Hey Brandon, I've become a follower of Jesus Christ almost a year ago and have been following your channel ever since. Most of the videos you comment on, I've already seen before but I love the way you break things down and the thoughts you add. I really appreciate your ministry. May God bless you and your family and your work.
@@Jocky8807 A curious person will try to understand the answer. That loltheist made sure to ignore every answer he got, and kept repeating the same question. He doesn't question Big Bang theory, he doesn't demand "were you there to see the Big Bang?" If he was a logical agent, he would not believe anything that ever happened outside his field of view, before his earliest memory.
@@dkosmari his main question how do you this God would create it? If no witness. If I could borrow from watch at beach argument. If someone found a watch, we probably could infer that it man made. However, if someone name Jesu said I made it. How do you know he is correct? Because that guy want us to do the unimaginable. 🙏
He just is not buying Frank’s Turk claims because they are apriori. They are not claims from deductive and inductive reasoning. The prior assumptions people make depend on what offers them the most utility so it’s a purely subjective decision.
It’s frustrating to watch a willfully Blind person demand proof in the face of multiple proofs he’s willfully ignoring- Creation itself is Proof of the Creator- It’s simple A child can understand that- An Apple is Proof of an Apple Tree- To argue that you need proof while chewing on an apple is Willful Ignorance
Even if they aren’t ready to hear it. Say it in a calm, respectful way still. Sometimes those are seeds that sit in their brain. They don’t like that thing you said but they don’t know why so they keep thinking about it. Maybe only for a day maybe for longer. Maybe they further direct it or put it in the back of their mind but eventually something will remind them of the truth and that seed might be watered. Plant the seeds ❤
Before my awakening I was a big party man and heavy into drugs/alcohol. I was much like this gentleman in that debate. I had a hard time believing in the most high until I suffered a seizure that almost killed me. I found out I’ve been living with a brain disease that ruins lives. I got a second chance even though I felt like I may not have deserved it. Even after 6 seizures. I have been humbled and very thankful for god saving my life along with a talented neurosurgeon, giving me another chance to change my life and belief in the most high. Even when I doubted his existence, he showed me it wasn’t my time to go yet.
Most come to Christ when they have come to the end of themselves and have some life-altering crisis. Sad it has to come to that, but whatever it takes. It's all good as long as it gets you there. God bless you.
the majority of ppl who do end up in Heaven get there via the tribulation era, which will b horrific as 1/3 of all mankind will perish during that time, as the Bible states. but it also states this in Rev. 7:14, bc thats what it takes for mankind to recognize/obey/believe in GOD. @@jodyel
@@Lauren-vd4qe I am not talking about tribulation saints in my reply to the OP. I am talking about church-age saints. We all know (or we should all know) that a huge influx of saints will happen during the tribulation. But many church age saints come to faith via a severe health crisis or other such devastation. I've known many to come that way. My own case was a personal crisis but not health related. It sometimes involves being driven to one's knees or being driven to the end of one's self to actually look up and see God. Not always but a lot of times it does. I say whatever it takes, I am good with it as long as it gets one to faith in Christ. And even if it takes some going thru the tribulation. Better they go thru that and get Christ than to go thru that and be eternally lost.
I love the question "if it were true would you believe it" if they try to deflect or dodge the very reasonable question at all, it shows you the mindset of the person you are speaking too.
Not only that but if they knew it was true, would it still be belief? I'm not sure most atheist comprehend the concept of belief, they're so eager to criticize. That too, when most of them also believe in things like romantic love as independent to, and superior to human brain chemistry, existence of aliens, value of human life even if consciousness is a temporary glitch in neurons designed to increase the chance of DNA reproduction etc. But yeah, like you pointed out they keep asking for proof, without any idea of what that proof would need to be to convince them lol. Reminds me of spoiled children.
If it were true that 37.2 trillion dead and rotting eucaryotic cells magically came back to life, because a few hundred words in an old book says it's so, then I would believe it. However given the complete lack of empirical evidence to support that claim, that is a hypothetical world that I see no good reason to be part of.
If you found Christianity to be false, would you stop believing? I object to your framing. When it comes to Frank, your question isn't reasonable. It's often used by Frank to not answer / deflect a question he was just asked so he can redirect the conversation. Pay attention as it's a common Turek tactic. My answer: I want to know what's true and what's not. I haven't found Christianity to be true. If it was true, I'd believe it, BUT that doesn't necessarily mean I'd become a Christian. The devil is in the details. 😉
@@canal01cult If Christianity were demonstrated to be true, then I would stop being an atheist because I would know god exists. This doesn't mean I'd become a Christian. I find the Christian god to be very immoral. I would have to know the details about hell. What kind of hell is it? Does it exist? Same with heaven. I'd have to know the details before making my decision.
This guy has an incredible amount of patience. The questioner keeps spouting off the same objections and ignoring the answers. His cognitive dissonance is through the roof.
they guy was also butting in not allowing Frank to answer, and having butted in asks another question which Frank starts to answer before the idiot buts in again. This is also a trend in these videos.@@DM-dk7js
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God. The word of God doesn't come back for you cannot use logic to get somebody to get saved being saved is an act of God.. that's why Jesus Christ told Peter flesh and blood has not revealed this to you.. but my Father in heaven. GOD IS A SPIRIT AND THOSE WHO WORSHIP GOD MUST WORSHIP GOD IN spirit AND IN TRUTH. This is why Jesus Christ said that you must be born again. A criminal mind is enmity against God a man that's not born again renewed God by God's holy spirit is at war with God because that mind is sinful. I thank God the Frank is willing to stand there and testify in God's behavior on the real to me he tries to use way too much human logic when that's not going to change the sinners or bring them to awareness that he needs a savior
I think this is for Gods children not the devils. Idk about you but things like this bolster my faith. Ever think it’s all for us? Maybe God isn’t trying to save these people maybe He is trying to share wisdom and knowledge with His children.
I disagree. Existence is necessarily temporal. To “exist outside of time” is not deductive (it’s not even abductive) - this is a classic Turekism and an aporia.
@@andrewwright9960what if God knows he can't be convinced? Just because someone is convinced doesn't mean they will accept the free gift of salvation. But, I've never been convinced that anybody doesn't believe in God .
Hello Brandon, this is Javier. yes, the one in the video. Just had a friend tell me about your channel. I Enjoyed the video. This was the first time I ever debated anybody like this. I was very nervous, my wife who is a believer was in the audience at the time. I had just recently come out as an Atheist after 25 years of believing in God and being involved in the church heavily. I actually had lunch with Frank the next day.
The Bible says that to God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Also His thoughts are above our thoughts. The man is like so many, thinking that the human brain can understand God. Humble yourself to Jesus and have faith.
Why is having "faith" good? The bible defines it as "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen" Why would I want to blindly believe in *anything*, be it good or bad, without evidence? Surely this would be a road to believing many things that aren't true? What do you think?
It's not blind. Just because we don't see ourselves, doesn't mean there isn't a boatload of evidence for it. We have the texts of eyewitness testimony. Watch some JWarner Wallace
@@clashofqueen93 Oh yes he is. I read about it in an ancient book. Trust me, bro. By the way, Jesus died, but came back to life to live in paradise. So, what exactly did he sacrifice?
@ninjaaitools you can mock all you want and I won't entertain the first part but to the second one we are all going to die and be in paradise depending on God's judgment in how we live on earth. Life now and life in the next we are living. So Jesus gave up his life here and was tortured for us and he ended up with God because he walked with God.
I’ve seen quite a few of these videos now. They all have one thing in common. One person, Frank, is willing to listen to the question and then provide a response. The person, asking the question, won’t allow Frank to deliver a full response, without interrupting, as soon as they realise they’re about to get sunk. 😂😂 Hang in there Frank. I know it’s a serious business but is really funny to watch these poor people floundering in their unfortunate, but chosen, ignorance.
It’s pretty exhausting listening to this guy. He doesn’t want to apply faith, he wants full knowledge or nothing. Scripture tells us that faith will be necessary until we have knowledge in heaven. Meanwhile, we must operate by faith and understanding God has given us. I could quote three or four different scriptures but you know them.
A Muslim or Hindu can also use faith to attempt to rationalize their belief. Clearly, faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. To quote “scripture” is to merely restate the claim - you need evidence to support your claim.
@@nitsujism How so, my testimony and experience is in no book. In my own life, experience and searching for several decades, there is incredible evidence and any act not to receive it is a clear act of rebellion.
It is all about the heart and humility. 1 Corinthians 2 says: *These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.* Praying this man humbles his heart and finds Jesus, before He stands before Him. So utterly blessed God opened my eyes and I am not now lost and blinded.
@@youssefguirguess It means what it says. Nothing fails like prayer fails. Prayer works at the same rate as random chance. Pray to the empty juice container in your fridge and pray to God and record the results and you'll find that the empty juice container answers prayers at the same rate as God does. Try it
@@kos-mos1127 subjects such as the cosmos are so immensely complex that we need analogies in most cases in order to scale them down greatly and make them manageable in a discussion. If his analogy did not satisfy you, you can always contribute with a better one instead of turning a commenting thread into empty criticism forum.
People don’t want to follow Jesus because they don’t want to give up things of this world. Frank in my opinion gives the best analogy/ best answers. Praise God.
@@NoEvidenceForGod if you don't mind me asking, why don't you believe Jesus is divine? Are you coming at this believing in the Bible or are you coming at this as an agnostic?
Obviously, the guy didn't want an answer and doesn't want to believe. You have to cut exchanges like that off and tell the person you'll talk with him/her after the Q & A is over. It's not fair to let someone like that dominate all the time when there are people who have legitimate questions and are sincerely wanting to know.
It's sad that you think Jesus would have done this. I encourage you to go to the LORD with this because the Scriptures are clear He desires all to be saved. There is no cutting off a conversation, and there is no time limit, we share Jesus as long as there is breath in us and breath in others. I have seen many people come to Jesus who are way more stubborn than this guy. My grandma hated GOD and Jesus her entire life until months before her death. She'd hang up on my dad for talking about Jesus, yet is with the LORD today with her husband who also became a believer late in life. You either care about people's souls or you don't. That's only something the LORD can give you, and I hope that you seek Him on it. Take care.
Jesus said those who refuse the Gospels we should shake the dust of our sandals and never return. Jesus also taught us to never throw pearls to swine. Don't patronize Christians if they want to focus on hearts that are not hardened. This atheist has all the resources he needs to find evidence, trust , and then to be saved.
@@michelferreira9695 Cool you can repeat verses back showing a lack of understanding of the text. You were to leave if people didn't want you there, this person was actually engaged in the conversation and wanted to have one. Second, Jesus's words were pre-Holy Spirit descending which came at Pentecost. Since only at different times and for different people, temporarily the Holy Spirit came upon people and didn't stay. We see this with David Psalm 51:11 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. As I said this conversation wouldn't have even been considered a confrontational one for me. There were concepts that he wasn't grasping, it's our job to communicate them clearly. You can attempt to insult me or miscategorize me if that makes you feel better. But this may be more about your evangelism in your own life, than my comment. Just a thought.
@@mbfrommb3699 This person was engaged in avoiding critical questions, which prevents any chance to uncover the truth with critical answers. Stubbornness of the heart is not something that an intelectual dialogue can cease, because it's not a mind problem, it's a heart one. "For the Jews required a sign, and the Greek seek after wisdom." Again, don't come in the comments patronizing people with your sense of superior evangelism in order to engage Christians in stupid debates against people that require the impossible in order to accept Jesus.
@@michelferreira9695 It seems your issue with me is that I would like to see Christians not give up so easily with evangelism toward people. For some reason, you take my critique personally and defend the position of ceasing the evangelistic outreach on a person like Javier claiming he requires the "impossible in order to accept Jesus." I'm curious why you would take a general comment and be so personally offended by it. It seems like it hit a nerve that maybe the LORD is trying to show you something that you're bucking against. Just a thought. I wish you well. Take care.
I bring up a point that addresses many of the questions in this video. I'm currently at the point where Hovier asks, "So God interacts with things how could he exist outside of space and time but interact within space and time?" I always point to the theoretical physics narrative in The Flatlands. Brief summary: a man in the second dimension sees a 3rd dimensional ball pass through his paperesc world. But, since he is 2 dimensional he only sees an expanding circle. The depth of the ball is beyond his perception because of his dimensional constraints. On the same not a circle in the 3rd dimension is a 3rd dimensional representation of a second dimensional object. Higher dimensions can become objects of lower dimensions but lower dimensions are only components of higher dimensions. Assuming that God is real and has no dimensional constraints he exists with depths that aren't even fathomable from our 3rd dimension point of view. God could reach into the 3rd dimension and effect and be represented in a 3rd dimensional way but we, as limited beings could not reach upward into higher levels. We could only rise as representations of ourselves. A component of us could increase in dimensional steps but God could extend himself to all percievable degrees within the limitations of the lower dimension into the lower dimensions. He can see all of this around us. It is simple by comparison. We cannot see upward to the 4th 5th or 6th dimension because our physical eyes cannot percieve. Although our math can prove some of it theoretically.
