I've noticed on all this YT videos how they mention capabilities, performances of bikes, hills vs flat roads, etc.. without ever considering fitness level I own the P- line. I am 5"7, 170 lbs physically fit. I can go asphalt mountain riding on very steep grades without much of a struggle on lightest gear. The more I ride in my Brompton, the more I like if. It's a beauty.
Hey! I enjoy watching all your videos. I love it when you do comparisons. I was wondering if you could do a comparison between an old Superlight vs a P line. Thanks!
Imho there were also differences that T-line in folding joints had inserts that would wear, while P-line probably like lower classes, will need to use larger diameter axles to compensate worn wear, as one cannot fix worn material from frame. There might be also limitations with aftermarket parts, which are compatible with which, due those changed folding joints. For example, i'm not sure generic aftermaket steering post will be compatible with T-line, and not all aftermarket vendors will make another variant for very small niche (due cost & production volume) of their products. One may argue though, that there is less need to upgrade/change on T-line, as stock parts are light enough. Tuning done, but "by factory".
👩🏼🦲 Thanks for your thoughts. The new design is much better on the T-Line, but I think for most riders, they will never wear out the frame over the pin.
In any case case the warranty which Brompton offer and the fact that they, and they will repair and change necessary parts is exclusive to the concept of this bike. One of the reasons I would never ask a third party bike mechanic to fix my ‘’Beamer’’ nor my ‘’Brommy’’.
Great video as ever, but I still prefer my original 6spd Super Light - I think the gearing will make up for the weight for anyone relatively fit :) I might get some of the wheels from the P-Line though to put on it though!
I use the gears on my two speed superlight all the time. I think one gear would not be enough. I did ride fixed gear for two years but the wheel size made up for the one gear.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Would you recommend going for the P-Line over the C-Line? I'm able to get a second hand C-Line for a decent deal but the P-Line would be full-price
My 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, with mudguards, is presently down to 9,35 kilo and still with ways to make it even lighter (Carbon handlebar + minor parts which I hope will give 0,35 - 0,50 kilo?). And as a 6"+ , 100 kilo man I may find ways to reduce our combined weight!
I also bought the same grips from Brooks and the plastic material feels much harder than the Ergon ergonomic grips. The Brooks grips look nice but I prefer the Ergon grips more.
👩🏼🦲Ergons are probably the most comfortable. I like the ESE silicone grips just as much so far, but the ergons do offer more stability with the palm swell.
hey I also bought the Brooks grips, and I too think that they are a bit too hard. Which ergons do you use? As far as I know the gp1 dont work with bromptons. Was thinking about getting the ga3. I guess they are softer but may have less space for the palm.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I think for your family trip, your silicone grips are the perfect choice. The Brooks or Ergon grips are much heavier than the stock one.
Hi, really cool video thanks. I'm going to buy a P line urban Brompton next year, would you say the four speeds are enough and make for a comfortable ride please?
It depends on the rider. You should definitely test out the different gearing if you have a Brompton Dealer near you. Each bike is build different. I think the P Line is great for the city riding.
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I really want an E-Scooter but I am afraid to have them in an apartment because of the fires caused by the batteries - so I am looking into The P line Brompton as an alternative way to get around NYC but they are so expensive - do you know anything about those E-Batteries as far as safety?
I would stay away from Electric battery scooters and bikes personally. I have seen many apartments banning all of them including CE approved ones. You could always add an electric kit to the P line later. The P Line is a great bike for all of the city riding.
Just curious where you get the mudguard giant wheels set for the T and P line. with the giant wheels, when partially folded, does the bike stand steadily? I do not feel like adding a rear rack to stabilise it, so this can be a good option ?
Can I ask the brand name of the roller wheel accessory that you added to the BACK mudguard and the eazy wheels. They looks strong and practical. Thanks! Your video are all great
Thanks so much for this video! I noticed you have the M-type / mid-bar on your P-Line, though the S-type / low-bar on your T-Line - which of these do you prefer please? Or do you prefer both for different use cases? Thanks!
The S Type is much more sporty and requires both hands to be constantly on the handlebar. The M Type is more for leisure since you are more upright. The M Type you can right with one hand since the weight balance of the bike is more towards the rear. I prefer the S type simply because I can go faster (more aerodynamic position and more leg power when climbing). I do plan on getting an electric kit for the M type which will make it better.
