Intel i5-9600K Review vs. R7 2700, R5 2600, i7-8700K, et al.
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2018
- We benchmarked the Intel i5-9600K for gaming, production, and overclocking.
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Intel's i5-9600K is the next in line with the 9900K and 9700K (the latter of which we haven't worked with yet), serving a more mid-range market at ~$250. The 9600K runs 6C/6T, similar to the 8600K, but has been updated with solder and higher native clock speeds. Overclocking the 9600K is also interesting, something we do in the review video above.
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Cost + operation cost = RYZEN best !
R5 2600 AUD$260 -
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or i5 9500k is AUD$450
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Go AMD
1.4Vcore seems pritty high for me on an i7 8700k @5.0ghz ... o.0
Does the frame time spike in single player in Far Cry or is it specific to the benchmark? Would be interesting to know what's causing such massive spikes, is it like the 4core 4thread GTA V bug?
Is the thermal solution worth it on the 9600K. While overclocked, is there a significant temp difference between the 9600K and the 8600K?
I'm more confused now than I was when I started watching.
I feel you man
Can confirm is correct
I REALLY LIKE your FPS tracking OVER TIME!!!!! Seriously, even on RPG games there is nothing worse then playing and thinking that your computer is locking up only to rejoin the fight a split second later.
Thanks for the i7 4790k stock numbers, i have a 4570 and an used i7 even at stock seems a decent upgrade.
Cippo95 go ryzen.
He might not have the extra money for a motherboard, I'm stuck with a z170 board for the next 3 years. I'll eventually get a 6700k or 7700k
getting used intel stuff is the worstthing you can do today, dont spend money on dead platform..
@@Xenoray1 It's also way less expensive than replacing the CPU, MOBO and RAM. I have a 4790k, and it's still a great gaming chip. It'll easily carry him the next 2+ years of gaming.
@@aaronporter9715 Skip the7700k I own it and it's basically a lottery draw, I have heat issues (guessing bad paste on die) but can oc 5.2 on water but others have the exact opposite on clocks to the point where theirs gets so hot they have to underclock to use it. Skip to the 8th gen and save yourself the anxiety, 6700k at this point isn't really worth getting.
4C/4T result would be nice too for us peasants still running 4 core i5's.
Feel for those with an i5 680. ;)
My 2500k@4.8ghz still plays everything I want. Still no game I want to play that will need an upgrade for the foreseeable future until cyberpunk
Upgrade to 4 core 8 thread
Love the channel,and the frame times are interesting.but what happens if you cap the frames on the i5 to r7 levels in the minority of games it stutters in?
@@mr_beezlebub3985 I was somewhat jesting. :D I have an i5 680 for benchmarking and fun. My main systems are several 5GHz 2700ks, 4.8GHz 3930K, 4.5GHz 4930K, not yet oc'd 4960X, not yet oc'd 6850K, 2-socket X5690, a 990X I've done nothing with yet (bad me), but my next build will definitely be a 2700X (or maybe a 2920X).
You need the hot glue in the socket! Not on the cpu!
I have a question, Steve. What is the multiplier on the cache? I’ve found performance can drop sometimes when I OC my 7700k to 5GHz without also upping my cache ratio to within 3 of the core multiplier.
Hey steve. do you still think the 8700k is a better buy over the 9700k considering the security vulnerabilities tied to hyperthreading? I know that they both perform similarly but with hardware level fixes for spectre and meltdown and no hyperthreading vulnerabilities because it has no hyperthreading wouldn't the 9700k be a better chip to recommend over the 8700k?
Include the 9700k please... Pricing where i live makes 8700k more expensive
Damn, F for respects where I live the 8700k is on sale for $320
@@nogghan4637 Where I am there is £20 between them so the 9700K is better buy. Just wished I could get it for as little as $320, mind the new Ryzen 7 2700 MAX is still £120 cheaper.
Well, it just changed where I live on the west coast in CA at Newegg. The 8700K was something like $360, somewhere around that, but now it's the same price as the 9700K $410 ($409.99...just go ahead and call it what it is).
I5 9600k 299€ in Finland.
410€ In italy for 8700k ......... 520€ for 9700k.......
I got my 9600K new in box for $150 at Microcenter.