Even if God were in a fourth spacial dimension, then this doesn't really address the matter of the origin of the space itself. It is an interesting perspective though.
@@mesplin3I think that the Christian implication would be that God exist beyond the 4th as well. He would be in double digit dimensions and beyond while simultaneously being able to exist within each expansion of dimensions if he willed to be. I see your point in the context of God being in the dimension directly above us. But if he existed in all dimensions beyond that as well and all of those levels were as simplistic to him as a single circumferance circle of a ball is to us his ability to understand and manipulate anything existing in those finite constraints would be limitless. My main point, of course, was just to address the guy in the video asking the question essentially: if God can reach his hand into our physical world would that not imply that he is constrained in some way or tethered to this world? I'd suggest the answer is no because the downward effects of higher plains to lower plains is a one way street. Higher spaces can effect lower ones without limit but lower ones can't change their state of being to exist in higher ones I appreciate your feedback to my original comment. Also, I only contemplate these types of ideas and don't test them mathematically like a physicist might. So, my perspective could be totally wrong and totally assumptive
Right - If space is 3 dimensions and time the fourth, then God would be able to operate from dimension 5+ "outside of space-time" on down into our 3D experiential reality.
Technically, a 2d creature wouldn't even see a circle, only a line, as he'd need to exist in 3d to be able to observe 2d simultaneously. But good illustration regardless.
Hi, Brandon. I just started watching your channel, and I wanted to say thank you. Thank you for letting the clip run, and for only chiming in to clarify or add valuable insights. It's difficult to watch people monologue and essentially think out loud, without adding any value to the content. I appreciate that you respect your viewers' time. I could watch your channel all day, and never feel a sense of time wasted. And for that, I have subscribed. Thank you!!😊
Indeed. If I were in the audience I would ask this guy to stand down and let the people behind him take the mic. The man by the podium should know better. Pearls before swine. Shake the dust off.
@@dakotabeesonyour simplifying one’s revelation, reason, and deduction of the fundamentals of science and philosophy, our own reality, down to something that the Bible doesn’t even claim. Do your research before saying things.
I love Frank Turek (and your channel). His ability to use logic and the Good Word all together is, in itself, a fine art he has mastered to such a degree... It's more than just destabilizing for atheist arguments, if one can hear him with honesty. He's each time poking that common belief among skeptics, that logic/science and faith are incompatible, which is nonsensical (I also love John Lennox and his view on that particular subject). Let's rejoice ourselves that God made such eloquent people among us, grounded in logic, to also bravely bear the cross for us on the frontline. Because it really is a fierce spiritual battle. It gives me hope, knowing that among those who really open their hearts, and listen to them with honesty, some will hear the call, and choose to answer. Love to you all, brothers and sisters. May the return of our Lord be soon and God bless you abundantly.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that thousands of years ago, he 1. exposed Satan the Devil as a LIAR, the Father of LIES, and Murderer of human beings as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 8: 44 2. revealed the Creator as the Only True and Sovereign God as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 17: 3 and 3. revealed that he was authorized and sent by the Creator from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written and recorded by Luke and apostle John in the BIBLE, in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, and all RELIGIONS BRING DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATH Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same.... Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all all kinds of Religions in the world who are openly filling the world with their - 1. Satanic LIE and false claim that the Creator is cruel, merciless, unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God 2. LIES and Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", "immortality of the soul or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", and "reincarnation" still DON'T KNOW and just can't understand that the their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, DISOBEDIENCE, and DEFIANCE of the Creator's Sovereignty written in John: 17: 3 and Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 will definitely result in nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and their ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever is the proof that they were lied to, deceived and MURDERED by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and MURDERER of human beings as exposed by Jesus Christ thousands of years ago. SUBMISSIVENESS and OBEDIENCE BRING HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH Jesus Christ KNOWS that his Followers are not Atheists, Evolutionists or members of any Christian and non-Christian Religion and all Liars and spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH that the SUBMISIVENESS and OBEDIENCE of his lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers to his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are not for nothing but will definitely bring them honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, hypocrites, and murderers. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals and all Liars and spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDON of GOD" or HIs Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Amen. Frank puts into mind Paul on Mars Hill in Athens reasoning with the philosophers in Acts 17:16-34. These videos reach a lot of people and then the Holy Spirit does the rest. Paul said “ I planted , Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.” 1 Corinthians 3:6.
Why hasn't Frank (or anyone one else on the planet) submitted their evidence for god and claimed the Noble prize as the first human being to ever confirm that a god exists?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Well, first, probably simply because such evidence is not a subject recognized for a reward by the Nobel Prize Organization... There are only 6 disciplines taken into account, and theology is not one of them... And second, more certainly because Frank (or any other real Christian for that matter) has no interest whatsoever into receiving such kind of prize... as all the glory is for God and not for the men battling for his Kingdom.
The guy asking questions might have been genuine but I don't think like he had the capacity to understand the answers given which were brilliant by the way.
I don't think he was being genuine because every time Frank would answer he'd be interjecting with the next thing. He wasn't even trying to digest what was said. The fact he had another challenge loaded in the cannon shows that he wasn't considering the answer and instead was thinking of a rebuttal before Frank was even done talking.
@@ninja3687Frank kept interjecting with all laws require a law giver which is nonsense. The laws of nature are the summaries of the behavior of matter and motion.
@@kos-mos1127 "The laws of nature are the summaries of the behavior of matter and motion." No they are not. You realize that the human genome contains about 3 billion base pairs fitting and matching in perfect sequence. This doesn't just line up by chance or accident. The lines of code in DNA are so intricate and sophisticated that most biologists say its beyond any computer program created by humans. If you think that happens by accident and not by some designer, then what would you say if we were walking along the beach and saw the message "John loves Jane"? Would you assume that also came about by chance? You'd be thinking irrationally and that line is only 13 characters long.
No, he is very good at taking your question, twisting it into another question of his own and rambling about complete bullsh!t until you are so confused about what he is talking about that you just give up because he is so full of sh!t. He is a master of bullshitery.
He's a deflector, Jesus spoke of them: "The Jews seek for a sign, but none shall be given except the sign of Jonah. Three days in the belly of the deep, then I shall rise again."
I can't figure out if it's that, or that he knows there is a possibillity but for some reason, he doesn't want have anything to do with it, so he's coming up with everything possible to refute it.
Frank Turk was being dishonest. The Big Bang does not say space, time and matter had a beginning. They teach that in High School but then in college they teach the Big Bang was the start of the expansion of the Cosmos.
This guy has a poor grasp of epistemology. He’s like a child unable to grasp two concepts that require a relationship between the two in order to exist as ideas first
@@josephrich3509 51 people hitting the like button is evidence of people caring. Even if there was no likes and no other comments than yours, you leaving a comment is evidence of you caring. For me, Javier is in a battle to either disprove the idea of an Intelligent Creator or to seek Him. I don't know if he was being honest or trying to find a gotcha moment. That's between Javier and God. All I can say is that I hope Javier knows God before he meets Him.
If space matter and time... blah blah blah. Nobody knows for sure about the beginnings of the universe or even what questions to ask about it. This is where professional apologists go these days to attempt to find God in the unknown. Pretty lazy really.
I can relate with the objector in this video so much. Historically I’ve held tacitly to the notion that it’s solely up to God to change my mind, change my will, and change my desires in general. Even today I am often so strongly tempted to resort to this comfortable, but nefarious belief. When we find ourselves slipping into this belief of “it’s not up to me, but up to someone else to convince me or change me,” it becomes exceptionally difficult for anything or anyone to have any influential impact on us, other than our own strong desire to believe what we already are currently wanting to believe, which, is usually so tacitly held that we don’t realize we’re doing it. When we truly begin to submit ourselves to the idea that something else or someone else has a better explanation for how something works, or how things are, that’s when we begin to open ourselves up to being convinced otherwise. It’s usually an uncomfortable feeling to say the least.
KNOWING my Father exist is not the same as believing he exist. KNOWING places you in a position where it becomes possible to deny his holy spirit for the spirit of Satan instead KNOWING places one in a very dangerous position. It's why few are given KNOWLEDGE of him. My Father won't give it unless he feels it's safe to do so. It's best to let most believe he exist only. Belief allows a second chance if Satan is chosen. All believers will have doubts regardless of what they confess if they are without real life experience of a spirit realm. My Father will reveal himself to all in time. If you refuse his offer, he won't prevent you from entering the grave of no conscious thought. I can't see anyone refusing.
I hope that man reads your words because that is exactly what he needs to hear. The strong yet tender preacher has done his best to explain it like you did but the atheist is still fighting and struggling to accept GOD's existence. Poor, poor atheist.
Interrupting is a bit annoying but Frank talks so fast and goes through his well learned presentation while this guy is asking his questions off the cuff and needs to make his questions before the topic is gone
I actually thought he was being honest. Up until the end when I wasn’t sure if he was just stuck in the details or if he was actually dodging the question. I have a friend who does this and it is very frustrating
@@mudfan061In our hearts we want the non-believer to believe so much that we make the mistake of trying to convince the non-believer. A skeptic will not believe until evidence is presented. A cynic will not believe even if evidence were presented. Always know that Jesus never asked us to convince anyone, only to simply present the gospel. The convincing is the job of the Holy Spirit. God never sends anyone to hell, people go willingly because they reject Jesus (such an act is known as the unpardonable sin). The Holy Spirit will work through our prayers. 🙏
It's clear he is not looking for truth, because he's doing everything he can to avoid the implications of his words. He sets an impossible standard for truth that - if applied universally in life - would make it impossible for him to believe anything. I think it's interesting how he rejected Frank's deduction about the nature of a creator, but was happy to accept that space-time had a beginning without having been there himself to witness it.
He is cut from the same cloth as the rather rotund long haired fellow who used the term "gish gallop" with no irony. That is a fun watch, it is on Frank's channel.
@@lawrenceeason8007Logically, debating a belief with counter-belief is not evidence to act superior. And morally corrupt is the main feature of godlessness.
@@Taehcchallenging the logic of believing in something that has no verifiable evidence of existing. It’s a logical question/challenge We find superior morality outside the bible
Kudos to Frank for his patience. I would've lost my mind here. It's so easy to understand Frank's point. I'm nearly pulling my hair with this guy's questioning over and over.
The questioner has probably read Dawkins, Hitchens and co. I used to be angry at these new atheist publicists for leading so many people astray But now I think different. Seeing how amazingly insightful the answers given to this atheist are, I now see that Christian apologetics have been substantially fortified by the exchanges and trials - often suffering humiliating insults from these know alls . These new atheists actually served (unwittingly) to steel man the arguments for God. It took some time for sure but here it is. In one sense believers are now in a better place than they were in the 1980s. Glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth.
Another thing i think about from time to time is that people, many people, who deny gods existence really just dont want to give up their own selfish sins. They want to be righteous in their sins and dont want to be told what they are doing is bad and they need to repent. I thought Frank was starting to catch him when he brought up his background and whether or not he's honest with himself. One word of advice from a former atheist turned Christian, be humble, humble yourself in front of God. Be honest with yourself and once you do that youll be able to see the truth and love that God has with all who take refuge in him. Amen.
Humility is the key. Good answer too as many do not wish to live under anyone else's authority much less God's. RC Sproul has so many good sermons that discuss this.
In my journey, I’ve come to understand that God responds to faith, not to knowledge. Faith is a matter of the heart, while knowledge is the matter of the brain. God doesn’t care about how much “knowledge” we have, but how much “Faith” we have. Glory to God 🙌
Jesus Christ KNOWS that thousands of years ago, he 1. exposed Satan the Devil as a LIAR, the Father of LIES, and Murderer of human beings as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 8: 44 2. revealed the Creator as the Only True and Sovereign God as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 17: 3 and 3. revealed that he was authorized and sent by the Creator from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written and recorded by Luke and apostle John in the BIBLE, in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 FREELY and WILLFULLY MOCKING and OPPOSING the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST Thousands of years later.... present time, Atheists, Evolutionists, and Satanists KNOW and are fully aware that they are freely and willfully mocking and opposing the Creator's Sovereignty and openly filling the world with their Satanic LIE and false claim that the Creator is cruel, merciless, unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God and Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all all kinds of Religions in the world also KNOW and are fully aware that they are freely and willfully mocking and opposing the Biblical authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" and openly filling the world with their LIES and Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", "immortality of the soul or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", and "reincarnation" ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, SATANISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM BRING DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same.... all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are openly and deliberately filling the world with Satanic LIES and false teachings against the Creator and his Christ still DON'T KNOW and just can't understand that their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, disobedience, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's Biblical authority and teachings will definitely bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever..... proof that they were lied to, deceived and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of human beings as exposed by Jesus Christ thousands of years ago. HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH for WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR and FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ KNOWS that all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world, and all spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH that the submissiveness and obedience of his lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers to his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are not for nothing but will definitely bring them honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, hypocrites, and murderers. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals and all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world, and all spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDON of GOD" or HIs Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
If you started with 2 apples and someone took away 1, then you're left with just 1 apple. The guy in the video: "How do you know that? Were you there to see the apples? That's just your claim!"
