RAM 1500 EcoDiesel vs HEMI | Is the Diesel option WORTH the Extra Cost 💰💰 *Diesel Mechanic Reviews*
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2022
- I review a 2022 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel and a RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi and compare the two engines as a Licensed Diesel Mechanic to see if the extra cost of the Diesel option is worth you buying it. I break down the fuel economy of both the EcoDiesel and the 5.7L Hemi, factoring the extra cost of maintenance and DEF to give you guys the truth about this engine is cheaper to own.
I hope everyone is having a good weekend! After comparing the 6.7 Cummins to the 6.4 Hemi last week. I figured this would be another awesome comparison.
I use the EPA combined fuel efficiency rating to get a good comparison of both the ecodiesel and the 5.7 hemi. turns out the ecodiesel is 47% more efficient but factoring in that the price of diesel is 30% more expensive the ecodiesel comes away with only 17% more efficient.
we also factor in maintenance costs and that also hurts the ecodiesel as a diesel engines maintenance costs are always more expensive.
lastely we look at the cost of emissions and that really puts the ecodiesel overboard as it would take almost 1 million km to break even with the initial cost of the diesel engine vs the gas option.
I also personally as a licensed Diesel Mechanic think the Eco diesel is a bad engine. even if it truly turned out to be more cost effective I still wouldn't buy it. lesson learned here is buy the 5.7 hemi and you won't be disappointed - Авто та транспорт
I love my 2021 RAM ED. I travel 900 miles on a single 33 gallon tank without looking for a next gas station as I am used to do when I hade 24 gallon tank and V8 GMC sierra. Plus the diesel doesn’t shift as often as gas one. It’s not about money saving it’s about different experience
I recently purchased a 2018 Ecodiesel Outdoorsman to replace my old 2007 Hemi TRX4. Even with a 3 year bumper to bumper warranty it still came out about C$5k cheaper than the equivalent Hemi and it averages 10.9L/100km so far with my day to day use cases (my Hemi averaged about 20L/100km under the same conditions) so I'm pretty pleased with it I'm figuring if anything goes bad in the next 3 years it's Chrysler's problem and I can always flip it afterwards if it ends up not being reliable. Anyway thanks for your videos I watched a whole bunch of them before I bought the truck so I can't say I wasn't buying knowing full well what I was getting into thanks to you :) Cheers!
I have 17 eco diesel. I’ve owned it for 3 yrs. I deleted it and it’s been a fantastic truck. Power and pep is good enough for me. I am considering selling tho bc the price of diesel. Idk …
Wow what a fantastic video, I watched many videos on trying to decide but this video did it for me and the fact this is all in Canadian terms its a perfect explanation for me.
Great video. Very informative thank you
You literally changed my mind on getting a eco diesel in my 2023 im ordering.I will be getting the Hemi.
Professor Alex, I felt like I was back in school! Loved the video and thanks! Bill from Linglestown, Pennsylvania
Thank you sir!
You make fantastic videos dude
Really good video. Last summer I was looking and a newer used truck and a buddy pointed out a used RAM 1500 ecodiesel for a decent price. The MPG was attractive but I did some research including here and decided to avoid that engine, especially since I was buying used and not brand new with warranty. Again, good info.
Dude this is a great video , super informative!
Thank you sir!
Please note: the Ecodisel was available in ALL trim levels, from Tradesman to Limited.
couldve been unavailable in canada at this time. they dont always list things on the website since they or have shortages from time to time.
Great financial analysis. I'm looking at a used one which is really more in line with the gas version but this is still really useful. And your opinion on the quality is appreciated.
With respect, I think you made some great points but missed a bunch as well. You mentioned the ED repairs, but what about the hemi manifolds warping, and the hemi tick (lifter failure)? I spend a lot of time on the ram forums, and guys are spending $2000 to $4000 to replace their cams/lifters. What about resale value? You spend more for the ED, but after 5 years your ED may be worth $2000 more than an equivalent hemi. You mentioned the ED can't tow as much, but the towing is still different; the ED feels stronger when pulling 0 to 8000 pounds, because of the typical boosted/diesel torque curve. Less downshifts, less "lugging", it just feels stronger, the hemi you need to wind up and rev to 4000+ rpms to get full power which gives it that weaker feeling even though when both engines are running flat out the Hemi does tow more. Etc etc. I might have missed it in your cummins video, but I don't think you mentioned resale value there either which after 5 years, still returns over half the cost of your diesel purchase back to you. The ED is in the 5th gen is a pretty significant change over the ED in the 4th gen, supposedly they fixed some of the flaws and user complaints on the new ED are minimal. But I totally agree with your ED analysis, city usage, light duty etc. I just think in terms of pure cost/performance, some important bits were left out.