For that price, I think it was worth it.
looking to upgrade from my 6700, any recomendations? I mosty play games like overwatch and quake and occasionally skyrim or a moba
steve you said theres gonna be athlon 200ge review a few days ago, is that still coming?
Just bought one of these, and checked out your review. I'm moving from a P55 Classified + i7 870 to Z370 FTW + 9600K, so it's still an upgrade for me. Time to make use of PCIe 3.0, but waiting for Intel 10nm HEDT, so it seemed like a good buy. That said, I don't play Far Cry. I'm picking it up to play X4, Star Citizen, and some AI intensive games, (what I usually play), like Battletech, so it should be fine. We'll see how it handles SC, but it can't possibly be worse than a 10 year old motherboard and CPU, even if it is still running strong, (25-30 fps in SC).
I'll try not to be disappointed that you don't like it ;)
And I'll try to remember to get back to you if I see any frame stutter, (in any of the games I play), on my build in any of these.
what about the 9700k?
im able to lock all of my cores at 4ghz on my 8400 is that effectively a OC I noiced the benches ive done say my CPU is performing at 79%tile ?
I'm able to achieve 5ghz on 1.33 everything runs fine like with gaming for example but I have this one weird problem with opening chrome or internet explorer sometimes the page won't load as if I lost connection. I tried using the command prompt to ping say yahoo.com and connection never drops when pages don't load in chrome or IE. I tried using XMP and manually setting ram in Bios but I get the same problem. When I set clocks back to defaults I have no issue with webpages loading. But when I OC to 5ghz that's when browser pages sometimes won't load. Any ideas? I have i5 9600k, Corsair rgb pro 3000mhz 16gb, Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X, RTX 2080 and EVGA G3 1000w psu.
too much biased on cost,,9600k is a good cpu for gaming,,,
liked for Bojangles sauce
i'll see you at the bojangles 500 then
I was thinking the same thing, give me the SAUCE please and you can keep the CPU :p
@@johnmijo those biscuits got a pound of butter in each one, i dunno how they do it.
I came only to discuss Zaxby's sauce being better
excuse me, for total war: warhammer 2, i have a question: i do not necessarily need more than 60 fps, but is more frequency or more threads better for reducing time between turns?
Forgive me if I've missed an explanation along the way but; will you please explain *if limiting FPS* (and how different methods affect results) to something well within the "typically expected range" for your system, averaged for all games "typically" played, *will result in a smoother visible output as an effect of giving the CPU more time than it needs* to turn through the frames, and therefore reduces the potential for frame-turn lag/spikes?
Turns out this cpu is better than 2000 and 3000 series all amd cpus
you should try hot gluing the cpu down, I heard from my friends at walmart it does wonders for performance
Thank you for taking the time to show frame timings. This is the only place i will ever look for product reviews when it comes to cpu and gpu products
Just curious, what's the added cost of the cooling solution to OC the i5 to make it spank the 2700? how does it do for OC on a stock cooler? Basically, if actually spending the same money as the r7 2700, how does the 9600k do?
Should maybe revisit the gaming pc multitasking video, and which processors you don't have to worry about it with more and more games beginning to use 8 cores. With Battlefield V for example on 6700k 1080ti at 1440p, I am seeing the processor getting maxed out if I have a twitch stream or high res youtube video playback also running (hardware acceleration off)
GN did a review way back comparing the 8700K to the Ryzen7 1700 for streaming, showing the latter was the better choice, with an additional advantage when it came to transcoding captured video. Given current pricing levels, this is even more relevant today. Where I live, the 2700 is half the price of an 8700K.
@@Neiva71 Why not? It wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for DRM :) gotta love the gaming industry in 2018
@@Neiva71 Some people listen to background music some to videos. I know people who game and watch Netflix. BfV has denuvos latest DRM variety, 5.2 or something. Look at all the game that ran terrible with varients of denuvos until it was intimately removed after being cracked anyway. Hoping for the same here, no excuse in dx11 to have 4c8t Intel CPUs at 80-90% constantly with 100 spikes if doing almost any other multitasking no matter what graphics settings are changed at 1440p with a 1080ti
I pledge allegiance to this dude's hair, wow!
