incorrect rate all failure. We had s van fail at work because of "object fitted to fro t windscreen area blocking drivers firlf of view." That was an air freshener hung on the rear view mirror.

  • @tangydiesel1886
    @tangydiesel1886 3 роки тому +2

    Another thing on the alignment.
    If you normally carry a lot of weight in the bed, get it aligned with the weight in it. A lot of people take an empty truck to get aligned, then load it up and have issues show up. The steering geometry changes when it's loaded.

  • @ajw828
    @ajw828 3 роки тому

    Having never been under one of these trucks, wow there sure is a lot going on! I'm glad y'all were able to diagnose it so quickly. Hope CarMax & Ford get it taken care of quickly!

  • @houseofno
    @houseofno 3 роки тому +85

    Next up, getting a haircut engineer to fix JRGO's haircut. LOL...

    • @evanm9026
      @evanm9026 3 роки тому +1

      Very true

    • @JoeB3477
      @JoeB3477 3 роки тому +1

      Looks great. Stud.

    • @nellof1244
      @nellof1244 3 роки тому

      YES!!!!! PLEASE!!!

    • @bubbie3533
      @bubbie3533 3 роки тому

      @@JoeB3477 "Stud" 😂😂

    • @dleef911
      @dleef911 2 роки тому

      Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber haircut

  • @GrandMoffJoseph
    @GrandMoffJoseph 3 роки тому +9

    I honestly don't understand how any manufacturer (Ford, Jeep, etc) ever let a single vehicle out of the factory with a known flaw of that magnitude. They're extremely lucky they don't have customers crashing by the dozens every week because of some clearly bad design work.

    • @timothystockstill7668
      @timothystockstill7668 Рік тому +1

      All manufacturers I first heard of death warble in high school with jeeps 40 years ago but Ford Chevy Dodge even semi's will do it more common in the straight axle 4x4 type axle not so common on independent a arm type suspension

    • @tomking5822
      @tomking5822 21 день тому

      Ford is still under lawsuit for the defective parts that's has caused crashes and deaths

  • @jonbold
    @jonbold 3 роки тому +6

    You missed it. At 7:03 notice how axle is moving laterally relative to the frame. On the road the steering would be counter-oscillating because the steering is stiffer than the springs.

  • @michael931
    @michael931 3 роки тому +24

    9:35 that was .002" not .030"

    • @jakawild6496
      @jakawild6496 3 роки тому

      Right?! I saw that and thought, what is gauge is that dude looking at?

    • @roostertn
      @roostertn 3 роки тому +1

      Metric? Anyway its the panhard rod, their always bad. It should be test in its natural position. Not at a bound angle hanging.

  • @dirtycomment2324
    @dirtycomment2324 3 роки тому +103

    Please keep roasting JRs haircut

    • @elGamiReal
      @elGamiReal 3 роки тому +5

      Uh it's just bad

    • @louiecuhh1166
      @louiecuhh1166 3 роки тому +5

      Looking like Harry off dumb and dummer wtf

    • @georgobergfell
      @georgobergfell 3 роки тому +4

      Looks like someone used a cooking pot to cut around

    • @michaelreynolds1904
      @michaelreynolds1904 3 роки тому +4

      @@louiecuhh1166 you mean Lloyd Christmas in Dumb and Dumber.

    • @turfguy420
      @turfguy420 3 роки тому

      Like he was riding a motorcycle backwards.....

  • @davontamontgomery2619
    @davontamontgomery2619 3 роки тому +20

    They could of gave JrGO a decent fade blended it a lil more

  • @2vcrew782
    @2vcrew782 3 роки тому +1

    I’ve seen way too many of these. I was huge in the JEEP community and I use to get calls all the time about death wobble. Mechanics seems to get stumped easier when it’s a newer vehicle because they look past new parts or design flaws. Good content!
    Edit: As a mechanic I can affirm way too many people cheap out or look past tire issues. I always tell customers it’s the only part of the vehicle that should be making contact with the road, bad tires = bad times.

