How $182K fine drone pilot was CAUGHT! Why it won't happen to YOU!
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
- Hey everyone! In this LIVE show, Sean will look at the court papers surrounding the first hearing involving the proposed $182,000 fines and the civil injunction to explain how he was caught but also why Sean thinks this is highly unlikely to happen to anyone else, anytime soon!
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Thank you for the update and insight on that
HOW did I miss this announcement... was hungry for something drone-wise at drop too... thank goodness for TiVo👍🏼
Good info !!
I think the FAA is being heavy handed.
Recreational rules are closer to commercial rules vs "hobby" rules.
The US FAA regulations for recreational pilots actually works through an exemption from the main 107 rules. Perhaps it is time for separate rules.
1. Spotter rule is ridiculous.
2. Not flying over moving cars is ludicrous. Cars drive by me at 40mph and nobody bats an eye for my safety
3. Adopting a and following a CBO is absolutely not gonna happen because those CBO's are all based on subjective ideas of "safe operation".
I never agreed with the FAA to follow some other guys community rules 😂
@@Geeksvana I do believe creating rules specifically for hobbyist would 100% remove the pre-existing notions that were unintentionally created when 107 carved out a section for hobbyists.
The way I look at it is,
You can't build a prison and then turn it into a school.
But you can take a school, make it a prison, then turn it back into a school.
Perhaps it's not the best example,
But what I mean is that it's very hard to take something like commercial rules and soften them for hobbyists.
It is easy however, to take hobbyist rules and harden them for commercial.
Hobbyist rules should be created first and the commercial rules should be built upon the hobby rules.
Imo at least.
@@highrider9168what do you mean by cars drive by you at 40? As in you walking or how?
@@rubengarciajr7560 yeah, when walking down the sidewalk, there's cars flying past.
At any point any car can suffer some sort of malfunction and send the car careening towards pedestrians.
But it's an acceptable and often little thought of risk.
I bet the FAA can't fly better that me 😂😂 the hobbyist 😂😂
This reminds me of the merchants who used to get fined for being open on Sundays before Sunday shopping was finally allowed. The citizen who complained and worried about "thousands of copycat pilots" may be shocked that within a few years it will be a reality anyway, whether by authorized extended vlos or bvlos. The only difference will be that "certified pilots" will fly "within the Regulations". My guess is that at that point the danger or risk will be magnified compared to what Philly posed as a lone pilot, which in retrospect was actually ~0. Having said that, I do not agree at all with what he did.
They say a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client!
I have heard the same saying... It is an extremely expensive process, though. I can understand it on some levels.
If you're a hobbyist, why wouldn't you represent yourself?
It shouldn't rise to a level beyond any other basic civil procedure.
Like a parking ticket 🤣
Imagine showing up to court for a parking ticket with a lawyer? 😂 Youre guilty already. But you wanna use money for a chance to weasel out of any sort of admission of guilt.
Even if the parking ticket was $190,000.00 you'd still show up to represent yourself.
@highrider9168 just a general rule in the US legal system ... unless you are a trained lawyer, representing yourself will inevitably lead to you making technical mistakes and getting your evidence and witnesses disallowed... someone like the FAA will have much better attorneys and it is always a risk
I know this is some what unrelated, but I thought I would ask, if you used an automatic robotic zooming camera connected to a screen you can see, to track your drone within your vlos but beyond the point you can orientate the drone in the sky, but can see the orientation on the zoomed in image on the screen, would this count as knowledge of the orientation of the drone?
No, VLOS and orientation has to be without any visual aids except prescription glasses.
I have mixed feelings about this case. I did find PhillyDroneLife's UA-cam channel a bit too crazy for me but he clearly was about entertainment and humor and had a way out rebellious character as the host. He did push the boundaries and conduct flights that I would not even though I might want to, like flying over the city for miles. I think he reacted badly when confronted by the FAA and pushed back against authority. However I think the $180,000 fine is ridiculous, a fine of $3000 would have hurt him plenty enough and an injunction to stop him from doing it again. Like a speeding fine that gets incrementally worse if you keep doing it. No normal person can afford hundreds of thousands and that debt will financially cripple him for life not a justified penalty under the circumstances in my opinion.
I asked about a criminal charge. Sean replied that he didn't think it had reached that level. Yet here in the UK people have got criminal convictions for similar things where no damage / injury has been involved ?
Yes the system in US is different. Fines issued by the FAA are civil. Whereas here it would be a court fine etc. So the systems are slightly different in approach.
We will have a fixed penalty style system launched in UK soon, meaning drone pilots will not have to get a criminal record etc. Although it might mean more of us get fined of course.
@@Geeksvana How are the CAA going to do this ? Historical data or by watching UA-cam?
@johnburns5783 Police officers will issue them. The 'offense' will be a code number and at a fixed financial amount.