I feel the P and T are trying to ape a road bike. Just got a standard C line 2 speed with a 54 chain ring and it's plenty fast enough to occupy the middle ground between my rain day city bike and racer. Will upgrade the rear gear mech at some point but that will be it. Light enough to carry and will do all my dry day work commutes and a little bit more, and I prefer not to fold it. The P and T are a little more expensive than my road bike as well, but their nice all the same.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I do see your point. Only had one real ride on it so far due to much needed rain, so it's a bit early to get the upgrade bug. I have been very impressed with it's speed and comfort over broken city roads.Just need to buy some dry wax lube for the chain and it will be Bromptonia once more, in house Red frame color.
Hi, thanks for the excellent review. At 4.16, I don't understand how after the weight reduction modifications, the resulting weight (22.3lbs) is actually higher than the original P Line weight (around 21.2 lbs) ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you'd mentioned that the chainring is carbon. I believe that only the chain crank arms are carbon and the ring itself is alloy. Many have made the same claim that the whole front crank assembly is completely carbon.
Hi Doug, what saddle are you using right now? Are you uncomfortable once you start riding or does it start hurting over time? It takes me 3 to 6 months to adjust my saddle to where I am completely happy. It's not easy finding a saddle. If your having uncomfort riding right away, you can ask the Brompton Junction to help fit the saddle to you better.
@@doug2835 That saddle does look softer than the standard Brompton saddle. Also, the width of the saddle can have a big impact on comfort. I would suggest visiting any decent bike store that can offer you options and also let you sit on a few bike saddles to test them out.
Great review of the P Line. I have one on order now as i speak, for Jan 2023. Do those pedals come as standard? They look pretty cold to remove. You mentioned silver as the color. It is actually storm grey. I ordered a Black version to go with my sub 11kilo 6 speed Black Edition. I tweaked it to make it lighter! Now my wife uses it so I will use the P Line from January. Will be watching your great videos to see what you do. Have a great family day sir!
The pedals on the P Line are MKS Ezy Compact pedals. They are quite smooth and the quick release works well. The stock pedals were standard Brompton pedals. I always call the color names wrong. Thanks for the official name!
Hi! thanks for this great video! I got a p line myself as my first brompton and i"m not very fond of the small wheel on the mudguard, what is the name of the wheels you show at 00:55? where could I get them? Greetings from Brooklyn!
Congrats on the P-Line! That is not apart of the bike. It's the wheel on the bike stand. What don't you like about the small wheels? I don't role my bikes often.
@@BromptonFamilyTime thanks!! oh that makes sense, i thought you added them without adding a rack. I think the bike doesn't roll too well and it's a bit wobbly, specially if being pulled/pushed by the seat. I find it much more easy to maneuver unfolding the handle and using that to move it around. However I keep seeing references about how holding it by the seat while rolling it is the way to go. I think I'd need the rolling rack for that but I dont want to add more weight to it so I'm exploring the options.
@@oscarelloo The handle way is much better. I don't have much experience with rolling it. You can ask the reddit forum for suggestions. The people there seem to. know alot more about the small wheel systems available. Good luck!
The small mudguard wheel is really a bad design. The rear fender has very little clearance from the ground and can easily get scratched not to mention the wheel doesn't rotate too well either. There are many after-market replacement rear mudguard wheels but unfortunately they don't have the flat base that will keep the mudguard stays in place.
I don't think I have ever seen a custom Brompton in NY. Most are stock or just have a few basic parts changed. I would love to see more shops sell and install aftermarket parts.
The P Line comes with a standard BB. It works fine, but I personally would upgrade it. I noticed it is much smoother on my TiParts Japanenese BB (when you pedal backwards you can notice the difference). The crank arms are not going to be noticeable enough to change unless your looking to reduce weight.
What about the bumps on the roads? I have the P line, the titanium fork is a very cool natural shock absorber. I wonder how it compares with the carbon fork of the T line
THe T-Line is sportier and feels a little harder but not uncomfortable. I also have a carbon fiber seat and seatpost so my bike is a lot harder than the normal T-Line.
New to the channel...Ive been looking into Brompton for a couple of weeks now to get as a non electric second bike since I live in NYC too. The T line, ahhh IDK debating on that but the P line caught my interest more. Just wondering, the certain parts you added to the P-Line like the pedals, is there a certain website you get these parts from?
