I Tried an all DOUBLE BATTLES Hardcore Nuzlocke
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2022
- First ever Hardcore Nuzlocke, hope this goes well..
Rules:
1) Can only catch 1st appear to appear on route (after getting the Pokedex)
2) If a Pokemon Faints cannot be used again
3) Cannot get the same Pokemon twice (Species Clause)
4) Cannot level up higher than next Gym Leader's strongest Pokemon
5) If all Pokemon get KOed, it's GAME OVER!
6) Standard Jrose Rules (No items in battle, set mode, no cheating/glitches)
I stream at twitch.tv/Jrose11
Edited by: SimplyAJ ( / simplyaj ) - Ігри
"Don't let the mistakes stack"
"Lombre's at low health, it should be fine"
real subtle transition there
“Don’t let mistakes stack” is currently carrying half a squad fifteen levels under what they should be lol
I can understand the "Don't cheat in rare candies" thing. But some of the deaths were a bit "Don't worry. Sure it´s low health but it´s fine". Well it´s the first nuzlocke.
@@lurkingone7079 one thing that made all the deaths a benefit is him using such a unique team for the elite 4.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 That is the beauty of a nuzlocke. You are forced to use pokemon you normally would not consider. And make strategies around them. He still beat the nuzlocke. Even with all the setbacks.
@@lurkingone7079 yeah he ended up with a cool team. I'd like his play through a lot since most Nuzlockers have the strategies and encounters down to a T. Good switch uo from the Gen 1 list videos.
The rare candy patches I've seen don't give access to them until after you've made it to the daycare. The logic is at that point you've always got the option to level up 100% safely by using the daycare and biking around for a few hours. The daycare is both the optimal play and soul-crushingly boring, and giving you rare candies for the price of the daycare provides no benefit other than to your own limited time on this earth.
So the rare candy meta really took off in Emerald Kaizo twitch community.
The v1.0 rare candy meta was as you describe - access after getting to Day Care. But then this led to usually 3 hours of grinding all your team 6-8 levels before Mauville, and getting to Wattson took 2-3 streams.
Because people were grinding on level 4 mons they could always oneshot, patch v2.0 made them sellable immediately to make content far faster and get more people to watch the earlygame. And you could pretty consistently get past Wattson in one stream, after which the game needs to be played slower.
I agree in principle that candying is always 100% fine after DayCare but pre-DayCare is generally fine too, but either way I highly recommend removing EVs from roms if you’re using candies. EVs are a broken mechanic in general and the removal of risk from grinding using candies balances well with removing EVs, an advantage the player has over the AI (in most games, excluding gen 7 & BDSP).
Daycare can and will delete moves your pokemon has, so it is a risky thing to do
@@TheRedAzuki That’s true, but in that case the optimal play is the grind the daycare until a Pokémon is about to level up then grind on level 2 Pokémon. Either way it’s extremely annoying but optimal. For the record I’m against using candy but I can still where they’re coming from
@@spegasparce1389 most interesting pokemon gameplay 2022
I get where J Rose is coming from re:grinding. You absolutely can die, especially if you aren't paying attention.
But even having said that, I still use rare candys in many of my runs because I'm trying to fight the big battles. Could I lose a mon grinding? Sure, but I'm not going to spend hours grinding (which I usually find boring) where I have to pay complete attention if I have rare candys as an option. Still keep the level cap of course, but I enjoy it far more just using rare candies and diving right into the trainer battles.
Jrose going from “I won’t abandon you no matter how many times you faint” to “if you fall once you’re dead to me” is an arc I didn’t know I needed but am here for
Watching him lose so many pokemon to being slightly impatient hurt me physically but was also so relatable.
The one that hurt the most was breloom because it wasn't going to die without either magnitude 10 or like a magnitude 9 crit. It sucks, but you always need to play around those situations because as unlikely as they may be, the more times you risk it, the more times you have to be punished and eventually it catches up to you.
Everything bad that can happen will eventually happen
As FlygonHG says - always play around the Crit.
Thats kinda beauty of non rare candy pokemon nuzlocke, you lost the calculative and prediction challeneges and instead trying to running into major battle earlier and lose.
I feel like comments like this is why jrose changed the way he does nuzlocke videos. He went from "here's my suffering in my nuzlocke run" to "here's a guide to guarantee you got that pokemon you need to win".
Jrose: "Destiny bond is fine"
Narrator: "Destiny bond was not fine."
I read that in Morgan Freeman's voice
yeah, not sure why he thought Destiny Bond wouldn't be a problem
RIP
@@InfernosReaper yeah there's a lot of times in this when he loses pokemon to just pure misplaying, like when he lost magneton(?) because he just wouldn't switch it out and thought he could kill the opposing mon
Has will-o-wisp, but attacks wobb directly. Ughhh
Jrose: starts talking about random nameless trainer
Me: Something’s wrong, I can feel it
Yep predictable XD
This video is basically an advertisement to people doing nuzlockes. Use rare candies or have patience, but when you have neither it doesn’t go well.
eh he still won pretty easily in the end
"The HP of Pokémon is not displayed numerically on the player's side in Generation III and Generation IV handheld games-only the bar will be shown to save screen space. The numeric amount of HP can be toggled with the Start button."
-Bulbapedia's double battle page
To be honest, I only found that out by complete accident myself and didn't even know how at first
To be honest, I was today years old when I found out
..... I've been playing Gen3 since they came out and I found this out today... goddamn
@@goranpiljic9362Same here. Shame on us
25:07 - that has nothing to do with rare candies, and everything to do with carelessness.
You always gotta heal your mons after battles in a nuzlocke! Soda Pop is cheap from the beach house as soon as you get to Slateport, and given you have no items in battle you would have heaps of money to spend on healing items for outside of battle.
Edit: moved the timestamp to the start of what I was referring to to avoid confusion.
Yeah part of the deaths was carelessness. But to be fair it´s the first nuzlocke. Going into fights with low hp and not swapping out at times. And as he said. Those mistakes lead to more mistakes and less wiggle room.
