Luxembourg subsidiaries of Malaysia's Petronas seized in $15 billion legal dispute
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- A $15 billion legal dispute between two Luxembourg subsidiaries of Malaysian state oil company Petronas and the descendants of a late sultan is now playing out in the courts.
The latest twist is linked to an agreement signed 144 years ago when Malaysia was dominated by British trading companies and Philippine Sultanates were fighting the Spanish. CNBC's JP Ong explains.
Fun Fact: Whenever there is a centuries old dispute, there is a high chance that Brits are involved.
this is legit.
As as Filipino, I hate the Brits government
@@dyxasofficial Why ?
@@riezan i think because they colonized majority of the world and made major conflicts like in israel and other parts of the world.
Just like in Israel.....
Just to get this corrected. The original deal in 1878 - The Sulu sultan leases Sabah to the British North Borneo Co., represented by Englishman Alfred Dent and German Gustavus Baron de Overbeck in a deed of pajak (“lease”) in which the company would pay 5,300 Mexican gold pieces a year to the Kingdom of Sulu. Instead it was converted to ringgit. This is one of the reasons why the rent ballooned to 14.9 billion dollars in todays money. I hope this helps you all see the truth.
Wow. That's a lot of money.
I'm sad for the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu, and its people. they are not allowed to stay in SABAH, which is now controlled by Malaysia. There are so many of them considered illegal foreigners and their own land. They should seek help from the Philippine government and resolve the issue peacefully.
@@jerzx777 my cousin is in sabah he can't cross to sulu because malaysia controls the road
Woah that's alot of money
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This is wrong. The Sultanate of Sulu did not give up its claim on Sabah. In fact, Malaysia has paid annual rent to the Sultan's descendants until 2013. Please check your facts.
Second question will answer your stupid question. Paying a lease means?
@Hope Lope u really asking proof 🤣 about how brunei give sabah? Its in history
@Hope Lope The Sulu have receipts that Malaysia paying rent. The Princess of the heir in Sulu said that in the news interview
@Hope Lope why you have so many questions? why don't u blame your gov't because they don't have an idea about this? or did they just hide this issue? lastly, are you malaysian?
This hope lope is everywhere. 🤣🤣🤣
The Brits have manipulated the Malay word “pajakkan” (which meant lease) into “grant and cede”. It’s the colonizers’ fault for meddling. The Brits caused a lot of disputes, especially borders!
pajak means mortgage asshole…dont try to teach malay speaker of our own language doesnt matter which ethnicities
Europeans actually they did a lot of dispute in over the world
This is very helpful.
@Kosorou Gaming Archives Argentina, Cyprus, Esrael and Hong Kong too.
it's the malaysians confusing the word pajak. malaysia was not born yet when the contract was signed
Paying the lease is a strong evidence that the property has not been sold.
Research it. Lol. No matter how big or small paying lease means the ownership is not yours!!!
The sulu sultanate doesn't exist anymore because of the many fake among them.
@Hope Lope Dude, that information is available online. Why are you asking netizens? Go and find it yourself. Look for the statements of Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa. All your questions will be enlightened there. "Do not ask a farmer on how to build a machine just because the farmer is admiring his machine. Ask the mechanic himself."
@Hope Lope You’re really stupid, aren’t you? Would you lease the house you already own to yourself?? And since when did Malaysia use dollars???
@Hope Lope "Why not bring to court when payment stop?" This is exactly the reason why the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu went to the international court. The Malaysian government stopped rental payment in 2013. The heirs then went to the court to demand rental payment. Guess what? The heirs won because they really own Sabah and now the Malaysian government is ordered to pay $15B to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu.
These colonizers are to blame for majority of the conflicts in this world.tbh.
bruh the sulu sultanate did not gave it Malaysia is paying rent until 2013 when they stop and claim its theirs
The Philippines only wanted Malaysia to pay their rent. Does that make any sense now?
Imagine someone living in your house for how many years and doesn't pay rent?
@@hooper6157 bruh , it seems you did not comprehend his comment because youre going out of context. He is referring about the colonizers which in this case the british. 🤣🤣🤡 Malala na talaga ang comprehension sa pilipinas.
@@goldentimes5158 he is referring to the british who colonized malaysia which then the sultanate of sulu had a lease agreement to a british company regarding about sabah, then when the british gave malaysia its independence , malaysian thought sabah is part of them.
Kaya sabi ng main commenter na yung mga colonizers are to be blame kasi sila naman talaga ang nag cause ng issue na to.
@@goldentimes5158 spam ko lang sa comments nangiinis lang ako ok
Because of former PM Najib's mistake of not paying the 1878 lease aggrement since 2013 to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu, the debt of Malaysia (interest) to the heirs of Sultan of Sulu is now reaching billions and soon if Malaysia still refuse to pay more of its international assets will be seized. And the worst to come, sooner its debt will be equal to or greater than its annual national budget...
The real fault is Sultanate of Sulu attack us first, hence Malaysia protest by not paying it
Remember who's the first jerk that started this
*na karma ang malaysia....* 😆
Magiging next sri lanka sila pag di nila e sa uli ang sabah
Another sri lanka iin tje making
@@giovannilaru-an tama ang yayabang pa ng Malaysian citizen walang alam history nila ayan sumambolat sa hanapan nila ang katotohanan ng away away na nga law maker nila mabait pa nga mga heirs sultanate kc gusto parin nila peaceful solution.
Malaysia is paying yearly lease to descendants of Sultan of Sulu, it is clear it was a leased. Original documents showed it was a mere lease and not a " grant and cede". please do not manipulate the news..
No. Google the original document and there's no word of "rent" or "lease". It was given to the British colonizer. You are jumping around things you don't actually know.
@@heavycurrent7462 pajak was misinterpreted on the Malaysian party, the word was rent/lease during the time of use in the agreement.
@@residentbritongueno6857 they don't know their own bahasa word pajak!!! 😂
@@heavycurrent7462 pajak!
