I have a superlight in flame lacquer, and had a TSR 9 by moulton. I sold my TSR 9 when the t-line 12-speed came out and bought the TLine 12s.. It was a hefty purchase, but it is an absolutely gorgeous piece of engineering and I'm glad I bought it!
I agree with all the statements you've made. For me 4 gears is perfect for NYC. I had the 6 Speed Superlight and I found I only used mainly 2 gears so for me the 4 Speed is perfect. My frame has some scratches here and there, made some mods, but i think that if something happened to this bike I would buy another without question. For me it was a big upgrade from the 6 Speed Superlight. They feel like 2 completely different bikes. The Superlight plods along but the T just wants to go!
Love this bike. I'm coming up to 2 years on my T-Line too and it's holding up great. Couple of observations from discussions with other T-Line owners. I've never had problems with gears slipping myself but others who've gone with after market tensioners or derailleurs like you have faced issues. Creaking is generally a problem for heavier riders and yes, tightening and greasing eliminates plus do remember to apply grease on the inner surface of the hinge clamps. I've changed to a 56T chainring and 11,13,17,21 (11, 13 stock) cogs and the resulting wider gear ratios on both ends has been the best upgrade by far. I'm still running the stock tensioner & derailleur which is almost bomb-proof.
Living in Marseille, I was lacking more granny speeds. Especially since I installed a 56t chainring. So I converted my 4spds TLine into a 12 speeds. Now I can climb the one tallest hill in Marseille I live atop of without lifting my butt! And go real fast when I’m in a pinch. The bike is heavier but it’s worth it for me.
Went out to find a shop that stocked Brompton's in Sunningdale, UK and found that it had a T line in stock, so now I am a proud new owner of this and a Superlight that I keep in Spain. Also, I have three Moultons. No such thing as too many bikes.
I too have a Brompton super light, in flame lacquer. I also owned a moulton TSR 9. When The T line came out, I sold my moulton to pay for part of The 12-speed T line I bought. I loved that TSR 9! But, having to stay within a budget, I was okay parting with it as I love my t line! I love both manufacturers, however my primary concern for purchasing a bike was portability so bromptons are who I'm going with.
@@SouthSideChiTown I like your reply. Today I will take off 17mm off each end of the T lines handle bar. Have checked that everything still folds and no cables start causing rubbing. Even with just the four gears I find the lightness enables me to climp quite a steep rise and the way you can accelerate is a revelation. Best :D
About that plug for pedal storage that keeps coming undone, maybe you could insert a tiny neodymium magnet inside it that would actively hold it in while you're riding.
Everytime i watch one of your Brompton videos i also want to have a t-line :) I also like your honest and simple made video format and your cruising videos. Thank you and greetings from Germany!
As an owner of a now much former than 2019 Superlight, now below 9 kilo, with mudguards (( What's left of the original bike) I'm a Rainy Dane), I would be scared of mud and water coming down on the crank and ball bearings in front, from the strange holes. I like the new and replaceable hinges, but I don't use it daily, as now 76, so it isn't a problem for me. And I have 6 gears, of which some are so low that I didn't know for what use I had them, till I met a serpentine road and had to walk on top! Finn. Denmark
Shu in da' hoouussse! Was looking forward to this update to see how the T-Line was aging and, like you, it's aging beautifully like a fine wine. It looks practically brand-new and the few scratches and patina it does have shows how much the bike has been loved. The T-Line is terrific and your channel has been instrumental into me getting a T-Line also. Can't wait to see how the rest of the bike is holding up. It's crazy that your carbon chainring looks to be doing great too. Since your build, are there any other chainrings or parts that you would swap out for the parts you have now? I like your idea of the 12-speed but I love the single chainring more. Would perhaps get a couple of more cogs in the back for higher gears or, perhaps, get a Rohloff speedhub. I'm not convinced either way. Your 4-speed is a minimalist masterpiece... alright alright.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Shu. I found the most beautiful custom titanium bikes in the world, from Sturdy Cycles in the U.K. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts. Are there any parts you would be interested in trying out on your T-Line, like the Titanium 3D printed crankset? Yes, all these stunning titanium parts will cost a small fortune and perhaps add more weight to your bike than your featherlight carbon parts, but the beauty and longevity of Sturdy Cycle parts is unmatched.