Yeah that was strange he pinned that on no rare candies as that hiker was a mandatory fight anyway + he went in without healing anything up. So totally his fault and definitely could’ve been avoided. Not having rare candies really had no bearing on the situation at all.
Yeah but standard nuzlockes are hard because of carelessness. So unless you're a well versed nuzlocker where you have learnt from past mistakes rare candies are kinda cheating.
@@cfl4286 Even if you do not use rare candies. Or if you use rare candies. An experienced nuzlocker may have healed up or changed the lead. But we gotta remember this is his first. So obviously he may play more risky than others. Thats fine.
@@lurkingone7079 yup. That’s really the first lesson I learned when I did my first is you can’t rush it. Use candies or fight low leveled mons so you’re not risking anything. Haste makes waste! That and heal before every battle haha he changed the lead to lombre who was almost dead without healing it which is just a lazy mistake.
Manectric was a borderline agent of death in this video.
And after seeing so many Poketubers that release ONLY Hardcore Nuzlockes making me consider at least doing a normal one, it's nice to see how truly stressing this challenge can actually be when you're not the kind of person that calculates even the littlest detail to see the exact chance of surviving a critical hit.
The people who calculate everything are boring in my opinion
@@AceFuzzLord Agreed, I prefer the randomness of Nuzlockes where you do not expect the unexpected. It's more fun that way for both the viewers and the player who's doing the Nuzlocke. I do understand why people prefer to calculate every tiny detail because they want to be as optimized as possible, but that just isn't how I view a Nuzlocke challenge to be.
@@EternalBladeX they calculate everything when it gets harder, it is not fun to play the same game over and over again just because you keep on losing.
@@AceFuzzLord yeah, maybe watching people throw is more entertaining content, but it's probably not fun for then to have to repeatedly grind to get back to the same fight only to lose over and over. Besides, better players are more likely to take on tougher ROM hacks or use more stringent rules and stuff to keep it interesting and risk losing
@@AceFuzzLord jan and wolfe are boring? Sure about that?
Other nuzlockers: "So I'm about to challenge the champion, 0 deaths so far so pretty decent, let's see how this goes"
Jrose: Loses pokemon to wild Shuppet
I get him not playing with Rare Candies, that’s fine, but man this video is frustrating because so many deaths were so avoidable if he played just a bit less reckless.
He played the Nuzlock as if it were a rule less play through. So he obviously losses most of his team in dumb ways.
He also clearly doesn’t respect the game due to how he half asses his preparations.
Part of what makes a Nuzlock so fun to watch as a viewer is the problem solving aspect, where the player tries to use his resources to overcome the games issues but he doesn’t seem to have a good understanding of his options.
@@frankwest5388 “He doesn’t respect the game”
Dude, it’s Pokémon. Stop taking it so seriously. Even if it mattered, you can’t tell me that nuzlockers “respect the game” when the whole comment section is telling him to hack in rare items. Regardless of the time-saving justification, that is not how the developers wanted people to play or else they would’ve programmed unlimited rare candies into the game.
@@artistfloor9 You really can't talk about the developers' wishes when we're already playing a self/community imposed challenge.
@@BlazeStorm I don’t actually care about the developers’ wishes. Play the game however you want, but you can’t go accusing people of “not respecting the game” just because they aren’t playing exactly how you want them to. It’s hypocritical.
@@frankwest5388 he won tho 🤷🏽
Jrose’s quality has really gone up recently, and the videos were already great. I’m glad to see the channel gaining traction. This dude works so hard and makes amazing videos and he deserves to make some bank
Jrose going from niche gen1 challenge (i know he does others) to hitting as many buzzwords as possible in one title and I AM HERE FOR IT. Anything to get this incredible creator more views/money. And more content is always great.
Can't wait for PokémonChallenges to react to this lmao
@@ngotemna8875 He will def be like use Rare Candies my d00d!
Hittin that SEO
@@ngotemna8875 the amount of money that mans had to of made specifically making nuzlock react videos is wild lol
@@Glennleo2 hahaha truuuuuueeee
Few things I want to point out: Crobat is INSANE. Incredible typing defensively, learns physical sludge bomb, and can even learn a physical shadow ball. Also, getting Gyarados as soon as possible via old rod is what you absolutely want to do; it's insideously powerful with intimidate, one of the best abilities for nuzlockes, and a great defensive typing to boot. Gyarados is one of the best (the best overall nuzlocke pokemon is Blissey) pokemon in the game for these, especially since intimidate works against both enemies. You can EXP share it to level 20 pretty easily.
For Winona; teaching a pokemon Ice Beam like you did is good, but ideally you want one that isn't weak to earthquake, a good option is a strong normal type pokemon that can also potentially learn thunderbolt for Skarmory. Your Azumarill was a good candidate for it, too, because it's a bulky pokemon.
Just thought I'd offer some advice from someone who regularly does nuzlockes. Hope this helped!
He also didn't evolve tentacool for some reason (was level 33 and it evolves at 30) which would've probably one shot tropius / tanked better
Edit: stop liking this, he caught it that level
@@rooislangwtf after all these years of instinctively stopping his mons from evolving during challenge runs he probably just doesnt think about it and stops it by default
@@LiroRaeriyo lol
@@rooislangwtf he caught it at that level obviously
@@Medabee8 oof
Did the optional rules but forgot one of the biggest main rules of a Nuzlock: Nickname your pokemon to build investment in them
idk man, i dont think a nickname will make me care about some pixels.
@@olivercharles2930 you'll be shocked with how concerned you can be about those pixels when you only have a few of them between you and a game over instead of limitless amounts
@@Aichi1138 So... basically every game ever with permadeath?
Permanently losing progress is not exactly proof of investment in the named pixels.
@@olivercharles2930 close enough in my book
@@Aichi1138 Besides, this means the nicknames are unnecessary.