Are z390 motherboards going to be compatible with future 10nm Intel CPUs, I just bought a 9600k knowing future game were getting optimized for more than 6 cores.
I plan to upgrade and I just want to know if I’m going to be stuck with a 9900k as my best choice using my current motherboard.
Why don't we get any infos on the 9700K?
I love Bojangles....
I see literally zero stutter on my 9600k on max settings with red dead 2, are you sure you didn't fuck something up somehow?
Also I know you have to take MSRP into account, but that processor goes on sale for less than 200 all the time
I'm wondering this also. I've played over 100 hours of Far Cry 5 at 1440p and NEVER saw stutter. It runs just as smooth, or better, than my machine with an i7-8700.
Same with mine, and I have it overclocked on all cores at 4.3ghz which ain't bad. Got it in 2020 for $150 bucks. I know it's old but still works fine as a backup gaming PC
@@gmualum08 You can use an i5 in an high end gaming pc, doesn't matter really since i9 and i5 have nearly the same gaming performance
Would running G-sync or Freesync help alleviate some of these spikes for the 9600k?
Question , what would be a better upgrade from the 8600k. 1. 8700k or 9700k? Thanks
8600k is still a beast. Love mine @ 5GHz.
Unfortunate that none of these tests included numbers for the i7 9700k. Comparing it and the i5 would have been informative.
9700K vs 8700K is a closer match. Nice to see 6C / 12T and 8C / 8T going at it for similar prices.
Damn good review. I love that you're trying to educate people on the importance of frametimes :)
The spikes in Far Cry 5 seem off to me. I’m running an i5 9600K/2080Ti for 4K gaming and FC5 is one of the first games I tried out for the HDR.
I spent about an hour playing it and never had any noticeable spikes in gameplay. Could be the resolution difference causing the smoother gameplay for me vs your test results?
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Don't be 'That Guy', Rogue Status!
I think you could have an unstable overclock hence the drops on the 0.1% low when overclocked.
@8:48 you say 'spurious', surely you mean 'sporadic'? ;) On topic though, I'm very conscious of value right now as I'm putting together a new rig. I'm currently pretty much set on an R7 2700x, however I'm still curious as to 8th/9th gen i5's price/performance ratio, especially as Intel doggedly refuses to discount their older stuff.
Is the 1.4V used on these chips done on purpose? I'm sure these overclocks are more achievable with lower voltages.
what about 9700k, im looking for reviews but i really want your opinion, i mean 8700k vs 9700k. cheers!
Check prices. If 9700K does not cost more go for it over 8700K.
Love my 9600k for games like BF5 and CSGO on 1440p 120fps and some light CAD work on Solidworks.
I know this is a bit late, but the i5-9600k seems like it would be good for gamers that play MMOs as they are older engines that dont leverage the multiple cores as well and hyper threading. Is that a reasonable conclusion if say WoW or GW2 or FF14 is ones gaming focus? Or is it still a better idea to step up to an i7 or another CPU? Thanks
I'm upgrading from an old Fx AMD processor (8350) and i dont know if to go for 8600k/9600k or for 9400f/8400. Im playing on 1080p, and i have gtx 1070. Any suggestions guys ? In my country, the whole package of 8600k/9600k including better motherboard, faster memory and a cooler costs twice as much as the 8400/9400 package, but im not sure about futureproofing. Thanks for any tips.
Why do so many youtubers leave out the i7-9700k from their benchmarks :/?
Because it's a more expensive 8700k
Because its not even worth considering purchasing it
it is the best processor out. It has 2 variants of spectre/meltdown fixed on it, runs ice cold at TDP, and games fantastic, and is good for general work. It does cost 140 dollars more at Microcenter than a 9600k
Dorian Gray because it's the same thing as an 8700k like someone said before.
@@Gradymeister how is it the same?
where's the rfeview of the i7-9700k? It's almost like it doesn't exist! he even keeps calling the i9 an i7. weird!
It might as well not. It's an i7-8700K. Solder might mean slightly lower temps, but performance is within margin of error identical.
@@steveheist6426 It doesn't have the same core count, and has no hyperthreading. Looks pretty different to me.
@@mynameisralph2954 Huh. For some reason I was under the impression Intel's naming scheme still made sense.