@@schlauchmeister234 No, its an example of you using a disanalogy in attempt to disprove his point which doesn't work. The deduction being attempted is this: Spaceless timeless thing created the universe. Assertion God. Science has provided more plausible alternatives. So Turek reasoning is fallacious, its the black and white fallacy. He has no argument. The guy pointed out that there is no actual reason to assert God. Nothing you've stated has changed that fact.
@@francisa4636 No, the assertion is that if space, time, and matter began to exist, then their cause must be spaceless, timeless, and immaterial - qualities satisfied by God. Science has not provided anything "more plausible" because science is incapable of being applied to God at all. Science can only tell us about the natural world. God, by definition, is supernatural and is beyond the capabilities of science.
@@djdarklyceum That's true, but you could correct a brother with a little more kindness. Although a red flag went up when you used quotation marks around the word flock.
"This guy is showing something very important. Many are called few are chosen. I'd be worried if I were him." ---------------I don't see why you'd be worried. Nothing in the bible is ever directed at 21st century unbelievers, so you have no justification to expand the NT's targeted audiences beyond the first century in the first place. All those warning about hell cannot be shown to apply to anybody alive today.
These types of Q & As are great, it gives us a means of natural convos in which to address. The socratic dialogue back and forth is essential to address these questions.
Imagine going up in front of a crowd and being humble enough to ask genuine questions and being open to the answers. Javier has guts and I respect that. Ultimately while logic sometimes convinces people, I think often it’s experiencing God themselves that will change hearts. I pray that he finds the truth. 🙏🏻
Even worse, although I did not finish the video, he didn't appear willing to consider the other person's answers. For example, when asked, "If you saw Jesus rise from the dead would you become a Christian?" he twisted and turned like a twisty turny thing, evading the question and opening up new lines of questioning. I *despise* the mental and moral indolence that allows a mind to do that! To me, such people are not worth the time of day to debate with because it is like pouring the liquid of wisdom into a muddled head already full of ignorance. The wisdom runneth over never even touching the sides of the head of the obdurate and committed hypocrite. (Hypocrite because he asks questions the answers to which he is not willing to actually listen to and consider.)
Totally agree!! Javier has guts. It takes alot of guts to stand up there and make a total idiot out of yourself, as Javier did. He was so stupid, that he was unable to grasp basic deductive logic and reasoning.
Once you open the door a tiny crack to a transcendent being who created the universe, the inescapable conclusion is that you are accountable to that being. That's what Javier was fighting against in that video, and why he wasn't willing to answer even just the hypothetical "If it were true, would you believe?" question. Fundamentally, unbelief is not due to lack of evidence. It's due to our willful rebellion against the Creator's authority over us.
@@Theo_Skeptomaiatheism is the ULTIMATE example of irrationally confused "thinking." atheists put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed, unguided accident can be "trusted" to give them "truth." I don't have enough blind faith to be an atheist!
I love how much this guy cares about these topics. I often find myself asking the same questions, but I'm more willing to just shrug my shoulders and say well God must be real, since my brain hurts thinking of life any other way.
I think this guy is honestly trying to figure things out. He is a honest man that just wants to understand things. It ultimately boils down to what story do you want to live in. Do you want to give up control to God? Can you accept suffering as part of Gods plan? Can you live with the possibility that there is a God that loves you?
No you do not. You may trick some atheist who do not understand basic philosophy or science. Those that do understand how apriori assumptions are made will easily dismantle Frank Turk.
@@kos-mos1127 looking forward to seeing you debate him, or reading your in depth 'dismantling' But maybe you can't be bothered or you're just full of it?
@@thesolidsnakealpha Nah I just do not have time to waste debating nonsense. I would have to schedule time off to debate him which means I burn a vacation day to legitimize his ideas.
It is so amazing how Frank is so patient with him. This gentleman is not seeking the truth. I am afraid he is adamant about refusing to say yes to that he would accept Jesus if the resurrection of Jesus truly happened. This shows why so many people are willing to reject Christ even though they hear. This is why it is the grace / gift of God.
That's quite an interesting way to put it. He is concealed just enough to be merciful to those who don't want Him, but is always there at the door. The problem for some, I suppose, is are they really honest when they say they were seeking God? Like do they actually want Him? Because after many interactions with some, it becomes quite clear the reasons why they would not want Him. Whether they see it or not. I normally deduce it back to something they are not willing to give up.
It was quite obvious, when Frank asked him, if he would become Christian, if it was proven true to him. He would not. He made up his mind, he hates God.
@@lawrenceeason8007 Who said "invisible"? Can't you loltheists even use accurate language, you always have to twist what was said? Ask your strawman to pay attention.
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It's so hard, because most people aren't train or have practice in thinking logically at this higher level. He's lost in his comprehension. The speaker is so patience! Praise God that this person is willing to enter into conversation.
You can tell when people don't want to ponder Frank's answers, and all they want to do is interrupt and pepper him with more comments. Patience is so critical.
I've met many people like this. They want to explain their position and not have any pushback. Javier is very interested in living his own life and having peace about that. A big key to this, is the continual interruptions and moving on to something different.
My easy way of belief in god is video games does the guy who made the game is he stuck inside the game? I like the wood explanation kudos the student was super chill and unbiased offering a good train of logic amen
This guy just wants to be right. I watched a woman wake up from death and die 3 days later. So this gentleman is exhausting. Also, if you get out of America, you can see the reverance to the Lord in other countries!! ❤
@@RS54321 When someone says they watched someone wake up from death, then I have to find out if their definition of death is the same as mine and 99.9% of other peoples. Because so far everyone who has died has remained dead. Death is a state that there's no coming back from.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596Let's say people get the correct answer, do you think people will abide by it all of a sudden? Of course not! It's not a matter of finding the correct answer. People want to refuse the knowledge and truth given just so they can do whatever and live however they want without consequences.
@@ralphangel561 If god exists and there are consequences for not believing, how does rejecting the truth that God exists avoid those consequences? I can't avoid being burnt just by refusing to believe fire exists. Gravity still does what it does whether I believe it or not. So I don't see how just refusing to believe a god exists helps me live without consequences. People don't choose to not believe, they're either convinced or they're not, it's not a choice, I can't choose to believe Unicorns exist just as much as I can't choose to believe my wife doesn't exist.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 my friend there are consequences, lets move off the topic of god for a second. Are you happy with where your life is and are you fulfilled as person with no regrets?
My pastor said, “It’s better to believe and live as if there is a God and die and find out there isn’t one rather than not believing and living as if there isn’t one, dying, and finding out there is one.” Those words have always stuck with me.
Insanely intelligent yes, spirit filled nope. I think he doesn't even know the true gospel of Christ who tells us:if you love me, keep my commandments John 14: 15 Be not deceived!
I absolutely love your channel! I was listening to this while working and I had to stop and rewind cause of the, "could wood create wood if wood wasn't created yet by wood... Thought Frank was about to throw in the "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck" tongue twister..😂 😂 But seriously thanks for all your hard work.
It is difficult speak with a person who questions everything the opposite side, but they don’t question there own side because they don’t have answers for they believes. Always the atheist are like this kind of people.
Yeah, I’m pretty much always arguing against the Bible but I have a lot of respect for Frank. He seems like he is coming from a good place and it’s refreshing because a lot of religious people can be very pushy. Obviously that’s not a religious person only trait, this kid just has a ton of questions but he really needs to take some time to develop his own answers. If you question everything but never formulate your own opinion then what is the point of even asking the questions to begin with.
“If we don’t desire him at all, he will not force himself on us” A WORD Thank you for that, it is so true and can be hindering to people who are “waiting” for proof or movement before allowing themselves that mustard seed.
@@vp-systems4375 The laws of nature did not do anything as they are summaries of the behavior of the Cosmos. Furthermore when cosmology talk about the Cosmos they are talking about all matter and energy. That is why galaxies and other objects are known as structures of the Cosmos.
While he was asking genuine questions, he was also not being honest with himself and was basically prideful without realising it. I can say this with confidence becuase I use to do this a lot too until reality smacked me in the face. 😅 It's ok to take a moment, consider you might be wrong and explore the logical conclusions of another person's view. You can always go back to your own view at the end. I think what scares people is that once they open the door, they will know that are wilfully rejecting something they can't refute. With eternity on the line, that is a terrifying prospect.
I just want to preface this comment by saying as of the time I'm making this comment, I have yet to watch this or any other "so-called" responses, reactions or commentaries on this particular interaction. But based on the interaction alone, which I have watched, it appeared to me that this guy is EXTREMELY dishonest, disingenuous, and lacks even the most basic critical thinking skills, and his reaction seemed to be at best a juvenile and childish attempt to just submit Turek from mere exhaustion, by simply testing Turek's patience. I gotta commend Turek for his patience, he dealt with it far better than I could have. I'm curious to see a different perspective though.
Yes but more importantly there is in this man a desperate cry for God to make him believe, as some or maybe a few atheists are willing to admit. They want to believe and want or would like God to force or just simply make them believe against their will. Faith is not an option for it suggests a less than perfect belief and result in a less than perfect knowledge and experience of God. Fortunately, faith is our saving grace for in it we recieve forgiveness and see at last what love a father has for his children.
@@somethingtothinkabout167 Atheist do not want to believe in God. Atheist wants reliable evidence that God is real. As God the most efficient way to get people to believe would be to reveal yourself to a society with sufficient understanding of science and technology. At which point a sufficient amount of people would believe in the Christian God to sway atheist philosophically.
@@kos-mos1127 not sure you can speak for all atheists as when I was a one time athiest other athiest arguments convinced me they were nuts. Like me their preoccupation with God suggets they clearly believe it could be true and desperately seek to know it is. Hence the demand for evidence. Given the number of times athiests frequent christian comments sections of youtube videos, there is a sneeking suspicion they do honestly seek God. It has been said if you frequent gay bars you are probably gay so stop denying it. Personally I wouldn't bother identify myself in terms of something I did not believe in. As such I do not identify as an anti flat earther. A part from that, there is a sense where atheists do believe they are their own gods.
You mean reveal yourself to a society like Jesus did? He was killed for that Man does not want the truth. He wants to live his life the way he wants. God has given us a freewill to do so.
Am I getting this right? He is arguing that just because he has never seen someone rise from the dead with his own eyes in his lifetime, means that, ..he would Not be able to recognize if someone rose from the dead right in front of him..? Am I missing something?
I don't understand why people like him bother going to these type of things. They dont really want to know the truth. I think they only come to argue or make themselves dig their heels in harder
To stop nonsense from spreading around by offering an alternative viewpoint. The fact that Christians cannot handle light criticism means that it’s a man made religion like all others.
Amazing how NO other religions have a God who was willing to sacrifice themselves to save us. Thank you Jesus for loving us beyond what we will never understand until we know you.
@@lawrenceeason8007 no other religion addresses humanity’s brokenness, which is evident in violence and suffering. That’s why it was required. To redeem our brokenness.
@@orca_noob896oh? So your god couldn’t choose a different path for the remission of sin other than violence, bloodshed and suffering? And speaking of suffering…why did this god design it?
This is similar to what an applogist I heard back in the 80s describe it as. The engineer that creates the computer doesn't live inside it and put the numbers on the screen.
Its hilarious because his denial of God is exactly predicted in the Bible. Not his specifically but in general its said that people will deny existence even though the evidence is everywhere.
Wow. Past believers in a religion incorporated a message in their scriptures to future believers that affirms their confirmation bias? 😱🙄 Evidence is everywhere? Then it should be EASY to demonstrate your god exists, right?