  • @deerepower337
    @deerepower337 3 роки тому +5

    It’s amazing you guys never mentioned or even touched the track bar

  • @jonsingle1614
    @jonsingle1614 3 роки тому +24

    JR ....I need a haircut.....can I borrow your bowl ??

  • @trevors.3791
    @trevors.3791 3 роки тому +28

    I’m just here to wind up in the screenshots about the barber.

  • @itsnotme07
    @itsnotme07 3 роки тому +1

    When in doubt, bring in a factory chassis engineer. Nicely done Roy!
    On that deductible....should you even have to pay it since they didn't fix it from the last visit. Doesn't hurt to point that out.

  • @jumpinjimmyg2164
    @jumpinjimmyg2164 3 роки тому +10

    Usually its the track bar, it's literally the link that controls side to side axle motion, maybe put some poly bushings in it.

    • @patrickm3534
      @patrickm3534 3 роки тому +9

      Yeah I would say the ball joint on the track bar is bad. That axle was really moving for not having any weight on it. They named everything in the suspension except the most common problem.

    • @jjcuriel5142
      @jjcuriel5142 3 роки тому

      Yup,

    • @olewangler
      @olewangler 3 роки тому +1

      Sorry guys, this may fix some trucks but it didn’t fix mine, dual stabilizer kit fixed mine after I had complete rebuild of the front end top to bottom. Oh and brand new tires didn’t fix it either. One and only true fix is a fixed axle stabilizer, just like the pre 2005 trucks had.

  • @100PercentJake
    @100PercentJake 3 роки тому +6

    I can't believe any tech looked at that truck and didn't replace that sector arm immediately with the split boot.

    • @hungryjack8032
      @hungryjack8032 3 роки тому

      Split boot doesn't mean the part is not performing properly. The grease will seep out and eventually the dried part will not perform correctly. Torn boots by themselves do not cause death wobble. Its always customers choice which parts get replaced.

  • @kurzhaarguy
    @kurzhaarguy 3 роки тому +3

    Oh, my, God! I’ve been explaining this exact thing-precisely the same-to my dealer for more than a year. Now I have a video to testify.

    • @josueosorio5412
      @josueosorio5412 3 роки тому +1

      josue osorio
      Some guys put a dual steering dampener. Again that is not a real fix but tell your dealer the procedure to correct this issue was updated on feb 26 2021 , i bet ya your track bar ball joint on the axle side is worn out . Many techs nationwide don’t do their homework before starting a diag.
      Good luck bud

    • @kurzhaarguy
      @kurzhaarguy 3 роки тому

      @@josueosorio5412 Thanks very much. I just got mine back, after showing them this vid, and explaining that I didn't want it back until they addressed it. They had simply replaced the dampener for the third time. On my way home, it wobbled for 10 miles. Very frustrating.

    • @kurzhaarguy
      @kurzhaarguy 3 роки тому

      @@josueosorio5412 is there a Technical Service Bulletin associated with this? I need to give them specific references. Frankly, this is a poor dealership and their legal record shows it.

    • @josueosorio5412
      @josueosorio5412 3 роки тому +1

      No tsb, The diagnosis procedure for this issue has been updated on the workshop manual according to my dealer.
      My dealer got mine fixed : the repair report or tech story says tech “used workshop manual section 211-03 / steering linkage under symptom chart - abnormal steering wheel oscillation , pin point test A steps 1 through 6 replaced track bar...
      (Mine was a track bar issue yours could be something different but always related to steering linkages and joints)
      A competitive dealer will go an extra step to have you fixed.

    • @kurzhaarguy
      @kurzhaarguy 3 роки тому

      @@josueosorio5412 Good advice. Thanks. I'm going to try a couple different dealers and see if they'll give a different response. I don't know about you, but, after paying $85k for a truck, it is very frustrating not to be able to get this fixed.

  • @stoicspawn3936
    @stoicspawn3936 3 роки тому

    Very informative. This is why I started watching your channel, vehicle knowledge. Thank you.