Malaysian only holds on to believe they own Sabah. But the heir of Sulu has the legal documents of ownership. In any court they will win. The justice has been long overdue. You enjoyed the land that isnt yours. You are only renting it. Thank you so much French court for giving just compensation to the heirs of Sultan of Sulu. They been oppressed for a long time by Malaysian government 🙏🇵🇭
so Malaysia should be called the next Sri Lanka then? I mean the $15b payment tho-
@@diyoritical69 coming soon
Common sense will tell that who would willingly give up a huge land? Obviously, it’s for lease
Russia which is much bigger than Brunei, what more Sulu could cede and gave up Alaska to USA. Could you say that it was not making any sense?
As a mindanaoan, we support the sulu sultanate to take back their land. Malaysia should give sabah to the real owner of that land. Because it belongs to sulu, mindanao ph🇵🇭
Sabah belong to legit sabahan and as sabahan im gonna say you and your suluk friends can go f each other.
as a filipino,malaysia could not leave sabah as sabah is rich in oil.
Just take it, don't bla bla bla
Sabah is belong to the Philippines
@@zulhilmi393 lah diserahin bro?? Lemah kali??
If Malaysia believe that Sabah is theirs, why pay yearly fees to the Sultanate of Sulu? Simple answer? Who is so dumb to pay rent to somebody if the land is yours? Whether Sultanate of Sulu ceded or not, it’s all hearsay. What’s factual, and Malaysia admits it, is that they pay yearly.
Exactly what my comment was. Thank you.
Thank you for putting my thoughts here
Right, I think Malaysia didn't think too hard enough how to lie.they say it's theirs so why pay yearly,? That doesn't make any sense
Agreed
Agreed
Chose your words properly Mr. JP Ong. The Sultanate of Sulu "DID NOT" "GIVE UP" their rights to the British North Borneo Company. They entered into a "LEASE" agreement with a private entity. Get your facts straight.
Even the Sultunate of Sulu sent few Men to take over Sabah in 2013 to fight Malaysian Occupiers without help of Philippine Government Forces, Those Brave men are in Jannah smiling now.
@@ChinaChinaChinaChinaChinaChin4 Don't bullshit over here, the Sulu caveman send 2 Batallion to attack Lahad Datu Sabah and fortunately Malaysia Air Force managed to wipe out the Sulu intruders and they ran like a rats back in to their Pirate Kingdom Lollllll
@@planetmarsvodka5127 Hahaha look whos here Malayshits intruder. Sabah is ours Malayshits Get out you Occupiers!
@@planetmarsvodka5127 Pay some rent or Get Out!! Hahaha
@@planetmarsvodka5127 Atleast Cavemens won the Arbitral Ruling Hahahaha Poor Malayshits.
Wrong the Sultan of Sulu never give up any rights to Sabah.
It was only a leased to a British company.
That's why the court favor the Sultan of Sulu.
The biggest mistake was, discontinuing the rental payment which resulted to a breach of contract. It which case, the heirs of Sulu came into default. To regain control of Sabah and demand payment for the arrears based on current market price and maybe including the illegal use of natural resources of Sabah which is not stipulated in the agreement, destruction of environment, compensation for the human rights violation, and etc.
The Malaysian government are the one who discontinued or stop paying lease to the heirs of sultanate of sulu not vice versa just to correct you.
@@crisreyes763 following the 2013 attack on Sabah under the name of 'sulu army' , ofc we would stop paying like wut
@Sani Tizer bro really comparing a property renting with a damn national conflict lmfao 😭😭😭 shut yo ass up
The biggest mistake is Malaysia turn themselves in to squatters.🤣🤣🤣
That Sabah or North Borneo was once part of the Brunei empire is not disputed. But the Philippine claim to Sabah rests on the assertion that Brunei gave the territory to Sulu in return for assistance in the 1660-73 Brunei Civil War. However, the sources supporting this notion give the year of transfer as either 1658, two years before the Civil War broke out, or 1704, 31 years after it ended. The span of time covers the rule of different Brunei sultans.
Brunei has never accepted or acknowledged that North Borneo was given to Sulu. A narrative in Brunei states that although an offer of land may have been made in exchange for military support, that support never came so the deal was never concluded. No Sulu sultan or other authority has been able to furnish proof of ever receiving the territory from Brunei, or of having governed it since.
Britain annexed Sabah as a crown colony in 1946, after the chartered British North Borneo Company acquired it through a sale from the German magnate Gustav Overbeck, who had obtained the cession from the sultan of Brunei in December 1877. Since Sulu was making representations to the territory then, Overbeck also went through the motions of a cession with the sultan of Sulu some three weeks later. Two competing title deeds were obtained, signifying rival claims to ownership and sovereignty being given away.
Both title deeds were for a permanent cession, but only Sulu has tried to overturn the agreement. Sulu representatives have since tried to use the title deed granted to Overbeck as proof of Brunei having ceded the territory to Sulu. Even before the founding of the Republic of the Philippines, successive Spanish and US colonial administrations had already rendered the Sulu sultanate defunct. Any credence in the Philippine claim today is highly contested and purely historical in nature, which is rejected in international law.
The Manila Accord of July 31, 1963 facilitated the formation of Malaysia with Sabah without hindrance from the Philippines, while granting Manila the option of continuing to entertain its claim. However, conditions were set by both the Philippines and the descendants of the defunct Sulu sultanate. Manila wanted a UN-approved plebiscite of Sabah residents endorsing the creation of Malaysia, and the Sulu partisans wanted the continuation of the RM5,000 annual cession payment (later increased to RM5,300) from Malaysia.
Malaysia met both conditions. However, after the February 2013 attacks on Sabah by armed militants from Sulu which violated their part of the agreement, Malaysia discontinued the payments. Philippine partisans have also described the annual cession payments as “rent” to support their claim of ownership.