I buy from many places online, but you can check out redbeardbikes.com since they are in Brooklyn and are listed as a TiPartsWorkshop dealer and also a Brompton dealer. For general parts like MKS pedals, I really just search for the lowest price online. The P-Line is a great bike for NYC. The new gearing range is perfect for riding around and getting over the bridges for me.
I enjoy watching your videos from London Shu, here's something interesting for you. ( Folding Bikes Summit 06-18-2022 ) Check it out on YT, and I am sure it will give you pleasure. Keep you and the family safe out their riding.
Beautiful bikes, what is the height (rise) in mm of the original P line handlebar? I'd like to know that because I'm considering to switch it bike a titanium handlebar when I got the bike. Can you confirm this?
@@BromptonFamilyTime yes that's what I'm planning to do but I need to know the height/rise in mm of the original Brompton P Line handlebar, can you please provide me this? ☺️❤️
@@memo6x9 I don't have the P line here. Since all manufacturers make their stem differently, your better off asking the company that makes it since it will be different. My superlight has a titanium handlebar by TiParts Workshop. Most companies can answer right away too from my experience.
to me both P and T is not the same no matter how you modify P, it cannot be lighter than T.. because the T can still go much much lighter if you modify so it highly depends on how deep your pocket.... i seen ppl modify the T line to sub 5KG .. imagine that.. :D
@@BromptonFamilyTime Recently converted my Barbour (previously changed 50T into 40T H&H and recently to 40T Garbaruk) into a 3x3 9-Speed for hillier HK.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Unfortunately I hurt myself recently crashing the Brompton shortly after the mod, not been able to practice with it (I am fine now and when HK stops raining then I will ride again). I have ridden with my friends CHPT3 V1 with a double chainset (with a switch on the handlebar, no need to manual kick) which is 18 speed and is really really great going uphill.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I was wondering if it would fit in my B&W hard suitcase for travel, I don’t think so. This bums me out since I just got the invite to purchase one :(
Oh My!! This is the first time I've heard about this. Two inches thicker would make it so it won't fit in a suitcase for check-in baggage. Is there a way to confirm the overall width? This could be a deal breaker. @@BromptonFamilyTime
Both bikes are great. The biggest difference would be how often you have to carry it and plan on riding it. If it is just a weekend bike, then the C is excellent. If you are commuting with it and have to carry it often, then the P is a better choice.
Eheheh i just recently justified the 1500 usd brompton but i cant wrap my head around how expensive the p and t is ehehhe. Not to merion you have both 😅
Hi, Shu. We also have both T and P lines, but they are not similar. T Line is vastly superior. Besides the titanium frame, the carbon fork and carbon crankset, and even the carbon handlebars all make difference in terms of responsiveness and vibration dampening. I know you are trying to be nice, but P Line is no T Line :)
👩🏼🦲 Thanks for your thoughts. This video was just a summary on some features of the P-Line and what makes the T-Line $2000 more. I think it is definitely worth it.
@유튜브전도사 Indeed! P Line is just a by-product!! I had Both too (dis them both and sold them faster than the speed of light). All the best to all those who own them.
@@A-Wa You have a few options in material for the handlebar which are steel, aluminium, titanium, carbon fiber and carbon. Carbon has the least flex so you lose less flex when your pushing hard into your riding. If you choose titanium it will absorb more road bumps. There isn't a perfect material for everyone. You have to decide which one you want based on your ride preference. That said, these are small differences and any handlebar material is okay for most riders. It's the few mod riders that change parts looking for the final perfect material to match their ride style. The stock one is great and does not need to be changed.
I'll be getting my very first Brompton soon (perhaps a last generation six speed super light). I'm 5'6" with a 28 inch inseam. I think both low S and mid M handlebars will work. No chance to test ride; must buy blind. Any thoughts, advice, input from anyone? I notice our host generally rides the S over the M, but can comfortably drive both. Seems to be the same for his wife. Since I may be about the same size as our host, might I be in the same position?
I am 5'5" and prefer the S type handlebar. The M is nice, but it is not sporty enough. The S type handlebar helps you get more power into climbs since your sitting forward more. The M type makes your back straight so it is more comfortable for shorter rides. Shoko prefers the M type and she is around 5'2". With the M type there is less weight on the front wheel so it will feel more stable.