They do look nice. I scratch my crank arms on the ground on turns and waiting at the light so I would not want those lol. It woul be painful to damage them they are so expensive.
Man, love your eyeglasses. And the long carbon fibre seat post. Where are they from? And you must have been one of the first people to have a T Line, as I live in London and it was hard to get this version then. In the end, after trying it at a trade fair, I went for the P Line in speckled Black with 4 speeds due to the price. Love it! I also noticed a crackling sound from the front fork upwards as well when i go over bumpy cobbled streets like you have in The Big Apple. I am in Europe and Brompton say we should all avoid these kinds of streets!
Hi, I'm not a fan of 12-speed because everything becomes much thinner and the chain stretches faster. Prefer 7-speed, but due to access to parts I am now on 9-speed, prefer chainring in stainless steel or titanium and titanium cassette. Greetings from Croatia
That is a nice design. I have seen many great designs but I love the B fold. The folding design is what does it for me. That said, I do have other bikes that are much better than the Brompton but for different purposes/rides.
I had a one from their first release series and had a lot of issues with the ghost gear skipping. Brompton replaced the advanced derailleur and the issue was minimized but not completely resolved. So you’re not alone. Also, why haven’t you modified the gearing and added a couple of gears? You said you could use one more gear to go fast. I found the 4 gear limiting when going fast on the straight line
@@DT-sd6pqI just ordered a c line electric 12 speed to add to my c line super light 6 speed. I really want a T line need to decide what speed 12 or 4 sp?
thanks for the video....when you do next T-Line video for parts can you please add the chainring too....just needed to know if the chainring is the spider kind...its a five bolts so you can change the chainring with any kind of road bike chainring size....i got a 75T on my C-Line...on earlier videos on T-Line i think they have a different kind of chainring
Praxis sells botht he BCD 110 and BCD 130 spider so you can choose which chain ring size you will need. On my T I have a 110 but my superlight has the 130 so I can use the stock Brompton chainring. There are more 130 chainrings for the Brompton but most road bike chainrings are 110.
@@BromptonFamilyTime great....thanks for the reply back....looks like i can use either one.....excerpt from Amazon......Driveline AL7075 Road Bike Bicycle TT Chainring 75T, BCD 110/130mm, Black,ST1496-N
Interesting design. 75T is HUGE!!! You may run into other problems when folding the bike. I would check the REDDIT forums and see if you can find out the max size.
@@BromptonFamilyTime as long as T-Line crank has a 5 bolt 130mm BCD, you can take any size road bike chainring....75T will not be able to fold the Brompton cz the big chainring is on the way....i have to use a velcro on mine
The only solution that I have seen that works is adding a secondary clamp directly on the seatpost. People will buy quick release clamps and modify it. I have no experience with it, but I have heard it works well for people that have extended seatpost or are at the heavier weight end.
CK headsets are rebuildable and can be relubricated. Other headsets are simply replaced. That said, regular headsets are so cheap it is better to just replace it. The only reason to get the CK is for looks (I got addicted to CK after riding my fixed gear bike so I wanted it on my Brompton).
If anyone wants an equally light tri-fold, there are aluminum brompnots for 1/5th the price. Not good for long rides due to the stiffness but if youre just a short distance rider, there you go
Have you had any experience with the Chris King headset making noise and becoming loose after a while?Mine get loosen after 200km of use after installation, had to tighten it twice since install
No problems on the T Line CK headset. The superlight need to be adjusted once when I first installed it. Did you install it yourself? If you go to the CK website you can order replacement parts if something is worn out. I would reach out to CK and see what they say. The superlight CK headset is tricker to tighten by design.
Very awesome video. Love yr honesty. So let me ask: you've pretty much changed everything. And you've bought aftermarket parts from Ti Parts Workshop. What about buying the frame from them too?
The frame is the heart of any bike. If you work on any type of bike, all parts will eventually need to be replaced as maintenance. I would never buy any clone frames. I view parts as universal and should be compatible to most bikes. I am not away of TiParts Workshop making frames.
You mentioned that sometimes you wish for one higher gear, and my compliant about the bike is that Brompton opted to use a 50T chainring instead of keeping the 54T, which would have widened the gear range compared to the old 2 speeds. But you have a different crankset and chainring than the stock one. Is it also 50T?
54T with 160mm arms on all my bikes currently. For most of my riding it is fine so overall this works for me. I just don't like bridges on hot days lol.