  • @Mac-kb2yf
    @Mac-kb2yf 3 роки тому +1

    Very interesting point of view I’m a mechanic of 15 years and every time I hear a customer come in with a death wobble (lately been nothing but these newer fords) low miles I mean as low at 9,000 miles and the drag link is always worn out that’s the first go to then check the steering stabilizer those are usually shot if not very weak then we usually put aftermarket dual steering stabilizers on, even then we’ve had some still death wobble, Btw a road force balance measures how round the tire is the side to side balance is called dynamic balance up and down is called static, good luck to anyone with this problem it can be a real headache

  • @bewareofwil
    @bewareofwil 3 роки тому +5

    For most of the video, I thought his friend was wearing a chain. Then I realized it was just the zipper.

  • @Cookie-Dough-Dynamo
    @Cookie-Dough-Dynamo 3 роки тому +3

    Any old timers here? My dad's old dodge, the one with the steering BOX, had a worn box with tons of slop. No death wobble. It just drifted left to right constantly.
    My old ranger, two blown ball joints in the control arms and worn out steering rack and your rod ends. 360,000 miles. No death wobble.
    This is a design issue. I would bet the geometry was set in such a way that the toe and castor are too neutral. The components don't load up to a safe position while driving. Instead, because of the light/neutral geometry, the slop in the components load and unload causing the death wobble.

    • @robert5
      @robert5 Рік тому

      You are right, too little caster in these trucks so when the steering parts start to get loose there is not enough caster to stabilize the front end. Less or neutral caster is the cause along with the other worn loose parts.

  • @sarahdell4042
    @sarahdell4042 3 роки тому +1

    Your experience with this truck, makes me never want to sell my Cayenne which is always used to constantly tow. Shockingly reliable!

  • @chiluco2000
    @chiluco2000 3 роки тому

    A big thanks to Roy for sharing his knowledge! 👍👍👍

  • @einfelder8262
    @einfelder8262 3 роки тому +13

    7:06 The whole front axle is moving side to side, apart from the more obvious fault pointed out by Roy. Panhard bushes sloppy for sure. Roy missed that.

    • @danieljones317
      @danieljones317 3 роки тому +2

      Death wobbles can be the result of different parts going out.
      No two are the same.
      Replace the whole front end, and it might still wobble.

    • @einfelder8262
      @einfelder8262 3 роки тому

      @@danieljones317 I own a Patrol, so am well experienced in death wobbles. Tyres are a major culprit, along with panhard bushes, bearings, rod ends. And yes, you can fix everything (seemingly) and they will still wobble, but it means you misses something like maybe castor correction.

    • @danieljones317
      @danieljones317 3 роки тому +1

      @@einfelder8262 personally, I think it's bad design.
      The setup has way too much inherent flexibility, for one thing.
      The axle is heavy enough to override any correction that the bushings can give.
      That being said, there is one sure fix for it.
      First, do away with the rubber, across the board.
      For the parts that have to deal with direct shock, go to a polyurethane bush that is double the durometer of the original rubber bush.
      Leaf spring eyes, especially.
      The panhandle bar bushes should be replaced with something even less forgiving, such as delrin or nylon, and the should have a way to lubricate and seal the unit.
      Delrin for the axle mounts of the stabilizer bar, and polyurethane for the end mounts, if not doing away with them and using ball joints.
      The upper and lower ball joints replaced as a matter of course.
      Tie rod ends inspected, and possibly replaced.
      Wheel bearings replaced as a matter of course.
      If there is a steering damper, it should be replaced with one that has more damping effect.
      Rebalance the front wheels, and if the tires show any uneven wear, even if they are not out of balance, they should be rotated out, or replaced.
      I, personally, would also be inspecting the frame for cracks, especially around the welds.
      A frame that is rusted thin will have more flexibility, and can help to exacerbate the oscillation due to lack of resistance to flexibility.
      Even body bushings and mounts should be inspected, as that can set up harmonics.

  • @Lobo_cafetero
    @Lobo_cafetero 3 роки тому +20

    I would love a video of just venting about that haircut!