26:41 There seems to be a glitch with flannery's team. They should all be female, yet the camerupt and torkoal are male here. This was actually significant in this battle, as marshtomp, the much stronger pokemon, was made immune to the attract play.
He just doesnt swing that way
"A lot of other youtubers use rare candies which I am VERY opposed to"
5 seconds later
"It took me over an hour to level up my pokemon to level 15"
and this is why it's ok to use rare candies
And I wouldn't have it any other way. The risk of losing a Pokémon to a wild encounter is another challenge, and aspect of a nuzlocke. Sucks so many youtubers cheat when it comes to this, so I'm happy Jrose is keeping it pure.
@@TheKnuckminI'm willing to bet the majority of us are with you.
@@TreasureHunterLocke plus the optimal play is to grind on low level pokemon so you don't faint. Rare candies skips that step (minus the evs)
@@TheKnuckmin if you risk losing pokemon against wild encounters, you're not grinding in the most optimal way. The most optimal way would be to grind against route 1 encounters or Magikarps, where you never risk anything.
Is it annoying? Does it take a stupid amount of time? Yes, and yes, that's why streamers use rare candies, they don't wanna make their audience suffer hours of useless grind.
Just as an heads up, you can see HP in double battles if you press select (I think). So whatever is the equivalent on the emulator should work
Retron has a controller
DUDE. Played this game my whole childhood. Never knew
@@IquonYT It also works in gen 4, if I remember correctly
Oh my God, you genius.
I've been playing GBA Pokemon games for like 15 years, never knew that lol
I just have to say, with Lanturn and Starmie being two of my favorite Pokemon, I really liked seeing how the two of them played such a key role in the tail end of this run.
"I am deeply opposed to hacking in rare candies."
"At 3x speed, it took me over an hour to level up my team to level 15."
I have to agree with most of the comments. Rare candies just help speed up production of videos and make the game less grindy. Most hardcore nuzlockers grind on low route pokemon where there is no risk of losing pokemon but makes the run take hours so they use rare candies which just saves time. It doesn't reduce risk unless your playing in a already risky way.
Alpharad put it best. "Grinding is cringe, cheating is based."
You can say that rare candies "theoretically" don't affect the difficulty, but JRose played without rare candies and lost several pokemon because he didn't have the patience for that theoretically perfect play.
There are some kaizo romhacks out there that REQUIRE you to play perfectly, so it's genuinely just a timesave
But I'm willing to bet that for most people, if you took their rare candies away, they wouldn't start playing in the safest way possible. Backtrack after every gym to grind towards the next level cap? That isn't fun
It's theoretically possible to grind for levels in perfect safety. But for that matter, it's also theoretically possible to EV train your pokemon, look up every trainer's pokemon, calculate damage ranges on every attack. That would be perfect nuzlocke play. And that would be incredibly boring, incredibly time consuming, and result in an easy victory on any vanilla cartridge.
*shrug*
You're lying to yourselves if you think that all players would train in the safest way possible, every time. We're human, we get bored, we want to have fun.
Rare candy lets us have that fun, faster, and without feeling obligated to grind out levels in the theoretical safest way possible.
It's not really a good thing or a bad thing, but it does change the experience. It comes down to personal preference in the end.
@@tomc.5704 Again. It doesn't reduce risk unless you are already playing in a risky way. If people don't optimally play then they add a amount of risk that could have been prevented, and I agree with you that it is very boring and I think that is why people use rare candies to begin with. (I know you are not disagreeing with me and my comment sounds very defensive but i dont know exactly how to word my comment)
@@tomc.5704 first off it’s base emerald, not a kaizo version. You don’t need the perfect play to not lose Pokémon, it was a sloppy run because he’s a gen1 player which is fine. Also JRose would not beat emerald kaizo ever if he played as reckless as he did in this video. Rare candies just speed the process of leveling along for the next unavoidable trainer or major battle there’s nothing wrong with it and yes many nuzlockers would take a safer grind for leveling because they do it often and actually know what they’re doing.
@@tomc.5704 shrug
I haven't watched a nozlocke in years but having the full run in 1 hour makes it more consumable
this channel Flygonhg makes great nuzlocke content and each video is an entire run usually condensed to abt 20-40 minutes
I've watched a lot of Nuzlocke content lately from Pokémon Challenges' channel, and I guess it's paying off for me, because I saw most of the pitfalls here before they actually occurred. XD Nuzlockes really benefit from slow and careful play, so in a sense, your aggressive playstyle made it way closer (and thus more intense) than it needed to be. It definitely made for good content and I'd love to see more. =)
You were speaking my LANGUAGE here, Colosseum-style battles in an Emerald nuzlocke! Engaging, perfectly condensed run and you even gave us Steven. I learn so much about these games from your plays, even with all the time and love I've spent on them myself. Really cool, I appreciate the hell out of this! THANK YOU!
On the one hand I would like to see you reach half a million subscribers because your videos are super enjoyable and I want you to succeed immensely. On the other hand, I don't want you to go through creative burnout by having to do an entire month of hour long videos.
EDIT: Gosh, Manectrics are Run Killers in this game.
Same here, when I heard him say that he would do that many videos I was immediately worried for his health cause that's a lot of friggin work!
He could play the new games for an hour each day, then upload the footage. Not really work or "burnout" risk
@@iamjustkiwi youtube is a harder job than most people think, but it isn't actually hard work. Certainly don't worry for his health lol
@@jakec9869 it’s still a burnout risk. Playing the same game over and over with only 1 Pokémon then doing all the edits and voice over and commentary to take a 8+ hour run down to an hour or less or more. It’s not fun anymore at that point it’s just work. I’m not it’s not “hard” but taxing
And yet here we are, in The Month of the Rose. It's not often that somebody makes an insane offer contingent on an insane accomplishment *and then* fulfills the insane offer despite the accomplishment not having been achieved. JRose doing a Gen-1 solo run into our hearts, badge boost glitch and all.
