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  • Опубліковано 14 лип 2022
  • Aaron discusses a simplified method to diagnose technique mistakes with shot group evaluation and sight behavior.

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  • @02BLACKTAWS6
    @02BLACKTAWS6 2 роки тому +212

    Excellent as always. This doesn't apply to me, though. My sights are off. Low left. All my guns, too. Weird.

    • @captainamer71
      @captainamer71 2 роки тому +10

      🤣🤣
      I have heard many things similar
      My pistol shoots low the sights are off and they are fixed sights and then I shoot it and nope not off

    • @cympimpin20
      @cympimpin20 2 роки тому +5

      kek

    • @Thumpr110
      @Thumpr110 2 роки тому +20

      You just need to aim really high and right. Duh.

    • @timbenham516
      @timbenham516 2 роки тому +2

      🤣

    • @pbj8933
      @pbj8933 2 роки тому +3

      Hey man. Had the same problem. Need to borrow my sight pusher??

  • @brianshuler6951
    @brianshuler6951 2 роки тому +32

    Your thoroughness in your videos is what I spend hundreds of dollars taking classes for. Thank you for your great training.
    "There's no recoil in the gun until the second shot" is a gold nugget that I and many others don't often think about. The first shot is all on us, our grip, anticipation, trigger manipulation, etc. Recoil mitigation affects the subsequent shots in a string of fire.
    I have a similar vertical sight track target, but, i haven't used it because I didn't understand it's full benefit until your explanation of it. Like always, you are just full of useful information! Thanks, again.

  • @hopewilliams6705
    @hopewilliams6705 2 роки тому +18

    I battle the hell out of pre-ignition push and it varies from range session to range session day to day but I have trained through it and Chuck Pressburg made a video that has helped me the most with it and he was absolutely right when he said your non dominant hand is your catchers Mitt I had to refine my grip and a hell of a lot of rigorous dry fire !

  • @Salasshole
    @Salasshole 2 роки тому +5

    I love the barney style red dot graphic. Thank you. This will help me clearly illustrate your point when RDS comes up in a conversation. Yes, I do accredit you. I have a lot of people in my unit who need to hear the gospel of RDS. I often enough get asked what gear or gun accessory, technique I would recommend, and I consistently send them to your channel so they can form their own conclusions. Thank you for what you bring to the table Mr. Cowan. I'm hoping to take one of your courses within the forseeable future.

  • @johnreplogle8775
    @johnreplogle8775 2 роки тому +4

    This is the most helpful tutorial I have ever watched and I’ve watched a lot. Thank you.

  • @anthonytimperio1254
    @anthonytimperio1254 7 місяців тому

    What a wealth of knowledge in one video. Great explanation of how different targets can be completely misinterpreted with unknown parameters. Can't wait to get to one Aaron's classes.

  • @lucasblanchard47
    @lucasblanchard47 2 роки тому +9

    I recently shot a pistol with an optic for the first time at my first ever pistol match a few weeks ago. Shot my Canik Mete SFX with a Patnik Solutions optic plate and a Holosun 507C green ACSS Vulcan reticle. That reticle really helped me find my point of aim much easier. Looking back on my performance and consecutive shot placement, this is some really cool and valuable information to learn from and to think about for next time. Great content as always, much love from Texas!

  • @gunsandcommissions
    @gunsandcommissions 2 роки тому +4

    I've always seen the obvious value in all of the information that Aaron shares with us peasants on this UA-cam channel, but I just took the pistol red dot plunge and omg, this dude is dropping knowledge and we are damn lucky that he's giving us this stuff for free like he does.
    Like, subscribe, and definitely share, y'all!

  • @timking2194
    @timking2194 Рік тому

    Best video I have seen for me to improve my shooting. Thanks

  • @jensverleysen1164
    @jensverleysen1164 Рік тому

    Top notch and well explained as allways! I appreciate your effort you put into all your videos. Helping out alot!