  • @moomae1
    @moomae1 3 роки тому

    Really cool you had an engineer come and resolve that issue.

  • @Anonymous-it5jw
    @Anonymous-it5jw 3 роки тому +1

    Great to have a suspension expert figure out how Ford designed the death wobble into those trucks, and how to fix it. Thanks for the video.

    • @ironmike742
      @ironmike742 8 місяців тому

      It's not a Ford problem. All makes and models can have a death wobble.

  • @brandonmauldin711
    @brandonmauldin711 3 роки тому +4

    Please make a follow video of what they do to resolve this. I’d love to know the steps they take and I hope your truck ends up riding like a champ.

  • @pablopicaro7649
    @pablopicaro7649 3 роки тому +27

    This is Sammy Hagar's Truck - Cant Drive 55

    • @markh.6687
      @markh.6687 3 роки тому

      "It wobbles right, and it wobbles left!
      And it might just cause my untimely death!
      The dealership is clueless, of course,
      I bough a Ford, I shoulda bough a horse
      I said Yeeeaah Oh Yeaaah!
      I can't drive my Ford over 55,
      Unless I decide that I want to die,
      Take my 150 to the roadside
      I can't drive over 55!"

  • @jasonlovell3934
    @jasonlovell3934 3 роки тому

    I have been driving Jeeps since the early 90’s and I learned a few things about the front end from this video. You can also put your finger on the tie rod ends to feel for play. Also need to check for play in the control arms or leaf spring bushings. But most of all look at tires out of balance or cheap steel wheels that are not straight.

  • @BreakerBreaker1320
    @BreakerBreaker1320 9 місяців тому

    My 2016 had it. I added a front receiver hitch and stiffened up the frame and it is gone. Nothing else was worn enough to replace. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks, these frames on the front end are not stiff enough and the excessive movement prematurely wears out the steering assembly because its not heavy enough. Once I connected the front frame rails with a 2” receiver hitch, the death wobble has been gone since. I also lowered air pressure to 55 psi because these trucks require E-rated tires with an incredibly stiff sidewall. Once you put the weight of your vehicle on the front end, you can see the issues but in the air on a lift, you are not 100% going to be able to diagnose worn links in the steering assembly unless it is terribly bad. Replace the drag link on that truck with a heavier aftermarket unit and get rid of that split collar oem unit.

  • @tuneskramer69
    @tuneskramer69 3 роки тому +5

    Next time give Roy a wig, we have the perfect Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne 😂

  • @dirtycomment2324
    @dirtycomment2324 3 роки тому +131

    Haircut looking pretty bad JR
    “Watch JR go to a NY barbershop 💈 “ next episode please

    • @Chris-hw4mq
      @Chris-hw4mq 3 роки тому +1

      What do you care how he looks ?

    • @Mistr_A
      @Mistr_A 3 роки тому +9

      @@Chris-hw4mq it's all part of his image that is a terrible haircut

    • @vanhelsing4602
      @vanhelsing4602 3 роки тому +5

      Queer eye for a straight guy

    • @Mistr_A
      @Mistr_A 3 роки тому +4

      @@vanhelsing4602 must be a yank thing no idea what you are talking about

    • @Ultimra
      @Ultimra 3 роки тому +5

      love the man but it definitely looks like an elementary school boy haircut lol

  • @IzzyAlicea-wh4ry
    @IzzyAlicea-wh4ry 3 місяці тому +2

    Good Day Brother, all the information that you give on the Death Wobble is Excellent information & very true. People need to know that bigger tires are a different issue. Great Video, Lives Matter!! 🤝

  • @Onlooker71
    @Onlooker71 3 роки тому

    Definitely need to have Roy back again for more videos. Super knowledgeable guy.

  • @MVARacing
    @MVARacing 3 роки тому +11

    Ehhhhh, that is a .001 graduation dial indicator. So you have .003" of play and not .030"

    • @blacksrt8300c
      @blacksrt8300c 3 роки тому +7

      Yep, I don’t know how much you can trust an engineer that can’t tell the difference between .03 and .003

    • @robertsieber8374
      @robertsieber8374 3 роки тому

      I was just thinking the same thing watching the video.