@@utubepunk **** my response to a post saying GOD is a fairytale , not needed**** Reasons for a GOD, GODS, or some kinda CREATOR…. 1-ORDER & DESIGN, whenever i see “anything” that’s complex, it screams a DESIGNER….clothes have a seamstress, meals have a cook, buildings have an architect, cars have assembly workers, etc…… if these all have a DESIGNER, the complex Universe must have 1 as well….if the Earth moved a bit closer to the Sun, we would melt, a bit farther away, we would freeze….it’s perfectly located & somehow sustains the perfect location for Man to exist, for it to exist…. 2-Life….animal, plant, & human life ALWAYS comes from animal, plant, & human life, never has it come from non-life….NEVER 3-Objective morals, such as… -the abuse of a child -rape -murder are ALWAYS evil, never are the Subjective, the only way that can be true is there must be a GOD, GODS, CREATOR, that defines morals, defines what’s good or evil, if not, Man decides…..THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME….see Mussolini, Pot, Adolph, Charles Manson, KKK, Mao, Stalin, Democrat Party, etc….. 4-love, in order for there to be TRUE LOVE, we must have been created with a soul, a personhood, a Me, it’s who we are outside of us just having a body…..if not, we are just pond scum that has evolved to a higher order & LOVE is just a chemical reaction, we just dance to our DNA….my observation of life tells me otherwise, we can either CHOOSE to love or not…in order for LOVE it must be freely given or it ain’t LOVE…. 5-nothing doesn’t become something & for sure, nothing doesn’t become EVERYTHING 6-the Big Bang proves the Universe has a beginning, which means it has a Cause….What’s the Cause of the beginning of the Universe, has to be a non-Cause, GOD, GODS, CREATOR…which isn’t a Cause, but ETERNAL….Einstein the Pantheist, became a Theist because of this 7-Throughout time, every Group of people have sought the reason for their existence (see Anthropology) , the meaning of their life..only way for there to be a TRUE meaning of life, is that a GOD, GODS, CREATOR, made you for a purpose…if not, we just make up our own meaning/purpose for life, which means there isn’t a TRUE meaning/purpose to life, why not commit suicide…. Camu said that 8-we can reason, self reflect, because we have rational minds….A rational mind doesn’t come from the non-rational or a irrational mind, it comes from a rational mind, which most likely is WAY MORE rational than Man’s mind 9-DNA, a single cell has SO MUCH packed information, it’s staggering to convince….that much info in a single cell, screams Creator…..Francis Collins, up until 2021, he headed the Genome Institute for 21yrs, a Believer in GOD/JESUS ***other reasons as well , but that’s a good 8 of why Man should seek out the TRUTH about a GOD, GODS, CREATOR Now, who is this GOD, GODS, CREATOR???? Don’t listen to me or others, but search for the evidence of who this GOD, GODS, CREATOR is…if there is such, we must allow “it” to reveal “itself” on “it’s” terms, not ours…. That’s where JESUS, Muhammad, Confucius, the 3 gods of Hinduism, etc….come into play what does the EVIDENCE, not proof, say behind these claims If someone ask you to prove who JESUS was….. You can’t prove anything, because to truly prove something it means it can’t be another way…we could be living dream, stuck in a Matrix, it’s possible….but what does the evidence say & does it point to REALITY…. Tell them to seek evidence, not proof, of what is worthy of their praise/ worship… Ask them to read the Gospels, Mark, Luke, John, & Mathew as historical narrative of who JESUS is…… There are over 5,800 Greek manuscripts & pieces of manuscripts, 10,000 Latin , 9300 various other ancient languages, that affirm what we have today in the N.T. as being accurate….dating back to the 1st & 2nd Century, some as early as 25yrs after JESUS’s death….. Why JESUS over other beliefs/people ….HE is trustworthy like no other …. 1-HE lived a sinless life 2-HE taught unmatched ethics 3-HE asked HIS FATHER to forgive HIS murderers while dying a horrific death on a Cross & most importantly, 4-HE prophesied HIS death & resurrection, then HE rose from a tomb….it was Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, a very wealthy Jew who was a member of the Jewsish Council, he was well known & a secret follower of CHRIST… Then he appeared to over 500 people in 40days Many of these people suffered a horrific death for following CHRIST not for what they believed, but what they saw, the Risen CHRIST….. People will die for a cause, but they want die for what they know to be a lie….. After HIS resurrection, many Jews who worshipped on Saturday, started following JESUS & worshipped on Sunday, the Jewish Sabbath, because that was the day HE rose from the tomb…. In the next 2 Centuries, 2/3rd’s of the entire Roman Empire worshipped JESUS ________________ A good book, the Case for CHRIST, by Lee Strobel…he set out to disclaim JESUS because his wife became a believer, pissed him off bigtime….so he utilized his skills, contacts, & his position to investigate this fraud named JESUS, but after years of research, he could only come up with 1 conclusion, JESUS lived & HE was who HE said HE was, GOD in human form…. If science is holding you back, their are so many leading Scientist that believe in GOD, JESUS… John Lennox is a great watch Lastly, Albert Einstein was a Pantheist, but after the Big Bang theory came to be, he knew there had to be a CREATOR of some kind….but he hated that, so he came up with a math equation to squash the Big Bang theory…..his compadres pointed out he errored in his equation, he had to come clean, admit he lied to try to disprove the Big Bang….he then became a Deist As for Philosophy, seek out Anthony Flew, regarded as 1 of the Top Philosophers there has ever been…an atheist who turned into a Theist
@@bigtxsdude Oh lordy, the gish gallop. I'm seeing lots of assertions & no real demonstration. Funny you invoke Einstein considering what he said about Christianity. Lol. Is the Kalam Cosmological Argument why you're a Christian? Really? It's a Muslim creation that doesn't even mention god. 🤦 Weird, I've researched the gospels & found them to be unreliable narratives written by anonymous bias authors who weren't first person witnesses. You don't believe everything a cult member says about his cult leader do you? John Lennox. Lol. Okay. 🙄 Einstein admitted he lied? This sounds as reliable as when Christians say Charles Darwin had a death bed conversion. Again, way too many unfounded, non sequitur assertions. I'll give you credit for one thing- thank dog you use paragraphs! Lol. You're claiming your purpose is to be a meat puppet for your god. Why does god need you to anything or for anything? He's supposedly perfect. If only you could see how arrogant, immoral & selfish your religion is. The sooner you see through Frank's shtick, the better.
Well once the ppl who tend to say "trust the science/ the science is settled" also started saying there were more than 2 genders, that's when it became obvious that Christianity had the lock on science. "In the beginning God made them Male and Female" is a factual scientific statement.
@@viyusavery248 I mean I think that there is more than enough evidence to support my claim. Science set out to disprove God and explain our world through rationality and it failed. The more we learn the more it points to the creator. The age of enlightenment is ending. Christianity was initially, and with good reason, skeptical of science.
@@a330flyguy2 - No, Science was not created as a means to disprove God. Some scientists have attempted to use science to do so, but naturally failed. Most scientists throughout history and now, see science as a means of discovering God's creation.
I fail to see how science enforces the existence of God. My understanding is that science aquires knowledge about the natural world and says nothing about the supernatural.
The where part is also great too. We have to remember that time is not just a ticking thing but locations in 4D so then the logical conclusion is that God is not in a place because to be in a place means you have to be within time, in those 4D locations. 5:25 Analogy would be sort of like Carl Sagan's flatlanders
Well done brother... most of these videos really just shows a number of people who are angry with God and because they can't locate Him they decide He doesn't exist... i pray God shows them mercy and opens their eyes in Jesus name
Hey Brandon, I've become a follower of Jesus Christ almost a year ago and have been following your channel ever since. Most of the videos you comment on, I've already seen before but I love the way you break things down and the thoughts you add. I really appreciate your ministry. May God bless you and your family and your work.
Thanks for sharing! This is so encouraging! God is good 🙏❤️
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Welcome to the family! ❤️
Welcome my friend!! Glad to see another citizen of Heaven, let’s go make more
Welcome to the brotherhood and sisterhood!
This guy is very stubborn... Frank's patience is amazing.
Legendary patience
No he just curios.
@@Jocky8807 A curious person will try to understand the answer. That loltheist made sure to ignore every answer he got, and kept repeating the same question. He doesn't question Big Bang theory, he doesn't demand "were you there to see the Big Bang?" If he was a logical agent, he would not believe anything that ever happened outside his field of view, before his earliest memory.
@@dkosmari his main question how do you this God would create it? If no witness.
If I could borrow from watch at beach argument. If someone found a watch, we probably could infer that it man made. However, if someone name Jesu said I made it.
How do you know he is correct? Because that guy want us to do the unimaginable. 🙏
He just is not buying Frank’s Turk claims because they are apriori. They are not claims from deductive and inductive reasoning. The prior assumptions people make depend on what offers them the most utility so it’s a purely subjective decision.
Sometimes you don’t need to answer every question.
Some people are not ready for the truth. This guy is a good example
read my top comment
It’s frustrating to watch a willfully Blind person demand proof in the face of multiple proofs he’s willfully ignoring-
Creation itself is Proof of the Creator- It’s simple A child can understand that- An Apple is Proof of an Apple Tree- To argue that you need proof while chewing on an apple is Willful Ignorance
Enough said.
Yes, he's not ready to believe in things with zero evidence.
Even if they aren’t ready to hear it. Say it in a calm, respectful way still. Sometimes those are seeds that sit in their brain. They don’t like that thing you said but they don’t know why so they keep thinking about it. Maybe only for a day maybe for longer. Maybe they further direct it or put it in the back of their mind but eventually something will remind them of the truth and that seed might be watered. Plant the seeds ❤
“ Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools “ sums it up.
No fr🤣he literally blind to the truth!
Are you talking about Frank or Javier? Because both of them looked like fools on this conversation
@@chetocornios1037 The trans guy. The other guy was right on, but just a wee bit pushy in trying to get his truthful point across.
@@carolcole570 I'm not really sure who the trans guy is
@@chetocornios1037 Sorry, Cheto ! I was thinking of a different video. But, for this one, I was speaking of the guy from the audience at the Mike.
Before my awakening I was a big party man and heavy into drugs/alcohol. I was much like this gentleman in that debate. I had a hard time believing in the most high until I suffered a seizure that almost killed me. I found out I’ve been living with a brain disease that ruins lives. I got a second chance even though I felt like I may not have deserved it. Even after 6 seizures. I have been humbled and very thankful for god saving my life along with a talented neurosurgeon, giving me another chance to change my life and belief in the most high. Even when I doubted his existence, he showed me it wasn’t my time to go yet.
sounds like the evidence of the medspear showing up
Most come to Christ when they have come to the end of themselves and have some life-altering crisis. Sad it has to come to that, but whatever it takes. It's all good as long as it gets you there. God bless you.
the majority of ppl who do end up in Heaven get there via the tribulation era, which will b horrific as 1/3 of all mankind will perish during that time, as the Bible states. but it also states this in Rev. 7:14, bc thats what it takes for mankind to recognize/obey/believe in GOD. @@jodyel
@@Lauren-vd4qe I am not talking about tribulation saints in my reply to the OP. I am talking about church-age saints. We all know (or we should all know) that a huge influx of saints will happen during the tribulation. But many church age saints come to faith via a severe health crisis or other such devastation. I've known many to come that way. My own case was a personal crisis but not health related. It sometimes involves being driven to one's knees or being driven to the end of one's self to actually look up and see God. Not always but a lot of times it does. I say whatever it takes, I am good with it as long as it gets one to faith in Christ. And even if it takes some going thru the tribulation. Better they go thru that and get Christ than to go thru that and be eternally lost.
i totally agree. @@jodyel
I love the question "if it were true would you believe it" if they try to deflect or dodge the very reasonable question at all, it shows you the mindset of the person you are speaking too.
Not only that but if they knew it was true, would it still be belief? I'm not sure most atheist comprehend the concept of belief, they're so eager to criticize. That too, when most of them also believe in things like romantic love as independent to, and superior to human brain chemistry, existence of aliens, value of human life even if consciousness is a temporary glitch in neurons designed to increase the chance of DNA reproduction etc.
But yeah, like you pointed out they keep asking for proof, without any idea of what that proof would need to be to convince them lol. Reminds me of spoiled children.
If it were true that 37.2 trillion dead and rotting eucaryotic cells magically came back to life, because a few hundred words in an old book says it's so, then I would believe it.
However given the complete lack of empirical evidence to support that claim, that is a hypothetical world that I see no good reason to be part of.
If you found Christianity to be false, would you stop believing?
I object to your framing. When it comes to Frank, your question isn't reasonable. It's often used by Frank to not answer / deflect a question he was just asked so he can redirect the conversation. Pay attention as it's a common Turek tactic.
My answer: I want to know what's true and what's not. I haven't found Christianity to be true. If it was true, I'd believe it, BUT that doesn't necessarily mean I'd become a Christian. The devil is in the details. 😉
@@utubepunk of course. The true above of all. And you, why would not be a christian in these terms?
@@canal01cult If Christianity were demonstrated to be true, then I would stop being an atheist because I would know god exists. This doesn't mean I'd become a Christian. I find the Christian god to be very immoral. I would have to know the details about hell. What kind of hell is it? Does it exist? Same with heaven. I'd have to know the details before making my decision.
This guy has an incredible amount of patience. The questioner keeps spouting off the same objections and ignoring the answers. His cognitive dissonance is through the roof.
Yeah Frank didn’t actually answer the questions. That’s why.
@@DM-dk7js He did. You just don't like the answers.
they guy was also butting in not allowing Frank to answer, and having butted in asks another question which Frank starts to answer before the idiot buts in again. This is also a trend in these videos.@@DM-dk7js
Frank's cognitive dissidence is through the roof.
@@DM-dk7js He's not allowed to.
Javier is filled with the spirit of rebellion. No logical argument would convince him of anything.
He's a doubting Thomas. That's all.
💯 % thank you.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God. The word of God doesn't come back for you cannot use logic to get somebody to get saved being saved is an act of God.. that's why Jesus Christ told Peter flesh and blood has not revealed this to you.. but my Father in heaven.
GOD IS A SPIRIT AND THOSE WHO WORSHIP GOD MUST WORSHIP GOD IN spirit AND IN TRUTH.