J-Reezy, Coming in clutch for my lunch break, take me away to min-max town, you masochist, you.
I had seen many nuzlockes, but in each of them there was a third rule for the nuzlocke. That was to nickname each pokemon you obtain. I don't know if it is compulsory or optional, so if anyone knows about it, please let me know.
Traditionally you’re supposed to nickname all of your catches so you feel more attached to them. One of those rules you can reasonably choose to ignore but is technically there
Indeed, it's one of the 3 main rules of a Nuzlocke. Anything else is optional.
It’s optional. The only mandatory rules are the only can catch and use the first Pokémon in each area and if your Pokémon faint they die
The only core rules that are non-negotiable for a Nuzlocke are "only catch the first Pokemon you find" and "Any Pokemon KO'd is gone forever". Literally every other rule people tell you is just a popular house rule. No matter how popular they get, none of them are essential to follow the core of a Nuzlocke.
I was thinking the same thing, maybe he just doesn't know it
Really love the guns blazing approach and subsequent disasters as a result. I was a bit skeptical about a nuzlocke but it was super entertaining, congrats my dude!
Yeah it makes the runs really entertaining, I would love to see more nuzlockes from our boy.
i used to be opposed to using rare candies in nuzlockes, but once i started doing them with some consistency i realized... i wasn't losing pokemon while grinding, but i was losing my mind. i was spending hours grinding and it just wasn't worth it. i do think new nuzlockers shouldn't use them, but once you know where to be careful it's just easier.
but then again, this is jrose, so... i don't see that rule changing anytime soon.
The thing about losing Pokemon while grinding is that the answer to that, and the way to avoid it isn't anythng requiring any thought or effort or skill. It just requires you to go to lower level pokemon and visit the pokemon center a lot more often which means you're just doing the mindless simple zero risk thing for an extra 45 minutes.
@@SoyDrinker The thing about losing pokemon while grinding is that grinding gives EVs, which make the game easier. The game is very literally more difficult if you use rare candies.
Never was particularly interested in watching Nuzlockes but you've always got my view, always love your content and narration
This comment right here lmao. Thinking the same shit
JRose, I so appreciate this video 😂 I appreciate that you're so honest almost in doing this, that it can be really easy to lose Pokemon - because losing a pokemon to a random Shuppet is also the kind of thing that happens to me doing Nuzlockes! Much appreciation, keep at it 😊
Great content Jrose, this was a really fun watch! Many Nuzlocke runs can be a lil boring to watch for me bc they're over-researched but your usual narration + your fun approach to trying stuff out was really interesting to watch. Keep it coming!
The rare candies... You could 100% just go fight wild pokemon on the first route in the game, or only fight Magikarp, or something else with 0 risk, the rare candies just are meant to make it not take hours to level up your whole team before any major fight... which would have helped with all the "Well I got bored grinding and decided to fight the important trainer." There are already ways to make leveling up 100% safe, so with rare candies it just speeds it up massively.
Well, that's the thing, "i got bored and decided to fight the important trainer" makes the game more dificult and interesting, you have to decide when to give up training to not lose too much time, even if they decided to train to the max level available for every single battle that decision comes with a heavy cost.
i know it's an inconvenience for the youtuber, but still, they decided to do a difficultier version of the game in the first place, cheatting rare candies kinda defies that purpose.
For me this kinda content it's more enjoyable from a viewer stand's point, because afects not only the in-world game but also the decision of the real-life person. But it might just be me
U can also put your pokes in the day-care and ride the bike back and forth to level up with an actual 0% risk chance. If it’s about to learn a move, u can get it very close to leveling, knock out a super low level wild Pokémon, and continue the process
@@nicolasurzagasti3757 I think what makes the game more difficult and interesting is the rom hack itself. To me its just more fun to play exiting battles with a strategy rather than hoping I dont loose because I am underleveled. But of course if you prefer to grind levels you can do that ^^
@@nicolasurzagasti3757 Deciding to fight an important trainer early isn’t “difficult and interesting.” Setting your level caps lower so you have to fight them underleveled per your own rules is. Skimping out on grinding for no justification beyond your own time investment is a stupid decision that no player should ever be driven to, which is the whole point of taking the rare candy pill in the first place.
@@technicolormischief-maker5683 well, if you like to watch them fight trainers right away that's okey.
I personally don't, i like to see them going trough the whole game like it was a real game just with different rules. Taking more time it's a challenge, but it makes me feel like they earned more the victory, because it's the efort of a person outside of the in-game character.
If you like more only the battles and no other factor, that's okey, i don't discredit anybody for doing so. I just find more interesting this kinda content
36:07 Spread moves don't have their power reduced if they hit the ally as well in Gen 3. EQ and Self−destruct don't have their power reduced in double battles, but moves like Surf and Eruption do.
I believe if there’s no ally on the field it’s power is reduced
@@dakotahadley2865 Según Bulbapedia: "In Generation III, if there is more than one target, moves that can hit both foes (but not moves that hit all Pokémon on the field, such as Earthquake) have their damage reduced by 50%. In subsequent games, if there is more than one target, any move that can hit multiple Pokémon has its damage reduced by 25%."
Edit: Based on this, I'm pretty sure EQ does not get its damage output reduced if there are only 3 Pokémon on screen.
@@ShinyTillDawn interesting, thanks for the info!
The narration is unmatched as always
I really like how dedicated you are to your rules and your formats. This is new and fresh and I love it. Gamefreak failed you when they didn't make enough jrose challenge worthy Pokémon.
Double battles are so much more fun than singles, I wish they made a LOT more doubles in the story mode
Ez just play colosseum and XD
Yeah, I hope they make another switch game that's doubles only
Plau Blaze Black and Redux Blaze Black 2... every gym leader is either double triple or rota battle , best time i ever spent in a Pikamon game
Isn't tem tem all doubles?
The original Emerald really pushed for it as well.
That is how I lost at the end of Victory Road actually. Slakoth lost his abilities and destroyed my team.