@@steveheist6426 Yeah 8700K vs. 9700K mainly comes down to price. 9700K averages about 2-5% faster overall. Since it's also soldered, it shouldn't need delidding for high OCs.
Steve, 8700k vs 9700k, would you do that too? There are certain regions where 9700k is cheaper than the 8700k like it is in Romania. Thanks.
wondering if I should get the 9600k + cooler, or just the 8700. Since they're almost the same price
And the i7 9700k??
It's slightly better than the 8700k in gaming it's basically comparing an 8600k to a 7700k in gaming just replace 8600k with 9700k and 7700k with 8700k
@@nogghan4637 Yeah it's true, it's just that i don't see any tech UA-cam talking about the the i7 9700k wich i think should be consider anywais, i mean there is the i7 4790k results so why not the 9700k.
@@fabianoterroso The 4790k is likely there due to it being so common in rigs from a few years ago, think of it like a baseline for those wondering if it is worth upgrading and if so what would be a worthwhile upgrade.
Keep in mind I'm not saying the 9700k should be left off, I don't know if they reviewed it yet though
@@areskrieger5890 I'm thinking about upgrading my old i7 2600 To the i7 9700k but no one is talking about it , sometimes I think that he doesn't even exist. I just want to have all the information about the 9700k before i buy it.
Love that you've included the 4790k, it's been my workhorse for a couple years now. Would love to see it (and maybe even a 4690?) OC'd included in the results although considering your testing... Might not be worth it time-wise but it's a bit of a pain to have to go back and watch videos from way back when just to have a comparision to a cpu that's included in your newest content.
the charts would bloat really bad really fast. what they should do instead is publish their data online so it could be spliced onto one huge graph (despite testing-rigs changing over time). would be cool to scroll up and down an interactive chart like that...
What I really wanted to know was, does the STIM actually help temps at stock speed in comparison to the 8600k. In Canada the 8600k is a bit cheaper, but if temps are higher at stock, I would rather pay a bit extra for a cooler chip that I can OC higher when I need the performance.
hi, im still using i5 3570 non k with h61 mobo, im using gtx 1060 6gb, im playing games at 1366*768 (60hz), because my monitor only support that resolution, when i force to 1080 the image is horrible, now i want to ask you, i want to upgrade mobo+cpu, which cpu should i choose for budget upgrade that have 2x better than my i5 3570, for now i dont want to change my monitor, because my money just for upgrade mobo+cpu+ram, so im gonna still playing at 768, im okay with vsync.
I wonder if sorting chart by the 1% or .1% results would be a better visual indicator of user experience. I am sure GN has its reasons for sorting by average (they think everything through, for Science) I'm just feeding the algorithm don't mind me
i7-9700k review pwease
i came here to try to find out the temp difference between 8600k and 9600k but there was no mention of it at all
also, was the game footage suppose to show the frame rate dropping? because i didn't see anything and i'd rather see video of the spikes rather than a line on a chart and the insistence that "it's noticeable"
Hot damn you guys do some tremendous work. A truly amazing video. 🤘 *I just grabbed a 8700k over the 8600k/9600k options this weekend.
Thanks for the realistic outlook on Ryzen frametimes! That kind of comment shows what a credible, knowledgeable reviewer you are!
One thing you could maybe address though is the different scaling with ram. If you plug really good ram into a ryzen system, and then tweak the timings, the gap to intel will narrow considerably.
i've put my hands on CL15 3600mhz 15-15-15-35 memory 2 weeks ago. I'm patiently waiting Ryzen
3rd gen to retire my i7-6700k.
I'm not very happy with the result>conclusion path taken here. When I look at the data presented at far cry I see almost 300% negative delta between the 9600K stock and the overclocked results. This tells me that there is an issue with your overclock. That also means at that point it would not be wise to use that data to argue about the necessity of 8 threads. If you want to do the latter simply take the 8700K run the test, disable HT in the bios, run the test again. That is the only way to avoid the most obvious pitfalls and confirmation bias. (Because who knows, there is an issue in the uefi, game, whatever). Personally I have an 8700K and I doubt HT will create a significant difference, especially on a stable 5 Ghz. However would still be interested to have this 'educated' hunch confirmed.