The persistent claims to Sabah, whether from Manila, Sulu or both, are disreputable and without foundation. They are a continuing irritant to the Philippines’ ties with Malaysia and risk a rupture in otherwise healthy relations. They cannot continue to be a weighty albatross because no sovereign nation can accept such blatant and baseless claims on its territory. As with his immediate predecessor Benigno (“Noynoy”) Aquino, President Rodrigo Duterte had said he would study the Philippine claim before proceeding with it. That has been some years now and he, like Aquino before him, has decided not to pursue it.
Correction it’s not slight disagreement…it’s land grab…and most of all did not give up rights…leased…but property owner was literally manhandled out of its owner…just some other perspective same as HONG KONG was long term leased by CHINA to England…did not mean ownership was given up…the right thing to was to give it up back to its owner…
The Sultanate of Sulu entered into an agreement with a commercial entity, British North Borneo Company, to “lease” (“pajakkan”) Sabah. Therefore, the State of Malaysia did not inherit it from the Brits since the transaction was commercial in nature and the Sultanate of Sulu did not negotiate with the British Crown in the first place. Clearly, this is not a sovereignty issue, it is clear from the Tribunal’s ruling.
So you did not 'inherit' the house but you are sitting in it. What does that mean? Free loading? Malaysia has to pay one way or another, or she has to cede the land back to Sulu. Basically lose Sabah altogether.
The new tenants must pay because you extract oil to finance your sovereign wealth. The activities are commercial in nature, this is why the calculations includes all commercial activities and income of Sabah. Malaysia kept on paying until 2013 and sent apology letter for the succeeding non payments of rent. It is not rocket science. You pay the rent then it is not yours. Even the UN long time ago, does not solidify of your inclusion of SABAH.
If your logic is right that the Malaysian Government did not accept the idea that they inherited the lease agreement, then in the eyes of the Tribunal Court is that Sabah should have been returned to the rightful owner. Malaysia should be out and if not, rent payment will be enforced via seizure of assets abroad.
lets go back to that year..were filipinos was already live & control sabah..you are making excuse those year past right?
@@marvelcomiks8078 not free loading but lease or renting, you cannot sit in the house that is not yours not unless you rent it
@@joenbikey143 Which is why they need to pay $15 BILLION USD. LOL. Refusal or inability to pay is tantamount to breach of agreement and Philippines has the right to take Sabah back. Checkmate.
Sabah really belong to the Philippines and not the land grabbers from Malaysia. Great! Malaysia now has to pay $15 B to the heirs of the sultanate of sulu.
"Give the rights of Sabah to the British North Borneo company" is a lie. The Sultan of Sulu leased the land of Sabah to the British company. The Sultan of Sulu maintained ownership of Sabah. There is even an exact amount as the rental payment for the land of Sabah.
do you understand the word pajak means??you guys nothing more than colonizer wannabe the same like imperialists in the past
The Sulu never exist and its a fairytale stories of Sulu Caveman Studio Lollllll😂😂😂
@@planetmarsvodka5127 really?
Be careful Malaysia it's better to give to the right owner sultanate of sulu...the true king is sit the throne now..the 3 motherland and 7 heads beast of the sea is watching for you now...your country will be fall if government mistake the desisyon...
@@planetmarsvodka5127 wait really? What happened of the incident that happened in 2013?
Why this reporter did not mention a single word about "paying lease".. Is this a bias reporting?
isn't obvious?? 😂😂
He is probably Malaysian or Singaporean lol
@@snarveien1853 or just plainly looking down on the philippines that filipinos are stupid. malaysians even call us pirates. lol squatters calling others pirates.
Yes very obvious bias
biased reporting, please report accurately and precisely.
Correction... the sultanate did not give up the rights, Sabah was leased...
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Malaysia it's time to give Sabah back to its rightful owner its your fault at the first place back in 2013 you stop paying your rental now the Heir of Sultan of Sulu do what's it's right and won.
but still , they r 'indenial' on that rental part 😂😂 .
Paying a lease before is a strong proof that they not own Sabah. It’s easy to understand, I wonder Malaysian having a hard time to understand this.
@@gavinnnn8042 no 1 in sabah want to apart of u poor pinoy
@@gavinnnn8042 yes
Correction. The sultan didn’t give up his rights in Sabah.
just the sabahans majority be like " yeah we gonna join malaysia".
@@Rook.Kaiser oh that's the thrill coz none of the conquered territories in history happily embraced their new masters hahah ....though the sultanate is just taking back what it owns.
@@Lans888 the sultanate was abolished lol. Good luck ruling over people who dont recognise you. The sultanate cant even rule Philippines lol. You say none but sabahan were quit happy to vote and join Malaysia. Im a Bornean, are you even one ?
@@Rook.Kaiser you know the history of 10 datus from borneo setled in panay island ( ANTIQUE ) there language is kiniray a. View in ytube if you want to know.The History of 10 datus in Panay / Antique
@@richardunica3542 i do.
Sabah is lawfully and historically part of the Philippines. 🇵🇭
Yes....👍🏻
legit not malay
Not legit at all. Im a Sabahan Of Dusun ethnic. I dont want neither Sulu nor Macros to be my president and King. I cant even speak Tagalog. Let the Sabahan decide via our voting rights
@@shazminbahari32 whether you like it or not, it is lawfully part of the Philippines. If only your "government" did not stop paying rent, it wouldn't have come to this point. Paying for rent for many years says it all that "you don't own the land". $14.9 billion is a huge sum of money and I hope that your government will pay the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu, otherwise, we agree and support them to continue seizing the Malaysian government's international assets. These heirs deserved everything that they've been deprived for many years. Imagine coming to your own property in 2013 and the renter will detain your security staffs?? A greedy Malaysian Government. Land grabber.
@@sheenalopez569 paid for rent but sulu is still undeveloped 🤭 corrupted...
you forgot about that Malaysian Government pays an annual rent to the heir of the sultanate of sulu and those heirs has receipts of that payments.its not a baseless claim. The heirs has the right to take back their assets if you discontinue paying your rental fees . simple as that.