    • @keithwiebe1787
      @keithwiebe1787 3 роки тому

      @@blacksrt8300c And didn't the engineer say the road force balancer checks side to side wobble? No, it only checks up and down movement that I'm aware. We don't have a road force model at work. I work at the Carmax he takes it to but don't work on the retail side. I'll mention this video tomorrow and see what they say. I can't say too much though.

    • @watchjaredwork1487
      @watchjaredwork1487 3 роки тому +2

      @@blacksrt8300c most engineers these days especially for big companies like ummmm that one lol never touch hand tools. All their work is done on a computer.

  • @danielscanlon5815
    @danielscanlon5815 3 роки тому +21

    that dude's high af

    • @rodknockroysgarage4857
      @rodknockroysgarage4857 3 роки тому +5

      Driving through Kansas just makes a man sleepy

    • @mvfc7637
      @mvfc7637 3 роки тому

      he’s pretty laid back and relaxed for an engineer.

  • @TdrSld
    @TdrSld 3 роки тому +1

    As a Chassis Fab specialist and someone who has fixed this issue on a number of SD, it is in fact the panhard ball joint and bushing 99% of the time. If you can rotate the panhard bar by hand even just a little it's time to replace both ends. I your case I would upgrade to the Heim Joint setups out there since you pull with it 50% of the time, little $$$ but worth so you're not having to replace the ball joint every 30-40k.

  • @gutsngorrrr
    @gutsngorrrr 3 роки тому

    My advice for large truck wheels, get something like centramatic balancing rings. These will automatically keep the wheels in balance even after a lot of wear and will really help reduce wheel vibration.

  • @stevenosmond2168
    @stevenosmond2168 3 роки тому +14

    That big nut secures the Pittman arm to the pitman.That's an integral gear.I make anywhere between 400 to 600 a night on a assembly line.

  • @FrietjeOorlog
    @FrietjeOorlog 3 роки тому +10

    At least you guys can get a haircut. Legally. I'm sporting a mullet over here after about 6 months of lockdown.

  • @jamiehughes1660
    @jamiehughes1660 3 роки тому

    Very interesting information thanks 👍

  • @bryenpalmer1466
    @bryenpalmer1466 3 роки тому

    JR does your truck have auto off, when stopped at a light? Have you bypassed the switch? I have read a few different ways to do it, I was just curious if and how you did it...

  • @j.j.123
    @j.j.123 3 роки тому +5

    Nice haircut, I didn't know they still made the flowbee

  • @digitalrailroader
    @digitalrailroader 3 роки тому +9

    14:39 to paraphrase Eric O of the South Main Auto UA-cam channel, keep an eye out for the green crusties!

    • @Onlooker71
      @Onlooker71 3 роки тому +2

      “Creeping green death” as Sarah-n-Tuned calls it on her channel.

  • @pontiakgaSport
    @pontiakgaSport 3 роки тому

    I’m not a diesel expert by any means, but as a former carmax tech who had to face this exact issue on these trucks multiple times, this was literally the same thing I did to all of them concluded from basic diagnosis. I clicked this hoping the learn something, but that was far from the case. New center link and passenger tie rod end, stabilizer and tires if they were remotely worn and the trucks never came back. I think the ultimate problem with these trucks is a lack of caster. Not sure why Ford doesn’t change some front end geometry to fix it going forward.

  • @Kyle-nq5si
    @Kyle-nq5si 3 роки тому

    You are absolutely right on the gauges I bought three different ones out of frustration one time and they were all 5 to 10 psi in difference.

  • @iampotates
    @iampotates 3 роки тому +4

    According to NHSTSA, Tires have a 10 year expiration date. After that they are unstable.

    • @bobby1970
      @bobby1970 3 роки тому

      I've always heard it was 5 years max.