Agreed I did not touch on the hemi lifter failure and that usually runs about 5k in cost to repair. the manifold leaks I guess you could count but they don't harm the engine and they certainly don't stop you from driving. I guess the reason I didn't include them is because they are repairs but usually a 1 time repair over the lifetime. and I think the number of lifter failures is overblown I think I read the failure rate is like less then 0.1% of trucks. but who knows that's coming from RAM lol
Whereas the aftertreatment cost of repairs could be endless over the lifetime of the vehicle. there are about a dozen sensors in the aftertreatment system all of which will most likely fail at some point. for example a nox sensor costs around 1500 bucks. and you have an inlet nox and outlet nox sensor. we usually change those like candy, they are always failing. so you add in labor time your looking at a good chunk of money just to change a failed sensor. DPF filters can be upwards of like 4K. so you clog a DPF and ruin a couple sensors you could be looking at some big money. and there's no reason why it won't happen again a few years later with these emission systems.
as far are resale value, Yes the Cummins will 100% maintain it's value better then gas. but I'm not so sure with the Eco diesel. I mean maybe, I honestly don't know but I would be cautious thinking the Eco diesel won't depreciate as fast. I think alot of people understand they are not the most reliable engines at this point whereas the cummins is clearly known for its reliability.
All valid points! I just thought it would be an interesting comparison.
I also will add in your fuel economy with a trailer on the ED is significantly higher than the hemi.
Own a 2011 Hemi , and did the engine replacement at 134k miles to the turn of $6,500. Truck now has 150 and runs great but I considering a 2023 EcoDiesel … would you just stay with a Hemi ??? Or gamble
Bro I just sold my 2011 hemi, 194k and the tick started years ago but finally quit on me this week. (Dec 23) the lifters needed replaced and it wasn't worth the cost. I just bought a ED today and I'm excited to see how it works out. I loved my hemi and I might go back to it one day but with that engine tick and lifter failure I would only buy brand new because that issue can surface with in the first 5 years of owning the vehicle
I'm surprised this video doesn't have more views. I'm glad I went with the 5.7 (non E-torque) in my 2020 Limited. BTW, what are your thoughts on the E-Torque? Would it be better to have it or not? I don't think there is an up front price difference (at least not in the U.S.), but it is another system with potential to fail.
Having towed with a 5.7 3/4 ton and a 1500 ecodiesel. I will say the ecodiesel even though it's a lighter truck pulls a lot better. I'm going to say torque band qmf 8 speed trans. Is the reason. Everything between 3000 pound box trailer to a 9000 lb excavator and trailer. I don't miss the Hemi roaring along at 4-5000 rpm to get up the mid grades in my area
I average 25-26 mpg empty in the eco 80% hwy miles. When pulling I'll get 14-17 compared to 14 hwy empty 8-10 towing in the Hemi.
Just turned 160,000 on the eco no major mechanical problems. Just normal maintinence and a few emissions recalls etc.
It does great for a light duty diesel.
Having said that. If I wasn't logging 20-30,000 miles a year with 1/3 of them towing I'd probably get another gasser.
I believe you also need to consider the MDS in the HEMIs as well as far as fuel consumption / pro Gas btw but ya
I’m actually considering buying a new Ecodiesel Ram 1500 so thanks for the info about the reliability issues. And the real world mpg. I think I might just get the 5.7 Hemi
I actually get about 30mpg in my ecodiesel. So there is that
if you drive short distances, might as well get gas. diesel shine driving long stretches, so few brings that forward
This channel convinced me on my purchase of a 2015 ram laramie in charcoal grey 5.7 crew cab long bed, picked it up this weekend i love it much more than my old Silverado!
Nothing wrong with a good old chevy lol but the 4th gen ram 1500s are solid trucks especially with the 5.7 hemi
What engine did you get? #Ramlife
@@TheGettyAdventures both trucks have their ups and downs but I'm loving my Ram more and more with every drive
@@scottandrews4822 i went with the 5.7 v8, i always prefer a classic v8.. its the purist in me lol
I love my eco!!! 10k towing, 1,500 payload . And 26mpg doing 70mph. I had a hemi and no 100% it's not better the the newest gen eco.