I'm 5'6" with a 29.5" inseam. I have an M6L in Raw Laquer, and like the medium handlebar height because it makes the bike much easier to ride in traffic while keeping my head up. If you're buying a performance bike and want to go fast, a tucked position is more aerodynamically efficient, but higher handle bars make the ride more comfortable. The fit for me is about as same as my Rivendell Sam Hillborne... comfortable and relaxing. I've ridden my Brompton in numerous countries around the world, from Australia to the UK to the US, in hilly and flat terrain, and have absolutely no regrets with my handlebar choice. I guess it depends... if you're buying a Brompton to race and you're flexible and in good shape, maybe the S handlebar. If you're buying a Brompton to tour and commute, might carry a backpack or messenger bag, then IMO the M is the way to go. I might be contrarian here but the Brompton really isn't a high performance road racing bike. It's a compromise bike, a decent riding bike that is compact and that you can travel with easily, by car, train, or plane. When I'm home with my other bikes I don't ride the Brompton. I could, but the other bikes are just more relaxing and enjoyable, but I can't put them in the overhead baggage compartment and ride around London or Helsinki with them.
I have the P-Line and I won’t put more money to get the T-Line. I prefer to upgrade my lovely P. And I love to follow you and your great advise.
I've noticed on all this YT videos how they mention capabilities, performances of bikes, hills vs flat roads, etc.. without ever considering fitness level
I own the P- line. I am 5"7, 170 lbs physically fit. I can go asphalt mountain riding on very steep grades without much of a struggle on lightest gear. The more I ride in my Brompton, the more I like if. It's a beauty.
That is very true. We all have different fitness levels. Going uphill is fun on the Brompton with the small wheels.
Great video Shu, thanks
Thanks a lot for the sharing. I am going to order my new P-Line!
Heavier bikes do stronger riders😊 Thank you for your videos.
Hey! I enjoy watching all your videos. I love it when you do comparisons. I was wondering if you could do a comparison between an old Superlight vs a P line. Thanks!
Imho there were also differences that T-line in folding joints had inserts that would wear, while P-line probably like lower classes, will need to use larger diameter axles to compensate worn wear, as one cannot fix worn material from frame.
There might be also limitations with aftermarket parts, which are compatible with which, due those changed folding joints. For example, i'm not sure generic aftermaket steering post will be compatible with T-line, and not all aftermarket vendors will make another variant for very small niche (due cost & production volume) of their products. One may argue though, that there is less need to upgrade/change on T-line, as stock parts are light enough. Tuning done, but "by factory".
👩🏼🦲 Thanks for your thoughts. The new design is much better on the T-Line, but I think for most riders, they will never wear out the frame over the pin.
In any case case the warranty which Brompton offer and the fact that they, and they will repair and change necessary parts is exclusive to the concept of this bike.
One of the reasons I would never ask a third party bike mechanic to fix my ‘’Beamer’’ nor my ‘’Brommy’’.
Thanks 😳 Great video
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thanks for sharing,
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Thanks for watching!
Great video as ever, but I still prefer my original 6spd Super Light - I think the gearing will make up for the weight for anyone relatively fit :) I might get some of the wheels from the P-Line though to put on it though!
The 6 speed range is a great bike for all types of riding!
Thx for the great video! Of all the Brompton line-up, which one is the best all-around / versatile IYO?
I would say the P Line is the best all around bike. The T Line is twice as much so most people would stay away from it.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Do you think the 4-spd is superior to the sturmy? And would you ever get a single-speed T-Line? Thx
I use the gears on my two speed superlight all the time. I think one gear would not be enough. I did ride fixed gear for two years but the wheel size made up for the one gear.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Would you recommend going for the P-Line over the C-Line? I'm able to get a second hand C-Line for a decent deal but the P-Line would be full-price
I would get a C Line if the price was right and didn't need to carry the bike often.
Your spec are fucking cool! I'm going to subscribe just because of them!
My 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, with mudguards, is presently down to 9,35 kilo and still with ways to make it even lighter (Carbon handlebar + minor parts which I hope will give 0,35 - 0,50 kilo?). And as a 6"+ , 100 kilo man I may find ways to reduce our combined weight!