  • @ThePatriotParadox
    @ThePatriotParadox 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks man, this level of instructions for diagnosing our shot behavior and actually what it probably is and how to fix it. Really appreciate it. This new series of videos are the most thorough shooting instructions available. A lot more factual data, with reasoning, that makes sense. Better than 99.9% of any other ”instructor” on UA-cam
    -thank you

  • @arapahoetactical7749
    @arapahoetactical7749 Рік тому

    Aaron, Great video. As an old retired instructor who started teaching in 1980, I've seen how training tools like the diagnostic wheel chart have changed over time as we, instructors and professionals in the industry, have learned and developed better ways of explaining things. The bad thing is that there are a lot of instructors who feel that they had good tools for teaching 5 or 10 years ago and if it worked well for them then, it should still work today. They are Dinosaurs stuck in the tar pit. Every day professionals in the shooting education field are learning more, developing better ways to teach, demonstrate or just explain things and it is the DUTY of anyone who carries the title of instructor to continue their education and stay up on what is new and what works in the industry. Otherwise, they run the risk of stepping off in the tar pit.
    Even though I'm retired, I still teach a private student from time to time and still try to help friends and family with their shooting. This is why I watch your videos and pass them on to folks. Even though I've been in the teaching game for nearly 50 years, I don't know it all and never will as the field continues to develop.
    I also really like the RDS plastic cards you're using, I've moved to red dots on both of my primary pistols and more and more of my friends are making the move as well. I really like how you explain their use and how to use them as diagnostic tools in this video. Thanks again and keep up the great work.

  • @TerminalM193
    @TerminalM193 2 роки тому

    Absolutely LOVE the informative / training type videos you put out most.

  • @laskalives
    @laskalives 2 роки тому +21

    Me diagnosing my target: "I'm no doctor but cancer probably didn't kill him"

    • @GraphixHurricane
      @GraphixHurricane 2 роки тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣 same

    • @lucasblanchard47
      @lucasblanchard47 2 роки тому

      “It was probably those several sizable holes in his body that weren’t there a few seconds ago.” 🤣

  • @Visual217
    @Visual217 2 роки тому

    I love these videos. Thank you for what you do, Aaron. This is another bucket of information to add to my toolkit.

  • @Quality_Guru
    @Quality_Guru 2 роки тому +2

    I was thinking about how it might be challenging to track the red dot using my bulls eye targets then I saw the target that you presented at 8:26. That is ingenious! Can't wait to try it out.

  • @NickJayy212
    @NickJayy212 Рік тому

    Just went to the range yesterday and noticed my dot was dipping and once I actually saw that feedback from the reticle I could feel myself doing it. Thanks, Aaron I never realized I had that issue. I'm gonna get that straightened out.

  • @davidt5085
    @davidt5085 2 роки тому

    Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. I definitely need to work on grip, before and during trigger pull.

  • @MrShortanswer
    @MrShortanswer 2 роки тому

    So great to have free resources like this. Thank you I've printed out your targets and will train with them.

  • @bryanduchane2371
    @bryanduchane2371 2 роки тому +5

    Aaron has a PHD of pistol shooting. Fantastic info for any level of shooter. I've always hated how much trigger disciplined has been emphasized. The smallest muscles are used in the trigger pull and can easily be over come thru the use of smaller targets!!! Hopefully many other teachers are actually watching this and taking! notes during this video!!!!!

  • @RoyRodgersMcfreely
    @RoyRodgersMcfreely 2 роки тому

    Another awesome video. Detailed and thorough.

  • @jakemerica
    @jakemerica 2 роки тому

    I learn an incredible amount of info every video AC. Thanks man. Training class 1 coming up soon. You're efforts are appreciated dude. 🤘🇺🇸

  • @edwinfadabundii3793
    @edwinfadabundii3793 2 роки тому

    I will definitely be applying this at my next range sesh. The point about dot location when deciding to fire vs when the shot actually breaks was especially helpful.

  • @EastCoastMan603
    @EastCoastMan603 2 роки тому +4

    I’ve used Shawn Ryans (YT: Vigilance Elite) 36/300 yard target and feel pretty good with it. For a basic itch like myself; I feel generally confident. Know I can do more. Thank you Aaron.
    That’s for my AR patterns. For my Henry Lever and REM700 (whitetail) I try to just stack x5 at 100.