I just bought a used 2014 Ram 1500 hemi with the MDS. My driving is 75/25 highway/city and no towing. I'm averaging right at 18.5 mpgs. Cheapest gas around me is $2.79 and diesel is $4.59. Eco diesel would have to average 30.4 just to break even on fuel cost, then figure oil and filter costs and fuel filter costs. You have to tow alot to justify the Eco and might as well jump to cummins at that point.
Awesome Video! Love all the data. I am really surprised that the 5.7 is the better engine! What do you think about the RAM EV that is coming out in 24? I also heard RAM is considering replacing the 5.7 with Twin Turbo Inline V6.
The Ram EV will be interesting! I think it depends on where they put the price. If its a $100k truck then forget about it. But if it comes in much cheaper maybe theres hope lol
@@TheGettyAdventures Did you see the new HD Rebel Ram announced today?
What about if you have it in a jeep wrangler, add dpf cleaner( on occasion)and regulary run Hotshot fuel additive with 25% more Lubricity to make up for the ultra low suffer fuel And change the oil every 5K miles?
Thank-you.
I was waiting for the shoutout for reaching out to you about my 2018 ecodiesel with 62k miles and my blown engine! An update on that, my truck was at the dealership from April - September waiting on an engine that was on backorder.
Honestly, I lost all trust in this truck, even though it is one of my favorites. The engine is just too unreliable. Its hard to justify a 3/4 ton now since I don't tow a ton, but maybe might sell for a Hemi until I need a bigger truck.
Get a 2500 6.4 hemi
I remember your story sir! nothing wrong with the hemi. it has it's issues too but it does seem more reliable. and if you get a truck with 3.21 gears the fuel mileage honestly won't be that bad. the other option is to just delete the emission if you can. that will greatly improve the life and reliability of the truck.
thank you man! i have a 17 with almost 86k on it. im tuned come inspection time i run my stock tune and its just blah.. it is a rather fun truck and has taken everything ive thrown at it.. but with working on diesels all day long and hearing about the new emissions bs... i want to let it go and get a 4 runner. ive got a constant p0299 nightmare
Ditch it sir. Seems like you've had luck so far but iv just heard nothing but issues with these engines
I’ve got a 17 deleted eco. Would a dealership take a deleted truck in on trade? My truck has been perfect for me. I’m tired of the fuel cost
3.0 Duramax is all we got for smaller displacement diesel engines now. TBF it's actually a very good engine too.
It sure is. GM just updated it too.
actually heard good things about the 3.0L Duramax.
The likely hood of that diesel reaching that many miles is much better than the chance of the hemi making it...
Other things to also add in is with the hemi you would fill up let’s say 100 times but with eco-diesel you would fill up 60 times. 40% less fill up more or less. Then you have longer range which is vastly more. Then you don’t have to spend money on rearing if you run bigger tires because it has so much lower and torque. And finally every penny you pay upfront for the extra cost of diesel you get back all of it and more in some cases for resale value people paid crazy money to buy a used diesel.
I'm waiting for more details about the hurricane engine
I think we all are.
What about the famous Hemi tick?
Wait - you said that the Rotella T6 is a full synthetic, but the pic of the jug shows a synthetic BLEND. So, you can't compare oil costs fairly here either..
Little confused about your shopping and your available Dealerships. My 2022 Ecodiesel ($60,000 $835 72 months no down-payment) was available when I bought it in all trim levels. 10 Free Oil changes. I have a friends with hemi's that after 80,000 miles rave about my truck. My wife, who drives much more conservative than me, got almost 35mpg on a highway trip. I get much better than the EPA rating. I don't think you should do comparisons, especially using variations of a vehicle no longer on production.
Your math makes sense. I wouldn't buy a brand new one. I bought used for under $25k. Not financed. So I'm just enjoying my 26mpg (its tuned and deleted) I'm about to have to put a new fuel rail on it though
I'm spending almost $200 to fill up my ram in California and I'm getting 11 miles per gallon. So even at that cost w the diesel getting 30% more milage it's not worth it??? Great breakdown!