I have longboards too....after watching this I need to get a rack for them.😅😅
There are a few electric boards too! I wish I had better balance lol
I also bought the same grips from Brooks and the plastic material feels much harder than the Ergon ergonomic grips. The Brooks grips look nice but I prefer the Ergon grips more.
👩🏼🦲Ergons are probably the most comfortable. I like the ESE silicone grips just as much so far, but the ergons do offer more stability with the palm swell.
I use Ergon Moss Green with my Brompton Barbour.
hey I also bought the Brooks grips, and I too think that they are a bit too hard. Which ergons do you use? As far as I know the gp1 dont work with bromptons. Was thinking about getting the ga3. I guess they are softer but may have less space for the palm.
@@sinpuls Ergon GP3
@@BromptonFamilyTime I think for your family trip, your silicone grips are the perfect choice. The Brooks or Ergon grips are much heavier than the stock one.
Hi great video
What’s the bike stand that u are using?
I'm not sure. It belongs to a friend that is into fixed gear bikes.
Hi, really cool video thanks. I'm going to buy a P line urban Brompton next year, would you say the four speeds are enough and make for a comfortable ride please?
It depends on the rider. You should definitely test out the different gearing if you have a Brompton Dealer near you. Each bike is build different. I think the P Line is great for the city riding.
What kind of bike stand do you use? I'm looking for one to store my Brompton in my garage. Greetings
Hi Shu, Can you tell me where you bought the Garmin computer mount?
That can be found on Aliexpress. I don't think it cost much either.
Not Brompton related but I dig your eyeglasses. Where did you get those?
I love them! I have two pairs with prescriptions. I think they go on sale every so often for 10-15% off.ombraz.com/products/dolomite-ombraz-armless-sunglasses?gclid=Cj0KCQjw_7KXBhCoARIsAPdPTfhYChnMyL7yG39574ETZmsCzmS7RbL4nzp91Tg3ysaD-bSUF28eX3kaAmhcEALw_wcB
Where did you get those read wheels from? Do they work well? The stock solo wheel isn't that great tbh
The T Line has Speed Mini Cycle wheels I bought directly from them. I love them. They look great.
I really want an E-Scooter but I am afraid to have them in an apartment because of the fires caused by the batteries - so I am looking into The P line Brompton as an alternative way to get around NYC but they are so expensive - do you know anything about those E-Batteries as far as safety?
I would stay away from Electric battery scooters and bikes personally. I have seen many apartments banning all of them including CE approved ones. You could always add an electric kit to the P line later. The P Line is a great bike for all of the city riding.
Just curious where you get the mudguard giant wheels set for the T and P line.
with the giant wheels, when partially folded, does the bike stand steadily? I do not feel like adding a rear rack to stabilise it, so this can be a good option ?
The giant wheels are a part of the stand. If you want larger roller wheels you can get some from fantastic4toys.com
@@BromptonFamilyTime thanks for your prompt reply!
Can I ask the brand name of the roller wheel accessory that you added to the BACK mudguard and the eazy wheels. They looks strong and practical. Thanks! Your video are all great
They are the standard rear wheels. The big wheels you see are actually a part of the stand (not on the Brompton).
@@BromptonFamilyTime Thanks! How about the eazy wheel?
The are the same on the P and T Line. They are much bigger than the older models.
Thanks so much for this video! I noticed you have the M-type / mid-bar on your P-Line, though the S-type / low-bar on your T-Line - which of these do you prefer please? Or do you prefer both for different use cases? Thanks!
The S Type is much more sporty and requires both hands to be constantly on the handlebar. The M Type is more for leisure since you are more upright. The M Type you can right with one hand since the weight balance of the bike is more towards the rear. I prefer the S type simply because I can go faster (more aerodynamic position and more leg power when climbing). I do plan on getting an electric kit for the M type which will make it better.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Thank you for your reply - that’s super helpful 🙏
in p line mod intro, the attachment for garmin mount: do you need to add grease or loctite on the screw before attaching together?
I always add grease to the stem bolt. It is prone to rust since it is exposed on top.
I feel the P and T are trying to ape a road bike. Just got a standard C line 2 speed with a 54 chain ring and it's plenty fast enough to occupy the middle ground between my rain day city bike and racer. Will upgrade the rear gear mech at some point but that will be it. Light enough to carry and will do all my dry day work commutes and a little bit more, and I prefer not to fold it. The P and T are a little more expensive than my road bike as well, but their nice all the same.