    • @iampotates
      @iampotates 3 роки тому

      @@bobby1970 "Some vehicle and tire manufacturers recommend replacing tires that are six to 10 years old, regardless of treadwear. You can determine how old your tire is by looking on the sidewall for your DOT Tire Identification Number (TIN) . The last four digits of the TIN indicate the week and year the tire was made."
      Source: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.nhtsa.gov/equipment/tires%23:~:text%3DSome%2520vehicle%2520and%2520tire%2520manufacturers,year%2520the%2520tire%2520was%2520made.&ved=2ahUKEwjMnJ_ssojxAhVMVs0KHaiMDhAQFjABegQIBBAF&usg=AOvVaw1xKIL1vKhFANd8prCk_-T-&cshid=1623168055946

    • @iampotates
      @iampotates 3 роки тому

      @@bobby1970 to be honest my original reply misquoted it, all though it is 10 years in some cases I made it implied that's the case for all tires which is wrong. My bad.

  • @mcgizzle7835
    @mcgizzle7835 3 роки тому +4

    Hey JR I had a similar issue with the trailer disconnected. It wound up being the trailer itself. It was a bad electrical connection point on the electric trailer breaks.

    • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
      @InsideOfMyOwnMind 3 роки тому

      Unless it happens with no trailer attached.

    • @mcgizzle7835
      @mcgizzle7835 3 роки тому

      @@InsideOfMyOwnMind I’ve never heard of that issue

  • @mikeh9656
    @mikeh9656 3 роки тому

    I bought a new 2004 F-150 in '04 that developed a death wobble during the first year of ownership, so bad it was difficult to steer on the highway. The whole truck shook and wobbled. After taking it to the dealer a number of times, and much research, without success, I started taking wheels off one at a time, checking for problems. Finally, while looking t the rear brakes, I noted signs of heating on the emergency brake drums, inside the rear disc brakes. The cam that turns to apply the emergency brake was rusted in place, and would not release. As I drove, the pads heated and expanded to bind in the drums. They would heat, bind, stop, cool, loosen, then repeat... All I did to fix my problem was to remove the shoes, break the rust on the cams, then loosen, and lubricate them with disc brake pin lube. I still own my truck, now in 2021, and have not had any problems with the death wobble since. My theory is that while launching a sailboat, and backing the trailer in much further than with a power boat to get the depth needed for the 4' keel to clear the trailer, and hull to float, I had put th rear end of my truck into the water beyond the height of the rear wheel hubs, then come home and parked my truck in my steep driveway with the emergency brake on for a few days, as it was not my primary driving vehicle. Now, whenever I have a rear wheel off, I check the cam to see that it is still moving freely. Try the SIMPLE THING FIRST!! The problem is just finding it.

  • @mikegraham8900
    @mikegraham8900 3 роки тому

    Roy knows his business! Enjoyable watching him narrowing down your death wobble.

  • @AutoAuctionRebuilds
    @AutoAuctionRebuilds 3 роки тому +40

    My 2020 Jeep just started doing this at 55 or above anytime I hit a decent bump. Scary as hell man!! I’ve got 6k miles on it and feels like my Jeep is going to fly off the road. I have to slow down to 40 to get it to stop.

    • @WorkableWax
      @WorkableWax 3 роки тому +5

      Get a Isuzu

    • @WatchJRGo
      @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +6

      Yup, I have to lay into the brakes too 😬

    • @skippysvr4586
      @skippysvr4586 3 роки тому +14

      Lol. My tacoma is rock solid at 75,000 miles.

    • @michaelchristopher8266
      @michaelchristopher8266 3 роки тому +21

      @@skippysvr4586 your Tacoma doesn’t have a solid front axle.

    • @mani5446
      @mani5446 3 роки тому +3

      you put massive lift and wheel and said " no death wobble", stay safe and go back to stock :)

  • @LasagnaMeatttt
    @LasagnaMeatttt 3 роки тому +9

    I’ve been cutting my own hair for years, but damn

  • @artlayton1425
    @artlayton1425 3 роки тому

    Good job and excellent advice!