You fill up 5 times that’s 1000$ …. You filled up by the time you’ve filled up 50 times that’s 10,000$, seems a bit absurd.
The cost of recovery for the Ecodiesel is skewed because you taxed it and you didn't tax the Hemi. Let's keep things fair here 😅
my 2020 hemi 22l/100 km, 60 highway 40 City , bad Choice ,EcoDiesel best option for every Day driving
I'm in NC with Zero Deisel emissions requirements, should I consider a complete emissions delete?
I paid 38.5k for my 2022 ram 1500 Eco diesel horn level one in June 2022
If you are towing a lot then you save more. I’m on my 2nd eco and I love it hated my hemi
Just bought 2WD 3 rd Gen Eco Deidel Rebel 52,000. My 5.7 Hemi... death tick. Hope it works out. MPG with hemi towing all the time isnt great.
Should have went with the 3.0 duramax
is the hemi etorque?
I have the opportunity to lease a 2021 Rebel eco with 23k on it, for less than what I'm leasing my 2020 5.7 classic.. I moved the aftermarket Exhaust, intake, pull out bed, cap, chip etc etc, from my 2016 sport..but this 5.7 is a pig (obviously the aftermarket gear isn't helping the gas mileage) you cant do a transmission overhaul on these new models anymore either.. I appreciate your clinical breakdown on cost per km, but there are some cases, (such as mine) that make it beneficial to swap over.. Well, barely beneficial..
What is the " proper warmup procedure " for the eco diesel ?
Gasoline and a match
@Charles Chamberlain LMFAO!
I don't know Man, The jury is still out on the Gen 3.
Absolutely Great So far.
It all depends on the application that you need the truck for. For serious towing, NOTHING beats a diesel.
In general yes I would agree but the 5.7 is a much stronger engine in this case
@@TheGettyAdventures I don't agree, but that's OK. I have towed 8K+ lbs with both trucks, having owned both. The Hemi will pull hills but it SCREAMS - 5000 RPM pull - whereas the Ecodiesel just CHUGS up the hills -- 2500 RPM pull. The towing experience is much better and quieter with the Ecodiesel. I have 20K miles on my 2022 Ram Longhorn ED and 0 issues so far. I also had a 2014 Ram Hemi that I ran to 156K before it was totaled by another driver and I had 0 issues with it too. Ram builds great trucks. One suggestion that helped me on both trucks: get the 3.92 rear gear. With the 8 speed transmission, the real world difference in fuel economy is maybe 1 MPG, but the driving and towing experience is VASTLY superior with the deeper rear gears.
The ED is not $4,900 more, it is a $2,200 option over the Hemi. Since the trim you used as an example, a Rebel, comes standard with a V6 gasser, the cost to upgrade to the Hemi is $2,795, the ED adds an additional $2,200 over the Hemi option. If you want accuate numbers comparing the ED to the Hemi, redo the math using $2,200 as the ED cost.
Your personal opinions of the ED now that the Gen 3 has been out for a few years is very outdated. Perhaps you could benifit from research.
As far as the MPGs you indicated you got, I have very different numbers. My 2013 Hemi averaged 17.2, my 2022 ED averages 28.6, both in mixed driving.
Like I mentioned in the video. In my location the ONLY trim you can get an Eco diesel right now is the Rebel and above. There are screen shots, watch the video again, it's 3,900 dollars plus tax plus financing brings you to 4,900 dollars over the hemi. In the US or other location it may be different.
But like even if we took the 2,200 dollars, with tax you're looking at $2,500. without even financing costs you would have to drive 500,000km or 310,000 miles. which I mean I doubt most rams will make.
As far as mpg I used the EPA Rated combined advertised mileage that RAM by Law has to provide. I figured that would be the fairest MPG comparison. If you don't agree then complain to them. But also common, a 2013 ram compared to a 2022. I imagine your 2013 hemi had the 6 speed with 3.55 gears probably no MDS either. whereas your 2022 has an 8 speed transmission with 3.21 gears. makes a large different. the gearing alone probably changes the mpg by 1-2.
As far as my personal opinion I mean I'm only a licensed diesel mechanic lol I just work on diesel engine 8 hours a day/ 5 days a week. All you need to know is magically RAM is discontinuing the Eco diesel after 2023. They finally realized it was so bad they couldn't save it. 3 generation of engines in 6 years. Garbage. the Hemi is still on the same generation of engine since 2008 with no changes in sight.