The Brompton makes the perfect "other bike". It will never be as fast as a road bike. I love upgrading mine.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I do see your point. Only had one real ride on it so far due to much needed rain, so it's a bit early to get the upgrade bug. I have been very impressed with it's speed and comfort over broken city roads.Just need to buy some dry wax lube for the chain and it will be Bromptonia once more, in house Red frame color.
Do they both come with the rear easy wheels?
Both models come with the rear easy wheel on the mudguard since they don't come with racks.
My folding 16 inch 305 wheel bike weights unbelievably the same as your Brompton T line with aluminum and carbon fiber components no kidding.
Hi, thanks for the excellent review. At 4.16, I don't understand how after the weight reduction modifications, the resulting weight (22.3lbs) is actually higher than the original P Line weight (around 21.2 lbs) ?
👩🏼🦲Hi Alexandros, I meant to say .5 lbs heavier. The current saddle weighs alot and he is looking for a lighter weight option. Thanks for the catch!
@@BromptonFamilyTime Do you remember the actual weight on a stock P-Line? Is the weight on the site accurate or is it weighed without the pedals?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you'd mentioned that the chainring is carbon. I believe that only the chain crank arms are carbon and the ring itself is alloy.
Many have made the same claim that the whole front crank assembly is completely carbon.
The Crank Arms are carbon. The spider is an alloy I believe. The chainring is Carbon fiber. The chainring bolts are aluminum.
*Easy to setup and maintain.*
I'm having trouble finding a saddle that works for my skinny body, any thoughts on the ergon saddle?
Hi Doug, what saddle are you using right now? Are you uncomfortable once you start riding or does it start hurting over time? It takes me 3 to 6 months to adjust my saddle to where I am completely happy. It's not easy finding a saddle. If your having uncomfort riding right away, you can ask the Brompton Junction to help fit the saddle to you better.
@@BromptonFamilyTime it’s a selle royale respiro and it hurts over time. I think it’s too soft.
@@doug2835 That saddle does look softer than the standard Brompton saddle. Also, the width of the saddle can have a big impact on comfort. I would suggest visiting any decent bike store that can offer you options and also let you sit on a few bike saddles to test them out.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I think your right about going to a bike shop before I end up spending more on saddles then the bike.
Great review of the P Line. I have one on order now as i speak, for Jan 2023. Do those pedals come as standard? They look pretty cold to remove.
You mentioned silver as the color. It is actually storm grey. I ordered a Black version to go with my sub 11kilo 6 speed Black Edition. I tweaked it to make it lighter! Now my wife uses it so I will use the P Line from January. Will be watching your great videos to see what you do.
Have a great family day sir!
The pedals on the P Line are MKS Ezy Compact pedals. They are quite smooth and the quick release works well. The stock pedals were standard Brompton pedals. I always call the color names wrong. Thanks for the official name!
Hi! thanks for this great video! I got a p line myself as my first brompton and i"m not very fond of the small wheel on the mudguard, what is the name of the wheels you show at 00:55? where could I get them? Greetings from Brooklyn!
Congrats on the P-Line! That is not apart of the bike. It's the wheel on the bike stand. What don't you like about the small wheels? I don't role my bikes often.
@@BromptonFamilyTime thanks!! oh that makes sense, i thought you added them without adding a rack.
I think the bike doesn't roll too well and it's a bit wobbly, specially if being pulled/pushed by the seat.
I find it much more easy to maneuver unfolding the handle and using that to move it around. However I keep seeing references about how holding it by the seat while rolling it is the way to go. I think I'd need the rolling rack for that but I dont want to add more weight to it so I'm exploring the options.
@@oscarelloo The handle way is much better. I don't have much experience with rolling it. You can ask the reddit forum for suggestions. The people there seem to. know alot more about the small wheel systems available. Good luck!
The small mudguard wheel is really a bad design. The rear fender has very little clearance from the ground and can easily get scratched not to mention the wheel doesn't rotate too well either. There are many after-market replacement rear mudguard wheels but unfortunately they don't have the flat base that will keep the mudguard stays in place.
I wish they would open the customs shop again. I want a full titanium H6L
I don't think I have ever seen a custom Brompton in NY. Most are stock or just have a few basic parts changed. I would love to see more shops sell and install aftermarket parts.