This is a secret Malaysian Govt has kept. Now it's a public knowledge and their people are shocked. Yes Malaysia pay a lease and yes there is contract and there are receipts. Sabahans know the history of their land and the story of Sulu Sultanate EXCEPT that of paying a lease.
The agreement was cancelled because Sulu attack East Malaysia in year 2013.
@@reimac1061 Yearly payment is not kept secret. It has been known since the founding of Malaysi because British transferred the obligation to the newly created country. What is illegal was the tranfer for how could a lessee, a private company, transfer unilaterally the rights to a certain property to other party? This is an extreme case of injustice and by that time sulu did not react because you dont wanna mess with the goons of Mama Beth.
If they gave it up, why did the Malaysian government keep paying rent until just recently?
Can you just imaging Malaysia benefited from Sabah, a land they do not own. They pay only 1k plus dollars per month to the Sultanate monthly in exchange forbthat huge land. The height of inequity and injustice is glaring. Malaysia should pay heavily. If it will not be settled amicably and Malaysia will be hard headed, it will mean and we are ready to fight.
Sabah vote Through a referendum held in 1963, it gained independence and its people voted in favour of joining Malaysia.
@@ktelite they voted to be part of malaysia? Okay then. Just pay $15B so this mess will not escalate. Easy right? If u want war then we will once again fertile our soil with blood.
@@ktelite your statement about referendum was manipulated in favor of Malaysia. Every body knows that the Sultanate of Sulu has legally and historically own the the eastern part of sabah THAT IS WHY THE SULTANATE WON THE ARBITRATION.
@@claritapastrana4917 trying to proof my point in this comment will just bring down my iq even more. No point anyway.
@@claritapastrana4917 Sulu people is dirty anyway. Sabahan people will only respect either Sultanate of Malaysia (YDP) or Sultanate of Brunei. Furthermore, Sultanate Brunei doesn't even recognized Sulu Sultanate. Even if Philippines claim that they are still the accessible power of Sultanate of Sulu, the past negotiation will stay cut off. The only way to win Sabah, is to fight with us.
This issue started when the west interfered the east. Sabah originally belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu which is now part of the Philippines. Based on documents and history, Sabah was a gift of Sultanate of Brunei to Sultanate of Sulu as a token of gratitude when the former seek help to the latter. Malaysia is yet to be a country by then. Malaysia is not the owner of Sabah, as 'evidenced' in their rent which they halted back in 2013. The real owner is not the one who rented but the landlord. Even if Sabahans don't want to be part of the Philippines, the ruling has to be followed.
Johannes you are absolutely correct this Sabah is ours and so it belongs to the Philippines.
AGREED 💯%
Basically, Philippines just want the land and resources. So, what’s the citizens gonna do? Be tossed aside. This is still pretty inhumane.
Just ask Philippines to send their military into Sabah territory and lets see what happen hahaha, bring it on dont talk so much hahaha Uraaaaaaaa
Accept the truth that sabah is part of the philippines you malaysian is our tenant only!
This would be a problem if Malaysia Paid the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu, meaning they just honor and acknowledge that they are just renting Sabah. If they don't, the Sultan's heirs will seize Malaysian government assets around the world, and they will go bankrupt. They need wise lawyers to handle this battle. Minor errors will put their federation in shambles.
they obviously rented it . they r just s2pidly indenial on that part . i hope that fake country could taste their own karma .
@Hope Lope when you pay for lease that means it's not yours. And i Thank you.
Sikat n yang si hope lope ipinaglaban nya tlg.. comment ng comment eh kaya nga nagbabayad kc ngrerenta ..ano bah🤣🤣🤣
Hope Lope: so you are smarter than who sits in the arbitration?
@hope Lope, and so Malaysian government is so stupid by giving rent where in fact they owned it?
GUILTY: it's time to terminate the contract and return it to the original owner.
The fact that Malaysia pays the rent, year after year until it defaulted thus accumulating arrears in rentals, would mean that it is a mere tenant, as the payment of rent is proof enough that it is not the owner of the said territory and naturally admits of its inferior position being a mere lessee-obligor who binds himself to pay rent to the lessor-obligee who is entitled to it. A tenant must comply with the agreement, express or implied, and pay the right amount or else it will be a ground for annulment of the contract, collection of rent and its arrears, damages, interest, or worse... eviction!
The sultanate of sulu did not give up the rights to the british. In fact, the british were paying rent approximately 3,000 mexican pesos at that time. Which also means that sulu maintained their rights and never gave it up
Correction.. its not Mexican peso its mexican gold 5300 a year renting by north borneo company by the british and not malaysian... And malaysia continuing lease to sultanate of sulu and stop in 2013.... Just like this if renting a house and your not paying your monthly rental.. What happen??? Simple logic thats why malaysia have no rights in sabah just bcoz they're only renting hahahha..
@@Mr.Niceguy41TV nahh they stopped paying because the sulu heir killed many malaysian and forcefully attempted to take over sabah back in the 2013 incursion. why should malaysia pay those heirs who murder their citizens and try to topple their government??? would you pay your enemy who try to kill your family? you probably would bcoz ur s2pid.
@@Mr.Niceguy41TV, the payment was not "rent". It was a token consolation for the Sulu Sultan.
Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented.
When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah.
What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory.
In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain.
What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British.
On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website.
Malaysians just woke up like:
"What? My country owes 14 billion USD to Sulu heirs?"
Karma is just right the corner.
😂
Malaysian people didn't even know that they are paying a lease until 2013 when the warriors of the sultanate tried to attack in Sabah it clearly shows how their government made them so ignorant
If Malaysia will ignore. It will bloat to Trillion of Dollars
If that will happen, they will have to give up the whole Malaysian Borneo. They should give up Northern Borneo now while it's still early.
@@k-studio8112 it will jeopardize all owned Malaysia assets in Europe, They will seize it.
@@Random_JapGuy I hope so, so that justice must be serve for the sultanate of sulu for being ignored and underestimated by the Malaysian government.
