“Do you know where 67 degree HA won’t work; when it gets steep” Wtf are they talking about? Trail bikes winning trail bike of the year only 3 years ago had 67 degree HA. Was anybody saying they were twitchy and no good downhill then?
I've been riding and racing my Exie since February. Replaced my Ripley V2 with this bike. The Exie climbs and shreds at race pace. Not as forgiving on downhills but capable. The step cast fork is lightweight but has a narrow crown. That affects handling IMO.
I've been with two ibises before, I think it is in their bikes characteristics that it really climbs well and it's like it naturally pushes you forward when you go over bump going up.
XC Race Bikes already have super firm suspension, the lockouts are not a guaranty for higher speeds. That said…It’s a more a mental uplift thing, the bike just feels faster to the rider.
I love these reviews and the crew. One of the few reviews out there that consistently puts the bikes on challenging trails instead of just flowy hard-pack.
Love a PB field test. Levy, Sarah and Matt are a rad combo! However… i was gutted to hear about Alicia via UA-cam comments on another Vid. I get it. Its a private matter, but she is a institution in Field Tests and PB owes it to her and the fans to inform about her accident.
Absolutely love my Exie and ride it over my Ripley. Even in the mountains of Colorado I picked it over the Ripley. So much more fun and rewarding to ride!
@@andrewfish1111 I’d say if the rides you’re doing are longer like > 8-10 miles then stick with Exie. If shorter and you want it more plush forgiving and more versitile. Then stick with ripley.
I can't believe that a 67 degree head angle is considered steep, The head angle on the current Pivot Switchblade is 66 degrees, and that uses a 160mm fork.
All this waffle is just regurgitated from the bike industry trying to sell bikes. I can’t believe someone can tell the difference between a 66 to 67 degree head angle.
@@22Jeffers I can absolutely feel the geo change from changing head angle on my bike using an 1 degree angle set. It’s not just marketing gimmick but it’s certainly used to push the next models year on year
I'm really wondering how this year's DC line up fares to older top notch rigs like the last rocky element or the transition spur....would be really really interesting if you guys could compare the older ones to these.
Personally I don't like the XT brakes on my exie for longer or steeper descents. But it is the most fun bike I have to climb things. I figured it would also be the fastest in the test going up. Going down you have to really pick your line.
This needs to be updated to talk about the new Exie (NON-USA foreign made frame, deore components, $4,500 price tag - over half that most of the bikes listed in this vid).
Really would appreciate some overall ranking between field tests - like how the Allied ranks against the Transition Spur and Rocky Mountain Element... I get that there's only needling and downside in doing all bikes but perhaps at least among the "leaders" in a given test like you guys do on the trail/Enduro, matching against the stumpy
I got my Ibis Exie full XX1 and I don’t regret the price. This bike is build to go fast. I will also say this bike is not for a beginner. This bike is meant for a 115 x 138 lbs person. 😂
Really wished you’d take a note when you feel the stem is too short and stick a longer one on it. It’s a simple thing to do to see if the thoughts you have can be validated.
Isn't 480mm reach kind of long for an XC race bike? Wouldn't this negatively affect the bike on any tight twisty XC courses? I too (like some others said) don't feel like it was an appropriate test for the intent of the bike. Ibis has the Ripley for the trails PB tested the Exie on.
BC40 is now "THAT bike" they were talking about, lol. 1) Made in the USA 2) Pedals just as good 3) More composed downhill 4) Not anymore expensive for the top build
Which bike is better: Ibis Exie (non-usa deore build $5k) vs. Rocky Mountain Element (C50 build $5k)??? No xc racing, but will be doing marathons and 100 milers. Ride mostly 'blue' trails, fair amount of green as well, just a touch of black. My weight is 120lbs.