@@Geeksvana Sean, how on Earth is that ever going to work ? I think public faith in our police forces is at an all time low. It’s going to be the word of a police officer ( who understands little of drone laws) versus the operator, (who probably understands drone laws a lot more) I can see PC Plod saying “ in my estimation he was flying too far “ etc.
@@EarthSouthside I’d have thought the size strobes you can fit on a drone would be difficult to see from say 1000-1500m away ( and then only if it was above the horizon/ tall buildings) In a city it would be easy to lose sight of it against a background of city lights etc
The British C.A.A. has all our details, we have all registered, and those details include our email addresses.
Would I not be simple to email us any and or all the pertaining updates?
This may just help to prevent this sort of thing. Or will at least remove excuses from “Cowboy” pilots.
Who more important FAA or CBO rules ??
To be honest all he has to do to comply is do what the very large majority of us already do, the injunction contains nothing that he shouldn’t already be doing. He is a very good drone pilot and I’m sure if he didn’t take risks for show Act , edit , or otherwise he would further grow his channel .
I think a lot of us feel that the rules are over regulated, but at the same time follow them the best we can, there are plenty of other ways to get your point across without drawing unwanted attention making yourself a target from the authorities.
I honestly hope he complies, he has openly admitted to making some mistakes, again he is a very good drone pilot who needs to have a rethink on how he promotes his skills, we can all make mistakes in life and I hold nothing against him, will continue to show my support and wish him well
I think that certain people are paid to be irresponsible with things, drones, guns etc etc on purpose to purposely try and effect the rules!!!!!!
FAA doesn’t issue licenses. It’s odd to hear that terminology in the injunction.
Yes, absolutely. I think it is because the legal system refers to any certification of this type as a 'license'. Similar references to licenses have been made in UK court action despite it also being ID or certification here.
@@GeeksvanaI think so too Sean.
He violated across the board I hope they don't think everybody else fly like him everybody is not moron
Philly D shouldn't tease the DEVIL !!
Philly D is just a show Just like Mr. T shows
Why they waited so long
Yeah, I don’t think the majority of people are going to be blatantly doing and copying doing the wrong things. Most of us probably will try to stay within the regulations as much as possible even though they’re difficult. And some of them being really not necessary just because we love the hobby and want to continue.
Bad form. Not what the community wants or needs.
is this all to do with "US " and has nothing to do with
" UK " the reason I ask is it's complicated enough us trying to keep up with everything as it is . !
Yep, this is the case in Philidelphia from the idiot drone pilot we interviewed last year and reported on last week. We do have an almost 50/50 split between the two audiences. I might start putting a little flag or symbol on the thumbnail? Then if people only want UK or US, they can tell.
Definitely sounds like a good idea . I think for some people ( including myself ) they can get all muddled up with some of the information which don't really apply to the UK . 🇬🇧 and therefore could possibly give out the wrong message ( or not ) in some situations .. 🙏🫶🏻
These type of videos are only news reports and don't give any advice etc. But I think a differential would be useful.
You've got the FAA due to Your sins..... Joking!
Don't challenge an authority, a bureaucrat. They put lots of bureaucrat into what they are doing. Pat them on the back och go around them, not against them.
Draw attention to yourself whilst breaking all the rules. 🙄
Crime has a victim.
No victim, no crime.
This will be Trump's new defense.
Trying to gain the perspective of this whole PhillyDroneLife situation on both ends.
One standpoint from the FAA and another from the pilot.
Thing is there’s good cops and bad cops. Did the individual who handled Mikey’s case send correspondence? There has to have been a trail of calls, letters, emails it just doesn’t happen out of thin air.
Mikey’s got his version of the story but if the evidence is on the side of the FAA then it’s a solid case and PhillyDroneLife’s got a very expensive lesson from this.
PhillyDroneLife just has to take responsibility, let’s shun him because of his actions but not shunned if he’s willing to take corrective action and prove himself. You’re always welcome into the community Mikey just think how this has affected the entire community. Hopefully this will pass and the community heals from this black eye.
How this affected the entire community?
I'm not affected at all 😂
The community isn't just the people who cast the vote of "aye" instead of "naye" 😂
The community is made of individuals.
I've never agreed with these rules the FAA has subjected hobbyists to.
And CBO's are a complete joke.
CBO's are the HOA of the hobbyist world.
This has been going on for years now & he's milking the youtube clicks, it's just a money making saga. He's not short of a few bob & doing alright out of it, hence the new car & harley Davidson parked outside his house along with all the drones. Watch botgrinders interview with him & make you're own mind up about how fake he is, like a out of work bad actor. Stop being so gullible people!
I have dealt with Mike’s a lot over the years. Both on and off camera. One thing I can assure you about is that he has not made much cash from UA-cam. There simply isn’t the stats to support that. I can confirm that he is not in a strong financial position at all.
I agree on the fake persona completely though. He swaps his mood to whatever he thinks will get donations that week.