Like your channel! what is the difference on the crankset when riding? Do you recommend upgrading the p line's bb and crankarms?
The P Line comes with a standard BB. It works fine, but I personally would upgrade it. I noticed it is much smoother on my TiParts Japanenese BB (when you pedal backwards you can notice the difference). The crank arms are not going to be noticeable enough to change unless your looking to reduce weight.
Hi I am bit lost on ti part bb models would you recommend one in particular ?
What about the bumps on the roads? I have the P line, the titanium fork is a very cool natural shock absorber. I wonder how it compares with the carbon fork of the T line
THe T-Line is sportier and feels a little harder but not uncomfortable. I also have a carbon fiber seat and seatpost so my bike is a lot harder than the normal T-Line.
New to the channel...Ive been looking into Brompton for a couple of weeks now to get as a non electric second bike since I live in NYC too. The T line, ahhh IDK debating on that but the P line caught my interest more. Just wondering, the certain parts you added to the P-Line like the pedals, is there a certain website you get these parts from?
I buy from many places online, but you can check out redbeardbikes.com since they are in Brooklyn and are listed as a TiPartsWorkshop dealer and also a Brompton dealer. For general parts like MKS pedals, I really just search for the lowest price online. The P-Line is a great bike for NYC. The new gearing range is perfect for riding around and getting over the bridges for me.
I enjoy watching your videos from London Shu, here's something interesting for you. ( Folding Bikes Summit 06-18-2022 ) Check it out on YT, and I am sure it will give you pleasure. Keep you and the family safe out their riding.
Cool, thanks! I'll check it out 👍
Beautiful bikes, what is the height (rise) in mm of the original P line handlebar? I'd like to know that because I'm considering to switch it bike a titanium handlebar when I got the bike. Can you confirm this?
Are you going to switch a mid rise p handlebar to a titanium mid rise p handlebar? I'm not sure what measurement you are asking for.
@@BromptonFamilyTime yes that's what I'm planning to do but I need to know the height/rise in mm of the original Brompton P Line handlebar, can you please provide me this? ☺️❤️
@@memo6x9 I don't have the P line here. Since all manufacturers make their stem differently, your better off asking the company that makes it since it will be different. My superlight has a titanium handlebar by TiParts Workshop. Most companies can answer right away too from my experience.
Do you also sell the bikes? Or know where I can buy a T-line bike?
In the US you can buy them direct from Brompton. They stay in stock for a few days and then sell out. you have to be fast!
If we want to buy the T-line now, where can we find it?
You need to sign up and wait until they have it in stock in your area. New York gets them in stock regularly.
to me both P and T is not the same
no matter how you modify P, it cannot be lighter than T.. because the T can still go much much lighter if you modify
so it highly depends on how deep your pocket....
i seen ppl modify the T line to sub 5KG .. imagine that.. :D
I've seen some nice T lines too. I don't think lighter weight is the end goal for everyone.
@@BromptonFamilyTime well....
I can't get a T line
Else that's my objective ha ha ha ha
Just got the sake of the lightest lol
Hmmmm. I’ll stick to my M6R. 😊
👩🏼🦲 M6R is a great all around bike 👍
@@BromptonFamilyTime Recently converted my Barbour (previously changed 50T into 40T H&H and recently to 40T Garbaruk) into a 3x3 9-Speed for hillier HK.
@@wingcreator Wow that sounds like a nice setup.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Unfortunately I hurt myself recently crashing the Brompton shortly after the mod, not been able to practice with it (I am fine now and when HK stops raining then I will ride again). I have ridden with my friends CHPT3 V1 with a double chainset (with a switch on the handlebar, no need to manual kick) which is 18 speed and is really really great going uphill.
what about the fold size, according to the Brompton site the t-line is about 2 inches thicker when folded.
That makes sense since the tubing diameter is greater than the steel versions. I haven't really noticed a difference when carrying it.
@@BromptonFamilyTime I was wondering if it would fit in my B&W hard suitcase for travel, I don’t think so. This bums me out since I just got the invite to purchase one :(
Oh My!! This is the first time I've heard about this. Two inches thicker would make it so it won't fit in a suitcase for check-in baggage. Is there a way to confirm the overall width? This could be a deal breaker.