Actually it is 9,2k for for X01 with alloy wheels. 10k is for carbon wheel upgrade with ibis hubs (bike version in the video), 10,6k for carbon+i9 hubs :D
Not sure why these XC bikes don't come equipped with 2x dropper style levers, it would fix the ergo/cockpit problems when a lockout lever is also present. Additionally.. while on the topic.. 2x dropper levers can be improved a lot. Most of them are junk 🙂
I prefer proper dropper post lever by default, it is so much more often used compared to suspension lockout. I have 2x dropper remote on my HT (because it is still "old" 2x drivetrain bike) and it is terrible. In all my future bikes will have PWN The Loam lever, period. Damn the 2by dropper remotes!
@@strenkp yes agree, but it doesn’t seem like it would be hard to produce a good 2x lever. Even the pnw 2x lever is junk. I mean their entire brand is rebranded generic products lol.
For the question at 16:30 what bike is that XC race bike that is more capable for the trails, especially with some bigger rubber. Is it the Blur TR or Top Fuel from last year?
Ones you get a Lapierre , you will never buy it again, I have NEVER seen such a bad customer support, can't find frame parts anywhere on the whole f*ing continent (bushings for example) and customer support is not answering emails...
Levy needs to get over his negative feelings on lockouts. His feelings are outdated and tiresome. I'm surprised he doesn't understand that when you're climbing or accelerating on the flat, every bit of energy that gets absorbed in open suspension is energy that doesn't propel you forward. Full stop.
Until bike designs get to the point that lockouts don't provide an undeniable benefit in many situations, lockouts work and his repeated comments have become nauseous.
My goodness, that is NOT a pretty bike if you ask me. I don't care how well it climbs, handles or whatever - I have a VERY hard time getting over the looks. Transition Spur on the other hand... looks so good it can be a death trap for all I care :D
This is the ugliest XC "race" bike I have ever seen. $10.4K and it weights over 24lbs? $10.4K and it comes with X01 shifting and XT brakes? Who at Ibis is smoking crack in their marketing department? My god what a fucking rip off. Just because it's "American made" they have the audacity to slap that price tag on it with those components? Yikes! Can't wait for the 2023 Orbea OIZ to drop this week.
Dude, bikes are not only about the price and the components (which you can always change/upgrade or buy frame only as me) No matter what components will come with Oiz, it will 100% not ride so good as the Exie. To me is more important the frame, geometry and the ride quality than components and value. Btw my neighbor had Oiz frame replaced after not many km ridden (he rides not so much as me). On stage race Trilogy 2021, 2 Oiz frames in service booth with broken privot linkges and without propietary screw you have no chance to fix it. No thanks, take your Oiz I will take my Exie. PS - if value would be important to me, I would pick Canyon Lux which is better kit for the price compared to Oiz
@@strenkp ok so what about a Santa Cruz blur CC XO1 for $7.5K vs an Exie for $10.4K same components lighter frame? Or a megamo? Or a Scott? Or even an epic evo? The price tag on this isn’t going to fly with 99% of riders. Sucks your friend has had a bad experience with their Oiz but I’ve put 2300KM on mine in the past 4.5 months and have had 0 issues. I wouldn’t get a canyon I’d rather pay a little more for a higher quality frame made in Spain vs China when picking a mtb. Road/gravel sure cheap Chinese carbon is the way to go.
@@laxplaysu91 Is like complaining, that Porche is very expensive and your BMW wasn't so pricey. Yes, Ibis is premium brand, their frames and carbon quality is one of the best on the market. Their build kits are super expensive compared to the competition. That is why I decided with frame only and will build it with kit specific exactly to my taste and ignore their expensive kit sets. To you it seems the components and the price is more important. To me the quality of the frame and how it rides. DW-link is like a drug, you taste it once and never look back. I do not want single pivot XC bike, that's it :)That is good think about this world, everyone can buy and ride whatever he wants :) You Oiz, me Exie, other guy can shred Scalpel and other Lux. Ride on!
Ibis develops a bike specifically for XC, even named it after the genre. Pinkbike "Let's add it to our DC test!!!"
It’s not like they make a 120 rear travel bike with geometry more comparable to other bikes in the test…
Then complain that the head angle is too steep
@@ervin7178 it gets boring when the same old bike keeps beating out the rest. I have the "other" one. Its super nice!