...the hinges seem more lasting and less deformable than the traditional ones... and the bolts probably more replaceable... but that price... even if I could afford it, I d never ride, park, maintain, carry it around as carefree as I do with my hired C-Line!
I have a superlight in flame lacquer, and had a TSR 9 by moulton. I sold my TSR 9 when the t-line 12-speed came out and bought the TLine 12s.. It was a hefty purchase, but it is an absolutely gorgeous piece of engineering and I'm glad I bought it!
I agree with all the statements you've made. For me 4 gears is perfect for NYC. I had the 6 Speed Superlight and I found I only used mainly 2 gears so for me the 4 Speed is perfect. My frame has some scratches here and there, made some mods, but i think that if something happened to this bike I would buy another without question. For me it was a big upgrade from the 6 Speed Superlight. They feel like 2 completely different bikes. The Superlight plods along but the T just wants to go!
Love this bike. I'm coming up to 2 years on my T-Line too and it's holding up great. Couple of observations from discussions with other T-Line owners. I've never had problems with gears slipping myself but others who've gone with after market tensioners or derailleurs like you have faced issues. Creaking is generally a problem for heavier riders and yes, tightening and greasing eliminates plus do remember to apply grease on the inner surface of the hinge clamps. I've changed to a 56T chainring and 11,13,17,21 (11, 13 stock) cogs and the resulting wider gear ratios on both ends has been the best upgrade by far. I'm still running the stock tensioner & derailleur which is almost bomb-proof.
How is shifting on the high end?
@artofhookie shifts smoothly like stock. I think not messing with the original 4 gears indexing helps.
Thanks for the update Shu. Really glad the T Line's going strong. How I wish mine was squeak free ;) Hope you and the family have a great summer.
The Praxis BB and cranks are super sweet. I have em on my B75.
I love the price too!
Class video, love your bike
Living in Marseille, I was lacking more granny speeds.
Especially since I installed a 56t chainring. So I converted my 4spds TLine into a 12 speeds.
Now I can climb the one tallest hill in Marseille I live atop of without lifting my butt! And go real fast when I’m in a pinch.
The bike is heavier but it’s worth it for me.
Have had my T line one year love it. Stays in my trunk I still laugh every time I lift it out the car as it is so light.
Went out to find a shop that stocked Brompton's in Sunningdale, UK and found that it had a T line in stock, so now I am a proud new owner of this and a Superlight that I keep in Spain. Also, I have three Moultons. No such thing as too many bikes.
I too have a Brompton super light, in flame lacquer. I also owned a moulton TSR 9. When The T line came out, I sold my moulton to pay for part of The 12-speed T line I bought. I loved that TSR 9! But, having to stay within a budget, I was okay parting with it as I love my t line!
I love both manufacturers, however my primary concern for purchasing a bike was portability so bromptons are who I'm going with.
@@SouthSideChiTown I like your reply. Today I will take off 17mm off
each end of the T lines handle bar. Have checked that everything still folds and no cables start causing rubbing. Even with just the four gears I find the lightness enables me to climp quite a steep rise and the way you can accelerate is a revelation. Best :D
I would love to buy a Moulton one day! I would hang it on my wall and look at it everyday lol.
Thanks for the video, I hope you and family are doing well. Hello from Atlanta. By the way I still love my T Brompton
Hi Victor! I am glad you are still enjoying your T-Line down south. I can't believe how time flies!
About that plug for pedal storage that keeps coming undone, maybe you could insert a tiny neodymium magnet inside it that would actively hold it in while you're riding.
There is a magnet in there to hold the peddle. The plug is just a soft silicone and it should just plug in to stop dirt fluid entering.
Everytime i watch one of your Brompton videos i also want to have a t-line :)
I also like your honest and simple made video format and your cruising videos.
Thank you and greetings from Germany!
Is it already 2 years. 😮
Man, I feel old now.
こないだ購入して喜んでたのが もう2年！早いですねー😮
As an owner of a now much former than 2019 Superlight, now below 9 kilo, with mudguards (( What's left of the original bike) I'm a Rainy Dane), I would be scared of mud and water coming down on the crank and ball bearings in front, from the strange holes. I like the new and replaceable hinges, but I don't use it daily, as now 76, so it isn't a problem for me. And I have 6 gears, of which some are so low that I didn't know for what use I had them, till I met a serpentine road and had to walk on top! Finn. Denmark
U posted same thing in another brompton video. What's reason
@@kisms8590 Sorry, my fault!