If they ceded the rights to the land then why did they continue to pay the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu annually until 2013? It clearly was a RENT. Why pay for a land that is already yours? Please explain.
they ignored you bro, because you're right! Malaysians only comment where there are defects in your comment/reply XD
It's only paid as goodwill but they are not obligated by the contract that they do not sign.
@@John-us9rm yeah pay for goodwill, now no more payment cause there already attack sabah. Anyway the case already solve in their way (by law).
The Heirs of Sultan of Sulu have volumes of documents to prove their claims even the Check of last payment of "Rent". It will be very painful for Malaysia to know that Sabah is not a sovereign part of Malaysia. The rightful owners are Philippines Nationals.
Nowadays we live in a democratic system. Let Sabah people decide. I am 100% sure they would not want to emerge with Philippines nor Sulu
@@aazz3524 true let they decide
@@aazz3524 even we are living in the democracy . what if your big house or palace was rented and yet they wanted to claim it on their own so what do you think of that?
@@aazz3524 then sabah people should migrate to other parts of Malaysia,give justice to the rightful owner if their claim is proven true let them have their land.
@@Clonedevice712 why dont u migrate to china? Emperor xi will welcome u with open arms
THEY DID NOT GIVE UP ANY RIGHTS, They had it on writing that the land is for LEASE ONLY. Therefore, Sabah is rightfully owned by the Philippines.
@Hope Lope The fact that the Malaysian Govt is still paying the "lease" agreement till this day invalidates your 5 points (waste of time to be honest.) the information mentioned is not cherry picked, in fact your own government believes so too, why would they still keep paying for that lease if they owned it anyway?
Something doesn't make sense, if these so called secret agreements that you so confidently believe is true then why does the Malaysian Govt keep dodging the matter to discuss this in a diplomatic way? The Philippines have initiated a diplomatic way to take this matter in international court, on June 18, 1964 President Macapagal wrote to your then Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman to discuss the matter in International Court. All above mentioned points happened before 1964. The malaysian govt could use these agreements to strengthen their claims. But they didn't do so.
IMO, the malysian govt realized that their points and agreements wouldn't hold up in international court and the fact that Sabah, has an abundance of natural resources they just couldn't let go of that land easily, thats why your govt keep dodging the Philippines in international court.
@Hope Lope that is a hard fact, the french court saw it too. If it was a gift then why was it the same amount that is agreed upon back then? You're a Malaysian I understand your biases.
No man or country would fight in a position that they can't win. Youre just like china that is so scared to face the Philippines on international court.
@Hope Lope what you laughing at? You haven't won any international ruling yet? Fact is, your govt keep dodging the Philippines, if your country and you so confident with what you called facts then Malaysia should face the Philippines in International Court. Dummy. That is the reality that you can't swallow. Winning arguments in comment section doesn't mean shit if your own govt couldn't win in international court - where things matters the most.
@@shaugnharveysanmiguel7443 can i ask? Why Malaysian government paying to those pinoy/sultan? I thought Malaysia owns sabah? And why does Malaysian Asset are at risk because of this issue?
@@shaugnharveysanmiguel7443 kabayan, I will keep track of your responses. I am learning a lot
Sultinate of sulo want Sabah to bring back to the Philippines because he wants the Republic of Philippines will benefit
the land not the Malaysia. Because sultinate of sulo is a Filipino citizen.
Sabah is part of Sulu. And Sulu belongs to the Philippines.
And philiphines belongs to China
Keep dreaming. Not even Sabahan want to be part of PH
I have good news to all phino here 👍 Manila staying away from Sulu heirs' arbitration claim against malaysia (3-august-2022) even ph gov know the right owner of sabah is malaysia not the fake sulu heirs who attack sabah in 2013 😄
Back in February 2022, a French arbitration court ruling ordered the Malaysian government to pay US$14.92 billion to the heirs of the last Sultan of Sulu living in the Philippines, as part of a settlement for a colonial-era land deal.
the son of the late Sultan Kiram is the legitimate heir but the opposition branded him as a pretender and the opposition refuse to pay for the land that they rented from the sultanate of sulu. The opposition illegally claimed the land and stopped paying rent to the heirs of the sultan of sulu in 2013.
The arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court)ruling had since been annulled by Paris Court of Appeal.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
The reporter needs to do more research about Sabah and the issues along with it...The narration he is spreading about giving up the rights of the territory is baseless.
Imagine how much opportunity was lost to the Philippines. Well what was wrong will now be righted.
No, Sabah wouldn't be developed as it is today because filipino politicians and prime movers arent smart nor benevolent to properly look after its citizens
Justice has been served to Sulu Sultanate of the Philippines.
Justice your ass 🤣
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True Sabah, Philippines 🇵🇭💙
For me, even if it don't go to Philippines as long as rightful owner have it
Are you serious?
Sulu Sultan gave up the rights of North Borneo to the British? Are you crazy?
Idiot it is leased by sutan of sulu to brits and malaysia...
It is leased...not gave up the right
@@paulferrer3578 like a rent and malaysia is trying to pay the rent
he is fucking crazy lmfao, he should have been a clown
What?! Who is in the right mind to give a huge piece of land with no reason? How can you give the land to Malaysia when the country was just formed in 1963. That land was LEASED by a private company (British North Borneo) from a private land owner (Sultan of Sulu) in 1878. Did you (media) get the both sides of the story? The Sultan of Sulu with his family has strong claim. They won't go to International Court if they think this is not winnable. Malaysia, you know at the back of your mind that this time might come. You lived and extracted the resources of the land for a long time. Its about time to give it back to the real owner and pay the compensation to the family.
Malaysia is breaking into pieces. It is a Federation anyway. Johor is pulling out and with Sabah gone, the entire Peninsula is going to collapse. Congratulations to PAS and UMNO. Dream come true. Effectively destroyed the country through Islamic Leadership. LOL.