Xc is hardtail
and they included the Evil which is very similar to the Ripley
Steep 67 degree headtube makes it twitchy. Me over here bombing down hills with a 70 degree headtube like…😅
Nice review ...... So odd to hear a 67 degrees head angle is steep for a XC bike ...times sure have changed 👍
not for an xc bike but a "downcountry bike"
they are totally different things
“Do you know where 67 degree HA won’t work; when it gets steep”
Wtf are they talking about? Trail bikes winning trail bike of the year only 3 years ago had 67 degree HA.
Was anybody saying they were twitchy and no good downhill then?
Sshhhh. You’re not allowed to talk about that
My 2016 intense carbine with a 160mm fork had a 67 degree hta lol. It never felt too steep in the downhills
Seriously My 2018 ibis mojo 3 had a 140 front fork and 67 deg head tube lol
I've been riding and racing my Exie since February. Replaced my Ripley V2 with this bike. The Exie climbs and shreds at race pace. Not as forgiving on downhills but capable. The step cast fork is lightweight but has a narrow crown. That affects handling IMO.
@@randallgd Why is it so hard to find this comparison?
I've been with two ibises before, I think it is in their bikes characteristics that it really climbs well and it's like it naturally pushes you forward when you go over bump going up.
XC Race Bikes already have super firm suspension, the lockouts are not a guaranty for higher speeds. That said…It’s a more a mental uplift thing, the bike just feels faster to the rider.
66.5-67 HTA is the best and most neutral for all riding situations both climbing and descending. No questions asked.
When you said the words 10,000 I knew I was watching the wrong bike video for me
I love these reviews and the crew. One of the few reviews out there that consistently puts the bikes on challenging trails instead of just flowy hard-pack.
Love a PB field test. Levy, Sarah and Matt are a rad combo! However… i was gutted to hear about Alicia via UA-cam comments on another Vid. I get it. Its a private matter, but she is a institution in Field Tests and PB owes it to her and the fans to inform about her accident.
Never imagined the day we’d be reviewing an “XC race bike” talking about its ‘steep’ 67deg head tube angle.
I was thinking the same thing
maybe it isn't steep
Absolutely love my Exie and ride it over my Ripley. Even in the mountains of Colorado I picked it over the Ripley. So much more fun and rewarding to ride!
Interesting I have the exie now sold my mojo 3 for it and was thinking i made a mistake not buying the versatile ripley.
@@andrewfish1111 I’d say if the rides you’re doing are longer like > 8-10 miles then stick with Exie.
If shorter and you want it more plush forgiving and more versitile. Then stick with ripley.
I can't believe that a 67 degree head angle is considered steep, The head angle on the current Pivot Switchblade is 66 degrees, and that uses a 160mm fork.
All this waffle is just regurgitated from the bike industry trying to sell bikes. I can’t believe someone can tell the difference between a 66 to 67 degree head angle.
@@22Jeffers I can absolutely feel the geo change from changing head angle on my bike using an 1 degree angle set. It’s not just marketing gimmick but it’s certainly used to push the next models year on year
Jenny Rissveds raced an Exie in UCI world cups this past season. She was in the mix for podiums all season in cross country and short track.
She’s also one of the best female XC riders in the world right now… you could throw her on any bike and she would podium.
I'm really wondering how this year's DC line up fares to older top notch rigs like the last rocky element or the transition spur....would be really really interesting if you guys could compare the older ones to these.
I was wondering why there was 2 DC field test in the same 12 months tbh
I rode one of these recently. Very solid bike. More substantial than you'd expect
Personally I don't like the XT brakes on my exie for longer or steeper descents. But it is the most fun bike I have to climb things. I figured it would also be the fastest in the test going up. Going down you have to really pick your line.
This needs to be updated to talk about the new Exie (NON-USA foreign made frame, deore components, $4,500 price tag - over half that most of the bikes listed in this vid).
Really would appreciate some overall ranking between field tests - like how the Allied ranks against the Transition Spur and Rocky Mountain Element... I get that there's only needling and downside in doing all bikes but perhaps at least among the "leaders" in a given test like you guys do on the trail/Enduro, matching against the stumpy
They always do timed descents,climbs but they never put all bikes times on the screen in text in the closing episode
Exie, WA1 wheels, King hubs, Michelin tires = my build. Thank you.