  • @pv2roach11
    @pv2roach11 2 роки тому +1

    I can listen to you talk about shooting for an hour. I really need to get to one of your classes.

  • @timunderbakke8756
    @timunderbakke8756 2 роки тому

    This was really helpful, even from someone who has been shooting a while. Definitely going to keep the link for consulting again.

  • @ZetaTCG
    @ZetaTCG 2 роки тому

    This has to be by far your best video you’ve put out, Aaron. Zen and Affirmations is a work of art, but this is something Andy Warhol would whip up.

  • @RidersRange
    @RidersRange 2 роки тому

    Excellent and thorough explanation of the process. Thank you.

  • @brettkos3081
    @brettkos3081 2 роки тому

    The breakdown of student's targets at the end of the video is fantastic

  • @hopewilliams6705
    @hopewilliams6705 2 роки тому

    As always a very practical and in depth video!

  • @Cmoth040
    @Cmoth040 Рік тому

    I've been an active LEO weapons instructor for over 20 years. The more experience an instructor gets from training a large variable of shooters, the more they will hopefully understand that the anecdotal information they may have learned at the beginning is simply a foundation tool. When an instructor clings too fervently to the tools, such as the charts mentioned and the ideologies behind them, they're communicating either a lack of experience, a reluctance to accept the lessons they should be learning while teaching, or both. Every shooter is a bit different. There is no such thing as "the best" stance, grip, grape soda... whatever. It's all subjective. The best instructor pays as much attention to their students as they hope the students are paying attention to them. The point is to place as many rounds, as accurately and deliberately as it takes to accomplish the goal in the appropriate space. If you try and make it more complicated than that, your students are going to have a steeper learning curve than necessary. And, as in law enforcement training, when you have an audience that may not actually want to learn the material to the depth they should, not overcomplicating it is really important.

  • @bugman728
    @bugman728 2 роки тому

    Never stop bringing us this knowledge

  • @_Carl_Spackler
    @_Carl_Spackler 2 роки тому +2

    As you’ve said in a previous video, you take as much as you need to thoroughly explain the topic. The same people that say you spend too much time explaining something would also criticize a brief overview of a topic. You can’t please everyone. I say Fuck’em. But then again that’s why I don’t have many friends 🤷🏻‍♂️ I appreciate the the pedantic nature of this channel. Hopefully they never changes.

    • @fog8969
      @fog8969 2 роки тому +1

      Same here. Not only do I like thorough coverage like these videos, I even slow the playback speed to 0.75, turn on CC, frequently click the 10-second back-up button, and watch or listen to the same video multiple times.
      I like for technical and instructional videos to be literate, with the presenter having and using a proper, literal vocabulary, concise, and as lengthy as necessary to cover all of the important information. I prefer the topic to be covered in a single video, rather than split into a series of videos. I often listen to them a second and third time while working on mindless tasks in the office, shop or outdoors.
      I also like videos with two or three knowledgeable people sitting around and discussing an interesting topic about firearms or something related. That's why podcasts like Mike Ritland's and Shawn Ryan's are so good.
      There is a time and place for everything. LIght-hearted and teasing between guys in a video, even throughout a video, suits me just fine. But I'm not interested in having to skip through a bunch of goofy slapstick and other goofy comedy. I like comedy as much as the next person. But if I want to watch comedy, I'll turn on some comedy. I'm dang sure not interested in listening to any loud, distracting, annoying background music.
      Great, useful videos on this channel.

    • @titanscerw
      @titanscerw 2 роки тому

      Primary and secondary might be right up that alley.

  • @joquin4618
    @joquin4618 2 роки тому

    Excellent content. “Diagnose targets accordingly”

  • @dracofire656
    @dracofire656 2 роки тому

    I CANT BELIVE I DIDNT THINK OF THIS!!! you sir are a genius

  • @apocalypse1175
    @apocalypse1175 2 роки тому

    Good shit man, a lot to digest in this one. Thank you for passing on the knowledge.

  • @snurd4788
    @snurd4788 2 роки тому

    This is a incredibly helpful video. Thank you.

  • @lucabrasi8231
    @lucabrasi8231 2 роки тому

    Unbelievable man thank you for all you do brother lay it down 🔥

  • @harambeslifemattered2970
    @harambeslifemattered2970 Рік тому

    Great content!
    Very helpful.