8:06 it's too late for this but I remember you could show the HP numbers by pressing select.
Also, a mandatory nuzlocke rule are nicknames!
Nicknames aren't mandatory according to the OG webcomic's rules, so some sites lists it as optional while others lists it as mandatory
@@rooislangwtf You are technically correct, but it is the most fun part IMO! When Jrose lost 10 pokemons before Winona, they appeared and disappeared way too quickly to be noticeable!
Also, the rule of leveling up to maximum the gym leader's level is also optional :)
@@Ghi102 I agree about the nicknames and I made a similar comment on the video, I was just correcting misinformation
Seems in character for him to not think of nicknames lol
As much as I love your traditional Kanto runs, I definitely need to see more of these videos. The constant threat of losing Pokémon and having a completely random team is amazing. Keep it up.
This might have been your best video yet. You sounds like a true play by play announcer in every battle, that made it so intense and interesting
I can’t lie, With Manectric being my absolute favourite pokemon of all time, I did feel a sense of pride seeing how many problems it gave you in this challenge…I mean, it ended your first run? My Boy should NEVER be underestimated! 😍😍😍
Howcome manectric is your fave? just curious.
@@od1401 ive just always loved it and electrikes design. I know there’s technically better electric types out there, but I just instantly loved the two pokeMon from when I first used them in Gen 3.
@@Lightshock16 I can kinda see why, it is unique and slick and its also a kind of lesser known or underdog electric type compared to the likes of pikachu, jjolteon, ampharos and luxury etc.
@@od1401 yup. If I was in the anime my manectric’s moves would be Thunderbolt, flamethrower, iron tail and Hyper beam 🤣🤣
@@Lightshock16 Dang if that's a canon moveset in the games that'd be pretty sick and super versatile :p
I will say, if you were leveling up in a much safer way, you wouldnt have lost SO many pokemon. You were kinda leveling in a risky fashion, which led to losing pokemon. Leveling at a slower but safer pace would lead to you essentially never losing one. And if there is no risk of doing so, rare candies only save time.
at that point, you can just do 8 + 4 + 1 battles on pokemon showdown and call it a day. I completely agree with him that hacking in rare candies is ignoring the patience and perseverance part of a nuzlocke. But of course to each his own.
@@kartiksaraf4676 Nah, that's crap. There's still variance in the accuracy of moves, the chance of crit, moves that have a chance to affect status, moves that lower stats, etc.
@@callawtf I don't even know what point you're trying to make
But then where's the excitement if you avoid risks?
@@kartiksaraf4676 I disagree that hacking rare candies into the game just turns it into a formulaic just punch it into pokemon showdown and call it a day. There's still plenty of variance within the battle system of pokemon itself. Furthermore, EXP still exists when you hack in rare candies and thus introduces another element of strategy if you use level caps: "EXP management" You have to be that much more careful not to over level and completely ruin your battle strategy. JRose's level caps have been largely symbolic as he's gone into several gym fights with 2-3 mons underleveled.
Wow what a roller coaster of emotion that was!! Great job as always!!
I just realized that Nuzlockes have a similar mentality to Paul from the anime. "If a Pokémon loses, they're weak. I'll release them and try to catch something usable next time."
I feel like Jrose was a little too hung up with the Rare candies rule in the video, there were a lot of mistakes that even without rare candies being implemented, could have been avoided through other means, such as;
- looking up base stats and calcing your opponents potential speed to avoid speed ties or whether or not the pokemon would even outspeed, as well as possible damage ranges.
- grinding on lower level pokemon for more safe EXP so that you don't risk losing pokemon to either wild mons of higher level/random trainers.
- Looking up pokemon movesets (a little bit more difficult with Ace trainers, since they typically don't use level up movesets, so you would have to find a document or something similar to get that info)
- Using TM's to give pokemon better moves (I'm surprised Jrose didn't abuse Guts swellow with Facade, as that mostly melts anything that doesn't resist normal type given it has a good nature/Attack IV/EV stat, but there was also other minor things)
- Better teambuilding for the situation (Mostly in reference to 31:48, the 2nd slot was mostly useless other than a grovyle counter, and you already have swellow to deal with that, not that the fight was difficult by any means)
- Threat assessment and stategic focus on which pokemon to take down in the double battles (generally, you want to leave out pokemon that are weak or that can't do much to your team, while entirely focusing the other side, just getting the 2v1 situation isn't always enough since if you end up leaving the trainer with two pokemon that can seriously hurt your team, you can end up unnecessarily risking pokemon)
Most of the mistakes was due to being impatient, or just not properly analyzing the situation, which to be fair is a common mistake for newer nuzlockers (but also done by a lot of seasoned ones as well). Comment isn't meant to trash Jrose, mostly just a critical one, to maybe have him take a 2nd look at his run, and learn from his mistakes for future runs.
Ya the best defense for rare candies is you can do the 200% safe thing of killing hundreds and hundreds of level ten mons for hours and lose nothing, you can needlessly risk all of your Pokémon in purely luck based ways that shouldn’t really have any impact on your long term game, or you can just rare candy and actually play the game for the trainer battles
I agree, I think that Jrose actually came close to being a little mean-spirited in his bashing of people who use rare candies in these runs. Everyone can use whatever rules are fun for them. For me, cutting out the grinding with rare candies is what makes the run fun. My rule is that if the only thing I'm doing is saving time, then a cheat is allowed, and since it's always possible (and optimal) to go to the first route and one-shot things to grind, then I rule that using rare candies to get to the level cap right before a gym is only reducing in the amount of time I waste.
Okay but stat calcs are sl fucking boring. At that point yoi're not even playing the game you're just punching numbers into a website 300 times.
@@python1972 yeah at that point the run is done before you even have to play if you already know every bit of hard data. Considering these people have already beaten the game hundreds if not even thousands of times it's more interesting if they have to find new workarounds for problems if they misjudge or not fully remember something.