That chainring looks absolutely massive
Shu in da' hoouussse! Was looking forward to this update to see how the T-Line was aging and, like you, it's aging beautifully like a fine wine. It looks practically brand-new and the few scratches and patina it does have shows how much the bike has been loved. The T-Line is terrific and your channel has been instrumental into me getting a T-Line also. Can't wait to see how the rest of the bike is holding up. It's crazy that your carbon chainring looks to be doing great too. Since your build, are there any other chainrings or parts that you would swap out for the parts you have now? I like your idea of the 12-speed but I love the single chainring more. Would perhaps get a couple of more cogs in the back for higher gears or, perhaps, get a Rohloff speedhub. I'm not convinced either way. Your 4-speed is a minimalist masterpiece... alright alright.
I am always looking for different gear to use lol. I already have a few parts inbound that I hope to get soon. I love trying out new gear.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Shu. I found the most beautiful custom titanium bikes in the world, from Sturdy Cycles in the U.K. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts. Are there any parts you would be interested in trying out on your T-Line, like the Titanium 3D printed crankset? Yes, all these stunning titanium parts will cost a small fortune and perhaps add more weight to your bike than your featherlight carbon parts, but the beauty and longevity of Sturdy Cycle parts is unmatched.
They do look nice. I scratch my crank arms on the ground on turns and waiting at the light so I would not want those lol. It woul be painful to damage them they are so expensive.
BFT..I forgot the handlebar length after cut. I may want to do it, could you tell me 🥸
It's worth it for shorter riders. I think taller riders with wider shoulds may find it more comfortable to have the wide bars though.
@@BromptonFamilyTime BFT..what length you cut yours too? How much off center?
I just matched the length of the S Type. I don't remember the measurements but that is an ideal width for me.
thanks for the honest updates........cheers
Man, love your eyeglasses. And the long carbon fibre seat post. Where are they from?
And you must have been one of the first people to have a T Line, as I live in London and it was hard to get this version then.
In the end, after trying it at a trade fair, I went for the P Line in speckled Black with 4 speeds due to the price. Love it!
I also noticed a crackling sound from the front fork upwards as well when i go over bumpy cobbled streets like you have in The Big Apple. I am in Europe and Brompton say we should all avoid these kinds of streets!
The glasses are Ombraz. We made a video about it before. You can click the link below!
ua-cam.com/video/hIprWkBFJKk/v-deo.html
@@BromptonFamilyTime Now i can see! Thanks a lot for reaching out
Have a great day!
Hi, I'm not a fan of 12-speed because everything becomes much thinner and the chain stretches faster. Prefer 7-speed, but due to access to parts I am now on 9-speed, prefer chainring in stainless steel or titanium and titanium cassette.
Greetings from Croatia
Curious your thoughts on Hummingbird folding bike. Has a belt drive option which is nice, doesn't fold as compact tho. Carbon instead of Ti.
That is a nice design. I have seen many great designs but I love the B fold. The folding design is what does it for me. That said, I do have other bikes that are much better than the Brompton but for different purposes/rides.
Change a 58T oval front chain ring. You will love the feel while climbing and on flat.
Thanks for the feedback. I have been wanting to try one in the future.
…but was it worth $5K?😆
It is worth it.
If one consider it is a piece of Art n original work. Yes it is that much.
It had to be recalled because of some defect recently.
I had a one from their first release series and had a lot of issues with the ghost gear skipping. Brompton replaced the advanced derailleur and the issue was minimized but not completely resolved. So you’re not alone. Also, why haven’t you modified the gearing and added a couple of gears? You said you could use one more gear to go fast. I found the 4 gear limiting when going fast on the straight line
@@DT-sd6pqI just ordered a c line electric 12 speed to add to my c line super light 6 speed. I really want a T line need to decide what speed 12 or 4 sp?
thanks for the video....when you do next T-Line video for parts can you please add the chainring too....just needed to know if the chainring is the spider kind...its a five bolts so you can change the chainring with any kind of road bike chainring size....i got a 75T on my C-Line...on earlier videos on T-Line i think they have a different kind of chainring
Praxis sells botht he BCD 110 and BCD 130 spider so you can choose which chain ring size you will need. On my T I have a 110 but my superlight has the 130 so I can use the stock Brompton chainring. There are more 130 chainrings for the Brompton but most road bike chainrings are 110.