Stupid comment
Sepanjang pemerintahan British di Sabah, mereka telah membayar wang kepada Kesultanan Sulu setiap tahun, bayaran ini deteruskan oleh kerajaan Malaysia dari tahun 1963 dan berakhir 2013, lalu telah berlaku pencerobohan berdarah di Lahad Datu Sabah dipercayai pengikut Kiram III dengan misi untuk menakluk Sabah.Membuatkan titik permulaan Malaysia menghentikan pembayaran kerana sudah menceroboh Sabah.
Pada Tahun 1946 pula,North Borneo chartered company telah menyerahkan negeri tersebut kepada empayar British akibat kemusnahan yang dihadapi pada perang dunia ke-2 , pada waktu itu, tiada bantahan lansung daripada pihak Sulu.
Pemilikan Malaysia ke atas Sabah diperkuatkan lagi apabila negeri itu bersetuju menyertai Persekutuan Malaysia pada tahun 1963.
Isu ini sepatutnya tidak timbul Sabah sudah merdeka dan menjadi sebahagian daripada Malaysia.
Kedudukan negeri Malaysia telah pun diiktiraf oleh pertubuhan bangsa bangsa berdatu (PBB) .
Pakar Sejarah, Prof Dr Ramlah, menegaskan kesultanan Sulu sudah hilang hak menuntut Sabah apabila mereka menyerahkan wilayah kuasa politik kepada Amerika Syarikat (AS) melalui perjanjian Carpenter yang ditandatangani pada 22 Mac 1915
@@finnesesf9336 huh? English please. It looks like you only copy-paste your sentence.
@@finnesesf9336 and yet Malaysia paid rent for Sabah until 2013 when they decided that they will just squat on the land and not pay what is due to the land owner.
The poor Tausugs of Sulu are the poorest of the poor in Sabah. Exploited & abused. Someday, the tables will be turned. The datus & sultans in Mindanao, Visayas, & up the Kingdom of Tondo (before it was subdued) by the Spaniards are all related by blood to the Sultan of Brunei.
When my parents was small, Sabah is called Borneo and is part of our Philippine Map.
Stop your delusion. The whole world knows that Sabah is part of the Philippine Islands.
> paid the anual rent so you acknowledged that you don't own it but instead you were leasing it
easy win in court. malaysia will go bankrupt without sabah oil hahahaha.
Sultan of Sulu rented SABAH. Hey Malaysia, forgetting your rent doesnt mean you already own the land. You become an illegal settlers, you can never change the maps and history that Sabah has always been a part of the Philippines and was never given to Malaysia, Sabah was never part of Malaysia.
The british “ rented” Sabah. After they left Malaysia paid the rent for a few years then stopped paying rent. What Malaysia has forgotten was there was a signed lease/contract. The sultanate of sulu initially just asked Malaysia to pay the rent. Get your facts right. Research and get a copy of the signed lease. This has been going on for years!
As a Filipino, i want peace with our brothers and sisters in Sabah for we came from one root. Better ask the Malaysian Government about the lease that they have been paying the Sulu Sultanate for years even decades. This legitimizes the truth on who Sabah really belongs to. For as Sabah is part of Sulu and Sulu is part of Pilipinas then Sabah is rightfully and always been Pilipinas. Peace be with you all.
Malaysia?? Brother?? Never gonna happen... 😂 😂 That's why we need to improve our military so if they didn't give it through legal rights we are going to take it physically....
Malaysian brothere? malamang mga taga malaysia yan kasi nagsi lipatan na yung iba jan sa sabah and nag anak anak ayun puro malaysian na,
Malaysia should not need to even bother listening to a french court ruling. Territorial disputes should be handled between govts, as far as I'm aware the sulu sultanate did not claims are not backed by the Philippines govt.
Just an example of the still unstable new presidency of the newly elected present of the Philippines.
@@kenchi5269 who told you? nyhhaha typical foreigner who just bark without knowing anything... why do you think this case was in UNCLOS.. and why do you think the princess of sulu won the case.. do you think they can do it without someone backing them?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kenchi5269 yeah dont listen to the french resulting of seizing 2 petronas asset as payment 🤣
Who in the right mind would just give up their claim to its ownership?
Because it's not, that JP Ong should be more delicate about the words he uses. Sabah was leased.
If you have your apartment rented by a lessor, will this stop you from owning it?
It was rented, and they stop paying payment since 2013. I think the stop of payments help the sultan of sulu inregards to legalities. And the leased payment as approved in 1878 between sultan of sulu and British company was in 'Mexican dollars'. The payments continued by Malaysia. They paid it with Malaysian money. That's why the amount reached that high claims by sultanate of sulu. I think the sultanate of sulu only wanted its rent payments to be paid😂
The heirs of sultanate of sulu is a filipino and they gave the rights to the republic of the Philippines so the sabah is part of Philippines
Money is everything for sulu
@@Tally-MMall and GREED is everything in malaysia
@@nativepinoyviands ye
Malaysian Government dont want to nego or talk they want Bloody war and Money to greedy..
I'll be euphemistic here: We have been witnesses to the United Kingdom's legacy in its role of establishing the state of Israel and the subsequent "state of affairs" with the Palestinian people. Now we are witnessing the legacy of the UK in this recent development in Philippine-Malaysia relations.
And Malaysian claiming that they own Sabah? Seriosuly? 🤣 Arbitration ruling need to be imposed here and implemented. Malaysians need to abandoned the sabah sooner or later and bring it back to its original owner which is the Philippines..