So my recent purchase of a RTX 2070 and a i5 9600k was bad? I was thinking about going 9700k but it was like 200$ more expensive :/ And game benchmarks seemed to favor the 9600k over the 2700x (which had the same price at the time (Black Friday))
Doskii same build with mine too, just built March 25. Might upgrade later down the line. But I’m happy right now.
Is the i7 8700k and asus strix 580 oc edition a good pair?
For the assassins creed games, they would run just fine on a quad core but you need the extra cores to handle the DRMs
Far Cry 5 use same DRM. If it wasnt for the DRM, the games wouldnt be so taxing on the cpu. Dont understand why they even have that, the Uplay launcher should be enough drm by itself.
@@sjarken3979 UPlay is the DRM, Denuvo/VmProtect/Whatever are anti-tamper software that stop you from removing the DRM checks. Because Ubisoft loves to see how much they can get away with this shit they're using multiple anti-tamper programs at the same time, which adds enough layers of garbage that even the best CPUs get choked out
When I play AC Odyssey, my i5-4690k would be at 100% while my 1060 is hovering around 80% usage...
@@ro0ster648 yep same. Thats why im getting a 9600k
@@shukterhousejive but strangely, FC5 runs great on my FX 8350, guess the game likes cores...
Thank you! I bought a I5 9600k yesterday, I’m happy to see I did a good investment for what my wallet can afford
HopeOfBlossom isnt this expensive?
i would say a ryzen is better in price/performance, or?
I mean, actually CPUs (and GPUs...) are expensice as hell, even the mid performance class
i got a used i7 for cheap in beginning 2017, and this CPU is even head to head with proper ram and the right settings (allcore turbo at least).
cost in 2014/2015 btw like 300-350$ new :)
@@harrison00xXx ryzen is better in price but in gaming performance the i5 9600k smashes ryzen, thanks to the high single core performance, you can easily overclock every i5 9600k to 5 Ghz which will give you alot more gaming performance than a ryzen on 4,2 ghz :P
@@oxycodon9087 And to have that 5ghz your cooler will work more than stock. I have the same processor and between ryzen and this one i preffer ryzen.
@@CryptoStef well obviously you need a good cooler but a "be quit dark rock 4" is enough for 4,9 - 5ghz on most i5 cpus. Since i play on 1440p i also prefer the 2700x , just saying.
Linus also compared noctuas to aios and they were very close with an edge to noctua
Hey do you have an Instagram or anything I could use to ask you about my pc? I wanna update the graphics card and etc I’m just not sure what would be best for my pc. Thanks
Any chance to include the good old i7 7700k in these tests? You can still find some brand new and i'm interested how my old CPU holds up especially since you're including some Ryzen 1600:s etc.
Also it would be really interesting to know how these CPU:s compare when you slap really really cheap DDR4 ram running at maybe max. Of 2400mhz. DDR4 is expensive. Why is that cost never taken into account when talking about value? Is this Vengeance LPX running at 2666Mhz or 3200mhz? I am really curious.
The 2700x is only $265 on Amazon right now. I'm too broke from Christmas shopping to get it though :(
I just bought a 2600 and was having buyer's remorse haha
@@monxz5929 I got the R7 2700. A little surprised on how good the 2600 did on this test, just around 10fps in difference from 2700. But if you got a groovy graphic card, i guess that little extra matters.
Sjarken yeah I got a 1070 ti which isn’t too insane but it is enough for me. Imma be gaming at 1440p tho so the difference in FPS is even smaller (more gpu bottleneck than anything) and I don’t stream or do any intense video editing work.
Yes it's wild how bad ryzen is in games
WHat do you mean sir? I have a 1600 at 3.8GHz , with a 1050Ti and a i7 8700 with 1060 :). both are GPU limited@@Maskinmester-DK
insert troll comment saying the other brand from what cpu is garbage and you should reevaluate your life if you buy and support that company!
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😒 yeah i know it gets really old hearing all these 'amd mpcs' parrot their shpeel on every fkn intel video. Every. Single. Time. Zzzzzz 😴
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You're welcome.
@@Neiva71 Budget = Intel
Intel shits on AMD in all segments, maybe only their 2200G and 2400g are good for PC's without a dedicated graphic card, other than that budget i5's are outperforming Ryzens.