This is why Jesus Christ said that you must be born again.
A criminal mind is enmity against God a man that's not born again renewed God by God's holy spirit is at war with God because that mind is sinful.
I thank God the Frank is willing to stand there and testify in God's behavior on the real to me he tries to use way too much human logic when that's not going to change the sinners or bring them to awareness that he needs a savior
I think this is for Gods children not the devils.
Idk about you but things like this bolster my faith.
Ever think it’s all for us? Maybe God isn’t trying to save these people maybe He is trying to share wisdom and knowledge with His children.
Many of us were like that when we were younger. I know I was a little snot when it came to a serious discussion of God.
My heart is broken for this man who Frank is talking to. Father Open his eyes To the truth of who you are!!!
*you're praying fall's on deaf ears *
Yes, open this man's eyes to believing in nonsense.
The guy represents our time… People don’t know how to think…
Which is why Frank is wealthy. He takes advantage of religious people.
Frank is making up gibberish
The guy struggles to think critically.
Frank demonstrated the patience of Job.
I disagree. Existence is necessarily temporal. To “exist outside of time” is not deductive (it’s not even abductive) - this is a classic Turekism and an aporia.
Exactly we have been dumbed down so we can't think.
@@findingtimo6538 agreed we don't like the idea of judgment or repentance. For some it is an inability to think though.
Frank's argument ridiculous. God knows how to convince is he is the creator
@@andrewwright9960what if God knows he can't be convinced? Just because someone is convinced doesn't mean they will accept the free gift of salvation. But, I've never been convinced that anybody doesn't believe in God .
Hello Brandon, this is Javier. yes, the one in the video. Just had a friend tell me about your channel. I Enjoyed the video. This was the first time I ever debated anybody like this. I was very nervous, my wife who is a believer was in the audience at the time. I had just recently come out as an Atheist after 25 years of believing in God and being involved in the church heavily. I actually had lunch with Frank the next day.
I hope you have found true wisdom in your search.
I need to grow, this guy is frustrating me to no end! Thank God for Frank!
Right?! Honestly, I would hate to talk to him, I would've just walked away.
Amen!
Frank and his friends give the kingdom a bad reputation.
I wouldn't walk away. Because if you do then you're proving Frank's point of view to be right. Yeah that's why.
Frank is retarded and so are you.
The Bible says that to God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. Also His thoughts are above our thoughts. The man is like so many, thinking that the human brain can understand God. Humble yourself to Jesus and have faith.
If that was the case then God revealing himself would make no sense because we would not compression it.
Why is having "faith" good? The bible defines it as "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen"
Why would I want to blindly believe in *anything*, be it good or bad, without evidence?
Surely this would be a road to believing many things that aren't true?
What do you think?
It's not blind. Just because we don't see ourselves, doesn't mean there isn't a boatload of evidence for it. We have the texts of eyewitness testimony.
Watch some JWarner Wallace
Faith is for when hardship makes us doubt what we know to be true. See C S Lewis, Religion: Reality or Substitute?
@@georgewagner7787 I can write down that I flapped my arms and flew to the shop to buy milk and that 500 people saw it. Does this mean it happened?
“Without faith it is impossible to please God.”
Really nice way to brainwash people
Same for the Easter Bunny. Prove me wrong.
@ninjaaitools Easter bunny isn't God who sent his only living son to die for us on the cross.
@@clashofqueen93 Oh yes he is. I read about it in an ancient book. Trust me, bro. By the way, Jesus died, but came back to life to live in paradise. So, what exactly did he sacrifice?
@ninjaaitools you can mock all you want and I won't entertain the first part but to the second one we are all going to die and be in paradise depending on God's judgment in how we live on earth. Life now and life in the next we are living. So Jesus gave up his life here and was tortured for us and he ended up with God because he walked with God.
The truth wasn't hard to find. It was hard to embrace.
This really goes to show you that more than anything else, coming to Christ as Lord, is a heart issue.
Yes it's a miracle
A heart issue which we all possess. It's the work of the Holy Spirit when we believe.
Yes-Javier seemed to have an issue with a God who could send people to hell if they don't believe in Him, thus he rejects God.
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Absolutely! And Javier is only dealing in his head. Faith isn't something he understands; the only thing he believes is what he can see.
I’ve seen quite a few of these videos now. They all have one thing in common. One person, Frank, is willing to listen to the question and then provide a response. The person, asking the question, won’t allow Frank to deliver a full response, without interrupting, as soon as they realise they’re about to get sunk. 😂😂 Hang in there Frank. I know it’s a serious business but is really funny to watch these poor people floundering in their unfortunate, but chosen, ignorance.
Frank isn’t the only one who listens to people who are confused about God, there are millions who witness to people everyday from all over the world.
And so does Frank, very often.
Because Frank is making claims he can't provide evidence for
@@gingercake0907
How could anyone possibly know anything about a god?
This guy wanted God to appear and then prove himself and after a few miracles he’d want to question God to prove he’s not God.
It’s pretty exhausting listening to this guy. He doesn’t want to apply faith, he wants full knowledge or nothing. Scripture tells us that faith will be necessary until we have knowledge in heaven. Meanwhile, we must operate by faith and understanding God has given us. I could quote three or four different scriptures but you know them.
A Muslim or Hindu can also use faith to attempt to rationalize their belief. Clearly, faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. To quote “scripture” is to merely restate the claim - you need evidence to support your claim.
Typical hostile hard hearted atheist.
@@Jonas-gl9ke Romans 1:18-30 says there is enough and from my 59 years of life, I agree.
@@rickwohlfiel7649You've just proven his point.
@@nitsujism How so, my testimony and experience is in no book. In my own life, experience and searching for several decades, there is incredible evidence and any act not to receive it is a clear act of rebellion.
It is all about the heart and humility.
1 Corinthians 2 says: *These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.*
Praying this man humbles his heart and finds Jesus, before He stands before Him. So utterly blessed God opened my eyes and I am not now lost and blinded.
I pray for patience to deal with stubborn people like him...
Nothing fails like prayer
Hey, there's hope for Frank. But not while he's getting paid to keep doubters in the Christian bubble.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 what does even mean?
@@youssefguirguess
It means what it says.
Nothing fails like prayer fails.
Prayer works at the same rate as random chance.
Pray to the empty juice container in your fridge and pray to God and record the results and you'll find that the empty juice container answers prayers at the same rate as God does.
Try it
Guy was asking questions, he didn't even raise his voice nor was he rude to Frank. It was a good interaction imo.
The fact that an author doesn’t live within his book does not mean he didn’t write it, or that the book wrote itself.
The Cosmos is not a book.
@@kos-mos1127Thanks, Sherlock. Ever heard of an analogy?
It's more like a super advanced computer game....so who is the developer?.😊@@kos-mos1127
@@Wachary1 Your analogy is not useful Sherlock.
@@kos-mos1127 subjects such as the cosmos are so immensely complex that we need analogies in most cases in order to scale them down greatly and make them manageable in a discussion. If his analogy did not satisfy you, you can always contribute with a better one instead of turning a commenting thread into empty criticism forum.
People don’t want to follow Jesus because they don’t want to give up things of this world. Frank in my opinion gives the best analogy/ best answers.
Praise God.
I want to follow Jesus but am not convinced he is divine in any way so I don't. If I was convinced, then I'd follow him. Pretty simple.
What would I give up ? When I die I can't take anything with me from this world so why would I be afraid of giving it up?
I did want to follow him, but. Other people just had better arguments and logic.
I love how you speak for all non-believers because you heard someone say it in your church.
@@NoEvidenceForGod if you don't mind me asking, why don't you believe Jesus is divine? Are you coming at this believing in the Bible or are you coming at this as an agnostic?
Man, good on him for taking these people on and trying to get thru to them. I sure couldn't do it. That guy is really frustrating.
Obviously, the guy didn't want an answer and doesn't want to believe. You have to cut exchanges like that off and tell the person you'll talk with him/her after the Q & A is over. It's not fair to let someone like that dominate all the time when there are people who have legitimate questions and are sincerely wanting to know.
It's sad that you think Jesus would have done this. I encourage you to go to the LORD with this because the Scriptures are clear He desires all to be saved. There is no cutting off a conversation, and there is no time limit, we share Jesus as long as there is breath in us and breath in others. I have seen many people come to Jesus who are way more stubborn than this guy. My grandma hated GOD and Jesus her entire life until months before her death. She'd hang up on my dad for talking about Jesus, yet is with the LORD today with her husband who also became a believer late in life.
You either care about people's souls or you don't. That's only something the LORD can give you, and I hope that you seek Him on it. Take care.
Jesus said those who refuse the Gospels we should shake the dust of our sandals and never return. Jesus also taught us to never throw pearls to swine.
Don't patronize Christians if they want to focus on hearts that are not hardened.
This atheist has all the resources he needs to find evidence, trust , and then to be saved.
@@michelferreira9695 Cool you can repeat verses back showing a lack of understanding of the text. You were to leave if people didn't want you there, this person was actually engaged in the conversation and wanted to have one.
Second, Jesus's words were pre-Holy Spirit descending which came at Pentecost. Since only at different times and for different people, temporarily the Holy Spirit came upon people and didn't stay.
We see this with David Psalm 51:11
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
As I said this conversation wouldn't have even been considered a confrontational one for me. There were concepts that he wasn't grasping, it's our job to communicate them clearly.
You can attempt to insult me or miscategorize me if that makes you feel better. But this may be more about your evangelism in your own life, than my comment. Just a thought.
@@mbfrommb3699 This person was engaged in avoiding critical questions, which prevents any chance to uncover the truth with critical answers.
Stubbornness of the heart is not something that an intelectual dialogue can cease, because it's not a mind problem, it's a heart one. "For the Jews required a sign, and the Greek seek after wisdom."
Again, don't come in the comments patronizing people with your sense of superior evangelism in order to engage Christians in stupid debates against people that require the impossible in order to accept Jesus.
@@michelferreira9695 It seems your issue with me is that I would like to see Christians not give up so easily with evangelism toward people. For some reason, you take my critique personally and defend the position of ceasing the evangelistic outreach on a person like Javier claiming he requires the "impossible in order to accept Jesus."
I'm curious why you would take a general comment and be so personally offended by it. It seems like it hit a nerve that maybe the LORD is trying to show you something that you're bucking against. Just a thought. I wish you well. Take care.
Going in circles with this young man… praying for him ❤️🙏🏽✝️
He's old
@@vee6175Age is relative. If you’re 90, he’s young.
I bring up a point that addresses many of the questions in this video.
I'm currently at the point where Hovier asks, "So God interacts with things how could he exist outside of space and time but interact within space and time?"
I always point to the theoretical physics narrative in The Flatlands. Brief summary: a man in the second dimension sees a 3rd dimensional ball pass through his paperesc world. But, since he is 2 dimensional he only sees an expanding circle. The depth of the ball is beyond his perception because of his dimensional constraints.
On the same not a circle in the 3rd dimension is a 3rd dimensional representation of a second dimensional object. Higher dimensions can become objects of lower dimensions but lower dimensions are only components of higher dimensions.
Assuming that God is real and has no dimensional constraints he exists with depths that aren't even fathomable from our 3rd dimension point of view. God could reach into the 3rd dimension and effect and be represented in a 3rd dimensional way but we, as limited beings could not reach upward into higher levels.
We could only rise as representations of ourselves. A component of us could increase in dimensional steps but God could extend himself to all percievable degrees within the limitations of the lower dimension into the lower dimensions.
He can see all of this around us. It is simple by comparison. We cannot see upward to the 4th 5th or 6th dimension because our physical eyes cannot percieve. Although our math can prove some of it theoretically.
Great point. Seems logical to me. Reminds me of the parables/analogys in the bibel.
Even if God were in a fourth spacial dimension, then this doesn't really address the matter of the origin of the space itself. It is an interesting perspective though.
@@mesplin3I think that the Christian implication would be that God exist beyond the 4th as well. He would be in double digit dimensions and beyond while simultaneously being able to exist within each expansion of dimensions if he willed to be.
I see your point in the context of God being in the dimension directly above us. But if he existed in all dimensions beyond that as well and all of those levels were as simplistic to him as a single circumferance circle of a ball is to us his ability to understand and manipulate anything existing in those finite constraints would be limitless.
My main point, of course, was just to address the guy in the video asking the question essentially: if God can reach his hand into our physical world would that not imply that he is constrained in some way or tethered to this world?
I'd suggest the answer is no because the downward effects of higher plains to lower plains is a one way street. Higher spaces can effect lower ones without limit but lower ones can't change their state of being to exist in higher ones
I appreciate your feedback to my original comment. Also, I only contemplate these types of ideas and don't test them mathematically like a physicist might. So, my perspective could be totally wrong and totally assumptive
Right - If space is 3 dimensions and time the fourth, then God would be able to operate from dimension 5+ "outside of space-time" on down into our 3D experiential reality.
Technically, a 2d creature wouldn't even see a circle, only a line, as he'd need to exist in 3d to be able to observe 2d simultaneously.