I'm sorry the salesman sold you a bill of goods but there's a reason why ram is canning this engine and it's not because it was too reliable.
Final point. the Eco diesel engine is literally on back order because there is so much demand for them when the factory Eco diesel blows up. My own father in law was towing with the Eco diesel last year, blew up randomly on the highway. I had to come out and tow his trailer the rest of the way home. $14,000 + labor is what it would of cost him to replace the engine. he bought a new truck with a hemi in it.
FYI for 2022, the Ecodiesel is available in ALL Ram 1500 trim ranges -- from Tradesman to Limited.
Maybe its a canadian thing then idk. I thought that as well but the site would only let me order an eco diesel for rebels and above. Weird
That’s for the US only. Canada is different. I haven’t seen any 5th gen rams below the rebel in Calgary with the eco diesel but I see plenty of 4th gen big horns with the diesel
Alex don’t forget 90% of us that we buy heavy duty trucks we do a lot of towing 😊
That motor isn’t really tow focused though. It’s a commuter engine designed to be an option for high MPG in a pickup. The Cummins is the tow beast
I heavily researched the ecodiesel when I was shopping and the reviews are pervasively bad. Especially for those who tow. It overheats. Went w a Power wagon w a 6.4L and so glad I did
@@overland_panda I have towed 8K+ lbs and have never even had the thermostat move much more than 3 degrees. I think the reviews are maybe of the Gen 1 or 2 ED's.
exactly!
I mean yes the gen 1 and gen 2 are pretty bad engines but the fact that ram is canning the gen 3 so soon leads me to believe it's also probably not great either.
The EcoDiesel is a problem child compared to the Cummins. When I bought my Gladiator the technicians at my dealership said to stay away from it.
To even put the eco diesel in the same sentence as the cummins is a grave sin. Lol and yes its good to stay away from
I would recommend that you remove the extra $500 cost for financing the Ecodiesel engine, as some of us pay cash for their trucks and don't have this extra cost. Or, maybe you could do it both ways.
how would you rate the hemi compared to fords 3.5?
Buy the Ford
I would say it depends on what you want out of a truck. if your main concern is fuel economy and speed then ya 3.5 is the way to go. but if you want something reliable the hemi is a better option. it's not perfect but the 3.5 seems to run into a lot more issues whereas the v8 is just a simpler engine and has less things to go wrong over the lifetime of the truck.
@@TheGettyAdventures normally I lease my trucks my current 19 f150 has the 3.5 and 63500kms on it the buyout is 34000. I've started a new job that has me traveling an average of 40-50000km per year mostly highway and 10% towing, so leasing the next truck is out. With interest rates being what they are these days it make more financial sense to me to buy my current truck out at 7.49% for a $34000 loan instead of a 5.99% $65000+ loan. but I question the eco-boost as the the kms start getting above 200000 one turbo failure will eat up the bulk of the interest savings buying the 19 out of its lease. What is your experience with the 4gen rams up to 250-300k in terms of maintenance?
Eco diesel is way to go for truck on highway
Do you know what might go wrong with my 2015 JGC Ecodiesel in the following video?
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Please redo these figures without taxing the Ecodiesel twice, nunerous times. Plus, i have owned and towed with the Hemi and ED and can tell you that the ED tows the SAME weight much easier. It uses its torque to go up hills at maybe 3500-4000 RPM whereas the Hemi is SCREAMING up the hill at 5000-5500 ROM.
Wait - you're double taxing the ED engine. You added the tax at first and then you added it to the truck and taxed the whole amount again. I would recommend that you tax the engine as the whole package only and not individually. It's kind of making the diesel engine more expensive than it really is.
Ram is discontinuing the eco diesel
shockingly eh
I paid less for my ecodiesel than a equally equipped hemi
Really eh ? Well power to ya sir!
Same I paid less for my ecodiesel Rebel than a hemi rebel…65k sticker paid 53k fully loaded
Not buying this "review"...it's WAY jaded. and if the ED is PROPERLY MAINTAINED it'll last twice as long as the Hemi.
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If your truck lasts only 120k miles, you're doing a poor job with maintenance. Plus, you're saying some BAD THINGS about the ED. DOES THIS INCLUDE THE NEW 3RD GENERATION ECODIESEL? THEY HAVE MADE NUMEROUS CHANGES OVER THE EARLUER ONES. I have a 2022 Ecodiesel with 53K miles on it and have had ZERO issues with it.