There's no streaming benchmark this time? I wonder how it would performed without hyperthreading.
Video was so amazingly informative thank you guys
"don't buy it, it sucks on one game" is what i am hearing.
btw on Tech Showdown channel 8600k doesnt suck at FC5. Only on GN channel it sucks... Probably something wrong with test.
he said its a good cpu, just don't recommend because game engines are moving to native 8 thread support, it will be more likely that stutter will get worse in the near future whereas with a R2700 you are covered. Makes total sense.
that makes little sense as quad core cpu's can and will remain relevant even for the next few years.. many, many gamers still rock a 1060/1050ti and i doubt they want to spend 2/3 or more than their gpu on a cpu.
@@adam346 you can still game on 2core 4 thread cpus, but that doesnt mean its recommended, besides, as a consumer of course you want to spend as little as possible, but manufacturers will no agree with you. its good for business to make 4 cores obsolete so they can sell more chips, so they will push game developers to take advantage on latest tech, therefore pushing ppl to upgrade.
yes, hardware manufacturers but game developers want as many people as possible to be able to play their games at decent speeds with minimal specs.
The 4790k has got to be the most future proof cpu ever......still hanging in there after all these years, I should've bought it back in the day.
Hey whats about the i7 9700k ? Is it worth paying 200+ more for the I7 compared to the I5????
We need to see a complete 9700K review! Don't leave it out!
Something for the hardcore "I want FPS" people, and something for the dream workstation towers.
What a time to be alive.
Here in Germany (April 2019), i5 9600K costs €266 and i7 9700k costs €463! What is happening in Europe? Why is 9700k so expensive compared to other markets?
风清扬 in europe, people are dumb enough to buy overpriced crap...
i felt already bad as i paid fkin 350€ for a Geforce GTX 1070, and that was before the prices even raised thanks to the miners
but hey, others are not way better
since so much people think its ok to pay at least 1000€ on a proper gaming PC... idk
i remember times, where you get for like 400€ a starter Pc with poor performance, for 700-800€ a awesome gaming PC.
All you could do left was buying an overpriced CPU model which cost like +150% for like +10% performance, which was sometimes even with the cheap midrange CPU possible.
I hope the IT hardware business is getting ok again and a useful, at least partially futureproof PC is again affordable
Im sorry i dont understand, what’s the difference between frame time and frames per sec? Which is more important? I always thought higher frame rates are better.
hey im thinking about buying the Gigabyte Z390 GAMING X - motherboard and the i5 9600k is that any good?
the mobo has the extra 4 pin power supply for more power when needed, its optional meaning you do not need to connect it, the mobo is fine for i5 9600k
I disagree with this review. I got a 9600k for 250€ on black friday while an 8700k is currently about 420€ and the 2700x 320€ in my country. 9600k is sure to perform better in games across the board over the ryzen especially with the OC headroom. Now Far Cry 5 is an odd case but I'd argue that sporadic frametime spikes don't matter as much in singleplayer games. Now if you look at any multiplayer or competitive esports titles the 9600k leaves the 2700x in the dust by a considerable margin up to 25% or 30% and it can make a big difference if you are playing at 144hz or above. Especially games that do depend on IPC and clock speed Ryzen is not to be recommended and also it has much higher memory latencies. If you play on 60hz or 4k and do primarily rendering or workstation tasks ryzen will be a good choice but if you are especially multiplayer gaming focused or play on a high refresh rate you need to buy intel and no way around it.
Keelan Hyperthreading doesnt help that much for pure gaming, by that time all of these cpus will be obsolete. Also looking at usage is misleading it simply shows multitasking headroom. If thats not the primary use you won't benefit much
@Keelan you should double check those facts. At same clockspeed the 2600k is less than 10fps ahead on avg in a typical scenario vs the 2500k in AC O. In BF1 it's less than that! In some modern games like FC5 the 2500k even wins. If you don't believe me /watch?v=TyA3UBxKxwM
Hyperthreading won't save your cpu from aging and a 8/8 will always win vs 6/12
@Keelan you're listing stock speeds not matched clocks so that bench is worthless. And you should watch the video again if you don't understand it. 100% usage doesn't mean anything except less multitasking headroom. you can have 20% usage and it won't be able to give you more fps. the cpus perform very similar there is no big difference and by the time a new DX API fully utilizes higher core count both cpus are outdated
@Keelan BF1 avg: 137 vs 146
ACO avg: 75 vs 88
pls tell me where u got that magical number of 20fps from
This video saved me from buying the 9600k.