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Malaysia can't do that! They'll become the next Sri Lanka overnight . A bankrupt nation with fleeing corrupt government officials. LAH!!!!
heh then sabahan become poorer and riot happened...whatever happened between those two countries the victim is the sabahan...so much for democracy
Congratulations to the heirs! ❤️
*International court & laws and even agreement of rent/lease are essential & lawful... hope nations will respect and will follow... not to ignore* ❤
*do u think they will follow? they will prefer war instead. Than return it back to the owner..... thats the reality like the squatters in philippines.* 😆
@@giovannilaru-an then all their assets in abroad are all ours now 😜 if they don't give back sabah they'll go bankrupt like sri lanka
@@giovannilaru-an or malaysia will collapse like yugoslavia
@@shonehellsing784 *pinoy ka po? kakampi mo ako. Sinasabi ko lng yung totoo eh. D buh mga skwater satin matigas ang ulo. Ayaw umalis f paalisin na cla. Cla pa galit at lalaban ng patayan....* 😆
Malaysia is a land grabber,,, sabbah is owned by native pilipino of sultanate of sulo Mr kiram,,, only Malaysia is a renter but ,Malaysia cleamng the sabbah ,,,is not a owner,,,,
Cough2, British not Malaysia🤣
Bias media. If the sultanate siezed ownership as u said, the territory should still be philippines.
Jan 24, 2023 updates: Court set aside claim by ‘Sulu heirs’, disallowed seizure of Petronas asset in Luxembourg
thanks to all malaysia ministry group to make this became reality 👍
should thanks PH especialy tommy thomas over this issues
@@abcdenial he try deal back payment cut by Najib era
@@syarizansulaiman6554 FYI it was they fault u can refer what is tommy write... stupd 1
@@abcdenial the payments have been ongoing since formation until 2013, why are you not talking about that, not to mention it was only RM 5000 and they decided to stop paying when certain groups of people have taking hundreds of thousands annually even up to billions, both sides are to blame especially UMNO, it's people like you who are going to make malaysia the next sri lanka
@@EkaterinaKing so do u support sulu? how bout they came and kill ur relative u still want to pay them? are u okay mates? or are u just a plain stupid?
Those sultan sulu? Sultan sulu are dead long time ago
@Chairman Xi JinPooh fake descendets...sultan sulu didnt have any progeny
That's the problem when what comes out from your mouth is sheer ignorance
Their descendents are scattered and couldn't be bothered details unless there's "lawyers" keen in 1% commission. Also, some actually know their apparent heirs. 🥱
@@armageddon2520 , please bro. You know Sulu descendents personally? 🤭🤭🤭
@Chairman Xi JinPooh , and you know this because you were part of the Cobbold commission sent by the crown ehhh??? Bollocks
Malaysian gov. Knows what is true thats why malaysia never attend international court about sabah issue 🤣🤣🤣
Oh really? Well Malaysian assets abroad has been placed into lien & more assets will be on lien position until Malaysia 🇲🇾 can rebutt the claim at the arbitrial court in France.
@@alaindelon611 i dont care what you say dude 😎 as i said malaysia never attend international court
@@khentbefitel392, OK you don't care , I get that but your country still has to pay the USD $14.9Billion your country owed and guess what you'll be paying that amount from the taxes you pay every year. You still don't care?
They did not gave up their rights. They leased it to the Dutch company. In fact Malaysia is still paying rent up to this day. Don't follow the Malaysian and British narratives.
@Hope Lope so base on what I read here Malaysia is still paying the rent?
Can you discredit that? Or prove it otherwise?
Im seeing from both perspective here. If the verdict pass to say that Sabah should be 'returned' to Sultanate of Sulu:
For Malaysia - The long years of investing and developing Sabah will be given freely to them. In order to rip of the riches and benefits of Sabah, BILLIONS was invested due to challenging terrains, economic, transportation and channeling education across Sabah. Therefore, for Sultanate of Sulu to request to 'return' Sabah back to them will deem unfair for Malaysia who put the effort of developing Sabah.
For Sultanate of Sulu - It is their land of rights that was in generation given to another party without them being in control. Seeing their land devoloping and not being able to share the riches, it seems unfair.
However, in a fair, economical and financial pov - IF Sabah is to 'be given back' to Sultanate of Sulu, they need to understand that the people of Sabah was not under their jurisdiction for generations. Culturally and morally, there would be a huge social challenge for the Sultanate to govern through. Then there is the financial part where maintaining the development of Sabah. To rip the benefit and riches of Sabah will require a huge funding and investments. The Sultanate of Sulu will need to consider a huge amount of budgeting firstly on the economic side and secondly on the governing side ( i may have left other points but those two are the apparent ones i see) which WILL BE costly. So if Sabah is 'returned' PH governments will need a huge financial restructuring which I believe is a huge challenge to them since PH is also battling the current economic downturn and funding their current populace.
Would taking over Sabah be a good maneuver to add more into PH's plate?
Edit: Im curious about other people's view on this. I hope Im not attracting emotional patriots - just want a logical perspective thanks
This is what happens when you stop paying rent and try to hide it under the bush. I wish we can all stop paying rent and claim the place we are living in :)
"invisible people" Sabahan don't forget your Filipinos .
It's been a long fight to recognize your Filipinos Just keep waiting and Hope that one day until we finally win the rights on that land.
SABAH. Filipina🇵🇭. From Indonesia🇮🇩 brothers😎 💜☝
Sarawak Indonesia!🇮🇩 💪
$2Bn down, $23Bn more to go.
Why you pay rent if it's yours helloooow???🤣🤣🤣
You must interview the lawyer of the sultan of sulu for fair reporting
They are reporting fake history when the arbitrary court recognising the existence of the lease contract the legal document
THE CONTRACT IS LEASE AGREEMENT, THE WORD USED IS "PAJAKAN" WHICH MEANS LEASE OR RENT. THATS WHY THEY WON THE ARBITRAL RULING.
Sabah philippines🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
As with any legal dispute, the quickest and cheapest way to settle this case is by paying now rather than later.
Malaysia pay rent YEARLY TO SULTANATE OF SULU.. but they STOP last 2013.. so it means SABAH is for SULTANATE OF SULU👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
Damn the Brits. They brought many of world conflicts!!
It is clearly a proof that SULTANATE OF SULU is the LEGITIMATE OWNER OF SABAH and not Malaysia.