I got my Ibis Exie full XX1 and I don’t regret the price. This bike is build to go fast. I will also say this bike is not for a beginner. This bike is meant for a 115 x 138 lbs person. 😂
Sweet as Bike! Ibis makes quality great handling bikes.
Really wished you’d take a note when you feel the stem is too short and stick a longer one on it. It’s a simple thing to do to see if the thoughts you have can be validated.
During the world cup with Jenny Risveds this bike was a beast on the downhills
with 100mm front fork.
I’m really liking this Exie
I want to see it vs the
Epic S-works
Take the Pepsi Challenge!!
Isn't 480mm reach kind of long for an XC race bike? Wouldn't this negatively affect the bike on any tight twisty XC courses?
I too (like some others said) don't feel like it was an appropriate test for the intent of the bike. Ibis has the Ripley for the trails PB tested the Exie on.
Awesome cool bike 👍🤘❤❤❤
Hey PB! What angle is where you would consider a 120mm forked bike to be considered downcountry?
67 is good
BC40 is now "THAT bike" they were talking about, lol. 1) Made in the USA 2) Pedals just as good 3) More composed downhill 4) Not anymore expensive for the top build
@REB4 just ordered a bc40 ..Going with a 130mm 34. Some 800 mill one up riser bars bit bigger rubber...Will be my dc bike
Which bike is better: Ibis Exie (non-usa deore build $5k) vs. Rocky Mountain Element (C50 build $5k)??? No xc racing, but will be doing marathons and 100 milers. Ride mostly 'blue' trails, fair amount of green as well, just a touch of black. My weight is 120lbs.
Nice bike.
The timed testing would be more meaningful if they all 3 did it and averaged the results.
10 grand woooooow!!!! Better be hand and foot free.
What does Pinkbike consider steep? 10% grade? 15%? or 20%+?
This is where the Lux Trail deserves a second chance?? Or the Intense Sniper T???
Only 9k for the version in the video, what a steal!
Actually it is 9,2k for for X01 with alloy wheels. 10k is for carbon wheel upgrade with ibis hubs (bike version in the video), 10,6k for carbon+i9 hubs :D
The head angle will be 66.5 with a 130 mm front fork
Not sure why these XC bikes don't come equipped with 2x dropper style levers, it would fix the ergo/cockpit problems when a lockout lever is also present. Additionally.. while on the topic.. 2x dropper levers can be improved a lot. Most of them are junk 🙂
I prefer proper dropper post lever by default, it is so much more often used compared to suspension lockout. I have 2x dropper remote on my HT (because it is still "old" 2x drivetrain bike) and it is terrible. In all my future bikes will have PWN The Loam lever, period. Damn the 2by dropper remotes!
@@strenkp yes agree, but it doesn’t seem like it would be hard to produce a good 2x lever. Even the pnw 2x lever is junk. I mean their entire brand is rebranded generic products lol.
Let Sarah take the lead, mo betta.
For the question at 16:30 what bike is that XC race bike that is more capable for the trails, especially with some bigger rubber. Is it the Blur TR or Top Fuel from last year?
I suspect this is the bike that's going to win the impossible climb this time
67 is steep for XC?
No it’s Not
They’re just repeating manufacturer BS.
Ones you get a Lapierre , you will never buy it again, I have NEVER seen such a bad customer support, can't find frame parts anywhere on the whole f*ing continent (bushings for example) and customer support is not answering emails...
Merida 120/Merida 120rc when?
No thanks
Is is called Exie because when you say that it sounds like XC??
Did anyone hear what size they were on?
I think the dude in the middle said he rode a medium on the allied and just curious
Hi from Russia!) good content
Short travel you guys should include the Pivot Trail 429 and the Santa Cruz Tallboy.
Both have been reviewed already on PB. Tallboy would do shit on climbs and meh on descents. 429 might do alright it’ll climb like the following.