  • @230grainball
    @230grainball 2 роки тому

    Breath of fresh air.......

  • @daveadams7191
    @daveadams7191 2 роки тому

    Definitely going to try the targets out!

  • @joshmajor8662
    @joshmajor8662 2 роки тому

    Awesome info as always!! Thanks man 👍

  • @Turtlefunny
    @Turtlefunny Рік тому

    Great info as always.

  • @geebeaux
    @geebeaux 2 роки тому

    I 100% agree about dots on a pistol. You can easily call each mistake on the fly. Then walk down & confirm. Even on dry fire, it is a great tool.

  • @soflo_impact3454
    @soflo_impact3454 2 роки тому

    By their power combined, I am Captain Planet!
    Lol had to, awesome video and content Cap, I know it’s “your” powers combined

  • @steelercurtain
    @steelercurtain 2 роки тому +1

    Great video and even better shirt! Jk... as a LEO instructor this was ery well done and informative. I will be stealing this tool of instruction

  • @Moonfood78
    @Moonfood78 Рік тому

    My left index finger has better reach on all guns and I'm right handed. Vertical and horizontal error is Jeet Kune Do of explaining this as well. 10/10

  • @billtaylor1656
    @billtaylor1656 2 роки тому

    Great video. I learned alot just from watching. However watching a video is nothing compared to shooting and applying.

  • @davidcollett2657
    @davidcollett2657 2 роки тому

    Great information

  • @jimbeaumont1353
    @jimbeaumont1353 2 роки тому

    Outstanding!

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 2 роки тому

    Great stuff!

  • @thejohnhend
    @thejohnhend 2 роки тому

    Thanks Aaron

  • @danielsimpson1225
    @danielsimpson1225 2 роки тому

    Great info

  • @billkampouris2286
    @billkampouris2286 2 роки тому

    Sage advice.

  • @jasonmpd2946
    @jasonmpd2946 2 роки тому

    "Congratulations you have two problems"...lol. Great video

  • @jason2800
    @jason2800 2 роки тому

    Good stuff, thanks

  • @timbenham516
    @timbenham516 2 роки тому

    Thank you good sir.

  • @tims708
    @tims708 2 роки тому

    A little gem.

  • @Chevron.Muskoka
    @Chevron.Muskoka Рік тому

    This is officially my favorite video of all time. Not often do I find ANYONE with a similar concept to my own when it comes to diagnosing issues and Im always irritated with the online community and those fucking generic graphics mostly based on shooting data in the 70s and the forward isoscles shooting positions.
    Every industry I'm involved in has some 40yo outdated crap thats presented as gospel because of some boomer's recollection of their glory days.
    Enjoy the ranty run-on sentences,thanks for coming to my TED talk

  • @vincentc2466
    @vincentc2466 2 роки тому

    thanks aaron

  • @affenrasierer19
    @affenrasierer19 2 роки тому

    Thx for the great video. What if the dot leaves the window on the way up and still drops low after that to come up into the target again?

  • @goodnameyt6675
    @goodnameyt6675 Рік тому

    Thanks man!

  • @fog8969
    @fog8969 2 роки тому

    Here is a grip problem you might be having that produces the result that in every draw and initial presentation you make to target, the initial location of the dot is consistently off horizontally in the same direction (off to the left when shooting RH, or off to the right when shooting LH). This can occur using the "standard" grip that you often see taught, that being:
    placing the vee of your shooting hand as high on the backstrap as possible,
    shooting hand three fingers around the grip,
    support hand four fingers firmly over those three fingers,
    support hand palm over the empty space of the grip,
    support hand thumb extended forward with end located on the bottom portion of the slide,
    shooting hand thumb laying relaxed in forward position alongside the upper side of the support hand thumb,
    most of the grip pressure coming from support hand,
    adding leverage by bringing your elbows out a little bit.
    Problem occurs when no matter how hard you try to relax your shooting hand thumb, you're applying inward pressure to the upper part of the grip with the base of your shooting hand thumb. That twists the pistol in your shooting hand and thus initially places your dot off target in the direction of the twist (off to the left when shooting RH, or off to the right when shooting LH).
    Solution is to place your shooting hand thumb on or behind the base of your support hand thumb. That will keep you from applying that pressure that throws your shot off, and it will still not affect the firm seating of the backstrap in the vee of your shooting hand.