One logic is simple, if a tenant(Malaysia) refuses to pay the rent payment to the landlord (SULU), then, he must leave at all cost. PERIOD
Yes. That's right, the sulu sultanate is the right owner of sabah which is belongs to mindanao.
THEIR IS NO SULU SULTANATE ANYMORE ITS THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES.
and yet malaysia is still paying lease to the sultan of sulu so you know whose lying.
2013 stop
@@ardel_harapan_keadilan cause they got angry when the the sultan attacked sabah because the price had not changed in more than a hundred years. the important thing is that they did acknowledge that they never really owned the land and only stopped paying lease because of aggression. the fact that they were paying lease until the attack says they are lying
Sabah. .Welcome back to the Philippines
Use your common sense guys, if Malaysian government is paying rent to the Sultanate of Sulu, that means their country is acknowledging the fact that Sabah is not their property.
Correction. The Sultanate of Sulu never gave up Sabah to British North Borneo Company. They merely leased it to this company. They should not have passed it to Malaysia as it was never theirs nor Malaysia's to begin with. They engaged the Sultanate of Sulu in a contract behind which is bad faith.
Before commenting, know the history. In 1660 to 1673, A civil war broke out in Brunei between Sultans Abdul Hakkul Mubin and Muhyiddin. Muhyiddin was concerned that the civil war was dragging on too long and asked the help of the sultan of Sulu to send forces. Sabah was given to the Sulu Sultanate by Brunei as a reward for helping Sultan Muhyiddin's forces. Sultan of Brunei handover Sabah to Sultan of Sulu as a reward for helping Brunei to settle that civil war.
Is there any conclusive evidence that Brunei awarded Sabah to Sulu? Not just history saying, of course.
@@azmard4865 yes they have and the British know that
@@paulermac2064 I recall the International Court had rejected the claim. Some sort of physical documents etc must be present to solve this issue.
@Hope Lope If the British Government knows from whom they rented the land, ofcourse they know to whom they will return it.
@Hope Lope why Malaysia will pay 15B dollars to the sultanate of sulu? C'mon men you know exactly the answer for this.
Gave up rights? Are you fucking kidding me? The contract was in Old Malay Language and the word Pajjakan was used. It meant "to Lease". Gave up rights my ass. Also, they are paying rent. Common sense dictate that its being rented.
When the International Court of Justice awarded the decision to the Heir of the Sultanate of Sulu regarding their claims over Sabah, it means it was ours lawfully, Philippines should enforce that decision by any means necessary for the Stability and Control of the region.
Philippines didn’t pay the 2.4 million U.S dollars in court fees the descendants of the Sultanate did !!!
Top notch Lawyer of the ARBITRARY TRIBUNAL DECIDE after long and tedious arguments and awarding the SABAH claims to Sultanate. The Malasians Media like blah blah ..
You and like most Filipino netizen and even Filipino media were either ignorant, misunderstood or misled by what were going on in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. First of all, it was NOT International Court of Justice (ICJ) but various European courts in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Those court proceedings were NOT about the sovereignty of Sabah, NOT about who owned Sabah in the past and who owns Sabah at present. They were all about "compensation" claimed by eight individuals who claimed to be heirs of the defunct Sultanate of Sulu for purportedly breach of agreement.
Paris Court awarded Sulu with USD14.92B for compensation which Malaysia had to pay for "breach of agreement". The judgment didn't say anything about the sovereignty of Sabah. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact, recognized internationally and recognized by the United Nations. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
As for the arbitration award by Paris Court, the ruling had since been set aside and prosperity and Paris Court of Appeal.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m (USD6.6m) spent.
Sabah is, and always will be, Philippines
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Now it's time for Filipinos to claim whats truly is ours. Let's all be thankful for the Sultanate of Sulu for fighting our own rights & territory.
Sabah, welcome to the Philippines!!!
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Love you Sultanate of Sulu 💖🥰😎🇵🇭
Justice for the sultanate of Sulu ❤️
Many died when the Sulu Sultanate attacked Sabah but were not blamed. Maybe Malaysia can emulate the same way 🥰
@@zulhilmi393 They were not blamed, because malaysian gov are afraid for the sultan to discuss this matter in international court. But sorry not sorry because it has already been.
@@dumpacc13 let's say if Malaysia attack Filipina without warning/notice, will The Filipine government accept it?
@@zulhilmi393 Sorry your armies are no match for the Philippines army defense. You are the one who should be afraid of anonymous attacks lol.
@@zulhilmi393 Malayasian ego are so high that they will use attacks, just because they don't want their ego to go down such a crying baby.
SABAH, PHILIPPINES❤
They were paying rent, until it stopped in 2013.
Malaysia is Greed while Philippines is a humble, kind and peaceful country
Humble, kind, peaceful.... and dirt poor country. We Sabahans rather stay in a greedy country than be forced to eat "pagpag" for the rest of our lives....
SABAH PHILIPPINES MABUHAY!😁
Gave up? It was merely for leasing.
THE LIVING GOD IS WATCHING WHAT HIS PEOPLE DID.
GOD'S BLESSINGS AND PROTECTION VICTORY TO OUR BELOVED BROTHER KIRAM SULTANATE OF SULO PHILIPPINES IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY!AMEN AND AMEN!🇵🇭 🙏 🤲 ❤️.
We Indonesian stand on the truth, we stand with The Philippines. Malaysian you CAN'T deny!
This is a total loss for Malaysia. If they pay, it confirms that Sabah is not theirs. If they dont pay, they will be forced to do so and lose Sabah at the same time.Malaysia has no exit.
The BNBc is a mere lessee, paying rent to the lessor year after year until it transferred its rights & naturally its obligations over the said territory to Malaysia which continued to pay the rentals until it defaulted in 2013. The point is, BNBc can't give something which it does not own like Sabah, except maybe to pass on to Malaysia the rights & obligations pertaining to a lessee, and so Malaysia, being a mere successor-transferee can't be in a better position than its predecessor-transferor much less claim to possess a right more superior than that of the former lessee BNBc from whom Malaysia draws its breath.