But good illustration regardless.
Hi, Brandon. I just started watching your channel, and I wanted to say thank you. Thank you for letting the clip run, and for only chiming in to clarify or add valuable insights. It's difficult to watch people monologue and essentially think out loud, without adding any value to the content. I appreciate that you respect your viewers' time. I could watch your channel all day, and never feel a sense of time wasted. And for that, I have subscribed. Thank you!!😊
Frank's exchange with this gentleman made me think of Confucius who said, " When a wise man argues with a fool, two fools are arguing."
Indeed. If I were in the audience I would ask this guy to stand down and let the people behind him take the mic. The man by the podium should know better. Pearls before swine. Shake the dust off.
Oh the irony. A fool believes a book because the book says to.
@@dakotabeeson said the fool
@@KL-pb9fx said the fool
@@dakotabeesonyour simplifying one’s revelation, reason, and deduction of the fundamentals of science and philosophy, our own reality, down to something that the Bible doesn’t even claim. Do your research before saying things.
I love Frank Turek (and your channel). His ability to use logic and the Good Word all together is, in itself, a fine art he has mastered to such a degree... It's more than just destabilizing for atheist arguments, if one can hear him with honesty. He's each time poking that common belief among skeptics, that logic/science and faith are incompatible, which is nonsensical (I also love John Lennox and his view on that particular subject). Let's rejoice ourselves that God made such eloquent people among us, grounded in logic, to also bravely bear the cross for us on the frontline. Because it really is a fierce spiritual battle. It gives me hope, knowing that among those who really open their hearts, and listen to them with honesty, some will hear the call, and choose to answer. Love to you all, brothers and sisters. May the return of our Lord be soon and God bless you abundantly.
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that thousands of years ago, he
1. exposed Satan the Devil as a LIAR, the Father of LIES, and Murderer of human beings as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 8: 44
2. revealed the Creator as the Only True and Sovereign God as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 17: 3 and
3. revealed that he was authorized and sent by the Creator from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written and recorded by Luke and apostle John in the BIBLE, in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, and all RELIGIONS BRING DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATH
Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same....
Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all all kinds of Religions in the world
who
are openly filling the world with their -
1. Satanic LIE and false claim that the Creator is cruel, merciless, unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. LIES and Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", "immortality of the soul or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", and "reincarnation"
still
DON'T KNOW and just can't understand
that
the their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, DISOBEDIENCE, and DEFIANCE of the Creator's Sovereignty written in John: 17: 3 and Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will definitely result in nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
and
their ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever
is the proof that they were lied to, deceived and MURDERED by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and MURDERER of human beings as exposed by Jesus Christ thousands of years ago.
SUBMISSIVENESS and OBEDIENCE BRING HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that his Followers are not Atheists, Evolutionists or members of any Christian and non-Christian Religion
and
all Liars and spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH
that
the SUBMISIVENESS and OBEDIENCE of his lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers to his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
are
not for nothing but will definitely bring them honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, hypocrites, and murderers.
The Creator KNOWS
that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals
and
all Liars and spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH
that
he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right and proper time,
he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDON of GOD" or HIs Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Amen. Frank puts into mind Paul on Mars Hill in Athens reasoning with the philosophers in Acts 17:16-34. These videos reach a lot of people and then the Holy Spirit does the rest. Paul said “ I planted , Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.” 1 Corinthians 3:6.
LOL brainwashed religious wack job!
Why hasn't Frank (or anyone one else on the planet) submitted their evidence for god and claimed the Noble prize as the first human being to ever confirm that a god exists?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Well, first, probably simply because such evidence is not a subject recognized for a reward by the Nobel Prize Organization... There are only 6 disciplines taken into account, and theology is not one of them... And second, more certainly because Frank (or any other real Christian for that matter) has no interest whatsoever into receiving such kind of prize... as all the glory is for God and not for the men battling for his Kingdom.
The guy asking questions might have been genuine but I don't think like he had the capacity to understand the answers given which were brilliant by the way.
I don't think he was being genuine because every time Frank would answer he'd be interjecting with the next thing. He wasn't even trying to digest what was said. The fact he had another challenge loaded in the cannon shows that he wasn't considering the answer and instead was thinking of a rebuttal before Frank was even done talking.
@@ninja3687Frank kept interjecting with all laws require a law giver which is nonsense. The laws of nature are the summaries of the behavior of matter and motion.
@@kos-mos1127 "The laws of nature are the summaries of the behavior of matter and motion." No they are not. You realize that the human genome contains about 3 billion base pairs fitting and matching in perfect sequence. This doesn't just line up by chance or accident. The lines of code in DNA are so intricate and sophisticated that most biologists say its beyond any computer program created by humans. If you think that happens by accident and not by some designer, then what would you say if we were walking along the beach and saw the message "John loves Jane"? Would you assume that also came about by chance? You'd be thinking irrationally and that line is only 13 characters long.
He was talking about the moral law not laws like gravity. The Law ( singular) of Nature
It means the fact that humans feel they should obey conscience, the "ought "
Have not seen one person win a debate with this guy! He is very good with his great wisdom!!
No, he is very good at taking your question, twisting it into another question of his own and rambling about complete bullsh!t until you are so confused about what he is talking about that you just give up because he is so full of sh!t. He is a master of bullshitery.
@@cottonroberts179full of shit agreed
I love Frank he always knows how to “break it down” for us to understand the more confusing or difficult aspects of God.
Bro he literally talks in enchantment table
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@@MemeLordCrusader what are you even saying?
@@knxcholx have you heard of the hit game minecraft?
@@MemeLordCrusader yeah. I only know the very small basics of it though
He's a deflector, Jesus spoke of them: "The Jews seek for a sign, but none shall be given except the sign of Jonah. Three days in the belly of the deep, then I shall rise again."
I disagree with your assessment that Javier was being totally honest. He was not being honest even with himself.
I can't figure out if it's that, or that he knows there is a possibillity but for some reason, he doesn't want have anything to do with it, so he's coming up with everything possible to refute it.
Frank Turk was being dishonest. The Big Bang does not say space, time and matter had a beginning. They teach that in High School but then in college they teach the Big Bang was the start of the expansion of the Cosmos.
This guy has a poor grasp of epistemology. He’s like a child unable to grasp two concepts that require a relationship between the two in order to exist as ideas first
No one cares if you disagree or not.
@@josephrich3509 51 people hitting the like button is evidence of people caring. Even if there was no likes and no other comments than yours, you leaving a comment is evidence of you caring.
For me, Javier is in a battle to either disprove the idea of an Intelligent Creator or to seek Him. I don't know if he was being honest or trying to find a gotcha moment. That's between Javier and God. All I can say is that I hope Javier knows God before he meets Him.
Every apologetic (defense of faith) class must air this video. Praise God!
If space matter and time... blah blah blah. Nobody knows for sure about the beginnings of the universe or even what questions to ask about it. This is where professional apologists go these days to attempt to find God in the unknown. Pretty lazy really.
I can relate with the objector in this video so much.
Historically I’ve held tacitly to the notion that it’s solely up to God to change my mind, change my will, and change my desires in general. Even today I am often so strongly tempted to resort to this comfortable, but nefarious belief.
When we find ourselves slipping into this belief of “it’s not up to me, but up to someone else to convince me or change me,” it becomes exceptionally difficult for anything or anyone to have any influential impact on us, other than our own strong desire to believe what we already are currently wanting to believe, which, is usually so tacitly held that we don’t realize we’re doing it.
When we truly begin to submit ourselves to the idea that something else or someone else has a better explanation for how something works, or how things are, that’s when we begin to open ourselves up to being convinced otherwise.
It’s usually an uncomfortable feeling to say the least.
Nicely articulated
KNOWING my Father exist is not the same as believing he exist. KNOWING places you in a position where it becomes possible to deny his holy spirit for the spirit of Satan instead
KNOWING places one in a very dangerous position. It's why few are given KNOWLEDGE of him. My Father won't give it unless he feels it's safe to do so.
It's best to let most believe he exist only. Belief allows a second chance if Satan is chosen.
All believers will have doubts regardless of what they confess if they are without real life experience of a spirit realm.
My Father will reveal himself to all in time. If you refuse his offer, he won't prevent you from entering the grave of no conscious thought. I can't see anyone refusing.
I hope that man reads your words because that is exactly what he needs to hear. The strong yet tender preacher has done his best to explain it like you did but the atheist is still fighting and struggling to accept GOD's existence.
Poor, poor atheist.
@aceventura5398 what sort of "knowledge of God" are you referring to?
@@mikecarrol4204 A knowledge that comes from actual experience with the spirit realm
Sorry but that guy got on my nerves because of his constant interrupting
Not mention that when Frank asks him "if Christianity was true would you become a Christian?" and other questions, he dodged them all.
Interrupting is a bit annoying but Frank talks so fast and goes through his well learned presentation while this guy is asking his questions off the cuff and needs to make his questions before the topic is gone
I actually thought he was being honest. Up until the end when I wasn’t sure if he was just stuck in the details or if he was actually dodging the question. I have a friend who does this and it is very frustrating
@@mudfan061In our hearts we want the non-believer to believe so much that we make the mistake of trying to convince the non-believer. A skeptic will not believe until evidence is presented. A cynic will not believe even if evidence were presented. Always know that Jesus never asked us to convince anyone, only to simply present the gospel. The convincing is the job of the Holy Spirit. God never sends anyone to hell, people go willingly because they reject Jesus (such an act is known as the unpardonable sin). The Holy Spirit will work through our prayers. 🙏
@@DreDredel3Jesus said not to cast pearls before swine, after all.
This guy wasn’t honest at all, he was just stubborn and pretty exhausting to leasing to. He doesn’t want the idea of God he just wanted to be right.
Great video Frank - very eye opening - you commentary was spot on with the Q and A
A good question for him would have been, "Is it possible for something be true/real even if you do not believe in it?"
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It's clear he is not looking for truth, because he's doing everything he can to avoid the implications of his words. He sets an impossible standard for truth that - if applied universally in life - would make it impossible for him to believe anything. I think it's interesting how he rejected Frank's deduction about the nature of a creator, but was happy to accept that space-time had a beginning without having been there himself to witness it.
Exactly!!
He’s just waiting to respond he’s not really listening to anything that frank is telling him. Annoying
agreed; read my top comment
He is cut from the same cloth as the rather rotund long haired fellow who used the term "gish gallop" with no irony. That is a fun watch, it is on Frank's channel.
Remember the atheist formula: insult God insult Christians insult Christianity = they win the debate. Makes zero sense.
I don't take anyone wearing flip flops and gym shorts seriously.
He did not insult God or Christianity. He was asking how do you know what you believe is true which is a valid question.
How about just logic, morality and evidence. No need to insult
@@lawrenceeason8007Logically, debating a belief with counter-belief is not evidence to act superior.
And morally corrupt is the main feature of godlessness.
@@Taehcchallenging the logic of believing in something that has no verifiable evidence of existing. It’s a logical question/challenge
We find superior morality outside the bible
Kudos to Frank for his patience. I would've lost my mind here. It's so easy to understand Frank's point. I'm nearly pulling my hair with this guy's questioning over and over.
The questioner has probably read Dawkins, Hitchens and co. I used to be angry at these new atheist publicists for leading so many people astray
But now I think different. Seeing how amazingly insightful the answers given to this atheist are, I now see that Christian apologetics have been substantially fortified by the exchanges and trials - often suffering humiliating insults from these know alls . These new atheists actually served (unwittingly) to steel man the arguments for God. It took some time for sure but here it is. In one sense believers are now in a better place than they were in the 1980s.
Glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth.
sooooo spot on!
Another thing i think about from time to time is that people, many people, who deny gods existence really just dont want to give up their own selfish sins. They want to be righteous in their sins and dont want to be told what they are doing is bad and they need to repent. I thought Frank was starting to catch him when he brought up his background and whether or not he's honest with himself. One word of advice from a former atheist turned Christian, be humble, humble yourself in front of God. Be honest with yourself and once you do that youll be able to see the truth and love that God has with all who take refuge in him. Amen.
Humility is the key. Good answer too as many do not wish to live under anyone else's authority much less God's. RC Sproul has so many good sermons that discuss this.
In my journey, I’ve come to understand that God responds to faith, not to knowledge. Faith is a matter of the heart, while knowledge is the matter of the brain. God doesn’t care about how much “knowledge” we have, but how much “Faith” we have. Glory to God 🙌
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that thousands of years ago, he
1. exposed Satan the Devil as a LIAR, the Father of LIES, and Murderer of human beings as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 8: 44
2. revealed the Creator as the Only True and Sovereign God as written and recorded by apostle John in the BIBLE, in John 17: 3 and
3. revealed that he was authorized and sent by the Creator from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written and recorded by Luke and apostle John in the BIBLE, in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
FREELY and WILLFULLY MOCKING and OPPOSING the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST
Thousands of years later.... present time,
Atheists, Evolutionists, and Satanists KNOW
and are fully aware that they are freely and willfully mocking and opposing the Creator's Sovereignty and openly filling the world with their Satanic LIE and false claim that the Creator is cruel, merciless, unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
and
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all all kinds of Religions in the world also KNOW
and are fully aware that they are freely and willfully mocking and opposing the Biblical authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
and openly filling the world with their LIES and Unbiblical teachings about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", "immortality of the soul or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", and "reincarnation"
ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, SATANISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM BRING DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS
Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same....
all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who are openly and deliberately filling the world with Satanic LIES and false teachings against the Creator and his Christ
still
DON'T KNOW and just can't understand
that their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, disobedience, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's Biblical authority and teachings
will definitely bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever..... proof that they were lied to, deceived and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of human beings as exposed by Jesus Christ thousands of years ago.
HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH for WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR and FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world, and all spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH
that
the submissiveness and obedience of his lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful Followers to his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
are
not for nothing but will definitely bring them honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, hypocrites, and murderers.
The Creator KNOWS
that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals
and
all Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world, and all spreaders of Satanic LIES can only oppose but can never change the TRUTH
that
he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right and proper time,
he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDON of GOD" or HIs Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Faith is I believe because I want to believe. Knowledge is rooted in reality.
@@kos-mos1127 False. A lie can be peddled as knowledge, but lies are twisting of reality. If you believe a lie, is that knowledge rooted in reality?
Faith isn't a path to truth? What belief or action couldn't be justified by appealing to faith?
Yes, indeed.
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If you started with 2 apples and someone took away 1, then you're left with just 1 apple.
The guy in the video: "How do you know that? Were you there to see the apples? That's just your claim!"
If you think that's a remotely applicable analogy you really haven't thought about this at all
@@francisa4636 It's an exaggerated example of not being able to use deductive reasoning, which was exactly one of the issues the guy in the video had.
@@schlauchmeister234 No, its an example of you using a disanalogy in attempt to disprove his point which doesn't work. The deduction being attempted is this: Spaceless timeless thing created the universe. Assertion God. Science has provided more plausible alternatives. So Turek reasoning is fallacious, its the black and white fallacy. He has no argument. The guy pointed out that there is no actual reason to assert God. Nothing you've stated has changed that fact.
@@francisa4636 No, the assertion is that if space, time, and matter began to exist, then their cause must be spaceless, timeless, and immaterial - qualities satisfied by God. Science has not provided anything "more plausible" because science is incapable of being applied to God at all. Science can only tell us about the natural world. God, by definition, is supernatural and is beyond the capabilities of science.
@@francisa4636BINGO!
Edit: Well typed, too.
This guy is showing something very important. Many are called few are chosen. I'd be worried if I were him. 😅
That scripture isn't referring to believers and non believers. It's about people within the "flock".
He cannot worry about what he believes does not exist!
@@djdarklyceum That's true, but you could correct a brother with a little more kindness.
Although a red flag went up when you used quotation marks around the word flock.
"This guy is showing something very important. Many are called few are chosen. I'd be worried if I were him."
---------------I don't see why you'd be worried. Nothing in the bible is ever directed at 21st century unbelievers, so you have no justification to expand the NT's targeted audiences beyond the first century in the first place. All those warning about hell cannot be shown to apply to anybody alive today.
The argument keeps going in circles 🤯🤯🤯
These types of Q & As are great, it gives us a means of natural convos in which to address. The socratic dialogue back and forth is essential to address these questions.
Imagine going up in front of a crowd and being humble enough to ask genuine questions and being open to the answers. Javier has guts and I respect that. Ultimately while logic sometimes convinces people, I think often it’s experiencing God themselves that will change hearts. I pray that he finds the truth. 🙏🏻
Lol no it doesn't take guts if you ignorantly believe you're correct and are smarter it doesn't take guts. It takes confidence you didn't earn.
I thought he sounded foolish, not humble or brave.
Even worse, although I did not finish the video, he didn't appear willing to consider the other person's answers.
For example, when asked, "If you saw Jesus rise from the dead would you become a Christian?" he twisted and turned like a twisty turny thing, evading the question and opening up new lines of questioning. I *despise* the mental and moral indolence that allows a mind to do that! To me, such people are not worth the time of day to debate with because it is like pouring the liquid of wisdom into a muddled head already full of ignorance. The wisdom runneth over never even touching the sides of the head of the obdurate and committed hypocrite. (Hypocrite because he asks questions the answers to which he is not willing to actually listen to and consider.)
@@7ebr830 You’re right. He wasn’t there to learn anything. He was just there to argue.
Totally agree!! Javier has guts. It takes alot of guts to stand up there and make a total idiot out of yourself, as Javier did. He was so stupid, that he was unable to grasp basic deductive logic and reasoning.
Once you open the door a tiny crack to a transcendent being who created the universe, the inescapable conclusion is that you are accountable to that being. That's what Javier was fighting against in that video, and why he wasn't willing to answer even just the hypothetical "If it were true, would you believe?" question. Fundamentally, unbelief is not due to lack of evidence. It's due to our willful rebellion against the Creator's authority over us.
How frank doesn’t show his frustration is beyond me.
How you don't understand the irrationality of Frank's explanation is beyond me.
@@Theo_Skeptomaiatheism is the ULTIMATE example of irrationally confused "thinking." atheists put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed, unguided accident can be "trusted" to give them "truth." I don't have enough blind faith to be an atheist!
@@Theo_SkeptomaiRight? Or as Uncle Bobby of Gin & Truth says _Pizza sleeps fast under the west, therefore for the mudge._ 😄
The grace of God.
@@RS54321 I'll take _Things that don't exist_ for $100, Alex.
I love how much this guy cares about these topics. I often find myself asking the same questions, but I'm more willing to just shrug my shoulders and say well God must be real, since my brain hurts thinking of life any other way.
I think this guy is honestly trying to figure things out. He is a honest man that just wants to understand things. It ultimately boils down to what story do you want to live in. Do you want to give up control to God? Can you accept suffering as part of Gods plan? Can you live with the possibility that there is a God that loves you?
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Thank you so much for this video, I hear this question all the time and now I have a better way to explain my viewpoint
God bless you🙏
No you do not. You may trick some atheist who do not understand basic philosophy or science. Those that do understand how apriori assumptions are made will easily dismantle Frank Turk.
@@kos-mos1127 looking forward to seeing you debate him, or reading your in depth 'dismantling'
But maybe you can't be bothered or you're just full of it?
@@thesolidsnakealpha Nah I just do not have time to waste debating nonsense. I would have to schedule time off to debate him which means I burn a vacation day to legitimize his ideas.
@@thesolidsnakealphaI've warched many Frank Turek interactions. It's amazing Christians fall for his shtick. I wouldn't buy a used car from the guy.
@@utubepunk I'm amazed so many atheists watch so many Christian videos
He dodged every question with a question.
Frank does that often.
He gave answers that you probably didn't want to hear.
It is so amazing how Frank is so patient with him. This gentleman is not seeking the truth. I am afraid he is adamant about refusing to say yes to that he would accept Jesus if the resurrection of Jesus truly happened. This shows why so many people are willing to reject Christ even though they hear. This is why it is the grace / gift of God.
Hes not a bad person, it is like sin or the devil makes people blind. I once was as well. Faith is a gift, you have to ask for it
Who is not a bad person? The Bible says there is none righteous, not even one. None of us are good.
That's quite an interesting way to put it. He is concealed just enough to be merciful to those who don't want Him, but is always there at the door.
The problem for some, I suppose, is are they really honest when they say they were seeking God? Like do they actually want Him? Because after many interactions with some, it becomes quite clear the reasons why they would not want Him. Whether they see it or not. I normally deduce it back to something they are not willing to give up.
It was quite obvious, when Frank asked him, if he would become Christian, if it was proven true to him. He would not. He made up his mind, he hates God.
There is no evidence for God. Also God does not offer any utility so Naturalism is the better apriori assumption.
@@kos-mos1127 "ThErE iS No eViDeNcE fOr GoD" cried the redditor. Keep seething and malding. Let me guess, you also have below 90 IQ.
A god who chooses to be invisible doesn’t want to be “found”
How about god seeking them.
@@lawrenceeason8007 Who said "invisible"? Can't you loltheists even use accurate language, you always have to twist what was said? Ask your strawman to pay attention.
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It's so hard, because most people aren't train or have practice in thinking logically at this higher level.
He's lost in his comprehension. The speaker is so patience! Praise God that this person is willing to enter into conversation.
I really enjoy your videos. They are very educational. Thank you.
frank is so patient!
You can tell when people don't want to ponder Frank's answers, and all they want to do is interrupt and pepper him with more comments. Patience is so critical.
I've met many people like this. They want to explain their position and not have any pushback. Javier is very interested in living his own life and having peace about that. A big key to this, is the continual interruptions and moving on to something different.
My easy way of belief in god is video games does the guy who made the game is he stuck inside the game? I like the wood explanation kudos the student was super chill and unbiased offering a good train of logic amen
This guy just wants to be right. I watched a woman wake up from death and die 3 days later. So this gentleman is exhausting. Also, if you get out of America, you can see the reverance to the Lord in other countries!! ❤
Define what you mean by death
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 define death? Clinically pronounced dead by a medical doctor. Funeral home on way to pick up the body. That death
Lol wut
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Good grief....you sound just like Javier.
@@RS54321
When someone says they watched someone wake up from death, then I have to find out if their definition of death is the same as mine and 99.9% of other peoples.
Because so far everyone who has died has remained dead.
Death is a state that there's no coming back from.
Dealing with people who reject all answers you try and give them would honestly tire me out... I'm glad I'm not called to this ministry of debates 😂
Just because someone gives an answer it doesn't mean it's the correct answer
@@crazyprayingmantis5596Let's say people get the correct answer, do you think people will abide by it all of a sudden? Of course not! It's not a matter of finding the correct answer. People want to refuse the knowledge and truth given just so they can do whatever and live however they want without consequences.
@@ralphangel561
If god exists and there are consequences for not believing, how does rejecting the truth that God exists avoid those consequences?
I can't avoid being burnt just by refusing to believe fire exists.
Gravity still does what it does whether I believe it or not.
So I don't see how just refusing to believe a god exists helps me live without consequences.
People don't choose to not believe, they're either convinced or they're not, it's not a choice, I can't choose to believe Unicorns exist just as much as I can't choose to believe my wife doesn't exist.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 my friend there are consequences, lets move off the topic of god for a second. Are you happy with where your life is and are you fulfilled as person with no regrets?
@@youssefguirguess
I don't want to talk about myself, let's stick to talking about god.
What exactly are you referring to when you use the word God?
My pastor said, “It’s better to believe and live as if there is a God and die and find out there isn’t one rather than not believing and living as if there isn’t one, dying, and finding out there is one.” Those words have always stuck with me.
I like the debate videos and how people interact. May God bless the front line christian soldier in the debates AND the people who attend as well.
Frank Turek is insanely intelligent & spirit filled. Bless him
Insanely intelligent yes, spirit filled nope. I think he doesn't even know the true gospel of Christ who tells us:if you love me, keep my commandments John 14: 15
Be not deceived!
That man needs our prayers.
Lol
I absolutely love your channel! I was listening to this while working and I had to stop and rewind cause of the, "could wood create wood if wood wasn't created yet by wood... Thought Frank was about to throw in the "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck" tongue twister..😂 😂 But seriously thanks for all your hard work.
Also people seem to think that because God can do a thing that he must do it. Which is not the case
Well, god does paint himself into corners several times in the bible.
It is difficult speak with a person who questions everything the opposite side, but they don’t question there own side because they don’t have answers for they believes.
Always the atheist are like this kind of people.
Yeah, I’m pretty much always arguing against the Bible but I have a lot of respect for Frank. He seems like he is coming from a good place and it’s refreshing because a lot of religious people can be very pushy. Obviously that’s not a religious person only trait, this kid just has a ton of questions but he really needs to take some time to develop his own answers. If you question everything but never formulate your own opinion then what is the point of even asking the questions to begin with.
He isn’t being completely honest with himself
“If we don’t desire him at all, he will not force himself on us”
A WORD
Thank you for that, it is so true and can be hindering to people who are “waiting” for proof or movement before allowing themselves that mustard seed.
I love how the responder is trying to get at the heart of the questioner, even though the questioner is clearly trying to be contrarian.
This guy was just talking in circles and circles. He wasn’t even looking to try and understand just looking to respond
Building = builder. Painting = painter. Creation = Creator.
The Cosmos created all this we see around us.
@@kos-mos1127 that would be inline with the evidence
@@kos-mos1127Actually Energy+laws of nature did that, not Cosmos.
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Who created the laws like gravity and nature?
@@vp-systems4375 The laws of nature did not do anything as they are summaries of the behavior of the Cosmos. Furthermore when cosmology talk about the Cosmos they are talking about all matter and energy. That is why galaxies and other objects are known as structures of the Cosmos.
This boils down to pride and people desiring to do whatever they want. Nobody likes following rules but they are for our benefit.