@@python1972 yeah, but crits happen, maybe you don't get the ranges you need, you get an unexpected paralysis, it's pokemon, it's a RNG game first a numbers game second, so everything can happen.
The reason why people hack in rare candies is simply to cut down time spent grinding. I don’t think it’s used to avoid loosing Pokémon during grinding because against wilds because that rarely happens. I understand wanting to keep the integrity of what Pokémon is but rare candies just make attempts so much faster to do.
Also rare candies don't give out evs to your mons, making the game slightly harder
Pchal probably phrased it best when he said that the more “safer” option is to always ev train/grind on much lower level pokemon, to reduce the chance of losing a mon. But this is too time consuming.
As for EV training he also has a small rule about using early vitamins, not going max vitamin EV allocation, but just enough to compensate for the rare candies.
At the end of the day he streams his runs, which of course is part of the reason why he does these shortcuts (to reduce the boring grind for his viewers). But as Pchal always says, “It’s your nuzlocke, play however makes it enjoyable for you.”
@@mistahjion Exactly, I'd never tell Jrose he should hack rare candies in, I'd just tell him that if he won't then he should grind way more than he did, as watching him lose underleveled pokemon to situations where they couldn't have been reasonably expected to survive is not fun but just very frustrtating. The fact that he needed to mention "This is why you don't hack in rare candies" 3 times in the first 30 minutes of the video, came off as needlessly judgmental.
It is also partly for entertainment purposes for streamers. A live audience doesn’t want to watch hours of grinding on low level Pokémon and if you stream on twitch you do what you can to keep your audience interested.
It's almost as if challenges are arbitrary, I wonder where I heard it
Love your willingness to leave some awful mistakes in instead of giving us the "cleanest" run like most of the other dedicated nuzlocke youtubers I watch. They're all so experienced with the hardcore nuzlocke format that there's very little tension. Narration is A+ as always. I think dipping in to the nuzlocke trend is a good idea considering you're already quite popular and your refusal to use infinite rare candies (which I agree with as a spectator, makes it harder to just plan a route and stick to it verbatim) provides a good counterbalance against Pokemon Challenges.
Nice to see you put that jrose spin on this challenge. Not really a nuzlocke watcher but I could listen to you for hours almost like a podcast.
One of my favorite things about nuzlockes as a guy who found out about them from the source comics is how the rules get more and more interesting. Like the first guy had a bit about having many many Tentacool, and now we've all decided to do dupes/species clause. I also love how Nuzlocke is the name because it's John Locke (from Lost) and that's what he named his Nuzleaf (who was a pivotal death). I'm gonnna go re-read those lol, getting nostalgic for being 14, dear god
excellent content as always, love your style of narration!
fwiw i don't interpret the rare candy debate as an argument for authenticity; i see it more as an argument for content. sure, it saves time, but for streamed runs it keeps viewers engaged. and even if not, it saves a hell of a lot if time.
either way, love your vids!!!! keep em coming, i always put down what i'm doing asap and watch as soon as i see one :)
A good example would be the biggest supporter of rare candy runs: Jan from PokemonChallenges. Man spent several months and 151 attempts to hardcore nuzlocke Emerald Kaizo. I don’t think it’s feasible to keep enough viewers engaged through all of that to the degree that you can make a living off of it UNLESS you use rare candies.
Not a knack on JRose11 though! I appreciate that he just said he wasn’t a fan instead of attacking the authenticity. Just wanted to agree with you and provide an example for those that might disagree.
@@robertbach3592 For sure! There's no 'right' answer no matter how you cut it; at the end of the day, it's a self-imposed challenge (emphasis on SELF). Preferences differ, but this is an individual thing for everyone.
@Jaiden Bates ok but it's still a self-imposed challenge. but it's wrong to self-impose a certain way? okay, badwrongfun bro
I actually had no idea what a Nuzlocke was. Despite it popping up in my recommended a lot, you're the person I click for Pokemon content, so it was a nice surprise and a good change of pace. Your narration is always on point and super entertaining, no matter what gen or kind of challenge you're playing. Please keep the videos coming ❤
Manectric:
"That's a useful team member you got there, sure be a shame if I landed a crit thunder right about now"
Actually, route 101 having poocheyena and zigzagoon is great
Linoone in single battles just solos the elite four and even in double battles it has good coverage
Mightyena has intimidate, which is spectacular, nothing more to say
yeah when every hitpoint counts intimidate is way more valuable
Well, it CAN solo. Though you should have backups planned in case something goes wrong.
Also, in the context of this challenge…
We not gonna talk about the fact, that the starter has already been caught at route 101, which makes Poochy/Zigzagoon not avaiable for route 101.. ? :D
@@empunktpepunkt8623 a lot of players I watch tend to ignore that
I never really care too much since I'm not a nuzlocke guy
i didn't know you were allowed an encounter on route 101, since the starter pokemon all say they were obtained on route 101, when you look at their stats.
2:29 I've also seen a shiny clause where basically if you happen encounter a shiny you can temporarily break the the standard nuzlock rules in order to not lose a shiny
I like pchals rule, u can use the shiny only if its a pkmn u already caught thats alive, and u replace the normal with the shiny
@@yashikiwarashi5045 Does that count as your route encounter?
@@ngotemna8875 probably not, because of the duplicate clause
@@ngotemna8875 ur route encounter will always be the first pkmn. with this rule only allowing shinys to replace pokemon u currently have that are alive, shiny pkmn will never be an extra encounter
@@yashikiwarashi5045 Alrighty, Thx for explaining
I've honestly been binging these videos for the past few days, even the ones i've seen before. Something about it is just very relaxing? almost? I don't know if that's the right word, but theyre really entertaining
Love the content, keep it up! Forever grateful you've started to upload frequently.
The man ignored one of the most important rules of a nuzlocke: You have to nickname every pokemon you catch
I was gonna comment that exact thing!
Probably why he failed the first attempt
If you watched his Nuzlocke on Twitch, he explained that the nickname rule actually makes him less likely to like the pokemon, so he said no to nicknames.