@@BromptonFamilyTime great....thanks for the reply back....looks like i can use either one.....excerpt from Amazon......Driveline AL7075 Road Bike Bicycle TT Chainring 75T, BCD 110/130mm, Black,ST1496-N
Interesting design. 75T is HUGE!!! You may run into other problems when folding the bike. I would check the REDDIT forums and see if you can find out the max size.
@@BromptonFamilyTime as long as T-Line crank has a 5 bolt 130mm BCD, you can take any size road bike chainring....75T will not be able to fold the Brompton cz the big chainring is on the way....i have to use a velcro on mine
Great video and like the upgrades you did, Did you have any issues with the Tubolito tubes?
Seatpost slipping ruins the experience for me. Someday will have to figure out how to permanently modify so no slip occurs.
Had Ti on my Brompton…so finished is not smooth as the plated steel or carbon one….no slippage in my experience…just an Aliexpress jobbie one.
The only solution that I have seen that works is adding a secondary clamp directly on the seatpost. People will buy quick release clamps and modify it. I have no experience with it, but I have heard it works well for people that have extended seatpost or are at the heavier weight end.
Abraço, muito cara essa linha t nova
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Hi Thanks for this amazing video.. How is the t line saddle? Is it good for long ride without padding shorts or better to switch to brooks?
I am using the Bisaddle now and it is much better for my. I use to use padded shorts with the T Line saddle if I was doing a long ride,.
What’s the benefit of upgrading to the CK headset, other than that it looks sick?
CK headsets are rebuildable and can be relubricated. Other headsets are simply replaced. That said, regular headsets are so cheap it is better to just replace it. The only reason to get the CK is for looks (I got addicted to CK after riding my fixed gear bike so I wanted it on my Brompton).
If anyone wants an equally light tri-fold, there are aluminum brompnots for 1/5th the price. Not good for long rides due to the stiffness but if youre just a short distance rider, there you go
Have you had any experience with the Chris King headset making noise and becoming loose after a while?Mine get loosen after 200km of use after installation, had to tighten it twice since install
On a TLine?
No problems on the T Line CK headset. The superlight need to be adjusted once when I first installed it. Did you install it yourself? If you go to the CK website you can order replacement parts if something is worn out. I would reach out to CK and see what they say. The superlight CK headset is tricker to tighten by design.
Is the top tube on the this T Brompton larger in diameter than the C line?
Yes the folded width is wider too.
Very awesome video. Love yr honesty. So let me ask:
you've pretty much changed everything. And you've
bought aftermarket parts from Ti Parts Workshop.
What about buying the frame from them too?
The frame is the heart of any bike. If you work on any type of bike, all parts will eventually need to be replaced as maintenance. I would never buy any clone frames. I view parts as universal and should be compatible to most bikes. I am not away of TiParts Workshop making frames.
@@BromptonFamilyTime , my bad. You're right (of course you are!) that TiParts do not offer frames. Thank you for answering!
Did you raise the handlebars somehow? Is that black bit below the handlebar hinge something you added?
No that is how the T Line comes. It is part of the folding mechanism.
You mentioned that sometimes you wish for one higher gear, and my compliant about the bike is that Brompton opted to use a 50T chainring instead of keeping the 54T, which would have widened the gear range compared to the old 2 speeds. But you have a different crankset and chainring than the stock one. Is it also 50T?
54T with 160mm arms on all my bikes currently. For most of my riding it is fine so overall this works for me. I just don't like bridges on hot days lol.
Can you share the pins you upgraded to?
I am using TiParts Workshop pins. It's not a big upgrade but make sure you use locktite and the correct torque spec.
Is there a particular reason I see so many Bromptons with the seat so far forward?
I use Spirgrips so my reach is more forward.
What do you think of the new G Line?
I will get one one day. It looks great. I like the electric version.
...the hinges seem more lasting and less deformable than the traditional ones... and the bolts probably more replaceable... but that price... even if I could afford it, I d never ride, park, maintain, carry it around as carefree as I do with my hired C-Line!
The new hinges use bushings that can be replaced in minutes compared to the steel hinge design.
have had my brompton (not T) for 12 years and almost never wash it
If I spend this kind of money on a bike I will sleep with it.