And makes me want to spend a bit more for the 8700k.
A bit more? Here in the UK, the 8700k is almost £130 more expensive.
lol its cheap as balls and clearly better
Dennis Finan my i7 4790k was cheap af and even can outperform your useless Gen8/9 i5s 😂
a damn close to 6 year old CPU!
@@harrison00xXx cool bro. i have an i7 5820k
@@harrison00xXx but theres videos you can watch on youtube that prove you wrong anyway. so why lie? so weird
i play fortnite competatively and fps can drop below 60 in end zones on a 1080 what would you recommend for the same price point?
Never dropped under 144 with my 1080ti even in arena in the endgame circles... Your card might be getting toasty idk
Why do you have the 4790k and not the 7700k represented in the graphs?
Haswell is legend, the other one just one nighter
I love hot glue
What a stupid conclusion... The fact, that the overclocked CPU has more dips than Stock-Clock only says that the overclock is f***ed up! It is just a bad OC! It is stable enough for FC5. I would bet it would not stand even 5 cycles of Cinebench... I think he noticed it because the rendertests are only running @5,1GHz and not 5,2 anymore...
I'd be curious to see thermal comparisons between the 9600k and the 8600k.
Seems like the i7 8700 NOT THE K just wasn't even thrown in on these tests.. I looked up on CPU Benchmark and the i5 9600K seems superior when OC'd for gaming vs the i7 8700. I don't really stream or do any video editing or rendering so.. should I still use the i5 9600K? My ONLY problem right now is I can NOT afford a CPU water cooler too much for this single dad but it will be my next purchase if it's worth! Any advice?!
I really hate how Intel segments their chips, especially this gen. It's ridiculous that only Pentiums and $500+ Core i9's have hyperthreading enabled.
Segmentation was the scam Intel came up with to combat their 14nm disaster. Make the only hyperthreaded chip so far up the tier that the 8700K would sell out.
If I want a non hyperthreaded chip, the last place I expect to see one is 400usd up the tier with an i7 name on it. Selling to the clueless is Intel's new plan.
considering both intel and amd have gaping security holes on every chip with hyperthreading/SMT im happy to see them getting rid of it.
@@sadystic1 AMD is only affected by one of the original Spectre variant, which was rather easily patched.
Intel on the other hand, has more and bigger holes than the Titanic. Intel is affected by Meltdown and more than a dozen variants of Spectre,
and now even the L1 cache has security faults.
Adrian Chang ok but what does any of that have to do with both amd and Intel's hyperthreading/smt security vulnerabilities???
@@sadystic1 The way side-channel attacks are exploited is mainly through Hyper-Threading / SMT. It exploits the branch prediction of the CPUs to bascially access data that other wise cannot be acess by that thread / process. For exmaple Intel's new Casscade Lake 48 core CPU, seems like Intel is shipping them with HT off to both keep TDP in check and helps mitigate many of its security faults.
I am not an expert on computer security, there are vidoes on for example the Computerphile channel which explains this more in depth.
They need to introduce i4 and i6.
i3 quad core
i4 same with hyper threading
i5 hex core
i6 same with hyper threading
i7 octa core
9900k should've been i8
i9 for hedt platforms
There are no i4 and i6 processors.
@@DoomWalker42 read the first few words
@@2muchjpop ah my bad
because celeron, pentium, i3, i5, i7 and i9 aren't already enough
MineClashTV well I just know in previous gens the i3, i5, and i7 categories all meant different thing
i3- higher core count/speed than pentium cpus
i5-singlethreaded cpu frequency boost
i7- hyperthreading capability
The reason they should introduce more is because they are definitely blurring those lines, like pentium with HT and i7 without
The review I've been waiting for!
i was searching google for this exact thing earlier today. youre the first credible source to post this. aka hardware unboxed hasnt gotten that deep into the 9600k
Hey, I wanted that i5 750!
now's the time to buy! i hear you can get them cheap now!