@@Rikrobat How does that make any sense?
@@danielgiovanniello7217 Because he thinks nicknames are stupid. And calling them that makes him like the Pokemon less than calling them by their Pokemon name.
Grinding is tedious and the optimal way of leveling up is fighting route 1 for ages, so you have 0% risk of a pokemon fainting, which is why I like hacking rare candies.
Yuuup, and seeing him not use guts tailow to easily sweep brawly hurt me inside
Based and candypilled
Awesome video! Thanks for letting us take part on the failed attempt. This kind of surprise is something I miss from other Nuzlockers.
Man, the lack of using rare candies is actually frustrating to watch, that first loss is almost exclusively due to underlelveing
An entire month of JROSE videos sounds literally insane. Unfortunately I do not have 200,000 extra accounts to subscribe
Random nuzlocke tip: it's fine to rush the first gym early, if youre confident enough. cause if you lose it's really quick to just restart. You can level up a lot more after roxanne once you deliver the letter to stephen and can go over to Slateport
It's kind of up to personal opinion really. I personally play with level caps being rased once you beat the previous gym, to the next one. That way, you can't just skip past brawly and have to deal with his team when he is actually at his most threatening. Then again, with some clever routing when it comes to catching pokemon (especially with some repel manipulation), you can increase your odds of picking up taillow, which with guts and at least a decent attack IV/ not horrendous nature can easily deal with his team (might have to be a bit careful with makuhita since he is a bit more bulky than machop, by a slight margin and getting 3-4 hit arm thrust will slice the bird up), otherwise you could try to fish for the zubat encounter in the cave on Dewford, which mostly stone walls his team. Dustox/beautifly can also put in some work if you got wurmple early on (very underrated brawly counter for a lot of newer nuzlockers)
@@rpglover5955 you can atleast go ahead I mean to grind on decent mons / more trainers when catching up for brawly
I love that after your first team all faints and you say you failed, you immediately ask “what can I learn from this?”
Gdamm. Clicked wanting a regular fun Jrose11 video. Didn't expect to pulled into a heart wrenching journey. Genuinely, bravo. You outdid yourself and created one hell of an experience.
Another "rule" is that you need to nickname your Pokemon.
I was honestly looking forward to the nicknames man... Especially after how creative your nicknames are in your other challenges.
a little hint for hardcore nuzlocke's: use edging, edging refers to gaining exp until you are close to level over the cap so you do within the fight so you can get a level lead withtin the fight
That kind of defeats the purpose of the level restriction.
@@Raig228 literally everyone does it
@@AS34N ok
@@Raig228 you hardly ever start the battle with 0 exp, you almost always level up eventually in the middle of the battle if it's long enough, you start the battle at the level cap, the mons you edged still need to appear in the battle before they can level up. I think it doesn't really defeat the entire purpose.
@@cesarwitha_t if you want to use pokemon with a level advantage over the challenging trainer, even if for just part of the battle, that is, of course, perfectly fine. It is your playthrough. But the slimmest level advantage is still a level advantage. Might as well say you can be a level higher - it is probably more fun without the tedious exp management.
I know most people nickname their Pokemon during a Nuzlocke, but as someone who listens more than watching (and has a terrible memory on top of it), I enjoyed being able to listen to this challenge. :)
This video was awesome! Keep it up jrose! I absolutely love your gen1 series but it's good to see you branching out to other gens occasionally
“Feeling justified not hacking in the rare candies”
I think you misunderstand how hardcore nuzlockers grind. When I was grinding before the rare candy meta, after raising the level cap I would fish up a ton of something I could oneshot (and had desirable EVs) to grind. So I would try to ride the upper limit of the level cap. I would never be battling trainer mons (or wild mons with high levels) with my underleveled mons that I was grinding.
You have to think about grinding differently in a hardcore nuzlocke - your mons should be about 40 for Maxie 2. If you have fun with the risk of grinding the way you are on random trainers, that’s fine and it’s decent content! But it’s not what the rare candy meta nuzlockers did before rare candies - it was standing in front of a fishing spot or running in level 9 mon grass for 5 hours.
Also, rare candies are way more fair when you remove EV gain from the game so you don’t gain extra advantages over the AI.
using rare candies saves time and it way less risky. he lost so many mons to random trainers and wild pokemon because he was underleveled.
doing more damage helps so EV training is good but if it takes 5 hours compared to 5 minutes to level up im not gonna grind.
Argument for rare candies in nuzlockes.
You can faint while grinding xp. So the optimal play would be go to the first route and grind on level 2 wurmples the entire run, which is boring.
4 months ago this man made a promise that felt unreal. And yet the madman really did do a month of jrose, what a legend
Freezai doing hardcore nuzlockes using only first stage evolutions: During this battle, I strategically pass the sticky barb back and forth while calculating weather damage turns, attack damage percentages using the damage calculator, exactly when I can switch out, what will outspeed, and what can deliver each final blow with necessary pokemon sacrifices.
Jrose doing hardcore nuzlockes with fully evolved pokemon: I didn't look up whether or not I could outspeed, or even if my attacks would come close to doing half damage or not, so now more than half of my team is dead.
So the rare candy thing isn't cheating. It's usually used by folks so they can get videos done quickly and efficiently. Also, removing the grind tends to make the game a little easier to manage, it's less about risk and more about convenience.
it's actually worse to use rare candies, since you lose EVs. So, the logic is that you're cheating, but also not wasting your time (and your audience's if you stream), and also making the game inherently harder... nice kind of cheating.
@@cesarwitha_t It's less that you lose EVs and more that you never gain them in the first place.
Those are almost the same thing, but the language implies a different cause.
@@misirtere9836 agreed
Its subjective, is and isn't changes from person to person, for you and other, it is not cheating. For Jrose it is however
what a great video, literally everything went terrible and that’s what most of us will face in our first nuzz. Thanx for the content JRose
Man, your stuff is awesome. I hope you keep smashing out content because it’s all Gold.