  • @dbrandon4528
    @dbrandon4528 3 роки тому +1

    As a former Mopar parts advisor I’ve has this conversation countless times with Jeep and Ram owners about something causing the front end shake. All of them want to claim it’s the Dampener and 9/10 times it’s not

    • @hondo-pr4tu
      @hondo-pr4tu 3 роки тому

      I've bought many dodge plow trucks from the city I live in and they all ways supplied the maintenance records with them and all of had sway bars replaced with new links and dampers. Thought that was odd but I'msure they know better than me.

  • @Yeti1183
    @Yeti1183 3 роки тому +10

    My bro and I just couldn't stop talking about that haircut. JR, do you cut your own hair.... blindfolded?

  • @Cartier_specialist
    @Cartier_specialist 3 роки тому +5

    I hope you telling them what's wrong gets it fixed. I hope you don't have any ruptured water pipes -- I'm pretty sure I have at least one dang it.

    • @WatchJRGo
      @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +4

      The water main into the warehouse broke 😢

  • @FordBossMe
    @FordBossMe 3 роки тому

    If you check that tie rod assembly off the truck right from the manufacturer that tie rod assembly has play up and down and alot of it.
    I get them in the dealer with no front wear all the time and the death wobble is still going on, I throw a fox steering stabilizer on it and the customer never comes back

  • @azroadposer
    @azroadposer 3 роки тому

    This is a great video to use on my Jeep wrangler! Thanks JR!

  • @campingwithhomer7371
    @campingwithhomer7371 3 роки тому +6

    I got a haircut today. one dollar= 25 cents a corner.

  • @Weird600
    @Weird600 3 роки тому +3

    DAMN -- I've got a 2011 Silverado -- still has the original tires -- guess I'm screwed and didn't know it

  • @stacyadiaz
    @stacyadiaz 3 роки тому

    I have a 2017 F-250 that had the death wobble at 29k miles. I replaced the crappy Continental tires (very worn), installed a dual steering stab and the dealer replaced the factory steering damper and adjusted the camber. So far, 20k miles later, zero issue with the wobble. I have the same play/knocking with the center link but on the steering box side and haven't developed the death wobble again. The center link seems to be a common failure and many places can't keep it in stock.

  • @williamwhite9767
    @williamwhite9767 3 роки тому

    A looong time ago, my carpooler coworker"s newish 73 Plymouth Duster developed a death wobble that braking and slowing would stop. It was caused by the brakes dragging supposedly when the dealer diagnosed and repaired it. So, I suggest you check the brake rotor temperatures with an infrared thermometer after driving it to make sure this is not happening. Probably a good idea for all of us to check our brake rotor temps occasionally to make sure the calipers are sticking.

  • @j.a.r.family2576
    @j.a.r.family2576 3 роки тому +7

    Whoever cut your hair is who eff'd up your truck. It's wobblie.

  • @davenz000
    @davenz000 3 роки тому +9

    How has there not yet been a class action against Ford for this defect?

    • @MrDemonchild71
      @MrDemonchild71 3 роки тому

      It happens with jeep too. I don't understand how they can manufacture and sell a product with this potential problem

    • @georgobergfell
      @georgobergfell 3 роки тому

      This is clearly an engineering failure, suspensions should be designed to never ever do this. Design for (cheap) manufacturing, that's all I can say about this

    • @scooz14
      @scooz14 3 роки тому +2

      While I agree that your drag link and center link need replacing, you can see you axle moving left to right which is the track rod joint. You need to replace that track rod too

    • @ericbowness8157
      @ericbowness8157 3 роки тому

      It's wear and tear components, it's not a defective product, any solid front axle vehicle can do it , a new set of tires will probably fix 95% of his issue

    • @hammercity905
      @hammercity905 3 роки тому

      @@scooz14 I saw that too... Do these guys not actually fix vehicles them selves? My 06 6.0 F250 as 4" front 2" rear with Huge wheels and tires ( I have 33's 35's and 37's) for it and it tracks like it has Auto Pilot. I also have a steering box From a 6.4L (they are bigger but will fit) and I rotate the tires at least 4 times a year and check and replace any Front end parts that are sowing wear.