FIVE GRAND for a frame???? Ummm no.
What is the other bike that makes its carbon frame in the USA?
I think in this test it was Allied.
11:41
67 degrees is "twitchy"? C'mon, how did we ever survive anything above 67?
Every other review said the opposite Weird.
@@user-rj9ui3sz8u Hi my name is Tom, I don't ride bikes, I just read about other peoples' opinions on em.
@@weridebikes1000 I was agreeing with you.
Still trying to catch up with the Epic Evo..
Except the Epic has reach figures from 5 years ago. This has 35mm more reach in XL.
@@ewxlt but that head tube angle... I'm still an Epic Evo fan
@@Mardegente2024 Valid.And the price is stupid.
@@ewxlt every prive is stupid these days. I’m seeing bikes at 15.000 euros/dollars
These guys at like 67 degrees is a steep HT angle. It is an XC bike. The industry has brainwashed everybody w LLS bs.
Levy needs to get over his negative feelings on lockouts. His feelings are outdated and tiresome. I'm surprised he doesn't understand that when you're climbing or accelerating on the flat, every bit of energy that gets absorbed in open suspension is energy that doesn't propel you forward. Full stop.
Lockouts are outdated.
Truth
I can tell you his argument is that those issues should be resolved with bike design and not a switch
Until bike designs get to the point that lockouts don't provide an undeniable benefit in many situations, lockouts work and his repeated comments have become nauseous.
I'm with you Bill. I ❤️ lockouts. Great for pavement and standing up.
I guess I'll have to cash out my kid's college fund to afford this...
My goodness, that is NOT a pretty bike if you ask me. I don't care how well it climbs, handles or whatever - I have a VERY hard time getting over the looks.
Transition Spur on the other hand... looks so good it can be a death trap for all I care :D
Is Sarah Uni Kitty?
This is the ugliest XC "race" bike I have ever seen. $10.4K and it weights over 24lbs? $10.4K and it comes with X01 shifting and XT brakes? Who at Ibis is smoking crack in their marketing department? My god what a fucking rip off. Just because it's "American made" they have the audacity to slap that price tag on it with those components? Yikes! Can't wait for the 2023 Orbea OIZ to drop this week.
Dude, bikes are not only about the price and the components (which you can always change/upgrade or buy frame only as me) No matter what components will come with Oiz, it will 100% not ride so good as the Exie. To me is more important the frame, geometry and the ride quality than components and value. Btw my neighbor had Oiz frame replaced after not many km ridden (he rides not so much as me). On stage race Trilogy 2021, 2 Oiz frames in service booth with broken privot linkges and without propietary screw you have no chance to fix it. No thanks, take your Oiz I will take my Exie. PS - if value would be important to me, I would pick Canyon Lux which is better kit for the price compared to Oiz
@@strenkp ok so what about a Santa Cruz blur CC XO1 for $7.5K vs an Exie for $10.4K same components lighter frame? Or a megamo? Or a Scott? Or even an epic evo? The price tag on this isn’t going to fly with 99% of riders. Sucks your friend has had a bad experience with their Oiz but I’ve put 2300KM on mine in the past 4.5 months and have had 0 issues. I wouldn’t get a canyon I’d rather pay a little more for a higher quality frame made in Spain vs China when picking a mtb. Road/gravel sure cheap Chinese carbon is the way to go.
@@laxplaysu91 Is like complaining, that Porche is very expensive and your BMW wasn't so pricey. Yes, Ibis is premium brand, their frames and carbon quality is one of the best on the market. Their build kits are super expensive compared to the competition. That is why I decided with frame only and will build it with kit specific exactly to my taste and ignore their expensive kit sets. To you it seems the components and the price is more important. To me the quality of the frame and how it rides. DW-link is like a drug, you taste it once and never look back. I do not want single pivot XC bike, that's it :)That is good think about this world, everyone can buy and ride whatever he wants :) You Oiz, me Exie, other guy can shred Scalpel and other Lux. Ride on!
Over 10k for mechanical sram is just not up to standard these days
Made in USA. You can't have your cake and eat it
First
no like the bike 👎