You are right! But Frank doesn't even believe that the ten commandments are for us to keep them!
Be not deceived!
While he was asking genuine questions, he was also not being honest with himself and was basically prideful without realising it.
I can say this with confidence becuase I use to do this a lot too until reality smacked me in the face. 😅
It's ok to take a moment, consider you might be wrong and explore the logical conclusions of another person's view. You can always go back to your own view at the end.
I think what scares people is that once they open the door, they will know that are wilfully rejecting something they can't refute. With eternity on the line, that is a terrifying prospect.
I just want to preface this comment by saying as of the time I'm making this comment, I have yet to watch this or any other "so-called" responses, reactions or commentaries on this particular interaction. But based on the interaction alone, which I have watched, it appeared to me that this guy is EXTREMELY dishonest, disingenuous, and lacks even the most basic critical thinking skills, and his reaction seemed to be at best a juvenile and childish attempt to just submit Turek from mere exhaustion, by simply testing Turek's patience. I gotta commend Turek for his patience, he dealt with it far better than I could have. I'm curious to see a different perspective though.
This is what Christians are number 1 at. Christians do not have an argument so they attack the persons character.
Yes but more importantly there is in this man a desperate cry for God to make him believe, as some or maybe a few atheists are willing to admit. They want to believe and want or would like God to force or just simply make them believe against their will. Faith is not an option for it suggests a less than perfect belief and result in a less than perfect knowledge and experience of God. Fortunately, faith is our saving grace for in it we recieve forgiveness and see at last what love a father has for his children.
@@somethingtothinkabout167 Atheist do not want to believe in God. Atheist wants reliable evidence that God is real. As God the most efficient way to get people to believe would be to reveal yourself to a society with sufficient understanding of science and technology. At which point a sufficient amount of people would believe in the Christian God to sway atheist philosophically.
@@kos-mos1127 not sure you can speak for all atheists as when I was a one time athiest other athiest arguments convinced me they were nuts. Like me their preoccupation with God suggets they clearly believe it could be true and desperately seek to know it is. Hence the demand for evidence. Given the number of times athiests frequent christian comments sections of youtube videos, there is a sneeking suspicion they do honestly seek God. It has been said if you frequent gay bars you are probably gay so stop denying it. Personally I wouldn't bother identify myself in terms of something I did not believe in. As such I do not identify as an anti flat earther. A part from that, there is a sense where atheists do believe they are their own gods.
You mean reveal yourself to a society like Jesus did? He was killed for that Man does not want the truth. He wants to live his life the way he wants. God has given us a freewill to do so.
Am I getting this right? He is arguing that just because he has never seen someone rise from the dead with his own eyes in his lifetime, means that, ..he would Not be able to recognize if someone rose from the dead right in front of him..?
Am I missing something?
I cannot even begin to fathom how much patience Dr T has with people like this.
Asking for evidence. Why is that trying of patience?
I don't understand why people like him bother going to these type of things. They dont really want to know the truth. I think they only come to argue or make themselves dig their heels in harder
To stop nonsense from spreading around by offering an alternative viewpoint. The fact that Christians cannot handle light criticism means that it’s a man made religion like all others.
They really seem to be dying to scream "F you and your God!" An "atheist" did that to me once.
Or…they wish to share the truth of logic and evidence that contradicts this religion
@@lawrenceeason8007 What truth of logic? That something came from nothing?
Maybe the Holy Spirit is leading them to listen so they'll have a chance to hear the truth...God gives everyone a chance.
Amazing how NO other religions have a God who was willing to sacrifice themselves to save us. Thank you Jesus for loving us beyond what we will never understand until we know you.
Amazing how no other gods in no other religions required so much violence, bloodshed and suffering
How about Stalin? He was his own God and killed 50 million of his own people. How about Islm? They're killing people nowadays.
@@lawrenceeason8007 no other religion addresses humanity’s brokenness, which is evident in violence and suffering. That’s why it was required. To redeem our brokenness.
How did that turn out, even if what you stated is granted as true post Jesus the world is even more sinful. It was a failure.
@@orca_noob896oh? So your god couldn’t choose a different path for the remission of sin other than violence, bloodshed and suffering?
And speaking of suffering…why did this god design it?
A video game creator is not physically in the game. He may create an avatar of himself he isn't in the game.
That's an interesting take on this! Thanks for that.
This is similar to what an applogist I heard back in the 80s describe it as. The engineer that creates the computer doesn't live inside it and put the numbers on the screen.
That guy was blinded by pride in his heart just apply humility. God bless you man.
Its hilarious because his denial of God is exactly predicted in the Bible. Not his specifically but in general its said that people will deny existence even though the evidence is everywhere.
That’s not a prediction. It’s just a general statement
Wow. Past believers in a religion incorporated a message in their scriptures to future believers that affirms their confirmation bias? 😱🙄
Evidence is everywhere? Then it should be EASY to demonstrate your god exists, right?
@@utubepunk **** my response to a post saying GOD is a fairytale , not needed****
Reasons for a GOD, GODS, or some kinda CREATOR….
1-ORDER & DESIGN, whenever i see “anything” that’s complex, it screams a DESIGNER….clothes have a seamstress, meals have a cook, buildings have an architect, cars have assembly workers, etc…… if these all have a DESIGNER, the complex Universe must have 1 as well….if the Earth moved a bit closer to the Sun, we would melt, a bit farther away, we would freeze….it’s perfectly located & somehow sustains the perfect location for Man to exist, for it to exist….
2-Life….animal, plant, & human life ALWAYS comes from animal, plant, & human life, never has it come from non-life….NEVER
3-Objective morals, such as…
-the abuse of a child
-rape
-murder
are ALWAYS evil, never are the Subjective, the only way that can be true is there must be a GOD, GODS, CREATOR, that defines morals, defines what’s good or evil, if not, Man decides…..THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME….see Mussolini, Pot, Adolph, Charles Manson, KKK, Mao, Stalin, Democrat Party, etc…..
4-love, in order for there to be TRUE LOVE, we must have been created with a soul, a personhood, a Me, it’s who we are outside of us just having a body…..if not, we are just pond scum that has evolved to a higher order & LOVE is just a chemical reaction, we just dance to our DNA….my observation of life tells me otherwise, we can either CHOOSE to love or not…in order for LOVE it must be freely given or it ain’t LOVE….
5-nothing doesn’t become something & for sure, nothing doesn’t become EVERYTHING
6-the Big Bang proves the Universe has a beginning, which means it has a Cause….What’s the Cause of the beginning of the Universe, has to be a non-Cause, GOD, GODS, CREATOR…which isn’t a Cause, but ETERNAL….Einstein the Pantheist, became a Theist because of this
7-Throughout time, every Group of people have sought the reason for their existence (see Anthropology) , the meaning of their life..only way for there to be a TRUE meaning of life, is that a GOD, GODS, CREATOR, made you for a purpose…if not, we just make up our own meaning/purpose for life, which means there isn’t a TRUE meaning/purpose to life, why not commit suicide…. Camu said that
8-we can reason, self reflect, because we have rational minds….A rational mind doesn’t come from the non-rational or a irrational mind, it comes from a rational mind, which most likely is WAY MORE rational than Man’s mind
9-DNA, a single cell has SO MUCH packed information, it’s staggering to convince….that much info in a single cell, screams Creator…..Francis Collins, up until 2021, he headed the Genome Institute for 21yrs, a Believer in GOD/JESUS
***other reasons as well , but that’s a good 8 of why Man should seek out the TRUTH about a GOD, GODS, CREATOR
Now, who is this GOD, GODS, CREATOR????
Don’t listen to me or others, but search for the evidence of who this GOD, GODS, CREATOR is…if there is such, we must allow “it” to reveal “itself” on “it’s” terms, not ours….
That’s where JESUS, Muhammad, Confucius, the 3 gods of Hinduism, etc….come into play
what does the EVIDENCE, not proof, say behind these claims
If someone ask you to prove who JESUS was…..
You can’t prove anything, because to truly prove something it means it can’t be another way…we could be living dream, stuck in a Matrix, it’s possible….but what does the evidence say & does it point to REALITY….
Tell them to seek evidence, not proof, of what is worthy of their praise/ worship…
Ask them to read the Gospels, Mark, Luke, John, & Mathew as historical narrative of who JESUS is……
There are over 5,800 Greek manuscripts & pieces of manuscripts, 10,000 Latin , 9300 various other ancient languages, that affirm what we have today in the N.T. as being accurate….dating back to the 1st & 2nd Century, some as early as 25yrs after JESUS’s death…..
Why JESUS over other beliefs/people ….HE is trustworthy like no other ….
1-HE lived a sinless life
2-HE taught unmatched ethics
3-HE asked HIS FATHER to forgive HIS murderers while dying a horrific death on a Cross
& most importantly,
4-HE prophesied HIS death & resurrection, then HE rose from a tomb….it was Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, a very wealthy Jew who was a member of the Jewsish Council, he was well known & a secret follower of CHRIST…
Then he appeared to over 500 people in 40days
Many of these people suffered a horrific death for following CHRIST not for what they believed, but what they saw, the Risen CHRIST…..
People will die for a cause, but they want die for what they know to be a lie…..
After HIS resurrection, many Jews who worshipped on Saturday, started following JESUS & worshipped on Sunday, the Jewish Sabbath, because that was the day HE rose from the tomb….
In the next 2 Centuries, 2/3rd’s of the entire Roman Empire worshipped JESUS
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A good book, the Case for CHRIST, by Lee Strobel…he set out to disclaim JESUS because his wife became a believer, pissed him off bigtime….so he utilized his skills, contacts, & his position to investigate this fraud named JESUS, but after years of research, he could only come up with 1 conclusion, JESUS lived & HE was who HE said HE was, GOD in human form….
If science is holding you back, their are so many leading Scientist that believe in GOD, JESUS…
John Lennox is a great watch
Lastly, Albert Einstein was a Pantheist, but after the Big Bang theory came to be, he knew there had to be a CREATOR of some kind….but he hated that, so he came up with a math equation to squash the Big Bang theory…..his compadres pointed out he errored in his equation, he had to come clean, admit he lied to try to disprove the Big Bang….he then
became a Deist
As for Philosophy, seek out Anthony Flew, regarded as 1 of the Top Philosophers there has ever been…an atheist who turned into a Theist
@@bigtxsdude Oh lordy, the gish gallop. I'm seeing lots of assertions & no real demonstration. Funny you invoke Einstein considering what he said about Christianity. Lol. Is the Kalam Cosmological Argument why you're a Christian? Really? It's a Muslim creation that doesn't even mention god. 🤦
Weird, I've researched the gospels & found them to be unreliable narratives written by anonymous bias authors who weren't first person witnesses. You don't believe everything a cult member says about his cult leader do you? John Lennox. Lol. Okay. 🙄
Einstein admitted he lied? This sounds as reliable as when Christians say Charles Darwin had a death bed conversion.
Again, way too many unfounded, non sequitur assertions. I'll give you credit for one thing- thank dog you use paragraphs!
Lol. You're claiming your purpose is to be a meat puppet for your god. Why does god need you to anything or for anything? He's supposedly perfect. If only you could see how arrogant, immoral & selfish your religion is. The sooner you see through Frank's shtick, the better.
I like how Christianity has begun embracing science, because it only reinforces the existence of God.
Well once the ppl who tend to say "trust the science/ the science is settled" also started saying there were more than 2 genders, that's when it became obvious that Christianity had the lock on science. "In the beginning God made them Male and Female" is a factual scientific statement.
Begun embracing???? Science history today CAME from Christian/theistic worldview
@@viyusavery248 I mean I think that there is more than enough evidence to support my claim. Science set out to disprove God and explain our world through rationality and it failed. The more we learn the more it points to the creator. The age of enlightenment is ending.
Christianity was initially, and with good reason, skeptical of science.
@@a330flyguy2 - No, Science was not created as a means to disprove God. Some scientists have attempted to use science to do so, but naturally failed. Most scientists throughout history and now, see science as a means of discovering God's creation.
I fail to see how science enforces the existence of God. My understanding is that science aquires knowledge about the natural world and says nothing about the supernatural.
This dude completely dodged every question.
He is not there to ask questions to learn... he is there to sow doubt.
FAITH✝️, FAITH✝️, FAITH✝️, in The Lord Jesus Christ is all i need.
Frank, you're a mighty man 🖐🏾
I have a lot of respect for Frank to handle these sort of questions.
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The where part is also great too. We have to remember that time is not just a ticking thing but locations in 4D so then the logical conclusion is that God is not in a place because to be in a place means you have to be within time, in those 4D locations. 5:25
Analogy would be sort of like Carl Sagan's flatlanders
Well done brother... most of these videos really just shows a number of people who are angry with God and because they can't locate Him they decide He doesn't exist... i pray God shows them mercy and opens their eyes in Jesus name
May i ask you why you believe in this god and not all the other gods worldwide? Are you angry with them? Only because you can´t locate them?
I like this guy. He is on a desperate hunt for the truth. I hope they got to have a good talk off camera.