@@BromptonFamilyTime
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i am stuck between C line or P line. which to get? 🤣
Both bikes are great. The biggest difference would be how often you have to carry it and plan on riding it. If it is just a weekend bike, then the C is excellent. If you are commuting with it and have to carry it often, then the P is a better choice.
@@BromptonFamilyTime thanks for your comments. I’ll go check them out!
If rich enough to afford it maybe then I’d buy a new car ;)
Cars cost a lot more to maintain in New York. I save money by commuting to work by my Brompton.
Eheheh i just recently justified the 1500 usd brompton but i cant wrap my head around how expensive the p and t is ehehhe. Not to merion you have both 😅
The regular steel Bromptons are geat. Don't think it's not a great bike because of the material.
You accidentally mentioned the P Line colour is Silver. It's actually Storm Grey. :)
Thanks for the letting me know the official name. STORM GREY METALLIC
Hi, Shu. We also have both T and P lines, but they are not similar. T Line is vastly superior. Besides the titanium frame, the carbon fork and carbon crankset, and even the carbon handlebars all make difference in terms of responsiveness and vibration dampening. I know you are trying to be nice, but P Line is no T Line :)
👩🏼🦲 Thanks for your thoughts. This video was just a summary on some features of the P-Line and what makes the T-Line $2000 more. I think it is definitely worth it.
@유튜브전도사 Indeed! P Line is just a by-product!!
I had Both too (dis them both and sold them faster than the speed of light). All the best to all those who own them.
Can you please explain how the carbon handlebars improves the experience? Im curious and plan to buy a Brompton
@@A-Wa You have a few options in material for the handlebar which are steel, aluminium, titanium, carbon fiber and carbon. Carbon has the least flex so you lose less flex when your pushing hard into your riding. If you choose titanium it will absorb more road bumps. There isn't a perfect material for everyone. You have to decide which one you want based on your ride preference. That said, these are small differences and any handlebar material is okay for most riders. It's the few mod riders that change parts looking for the final perfect material to match their ride style. The stock one is great and does not need to be changed.
@@BromptonFamilyTime thanks for the insight :) I will make some more researches because I dont like it too stiff (non flex) while riding
I'll be getting my very first Brompton soon (perhaps a last generation six speed super light). I'm 5'6" with a 28 inch inseam. I think both low S and mid M handlebars will work. No chance to test ride; must buy blind. Any thoughts, advice, input from anyone? I notice our host generally rides the S over the M, but can comfortably drive both. Seems to be the same for his wife. Since I may be about the same size as our host, might I be in the same position?
I am 5'5" and prefer the S type handlebar. The M is nice, but it is not sporty enough. The S type handlebar helps you get more power into climbs since your sitting forward more. The M type makes your back straight so it is more comfortable for shorter rides. Shoko prefers the M type and she is around 5'2". With the M type there is less weight on the front wheel so it will feel more stable.
@@BromptonFamilyTime Thanks for the reply.
I'm 5'6" with a 29.5" inseam. I have an M6L in Raw Laquer, and like the medium handlebar height because it makes the bike much easier to ride in traffic while keeping my head up. If you're buying a performance bike and want to go fast, a tucked position is more aerodynamically efficient, but higher handle bars make the ride more comfortable. The fit for me is about as same as my Rivendell Sam Hillborne... comfortable and relaxing. I've ridden my Brompton in numerous countries around the world, from Australia to the UK to the US, in hilly and flat terrain, and have absolutely no regrets with my handlebar choice.
I guess it depends... if you're buying a Brompton to race and you're flexible and in good shape, maybe the S handlebar. If you're buying a Brompton to tour and commute, might carry a backpack or messenger bag, then IMO the M is the way to go. I might be contrarian here but the Brompton really isn't a high performance road racing bike. It's a compromise bike, a decent riding bike that is compact and that you can travel with easily, by car, train, or plane. When I'm home with my other bikes I don't ride the Brompton. I could, but the other bikes are just more relaxing and enjoyable, but I can't put them in the overhead baggage compartment and ride around London or Helsinki with them.
What's the actual price comparison, please?
They just raised the prices on all the Bromptons in the US. It is better to check on their website for the models you are interested in.
your P Line is half a pound Heavier, after modifications.
Needs electric motor!!♿♿♿♿🗿🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯🏯
I do want one but they are either expensive or the preorder wait is long (swytch)