@@kaylaandjimbryant8258 Surely you mean the i5 760? ;) So much easier to oc than the 750, 4.4GHz no problem with a 760.
Btw, I've seen it said that Intel never had desktop dual-core i5s; they forget the i5 680 (and lesser models), oddly enough a chip that I hope to get past 5GHz, and (unlike modern i5s) it does have HT (2c/4t).
I have one! It's dead tho, but not THAT dead.
I just don't understand Intel's multithreading decisions this year. Not relevant here really, but still.
On another note, even with no multithreading the i5 finally caught up to my old-ass power sucking 4.5 GHz x5660 in multithreading! (Recks it in single core ofc)
Not that I'm upgrading my PC tho, lol. X58 FOREVERRRRR
Sam T I hate how x58 chips are so cheap, but good motherboards are too expensive.
My buddy has x58 with i7 960, i told him you got all kinds of computer there.
nice, im still rocking x58, tho 5670 for moi, it was only 30 quid too, lot faster than ole i7 920
I can buy an I7 980 for 6 usd but here in Romania I find no motherboard for less than 100 dollars. Damn
@@ravocado4566 I guess it's the curse of the HEDT lineups :( I've been using a 5820k the last few years and I was recently looking at what a replacement motherboard would be if mine died and it's starting to mirror how x58 has been since reaching end of life. There's just so few boards out there and what is available is mostly OEM/server stuff and so expensive that it wouldn't make sense to stay with the platform if you need to replace the motherboard :(
Yeah I'm playing Just Cause 3, on a i5 8400, gtx 1060 3gb, 8gb ram.
It locked up, came back and I was dead -,- games a memory hog after looking at my performance charts holy crap.
Was the ram my bottleneck or my CPU having low threads?
I just got an i5 9600k as my i5 2500k was showing some issues with boosting and overclocking. Anyway how do I make sure that my i5 9600k is boosting to 4.6 GHz? As for Far Cry games I do like them but I can play them on console if need be or on my old rig if need be. Also honestly after dealing with all that my experience with RX 5700 XT was I was not going to go with an AMD cpu. In Canada also pricing made sense for me to go the route I did. Btw paid $289.99 on the cpu.
5:00 shows nothing imo, stalls can come from a load of things, usually not the processor itself. Mobo, drivers, bad luck or whatever.
i want to see all these test with a more realistic gpu like the rtx 2070 or a gtx 1070.
Realistic GPU to who? You? Plus you use the best GPU available to make sure the CPU isn't bottlenecked
Got a question: Why does nobody do GPU Blender tests? You can set which you use to render a scene. Rendering with a GPU will render fewer tiles at once, but those are bigger. Not sure if that data would matter.
Con you put in your bench marks the i7 7800x?
I love my 9700k
Intel is the best. Fuck shitzen.
As a 8600k 5ghz user i really don't see when i will feel the need to "upgrade" any time soon to a 9700k or 9900k :/
Why the hell would you even be thinking about that?
ive got a question for you, can you validate the hiccups steve mentioned? i just bought a system with an 9600k. i choose the 9600k because it costs a third less than the 8700k, and while the system is on the way here im kinda worried, i might have been a bad choice.
@@Toni-zz2tb I'd say look up the titles that use Far cry 5s engine and avoid them lol. Plus I'm sure you can tweak settings to lighten the load
@@Toni-zz2tb i played FC5 but tbh din't feel any problem's , probably because i use a RX580 to play , not the best GPU out there
@@RS-bl7mj haha i want a cpu to play every game, dont like the idea to be restricted.
Does the 9700k have similar dips as the 9600k? That would be good to know as someone who is constantly bouncing between 8600, 9700, and 9900k for my next build. If the 9700k has the same issue I would drop it entirely from the running. Price is no concern, I can make my own decisions, I just want to be well informed before pulling the trigger.
Hey Steve, thanks for the review and relation to 8600k, cancelled my order and looked at my budget and ordered an 8700k after your explanation on gaming engines using 8 “cores”!👍🏻 Keep up the good work!💪🏻
@@nickjacobsss he obviously meant to say "threads"...