  • @Like2Build
    @Like2Build 3 роки тому

    For the trailer disconnect issue be sure to check your trailer brake wiring. Trailer MFG’s are notorious for cheap wiring that will short to ground. That short will lead to trailer warnings in the display.

  • @johngreen1907
    @johngreen1907 3 роки тому

    Another check to do is to see if the axle pinion flange is pararrel with the transfer case flange, otherwise, unless CV joints are used, the UJ joints can initiate the wobble.

  • @r.t.1942
    @r.t.1942 3 роки тому +9

    I fixed my death wobble , I traded it in for a chevy and the death wobble completely stopped

    • @MrWildwilly48
      @MrWildwilly48 3 роки тому +2

      But now you have brain wobble.

    • @r.t.1942
      @r.t.1942 3 роки тому +1

      @@MrWildwilly48 🤣🤣

    • @tomking5822
      @tomking5822 21 день тому

      Chevy does it too

  • @waynep343
    @waynep343 3 роки тому +4

    JR log into your electrical bill and verify you are not getting demolished by variable rates..

    • @WatchJRGo
      @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +2

      No variable rates here! 🍻

  • @803brando
    @803brando 3 роки тому

    ive done 4wd conversions using that dana 60. when we rebuild them we use an aftermarket kingpin insert to add about 4 more degrees of castor from factory. castor is super important, most manufacturers dont put enough in.

  • @FreakinJeepGarage
    @FreakinJeepGarage 2 роки тому

    Coming in from the Jeep community, we're all too familiar with the term "Death Wobble". Since this is common to all the front coil sprung straight axles. This comes up so often it seems almost broken record-ish. It's intriguing since often no 2 fixes are the same. The wobbles can really be caused by any worn part or combination of worn parts from the steering wheel to the tires and every point in between, including control arm and track bar bushing or joints (including improperly torqued bolts.) It can be very frustrating to try to zero in on the specific cause without thorough inspections including some disassembly to properly diagnose it. Some shops don't have the knowledge or experience to fix it properly (yes, even your local dealership maybe). I wish you all luck on fixing your wobble issues.

  • @edosaesanboreriamiatoe503
    @edosaesanboreriamiatoe503 3 роки тому +9

    Did your barber come back into town or you found a new one? Great contents!!!

    • @WatchJRGo
      @WatchJRGo  3 роки тому +11

      The girl who was great at it moved to Mexico, I’m running a chargeback on the this guy for screwing me. 💯

    • @mikescott6647
      @mikescott6647 3 роки тому +2

      You look fine bud, it'll grow back

    • @webfreakz
      @webfreakz 3 роки тому +1

      It's not going to fix the face 😄

    • @robertbeirne9813
      @robertbeirne9813 3 роки тому +1

      Difference between a bad haircut and a good one, is about 2 weeks

    • @williamwhite9767
      @williamwhite9767 3 роки тому +2

      @@WatchJRGo Since I retired, I cut my own hair. My wife complained at first but I got much better at it. I just use scissors. I'm retired. I"m not trying to impress anyone any more. Actually, I never did.

  • @markshumskiy9657
    @markshumskiy9657 3 роки тому +21

    We need to start a GoFundMe for JR to get him a decent haircut. He’s spent all his money on the shop!

  • @timmytool1231
    @timmytool1231 2 роки тому

    I've have the same tires, the door pillar says 60, the tires which are stock size say 80lb. What do you think? Also, do you recommend an after market steering damper? I'm on a stock suspension, 2016 F250, no wobble just vibration at 70 mph.

  • @ControlTouchMaster
    @ControlTouchMaster 3 роки тому

    My ‘08 Jeep Liberty had a “death wobble” when I bought it used a few years ago. I got it pretty cheap because of the wobble. The problem turned out to be the front left brake caliper sticking and grabbing when it warmed up. Replacing both front brake calipers fixed the problem. Nobody ever talks about how the brakes can cause this problem. An easy to get out of your vehicle and check the temperature of your wheels after the wobble appears to see if there’s a possibility of a sticking caliper.