It seems like you're looking at the OLDER GENERATION ECODIESEL engines and not the THIRD GENERATION engines, where numerous changes were made. I feel that you were not fair to the ED engine, as you talked about the OLD GENERATION of it.
Like i said, I have a 2022 Ram Longhorn with the Ecodiesel. I routinely get 27 HIGHWAY MPG and have had ZERO issues in 53K miles. Yes, a lot of my driving is on the highway, which probably helps me from having emission related issues. But, I have owned both the Hemi and the Ecodiesel. The ED tows better and gets much better fuel economy with great overall performance. The Hemi is a littke faster 0-60 and sounds great. I have a 3.92 gear in my ED truck, which matched the Hemi. I did this to help with both trucks' acceleration, which it did. Anyway, I have had great luck with Ram trucks in general. To bash the OLDER generation Ecodiesel [ED] motor and to tax it twice and then say it's problematic, when you're not using the 3rd gen engine, and say it's more exoensive, when you taxed it twice, is simply not a good comparison, in my mind.
5.7L Hemi !! .. the SOUND is uncompariable, it's a brute. Get them while you can, RAM dropped the 5.7L Hemi.
Cummins is not a longer lasting engine anymore. EGR will trash any diesel engine
Boy you're really in love with that overpriced Commons it's really not that good it's not bad but there are better engines I get better biology like the duramax you're a Max but God-bless everyone
To be honest its seems like a pointless comparison. Like comparing mittens and sun burn lotion. I mean they both are for taking care of your body right? No you are missing the point. One is for the cold one is for the heat. This sun burn lotion isn't keeping my hands warm so the mittens are better and a better value. STFU your stupid says the guys who is bright red from sun burn these mittens are not helping me at all.
For people who have work loads and duty cycles that benefit from the strengths of diesel hands down want a diesel for the right reasons. Like long run times big miles heavy daily towing. Relative to truck size naturally ie 1/2 ton or HD. People who have a short commute, need a people hauler, grocery getter, but also need a bed will benefit most from the small gas Pentastar. People who want a more rounded capability maybe also want a vehicle that is quick or fast and appreciate the sound feel or drive characteristics of the v8 will want and benefit from the larger gas Hemi. Now pretty much everyone can pick one that will fit their needs. Who knows why some pay extra to get a diesel and have zero need for it. Maybe they just like the drive characteristics or lord knows what. Ever see the guy who buy shoes 4 sizes too big for his feet. It doesn't benefit him physically but perhaps psychologically.
On top of that even the fuel consumption cost comparison you did is wrong from the get go. You compare the Ecodiesel cost, fuel cost and usage example to that of the Hemi. But you use the Ecodiesel upcharge cost against that of the Pentastar and not the cost of the Hemi. So even the results you post or conclusion you reach were doomed before you started. On top of that there was no comparison of fuel consumption towing a trailer. All of it is bad premise.
On a side note The Ecodiesel Hemi & Pentastar are all doomed on a short horizon. The Ecodiesel was just picked first for Rams own reasons. Instead of getting 3 engines to choose from your alternate of choice is going to be 3 versions of the same 3.0 liter 6 cylinder gas motor ie the The Hurricane. I believe you will get to pick from a single turbo, a twin turbo HO, and one that adds a battery & electric motor. An economical win for the bean counters at least theoretically on paper and a stave off to our out of control overreaching government.
modern diesels are the suck
This is true
If you say that, you've never driven one. Especially towing, there is no comparison.
@@scottandrews4822 yeah and then you get stranded in the middle of nowhere because you're particle filter is full ... see truck master's denali video.
I'd rather get a pre-EPA Cummins than to drive a modern diesel that can die on you because some little sensor is reading BS
Can you edit out the cuss words 10:00 min mark lol
lmao Jesus that's embarrassing. an editing error on my part.
@@TheGettyAdventures that's awesome 😂😂
Wow, they do math pretty badly in Canada. Hahahaha. You don't do the fuel efficiency percentage against mpg vs cost per gallon. Hahahahaha. Turn in your need glasses bro. Fail. Epic fail on math. Do your math again and perhaps take into account trying to be impartial.
Sounds like a hater