This was the world's largest combo of heart attacks. I watch a lot of Hardcore Nuzlocke runs, usually of Sun & Moon since those are the latest games I've beaten, but no one else seems to lose this many super important Pokemon. I wonder why that is. Anyway, I hope you do more of these in the future! They're really entertaining, I couldn't bear to look away for the whole hour this video went on for despite all of the stress my heart had to go through
*PokemonChallenges swooping in for a reaction*
Love your stuff Jrose but I gotta echo the rest of the folks here when it comes to rare candies… the safest way to level would be to level back on the early routes to make sure you never lose a Pokemon. And that sucks , obviously. Rare Candies just save you time (though to each their own!)
I love your stuff JRose and i get it was a first nuzlock but boy was it stressful to watch some of those plays
Congrats on the win. The joy of Nuzlockes is you get to be creative with Pokemon you'd normally never consider using
I think that i could agree with you idea on rare candy but honestly the point is that you should train all of your pokemon on wild pokemon to avoid as many trainers as possible, at least that's what i do when i do my nuzlocke.
It is by far better to beat the same old pokemon ( also to get tasty EVs) and then to go on trainers.
I know you do yt videos so u can't waste too much time also cause you stream most of the training, but is obvious that 90% of the pokemon you lost were because of them not being trained enough!
still love you and your content, thank you for everything Jrose :D
Adressing the not using rare candies thing You can still battle really weak pokemon and have no risk of death it just takes a long time. Rare candies are just used to make it not take as long. It removes almost no challenge and make it signifiantly faster to play and more interesting.
in fact, with the level cap in place, if anything it makes it harder, cause you'll have less evs
We just saw Jrose lose Pokémon to wild battles so he’s right
@@Kaitachimaru Most the hacks that get played get rid of EVs.
A lot of Nuzelockers are also streaming their gameplay on Twitch, and grinding wild pokemon isn't a good viewer experience when you're doing 30-150 attempts.
@@MrDeuce006 great logic
I would love to see more nuzlockes from you! The no rare candies rule makes the game so much more challenging and entertaining to watch
Really love ur vids Jrose, been a fan since forever, love seeing you branch out!!
One thing I want to point about hacking rare candys, is that it makes most of the fights more dificult, because when you grind, you can fight only against certain pokemons to gain certain EVs, and get stronger pokemon, using rare candys you don't get so much EVs and it makes later fights more dificult. But each person chooses what considers better. For someone streaming rare candys are better so you can do most of the boss fights quickly. But really enjoyed the video! Keep doing the good work!
Edit: came back with an idea. Because if you want, you can use a rule you must fight every single trainer before a gym leader and just before the gym leader you can use rare candys to miminize the EVs you gain from wild pokemons and keep the dificult, without getting underleveld.
Damn, can't wait for Jan to completely go into the continuous anti rare candy opinion xD looking forward to that react
Already know what he would say and it can be summarized in two words "optimal play"
He’ll probably just say play how you want, at the end of the day it’s a self imposed challenge, nobody but yourself can really invalidate it. There’s no nuzlocke scoreboard out there everybody is getting placed on.
Awesome to see you do a Nuzlocke :D I've been watching all your uploads and this is a cool new type content. Keep up the good work my dude :)
I appreciated watching someone who doesn't usually do nuzlocke content do one. Would be great to see other interesting ones from you.
I wish pokemon was double battles as a standard now, it's just so much more fun.
Doubles is the standard format for the official competitive formats.
_Edited to fix awkward wording._
I quite enjoy singles but it would be cool if it was just an option before you start the game
@@dysr lol "competitive competitions"
...bruh
Check out TemTem. It's a really good Pokemon alternative that features all double battles, among many other changes to the battle system. :)
COLOSSEUM and XD
Every day? That's insane man don't burn out!
Happy to see a nuzlocke, love your content
I’ve seen every Jrose challenge multiple times and this might be my favorite one yet. Need more nuzlocke!
Hope to see more nuzlockes in future! I’ve been hoping for this for years now!
This was a fun watch on stream. Your content is rad. I appreciate the work you put into it.
Most people just use rare candies since they do tons of nuzlockes and simply dont want to waste time. Not to mention, there is very safe grinding. Most of the issues with rare candies here were more so impatience or miscalculation.
When we were all kids, we wanted to live in the pokémon world, especially after watching the Anime, but at the start of this game, it really shows how dangerous it is. A level 2 zigzagoon is roughly as strong as a fully grown adult male... That's terrifying. A level 100 mewtwo could destroy planets.
this video is a good illustration of how not using rare candies leads to constantly losing pokemon just because they're underleveled for no reason. it's kinda just frustrating
15:58 'the final rule of Nuzlockes' as you call it is an entirely optional rule.
Most content creators do it, but that's not part of the core Nuzlocke rules.
There's nothing stopping you from bootstrapping the B or C team from the box unless you decide not to
I honestly prefer not using hardcore rules because part of the fun of a nuzlock is using pokemon you wouldn't normally. A boxed pokemon in a nuzlocke is more likely to be in that "wouldn't normally use" category.
@@Raig228 Oh, right. White-out = Gameover might be baked into the baseline Hardcore Rules.
Still not a Nuzlocke default as is so commonly assumed and broadcast
A Jrose Nuzlocke? Man, I’m so excited
thanks for putting out more content Jrose11... definitely my favourite youtuber concerning pokemon challenges, your commentary and humor are just right 😀
Regarding the rare candies: people that Nuzlocke a lot get to a point where they just don’t die to wild Pokémon when grinding.
Even with the candies, they still battle a lot of trainers, as there are many mandatory ones.
Plus there is the whole daycare thing, which I see some other comments have explained well.
So I think it makes a lot of sense and is cool for you to not use rare candies to level, but it also makes sense for some nuzlockers to add them in because it removes a boring, long, uneventful part of the run.
Great video! Keep up the good work!