  • @scdave100
    @scdave100 2 роки тому

    This is gold.

  • @martintangman366
    @martintangman366 2 роки тому

    Very helpful

  • @Felenari
    @Felenari 2 роки тому

    Good watch ty.

  • @garypostell5268
    @garypostell5268 2 роки тому

    All providing ones using good ammo as well!

  • @gunsandcommissions
    @gunsandcommissions 2 роки тому

    16:50 - yes, please do.

  • @boss350z5
    @boss350z5 Рік тому

    at 50yd with a handgun that's a phenomenal group...

  • @63xMortis
    @63xMortis 2 роки тому

    40 yards, 10 shots, 15 second. I dub the Eli challenge! I challenge you to see how many you hit with a handgun of your choice. Strictly Irons. At least 8 hits to pass

  • @tripplej6053
    @tripplej6053 2 роки тому

    Can you please come to southwest washington and teach a class. I understand if the answer is no. Great material. Thank you

  • @davepayne2024
    @davepayne2024 2 роки тому

    Awesome

  • @bestrelax6253
    @bestrelax6253 2 роки тому

    👍👍

  • @NiMi93
    @NiMi93 2 роки тому +2

    My go-to has always been paper plates and index cards -what is the science behind training with vital/spine silhouette visuals? Is our brain supposed to register where the heart is during an altercation and shoot there?
    I always assumed I'd use my accuracy (and ability to call shots) to get as many rounds on the center mass of a moving/behind-cover target until the threat is stopped. Don't get me wrong, I'm clear on using 3D targets -but the vitals/spine approach seems too high fidelity when we'll really be shooting at essentially a skin sack

    • @SageDynamics
      @SageDynamics  2 роки тому +4

      I don’t think there is a definitive answer on what sort of target is going to give you the best paper to people results.

    • @NiMi93
      @NiMi93 2 роки тому

      Me either,@@SageDynamics just curious as I've seen your videos shooting those vital targets and wanted to know the reason

    • @GraphixHurricane
      @GraphixHurricane 2 роки тому

      @@NiMi93 it's just reiterating center mass.

    • @Heywoodthepeckerwood
      @Heywoodthepeckerwood 2 роки тому +1

      Aim small miss small. It’s an old cliche but if you train to hit a smaller zone in the center of a target, hitting center mass will be easier.
      I train on steel 1/4 A zone targets. When I compete, hitting the A zone on an IPSC target is very easy.

    • @SageDynamics
      @SageDynamics  2 роки тому +5

      @@NiMi93 I like anatomical representations because they imply what you would have hit. All shooters should know where vitals are. A shocking number of people can’t even get the heart location right and have been taught incorrect things about the great vessels and brain stem. To be better at breaking the human body, you have to understand it better than scoring zones.

  • @musicman1eanda
    @musicman1eanda 2 роки тому

    Could we get a detailed video on recoil anticipation vs "pre ignition push"?

  • @farhan.naushad
    @farhan.naushad 2 роки тому

    In absence of a red dot, would it be the front sight post moving up and down in this channel?

  • @Patrick_Bateman____
    @Patrick_Bateman____ 2 роки тому

    He says “nebulous” at 23:30
    You’re welcome

  • @calholli
    @calholli 2 роки тому

    I saw this on a forum once.. Guy posted a picture and said: "What MOA is this, I'm not sure about how far it was" -- lol.. Might be important

  • @timbenham516
    @timbenham516 2 роки тому +1

    I was having failure issues because my grip is to strong for the glock 48 I can feel the mag well flexing. Installed a shield arms premium mag well and it fixed the problem. In case anybody else is having the same problem hope this helps.
    : Correction it was the Tyrant arms mag well I chose it over the shield arms because of the design. Tyrant arms had a inner lip that the bottom lip of the mag well slipped in and reinforced it all the way around, with a nice tight fit unlike shields with no inner lip.

  • @robertgatewood514
    @robertgatewood514 2 роки тому +1

    Can we just get a gif of Aaron going "I need more information" so we can use it as a canned response?

  • @DisgustedGenXr
    @DisgustedGenXr 2 роки тому

    22:24 “Grip” loses grip. 😂😂😂

  • @jturner5227
    @jturner5227 Рік тому

    Would a first time RDS buyer be better off leaning the basics with a 22lr or 9mm? Are the skills transferable? Does it give you a false confidence when moving to a lager caliber?

    • @TommyTombstone
      @TommyTombstone 8 місяців тому

      It will help you with all but recoil management

  • @hakansoderholm6514
    @hakansoderholm6514 2 роки тому

    2:nd target - when I did know the distance - I was thinking maybe a beginner forgeting that the bullet is Under the sight. And the low hits was the first hits.

  • @ThatNiceDutchGuy
    @ThatNiceDutchGuy 2 роки тому

    Video your training (not just the results) might give some valuable feedback and insights also.

  • @SumerDefense
    @SumerDefense 2 роки тому +1

    Can I use your videos to teach shooters in another language?

  • @onpsxmember
    @onpsxmember 2 роки тому

    One video on compromising grip after reloads and how to fix it please.

  • @lordhellfire153
    @lordhellfire153 2 роки тому

    I very quickly learned that chart was completely bullshit when I tried applying it to both my S&W N Frame revolver followed by my P229.
    It's literally not possible

  • @botkill3635
    @botkill3635 2 роки тому

    The only piece I disagree with is the whole grip pressure idea. The concept that uneven grip pressure makes a group wander means you couldn’t shoot accurately with one hand.

  • @johncrosser8783
    @johncrosser8783 Рік тому

    When will you be Teaching in Arizona?

  • @bunnyoperator
    @bunnyoperator 2 роки тому

    "By their powers combined" 🤣 #based

  • @callmecamo2
    @callmecamo2 2 роки тому

    It always looks like there's snow on the ground behind you. That's my random and unhelpful observation.

  • @musicman1eanda
    @musicman1eanda 2 роки тому

    Isn't recoil anticipation the dip occurring just before the pull?

  • @miltonoliver3705
    @miltonoliver3705 2 роки тому

    Uncle nearest and sagedynamics

  • @zerofire3172
    @zerofire3172 Рік тому

    My dot dips on every trigger pull on my m18.

  • @rickm4295
    @rickm4295 2 роки тому

    Did i catch a dig at Taran Butler? Thanks for that ,lol. He just oozes arrogance...he is good though but he makes sure you know it.

  • @LeifyGuy
    @LeifyGuy 2 роки тому

    I had to film myself in slow motion to realize I was dipping after recoil

  • @scotthalladay2210
    @scotthalladay2210 2 роки тому

    Won’t they still be neutralized if you hit spine, lungs, heart, spine, heart heart?

    • @woodrowcall3158
      @woodrowcall3158 2 роки тому +3

      Spine, maybe. If you destroy or severely damage the cord.
      Lungs, not necessarily. There are two of them, and I packaged a guy who survived a shot to the lung from a rifle.
      Heart, maybe. Might instantly drop them, might take 10-30 seconds.
      Wait, I see what you are saying now.

    • @scotthalladay2210
      @scotthalladay2210 2 роки тому

      @@woodrowcall3158 I see your point thank you

  • @donkeydefense
    @donkeydefense 2 роки тому

    The shot group is never really enough just to diagnose. I can look at a shot group and generate a hypothesis, but without the data of seeing what they were doing it will always be a hypothesis, not a fact.

    • @SageDynamics
      @SageDynamics  2 роки тому +2

      It’s one part of the equation. Even observing a shooter, there are some fundamentals you can’t “see” and the shooter may not be able to describe what they are doing well enough. Using reticle optics helps a lot, but it’s not a simple process unless your bar for accuracy is low.

  • @javiernavarro3839
    @javiernavarro3839 2 роки тому

    This isnt the Sierra 5 review :(

  • @michaelparker9918
    @michaelparker9918 2 роки тому

    Romeo 2 review video?